Day 1 of Chicken Rescue Trial

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Hello, I'm Jane Velez Mitchell.

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Welcome to our live gavel to gavel team

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coverage of the chicken rescue trial of Zoey

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Rosenberg.

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Today is day one.

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We are going to be following this trial

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from beginning to end with our panel of

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experts, attorneys, activists that you see here on

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the screen, including a reporter at the scene,

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bringing us the very latest.

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Now, Zoey Rosenberg is charged with one count

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of felony conspiracy and three misdemeanors.

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That includes two trespass and one vehicle tampering.

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She could go to jail for approximately five

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years.

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Here is the action for which she is

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charged.

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Now, normally in a regular world, it's the

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defense that tries to hide the evidence and

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the prosecution that tries to bring it in.

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But this is not an ordinary case because

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Zoey Rosenberg wants to put animal agriculture on

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trial.

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So DXC, direct action, every word, the animal

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rights group that she is a part of

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is pushing out this video and the prosecution

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is trying to keep it from coming in.

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That is an upside down world.

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Last I checked, you know, I want to

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go to Ellen Dent.

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She's an animal rescuer who, an animal activist

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who has, and you're going to have to

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unmute yourself, my dear, who has been a

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part of many of our trials and our

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coverage of previous trials similar in nature.

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Tell us about this upside down world.

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Why would that be that the prosecution tries

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to keep the evidence out and the defense

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wants to bring it in?

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I believe that the prosecution doesn't want people

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to see this.

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They don't want people to see this footage.

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Most people have no idea what happens, you

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know, to these animals that end up on

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their plates.

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And if they did see this footage, you

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know, of these, you know, sick chickens, missing

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feathers, some not even being able to stand

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up, then they, you know, would hopefully find

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empathy within their hearts not to consume their

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bodies.

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So I believe a hundred percent that the

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prosecution is trying to conceal the truth from

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the public.

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And that is exactly what Zoe Rosenberg is

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trying to do is bring the truth to

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the public and, you know, establish the right

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to rescue these poor individuals.

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Excellent point.

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We're going to go straight out to Johnny

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Johnny, you are there at the courthouse.

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Give us a sense of the mood.

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What's going on out there?

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Hi, Jane.

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Yes.

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Johnny here from Santa Rosa.

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Dozens of people here outside of the parking

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lot waiting for the press conference to begin.

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The mood is that of, you know, wild

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curiosity, eyes wide open, lots of people just

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interacting and talking.

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And where are you?

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How far is this from San Francisco?

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I would say this is about an hour

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and a half of 70 miles from San

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Francisco North.

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And so in the county of Sonoma, outside

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of the Superior Court here in Santa Rosa.

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How many DXC supporters are there?

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Yeah, DXC, which is a direct action everywhere

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animal rights organization, I would say we're looking

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at about 50 supporters as of right now,

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but they are pouring in from the parking

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lot from coming in from different parts of

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the country right now.

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So I'd say a little bit over 50.

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And you said there's going to be a

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news conference.

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What is that news conference?

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The news conference is to talk about what's

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happening here on the first day.

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From my understanding, they're going to be establishing

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some parameters for the case.

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No jury selection of any sort as of

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today.

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We're just waiting to hear what they have

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to say.

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All right.

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Well, listen, dig up some people out there

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and bring them on so that they can

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talk.

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I want to go to Tiffany Brunelli.

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You are a retired law enforcement investigator who's

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currently a member of DXC.

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And Tiffany, you were there when Zoe was

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arrested.

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She wasn't arrested the night of the incident.

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She was arrested several months later.

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So tell us about that.

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OK.

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We're not hearing you, my dear.

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So we're going to have to ask.

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Let me ask one of the attorneys.

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Shaka Smith, what do you make of the

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fact that this happened in June of 2023

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and then it was five months later on

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the very day that Wayne Chung, who was

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also a co-founder of DXC, was being

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sentenced on another case, that they came around

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and they arrested Zoe Rosenberg?

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I think you have a clear case of

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them trying to make an example of Zoe,

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just to really put down this sort of

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animal rights movement to make sure that they're

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able to kind of operate unfettered.

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And so that's what I make of it.

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Yeah, certainly it appears that they're trying to

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make an example out of Zoe Rosenberg.

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And I want to go to Justine Block,

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who is one of the attorneys that we

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have here today.

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What's really interesting, Justine, is that according to

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direct action everywhere, and I'm going to mute

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Johnny at the scene because it's getting busy

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over there.

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According to direct action everywhere, the total value

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of these chickens, even if they were healthy,

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would be a whopping $24, four chickens, approximately

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$6 each.

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How much do you think the government is

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spending on this prosecution?

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And what is your thought about the contrast

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between the value of the four chickens that

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she rescued, at best $24?

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They also argue these chickens were very sick

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so that their value would actually be zero.

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My thoughts are that the prosecution dropped the

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theft charge because of not wanting to get

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into probably the value of the chickens and

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are focusing on the trespass charge and the

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misdemeanors, trespass and felony conspiracy.

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As I understand, Wayne was convicted on the

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felony conspiracy charges, and they seem to be

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focused on this route of going toward a

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trespass.

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I do think that it's a waste of

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government resources to be enforcing these kinds of

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laws when there is so little recourse.

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We can see, as far as the timing

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you brought up, is that Zoe had taken

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evidence of animal cruelty to the authorities.

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She went above and beyond to document the

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concerns about the welfare and the well-being

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and health of the chickens on the farm,

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where she asked for investigations, went to the

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prosecutor's office.

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They shut the door in her face.

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She went to the sheriff, and it's all

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on video where she is trying again and

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again to get recourse and justice.

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The law enforcement system is failing those that

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care about the well-being of the animals.

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I think that's where the government resources should

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be going, is to put a system in

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place for recourse to investigate better animal cruelty

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concerns.

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Very interesting.

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Thank you.

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Now, what I'd like to do is play

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Zoe telling her side of the story.

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We don't know if she's going to testify,

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but here is Zoe talking to Unchained TV

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to kind of explain why she did what

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she did.

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My name is Zoe Rosenberg.

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I am an animal cruelty investigator and animal

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rescuer with the Grassroots Animal Rights Network, Direct

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Action Everywhere, and I'm the founder of Happy

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Hen Animal Sanctuary in San Luis Obispo, California.

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We just found another chicken on the floor

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of this farm who is in critical condition.

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She's collapsed on the ground.

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She's unable to stand up on her own.

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You can see the other chickens have kind

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of run away from me, and she can't

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even stand up.

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So we're going to get her out of

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here as well and get her the veterinary

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care that she needs so that she can

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survive instead of slowly dying of dehydration on

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the floor of this farm where she can't

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even stand up to reach the water.

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I'm currently facing one felony and misdemeanors and

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up to five and a half years in

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prison.

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I've been wearing an ankle monitor for over

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a year, and it's all because I rescued

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four criminally abused chickens.

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Their names are Poppy, Ivy, Aster, and Azalea.

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All right, Renee King-Stonen, you are a

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former cattle rancher.

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You ran and your husband ran a calf

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-cow operation out of Texas, sending animals off

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to slaughter.

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You had a moment of revelation, and now

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you run a farmed animal sanctuary for rescued

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factory farmed animals.

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What are your thoughts on this case?

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What's the big picture here?

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Thank you, Jane.

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The big picture for me is the definition

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of the cruelty.

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They are treating these chickens as objects, as

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things, and in my opinion, based on what

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we used to do as a cow-calf

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operation, the reason it was called a cow

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-calf operation is because the cows and the

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calves were treated as property.

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Until we can continue to push the narrative

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extremely across the aisle that these animals are

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not objects, they are not things, they are

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sentient beings with a heartbeat, with a right

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to live just like us, until we are

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able to change that narrative, we're going to

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continue to beat our head up against the

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same wall of the authorities, if you will,

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wanting to call these animals things, and so

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that we can prosecute, so that they can

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prosecute people like Zoe and Wayne and others

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because they are stealing property, which we all

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know that is absolutely preposterous that they're not

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property, but according to the authorities and definition,

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they're property, and we are committing crimes, and

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my big picture is we have to change

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that.

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The only way to change that is to

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keep pushing the narrative out like Zoe is

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willing to do to pretty much put her

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freedom on the line, and others in other

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organizations in the right to rescue.

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Excellent, thank you.

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Johnny's got somebody there.

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Johnny, take it away.

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Yes, outside press conference is starting in a

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couple of minutes here.

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We have Curtis Vullimar.

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He's here with us right now.

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Hey, Jane.

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What's happening there?

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So the briefing is about to begin.

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We've got a lot of people gathered out

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here, maybe 75-ish people, maybe 100 people

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that are gathered outside of the courthouse here

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in Santa Rosa, which is in Sonoma County,

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part of the Bay Area.

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Well, depends on who you ask.

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There's hot debates on what constitutes the Bay

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or not, but we're about 45 minutes to

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an hour north of San Francisco.

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This is the courthouse here in Santa Rosa.

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The briefing is about to begin.

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This is Zoe Rosenberg's chicken rescue trial, the

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first day of trial, and I was just

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informed that jury selection will not be today,

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probably won't be until Wednesday, maybe Thursday, knowing

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how slow everything here has moved just from

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past experience, but it sounds like today and

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tomorrow and maybe Wednesday will be more pre

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-trial motions arguing what sort of evidence will

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be allowed, arguing what sort of defenses will

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be allowed.

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I know that over the past month, month

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and a half, there have been some pre

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-trial hearings.

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The necessity defense is not going to be

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allowed, which is one of the main avenues

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that DXC has been trying to pursue.

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Unfortunately, that is not allowed.

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The necessity defense, again, is saying that you

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are allowed to potentially break a law if

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it prevented greater harm.

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What has happened in the past is they've

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said that this only applies to people, humans,

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and animals are not people in the eyes

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of the law or the court system, so

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the necessity defense has been shut down.

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Mistake of law is another one.

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This one's been used in the past, said,

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hey, yeah, maybe I did this thing, but

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I thought I was in the right, so

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that's mistake of law.

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The judge said that that is not allowed,

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but that it might be open, and he

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might allow it if certain evidence gets introduced

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through the trial that would then allow it.

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All of this stuff will probably be argued

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more in depth today along with what sort

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of evidence will be allowed.

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That was scheduled for two days, I heard,

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but knowing how this courthouse works here from

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being at Wayne's trial and other pre-trial

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hearings for other cases, I wouldn't be surprised

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if these pre-trial stuff took the whole

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damn week, and we don't see any jury

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selection until Monday.

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I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.

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I mean, some are saying this trial could

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go on for five weeks.

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Yeah, sure, easily.

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Wayne's thing lasted over a month.

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I don't remember exactly how long, but I

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think Wayne's trial lasted that long.

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And is there a sense amongst the people

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in community like, wow, four chickens valued at

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$24 in the best case scenario, but zero

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if they're too sick to be processed for

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food, something that's going to be maybe possibly

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debated at trial.

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I mean, there's got to be a lot

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of money being spent on this prosecution.

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Oh, yeah, easily.

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Tons of money being spent on this prosecution,

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and what you just said rings eerily similar

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to everything that happened in the Smithfield trial

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that took place in St. George, where it

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came out in court that the pigs were

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worth a few dollars, and all of this

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money was being spent, and the vet care

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was actually more than the pigs were worth.

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That being introduced was, I think, a key

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piece of evidence that allowed the jury to

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make a decision in finding them not guilty.

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We're unsure if that type of stuff is

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going to be allowed in here, and again,

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that'll probably be discussed this week.

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And will you tell Johnny it's time for

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him to turn the camera in the other

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direction and show us, so flip the camera

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and show us everything that's going on, and

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then when the news conference starts, get that

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camera as close as you can.

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Yeah, you turn it around.

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You know how to do that, and there

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you go.

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Get close, and no, don't be on selfie.

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Switch it out.

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It's great when you get a chance to

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see what's going on behind the camera.

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This is live television, and believe it or

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not, in the olden days when I started

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in TV, this would have cost millions of

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dollars, speaking of money, to have dozens of

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crews and a giant studio, and we've been

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able to put a studio into a computer

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and do this with cell phones, so it's

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really actually a marvel of modern technology.

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But I want to address some of the

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things Christina Koo, an attorney here in Los

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Angeles, that Curtis just brought up about the

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cost of this and also the battles over

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trying to keep the key evidence, the chickens

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and their condition, out of the case.

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Well, you know, I really want to put

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this in context if people haven't really seen

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it.

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I mean, this is a trial that is

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in big farm agricultural area of the state,

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and it's beyond just a trial.

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I mean, to me, it's obviously law enforcement,

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the politics, and everybody is working together against

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Zoe and against the issues that we are

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litigating over.

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I mean, you've seen and you've heard some

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of the issues that typically make no sense

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in the real world of litigation, suppressing information

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and facts and evidence, and normally, like you

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say, it's an upside down world.

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The defendant is usually painted as is criminal,

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and yet this is flipped around, and I

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don't know if the public, you know, feel

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confused about this, and they are prevented from

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seeing Zoe as someone who is a compassionate

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person and someone who's actually a good Samaritan,

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and there are laws on good Samaritan aspects

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in our society where they are protected civilly

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and in some states criminally for doing an

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act that is obviously going to save lives,

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and this includes up north in Sacramento area

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on rescuing dogs and animals and heated cars,

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and those exact reasonings are the same analysis

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that can be used here.

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They are being deprived of air, water, and

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they're exposed to unreasonable and dangerous heat, and

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all of this applies, so it's really just

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a big conflict here, and I really think

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it boils down to the whole animal agriculture

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up there has lobbied and has worked with

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the local authorities and government officials to make

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this trial a big example to everyone.

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You're looking at live images right now of

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the outside of the courthouse where Zoe Rosenberg

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is going to be put on trial.

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We have another wrinkle up until, well, I

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think it was last night or this morning,

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Zoe was hospitalized.

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She has suffered from lifelong diabetes, type 1

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diabetes, so that's diabetes that you don't develop

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from dietary.

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It's something that she's had, and she's been

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hospitalized for the longest time, and we learned

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that she's coming out of the hospital, but

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let's hear from her when she was inside

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the hospital just a week ago.

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I'm currently at the emergency room, and I

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just got told that I'm being admitted to

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the hospital.

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I don't know how long I'm going to

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be there, but this is because of complications

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from type 1 diabetes and gastroparesis.

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This is, you know, not the news I

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was hoping for because I'm preparing for trial,

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but, you know, if I have to do

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trial prep from a hospital bed, then that's

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what we'll do to continue fighting for justice

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for the animals.

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We're going to continue preparing to put our

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best foot forward in this trial.

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All right, well, what do you make of

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that?

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Gee, I'm going to go out to Shaka

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Smith.

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There was a question as to whether or

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not Zoe could even attend, and she was

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going to attend some of the pretrial motions

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from her hospital bed.

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I'm going to unmute you, sir.

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Can you unmute yourself?

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There you go.

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Luckily, we hear just moments ago that she's

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actually out of the hospital, and hopefully she's

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going to show up any second now.

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We're going to get her comments, but wow,

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that's interesting that they were willing to proceed

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with this trial with her in the hospital

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possibly watching the motions on the first day

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of trial from her hospital bed.

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Yeah, and I think, well, it's not really

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important that she be there for the pretrial

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motions.

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You know, that's going to be the judge

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and the attorneys.

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It is a big day regarding the pretrial

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motions about...

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Actually, we're in trial.

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This is day one of the trial.

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Yeah, but for these motions in terms of

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her not being there with the jury because

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the jury's not been selected.

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So we have these motions that are important

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in terms of what jury instructions that might

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be delivered, what evidence might be let in.

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So it's not really necessary that she's there

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for that part of it, but today's a

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big day.

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So I'm glad she's able to attend and

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show that this is important for her.

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When you say today's a big day, put

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this in historical perspective.

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Are we watching history in the making, Shaka?

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Absolutely.

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Right now, we're on that sort of animal

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rights cusp.

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I think Kristen Stilts, a Harvard law professor,

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had written an amicus brief about the whole

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thing about necessity and whether or not that

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should apply to animals as well.

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And she said, of course, it should apply

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to animals.

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So we're really looking at a point of

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law and a point in time where things

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are starting to shift.

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And so I think this case could be

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another sort of bellwether case where we can

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kind of maybe find a little bit more

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justice for the animals, but it's been hard.

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It's been difficult.

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One of our viewers, Lindsay Baker, who is

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also an Unshade TV host, says, brings a

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tear to my eyes to see Zoe Rosenberg

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going through so much, how desperate they are

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to silence her and all activists that expose

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them.

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So look at what's happening.

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This is live at the courthouse.

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And by the way, folks, we're the only

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ones who are bringing you this live coverage

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of the trial, gavel-to-gavel coverage.

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You see some other media there.

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I don't think they're live, though.

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And so thank you.

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Johnny, when this news conference starts, I want

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you to get as close as you can,

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even if you have to scrunch down on

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your knees, or get close to the speaker

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so you can, if you're close to the

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speaker, I'm sure we'll be able to hear

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them.

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But that's a pretty sizable crowd.

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What do you make of that?

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And I'll put that to Renee King-Sonnen.

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What do you make of this crowd?

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Well, I'll tell you.

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Seeing the right to rescue in bold red,

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just stretching all the way across the front

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of that courthouse is, I mean, this really

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brings a bold message.

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And it is so awesome that Unchained TV

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is streaming this live.

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And the message is clear, you know, that

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we should have the right to rescue these

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animals.

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The fact that the necessity defense has been

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pretty much canceled is, to me, an abomination.

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They're wanting to scratch that defense so that

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Zoe, her very core reason for why she

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did this and other activists like her, the

539
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480
reason they do that is because they are

540
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,820
so heartbroken at the way these animals are

541
00:25:26,820 --> 00:25:28,540
just suffering.

542
00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:31,760
They're just treated to die in their feces

543
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:32,400
and their urine.

544
00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:33,260
They can't walk.

545
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,700
We should have a right to rescue these

546
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:37,500
poor animals.

547
00:25:37,860 --> 00:25:41,220
And that bold sign, the signage, the fact

548
00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:43,940
that you're streaming this live should be across

549
00:25:43,940 --> 00:25:46,160
all news outlets everywhere.

550
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,600
And why isn't it?

551
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,220
Because it's not necessary.

552
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:51,260
That's why.

553
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,780
Because the powers that be are deeming chickens,

554
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,720
cows, ducks, goats, that they do not have

555
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,840
the right to be rescued.

556
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,100
That it's not a necessary defense.

557
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,280
How horrible that our humanity has come to

558
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,440
a place where we do not see them

559
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,140
as sentient.

560
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,700
I want to read a couple of things

561
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:15,280
from the California Poultry Federation.

562
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,440
Petaluma Poultry has long been a leader in

563
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,460
free-range and organic poultry, and they're known

564
00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:21,660
for taking great care of their birds.

565
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:24,620
This is a statement from the company saying,

566
00:26:24,700 --> 00:26:25,840
it's a leader in animal welfare.

567
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,800
We're dedicated to the highest standards of animal

568
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,620
care and give our birds space to roam,

569
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,660
access to the outdoors, enrichment that supports natural

570
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:35,220
behaviors, a healthy, balanced diet with no antibiotics

571
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:35,600
ever.

572
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:38,360
False claims about animal care standards are pushed

573
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,460
by an extreme group, DXC, with the ultimate

574
00:26:40,460 --> 00:26:43,720
goal of ending animal agriculture altogether and imposing

575
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,980
a radical agenda that would threaten the livelihoods

576
00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:48,000
of Sonoma County farmers and the food security

577
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,600
of millions of people who rely on animal

578
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,460
agriculture.

579
00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:55,700
We invite those companies, that company and any

580
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:59,000
company and any agency on any time, that's

581
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,120
what they have to say.

582
00:27:00,540 --> 00:27:04,140
Here is a footage released by direct action

583
00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:09,740
everywhere of Petaluma Poultry factory farms, and it's

584
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:15,300
Petaluma's slaughterhouse where she was doing the action

585
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,240
whereupon she took those four chickens.

586
00:27:18,620 --> 00:27:19,960
Ellen Dent, you want to weigh in?

587
00:27:20,180 --> 00:27:21,780
We've sort of given both sides of the

588
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:22,380
story here.

589
00:27:22,380 --> 00:27:26,000
I mean, you can't deny the facts.

590
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,840
The facts are that this footage was taken

591
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,580
at these farms and that you can see

592
00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:33,880
that these animals are suffering immensely.

593
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,440
You can see that many of them have

594
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,140
been bred to the point that they cannot

595
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:40,180
even stand up.

596
00:27:40,780 --> 00:27:42,080
Many of them look like they're dying.

597
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:46,760
I've seen footage of activists holding dead chickens

598
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,600
from this farm.

599
00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:52,340
So, I mean, everything about that statement is

600
00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:52,820
false.

601
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,540
You know, DXE is just trying to establish

602
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:59,660
the right to rescue these individuals who are

603
00:27:59,660 --> 00:28:01,320
suffering so immensely.

604
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,320
And as someone who's been outside of a

605
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,520
chicken slaughterhouse, when one of these trucks pulls

606
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,160
up, your face literally burns as you get

607
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,900
closer to the truck because they're covered in

608
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:12,620
so much ammonia.

609
00:28:13,540 --> 00:28:16,600
They've been raised in filth in most cases

610
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,520
for their whole lives.

611
00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,420
It is not this farm that they put

612
00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:22,580
on TV, as Zoe has said before.

613
00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:24,500
It's not these grassy fields.

614
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,600
It is these animals supposedly cage-free, but

615
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,680
they're in cage by each other's bodies.

616
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,680
So, they're actually contained.

617
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:36,980
And it's just heartbreaking to watch this footage.

618
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,800
And I believe the public has every right

619
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,480
to see this, and they should see this,

620
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,900
because by the time these animals get to

621
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,140
the store, they're ripped apart and put in

622
00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:48,040
these neat packages.

623
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,400
And it's just, it's not the truth that

624
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,040
they were raised in any humane way possible.

625
00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:02,560
Well, again, Purdue has a huge online pages

626
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,640
and pages talking about their animal welfare standards.

627
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,060
So, I invite people to check it out

628
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:09,660
for yourself.

629
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:15,560
This is just a little bit of the

630
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,380
writings about animal welfare that Purdue has.

631
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,620
We invite them on anytime.

632
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,500
You can go to corporate.purduefarms.com forward

633
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:27,060
slash responsibility forward slash animal dash care and

634
00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:28,020
check it out.

635
00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:30,240
So, that's one side of the story.

636
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:37,360
And then you have dxc's purdueabuse.com, which

637
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,460
has an eight page report that they say

638
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:43,540
documents severe animal cruelty inside these facilities.

639
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Now, we're not going to decide this today.

640
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:49,420
There's a trial underway that essentially the big

641
00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:51,840
question is, is it going to put animal

642
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,520
agriculture on trial or is it going to

643
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,920
put Zoe Rosenberg?

644
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,920
Zoe Rosenberg is on trial, but she's trying

645
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,360
to put animal agriculture on trial.

646
00:29:59,460 --> 00:30:00,180
Let's listen in.

647
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,080
In one generation and rescuing animals from abuse

648
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,540
and telling their stories is a really important

649
00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:10,560
part of how we make that happen, as

650
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,740
is going on trial and using these trials

651
00:30:13,740 --> 00:30:16,280
to bring even more attention to the plight

652
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,420
of non-human animals behind closed doors.

653
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:22,120
We have some printouts of the press release

654
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,080
for this trial, as well as an FAQ

655
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,820
about the case.

656
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120
So, if any press is interested in that,

657
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,780
you can come find me after hearing from

658
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:30,460
our speakers and I'll happily give it to

659
00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:30,640
you.

660
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:33,700
And we also emailed it out via email.

661
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:35,280
So, if you did not get the email

662
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520
and you would like to, then please also

663
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,960
see me so that I can add you

664
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,480
to our press list so you can get

665
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,020
that information going forward.

666
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,520
And now, I just want to introduce a

667
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,360
very incredible DXC activist and animal cruelty investigator

668
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,420
who is the felony defendant in this Purdue

669
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:54,540
rescue trial, Zoe Rosenberg.

670
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,680
Zoe is a UC Berkeley student, a lifelong

671
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560
animal advocate, and the founder of Happy Hen

672
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Animal Sanctuary, which has saved more than 1

673
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,060
,000 neglected or abused animals.

674
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,300
Zoe has worked with law enforcement to rescue

675
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,760
animals, but today she is facing a felony

676
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200
trial and potentially years in jail because she

677
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,400
took action to rescue suffering animals when Sonoma

678
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880
County law enforcement failed to act.

679
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:25,240
So, here's Zoe to tell you what happened

680
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,120
in her own words.

681
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Thank you all so much for taking time

682
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,720
out of your lives to be here today.

683
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,020
I just got out of the hospital and

684
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:43,160
one of my biggest fears throughout my hospital

685
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,600
stay was that I wouldn't be able to

686
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,380
be here with all of you because while

687
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:48,500
the next few weeks will be some of

688
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,780
the most important weeks of my life, they

689
00:31:50,780 --> 00:31:53,420
are also important for a much, much bigger

690
00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:53,860
reason.

691
00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:57,200
Less than a 30-minute drive from here,

692
00:31:57,620 --> 00:32:01,100
nestled between a Starbucks and a subway, lies

693
00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:04,120
Purdue's Petaluma Poultry Slaughterhouse.

694
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:07,480
The cumulative sum of suffering that has been

695
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,640
felt in this one single place is too

696
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,300
overwhelming to even attempt to fathom.

697
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:20,520
They confine, neglect, maim, and boil baby birds

698
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,240
en masse.

699
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,020
Nearly every single day, more than 40,000

700
00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:29,960
chickens face unimaginable and often criminal mistreatment.

701
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Repeated attempts to report this facility's misconduct have

702
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,320
proved futile.

703
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:40,240
After seeing law enforcement's failure to act, I

704
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,620
took action into my own hands, and on

705
00:32:43,620 --> 00:32:47,820
June 13, 2023, I entered Purdue's Petaluma Poultry

706
00:32:47,820 --> 00:32:48,400
Slaughterhouse.

707
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,480
A transport truck had just parked behind the

708
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,320
slaughterhouse fence.

709
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:56,840
On the bed of this truck sat dozens

710
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,020
of plastic crates.

711
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,320
Thousands of chickens had been loaded into these

712
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,520
cages like cargo, packed together so tightly that

713
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,500
they could barely stand or turn around.

714
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Each and every one of these chickens was

715
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,000
an individual with a personality, thoughts, and feelings.

716
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Each and every one of them had been

717
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,060
deprived of just about everything from the moment

718
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:24,500
that they had hatched.

719
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Soon, they would be deprived of the one

720
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400
thing that they had left, their lives.

721
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:35,210
I pulled open one of the crates.

722
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:36,630
They slide out like drawers.

723
00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:40,330
Over a dozen pairs of eyes peered around,

724
00:33:41,010 --> 00:33:42,250
startled by my intrusion.

725
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:46,230
There was one chicken who stood out from

726
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:46,710
the rest.

727
00:33:48,050 --> 00:33:49,650
She was small and pale.

728
00:33:50,390 --> 00:33:53,210
I lifted her from the cage, examining her.

729
00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:56,610
I placed her in a padded bucket so

730
00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:58,110
we would not draw attention as we left

731
00:33:58,110 --> 00:33:58,610
the facility.

732
00:33:59,570 --> 00:34:01,550
I closed that crate and I slid open

733
00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:01,830
another.

734
00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:05,050
I removed three more chickens who appeared to

735
00:34:05,050 --> 00:34:07,230
be sick and suffering, and I placed them

736
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:08,810
each in their own individual buckets.

737
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,760
I named these four chickens Poppy, Ivy, Aster,

738
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,620
and Azalea.

739
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,460
They were covered in scratches and bruises and

740
00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:20,219
small wounds.

741
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,460
They were infested with coccidia parasites.

742
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,739
Poppy had an injured toe and a respiratory

743
00:34:26,739 --> 00:34:27,400
infection.

744
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,880
She was choking on mucus.

745
00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:32,780
Aster had infected feet.

746
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,060
They were swollen and filled with pus.

747
00:34:40,659 --> 00:34:47,679
I asked the public to do something to

748
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,380
address the animal cruelty and neglect at Purdue's

749
00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:50,780
facilities.

750
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:55,210
The rescue of these four little chickens did

751
00:34:55,210 --> 00:34:59,450
finally spark law enforcement intervention, just not in

752
00:34:59,450 --> 00:35:00,150
the way I had hoped.

753
00:35:01,510 --> 00:35:05,070
Instead of investigating years of criminal animal cruelty,

754
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:07,550
they set off on a mission to gather

755
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:10,670
evidence on me and on what was perhaps

756
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:13,330
the first act of compassion to ever be

757
00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:16,150
carried out within the slaughterhouse's carefully constructed walls.

758
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:22,310
And so today, on September 15, 2025, I

759
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:24,550
will enter a courtroom to be tried on

760
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:27,090
felony and misdemeanor charges for this act of

761
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:27,430
rescue.

762
00:35:28,430 --> 00:35:31,790
If convicted, I face nearly half a decade

763
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:32,370
in jail.

764
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:36,770
I have spent the past over 600 days

765
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:39,370
being forced to wear an ankle monitor and

766
00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:41,690
adhere to other strict conditions in order to

767
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:44,090
remain out of custody while awaiting this trial.

768
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:48,470
In many ways, despite having never been convicted

769
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:50,610
of a crime, I have spent the past

770
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:52,690
nearly two years being treated as though I

771
00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:54,450
have already been found guilty.

772
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,760
Nevertheless, I will walk into trial today and

773
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,000
every day with my head held high.

774
00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:06,880
I refuse to accept that helping a few

775
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,800
baby birds makes me a criminal, let alone

776
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,980
a dangerous one.

777
00:36:11,580 --> 00:36:15,100
I refuse to accept that companies have the

778
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,720
right to torture and kill as they please.

779
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,480
And in this trial, I will not apologize.

780
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:25,040
To apologize would be to say that Poppy,

781
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:28,240
Ivy, Asher, and Azalea deserved the fates that

782
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,080
they were saved from.

783
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:31,700
It would be to say that they deserved

784
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:34,300
to shiver in a crate, covered in scrapes

785
00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:37,140
and bruises, as parasites consumed them from the

786
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:37,860
inside out.

787
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:40,540
It would be to say that they deserved

788
00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:42,120
suffering and death.

789
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:45,720
And so any utterance of an apology would

790
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:46,740
be a lie.

791
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,920
They deserve to be rescued and they deserve

792
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,720
the safe and happy lives that they now

793
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:55,420
live today.

794
00:36:57,350 --> 00:37:00,430
Of course, it is those safe and happy

795
00:37:00,430 --> 00:37:02,930
lives that they now enjoy that angers the

796
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:03,590
powers that be.

797
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:07,870
Every day that they survive is, intentionally or

798
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:09,730
not, an act of defiance.

799
00:37:10,810 --> 00:37:12,770
Every moment that they feel the sun on

800
00:37:12,770 --> 00:37:15,610
their backs, every breath of fresh air that

801
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:18,050
they inhale, and every piece of grass that

802
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:19,890
they swallow is an act of rebellion.

803
00:37:20,930 --> 00:37:23,770
It is an act that angers Purdue and

804
00:37:23,770 --> 00:37:26,990
Sonoma County law enforcement and every agency or

805
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:28,950
company that benefits from the status quo.

806
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:33,030
Even the FBI is frightened by their freedom.

807
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:36,250
They are frightened by what their freedom and,

808
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:39,230
more importantly, their stories represent.

809
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:44,030
Their stories are a reminder that every animal

810
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:45,690
who is suffering at the hands of animal

811
00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:49,850
agriculture is someone, someone with a life worth

812
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:50,150
living.

813
00:37:51,070 --> 00:37:53,210
Their stories are a reminder that it doesn't

814
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:55,630
have to be this way, that instead of

815
00:37:55,630 --> 00:37:59,110
treating animals with apathy, indifference, and even outright

816
00:37:59,110 --> 00:38:02,510
violence, we can instead treat them with compassion

817
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,150
and respect.

818
00:38:05,410 --> 00:38:07,070
And one of the things that I most

819
00:38:07,070 --> 00:38:09,290
wish to see come from this prosecution, from

820
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:12,150
this trial, is for the world to learn

821
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:14,250
the stories of the chickens who have escaped

822
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:17,690
the cruel realities at Purdue's Petaluma poultry facilities.

823
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,140
The stories of most animals who fall victim

824
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:25,880
to human supremacy have been or will be

825
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,740
lost in history, and so we must remember

826
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:29,900
the few who we can.

827
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,620
When I took Poppy, Ivy, Asher, and Azalea

828
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,940
into my arms, I wasn't just vowing to

829
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:38,560
care for them and protect them.

830
00:38:39,340 --> 00:38:41,460
I was also making a commitment to share

831
00:38:41,460 --> 00:38:44,820
their stories and, if needed, to represent them

832
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:45,720
in the court of law.

833
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:48,900
Of course, I wish that I was representing

834
00:38:48,900 --> 00:38:51,640
them in the context of Purdue being prosecuted

835
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,560
or sued, but it is what it is.

836
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:58,060
No matter what, the world needs to know

837
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:01,180
what they endured, how they survived, and who

838
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:01,740
they are.

839
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,660
The world needs to remember their names, and

840
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:08,720
the authorities desperately want them to be forgotten.

841
00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:13,950
As I stand here today, I do not

842
00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:14,830
know what lies ahead.

843
00:39:16,030 --> 00:39:18,250
I am just wrapping up as an undergraduate

844
00:39:18,250 --> 00:39:20,790
at UC Berkeley, and in many ways my

845
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:23,790
life is just beginning, but my future feels

846
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:24,770
incredibly uncertain.

847
00:39:25,870 --> 00:39:27,970
In a few weeks, I might be a

848
00:39:27,970 --> 00:39:28,770
convicted felon.

849
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:31,410
I might be on house arrest.

850
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:33,410
I might be in jail.

851
00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:36,350
I might be in jail being denied medical

852
00:39:36,350 --> 00:39:38,950
care that I need to survive, which is

853
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:41,330
now even more concerning, as in the last

854
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:43,450
couple of months my stomach has become partially

855
00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:45,770
paralyzed, which is why I now have a

856
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:48,370
feeding tube that runs from my nose into

857
00:39:48,370 --> 00:39:49,430
my small intestine.

858
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,460
I do not know what lies ahead, but

859
00:39:54,460 --> 00:39:55,520
there is one thing that I do know

860
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,200
for certain, and that is that for billions

861
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,140
of animals, their futures are set in stone

862
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:03,360
long before they are ever born.

863
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,060
They are sentenced to die before they even

864
00:40:07,060 --> 00:40:08,620
breathe their first breaths.

865
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,320
So what I am might be scary, but

866
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,140
the consequences of our inaction are much, much

867
00:40:17,140 --> 00:40:17,680
scarier.

868
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,180
For the animals, the cost of allowing the

869
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:23,740
world to continue as it is is simply

870
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:25,120
far too great.

871
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,800
I believe that the future of the animal

872
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,120
rights movement depends on how we handle moments

873
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,260
like this, and we must not hide.

874
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,880
We must not cower in fear.

875
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,800
We all have a part to play, and

876
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,920
we must show Sonoma County law enforcement, Purdue,

877
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,400
and the world that we will not be

878
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:45,960
silenced.

879
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,020
We will continue to take action for Poppy,

880
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,040
Ivy, Asher, and Azalea, and every animal whose

881
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480
cries for help have gone unanswered.

882
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,980
And if I do go to jail, if

883
00:40:58,980 --> 00:41:02,260
I lose this case and my freedom, please

884
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:03,560
try not to be discouraged.

885
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,940
This entire prosecution is just an industry stunt

886
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:12,320
meant to scare activists and fool the public

887
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,140
into believing that animal rescuers are dangerous criminals.

888
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:20,180
I am just one person, and no matter

889
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:22,360
what happens to me, hope will not be

890
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:22,720
lost.

891
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,220
Life will go on.

892
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:27,620
Dogs will wrestle in the park.

893
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:30,440
Bugs will crawl forth from their homes.

894
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:33,500
Yeasts will splash in ponds, and birds will

895
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:34,640
sing to the rising sun.

896
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:40,800
But also, chickens will scream as the life

897
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:41,960
is torn from their bodies.

898
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,960
Mother pigs will slam their heads against the

899
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,600
bars of their crates, desperate to protect their

900
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,420
babies from the men who come to mutilate

901
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:50,760
them.

902
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Cows will seize in pain as they are

903
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,740
electrocuted by metal rods.

904
00:41:57,620 --> 00:42:00,580
Life will go on, but so will violence.

905
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:03,580
And that is why I need all of

906
00:42:03,580 --> 00:42:05,700
you to promise me something.

907
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,980
Promise me that no matter what, you will

908
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:10,660
not give up.

909
00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:13,860
Promise me you'll take action.

910
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,620
Promise me you'll protest.

911
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:20,340
Promise me you'll rescue the victims of these

912
00:42:20,340 --> 00:42:21,260
violent industries.

913
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,520
Promise me, and more importantly, promise the animals

914
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,400
that you will fight like hell.

915
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,280
I know that regardless of the outcome of

916
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,060
this trial, the animal rights movement will continue

917
00:42:36,060 --> 00:42:36,500
forward.

918
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:39,540
It is that knowledge that gives me the

919
00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:41,980
courage to walk into this courtroom today.

920
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,680
It is that knowledge that gives me the

921
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,860
strength to face whatever the outcome of this

922
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:48,800
trial might be.

923
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,920
Let's do this.

924
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,440
Wow.

925
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,060
What a speech.

926
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:04,840
Extraordinary.

927
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:06,940
I want to do a round robin.

928
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,460
Justine Block, oh wait, hold on.

929
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,720
We've got some more people speaking.

930
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,860
Thank you all for being here.

931
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,940
My name is Lauren Gazzola, and I am

932
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:18,660
the Communications Director of the Animal Activist Legal

933
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:19,420
Defense Project.

934
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,280
Along with her local counsel, Kevin Little, our

935
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,680
clinic represents Zoe Rosenberg.

936
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,460
We appreciate the widespread interest in Ms. Rosenberg's

937
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,400
case, and thank you for covering this important

938
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,700
trial.

939
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:39,440
The Animal Activist Legal Defense Project is a

940
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,240
legal clinic at the University of Denver Sturm

941
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,640
College of Law in Colorado.

942
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:48,620
We do civil and criminal defense work for

943
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:50,580
animal rights activists around the country.

944
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:54,840
We have successfully litigated several animal rescue cases.

945
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,460
Ms. Rosenberg is represented by Chris Carraway, a

946
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:00,940
staff attorney with our project.

947
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:06,720
In 2023, Mr. Carraway secured a not guilty

948
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,800
verdict for another animal rescuer who was acquitted

949
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,060
of theft charges for rescuing a bird from

950
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:14,840
a slaughter truck in Merced, California.

951
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:19,740
Our clinic has also conducted interview surveys with

952
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:23,280
jurors in rescue cases, and our attorneys regularly

953
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,220
make academic contributions to the developing law around

954
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:27,820
open rescue.

955
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,720
Currently, we also represent animal rights activist Wayne

956
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,140
Chung in the appeal against conviction for participation

957
00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:39,540
in protests at Sonoma County factory farms.

958
00:44:40,020 --> 00:44:42,620
I encourage you to follow that case as

959
00:44:42,620 --> 00:44:45,120
well, as many of the issues overlap.

960
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Both cases present important legal and ethical questions.

961
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:52,700
We are proud to represent Ms. Rosenberg.

962
00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:57,480
Today, nearly two years after her arrest, she

963
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,220
will finally have her day in court.

964
00:45:00,100 --> 00:45:03,080
Now, please give your attention to Marae Holden,

965
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,140
an attorney who has been assisting our project

966
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:06,760
with the case.

967
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:15,820
Good morning.

968
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:17,960
Thank you all for being here today.

969
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,940
As Lauren mentioned, my name is Marae Holden,

970
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,120
I'm an animal rights attorney.

971
00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:28,520
From my perspective, the Sonoma County District Attorney's

972
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,860
prosecution of Zoe Rosenberg is a political prosecution.

973
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:36,220
It is a clear attempt to chill animal

974
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:39,460
rights activism in the Bay Area and to

975
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:41,440
chill the animal rights movement in general.

976
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Why else would the District Attorney elect to

977
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,940
charge Ms. Rosenberg with a ramped up felony

978
00:45:49,940 --> 00:45:54,060
conspiracy charge for allegedly committing low-level misdemeanors?

979
00:45:55,260 --> 00:45:58,780
Charging Ms. Rosenberg with that felony increases the

980
00:45:58,780 --> 00:46:02,360
maximum sentence that she faces to nearly five

981
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,540
years in jail, and it has also enabled

982
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:09,660
Sonoma County to force Ms. Rosenberg to wear

983
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:13,080
a GPS ankle monitor for over a year

984
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,960
and a half prior to her trial, despite

985
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,140
the fact that all of her charges are

986
00:46:19,140 --> 00:46:22,020
for non-violent crimes, and despite the fact

987
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:24,240
that she has not been convicted of any

988
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,240
crime at all.

989
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,740
And all of this simply because Ms. Rosenberg

990
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:34,280
rescued four chickens, Poppy, Ivy, Aster, and Azalea.

991
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,180
Those chickens were sick, neglected, and suffering at

992
00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:44,040
Petaluma Poultry, a company that is owned by

993
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,780
agro-giant Purdue Foods.

994
00:46:49,050 --> 00:46:51,470
And when an animal is being criminally mistreated

995
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:55,130
and the authorities refuse to do anything about

996
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:59,190
it, despite multiple reports of animal cruelty coming

997
00:46:59,190 --> 00:47:04,570
into law enforcement, why shouldn't common people have

998
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:06,270
the legal right to rescue those animals?

999
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:10,270
People have the right to rescue dogs who

1000
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:13,470
are trapped and suffering in hot cars when

1001
00:47:13,470 --> 00:47:15,010
law enforcement isn't coming to help.

1002
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:18,590
So why should a chicken who is trapped

1003
00:47:18,590 --> 00:47:21,730
and suffering inside of a crate be any

1004
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:22,070
different?

1005
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:27,350
I don't think any compassionate person, even someone

1006
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:30,310
who eats chickens, could come face to face

1007
00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:33,850
with those four chickens, sick and suffering in

1008
00:47:33,850 --> 00:47:36,110
their crates the way that they were, and

1009
00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:38,750
simply ignore them and just walk away without

1010
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:39,330
trying to help.

1011
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:45,530
I think our compassion, all of us, would

1012
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:47,810
drive us to help those chickens.

1013
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:50,450
And when our compassion drives us to help

1014
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:53,890
someone who is in need, providing that help

1015
00:47:53,890 --> 00:47:55,230
shouldn't be illegal.

1016
00:47:56,310 --> 00:47:58,510
When we do something that it is our

1017
00:47:58,510 --> 00:48:02,910
moral duty to do, including rescuing animals who

1018
00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:06,630
need our help, those actions should be legal.

1019
00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:13,090
And in several prior cases similar to this

1020
00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:15,750
one, involving the open rescue of animals by

1021
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:18,230
activists, jurors have agreed with this.

1022
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:22,990
They have acquitted animal rescuers who were prosecuted

1023
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:25,330
for helping animals in need when nobody else

1024
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:28,770
would, when law enforcement wouldn't come despite all

1025
00:48:28,770 --> 00:48:29,470
of the reports.

1026
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:33,010
So we hope for an acquittal in Ms.

1027
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:34,130
Rosenberg's case as well.

1028
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:39,810
Look, Ms. Rosenberg admits that she rescued the

1029
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:40,070
chickens.

1030
00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:43,350
So this case is not a whodunit.

1031
00:48:43,830 --> 00:48:44,970
It's a why-dunit.

1032
00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:48,990
The key question here is why Ms. Rosenberg

1033
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:51,750
rescued these chickens, why she did what she

1034
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:51,970
did.

1035
00:48:53,290 --> 00:48:55,750
And when Ms. Rosenberg's jury hears why she

1036
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:58,550
did it, we believe that they will understand

1037
00:48:58,550 --> 00:49:02,170
that this rescue was not a crime, because

1038
00:49:02,170 --> 00:49:03,690
compassion is not a crime.

1039
00:49:04,530 --> 00:49:05,270
Thank you.

1040
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:10,230
Wow.

1041
00:49:10,590 --> 00:49:11,150
Wow.

1042
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:14,930
Let's keep hearing what's going on.

1043
00:49:15,010 --> 00:49:17,130
Thank you so much to Zoe and Maree

1044
00:49:17,130 --> 00:49:17,810
for speaking.

1045
00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:20,630
And we are going to continue on.

1046
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:22,790
They are, Zoe and the legal team are

1047
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:24,870
going to get heading into court first to

1048
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:26,710
make sure that they're there on time.

1049
00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:29,370
We'll get some instructions before we head into

1050
00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:31,830
court, but first I want to move this

1051
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:34,770
podium and get a group photo and group

1052
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:36,970
video without it in the way of all

1053
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:38,790
the supporters who are gathered here today to

1054
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:40,230
support Zoe and the right to rescue.

1055
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:45,510
And it looks like there's media there, which

1056
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:48,130
is good because, you know, the reason we

1057
00:49:48,130 --> 00:49:50,790
started on Shane TV was because the media

1058
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:53,310
wasn't covering these stories, or at least not

1059
00:49:53,310 --> 00:49:55,890
covering them fairly, but it looks like there

1060
00:49:55,890 --> 00:49:57,730
is some media coverage there.

1061
00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:01,150
I think every news organization in America and

1062
00:50:01,150 --> 00:50:05,890
the world should be there, but we are

1063
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:07,070
the only ones live.

1064
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:07,910
You saw it.

1065
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:10,170
I want to do a round robin while,

1066
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:12,270
and Johnny Morrow's done a great job.

1067
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:13,090
Keep going, Johnny.

1068
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:14,490
We're going to show your video and then

1069
00:50:14,490 --> 00:50:16,670
get reaction from folks.

1070
00:50:17,850 --> 00:50:19,630
Let's start with Ellen Dent.

1071
00:50:19,830 --> 00:50:23,150
What's your reaction to what you saw and

1072
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:23,690
just heard?

1073
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:28,790
I am just completely, you know, taken aback

1074
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:31,750
and I'm inspired by Zoe's bravery.

1075
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:35,950
I had the extreme pleasure of meeting her

1076
00:50:35,950 --> 00:50:42,450
at AVA last year at the vegan summit

1077
00:50:42,450 --> 00:50:45,570
that they have every year in either D

1078
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:47,490
.C. or L.A. just to, you know,

1079
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:50,490
Animal Vegan Advocacy Summit, just so everybody knows

1080
00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:52,310
what that is, but I had the extreme

1081
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:53,250
pleasure of meeting her there.

1082
00:50:53,650 --> 00:50:55,110
She had the ankle monitor on.

1083
00:50:55,650 --> 00:50:57,550
She took it in complete stride.

1084
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:59,890
I thanked her for all that she was

1085
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:00,170
doing.

1086
00:51:00,830 --> 00:51:02,550
She said that this was her duty to

1087
00:51:02,550 --> 00:51:05,690
do this, you know, for these chickens, and,

1088
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:09,270
you know, I just am completely, like, you

1089
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:12,090
know, just emotional hearing her speak, knowing that

1090
00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:15,550
she is actually not just risking her freedom

1091
00:51:15,550 --> 00:51:19,030
but her life for saving, you know, these

1092
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:22,570
chickens, you know, Poppy, Ivy, Aster, and Azalea

1093
00:51:23,130 --> 00:51:24,270
are their names.

1094
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:25,510
They are individuals.

1095
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:28,990
Chickens do have personalities, as Zoe has explained.

1096
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:32,330
I have met chickens with different personalities as

1097
00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:33,590
well at sanctuaries.

1098
00:51:34,450 --> 00:51:36,790
Once these chickens are out of these situations,

1099
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:39,310
you really get to know them, and their

1100
00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:42,070
lives are just as important as ours, and

1101
00:51:42,070 --> 00:51:43,890
people need to know that, that they are

1102
00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:44,310
individuals.

1103
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:45,050
They do dream.

1104
00:51:45,150 --> 00:51:48,110
They do have their own, you know, likes

1105
00:51:48,110 --> 00:51:48,970
and dislikes.

1106
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:50,730
Some of them even hug people.

1107
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:52,410
They'll come and crawl into your lap.

1108
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:55,750
There's nothing more heartbreaking than having a chicken

1109
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:58,190
that's been saved off of these trucks come

1110
00:51:58,190 --> 00:52:01,750
and crawl in your lap, and you realize

1111
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:06,090
just how twisted our society is to think

1112
00:52:06,090 --> 00:52:08,030
that this is even acceptable to do to

1113
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:08,270
them.

1114
00:52:08,650 --> 00:52:09,450
Thank you, Ellen.

1115
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:11,550
Let's do a round-robin with the attorneys.

1116
00:52:12,410 --> 00:52:13,410
Let's start with Shako.

1117
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:17,410
Shako, if the jury could hear that, but

1118
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:21,450
that's the big if, will the jury hear

1119
00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:22,210
any of that?

1120
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:24,170
And you can unmute, sir.

1121
00:52:26,860 --> 00:52:27,340
Unmute.

1122
00:52:32,820 --> 00:52:33,540
Go ahead.

1123
00:52:34,220 --> 00:52:36,720
Yeah, I mean, it's certainly powerful, especially hearing

1124
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:37,420
that from Zoe.

1125
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,320
Of course, the health issue is underscoring the

1126
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,940
cruelty of the prosecution itself.

1127
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,720
Yeah, the jury can hear that, and that's

1128
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:44,700
what we're going to be arguing in court

1129
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:46,100
is getting those motions and what kind of

1130
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:48,360
jury instructions the jury can get.

1131
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,160
What can they get on the stake of

1132
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,480
law?

1133
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,720
How are they going to instruct the jury

1134
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,960
to look at the different issues?

1135
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,380
So I think it's going to be important,

1136
00:52:57,780 --> 00:53:01,560
those jury instructions, and certainly how her attorneys

1137
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,660
can convey to the jury her position.

1138
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:05,060
I think it might be very important for

1139
00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:05,680
her to testify.

1140
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,700
I think hearing from her directly would be

1141
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:08,060
important.

1142
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,300
Again, it's not a whodunit, but a whydunit,

1143
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,740
so I think her testifying would really be

1144
00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:14,600
helpful to hopefully get these charges acquitted.

1145
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,740
Justine, it was almost as if we heard

1146
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:21,320
the opening statement, and everybody settle down.

1147
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:22,580
Thank you, my dears.

1148
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,120
It was almost like we heard the opening

1149
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,060
statements.

1150
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:31,560
Really brilliant, actually.

1151
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:36,480
It's good to see Zoe in capable, very

1152
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,180
articulate hands with her legal defense team.

1153
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,900
They know what they're doing.

1154
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,540
Compassion should not be a crime.

1155
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,920
I hope they're successful in getting in the

1156
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,080
video footage that we saw as evidence so

1157
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,520
that the jury can see Zoe's intent in

1158
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,600
helping the injured, sick, suffering chickens.

1159
00:54:01,740 --> 00:54:04,240
You can see in the video, she pulled

1160
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:05,080
out each bin.

1161
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,160
She didn't just grab chickens and run off.

1162
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,520
She was checking to see the state of

1163
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,340
the chickens, and she removed and rescued the

1164
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:18,560
ones that were very sick.

1165
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:23,660
Let's just ask about the idea that the

1166
00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:27,580
defense is putting out the video of the

1167
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:29,740
incident that resulted in the charges.

1168
00:54:30,100 --> 00:54:31,780
That's an upside-down world.

1169
00:54:31,940 --> 00:54:34,360
Explain that a little, Justine, and speak up.

1170
00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:34,780
Thank you.

1171
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,500
Thankfully, the judge didn't allow the gag order

1172
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,620
so that she's allowed to put this out

1173
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:47,240
in the public realm.

1174
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:54,800
Generally, people want to believe that the farm

1175
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,040
animals are treated humanely.

1176
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:58,980
You saw the statement.

1177
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,900
You read the statement earlier that was issued

1178
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:03,380
by Purdue.

1179
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,540
You can see that the video counters what

1180
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:11,880
we want to believe as the humane treatment

1181
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:15,500
of the chickens and other animals at farms.

1182
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,260
It's difficult to watch.

1183
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,680
I think that it's good that it's out

1184
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:23,860
there.

1185
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,860
I did want to also say, he is

1186
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:32,280
so brave to risk not only her liberty,

1187
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:33,300
but her health.

1188
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:38,000
I want to go to Renee King Sonnen

1189
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,300
because, wow, that speech.

1190
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,260
We started today saying, be part of history,

1191
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,300
share out.

1192
00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:48,580
I urge everybody, share out, comment.

1193
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:53,340
I think that speech that Zoe gave, oh

1194
00:55:53,340 --> 00:55:55,400
my gosh, if she could have given that

1195
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,640
speech to the jury, but the question is,

1196
00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:01,880
will she be allowed to give that speech?

1197
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,020
What was your reaction to her speech, Renee?

1198
00:56:05,820 --> 00:56:07,720
Gosh, I was listening.

1199
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,100
One of the quotes that she said is,

1200
00:56:10,580 --> 00:56:13,160
life will go on, but so will the

1201
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:13,720
violence.

1202
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:17,200
That just sent shivers down my spine because

1203
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,960
that is exactly what's going on, is life

1204
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,320
and violence at the same time.

1205
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,500
The fact that we are allowing that kind

1206
00:56:27,500 --> 00:56:31,180
of violence on a mass in mass, like

1207
00:56:31,180 --> 00:56:34,980
she said, they're confined, they're neglected, they're boiled,

1208
00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:38,140
maimed in mass, I think is what she

1209
00:56:38,140 --> 00:56:38,540
said.

1210
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:43,020
When you get that in perspective, that these

1211
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:49,160
animals are being confined, boiled, neglected, maimed in

1212
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:49,680
mass.

1213
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:52,820
I remember when Ryuji and I were at

1214
00:56:52,820 --> 00:56:57,280
a big factory farm a few years ago,

1215
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,420
and we rescued Omen from one of those

1216
00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:01,520
big factory farms.

1217
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,340
I saw all of those cages lined up

1218
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:08,900
in that trailer, just thousands of chickens crammed

1219
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:09,240
in there.

1220
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,900
We were illegally inside of this factory.

1221
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:16,860
We were both crawling around underneath the big

1222
00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:20,080
trailer because there was one lone chicken that

1223
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,940
had somehow escaped, one lone chicken out of

1224
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:23,640
those thousands.

1225
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,000
We confiscated her.

1226
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,620
Her name was Omen.

1227
00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:30,820
We brought her to Rowdy Girl Sanctuary from

1228
00:57:30,820 --> 00:57:31,380
Arkansas.

1229
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,100
She was someone, and we told her story

1230
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:37,600
around the world because she made such a

1231
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,220
difference in our lives.

1232
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,400
We have chickens at Rowdy Girl that come

1233
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,320
from all sorts of neglect, and we give

1234
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,740
them the best of care.

1235
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,900
There is no reason why these chickens and

1236
00:57:51,900 --> 00:57:54,120
the chickens that are neglected and confined and

1237
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,100
maimed and boiled should not be getting the

1238
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:58,680
same standard of care.

1239
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,340
We should have a global standard of care

1240
00:58:03,340 --> 00:58:05,000
for all animals.

1241
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:08,880
We should not be distinguishing a food animal

1242
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,880
from a regular animal because who is to

1243
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,240
say that those animals are food except the

1244
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,700
people and the powers that be that want

1245
00:58:17,700 --> 00:58:21,220
to use their bodies for commodities for profit.

1246
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,280
How horrible of a system that we have.

1247
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:28,300
I want to again invite any company, Purdue,

1248
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,580
Petaluma Poultry, on anytime.

1249
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:33,640
We would love to dialogue with you.

1250
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,140
You've issued a statement in the past that

1251
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:39,380
you're a leader in animal welfare, dedicated to

1252
00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:41,740
the highest standards of animal care, give our

1253
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:43,660
birds space to roam, access to the outdoors,

1254
00:58:43,820 --> 00:58:46,220
enrichments that support natural behavior, and a healthy

1255
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:48,300
balanced diet with no antibiotics ever.

1256
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,400
You've said that DXC is an extreme group

1257
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,980
with the ultimate goal of ending animal agriculture

1258
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:57,920
altogether and imposing a radical agenda that would

1259
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,200
threaten the livelihoods of Sonoma County farmers and

1260
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,640
the food security of millions of people.

1261
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,020
So we invite you on anytime, but let

1262
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:07,140
me say this.

1263
00:59:10,020 --> 00:59:12,680
Really, I think it boils down to animal

1264
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,340
agriculture is on trial because there is no

1265
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:22,140
nice genteel way to produce, as a society,

1266
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,040
75 billion chickens.

1267
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:27,320
This is the number of land animals killed

1268
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,940
for meat in 2022, over 75 billion chickens.

1269
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:34,720
If you see this, the vast majority of

1270
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:35,960
animals eaten are chickens.

1271
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,620
So essentially this is an epic battle, Christina

1272
00:59:41,620 --> 00:59:44,540
Ku, over animal agriculture.

1273
00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:48,000
How much do consumers bear responsibility?

1274
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,200
All of this is online and both sides

1275
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,700
are online.

1276
00:59:54,060 --> 00:59:58,120
As we said, you can see everything that

1277
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Purdue has to say about its corporate animal

1278
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,400
responsibility online.

1279
01:00:02,860 --> 01:00:07,460
You can also go to purdueabuse.com and

1280
01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:08,700
read their eight-page report.

1281
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,360
Those are both sides of the story.

1282
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:11,360
Your thoughts, Christina?

1283
01:00:12,540 --> 01:00:16,720
I was actually part of a protest this

1284
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,720
weekend regarding these exact issues.

1285
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,060
I just want to leave some hopeful messages

1286
01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:24,280
to everyone watching.

1287
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,360
I approached a security person who was monitoring

1288
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,160
the protest.

1289
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,980
The security person said, I've watched your videos

1290
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:38,860
from DXC and you have a right to

1291
01:00:38,860 --> 01:00:39,320
be here.

1292
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,140
There are also folks around the protest who

1293
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:46,000
came by and they were shocked and appalled

1294
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,260
that the evidence that DXC has gathered is

1295
01:00:50,260 --> 01:00:53,640
contrary to what they were misled as a

1296
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,340
consumer at certain stores and the packaging and

1297
01:00:57,340 --> 01:00:59,200
what you showed up in your program, how

1298
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,180
the chickens are raised.

1299
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:03,780
So definitely I think the consumers will start

1300
01:01:03,780 --> 01:01:04,840
to make that connection.

1301
01:01:05,380 --> 01:01:07,640
What they're being told is not what some

1302
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,680
of the evidence that DXC shows.

1303
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:15,820
Furthermore, the security folks around the protest said,

1304
01:01:15,980 --> 01:01:19,140
we don't like certain poultry companies.

1305
01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:22,180
Are there ones that we should buy from?

1306
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:25,840
I think the response to that was, we

1307
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,900
don't support eating any sentient living being.

1308
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,420
So that train of thought really has to

1309
01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:34,120
start to evolve and change.

1310
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:36,720
It's not that I'll just eat someone else,

1311
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:39,160
but the fact that they get educated on

1312
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,060
what better and healthier plant-based foods that

1313
01:01:43,060 --> 01:01:44,060
they can eat instead.

1314
01:01:44,740 --> 01:01:47,300
So that's a switch of mind completely.

1315
01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:53,700
And I think for Zoe's speech, she's an

1316
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:54,800
incredible orator.

1317
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,920
And there's something that happens in court where

1318
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,220
once you, if you ring the bell, you

1319
01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:01,260
cannot unring it.

1320
01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:03,460
Meaning when she is, if she's up there

1321
01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:05,100
as a witness, she answers questions.

1322
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,680
And I believe that she will find a

1323
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,980
way to strategize and answer the best way

1324
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:10,520
she can.

1325
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,100
And including some aspects of her opening remarks

1326
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:15,940
here and her responses.

1327
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,720
So I feel she can do that and

1328
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,260
she'll be very effective, I hope.

1329
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Excellent points.

1330
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,680
You're raising the issue that the death charge

1331
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,520
was dropped.

1332
01:02:25,020 --> 01:02:25,260
Okay.

1333
01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:27,700
So getting back to the charges, if you're

1334
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:30,400
just joining us, Zoe Rosenberg faces about five

1335
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,400
years in prison, one count felony conspiracy, three

1336
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,240
misdemeanors, including trespass and vehicle tampering, but they

1337
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,780
dropped the death charge and the defense says,

1338
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,240
well, they did that so that to limit

1339
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,280
the discussion of the condition of the animals,

1340
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,760
which Zoe maintains was very, very sick, that

1341
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,180
they were the four chickens she rescued was

1342
01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:54,880
very sick, were very sick.

1343
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,320
And also to limit the footage, because a

1344
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,920
picture tells a thousand words.

1345
01:03:01,100 --> 01:03:02,960
So you can talk and talk and talk

1346
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,360
and talk about animal welfare standards, but some

1347
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,920
of the footage that DXC has released, which

1348
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,140
they say comes from inside these very farms

1349
01:03:11,140 --> 01:03:13,320
that are associated with the case for which

1350
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,180
she is being charged, show animals on the

1351
01:03:16,180 --> 01:03:17,540
ground, unable to turn around.

1352
01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:20,100
We've shown it before and we can show

1353
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:20,520
it again.

1354
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,200
But I want to go to Tiffany Brunelli.

1355
01:03:25,420 --> 01:03:29,000
You're a former, you are a retired law

1356
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,240
enforcement investigator who now works with DXC.

1357
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,140
You were actually there when Zoe was arrested,

1358
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:40,340
which was months after the June 2023 event

1359
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:42,280
where she went into the factory farm.

1360
01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:43,120
Tell us about that.

1361
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:50,060
Yes, it was right after Wayne Chung's sentencing

1362
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:52,260
hearing and she had spoke at the sentencing

1363
01:03:52,260 --> 01:03:55,000
hearing and she talked about this evidence that

1364
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,220
she had in this folder.

1365
01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:59,040
And we had a large march with many

1366
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,820
of the people that were at the news

1367
01:04:00,820 --> 01:04:03,300
conference over to the sheriff's office.

1368
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:05,980
And just out of the blue, it just

1369
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:10,220
seemed like out of nowhere, these officers descended

1370
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:13,100
on everyone and arrested Zoe.

1371
01:04:14,020 --> 01:04:16,860
And it was just so shocking because just

1372
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:20,380
peacefully marching and then they arrested two of

1373
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:24,480
the other animal rescuers or animal investigators.

1374
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,340
And it was just completely, it seemed like

1375
01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:32,880
they chose that specific time to arrest them

1376
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,280
to send out a message.

1377
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:37,880
There were so many different ways they could

1378
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,580
have or different times they could have arrested.

1379
01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:41,980
And my understanding was Zoe was actually carrying

1380
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:44,520
evidence or what she says is evidence of

1381
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,020
animal cruelty to hand into the sheriff's department.

1382
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,680
And when they first said Zoe Rosenberg, she

1383
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,000
thought, and it was possibly this gentleman here,

1384
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:55,100
this law enforcement officer, she thought he was

1385
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:57,760
coming to her to get the information.

1386
01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:02,720
She was still believing that they might've asked

1387
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,380
for information, but it turns out they were

1388
01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:08,140
calling her name in order to arrest her.

1389
01:05:10,570 --> 01:05:11,870
Yes, it was shocking.

1390
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:12,870
She said that too.

1391
01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:16,390
She thought, finally, they're taking our allegations seriously.

1392
01:05:16,530 --> 01:05:17,850
They're coming out here to meet me.

1393
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:19,450
We won't even have to go inside.

1394
01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:21,310
I'll just hand over the information now.

1395
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:23,710
And suddenly she's in handcuffs.

1396
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:26,330
It was just unbelievable.

1397
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:27,670
Just didn't even feel real.

1398
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:29,730
So I want to ask some of the

1399
01:05:29,730 --> 01:05:33,730
attorneys here, Shaka, what is your thought about

1400
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:36,590
the fact that she was originally charged with

1401
01:05:36,590 --> 01:05:40,250
something like seven felonies and they've kept reducing

1402
01:05:40,250 --> 01:05:42,050
the charges over time.

1403
01:05:42,330 --> 01:05:45,770
At first she was facing 20 years in

1404
01:05:45,770 --> 01:05:47,590
prison if convicted on all counts.

1405
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:50,950
Remember, DXC says even if these four chickens

1406
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:53,670
were healthy, they'd be worth approximately $24.

1407
01:05:54,090 --> 01:05:58,090
If you shoplifted four packages of chicken from

1408
01:05:58,090 --> 01:06:01,630
a supermarket, essentially you'd be stealing something worth

1409
01:06:01,630 --> 01:06:02,190
$24.

1410
01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:04,710
But they say they were not even worth

1411
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:06,190
that amount because they were very ill.

1412
01:06:06,290 --> 01:06:07,530
So they had zero value.

1413
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:11,710
And perhaps that's one reason that they dropped

1414
01:06:11,710 --> 01:06:13,670
the theft charge.

1415
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:16,530
But DXC says the reason is that they

1416
01:06:16,530 --> 01:06:19,610
didn't want to open the door to evidence

1417
01:06:19,610 --> 01:06:20,930
of animal cruelty, Shaka.

1418
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,320
Go ahead.

1419
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,860
I think they definitely dropped the theft charge

1420
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:37,360
as a result because they didn't want to

1421
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,840
have that go to the jury.

1422
01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:41,540
They didn't want to see the jury have

1423
01:06:41,540 --> 01:06:44,080
them argue over whether or not the value

1424
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,960
was zero or 24 versus what condition were

1425
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:48,580
the chickens in.

1426
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:50,460
Because now you get to see the condition

1427
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:52,740
of the chickens at why there was no

1428
01:06:52,740 --> 01:06:53,100
value.

1429
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,500
I think DXC even said that the rates

1430
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:59,420
of salmonella at this particular chicken farm was

1431
01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:02,560
even higher than the ones typical in the

1432
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:02,840
country.

1433
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:04,600
So I think they really want to keep

1434
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,700
out that evidence, also the evidence of them

1435
01:07:06,700 --> 01:07:09,860
squabbling over such a little amount and overcharging

1436
01:07:09,860 --> 01:07:10,280
Zoe.

1437
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,660
And so I think in that sense, you

1438
01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:14,540
see the prosecution really trying to limit the

1439
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:15,600
evidence that comes in here.

1440
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:16,840
Yeah.

1441
01:07:17,060 --> 01:07:20,260
And I'm not a scientist, I can't independently

1442
01:07:20,260 --> 01:07:21,300
confirm any of that.

1443
01:07:21,420 --> 01:07:23,120
This is the stuff that's going to be

1444
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,380
discussed at trial.

1445
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,780
But my question to, well, we've got the

1446
01:07:28,780 --> 01:07:30,920
other attorney here and you can jump in

1447
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,300
too, Shaka, is how far will she be

1448
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:33,820
able to go?

1449
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:38,360
Zoe Rosenberg gave an impassioned speech that was

1450
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,360
truly brilliant.

1451
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,840
I mean, I think it was historic, but

1452
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,040
will she be able to give that speech

1453
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:45,900
to the jury?

1454
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:47,620
How will that work?

1455
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,880
Will there be objection, Your Honor, when she

1456
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,600
starts saying, well, the chickens that I picked

1457
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,820
up and took, they were missing this, they

1458
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:57,920
had this, will they stop her at that

1459
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,320
moment?

1460
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,040
Shaka, you want to take that one again?

1461
01:08:03,650 --> 01:08:04,090
Yeah.

1462
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:06,270
So in terms of Zoe getting on the

1463
01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:08,610
stand and being able to actually say what

1464
01:08:08,610 --> 01:08:09,970
she said that we saw during the press

1465
01:08:09,970 --> 01:08:12,810
conference, that's going to be up to how

1466
01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:14,830
her attorneys are able to position her on

1467
01:08:14,830 --> 01:08:17,510
the stand, the questions that they're able to

1468
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:20,189
ask of her, and of course, what the

1469
01:08:20,189 --> 01:08:24,210
prosecution might open up on redirect.

1470
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:27,149
So it's going to depend on what strategy

1471
01:08:27,149 --> 01:08:28,310
they're going to use and how she's able

1472
01:08:28,310 --> 01:08:29,490
to convey that to the jury.

1473
01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:32,090
Hopefully we're going to see motions in limine.

1474
01:08:32,330 --> 01:08:34,149
Hopefully they won't limit any of that testimony.

1475
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:36,870
And so we'll find out today kind of

1476
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:39,229
what jury instructions and what limitations of that

1477
01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:41,090
testimony there might be.

1478
01:08:42,569 --> 01:08:44,010
Go ahead, Christina.

1479
01:08:44,250 --> 01:08:44,390
Yeah.

1480
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:45,649
And I just want to add that.

1481
01:08:45,689 --> 01:08:47,450
I mean, obviously, right, there are a lot

1482
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:50,910
of strategies between Zoe and her attorneys and

1483
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:53,050
how to craft the questions and where it

1484
01:08:53,050 --> 01:08:53,710
may go.

1485
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:56,910
And like the concept of where I've seen

1486
01:08:56,910 --> 01:09:00,850
it in courtrooms where witnesses will say something

1487
01:09:00,850 --> 01:09:02,630
and, oh, you weren't supposed to say that.

1488
01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:04,850
That was outside the realm of the question.

1489
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:09,170
And they will strike that from the record.

1490
01:09:09,790 --> 01:09:12,370
But that concept of once you ring a

1491
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:14,670
bell and people have heard it, a jury

1492
01:09:14,670 --> 01:09:19,210
heard that, they're instructed to not remember it.

1493
01:09:19,609 --> 01:09:22,630
And that is something that humans sometimes have

1494
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:23,370
a hard time doing.

1495
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:24,529
So that could happen.

1496
01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:27,569
Well, we've had an extraordinary day.

1497
01:09:27,729 --> 01:09:29,470
We're going to wrap up our coverage.

1498
01:09:29,689 --> 01:09:31,990
But I want to go back out to

1499
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:34,029
Johnny and find out what's happening there on

1500
01:09:34,029 --> 01:09:34,370
the scene.

1501
01:09:34,450 --> 01:09:35,850
I'm going to unmute you, Johnny.

1502
01:09:35,970 --> 01:09:36,950
Bring us up to date.

1503
01:09:37,630 --> 01:09:38,970
It's winding down.

1504
01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:42,850
A lot of the observers have slowly walked

1505
01:09:42,850 --> 01:09:46,590
away and the rest of the DXC activists

1506
01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:48,750
from around the country have ventured off inside

1507
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:51,390
of the courthouse to just kind of see

1508
01:09:51,390 --> 01:09:53,050
what the parameters are of the case.

1509
01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:56,470
Lots of optimism, lots of love being shared

1510
01:09:56,470 --> 01:10:00,690
from activists around the country, like I said,

1511
01:10:00,750 --> 01:10:01,850
and people that are just coming up.

1512
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:05,690
And lots of curiosity from the window above.

1513
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:08,790
There seems to be a waiting area up

1514
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:12,050
on top where defendants and other cases in

1515
01:10:12,050 --> 01:10:13,870
the courthouse are kind of waiting.

1516
01:10:14,090 --> 01:10:15,390
So you can see them peering through the

1517
01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:18,930
window down and looking to see what the

1518
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:19,910
fiasco is.

1519
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:23,470
And it's quite a unique experience.

1520
01:10:23,590 --> 01:10:25,390
I don't think I've ever been part of

1521
01:10:25,390 --> 01:10:27,210
such a...

1522
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:29,690
How much news media was there?

1523
01:10:33,190 --> 01:10:36,850
Other than myself, I saw four other big

1524
01:10:36,850 --> 01:10:37,230
cameras.

1525
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:40,090
I didn't really pay attention to to which

1526
01:10:40,090 --> 01:10:43,730
media outlets, but I was definitely just making

1527
01:10:43,730 --> 01:10:45,370
sure that my camera is steady and that

1528
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:46,610
I was trying to absorb all the elements

1529
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:46,710
around me.

1530
01:10:46,710 --> 01:10:49,290
Yeah, but you saw four other media outlets

1531
01:10:49,290 --> 01:10:50,670
with big cameras.

1532
01:10:50,670 --> 01:10:50,770
Correct.

1533
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:53,430
So that would probably be from the local

1534
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:56,030
news media there, which I think, frankly, is

1535
01:10:56,030 --> 01:11:00,450
really good because sometimes there's no media coverage.

1536
01:11:00,990 --> 01:11:01,550
Correct.

1537
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:05,970
So, Renee, what's your thought on that, that

1538
01:11:05,970 --> 01:11:09,510
there were four big cameras, as Johnny would

1539
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:09,790
say?

1540
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:16,390
Well, I mean, my God, the cameras are...

1541
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:20,870
They're everywhere and they are trying to display

1542
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:24,410
that this is something that is...

1543
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:29,230
They're trying to magnify this case in a

1544
01:11:29,230 --> 01:11:33,170
way that is like they're stealing...

1545
01:11:33,170 --> 01:11:34,070
What's going on?

1546
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:35,630
They took away the theft charge.

1547
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:37,330
They took away the theft charge and I

1548
01:11:37,330 --> 01:11:39,410
was just sitting here thinking, what is that?

1549
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:41,650
What is really being stolen here?

1550
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:45,470
It's not really a $24 amount of birds.

1551
01:11:45,810 --> 01:11:49,110
It's our right as a society to know

1552
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:49,650
the truth.

1553
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:52,670
They are stealing our right to know the

1554
01:11:52,670 --> 01:11:53,010
truth.

1555
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:56,310
They're stealing our right to know what's really

1556
01:11:56,310 --> 01:12:02,010
going on behind secret doors of total cruelty.

1557
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:07,130
And they are shining spotlights out there.

1558
01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:10,150
It's all a big smoke screen, these cameras.

1559
01:12:10,690 --> 01:12:13,750
It's a big smoke screen against what's really

1560
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:14,150
happening.

1561
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:18,730
And they are stealing the society's rights to

1562
01:12:18,730 --> 01:12:20,590
really know the truth of what's really going

1563
01:12:20,590 --> 01:12:21,790
on behind those closed doors.

1564
01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:24,150
Well, having been in media for many years

1565
01:12:24,150 --> 01:12:27,250
at some of the biggest news operations, the

1566
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:29,530
fact that they're there, let's give them kudos

1567
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:30,410
for covering it.

1568
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:34,070
Because again, the reason I founded Unchained TV,

1569
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:37,590
which is a nonprofit news network covering animal

1570
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:41,430
rights, is because I saw that all these

1571
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:42,410
things weren't getting covered.

1572
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:46,430
Or a little blip, or I attended a

1573
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:49,010
demonstration where there were maybe 10,000 people

1574
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:50,850
and they showed two people crossing the street

1575
01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:53,210
and they said, these people stop traffic.

1576
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:54,410
No discussion.

1577
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:55,990
So that's when I said, you know what?

1578
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:57,970
We got to cover this.

1579
01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:00,090
And that's why we're covering it now.

1580
01:13:00,310 --> 01:13:02,230
But the fact that there were four big

1581
01:13:02,230 --> 01:13:05,390
cameras, which means probably the local news stations,

1582
01:13:05,770 --> 01:13:06,830
I always have hope.

1583
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:07,870
I always have optimism.

1584
01:13:08,730 --> 01:13:11,110
I hope they're covering it in the direction

1585
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:14,610
of Zoey Rosenberg, and they're not covering it

1586
01:13:14,610 --> 01:13:18,050
in favor of the torture chambers.

1587
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:21,950
And Jane, I just want to add that

1588
01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:23,850
I've been part of DXC as well.

1589
01:13:24,030 --> 01:13:28,190
And they have a really robust media press

1590
01:13:28,190 --> 01:13:32,290
conference unit within DXC, where folks write really,

1591
01:13:32,430 --> 01:13:35,170
really well written stuff for the press, press

1592
01:13:35,170 --> 01:13:36,030
releases.

1593
01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:38,350
And I'm very proud of them.

1594
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:40,290
They have that system down really well, and

1595
01:13:40,290 --> 01:13:41,670
I support them.

1596
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:43,930
And I think this is the, you're seeing

1597
01:13:43,930 --> 01:13:44,950
the fruit of their work.

1598
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:46,230
Yeah.

1599
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:49,950
And the New York Times just did a

1600
01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:53,010
whole big, long story on this trial.

1601
01:13:53,370 --> 01:13:56,150
I would say very objectively, it was not

1602
01:13:56,150 --> 01:13:56,910
very favorable.

1603
01:13:57,690 --> 01:13:59,890
In fact, they never showed any pictures of

1604
01:13:59,890 --> 01:14:02,410
chickens in the main story.

1605
01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:03,150
They linked.

1606
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:05,130
So you had to click on the links

1607
01:14:05,130 --> 01:14:09,770
to see, but they showed people, cows roaming

1608
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:11,850
and people milking cows gently.

1609
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:14,430
To me, it was an unfair piece.

1610
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:16,170
I commented and I said, why don't you,

1611
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:18,770
how can you do a story about somebody

1612
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:22,550
being put on trial for rescuing four chickens

1613
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:25,630
from a slaughter truck and not show chickens?

1614
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:27,870
And they did publish that comment.

1615
01:14:27,970 --> 01:14:29,430
And by the way, the reason I call

1616
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:31,970
this the chicken rescue trial, if you look

1617
01:14:31,970 --> 01:14:34,970
at the definition of rescue, it says to

1618
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:38,330
save someone from a dangerous or distressing situation.

1619
01:14:39,250 --> 01:14:42,150
So either way, it's a rescue because they

1620
01:14:42,150 --> 01:14:42,870
weren't going out.

1621
01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:45,130
Those four chickens were not going to be

1622
01:14:45,130 --> 01:14:47,330
waltzing out of that location alive.

1623
01:14:48,010 --> 01:14:50,870
The question is, and the jury can decide,

1624
01:14:50,970 --> 01:14:53,230
was this a legal action or an illegal

1625
01:14:53,230 --> 01:14:53,810
action?

1626
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:56,450
And before we wrap up, I want to

1627
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:57,890
get into mistake of law.

1628
01:14:58,170 --> 01:15:00,250
As you heard from the news conference and

1629
01:15:00,250 --> 01:15:02,890
for others commenting, they're not going to be

1630
01:15:02,890 --> 01:15:03,790
allowed the judge.

1631
01:15:04,230 --> 01:15:05,730
First of all, kudos to the judge for

1632
01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:07,790
not putting a gag order because there have

1633
01:15:07,790 --> 01:15:08,990
been a gag order in some of these

1634
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:09,690
past cases.

1635
01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:13,430
So if there was a gag order, Zoe

1636
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:15,350
wouldn't have been able to give that incredible

1637
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:17,130
speech that she gave outside court.

1638
01:15:17,970 --> 01:15:19,950
So kudos to the judge for doing that.

1639
01:15:20,050 --> 01:15:22,910
But on the other side, he said the

1640
01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:26,030
necessity defense cannot come in and the necessity

1641
01:15:26,030 --> 01:15:26,610
defense.

1642
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:28,550
Well, I'll let one of the lawyers explain

1643
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:28,690
it.

1644
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:31,390
Shaka, what is the necessity defense?

1645
01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:33,430
And you can unmute.

1646
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:40,600
Defense.

1647
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:42,260
Yeah.

1648
01:15:42,380 --> 01:15:45,580
So the necessity defense, which is a defense

1649
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:47,460
that basically says you can commit an illegal

1650
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:49,260
act if you're going to stop a greater

1651
01:15:49,260 --> 01:15:50,520
harm, a greater evil.

1652
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,060
Unfortunately, that's only been applied to human situations.

1653
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,160
Kristen Stilt, I think I mentioned earlier, a

1654
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,340
Harvard Law professor, had actually written an amicus

1655
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:04,100
trying to apply that standard to our animal

1656
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:04,600
friends.

1657
01:16:05,220 --> 01:16:07,080
And unfortunately, that was rejected by this judge.

1658
01:16:07,660 --> 01:16:08,680
So they're going to have to rely on

1659
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,360
mistake of law.

1660
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:12,440
However, mistake of law has typically not been

1661
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:15,400
used to completely absolve anyone of criminal or

1662
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,900
even civil liability, really.

1663
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,220
So that's going to be the issue here

1664
01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:22,980
is to what degree will mistake of law

1665
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:25,700
kind of maybe reduce the charges or maybe

1666
01:16:25,700 --> 01:16:27,060
make sentencing a little bit different?

1667
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,260
But mistake of law typically has not been

1668
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:31,680
used because we normally say making a mistake

1669
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,180
of the law is no excuse for the

1670
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:33,400
law.

1671
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:35,340
So judges typically follow that.

1672
01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:36,400
So mistake of law is going to be

1673
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,680
a real nuanced way for them that they're

1674
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:39,640
going to have to maneuver here.

1675
01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:41,620
Well, let me say this.

1676
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:46,360
There have been similar cases that have resulted

1677
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:47,060
in acquittal.

1678
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:49,000
And I think this is very important to

1679
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:49,660
point out.

1680
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:55,620
We had the case of the Baywatch actress,

1681
01:16:55,620 --> 01:16:59,980
Alexandra Paul, and her associate, Alicia Santurio.

1682
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:03,520
And they did a very similar thing a

1683
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,260
few years ago.

1684
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,060
This truck, I believe, was on public property,

1685
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:07,780
but I'm not sure.

1686
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:08,740
Yes, I think it was.

1687
01:17:09,140 --> 01:17:12,420
But there you see, there's Alexandra Paul, former

1688
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:16,360
Baywatch star and animal activist, and her associate

1689
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,820
there, also with DXC, Alicia Santurio.

1690
01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:25,020
And this was footage, again, the defense allowed

1691
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:26,140
this footage to come out.

1692
01:17:26,420 --> 01:17:29,080
Half the time in these cases in general,

1693
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:31,480
nobody even knows that anything's been done until

1694
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,180
DXC releases the footage.

1695
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:35,440
And sometimes they live stream it.

1696
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:37,820
And she was able to testify.

1697
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,400
And I believe that's one of the reasons

1698
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:41,740
why she was acquitted.

1699
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:43,140
Both of them were acquitted.

1700
01:17:43,300 --> 01:17:45,860
We also choose these animals because they tell

1701
01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:48,620
best the story of what's going on behind

1702
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:49,900
these closed doors.

1703
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:53,880
And we document it and we share it

1704
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,920
with the world because nobody else is showing

1705
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,140
people what's going on.

1706
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,360
The only reason people know what's going on

1707
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,720
behind these closed doors is because of animal

1708
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:04,440
investigators.

1709
01:18:05,260 --> 01:18:06,640
And she was acquitted.

1710
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:09,660
But there are those who say, guess what?

1711
01:18:09,820 --> 01:18:12,640
The prosecution has learned from that acquittal and

1712
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:17,380
is using new strategies, Ellen Dent, essentially eliminating

1713
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:20,800
the theft charge to try to limit the

1714
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,380
kind of evidence that can come in so

1715
01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:24,500
that the trial does not become a debate

1716
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:28,060
about conditions inside the slaughterhouse or the farms

1717
01:18:28,060 --> 01:18:31,120
that supply chickens to the slaughterhouse or the

1718
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,800
conditions on the truck riding to the slaughterhouse.

1719
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,340
It's trying to limit and eliminate that evidence.

1720
01:18:40,620 --> 01:18:41,960
What are your thoughts, Ellen?

1721
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,920
Well, I believe by doing that, they're concealing

1722
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,140
the truth from the public, as we've said

1723
01:18:48,140 --> 01:18:48,580
before.

1724
01:18:49,540 --> 01:18:52,160
I mean, you can see the conditions that

1725
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,420
these chickens were in.

1726
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:55,240
The public deserves to see that.

1727
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,020
The jury deserves to see that so that

1728
01:18:58,020 --> 01:19:00,180
they can make a fair decision about the

1729
01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:04,340
actions of Zoe that day and the need

1730
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:06,280
for those chickens to have been rescued.

1731
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,440
I mean, you can see the photos here

1732
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:09,620
that you just showed.

1733
01:19:10,060 --> 01:19:13,380
These chickens are in dire conditions.

1734
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,960
It really hurts my heart just to see

1735
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,020
them going through that.

1736
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,940
And I feel that the majority of the

1737
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:22,540
public would agree with that.

1738
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,840
And they would agree that what Zoe did

1739
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:25,580
was right.

1740
01:19:25,820 --> 01:19:27,880
And that there should be a right to

1741
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:33,340
rescue these innocent creatures who have done nothing

1742
01:19:33,340 --> 01:19:35,660
to us and yet are met with extreme

1743
01:19:35,660 --> 01:19:36,320
violence.

1744
01:19:37,260 --> 01:19:38,160
So, yeah.

1745
01:19:38,380 --> 01:19:41,680
Here's an interesting question somebody's asking on social.

1746
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,280
How has the jury selected meat eaters only?

1747
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:46,840
It's kind of funny, but in a way,

1748
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,220
it's serious because this is a culture war.

1749
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,820
Let's call it what it is.

1750
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:59,360
Tiffany Brunelli, former law enforcement investigator, now a

1751
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,820
DXC supporter.

1752
01:20:01,420 --> 01:20:02,580
It's a culture war.

1753
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,640
I mean, people say, I eat chicken.

1754
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,180
They don't even say, I eat chickens.

1755
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:08,400
They say, I eat chicken.

1756
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,320
In their minds, it's a thing.

1757
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,480
It's a dish.

1758
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,240
It's not an individual.

1759
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:16,700
They're not individuals.

1760
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:23,860
So, how much blame does the public—how much

1761
01:20:23,860 --> 01:20:25,700
responsibility, let me put it that way, does

1762
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:26,420
the public have?

1763
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:31,960
Well, Jane, thank you for being maybe the

1764
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,220
only media that's streaming this live.

1765
01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:39,180
And I feel so inspired after Zoe's speech

1766
01:20:39,180 --> 01:20:41,260
that if we could get this out to

1767
01:20:41,260 --> 01:20:44,180
the mainstream media, if national news was covering

1768
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:46,780
it, and folks could hear about this, and

1769
01:20:46,780 --> 01:20:49,580
they would say, what's going on with the

1770
01:20:49,580 --> 01:20:51,920
chicken or the chickens that I'm buying?

1771
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,000
And I have to admit, a few years

1772
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,160
ago, I was one of those shoppers who

1773
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,700
saw the little hen on the egg carton

1774
01:20:59,700 --> 01:21:02,280
out in the sun in this idyllic field,

1775
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:04,700
and I would pay the few extra dollars.

1776
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:06,780
So, I think if we could really get

1777
01:21:06,780 --> 01:21:09,720
this out, get her beautiful speech out to

1778
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,280
the public, and people really start going—because people

1779
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,520
want to do the right thing.

1780
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:16,340
They want to pay the extra dollars for

1781
01:21:16,340 --> 01:21:19,700
the so-called humane chickens and eggs.

1782
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,880
So, I'm going to share her speech out

1783
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:23,200
today.

1784
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,000
If we can all share this out today,

1785
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:27,980
if this could get out, I think people,

1786
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:30,140
the general public, would really be curious.

1787
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:32,660
What's really going on with what we're eating

1788
01:21:32,660 --> 01:21:33,340
on our plates?

1789
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,140
Well, sometimes I think that people believe what

1790
01:21:37,140 --> 01:21:38,120
they want to believe.

1791
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:39,480
It's really a question.

1792
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:46,020
In their statement, and I think there's an

1793
01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:52,600
agreement here, the corporation says, DXC is an

1794
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,720
extreme group with the ultimate goal of ending

1795
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,800
animal agriculture altogether.

1796
01:21:58,020 --> 01:22:00,820
I mean, I think that we could agree

1797
01:22:00,820 --> 01:22:04,220
that that is their goal, ending animal agriculture

1798
01:22:04,220 --> 01:22:04,740
altogether.

1799
01:22:04,740 --> 01:22:07,280
Renee, you're a former cattle rancher turned vegan

1800
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,400
farm sanctuary owner.

1801
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:12,100
You're the perfect person to answer that one.

1802
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,840
I definitely want to end animal agriculture.

1803
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:16,960
When I first went vegan on a cattle

1804
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,100
ranch back in 2014, I was terrified to

1805
01:22:20,100 --> 01:22:23,400
say that out loud, but I'm not anymore.

1806
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:26,160
That is my main mission, and one of

1807
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:30,220
the reasons I really think this is—to have

1808
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:34,720
Zoe's speech streaming internationally, or even nationally, or

1809
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,740
even statewide, it is going to compromise all

1810
01:22:39,740 --> 01:22:42,560
the billions in subsidies that all the governments

1811
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,400
pay into all these organizations, these chicken farms,

1812
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:50,300
and other types of farms, so-called farms.

1813
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,080
All the banks and investors, the major banks

1814
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:56,040
that invest in all of these so-called

1815
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,600
farms, all of the retail food services, the

1816
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,740
big ones, you know, I mean, can I

1817
01:23:00,740 --> 01:23:02,560
say it out loud, like the big Costco's

1818
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,980
and the Walmart, all these big companies that

1819
01:23:05,980 --> 01:23:08,260
purchase the bodies of these animals.

1820
01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:10,960
For Zoe's speech to go viral, it's going

1821
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,920
to put everybody on like the hot seat,

1822
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:15,860
all the advertising, all the media.

1823
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,360
Agribusiness spends so much money on these PR

1824
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,480
campaigns to make everybody think that these are

1825
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:27,740
humane, free, antibiotic-free, family farm.

1826
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,040
B.S. These are not family farms.

1827
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,600
These are torture chambers.

1828
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:38,340
Well, again, I want to say flat out,

1829
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,940
we invite any companies and agencies involved in

1830
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:43,440
this on, and I do want to point

1831
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:49,720
out what Purdue has said about its operations.

1832
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,220
No cages or crates, no antibiotics, no drugs,

1833
01:23:53,580 --> 01:23:55,960
freedom to express normal behavior.

1834
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:02,720
Well, that's, you know, these are, look, that

1835
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:03,920
is subjective.

1836
01:24:04,180 --> 01:24:06,580
Like one person can see it one way,

1837
01:24:06,620 --> 01:24:09,660
one person could see it another way, audited

1838
01:24:09,660 --> 01:24:11,120
and verified.

1839
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:16,260
That's another issue because some people say, well,

1840
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:19,900
the agencies that are auditing, you know, question

1841
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:20,280
them.

1842
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:24,860
I urge everybody go to corporate.purduefarms.com

1843
01:24:24,860 --> 01:24:28,900
forward slash responsibility forward slash animal care, investigate

1844
01:24:28,900 --> 01:24:29,980
for yourself.

1845
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:32,880
It's a very in-depth record.

1846
01:24:33,460 --> 01:24:33,920
Okay.

1847
01:24:34,180 --> 01:24:36,540
But by the same token, you can also

1848
01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:39,480
go to purdueabuse.com and DXC has an

1849
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:46,060
eight-page investigatory report that they've issued.

1850
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:52,040
So we are here showing that this is

1851
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,460
a huge issue and we want to bring

1852
01:24:56,460 --> 01:24:57,120
it to light.

1853
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,740
We want to bring it to the public's

1854
01:24:58,740 --> 01:24:59,180
attention.

1855
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:03,400
And really it's up to individuals to do

1856
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:03,860
the homework.

1857
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,080
We can't do all the homework for you.

1858
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:09,020
Um, we're going to wrap it up.

1859
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:10,980
We're we've just been an hour and a

1860
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:11,100
half.

1861
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,280
I want to thank my fantastic panel.

1862
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:15,120
Just really amazing.

1863
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,900
Um, and Johnny, you did a good job

1864
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out there.

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First time as a reporter for Unchained TV

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did a really wonderful job.

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Now they're back in court tomorrow.

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So, uh, I think we're going to be

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back in court with them tomorrow to see

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what happens.

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Cause it could be a lot of very

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dramatic, um, developments.

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These cases are like roller coasters.

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I've covered many cases, uh, for major networks.

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And I can tell you that, uh, cases

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of this magnitude are like runaway freight trains.

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You never know what's going to happen from

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one moment to the next.

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And I've covered some of the biggest cases

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in the last 40 years.

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So you can't predict what a jury is

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going to do.

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You don't know for sure one way or

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another, if the defendant's going to take the

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01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:01,560
stand, you don't know.

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They submit all these big witness lists.

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You don't know if half or even a

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quarter of those witnesses are going to show

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up.

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And, uh, so there's just question mark after

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question mark after question mark.

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But one thing we're going to do is

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be here covering it.

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We invite the companies that are associated with

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this case on any time we would love

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to dialogue with you.

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We want to thank our fantastic panel for

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being here.

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And we invite our audience to come back

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tomorrow.

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We are actually going to go at the

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lunch break at around 12 noon.

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We're going to go live tomorrow at 12

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noon, because we went live today because there

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was a news conference scheduled.

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So tomorrow we're going to be live at

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12 noon Pacific, 3 PM Eastern.

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And I urge all of you to join

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us for the trial of Zoe Rosenberg.