America's Hidden Factory Farms EXPOSED

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80 million animals are trapped in factory farms

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across California, and now there's a way to

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see what's been hidden.

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For the first time, you can explore every

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major factory farm in California.

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See where they are, how many animals they

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confine, the brands they supply, and the pollution

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they cause.

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This data comes from public records, open-source

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research, and on-the-ground investigations connecting the

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dots the industry wants to keep secret.

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Factory farming drives drought, disease, and destruction.

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But now, anyone can find out who's responsible.

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From Proposition 2 to Proposition 12, California has

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always led the fight to challenge factory farming.

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But it's hard to tackle a problem that

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you can't see clearly.

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And with Factory Farm Watch, we can finally

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see the truth and start changing it.

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Explore the map at factoryfarmwatch.org.

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We are so excited at Unshade TV to

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have two of DXC's leaders in this phase

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of DXC's development.

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They're known for protests.

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They're known for all sorts of things.

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Now, they are known for this new factory

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farm map that is extraordinary.

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It is a breakthrough.

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And it is showing, essentially, what's really happening

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behind the curtain.

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When you think of—and welcome, both of you—when

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you think of California, you think of beaches,

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you think of the tech industry, you think,

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of course, more than anything else, of Hollywood.

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Do you think of factory farms?

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But you're pointing out that this state is

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a massive animal agriculture complex.

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Elmira Tanner, lead organizer for DXC, take it

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away.

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What was the impetus behind this and what's

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the importance?

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Yeah, I think you're totally right, Jane.

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I don't think a lot of people think

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of California as having a ton of factory

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farms, partly because they're hidden in rural parts

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that are less populated.

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They're not in San Francisco and Los Angeles.

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And also because I think we have this

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sense that California is more of a progressive

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state with better animal welfare laws.

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And that is true to an extent.

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But doing this research, we see that actually

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there are well over 1,000 factory farms

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in the state.

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It is the number one dairy-producing state

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in the country.

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A lot of people might think that's Wisconsin,

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but no, it's actually California.

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And this project kind of came out of

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Measure J, really, in Sonoma County, which was

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an attempt to end factory farming in Sonoma

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County through a ballot measure.

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And while we were working on that campaign,

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we created a very bare-bones map of

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the factory farms in Sonoma County because we

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were repeatedly hearing from people in that community

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that, yeah, factory farming is bad, I don't

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like it, but we don't have it here

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in Sonoma County.

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So we made this kind of basic map,

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had it on the campaign websites, and showed

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people like, no, there are farms with hundreds

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of thousands of birds right down the street

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from you in some cases.

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And when, I think we all know Measure

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J did not pass, but that kind of

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led us to understand that a lot of

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people just don't know that this is a

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problem in their state.

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And after Measure J, we then embarked on

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the process of making this map statewide, but

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also including way more information about it that

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I think other maps, you know, there are

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other maps that exist, but this one has

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a lot of information about not just the

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specific farms, but also how ordinary people might

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relate to them in the grocery store.

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So you don't pick up an animal product

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package in a grocery store and see the

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farm, you see the brand name.

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And those brand names tend to have a

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lot of pretty images and, you know, I'll

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say just straight up lies or deceptions about

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how those animals are being treated.

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And now you can find that brand name

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and look at the map and then be

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like, oh, that looks like a giant warehouse.

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I didn't think that that's where this, you

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know, happy chicken was coming from.

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So that's just kind of the backstory of

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where this map came from and why we

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made it.

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And it's been a very long work in

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progress.

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Well, I know you, Matthew Zirbel, were very

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involved in the development of this.

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It's extraordinary.

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It really is.

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It blew my mind.

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And we're going to try to go to

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it live in a second.

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But here's you explaining some of the key

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aspects of this map.

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It starts off by showing all the facilities

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that we have listed that have for large

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mammals more than 500 and for birds, chickens

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and ducks more than 5000, just to make

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sure that we're showing just places that really

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are the largest, very clearly factory farms.

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And I think one of the clearest things

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is just when you take a look at

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where animals are, where the density is, zooming

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in on any facility, this one you can

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see by the number here has 16,000

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cows being used for milking.

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And there's a very common thing I hear

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when I talk to people that, you know,

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California's cows are really, you know, all of

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their animals are raised on pastures, is an

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easy idea to believe and very direct to

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dispel by looking here.

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This is where cows live their lives, is

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these rectangular little feedlots.

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Wow, it's so powerful.

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And I want to congratulate you for just

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the technical accomplishment.

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Let me ask you, how did you make

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this happen?

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What is the basis for it?

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It's amazing.

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I mean, you can zoom in and it's

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like the Google Maps, but focusing on these

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factory farms, busting these myths, but not with

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just words, with actual video of the facilities.

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Yeah, we have a long history of people

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who've done direct investigations of factory farms, trying

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to show everybody in California or the world

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just what conditions can be like in factory

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farms.

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And so there's quite a number of drone

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shots on the ground investigative footage that we've

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looped into the map.

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And that's a lot of what we've tried

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to highlight from here.

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But then also just compiling, adding in more

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data from government databases and from our own

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separate investigation to try and find as accurate

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as we can get numbers for each of

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the facilities, as well as what brands they

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sell to.

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So it's been a big effort from investigators,

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for volunteers, and from just work pulling in

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databases to compile and sort all of that

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information all together.

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So on a lot of the facilities, you

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can see very specific investigations that are linked

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just see the overall overview of the farms

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and you can look and they're the same

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from the outside.

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All the places that have been are generally,

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you know, most of the places that have

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been investigated versus places that don't yet have

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investigations.

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I'm going to do something a little risky

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here and go live to the actual map.

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I was playing around with it.

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It is so extraordinary.

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Everybody, you got to go to factoryfarmwatch.org,

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subscribe on the bottom, which is just putting

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in your email, and then you can go

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in deeper to look at this.

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Look at this.

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It's absolutely amazing.

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And I am not the tech whiz here.

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So we're going to let Matthew tell us

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a little bit more about how this works.

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There's all these filters on the left side.

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I assume you can see that these filters

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on the left side.

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Can you explain these filters?

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It says filter by brand, filter by facility

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type, filter by number of animals, filter by

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size ranking, build your own filter.

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I mean, it's extraordinary.

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And you can also filter by which factory

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farms had outbreaks of bird flu.

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Unbelievable.

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Just tell us a little bit more while

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we're looking at this live.

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Yeah, one of the most vital parts that

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people want to know is, you know, if

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they see something in the grocery store, where

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did that really come from?

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And so we have the majority of our

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facilities are linked up.

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We've been able to find some information about

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what processors they sell to.

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And then by looking further at that, we

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can see what brands, the actual brand name

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that shows up in the store, the companies

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behind those brands sell to.

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And it's often different ones.

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Places will, you know, they'll have some very

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agriculture or agriculture factory sounding name, but they'll

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have a very friendly human name as the

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name of the product.

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And it kind of, for most people, envisions

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one very small facility, you know, a couple

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chickens in a backyard.

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But you can see by filtering through, it's

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a set of factory farms.

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Well, I'm going to jump in and say

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I just put in Sonoma County, California, and

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it immediately jumped to that.

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and you can see literally you can get

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right down to the addresses of these facilities.

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So I'm going to just put in, for

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example, just for fun, Riverside, California.

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And there we go.

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Riverside.

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Now, let's see what happens when I put

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Boom.

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Wow.

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And there you see to the left, there's

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a whole bunch of dairy facilities and cattle

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facilities.

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Truly, truly extraordinary.

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A lot of people are asking, when is

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this going to come to other places?

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I'm going to remove that before I make

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a mistake because that was pretty, pretty, pretty

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good that I didn't mess it up there.

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But, you know, Elmira, people are wondering when

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is this coming to their state?

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I know that's a very common question.

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We've already gotten emails from people about different

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states and even different countries.

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And I'll be honest, this took a year.

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this, but it was an incredible amount of

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work to do a lot of the brand

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stuff is where a lot of the work

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came because that involved, in some cases, literally

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parking outside of a facility and following that

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truck sometimes for hours to see where the

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animals are going or where the milk is

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going because they don't disclose this publicly a

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lot of the time.

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And so that's, it's an enormous amount of

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work.

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And our vision is not that we just

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put this map out and then like, okay,

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we put the map out and that's great.

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It's actually almost just a step one because

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it is a launchpad for a lot of

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campaigning to happen.

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People using this map to find places to

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investigate in their facility, I'm sorry, in their

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vicinity and then also kind of adding more

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information and being able to show journalists and

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legislators look at the scale of the problem.

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with making the map, and of course, it's

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going to keep getting more stuff added to

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it, updated, et cetera.

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Now we're ready to start the campaign.

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We're a campaigning organization.

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So I don't, we have no, we have

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no plans.

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I know that's not the answer that people

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want to hear, but we do not have

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any plans of making this for any other

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state.

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Our work is very focused in California here.

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We think that this is the place to

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make the next big step forward in the

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fight against factory farming for animals.

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That being said, people like Matthew, who are

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the technical people behind this, are happy to

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talk to folks in their area to provide

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all the things we used to make maps

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in your state.

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And it is very state dependent in the

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sense of how difficult it is to get

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this information.

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My understanding is there are some states that

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make more information available than California.

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So then a lot of it becomes easier

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to do.

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Also states, like for example, the dairy and

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the beef industry are actually a lot more

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complicated to get your head around in terms

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of brand relationships and stuff than more vertically

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integrated industries like poultry industries.

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So it really depends on how much work

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it might be for your state.

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We don't have any concrete plans right now,

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but we're happy to help anybody do it.

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And we're not saying no, just not right

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now.

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Well, Nilofar wants to know, when's it coming

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to Texas?

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All right, Nilofar, email us, we'll tell you

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what to do.

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And by the way, Matthew's gonna pull on

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me.

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I have no idea how the back end

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of this thing works.

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Well, what's interesting is that you would think,

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okay, Texas, that's where all the factory farms

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are.

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No, California is the biggest dairy state.

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And you know, people don't believe it.

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In fact, I was talking to a very

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famous animal activist and he said, no, no,

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it's Vermont or Wisconsin.

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I said, no, double check.

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Let's listen to this and we'll talk about

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it on the other side.

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California voters have passed some of the, or

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the strongest animal welfare laws in the state.

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So Prop 2, Prop 12, but these never

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get enforced because they're unenforceable when animal cruelty

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is really built into the backbone of that

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entire system.

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It's going more into like what factory farming

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in California actually looks like.

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So we actually are the number one dairy

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producing state in the entire country, not Wisconsin

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or some of these other places, but we

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actually produce more dairy than any other state.

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And we have more dairy cows confined across

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factory farms than any other state.

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One of the reasons why I think this

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is so powerful is, yes, you're shattering the

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illusion that so many people have said, well,

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terrible things are happening around the world, but

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not in California.

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We've got Prop 2.

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We've got Prop 12.

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So everything's good.

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And if in fact it's not being enforced,

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then that just gives consumers a false sense

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of security and a feeling of freedom to

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go and buy animal products.

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Amira.

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Yeah, I think beyond Prop 2 and Prop

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12, I think the biggest issue with enforcement

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in California is California's general animal welfare laws.

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On the books, California has really strong animal

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welfare laws.

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And I think it's like Prop 2 and

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Prop 12 are these huge step forwards and

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also just the existing laws in California specifically

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that's under the Section 597.

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So 597B, for example, says it is a

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crime to cause unnecessary suffering to animals.

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And that is happening every day on these

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factory farms.

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But prosecutors have discretion.

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They don't have to prosecute.

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And we see time and time again when

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we report violations of these laws to sheriff's

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office, district attorney, attorney general, nothing is done

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other than maybe prosecuting the activists.

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And I think...

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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So I think that's one of the biggest

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issues here.

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It's this weird contradiction where I think it

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is true that California is on the forefront.

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We have the best animal welfare laws.

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And that just kind of goes to show

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like how much further we have to go

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because what we have is the best and

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it's nowhere near enough.

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And I really encourage people to look at

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597A and B, for example, and just see

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like, wow, like these are actually really strong

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laws.

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California does not have a livestock exemption like

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some other states does.

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And we need to hold our elected officials,

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for example, district attorneys and the attorney general

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accountable for actually enforcing these laws.

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And there's a very interesting law in this

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animal welfare statute.

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It's 597T that says that anybody who's confining

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an animal must provide them with adequate space

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to exercise.

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And I think in some of these instances,

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some of the things that we've documented, like

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the veal crates that are still being used

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in California, just not for veal.

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I don't know how anybody can make an

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argument that this is adequate space to exercise,

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especially when these animals who are babies are

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kept in these places for two to three

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months.

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And we've reported this and a lot of

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them actually are even smaller than what you're

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showing on the screen.

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This is actually like the luxurious version of

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what this looks like.

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Most of them or most of them in

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California do not have the extended bit where

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the animals can even leave the crate.

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And a lot of them, most of them

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don't have any bedding or straw.

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And we've reported this and we've gotten responses

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from the district attorney in the counties that

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we've reported this saying, well, it's industry standard,

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so it's not a violation of the law.

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And that is a complete misunderstanding of the

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law in California, because California has laws that

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don't require whether the things that are happening

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are industry standard or not.

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And so I think this is just a

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really interesting avenue and one of these campaigns

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that I think can launch from this map

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to address this issue in California, because it's

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happening to hundreds of thousands of baby cows

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every year in the state.

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I spent many, many weeks getting signatures for

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Prop 2 and for Prop 12.

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I actually threw a party for Prop 12

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that was quite the party, hundreds of people.

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And so it really devastates me personally to

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see that despite Prop 2 and Prop 12,

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these laws are not being enforced.

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And I have a question.

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Now, this I got from a public site.

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This is a British crate system or calf

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system, whatever you'd call it, a hutch.

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So this is from England.

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But let's go and just look at the

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details of Prop 12.

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This is a government website that says, basically,

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California regulators require veal calves, breeding pigs, egg

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-laying hens to be housed in systems that

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comply with specific standards for freedom of movement,

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cage-free design, and specific minimum floor space.

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These regulations also prohibit a farm owner or

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operator from knowingly confining these specific animals in

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a cruel manner, as well as prohibits a

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business owner or operator from knowingly engaging in

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the sale of these products from animals housed

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in a cruel manner.

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Now, there are hutches.

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You in this factory farm website that you've

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just launched, Factory Farm Watch, you can zoom

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in and see hundreds of thousands, possibly many

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thousands of these hutches here in California.

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What is the legal argument to question whether

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that is legal or not, Elmira?

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Yeah, so disclaimer, not a lawyer.

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But I think there's two things here.

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So people might be thinking, I thought this

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is illegal under Prop 12.

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But it's not illegal under Prop 12, in

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my understanding, because Prop 12, which I think

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this is the issue that people just don't

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know, Prop 12 only applies to baby cows

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being raised for veal.

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So it's very interesting that you can have

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the exact same critter.

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And if the cow in there is being

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raised for veal, it's illegal.

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And if the cow is being raised for

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beef, i.e. just killing them when they're

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older or to go back into the dairy

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industry, then it's not illegal under Prop 12.

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However, as I was mentioning earlier, Prop 2

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and 12 are these additions to pre-existing

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animal welfare laws in California.

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And there is a law that says, it's

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597T, no brackets or anything around that.

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People can look that up.

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Animals must be provided with adequate space to

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exercise.

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And I know you haven't shown an image

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of some of the crates that we have

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documented in California, but they are approximately 11

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square feet.

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And that's not 11 by 11.

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That is about two and a half feet

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by four and a half feet.

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Multiple instances of filming these calves where they're

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turning around.

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They cannot turn around without touching the edges

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of their crate.

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And they're in there for eight weeks at

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least.

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And I do not know how anybody can

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say that that is not a violation of

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597T.

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So, yeah, I don't think it's a violation

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of Prop 12 because Prop 12 doesn't cover

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those types of animals in the same way

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that Prop 12 doesn't provide space requirements for

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chickens raised for meat.

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It's only for egg laying heads.

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So it's just like Prop 12 is quite

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limited.

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And I think that is just something that

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a lot of people are unaware of.

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And on top of that, though, it's almost

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the whole thing is irrelevant because this is

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illegal.

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I think this law is being violated hundreds

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of thousands of times every year in California.

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Arguably, every single day for each of these

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calves is a different violation.

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And nobody so far is willing to enforce

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it.

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And I think that is something that should

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change and hopefully will change this year.

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Well, the meat industry took Prop 12 all

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the way up to the U.S. Supreme

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Court and the U.S. Supreme Court upheld

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Prop 12.

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Getting back to your issue that you feel

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that these crates, these what have been called

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veal crates but can be used as hutches

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for, let's say, dairy calves are illegal for

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00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:45,840
reasons other than Prop 12.

545
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,140
How about getting one of these animal rights

546
00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:50,000
law groups to challenge that in court?

547
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:54,650
Without specifics, I think we can say that

548
00:22:54,650 --> 00:22:56,350
that is something that is being discussed.

549
00:22:56,890 --> 00:22:58,150
Well, excellent.

550
00:22:58,390 --> 00:23:00,770
I think this is, again, if you're joining

551
00:23:00,770 --> 00:23:07,270
us, this is FactoryFarmWatch.org, this extraordinary new

552
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:10,370
map that is interactive.

553
00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:17,530
It basically provides a Google Map overview with

554
00:23:17,530 --> 00:23:22,390
details of every single factory farm in California.

555
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:25,850
And you can get as close as you

556
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:28,750
need to find the factory farms in your

557
00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:33,390
area or in some other area and get

558
00:23:33,390 --> 00:23:35,670
all sorts of information depending on the filters.

559
00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:37,450
And you can filter it by brand.

560
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:39,810
You can filter it by facility type.

561
00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:41,510
You can filter it by the number of

562
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:41,870
animals.

563
00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:44,290
And what I find fascinating is you can

564
00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:48,410
also filter it by have these farms suffered

565
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:51,310
avian flu and are they getting government payouts?

566
00:23:51,870 --> 00:23:55,810
Do we have investigative footage, the ranking of

567
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:55,910
it?

568
00:23:55,950 --> 00:23:57,550
You can build your own filter.

569
00:23:59,150 --> 00:24:02,970
Matthew, how do you envision this being used

570
00:24:02,970 --> 00:24:06,110
by the general public since you were instrumental

571
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:07,550
in designing this?

572
00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:12,130
I know when I recently took a trip

573
00:24:12,130 --> 00:24:15,930
out through some parts of California, I was

574
00:24:15,930 --> 00:24:16,670
looking up.

575
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:20,270
Every time as you look left or right,

576
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:23,630
sometimes you can see multiple facilities at the

577
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:24,270
same time.

578
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:28,290
And being able to use it to spot

579
00:24:28,290 --> 00:24:31,970
my location and say, oh, this facility right

580
00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:34,550
next to me, I can actually see online

581
00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:37,190
that they have 10,000 cows in there.

582
00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:39,830
Does not look like a facility large enough

583
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:42,150
to have 10,000 cows or this place

584
00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:44,210
has 200,000 chickens.

585
00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:46,470
And I can also see that they sell

586
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:48,070
to this brand and that brand.

587
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:50,990
That's one of the ways that I find

588
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:52,090
very interesting to use it.

589
00:24:52,750 --> 00:24:56,410
For everybody just in normal conversation, though, to

590
00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:59,430
be informed for themselves and to be able

591
00:24:59,430 --> 00:25:01,990
to show other people that they're talking to,

592
00:25:02,650 --> 00:25:03,750
I think is very good.

593
00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:06,810
And then also, of course, talking for legislation.

594
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:12,730
Our hope is that legislation eventually can bridge

595
00:25:12,730 --> 00:25:14,710
some of the gaps, the issues that we're

596
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:15,990
seeing from the map.

597
00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:19,470
All right, let's learn a little bit more

598
00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:20,750
about how this might be utilized.

599
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:22,630
It's the first time that any of this

600
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:25,470
data has been compiled into a single place

601
00:25:25,470 --> 00:25:28,190
that is accessible to anyone and everyone.

602
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:32,930
And this data was aggregated through multiple different

603
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:38,430
data sources, including public records, open source government

604
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:42,450
and environmental databases, manual Internet research, and even

605
00:25:42,450 --> 00:25:47,310
field investigations like following transport trucks and slaughter

606
00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:50,030
trucks to identify hidden supply chains.

607
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:54,370
And the end goal reiterating is just really

608
00:25:54,370 --> 00:25:56,390
to have us all get together and demand

609
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:59,130
change to end factory farming in California.

610
00:25:59,130 --> 00:26:02,930
So whether you're a policymaker pushing forth policies

611
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:05,810
to end factory farming in California or an

612
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:09,750
activist or just an everyday concerned citizen, we

613
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:11,870
really believe and hope that this is a

614
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:14,730
useful tool to join this fight with us.

615
00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:17,490
So people who see this, what would you

616
00:26:17,490 --> 00:26:18,530
suggest they do?

617
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:22,350
I know, Elmeri, you have this action kit.

618
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:23,650
Can you tell us more about that?

619
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:28,770
Yeah, so like you've said, the first step

620
00:26:28,770 --> 00:26:30,530
is just make sure you sign that letter,

621
00:26:30,670 --> 00:26:32,770
especially if you're in California, because it actually

622
00:26:32,770 --> 00:26:37,570
automatically sends an email to your specific assembly

623
00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:40,050
member in the state legislature, depending on what

624
00:26:40,050 --> 00:26:40,750
your zip code is.

625
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:44,010
And it kind of encourages the assembly member

626
00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:46,910
themselves, as well as the governor and the

627
00:26:46,910 --> 00:26:49,030
attorney general, Rob Bonta and the Speaker of

628
00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:50,570
the House and the Senate to look at

629
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:52,670
the map and gives them kind of like

630
00:26:52,670 --> 00:26:56,550
a menu of options of what they could

631
00:26:56,550 --> 00:27:00,290
do as policy to kind of tackle this

632
00:27:00,290 --> 00:27:00,690
industry.

633
00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:03,290
But then, you know, that's really easy to

634
00:27:03,290 --> 00:27:04,630
put in that information.

635
00:27:04,830 --> 00:27:06,310
Then there's a lot of other things that

636
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:09,010
people can do, including things online.

637
00:27:09,850 --> 00:27:13,330
Also, if you fill out this form, we'll

638
00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:15,310
mail you stickers that you can use and

639
00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:17,170
posters to put up to raise awareness.

640
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:19,810
And then also there is kind of some

641
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:22,730
online groups that are forming to do what

642
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:25,930
we call plant code tracking, which is like

643
00:27:25,930 --> 00:27:27,570
literally grocery store research.

644
00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:29,310
You go to a grocery store, you pick

645
00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:30,790
up a brand, you can see how it's

646
00:27:30,790 --> 00:27:32,970
being marketed, and then you take a photo

647
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:33,890
of the plant code.

648
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:35,690
And then from that, we can start to

649
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:38,850
that's like kind of how we link a

650
00:27:38,850 --> 00:27:42,690
slaughterhouse or link a processing plant to what

651
00:27:42,690 --> 00:27:44,870
is actually being sold in a store.

652
00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:46,190
So that's very helpful.

653
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:49,410
And then there's people doing protests to raise

654
00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:51,330
awareness, put pressure on companies.

655
00:27:52,210 --> 00:27:55,090
Just this morning, I'm sure for a lot

656
00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:56,830
of people probably watching this are in L

657
00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:58,110
.A. since that's where you are.

658
00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:02,010
Jane, the bougiest grocery store of them all,

659
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:04,070
Air One, which is like just a ridiculous

660
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:06,670
grocery store chain, had their big West Hollywood

661
00:28:06,670 --> 00:28:07,490
grand opening.

662
00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:09,730
And activists in L.A. have been asking

663
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,590
Air One if you're such a high end

664
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:13,310
grocery store, like why are you supplying from

665
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:13,950
factory farms?

666
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:16,090
And they, of course, haven't answered them yet.

667
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:18,190
And they disrupted their grand opening.

668
00:28:18,410 --> 00:28:20,070
And we know that they're supplying from factory

669
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:22,890
farms because you can go into an Air

670
00:28:22,890 --> 00:28:25,090
One and pick up a brand and then

671
00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:28,590
find, OK, what what farms are supplying this

672
00:28:28,590 --> 00:28:28,990
brand?

673
00:28:29,230 --> 00:28:29,950
And like, oh, wow.

674
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:32,530
Yeah, they're literally just like another farm that

675
00:28:32,530 --> 00:28:33,290
would sell at Walmart.

676
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:35,590
So there's like so many different things that

677
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:36,590
people are doing.

678
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:38,990
And there's a lot of different options depending

679
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:40,950
on, you know, if you're somebody who has

680
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:43,590
15 minutes a week or wants to really

681
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:44,890
get involved in organizing.

682
00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:47,310
But ultimately, our goal is to shift public

683
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:50,950
opinion in the state of California to get

684
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:54,330
enough people willing to vote for a policy

685
00:28:54,330 --> 00:28:58,490
or support something that would put a really

686
00:28:58,490 --> 00:29:00,470
big dent in this factory farming industry.

687
00:29:00,690 --> 00:29:03,690
For example, a moratorium where we don't allow

688
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:06,810
any new facilities to be built and no

689
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:09,550
expansion so that we can start to dismantle

690
00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:12,290
the ones that we have or funding for

691
00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:17,430
transitions to plant based agriculture or enforce like

692
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:19,870
actually putting pressure on the attorney general to

693
00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:23,270
enforce these laws, you know, something something like

694
00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:23,550
that.

695
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:26,010
And I think we do have, in a

696
00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:28,390
sense, the public on our side to a

697
00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:28,750
degree.

698
00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:30,630
I think most people do not like to

699
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:31,470
see animals suffer.

700
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,790
It's just not high enough, I think, up

701
00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:35,870
on that priority list because there are so

702
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:40,670
many pressing issues and showing people just how

703
00:29:40,670 --> 00:29:43,250
terrible the situation is and how urgent it

704
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:44,570
is, I think, is really important.

705
00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:48,170
We invite Air One on any time.

706
00:29:48,170 --> 00:29:49,970
We'd love to have you on or any

707
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:52,310
companies mentioned or any companies in this map.

708
00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:56,610
There's 1300 factory farms that are documented in

709
00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:57,050
this map.

710
00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:58,910
You know, what I find so interesting about

711
00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:02,370
direct action everywhere is you're always changing and

712
00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:02,630
growing.

713
00:30:02,830 --> 00:30:04,970
Some organizations do the same thing year after

714
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:05,310
year.

715
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:09,590
Obviously, you're best known for Open Rescue.

716
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:13,710
This is one of the most dramatic and

717
00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:19,770
highly publicized open rescues that have occurred on

718
00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:20,710
DXC's watch.

719
00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:24,850
This is Zoe Rosenberg rescuing four chickens from

720
00:30:24,850 --> 00:30:26,590
a slaughterhouse truck.

721
00:30:27,130 --> 00:30:30,630
This video went viral around the world because

722
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:39,450
she was arrested, prosecuted, convicted and ultimately just

723
00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:41,410
was released from house arrest.

724
00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:43,810
She also did some actual jail time.

725
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:47,550
So, you know, DXC keeps sort of mixing

726
00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:50,030
it up and doing one thing after the

727
00:30:50,030 --> 00:30:52,390
other, trying different things.

728
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:57,730
In the wake of this trial, actually, we

729
00:30:57,730 --> 00:31:01,810
at Unchained TV had a proposal and what

730
00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:08,810
we called for was cameras, live cameras that

731
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:14,070
are broadcast publicly in every factory farm and

732
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:17,190
slaughterhouse in California.

733
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:21,030
And the reason I said this was when

734
00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:23,830
it became clear that a lot of the

735
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:27,310
videotape that the defense in Zoe Rosenberg's trial

736
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:29,930
wanted to use, showing her motive for going

737
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:33,810
into the facility, was, well, take a look

738
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:36,650
at what's happening in the facilities that are

739
00:31:36,650 --> 00:31:38,650
raising these animals that are going to slaughter.

740
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:41,290
And that was not allowed by the judge

741
00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:42,110
to be shown.

742
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:44,810
And then just Googling it, I saw that

743
00:31:44,810 --> 00:31:47,910
Spain has slaughterhouse cameras required.

744
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:52,610
England has slaughterhouse cameras required.

745
00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:56,190
And I believe there's at least one or

746
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:58,430
two other countries, maybe Israel.

747
00:31:58,430 --> 00:32:05,650
But even though a California politician expressed interest

748
00:32:05,650 --> 00:32:07,810
in following that up, it never really went

749
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:08,410
anywhere.

750
00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:11,350
But I guess the idea is always sort

751
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:15,050
of poking holes in the system and trying

752
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:18,370
to separate the myth of the happy cows

753
00:32:18,370 --> 00:32:20,810
and the happy hens and the happy animals

754
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:24,790
grazing on the fields with the reality of

755
00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:27,230
factory farming in today's world.

756
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:29,610
And the fact that no matter what anybody

757
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:33,130
says, 99 percent of all animals, at least

758
00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:36,090
99 percent come from factory farms.

759
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:38,870
So, you know, big picture as the lead

760
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:39,530
organizer.

761
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:43,670
What does this latest attack say about your

762
00:32:43,670 --> 00:32:45,970
overall mission and strategy?

763
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:50,790
Yeah, I think you're right, Jane, that we

764
00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:51,850
change things up a lot.

765
00:32:51,910 --> 00:32:53,190
And that's like one of my favorite things

766
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:54,470
about Direct Action Everywhere.

767
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:57,070
Obviously, we have the same mission and we

768
00:32:57,070 --> 00:33:00,190
have our set of five values in terms

769
00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:03,530
of always being nonviolent in our approach and

770
00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:06,070
understanding that community is very important and those

771
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:06,630
sorts of things.

772
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:11,390
But within that, I feel very confident that

773
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:13,990
nobody should be super confident on what the

774
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:19,090
thing is that's going to be the next

775
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:23,050
big, I guess, leap forward in ending animal

776
00:33:23,050 --> 00:33:23,570
agriculture.

777
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:25,550
And I don't think it's going to be

778
00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:27,170
one thing like it's not going to be,

779
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:28,350
oh, there's no factory.

780
00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:29,630
There's tons of factory farms.

781
00:33:29,670 --> 00:33:30,570
And then tomorrow there's none.

782
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:32,030
Obviously, that's going to take a lot of

783
00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:34,210
incremental steps and a lot of time to

784
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:35,850
transform our food system.

785
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:38,150
But and a lot of different approaches and

786
00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:39,870
we don't know what's going to work.

787
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:41,130
And so we do try a lot of

788
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:45,030
different things with this ultimate theory of change

789
00:33:45,030 --> 00:33:49,110
and strategy of putting pressure on systems and

790
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:53,030
institutions to make more animal friendly policies.

791
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:57,890
And we are certainly not abandoning some of

792
00:33:57,890 --> 00:33:58,750
the other things that we do.

793
00:33:58,910 --> 00:34:02,050
Open rescue and investigations are and will continue

794
00:34:02,050 --> 00:34:04,850
to be a key part of our work.

795
00:34:05,230 --> 00:34:07,310
And I think work really well together with

796
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:10,409
this map, because the more investigations and rescues

797
00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:12,030
that we do like that can then be

798
00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:15,670
added to the map and continue to kind

799
00:34:15,670 --> 00:34:19,469
of show that this is not just one

800
00:34:19,469 --> 00:34:23,070
bad farm and it's not one bad worker.

801
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:27,050
This is just an inherent product of what

802
00:34:27,050 --> 00:34:29,389
happens when we treat animals like machines and

803
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:31,570
when we only look at them in terms

804
00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:34,610
of economic output, because then there is no

805
00:34:34,610 --> 00:34:37,210
motivation to provide them with any sort of

806
00:34:37,210 --> 00:34:39,770
level of veterinary care beyond what their bodies

807
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:41,889
are worth on the market and all of

808
00:34:41,889 --> 00:34:42,070
that.

809
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:44,750
So that's kind of where where I think

810
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:47,429
we we are in our strategy with this.

811
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:51,170
Well, I would personally like to see a

812
00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:52,050
road tour.

813
00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:55,170
So many environmentalists have not made the connection

814
00:34:55,170 --> 00:34:59,390
between animal agriculture and climate change because that

815
00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:02,410
information is suppressed by the mainstream media.

816
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:04,630
You know, look at the advertisers, big meat

817
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:06,070
and big pharma for the most part.

818
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:10,090
So the mainstream media is not talking about

819
00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:12,810
the impact of animal agriculture on the environment.

820
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:15,990
But obviously, water pollution would be one obvious.

821
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:18,430
If you've got more than two million cows

822
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:21,030
in California that are putting out cities worth

823
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:23,270
of manure, we all know cows produce more

824
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:24,630
manure than human beings.

825
00:35:25,110 --> 00:35:26,670
Where is all that manure going?

826
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:30,950
And so, Matthew, maybe you could address this,

827
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:33,150
getting this information.

828
00:35:33,350 --> 00:35:34,710
And the other thing I like about it

829
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:36,670
is it's not particularly graphic.

830
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:39,470
In other words, so many people don't show

831
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:40,490
me I don't want to see.

832
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:44,570
Well, you're showing maps, you're showing Google views.

833
00:35:45,210 --> 00:35:48,110
It's there may be some graphic footage somewhere

834
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:50,390
in there, but it's something that I think

835
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:55,450
anybody, particularly, let's say, an environmental organization that

836
00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:58,510
invites a bunch of people to a Zoom

837
00:35:58,510 --> 00:36:01,230
might be able to watch without saying, oh,

838
00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:02,610
I can't look at any of this.

839
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:05,110
Have you thought about doing that?

840
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:07,330
I personally am a member of several environmental

841
00:36:07,330 --> 00:36:09,950
groups to try to open the door.

842
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:13,110
Like when they have events, I'll say I'll

843
00:36:13,110 --> 00:36:15,410
provide the food and we'll go over there

844
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:16,890
with a whole bunch of vegan food so

845
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:20,870
that people can see, oh, wow, yeah, this

846
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:24,130
tastes OK, because you wouldn't believe what you

847
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:27,870
would how many environmentalists and members of environmental

848
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:30,750
groups are just chowing down on steak or

849
00:36:30,750 --> 00:36:34,450
meat, beef, chicken, whatever, and they'll serve it

850
00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:35,270
at their events.

851
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:39,950
So my feeling is, you know, join all

852
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:40,730
these groups.

853
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:42,230
And it is a lot of work.

854
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:44,670
But go in there with just literally carrying

855
00:36:44,670 --> 00:36:47,850
food, which we've done with several environmental groups.

856
00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:48,830
And you know what?

857
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:50,930
The response is often extremely positive.

858
00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:55,130
Similarly, have you thought of perhaps doing presentations

859
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:57,090
to environmental groups in California?

860
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,460
Yeah, we absolutely have.

861
00:37:00,460 --> 00:37:02,900
I think there's a growing consensus in environmental

862
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:07,580
groups that animals, you know, an increasing amount

863
00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:10,980
of understanding of animals being important to environmental

864
00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:11,480
groups.

865
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:15,480
And we have, you know, very publicly numbers

866
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160
on our website about how much how many

867
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,140
emissions each facility emits, as well as the

868
00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:24,120
total number of emissions.

869
00:37:24,860 --> 00:37:27,900
And it's been well attested both on our

870
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,820
website and outside that the dairy industry especially

871
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:36,960
makes up about half of California's methane emissions

872
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,620
or more than half.

873
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:43,620
And so, yeah, we're interested in doing more

874
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:44,720
outreach.

875
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,120
We've been talking with groups, trying to discuss,

876
00:37:49,260 --> 00:37:51,600
especially in the Central Valley, where people are

877
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640
very directly impacted by the water.

878
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,260
They can't drink the water there.

879
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,900
It's often just kind of taken for granted

880
00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,060
that, yeah, you have to go buy a

881
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:03,720
big jug of water routinely, or in some

882
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:05,640
places, the government is even paying for that

883
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,140
as well.

884
00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:11,280
Because the water is polluted, often by nitrates

885
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,720
that leach into the ground from animal manure

886
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,840
and from synthetic fertilizer as well.

887
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:20,980
But animal manure does tend to leach more

888
00:38:20,980 --> 00:38:22,760
nitrates into the ground, my understanding.

889
00:38:23,860 --> 00:38:26,340
And so reaching out to people who are

890
00:38:26,340 --> 00:38:29,680
worried directly for the impacts precisely to them,

891
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,860
as well as people who are concerned about

892
00:38:31,860 --> 00:38:34,180
the impacts on the environment as a whole,

893
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,320
is a big part of things that might

894
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,460
be part of upcoming strategy.

895
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:41,980
Well, I think this is incredible.

896
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,920
I want to thank you both for joining

897
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,280
us.

898
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,860
Final thoughts.

899
00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:48,180
Of course, they're not final, but final thoughts

900
00:38:48,180 --> 00:38:49,080
for this podcast.

901
00:38:50,180 --> 00:38:51,660
Matthew, we'll start with you.

902
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,920
It's great to be on.

903
00:38:58,060 --> 00:38:59,580
Great to be able to talk to people

904
00:38:59,580 --> 00:39:02,520
about the real size and scope of factory

905
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:02,820
farming.

906
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:05,400
And I really hope everybody is able to

907
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,800
use this, yes, with the tools and everything,

908
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:10,420
but also just directly in their life talking

909
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:13,140
to people that they know if they need

910
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:16,500
to let people know this is what factory

911
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:17,080
farming is.

912
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,080
This is the size of it.

913
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:19,480
This is what it looks like.

914
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,500
All right, Elmira.

915
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:26,360
Yeah, like what Matthew said, I think this

916
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,180
is a platform.

917
00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:29,760
It's not a final product.

918
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:31,540
So we want to keep adding to it.

919
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,900
People are out there documenting a facility near

920
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:37,580
them, then send us the footage and we'll

921
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:38,120
add it.

922
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:39,680
Or if you want to use it for

923
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,240
your campaign, a brand that you're really motivated

924
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,180
by, facilities by your house, places that have

925
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,400
that we're paying with our tax dollars to

926
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,360
bail out, even though they don't have to

927
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,220
make a single change to their operation.

928
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,320
They have avian flu.

929
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:56,220
They don't have to do anything.

930
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,420
But we give them millions of dollars, like

931
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:00,180
whatever it is that you're super motivated by.

932
00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:01,840
I think we can use this map or

933
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,740
a launch pad for campaigning.

934
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:06,100
And that's our goal with this is that

935
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,340
it kind of becomes this hub for a

936
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,760
lot of different things, regardless of what issue

937
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,280
that you're most motivated by.

938
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,100
And to sign the letter, if you haven't

939
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,220
already, so that a lot of politicians are

940
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:22,240
getting bombarded with these emails saying that they

941
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:23,940
need to do something about factory farming in

942
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:24,300
California.

943
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:27,080
Well, I'd like to say it's an extraordinary

944
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,740
technological achievement.

945
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Kudos to Matthew, Amira and the entire team

946
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,980
that developed this.

947
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,280
I personally think that other major animal rights

948
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,420
organizations should fund it so that it goes

949
00:40:39,420 --> 00:40:43,960
coast to coast and global, that every single

950
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,060
state has the power to do this.

951
00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:49,660
And I certainly hope that environmental groups get

952
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:52,640
the opportunity to see this because it takes,

953
00:40:53,020 --> 00:40:56,120
in a way, it's very emotional when you've

954
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,600
zoomed in on those feedlots.

955
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,900
It touched my heart.

956
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,040
But it's also cold hard facts they can't

957
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,600
argue with.

958
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:04,560
That's what I love about it.

959
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,660
It's take a look at this.

960
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,720
This is evidence.

961
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,400
This is a Google map.

962
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:11,040
Here's your myth.

963
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,120
Here's your fantasy.

964
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,380
Here's the reality.

965
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:16,120
And you decide.

966
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:18,420
So I really hope that there's a way

967
00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:24,060
to get this to environmental groups, conservation groups.

968
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,500
And just to sum it up, as Karen

969
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:28,400
says, bravo.

970
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,080
We'll leave it at that.

971
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:31,300
See you next time.

972
00:41:31,380 --> 00:41:32,760
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973
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