Emergency Town Hall: Help Save Wild Horses

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Emergency Town Hall by Unchained TV for wild

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horses and burros in crisis.

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Americans cherish their horses.

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These magnificent beings help build our nation.

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They remain iconic symbols of freedom, resilience, and

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the untamed spirit of the American West.

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Yet, few people realize that our country's wild

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horses and burros are now facing a dire

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emergency.

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One unfolding largely out of public view.

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I am talking about wild horse roundups conducted

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with our tax dollars by the Bureau of

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Land Management.

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Don't take my word for it.

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Watch right now and I hope this will

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inspire you to help because this is unconscionable.

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It must end.

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So that is the problem and now you're

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going to meet people who are fighting to

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achieve the solution.

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I want to start with Adita Bernkrant of

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New York class.

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Years ago, you went and protested against the

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Bureau of Land Management and what they are

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doing.

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Tell us your thoughts on why this is

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happening.

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You know, it's so heartbreaking to see what

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our own government is doing to wild horses

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who should be living wild and free on

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our public lands.

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The photo behind me was a wild horse

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band, a picture I took in Nevada.

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What's going on is a travesty.

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There's such a visceral hatred of these wild

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horses.

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I've been in several of these Bureau of

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Land Management meetings where ranchers have testified, the

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Bureau of Land Management themselves.

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There is a visceral hatred of these wild

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horses.

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They are blamed for degrading the lands when

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the truth is our federal public land should

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be refuges for these wild horses and all

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wildlife.

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Instead, they've been turned over to cattle and

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sheep ranchers who use them as feedlots.

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That's what's degrading the lands.

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Instead of protecting wild horses who, as you

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pointed out, helped build this country, where would

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we be without horses?

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What's going on is we're wasting hundreds of

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millions of dollars.

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You know, I've been dragged out of these

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public meetings, disrupting them, calling out the Bureau

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of Land Management, calling out the ranchers who

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run the show there.

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The people in charge just hate these wild

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horses and they want them dead because they

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are privileging the ranching industry.

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The so-called free-range meat that people

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pay a lot of money for, the collateral

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damage is wild horses are being rounded up,

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killed, and thrown to the trash heap.

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We also did civil disobedience at one of

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these grotesque holding pens where these wild horses

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have been ripped from their families and are

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just thrown in a prison, a barren prison.

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No one knows what their fate will be.

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Horses are herd animals.

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To rip them from their family is brutal.

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It's heartbreaking to see what they go through.

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Then in some cases, they break their spirits,

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they turn them into domesticated horses.

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We have an overpopulation of domesticated horses.

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We need to keep wild horses living wild

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and free.

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I'm disgusted that the government is still doing

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the wrong thing here.

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We're wasting hundreds of millions every few years,

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a hundred million a year at least, just

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to keep these wild horses kept prisoner, ripped

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from their families instead of on our lands.

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I can't hear.

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I want to play one of your protests.

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So that was one of your many protests.

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We've got people from all aspects of this

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wild horse and burrow rescue effort.

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I want to go straight out to Suzanne

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You are a person who has been, your

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name has been associated with wild horses and

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burrows for many years, running the American Wild

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Horse Conservation Organization.

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It hasn't gotten better over the years.

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It's gotten worse.

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I am told now that up to 73

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,000 wild horses are languishing in government holding

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pens.

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What the hell is going on here?

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Unmute.

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We can't hear you.

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Just get rid of all that.

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We'll come back to you.

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Put those away.

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Thank you.

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Let's go to Amelia.

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Amelia, what is going on?

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Absolutely.

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The Bureau of Land Management rounds up wild

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horses by the thousands every year and spends

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our taxpayers to warehouse them in federal holding

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facilities.

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These roundups in these holding facilities separate wild

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horses from all they hold dear, from their

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family, from their freedom, and they rip them

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from the homes they are ecologically and legally

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supposed to roam.

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We advocate for protecting wild horses in the

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wild and ensuring that they stay wild as

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the American public wants.

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80% of the American public wants wild

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horses protected and not warehoused in holding.

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We stand to advocate for keeping them wild,

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keeping them with their families, and keeping them

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free on our public lands where we all

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want them.

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These holding facilities, they are really bad places

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for disease outbreaks.

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If you look at Canyon City in Colorado,

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over 120 horses died from a disease outbreak

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because they did not vaccinate the horses in

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time.

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You look at other holding facilities where horses

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are dying from diseases like strangles where they

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get infections and die.

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It's really top to bottom an inhumane way

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to manage wild horses.

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There's a better way to do this, and

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we stand ready to work and advocate for

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that and continue to rally our 800,000

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supporters to speak up for our wild herds

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and our wild horses.

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The pain and suffering doesn't end when the

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helicopters do.

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We then see horses funneled into the adoption

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pipeline and funneled into slaughter auctions.

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Then our iconic American wild horses and burros

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are ending up in slaughter across foreign borders.

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It's just top to bottom, a mismanaged, backwards

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program that needs to change.

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Look at this little injured foal.

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I mean, it is absolutely heartbreaking to see

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this, especially when the American public is not

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in favor of this.

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The American public taxpayers look at the comments

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coming in.

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This is so sad.

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Horses want to run free.

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People are really, really upset about this, and

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yet it continues on because our government, and

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it's a bipartisan problem.

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We don't get into politics here, partisan politics

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on Unshade TV.

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Let's just say it's been happening in Democratic

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administrations and Republican administrations.

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It's been happening for decades.

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No matter what anybody says, it continues, and

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it's got to stop.

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I mean, we are, first of all, driving

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wild animals into extinction, and yet it's infuriating

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to me that this continues even though the

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American public is overwhelmingly against it.

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I want to bring in some folks.

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Should we give Suzanne a try?

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Suzanne, try one more time.

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Okay, cannot hear you, so I don't know

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what's happening.

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I apologize, but we're going to keep moving

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forward.

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Maybe I'll bounce you out and come back.

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Let me bring in some women that I

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ran into by accident who are doing heroic

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work.

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I stumbled upon this instant message group, this

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chat on Facebook, BLM Mustangs, Burros, Donkeys, Mules,

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and Domestics.

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I got involved because every day they're rescuing

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horses and burros who are about to go

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on the kill truck for the ride to

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slaughter in Mexico.

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Every day, every five minutes.

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These heroic women are working around the clock

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with little sleep to make this happen.

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I want to start with Jill Robertson Fuoco.

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I'm unmuting you.

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Jill, tell us what you do and how

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you do it.

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Okay, I started this about five years ago.

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I got into it through Facebook.

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A friend introduced me to what was going

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on with the wild horses and burros.

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Now, I've been trained by this friend.

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She's no longer in it, but I put

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up fundraisers for BLM Mustangs and Burros that

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are in kill pens that have a limited

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amount of time.

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Usually, they get about seven days, sometimes less.

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In this chat here that you're showing, we

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fundraise and raise their bail and sometimes also

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raise their transport costs.

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It's huge amounts of money that we have

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to raise.

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It's a lot of stress, a lot of

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pressure to get these animals out before their

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ship date.

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A lot of times we have to pay

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for board of these horses while they're sitting

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there being fundraised for.

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It's never-ending.

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Let me ask you about this horse right

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now.

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I looked at it last night getting ready

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for this emergency town hall.

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I saw this poor horse with this giant

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cut.

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I know you are trying to raise money.

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Tell us about this particular horse.

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Take a look at this, people.

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Look at the cut on the side of

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this horse.

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This is disgusting.

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Tell us, Jill.

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He is shipping to Mexico on the 21st.

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This is an Arabian stallion, unknown age, open

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cut and skin hanging.

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The kill pen will not do anything for

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this horse.

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No vet will come out to help this

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horse.

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They have given me excuses as to why,

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but he's not aggressive.

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They say he's wild, so they can't really

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do anything for him.

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I'm in the process of trying to find

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out what his bail is.

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I have to direct message the kill buyers.

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I have to wait until they respond.

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This is an example, people, if you're watching,

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because I see some of the comments, people

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are like, solutions.

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Somebody said, we want solutions.

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We all want solutions.

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I hate to tell you this, but the

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solution is to donate.

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The solution is to donate.

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I want to bring in the two other

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women who, and thank you for everybody else's

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patience.

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We're going one at a time to try

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to get the story told.

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Michelle Brower, I've dealt with you.

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You are Sweet Grass Rescue for North American

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equines.

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Folks, if you see that QR code that

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goes to her donate page, I hope that

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you will grab a shot of that and

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donate whatever you can because they really need

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help.

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These women are working selflessly around the clock

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to rescue these animals.

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As soon as they rescue a group, then

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another group comes in.

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Instead of having whatever, 40 people on their

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thread, on their chat, if they had 400,

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everybody could give 10 bucks and we could

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save these animals.

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Right now, it's like a desperate plea for

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so many.

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Michelle, tell us how you find these horses

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and how you rescue them.

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Before I start that, I just want to

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point out to people that you've seen the

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videos of the horses on the landscape that

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this landscape is not suitable for cattle.

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I am referencing Eric Mulvara of Western Watersheds

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here.

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I just want to make that point.

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The cattle should be in the area.

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Where I'm finding the horses is through social

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media.

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We actually have one person that I network

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with who pretty much tracks all the mustangs

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and burros who are landing in the kill

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pens.

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As soon as she can, she puts up

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their ship date and their bail and we

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take it from there.

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Jill is really good at finding homes for

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them, which we usually like to have before

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the fundraiser starts.

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She also arranges transport when needed.

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My advocacy is really to help educate and

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advocate and fundraise if needed for wild horses

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and for domestic horses.

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My mission has been completely eclipsed by the

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urgency of the fundraisers needed for the mustangs

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and burros that are getting dumped by illegitimate

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adopters.

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I'm going to jump back to you.

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I want to go to Jenny Sloan.

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Jenny, we keep putting this photo up of

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this horse on the right.

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Look at the cut on this horse's face.

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I mean, this is unconscionable.

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This is happening left and right.

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These animals coming in brutalized by our government,

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by the Bureau of Land Management.

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Now, you took this horse in.

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Will you tell us that whole story and

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how that poor being is doing?

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She's actually doing really well.

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She came from a lot in Arkansas.

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Jill and the other ladies, everybody posted her

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information and I contacted one of the groups

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that I work with.

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We were able to go get her.

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The hardest thing is actually working with the

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kill pens, working with them.

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That horse had to stay at the pin

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for over a week before we were allowed

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to come get her.

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By the time we were able to get

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her, the wound was already scabbed over.

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It was already in the process of being

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infected and all the things.

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By the time my husband drove down there

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and got her and got her back here,

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we got her to the vet literally yesterday.

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The vet was able to clean her up,

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was able to get her treated with antibiotics.

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At that point, she is sick.

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She's snotty.

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She's coughing.

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On top of that, she has this horrific

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wound who is mostly healed at this point.

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The vet had to dig it open and

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clean it out and get all the infection

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and things out of it.

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My job is when they come in like

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this is to try to get them to

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understand that not everybody in the world is

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as horrible as those places.

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Ironically enough, what happened is what the kill

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pen told us is that an adopter put

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a ulcer on her at the facility and

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left it on her.

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It had been on her for however long,

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a year.

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Her face grew into it.

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The kill pen put her in the chute

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and they removed it.

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They removed it, I guess, as an act

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of compassion.

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I don't know why, but they did.

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The wound that you're seeing was the result

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of them removing it.

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It should have probably been removed by a

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vet under sedation and medication and all those

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things, but it didn't happen that way.

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Needless to say, she is healing.

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She is improving.

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She will ultimately go west to one of

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the organizations that I work with.

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She will very likely be rewilded at the

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end of this process.

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How fantastic.

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Now, we want to get to all the

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nuances, but I do want to go back

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to Amelia Perrin of the American Wild Horse

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Conservation, such an incredible organization.

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I want to talk a little bit before

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we move forward, and we're going to get

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to indefensive animals in a second.

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What is happening with legislation?

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We did pass a Wild Horse and Burrows

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Protection Act back in 1971 during the Nixon

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era.

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Our horses are supposed to be protected by

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the Wild, Free, Roaming Horses and Burrows Act

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of 1971.

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Yet, the problem is, despite these legal protections,

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and this is right off your website, the

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Federal Bureau of Land Management spends more than

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$150 million each year to cruelly remove and

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confine tens of thousands of wild horses and

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burrows using helicopters.

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That's a disconnect.

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Then, they basically banned horse slaughter in the

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United States through a technical maneuver, but now

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they're just being shipped to Mexico, which is

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even more cruel.

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What can be done?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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The 1971 law protects wild horses and burrows

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as integral parts of our natural western landscape,

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but unfortunately, that law has been weakened over

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the years due to commercial interests and private

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interests dictating policy.

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We see things like the 2004 Burns Amendment,

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which allowed for the Bureau of Land Management

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to implement a sales program and actually took

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away any protections for slaughter for wild horses

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and burrows.

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What that means for us every year is

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that we have to advocate for wild horses

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to maintain the ban on wild horse slaughter

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in Congress every single year.

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What can we all do about this?

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What can everyone watching do about this is

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please continue to advocate to your legislators that

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wild horses and burrows must be protected from

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slaughter, but not only that, they must be

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managed in the wild.

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We need to stop spending so much money

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on this roundup and holding complex and instead

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flip that and manage these wild horses in

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the wild where they belong.

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There's some really great bipartisan solutions that are

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being put forth in Congress right now, such

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as Dena Titus's Wild Horse and Burrow Protection

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Act, which would eliminate the use of helicopters

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for roundups over a course of a two

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-year period.

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But the key part there is that it

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would immediately make cameras on every single helicopter

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used for federal roundups, which would bring an

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unseen level of transparency and accountability for these

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roundup contractors.

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Then there's other things like advocating for managing

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horses in the wild using humane fertility control

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in the appropriations process.

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Then there's other bills like the SAFE Act

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that would ban, protect domestic and wild horses

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across the world.

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Wait, how does the SAFE Act work?

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Because the SAFE Act is super important.

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What?

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Yes, it is.

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Yes, I was agreeing.

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The SAFE Act, I mean, the worst part

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of all this, I mean, it's all bad.

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It's all horrific.

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The worst part is the idea that, oh,

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we were so nice to ban slaughter in

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the United States, so let's just ship them

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all to Mexico and Canada, which just exacerbates

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the cruelty.

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They're on these rides without water, without food,

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opener trucks.

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It's just, it's extreme cruelty.

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Why isn't the SAFE Act something that everybody

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can get behind?

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Is it because of the meat industry's tremendous

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control over Congress?

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There's huge influence of private industry and Congress,

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and I think that it does play a

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role in any of these animal, just general

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animal protection bills, wild horse protection bills, and

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domestic horse protection bills.

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This is something that we've really rallied around,

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and a lot of domestic horse organizations have

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rallied around, is supporting the SAFE Act.

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We keep getting a lot of co-sponsors

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on that, and a lot of broadband support

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for this, which the SAFE Act would ban

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officially closed slaughterhouses in the United States, and

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then ban the export of horses to Canada

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and Mexico for human consumption, and so this

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would be, this would take down a huge

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industry, and it would be a really great

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step in protecting our wild horses, domestic and

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wild horses, from the cruel, cruel fate of

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slaughter, which again, we all stand very strongly

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against.

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We don't want our wild horses slaughtered.

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We want them protected on our federal lands,

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and unfortunately, the Bureau of Land Management's adoption

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and sale programs have funneled these horses directly

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from the holding facilities to the slaughter pipeline,

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through the Adoption Incentive Program, which AWHC has

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been investigating since 2020, and ultimately our litigation

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ended that program, to the now the sales

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program, where people can buy horses for $25,

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get immediate ownership to them, and then put

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them right in the kill pens without any

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protection or accountability for protecting them from slaughter,

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which by the way, every one person that

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signs adoption or a sale contract with Bureau

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of Land Management signs that they have no

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intent to sell this horse to any person

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or organization that will process the horse into

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commercial slaughter, so there's just no accountability measures

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in place right now.

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There's no accountability measures within the Adoption Incentive

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Program, which gave people $1,000 to adopt

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a wild unhandled horse or burrow, and led

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to thousands.

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We documented 2,100 at least in the

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kill pens, and confirmed through our investigative Freedom

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of Information Acts that 70% of those

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were actually Adoption Incentive Program horses.

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So wait a second, I gotta ask you,

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I mean this is insane.

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There's widespread corruption in our government, they have

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an adoption program, and this is what I've

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been learning from these ladies, and we'll go

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to them again, and they basically flip them.

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You've heard of flipping houses, this is flipping

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horses, and they take them on the cheap

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from these adoption, via these adoption programs.

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The BLM has to know, because if you

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have the same people coming back over and

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over again, duh, they're flipping them, and yet

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the government looks the other way.

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My final question to you, can't you sue

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to stop this?

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So we did sue to stop the Adoption

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Incentive Program, and we did put a halt

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to that program, and terminated it.

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There are other ways that we are advocating

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for accountability within the government, and we're working

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directly with lawmakers to make sure that there

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are humane welfare standards, and that there are

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these compliance inspections done at, you know.

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But I need a new lawsuit, they're obviously

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still doing it.

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We've got thousands of horses flooding into the

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kill slaughter pipeline.

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Why can't we, can we sue again?

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I think the idea is to keep suing.

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Yeah, absolutely, and we take part in strategic

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litigation that we know we're gonna win.

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The worst thing we can do is sue

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and lose, and set a bad precedent for

546
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,540
wild horses across the board.

547
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,600
So we are continuing to evaluate all of

548
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,560
this information, compile this information.

549
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:31,360
And so, you know, anyone out there that

550
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,060
has any information about a wild horse in

551
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:34,940
borough, please send it in to us.

552
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:36,720
We have a database where we track all

553
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,620
the wild horses that we can identify, and

554
00:26:39,620 --> 00:26:41,780
continue to evaluate all of our options to

555
00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:42,220
fight this.

556
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,360
I think the landscape is changing with the

557
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,580
end of the Adoption Incentive Program, and so

558
00:26:46,580 --> 00:26:48,680
we're currently looking at what is possible here,

559
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,660
what is the best course of action for

560
00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:52,820
our wild horses, and what is one that

561
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:54,680
is going to set us up to win,

562
00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,480
and win for generations to come.

563
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,200
And so that's kind of how we're looking

564
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,560
at this, and making sure that we can

565
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,980
step up for our wild horses through congressional

566
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:05,160
action, through laws being passed, through potential litigation,

567
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,420
and through our advocacy efforts.

568
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,460
People can't care about this if they don't

569
00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:10,220
know about this.

570
00:27:10,500 --> 00:27:11,860
And one thing we know is when we

571
00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:15,700
reach new audiences, they are enraged, like all

572
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:17,520
of us, and are ready to take action.

573
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,600
And so, those are our key areas.

574
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,460
We are working in Congress, we are working

575
00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:23,020
boots on the ground, and we are working

576
00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,440
in the courts to make sure we get

577
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,800
lasting protections for our wild horses and bros.

578
00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:29,760
Wow, amazing work.

579
00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:31,100
Thank you so much.

580
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,940
I just don't understand if the 80%

581
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:38,040
of the American public is outraged by this,

582
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,900
how we can't somehow get bipartisan buy-in

583
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:45,400
to stop it.

584
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,060
And to me, it's that our government has

585
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:51,040
been co-opted by the meat and dairy

586
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,780
industry, by the ranchers.

587
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,860
And this is so upsetting.

588
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Lisa Levinson, you have been extremely patient, but

589
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,580
In Defense of Animals is doing other work

590
00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:05,680
along with your organization, Amelia.

591
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:08,240
In Defense of Animals is trying to get

592
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,400
people involved.

593
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,360
Can you tell us how IDA is trying

594
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,280
to be part of the solution, Lisa?

595
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,640
Sure.

596
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Yes, IDAs, we've been involved for many years.

597
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,560
I think actually some of the people who

598
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,140
started their own organizations to protect horses did

599
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:35,060
start working under IDA for our wild horse

600
00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:38,040
and burrow campaign, which is very strong, and

601
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,440
we're so delighted that we can continue this

602
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:40,780
program.

603
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,840
We've been promoting and advocating for the SAFE

604
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,740
Act to pass that once and for all.

605
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,360
However, it's been a struggle, as many people

606
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,020
have talked about.

607
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:57,400
And we're also really excited to begin helping

608
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,460
some of the people that we've heard speak

609
00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:04,520
about helping the animals who are directly in

610
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,160
the kill pens.

611
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,940
So there's lots of strategies.

612
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:09,560
One is to work legally, which we're doing

613
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,500
with the legislation, and then also to work

614
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,640
with people who are boots on the ground

615
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360
trying to save horses from the kill pens.

616
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,600
So we're really interested in doing an appeal

617
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,880
to help them to raise some funds so

618
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,940
that we can stop this terror that's going

619
00:29:25,940 --> 00:29:26,960
on for wild horses.

620
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,940
And it really is terror.

621
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,740
I want to go to Madhu Anderson.

622
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,020
You have actually watched the roundups and you

623
00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:38,040
happen to live in Wyoming.

624
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,400
I want to ask you about the emotional

625
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,800
impact on you as an American citizen, as

626
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,480
somebody who, you know, has to pay taxes

627
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,580
just like we all do.

628
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:52,120
I'm outraged, but I haven't seen it with

629
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,820
my own eyes.

630
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,820
What was the emotional impact when you saw

631
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:57,400
it with your own eyes?

632
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:57,940
Unmute.

633
00:29:59,860 --> 00:30:01,100
Yes, thanks, Jane.

634
00:30:01,620 --> 00:30:03,700
Yes, I do live in Wyoming, and I

635
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:06,040
have lived in Wyoming more than 10 years.

636
00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:10,160
I have, like, on my camping trips and

637
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,680
hiking, I have seen so many wild horses,

638
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:14,680
horse herds, and they are beautiful.

639
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,980
Definitely they run for miles every day, and

640
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:19,980
I saw them playing in the river waters.

641
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,940
It's gorgeous, beautiful to see them.

642
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,860
And then I live just a few blocks

643
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:28,120
from a wild horse holding facility and a

644
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,360
BLM regional office, BLM field office, which is

645
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,320
in Rock Springs, too.

646
00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,340
It's heartbreaking to see them confined like that.

647
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,680
There is no shelter on their Rock Springs

648
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,280
facility.

649
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,680
And of course, they are, again, away from

650
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,720
their family members.

651
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,660
So I will share briefly about my experience.

652
00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:52,400
In August 2024, there was a wild, a

653
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,260
white fountain HME area where the roundup was

654
00:30:57,260 --> 00:31:01,120
occurring, and I registered with BLM.

655
00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:02,540
Like, you have to register, you have to

656
00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:04,380
give your name and your email address, and

657
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:06,400
then you can go and see this roundup,

658
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,620
because they're going to email you the location

659
00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:11,400
where you're going to meet them.

660
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:15,140
So I went and attended this, and I

661
00:31:15,140 --> 00:31:16,600
was an observer for four days.

662
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,700
It started on the August 15th and ended

663
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,500
on the August 19th in 2024.

664
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,780
It was the most horrific thing which I've

665
00:31:23,780 --> 00:31:24,860
ever seen in my life.

666
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,560
I have seen these horses so wild and

667
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,560
free, and then I saw them in distress

668
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,420
being chased by helicopters.

669
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:36,040
So according to these horses, these helicopters are

670
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,420
some giant monster, some animal which is chasing

671
00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,880
them, and they feel so scared.

672
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,580
And I have seen little foals, like baby

673
00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:46,040
horses.

674
00:31:46,580 --> 00:31:48,680
They couldn't even keep up with the band.

675
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:50,020
It was a nightmare.

676
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,220
I had never seen anything like this in

677
00:31:52,220 --> 00:31:53,760
my life, and I had nightmares.

678
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,940
I still have nightmares.

679
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:57,700
All this footage just stays in my head,

680
00:31:57,860 --> 00:31:58,380
which I've seen.

681
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,320
So I said, like, why is BLM doing

682
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:03,840
this thing?

683
00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:06,620
What is the reason BLM will do something

684
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:08,980
like this when these horses, when people from

685
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:11,560
all over the world come to see horses?

686
00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:13,700
Like, if you go in my town in

687
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,660
Rock Springs, like, most of the hotels and

688
00:32:16,660 --> 00:32:19,300
restaurants have these big posters of wild horses

689
00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,340
in the wild.

690
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:24,160
So I say, like, when you promote this

691
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,900
tourism, how can you put these horses in

692
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:28,140
these little holding facilities?

693
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,860
And then I found out BLM has something

694
00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:33,320
called AML.

695
00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:36,740
It's called Appropriate Management Level.

696
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:40,800
That's the number of, that means that, Amma,

697
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,780
that number of horses, only that number of

698
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:45,880
horses are allowed in a specific land.

699
00:32:46,620 --> 00:32:50,200
So, like, in 240,000 acres of White

700
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,740
Mountain HMA, HMA is herd management area, where

701
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:57,420
BLM is allowed to control the horse population.

702
00:32:58,020 --> 00:33:03,280
BLM says that on 240,000 acres of

703
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,320
land, only 205 horses are allowed.

704
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,060
All the other horses are too many, because

705
00:33:12,060 --> 00:33:13,660
they are degrading the rangeland.

706
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,000
That's what BLM was claiming.

707
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,300
But at the same time, there are thousands

708
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,420
of cattle, cows and sheep grazed on the

709
00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:22,080
same land.

710
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,720
BLM, actually, these horses, these wild horses compete

711
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,860
with these cattle's food because they eat the

712
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:30,460
same food.

713
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:32,880
Cows and sheep eat the same food as

714
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,300
the horses.

715
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,320
So to work in the interest of the

716
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,500
ranchers, the BLM wants to remove all these

717
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:38,820
horses.

718
00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:41,720
In fact, they are just saying this AML

719
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,360
number, they reduced the number.

720
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,540
There is no logic behind this number, Jane.

721
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,440
There is no logic.

722
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,500
How come 240,000 acres of this vast

723
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:52,100
land and only 200 horses are allowed on

724
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:52,500
that land?

725
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,620
It's all insane.

726
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Thank you.

727
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,880
You really summed it up, your experience.

728
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,700
I want to try to go back to

729
00:33:59,700 --> 00:34:00,060
Suzanne.

730
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,540
Roy, let's give you a shot one more

731
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:03,040
time.

732
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Unmute.

733
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,820
Hey, how's this?

734
00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:09,620
Great.

735
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:12,460
What's your take on all this?

736
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,560
Because you've been watching this for years.

737
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,239
It's not getting any better.

738
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,120
It's getting worse.

739
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,199
Well, the system is very difficult to change,

740
00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:24,639
but I would challenge that it hasn't changed

741
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:25,100
at all.

742
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Because what we have is a stronger movement

743
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,840
than we had 15 years ago.

744
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:34,159
I went to my first roundup on my

745
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,940
birthday 15 years ago.

746
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,300
And I, like everyone else here, was just

747
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:40,920
shocked at what I saw.

748
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
And one of the most tragic things was

749
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,060
I saw a stallion charge the bars of

750
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:50,500
the pen, break his neck, and die.

751
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,139
They don't die immediately either.

752
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,060
The BLM says they do, but they don't.

753
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,280
Dragged onto a trailer with his poor mare

754
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,280
standing over his dead body for two hours

755
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,140
before they hauled him off.

756
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:07,580
So the horror of the situation, it does

757
00:35:07,580 --> 00:35:08,120
continue.

758
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,820
But what we have is we have a

759
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:12,680
stronger movement than we have had ever before.

760
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,480
We have slaughter is off the table.

761
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,980
I recently met with the Deputy Secretary of

762
00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:20,500
Interior.

763
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,240
Another of our people has met with the

764
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,480
director of the BLM and in Congress.

765
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,280
They are all saying the same thing.

766
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,720
Slaughter is not an option here.

767
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:34,800
Well, slaughter in Mexico though.

768
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:36,180
There's slaughter in Mexico.

769
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,100
Okay.

770
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:40,720
So there's the legality of slaughter, which is

771
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,380
allowed, as Amelia said, under the Wild Horse

772
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:43,760
Act.

773
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,300
But every year Congress passes a ban into

774
00:35:48,300 --> 00:35:53,680
the procreation bill to make it illegal to

775
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,640
sell wild horses for slaughter.

776
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,280
But it's being violated.

777
00:35:57,820 --> 00:35:58,020
Okay.

778
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,940
But if it was legalized, Jane, those 64

779
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,440
,000 horses in holding, they would literally open

780
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,800
the gates and the kill trucks would come

781
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,260
right to the gates, load them all and

782
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:12,420
they'd all be in Mexico.

783
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,660
What's happening now is they're using loopholes to

784
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:20,580
funnel horses through the system into the slaughter

785
00:36:20,580 --> 00:36:21,040
pipeline.

786
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,740
So we have the adoption incentive program, as

787
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:28,020
Amelia said, paying people $1,000 to adopt

788
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:29,720
up to four horses a person.

789
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:34,060
And it was being defrauded left and right.

790
00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:36,140
The horses were being flipped into the slaughter

791
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:36,760
pipeline.

792
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,740
AWRC was able to shut that down.

793
00:36:40,100 --> 00:36:42,300
Now it's shifted to the sales program.

794
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,540
So a new investigation is necessary.

795
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,760
The documentation has to be compiled.

796
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:50,920
So this is maybe a couple thousand horses

797
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,960
going into the slaughter pipeline versus if that

798
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
ban were lifted, 64,000 horses would be

799
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,360
in Mexico tomorrow.

800
00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:04,180
And what I've seen in my years of

801
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:07,100
working on this is the bipartisan support in

802
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:10,320
Congress has significantly increased.

803
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,560
And many offices will say we get more

804
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,620
mail on this than almost anything else.

805
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,180
They know that people care about this issue

806
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:21,060
and they know that slaughter is not viable.

807
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,660
So we're literally the line that stands between

808
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,300
the horses and massive doom.

809
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,280
So that's important to understand.

810
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:33,620
The other thing that's important to understand is

811
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:35,940
that we now have a proven solution.

812
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:38,340
We can use fertility control.

813
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,140
We can use birth control to keep wild

814
00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:45,560
horses in check with the environment without removing

815
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,000
them from the range and shattering their families

816
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,680
and taking away their freedom.

817
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,160
And so that is the recognition of that

818
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,860
alternative, which AWRC has really promoted and shown

819
00:37:58,860 --> 00:38:02,240
to be effective, including in public science.

820
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:07,100
Congress recognizes that there's an alternative and they're

821
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:10,880
building pressure on the BLM to implement this.

822
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,340
And just this year, the BLM National Advisory

823
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:18,360
Board, Wild Horse and Burrow Advisory Board, that

824
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:24,120
represents cattle industry, trophy hunting, wildlife management, wild

825
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,060
horse and burrow advocacy, the range of interest

826
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:32,260
in this issue, they recommended unanimously that BLM

827
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:36,000
begin fertility control now to stop talking about

828
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,220
it, stop continuing the approach that's failed for

829
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:46,260
40 plus years and start implementing birth control

830
00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:48,640
instead of these helicopter roundups.

831
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:50,680
So things take time.

832
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:52,400
You know, Jane, in animal rights, I've been

833
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,340
in animal rights a lot.

834
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:54,520
Let me just say this.

835
00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:57,440
First of all, I appreciate your optimism because

836
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,840
as far as I'm concerned, looking at this

837
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,620
situation, it's a giant bleep show and it's

838
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:06,920
getting worse because now we have, according to

839
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,540
Dr. Riley, who we're going to go to

840
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:14,880
next, we have 73,000 now.

841
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,860
It was 64,000.

842
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,340
And now you're saying, Dr. Riley, it's going

843
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:21,740
up.

844
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:25,740
So I want to ask you, and let

845
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:26,720
me introduce this.

846
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:28,320
First of all, this is a very complicated

847
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680
issue, but I want to try to simplify

848
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,980
it so people understand.

849
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:36,640
Dr. Riley recently asked the Department of Justice

850
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,940
to do an investigation into the cruelty and

851
00:39:39,940 --> 00:39:44,520
abuse of Bureau of Land Management, wild horses

852
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,800
and burrows.

853
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,500
And so she did a whole in-depth

854
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:51,720
report, which I read, but I'm just putting

855
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,940
up a little bit of it, which shows

856
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:57,700
that there are many deaths with the roundups.

857
00:39:57,820 --> 00:40:00,140
The condition at the holding facilities is horrible.

858
00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:01,700
There's animals dying.

859
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:05,060
There's thousands of horses being sold to slaughter

860
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:10,060
in violation of the rules themselves.

861
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:14,140
And the government knows all about it.

862
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:15,920
They're looking the other way.

863
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,580
There's widespread corruption.

864
00:40:18,140 --> 00:40:20,700
So I love Suzanne's optimism.

865
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,580
Let's go to Dr. Riley and get your

866
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:25,800
thoughts on where we're at.

867
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:30,680
We're at an enormous crisis stage right now

868
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,660
with the wild horses.

869
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,680
There's no question about it, going to slaughter.

870
00:40:35,780 --> 00:40:39,280
I've had many conversations with Holly Waddell, who

871
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,620
is the director of the wild horses and

872
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:46,260
burrows sales program.

873
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,380
And last I talked to her about two

874
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,300
months ago, there were 70,000 that she

875
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:54,120
had in holding.

876
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,400
And a couple of days ago, I looked

877
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,820
up the numbers and now it's up to

878
00:40:57,820 --> 00:40:58,960
73,000.

879
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:03,480
So quick action is not going to help.

880
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:08,600
What we are trying to do, and I

881
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,000
work with Mike Jenkins, who's with Equus Calibus.

882
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:15,900
One thing that we're trying to do is

883
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:18,200
start at the root level.

884
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:21,960
And one lawsuit has been filed.

885
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,420
Another lawsuit is about to be filed against

886
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:32,000
Interior and the Department of Agriculture regarding all

887
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,020
the illegal fraudulent issues that have gone on

888
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:42,220
through the years, which has caused the horses

889
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:43,920
to lose their land.

890
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:49,380
Now, I've been working very hard with some

891
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:49,840
senators.

892
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:54,340
I'm getting some pushback from some, and I'm

893
00:41:54,340 --> 00:41:56,580
getting some possibilities with the other.

894
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,260
We're at such a crisis stage now that

895
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:02,940
the SAFE Act has failed for the last

896
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:04,020
13 years.

897
00:42:04,540 --> 00:42:10,080
It's passed the House twice, and it's died

898
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,760
in the Senate.

899
00:42:11,540 --> 00:42:15,060
And right now, the way the SAFE Act

900
00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:18,060
reads is that they want to tag it,

901
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,020
as one senator's staffer put it, they want

902
00:42:22,020 --> 00:42:25,580
to tag it on to the farm bill

903
00:42:25,580 --> 00:42:30,420
with the inability to slaughter cats and dogs,

904
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,340
which was passed the last farm bill.

905
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:38,120
Senator Rubio and Senator Gillibrand got the cats

906
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480
and dogs added on, and they want to

907
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,240
just tag this on to the farm bill.

908
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,580
But the real problem, which has occurred over

909
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:49,200
the last 13 years, six and a half

910
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,640
sessions of Congress, is that the cattlemen own

911
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,420
the Agriculture Committee and the House and the

912
00:42:59,420 --> 00:42:59,680
Senate.

913
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,580
They, through their PAC funding, which is Political

914
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:08,720
Action Committee funding, the cattlemen put in 100

915
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:15,020
% of the politicians that they back, who

916
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:19,620
are anti- or pro-slaughter, they're anti

917
00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:24,540
-horse, they want the public lands, they want

918
00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:30,300
to increase the subsidized leases for their cattle

919
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:31,280
and their sheep.

920
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:34,200
They are blocking it.

921
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:37,760
It cannot get out of the Agriculture Committee.

922
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:46,460
The way bills work is they're introduced to

923
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:49,140
the House and Senate, they go to, they're

924
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:52,160
assigned to a committee, the committee assigns a

925
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:52,800
subcommittee.

926
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,640
And then, so the SAVE Act sits in

927
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:02,840
subcommittee of the Agriculture Subcommittee.

928
00:44:03,220 --> 00:44:05,820
It just sits there and it goes nowhere.

929
00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:07,620
I get it, I get it.

930
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,260
Every single issue that we face when it

931
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:14,680
comes to animal agriculture, follow the money.

932
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,420
The meat and dairy industry have co-opted

933
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:19,080
our government.

934
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,260
So, if you're upset about this, don't eat

935
00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:24,940
animals, because that's why the wild horses are

936
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:26,420
being driven off the land.

937
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:30,980
It's so, the cattle can be on there.

938
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:34,280
Yeah, that's part of it, Jane.

939
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,360
It's a big part of it.

940
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,860
That's part of it, but we've got two

941
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:46,200
lawsuits that go to the root level for

942
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,800
the federal land management.

943
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,940
And then, what I'm working on is getting

944
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:58,800
the SAVE Act done now, which would mean

945
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,540
- Yeah, excuse me, let me just say

946
00:45:00,540 --> 00:45:00,900
something.

947
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:03,320
You just said that it's languishing in committee.

948
00:45:03,660 --> 00:45:05,100
So, how are we going to get it

949
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:06,380
done when it's stuck in committee?

950
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:08,160
That's what I was just about to get

951
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:08,460
to.

952
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:10,260
I mean, that's the point, is that it's

953
00:45:10,260 --> 00:45:11,080
a dead end.

954
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,160
That's the problem, is that supposedly, we have

955
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,700
a legislative process.

956
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:21,020
Supposedly, our representatives work for the people, 80

957
00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:25,140
% of whom, Democrat, Republican, Independent, don't want

958
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:27,480
to see wild horses chased off the lands.

959
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,400
And yet, guess who controls the agriculture committee?

960
00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:36,280
The ranchers and the agricultural interests.

961
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:40,780
There's a way to get the SAVE Act

962
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:45,240
through quickly, and that is using a discharge

963
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,780
petition, which I've been working on.

964
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,200
I've got some support from a couple representatives.

965
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,060
I've got some support from a few senators

966
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:58,580
who are considering it.

967
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:03,500
Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, two weeks ago, used

968
00:46:03,500 --> 00:46:07,360
the discharge petition to try to get the

969
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,760
barrowed owls, who are, the BLM is also

970
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,140
- Yeah, they want to kill millions of

971
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:15,900
owls on top of everything else.

972
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:19,640
So I'm working hard to get the SAVE

973
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,180
Act, to get a discharge petition for the

974
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:22,800
SAVE Act.

975
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Unfortunately, one of the leaders of the SAVE

976
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,080
Act in the Senate, he just thinks that

977
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,580
it is going to tag along with the

978
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:37,060
Farm Bill.

979
00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:39,220
Well, God knows, the Farm Bill is over

980
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:40,540
two years overdue.

981
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,020
Exactly.

982
00:46:41,220 --> 00:46:42,360
You're proving my point.

983
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,720
I am fighting with- I appreciate your

984
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,060
fight.

985
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,060
I appreciate your fight.

986
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160
And I thank you, and keep fighting.

987
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,560
I want to get back to what people

988
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,400
can do now.

989
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:55,260
And here's what you could do.

990
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:57,180
You could donate, you could share this video

991
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:58,460
out, you can get involved.

992
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,840
And this is where I want to go

993
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,260
back to the actual animals whose lives are

994
00:47:04,260 --> 00:47:05,780
on the line right now.

995
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:08,940
And I want to urge everybody to try

996
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:11,380
to join this group on Facebook.

997
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:15,200
It's a chat group on Facebook, BLM Mustangs,

998
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,580
Burros, Donkeys, Mules, and Domestics.

999
00:47:17,860 --> 00:47:22,440
You can also just donate directly to Sweetgrass

1000
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,540
Advocacy for North American Equines.

1001
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,720
If you put your phone on the QR

1002
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,340
code right there, that'll take you right to

1003
00:47:33,340 --> 00:47:36,700
Sweetgrass Advocacy for North American Equines.

1004
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,900
They are rescuing horses and burros left and

1005
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,700
right, left and right.

1006
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,840
So I urge you, everybody, while you're watching

1007
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,780
now, just snap a photo of it, or

1008
00:47:48,780 --> 00:47:51,660
just go on your phone and go in

1009
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:53,760
there and donate and get involved.

1010
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,280
I want to tell you that there's a

1011
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,320
lot of joy when a rescue happens.

1012
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:02,120
I happen to be involved in a couple,

1013
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,260
and I want to show you the burros

1014
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:06,240
who were rescued.

1015
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:10,700
You can rescue a lot of them or

1016
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:15,700
very little because it turns out that they

1017
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:21,460
are so cheap at this point that they

1018
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:25,840
go for basically a couple of hundred bucks

1019
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,440
here and there.

1020
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,640
So check this out.

1021
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,700
This was a group of burros that we

1022
00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:31,380
rescued.

1023
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:35,480
There's nothing you could buy that makes you

1024
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,200
feel as good as knowing that these lives

1025
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:38,480
are...

1026
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,260
There they are, rescued burros.

1027
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:43,860
Look at these babies.

1028
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,840
They were saved by this group.

1029
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:52,980
One, two, three, four, five, and they're looking

1030
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:55,020
and they jump and they say six.

1031
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:57,200
There you go.

1032
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,880
They're going to live safe, happy lives because

1033
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,900
they were rescued by this group.

1034
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,820
Look at these.

1035
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,500
Tell us about this rescue.

1036
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Would you do me a favor?

1037
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,560
You've been very patient, Nicole.

1038
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,700
Tell us about the rescue of those and

1039
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:16,640
other animals.

1040
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,680
I'm going to unmute you.

1041
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:18,180
Go ahead.

1042
00:49:19,180 --> 00:49:20,100
Thank you, Jane.

1043
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,540
This group of burros was posted and we

1044
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:26,700
were told they didn't have to be bailed.

1045
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:28,300
They couldn't be held like others.

1046
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,140
So basically, they were noting them as a

1047
00:49:31,140 --> 00:49:33,220
direct ship that they weren't fully bailed that

1048
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:33,680
day.

1049
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,400
These are mama and baby pears in that

1050
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,240
group that were rescued.

1051
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,100
Unfortunately, one of the mothers did pass away.

1052
00:49:44,060 --> 00:49:46,220
She was really thin and weak.

1053
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,360
The baby's now getting all the medical attention,

1054
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:51,460
hoping that the baby survives.

1055
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:58,200
How can you take a group of mama

1056
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,660
and babies, young babies still nursing, and tell

1057
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:04,720
them, oh, they're going to be direct shipped

1058
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,540
across the border if they're not fully bailed

1059
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:08,760
and even off the lot?

1060
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,860
It's just heartbreaking for any animal to be

1061
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:19,160
put up like that, injured, sick, any of

1062
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:19,380
them.

1063
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:25,080
I've done several urgent medical cases recently.

1064
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:27,660
It's just heartbreaking.

1065
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:29,580
We need help.

1066
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,640
We need home.

1067
00:50:30,740 --> 00:50:31,580
We need rescues.

1068
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,420
We need donations, rescues, non-profits.

1069
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,460
That's how we manage the animals.

1070
00:50:37,620 --> 00:50:38,900
That's how we take care of them.

1071
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:40,740
That's how we help each other in the

1072
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:41,700
rescue community.

1073
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:46,320
But it's just, it's tragedy and it's safe

1074
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,820
act has to be passed to continue for

1075
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:49,540
the horses' lives.

1076
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:51,940
Thank you so much.

1077
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:54,380
You guys are my heroes and I wanted

1078
00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:57,740
everybody to see firsthand who we're dealing with

1079
00:50:57,740 --> 00:51:01,120
here so that people feel confident about donating.

1080
00:51:02,020 --> 00:51:06,720
I did some deep background checking out when

1081
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,820
a horse was rescued and they say they're

1082
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:09,940
shipping to this group.

1083
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:10,940
I call the group.

1084
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,240
So this is legit.

1085
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:16,900
I urge you all, take a photograph of

1086
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,500
this QR code or just go on there

1087
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:20,280
and donate.

1088
00:51:20,940 --> 00:51:22,680
And then there's another way you can get

1089
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:23,100
involved.

1090
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,180
And it's a little complicated, but I urge

1091
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:26,940
everybody to do this.

1092
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:27,600
Okay.

1093
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,940
So I'm giving you a second to take

1094
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:30,880
a picture of that.

1095
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:37,260
Every cent you give to Sweetgrass Advocacy for

1096
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:42,720
North American Equines goes directly to getting these

1097
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,260
horses right off the slaughter truck.

1098
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:50,400
And there's no better feeling than when the

1099
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,880
thread goes, yay.

1100
00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:55,360
Now this thread, and again, people are like,

1101
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:56,300
well, why don't you have this?

1102
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,060
Why don't you have that?

1103
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:59,400
Well, these are a bunch of women who

1104
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,120
are just doing this out of the goodness

1105
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,000
of their heart.

1106
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,780
They don't have a team of people who

1107
00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:08,020
are designing social media for them.

1108
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,140
Here's an example of a horse right now

1109
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:12,620
they're raising funds for.

1110
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:15,160
And so the idea is that you can

1111
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:21,040
help by going to Sweetgrass Advocacy for North

1112
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,000
American Equines, and you can also join this

1113
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,500
chat and you'll see one horse after the

1114
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:28,260
next come up.

1115
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:30,240
Now, how are you going to join this

1116
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:30,540
chat?

1117
00:52:30,620 --> 00:52:32,220
This is where it gets a little tricky,

1118
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,540
but I wrote a little description here.

1119
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:40,200
You can friend Jill Robertson Fuoco on Facebook,

1120
00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:42,840
and then you can private message her that

1121
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,300
you want to join the Facebook chat to

1122
00:52:45,300 --> 00:52:47,060
save mustangs and burros.

1123
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:50,840
Jill is right here right now on this

1124
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,440
emergency town hall, and we're going to go

1125
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,660
back to her so that she can explain.

1126
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:00,440
Oh, she dropped off, but you know what,

1127
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:07,520
Michelle, you are Sweetgrass Advocacy for North American

1128
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Rescues.

1129
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Can you explain how people can get involved?

1130
00:53:16,420 --> 00:53:24,160
Through social media, you can friend Jill.

1131
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:31,840
There are a lot of groups and I

1132
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,220
can share the posts with at least 10

1133
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:36,860
different groups who then share them with their

1134
00:53:36,860 --> 00:53:37,340
members.

1135
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,040
So that would be the most expedient way

1136
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,000
to get involved.

1137
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,800
And you can also message me and I

1138
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,080
can network you in and answer any questions

1139
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:53,920
that you have.

1140
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,340
And I'm writing this down because I have

1141
00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:06,320
the website on the written intro, but you

1142
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,960
can also go to, correct me if I'm

1143
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:16,520
wrong, sweetgrassadvocacyfornorthamericanequines.com.

1144
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,380
Yes, we have a website.

1145
00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:22,140
It shows a lot of the horses that

1146
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:23,080
we've rescued.

1147
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,700
It shows our mission and it has the

1148
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:29,820
donor link.

1149
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,980
You know, again, I want to thank everybody

1150
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:35,320
for being part of this.

1151
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:37,660
It's a slow process because there's so many

1152
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:40,160
people who are doing different things.

1153
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:46,040
So let's bring in Lindsey Baker, who is

1154
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,700
our host at Unshade TV, who has done

1155
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:50,340
numerous stories on this.

1156
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,700
Lindsey, when you see these animals, it's so

1157
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:57,880
heartbreaking and I know that's one of the

1158
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,020
reasons why you got involved the way you

1159
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:01,480
have.

1160
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,880
How would you urge people to donate and

1161
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,180
share out and get involved?

1162
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,860
Well, you know, I think it's so important,

1163
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,800
particularly this time of the year, when we

1164
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,380
maybe spend money on things that we could

1165
00:55:18,380 --> 00:55:21,360
avoid spending money on and give the money

1166
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,220
to organizations that are helping get this through,

1167
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:29,360
helping to end horses going through this horrific

1168
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,840
treatment, veros going through this horrific treatment.

1169
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:34,160
I think we can all step up a

1170
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,560
little bit.

1171
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:35,840
I plan to step up.

1172
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,160
I've been working and I would love to

1173
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,300
hear from Craig, too, because he's one of

1174
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:44,280
the people I've interviewed a lot about this.

1175
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,840
The thing is, it's twofold.

1176
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,720
Well, it's multi-fold, but we have to

1177
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:53,760
get the BLM and the government to stop

1178
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,400
cutting back the land, cutting back the land.

1179
00:55:57,860 --> 00:56:01,240
They were supposed to be allotted since 1971.

1180
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,520
There was an act passed for the wild

1181
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,260
horses and veros.

1182
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,540
I don't know if you covered this yet,

1183
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,260
but that has to be enacted because these

1184
00:56:10,260 --> 00:56:13,820
horses and veros continue to come through and

1185
00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:16,400
it's because we are not doing the right

1186
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:16,660
thing.

1187
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,340
I also want to urge the organizations to

1188
00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:21,400
pull together now.

1189
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:23,820
Donate and work together.

1190
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:26,240
There's a lot of ideas, there's a lot

1191
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,560
of solutions, but we need to crystallize because

1192
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,980
we are going to lose the most precious,

1193
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,060
these horses.

1194
00:56:33,580 --> 00:56:36,820
Not only are they important because of their

1195
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:39,000
heritage and they worked for us, they brought,

1196
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,100
they made this country what it is, one

1197
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:45,060
could argue, but because it affects the environment,

1198
00:56:45,220 --> 00:56:47,380
it's a big, big risk to the environment.

1199
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:50,020
So for so many reasons, I think this

1200
00:56:50,020 --> 00:56:51,840
will be one of my number, there's so

1201
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,280
many good causes, but this will be one

1202
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,520
of my number one organizations, situations where I

1203
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,220
donate and to support this fully.

1204
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:02,460
I'll be honest with you.

1205
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,420
One of the reasons I'm holding this town

1206
00:57:04,420 --> 00:57:07,780
hall is that I got caught up because

1207
00:57:07,780 --> 00:57:09,940
I looked at the faces of these animals

1208
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:12,240
who are five minutes away from going on

1209
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,820
a truck to be shipped to Canada, have

1210
00:57:14,820 --> 00:57:17,480
their throats slit and I couldn't say no.

1211
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,640
And I started donating and donating and then

1212
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,420
I realized, no, we need more people.

1213
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:25,440
No one person could do this alone and

1214
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,880
I certainly can't do it, but it's really,

1215
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:28,700
really hard.

1216
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,800
And I will also say that when the

1217
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,360
good news happens and you're able to do

1218
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,760
something like this and rescue a whole bunch

1219
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,820
of burros, I'll never forget this.

1220
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,840
The feeling that I had being involved in

1221
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,060
this rescue and seeing those animals get off

1222
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:52,280
the truck, these innocent beings, there's nothing, there's

1223
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,960
nothing I could buy, okay, that makes me

1224
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,460
as happy as seeing that.

1225
00:57:57,580 --> 00:57:59,900
And that's why I'm saying people donate.

1226
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:02,580
We need help.

1227
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,780
These women who are doing this around the

1228
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:08,480
clock, you see them, they're on this town

1229
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:09,300
hall now.

1230
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:11,180
They are doing this just out of the

1231
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:11,960
goodness of their heart.

1232
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,600
And they also donate themselves.

1233
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:14,480
I see it.

1234
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:16,480
And they don't have the money and they

1235
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,540
say, I'm tapped out, but I'm donating anyway.

1236
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,480
And I'll tell you, just, you know, $50

1237
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,380
here, $25 there.

1238
00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:27,860
Cause a lot of times it's like, if

1239
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:30,080
we don't get $75 in the next five

1240
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,480
minutes, X, Y, Z horses go into slaughter.

1241
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:35,040
And so there's the clock is ticking.

1242
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,940
And when you get involved and you see,

1243
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,680
you go, okay, or there's matches.

1244
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,100
People say, I'll, I'll put up a hundred

1245
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:46,200
dollars who can match me and you get

1246
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:46,700
involved.

1247
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,060
And together as a group, we rescue these

1248
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:50,440
animals.

1249
00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:53,780
Of course we want long-term solutions, but

1250
00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:55,360
you know what they say, when you save

1251
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,200
a life, you've saved the world for that

1252
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:57,460
life.

1253
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,300
I want to bring in Craig Downer.

1254
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,440
We have your videos, your great documentaries on

1255
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,400
Unchained TV.

1256
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,440
You know, we have these big legislative goals

1257
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,140
and then we have the individual goals of

1258
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:14,800
rescuing the individual animals minute by minute.

1259
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:16,580
Give us your thoughts.

1260
00:59:17,180 --> 00:59:17,360
Yeah.

1261
00:59:17,460 --> 00:59:18,080
Thank you.

1262
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:18,580
Yeah.

1263
00:59:18,660 --> 00:59:20,180
I think it really is a crisis.

1264
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,720
I'm so glad you're doing this program, bringing

1265
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
all these lovely ladies that are, have a

1266
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,600
heart and compassion to take action.

1267
00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:29,860
It's very impressive.

1268
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,700
I'm a wildlife ecologist that specialized in their

1269
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:36,620
order and their family.

1270
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,040
I recognize them as deeply rooted, returned Natives

1271
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,080
in, and Keystone species in North America.

1272
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:46,700
I just want to say, I want to

1273
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:53,240
promote this bill, House of Representatives 10587, which

1274
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,120
is the Volunteer Federal Grazing Permit Surrender Act

1275
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,660
bill, because it's a very intelligent way of

1276
01:00:01,660 --> 01:00:04,720
free, freeing up the habitat and the resources

1277
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,240
for the horses and burros.

1278
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,480
So I urge you to contact your representative

1279
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,000
and senators about supporting that.

1280
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,620
But no, it is- What's it called

1281
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:14,000
again?

1282
01:00:14,180 --> 01:00:14,780
What's it called?

1283
01:00:15,140 --> 01:00:19,260
Well, it's something like Volunteer Federal Grazing Permit

1284
01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:23,960
Surrender Act, and it's 10587 in the House.

1285
01:00:24,060 --> 01:00:27,840
So it's been introduced by Representative White, I

1286
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,600
think, from Washington and others.

1287
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:31,860
So it's a very intelligent way and it's

1288
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:33,260
been tried before.

1289
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,260
And I just want to say that-

1290
01:00:35,260 --> 01:00:35,960
What would it do?

1291
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:36,780
What would it do?

1292
01:00:36,780 --> 01:00:42,120
To really- Yeah, it would allow public

1293
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,620
lands ranchers to surrender their grazing permits and

1294
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:49,120
open it up for wildlife, including the wild

1295
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,000
horse and burros.

1296
01:00:50,100 --> 01:00:52,000
So it would allow, instead of having 85

1297
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,420
% of the grazing forage going to cattle

1298
01:00:56,420 --> 01:01:00,300
and sheep, it would go to the wild

1299
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,600
horses and wildlife instead of being- Well,

1300
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:02,800
wait a second.

1301
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,240
Why would the ranchers agree to that?

1302
01:01:06,780 --> 01:01:08,920
Well, some of them would because they would

1303
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,060
get a compensation.

1304
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,260
That's not- But according to the bill,

1305
01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:14,700
they would get a fair market compensation.

1306
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,460
So it isn't necessary, but it would be

1307
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:18,220
an incentive.

1308
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,360
And I think many of these ranchers that

1309
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,060
I've talked to, not the huge corporations, but

1310
01:01:24,060 --> 01:01:27,820
the less wealthy ones would go for this

1311
01:01:27,820 --> 01:01:31,060
and it would allow many of these areas

1312
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:36,600
to be, as the law says, devoted principally

1313
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,620
to the welfare and benefit of the wild

1314
01:01:38,620 --> 01:01:39,360
horse and burros.

1315
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:41,300
So that's my dream.

1316
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,100
I just wanted to get that in there

1317
01:01:43,100 --> 01:01:47,260
and that I stand for a more natural,

1318
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:53,260
respectful way of creating self-stabilizing herds once

1319
01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:54,920
we have complete habitats.

1320
01:01:55,140 --> 01:01:57,800
But I certainly don't believe in giving up

1321
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,960
on the Wild Free Roaming Horse and Burros

1322
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:00,240
Act.

1323
01:02:00,340 --> 01:02:05,160
We must stand for the true implementation of

1324
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,280
its meaning and just insist on it because,

1325
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,340
gee whiz, if 80% of the public

1326
01:02:10,340 --> 01:02:12,700
believe in this, then we're not a bunch

1327
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:13,320
of wimps.

1328
01:02:13,580 --> 01:02:16,160
We have power and we just have to

1329
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,380
learn to insist that the law be enforced

1330
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:20,260
and implemented.

1331
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,660
It's a wonderful law and I think it

1332
01:02:22,660 --> 01:02:24,920
would make such a wonderful difference in America.

1333
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,620
Well, I'm sorry to see that Suzanne dropped

1334
01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:29,800
off because I was just going to say

1335
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,680
that this is what we have to coordinate.

1336
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,360
I see everybody proposing different laws.

1337
01:02:35,700 --> 01:02:42,500
Let me just say this.

1338
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:45,380
The days of people writing down a bill

1339
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:47,860
and writing a letter, those are gone.

1340
01:02:47,980 --> 01:02:50,580
It has to be a campaign such as

1341
01:02:50,580 --> 01:02:54,840
organizations like PETA do where you go like

1342
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,620
this and you hit, hit, hit, and it

1343
01:02:56,620 --> 01:03:00,000
sends it out to senators and congressmembers and

1344
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:00,640
everything else.

1345
01:03:01,820 --> 01:03:04,020
If you're relying on people to sit there

1346
01:03:04,020 --> 01:03:06,500
and write letters, forget about it, as they

1347
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:06,860
say.

1348
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,180
Ann Reilly just dropped off.

1349
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:15,720
Western Watersheds greatly backed Eric Movar.

1350
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,740
They greatly backed this bill to surrender the

1351
01:03:20,740 --> 01:03:22,760
permits, volunteer surrender.

1352
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:25,520
So that's Eric Movar and they have a

1353
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:26,720
lot of sway.

1354
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:29,120
They have a lot of sway.

1355
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,180
They're like Pierre also.

1356
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,000
They have a lot of sway.

1357
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:35,620
They've done great reports.

1358
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:41,520
They're using this drought thing and then the

1359
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,220
wild horse in Burroughs.

1360
01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:45,480
That's obscene.

1361
01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:47,380
That's a big lie.

1362
01:03:48,580 --> 01:03:48,680
Okay.

1363
01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:49,540
That's a big lie.

1364
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:52,320
Pierre did an expose on that.

1365
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:54,060
I'm going to jump in.

1366
01:03:54,140 --> 01:03:56,960
And so did Cowdale.

1367
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,960
I'm going to unmute you because I've got

1368
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:00,680
to jump in.

1369
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,240
And what I want to say is we're

1370
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,040
hearing good ideas, a lot of good ideas,

1371
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,120
but one thing that I'm not seeing and

1372
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,500
that I think would be great, and Dr.

1373
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,860
Reilly, I'd like you to work, jump in

1374
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:18,780
on this, is what about a coordinated approach?

1375
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,540
I see all these, there's various bills now,

1376
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,300
various lawsuits, various things.

1377
01:04:25,860 --> 01:04:28,180
I mean, how do we coordinate with all

1378
01:04:28,180 --> 01:04:28,720
the groups?

1379
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,340
You know that the bad guys, they're organized

1380
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:34,600
and they get together and they sit in

1381
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,060
a giant conference room and they say, this

1382
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:38,280
is what we're going to do.

1383
01:04:38,620 --> 01:04:43,500
Whereas it seems like we animal lovers, everybody's

1384
01:04:43,500 --> 01:04:45,120
trying their own thing.

1385
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:51,040
Now on this one emergency town hall, we've

1386
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,180
had really good top organizations and on the

1387
01:04:55,180 --> 01:04:56,120
ground rescuers.

1388
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:58,820
Is there a way to get them together

1389
01:04:58,820 --> 01:05:02,200
so that his bill and your bill and

1390
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:06,180
the other bill, that there's a coordinated approach?

1391
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:09,280
Because I can tell you that if 80

1392
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:15,160
% of Americans are mailing their representatives that

1393
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,680
they want this done, there's a certain point

1394
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,560
where it overwhelms the agricultural and the industrial

1395
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,540
and the financial interests.

1396
01:05:25,820 --> 01:05:27,680
Because these people know at the end of

1397
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,840
the day, they do have to go up

1398
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,680
for reelection.

1399
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:36,300
And so, it has to be absolutely overwhelming.

1400
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,560
And that's what I think we could achieve

1401
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,800
if all of these groups got together.

1402
01:05:42,300 --> 01:05:44,040
Dr. Reilly, what are your thoughts?

1403
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,780
I agree with you a hundred percent.

1404
01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:52,360
Our group just did a national mailing.

1405
01:05:53,460 --> 01:05:55,300
You can still do it.

1406
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,960
It went to for an executive order to

1407
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,800
President Trump asking for the SAFE Act to

1408
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,300
pass or end slaughter.

1409
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:09,960
To be honest, and I'm going to be

1410
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:15,460
real honest here, what I see is that

1411
01:06:16,460 --> 01:06:20,960
there's too much drama between the two groups

1412
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,600
and that we need to focus more on

1413
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,560
our mission.

1414
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,160
All of our mission is saving the horses,

1415
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,980
stopping slaughter, and keeping the horses safe.

1416
01:06:32,460 --> 01:06:33,140
Period.

1417
01:06:33,140 --> 01:06:34,140
End of story.

1418
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:40,780
Stopping the BLM, hopefully rewilding the 70,000

1419
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:44,520
or so that are in holding at the

1420
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,600
moment, not letting them land in auctions where

1421
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,780
they get hurt, they get sick, they die.

1422
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,620
But the organizations need to get together and

1423
01:06:55,620 --> 01:06:56,300
work together.

1424
01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:59,900
Our group, my organization is pro bono.

1425
01:07:01,220 --> 01:07:03,140
And I work with Mike Jenkins.

1426
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:04,700
He's pro bono.

1427
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,620
Some of the other organizations...

1428
01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:14,020
Again, to your point, we don't want to

1429
01:07:14,020 --> 01:07:15,600
critique any other organizations.

1430
01:07:15,940 --> 01:07:20,500
The first rule is don't critique another organization.

1431
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,900
I deal with this constantly in the animal

1432
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:24,640
rights world in general.

1433
01:07:25,140 --> 01:07:27,520
It's like everybody wants to be the top

1434
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:27,860
hero.

1435
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,800
But the point is that I think if

1436
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,140
we all come together and maybe have, not

1437
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:38,720
on camera, a summit where all of the

1438
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,400
email lists are coordinated under one thing.

1439
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:48,160
And PETA has developed a way that people,

1440
01:07:48,540 --> 01:07:50,100
no matter what I'm doing, when I get

1441
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,460
a PETA action alert, I go, I'm stopping

1442
01:07:52,460 --> 01:07:54,280
what I'm doing because I can literally go

1443
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,620
like this on my phone, boop, boop, boop,

1444
01:07:56,780 --> 01:07:57,360
boop, boop.

1445
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,000
And I send letters to a whole bunch

1446
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,460
of senators and members of Congress and heads

1447
01:08:02,460 --> 01:08:03,140
of corporation.

1448
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:05,320
We need to get high tech.

1449
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,400
And we need to unite all the horse

1450
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,740
groups, every single email list, and send it

1451
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:14,100
out.

1452
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:19,560
Because that, I think, would overwhelm the agricultural

1453
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,439
interests.

1454
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,180
But is that going to happen?

1455
01:08:22,540 --> 01:08:25,160
Is everybody going to participate?

1456
01:08:25,580 --> 01:08:26,319
I don't know.

1457
01:08:26,540 --> 01:08:30,380
There's a lot of people operating in their

1458
01:08:30,380 --> 01:08:33,279
silos, not to critique anybody, but it's hard

1459
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,460
to get everybody together.

1460
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,300
Michelle, you want to say something?

1461
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:40,620
Well, I don't have any specific solutions, but

1462
01:08:40,620 --> 01:08:44,399
I'm an environmental activist and I'm involved in

1463
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,420
this crisis.

1464
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:50,740
And the issues and the problems are the

1465
01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:51,140
same.

1466
01:08:51,540 --> 01:08:55,279
And I am advocating for the environmental agencies

1467
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,859
to collaborate with the wild horse advocacies and

1468
01:08:59,859 --> 01:09:02,000
the anti-slaughter advocacies.

1469
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,060
It just makes sense in terms of the

1470
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:09,680
legalities and the resources.

1471
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,300
So that's the only input I have on

1472
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:13,620
that.

1473
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:14,439
Yeah.

1474
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:15,800
Well, thank you.

1475
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,060
And again, your organization is, and I want

1476
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:21,040
to put it up, anybody who wants to

1477
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,640
help, it's so simple, really.

1478
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:26,200
You just look at this QR code, grab

1479
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,899
a picture of it, and donate, whatever you

1480
01:09:28,899 --> 01:09:31,460
can, 50, 100, 25, 10.

1481
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,500
And a monthly donation would be incredible.

1482
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:39,340
If you start on monthly donations, it's the

1483
01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:40,580
price of a cup of coffee.

1484
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:44,500
And that $10 or $15 or $20 can

1485
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:47,479
save a horse or two or three a

1486
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:47,760
month.

1487
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:52,000
So I urge everybody, please take a photo

1488
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,900
of that QR code and get involved.

1489
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,000
There's nothing you could buy that feels as

1490
01:09:59,000 --> 01:09:59,240
good.

1491
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:00,260
And you know what?

1492
01:10:00,300 --> 01:10:02,180
You can do it for your holiday shopping

1493
01:10:02,180 --> 01:10:02,520
gifts.

1494
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,700
This is what I do.

1495
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,920
I say, I rescued a horse in your

1496
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,220
name.

1497
01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,300
I rescued a donkey in your name.

1498
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:09,620
And you know what?

1499
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:10,840
If they don't like it, tough.

1500
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:11,980
Tough.

1501
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:13,420
I could care less.

1502
01:10:13,620 --> 01:10:15,020
It's that or no gift at all.

1503
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,220
We've been talking for more than an hour.

1504
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:19,740
I want to do round robin.

1505
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:21,720
I think we've covered a lot.

1506
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:22,860
We've covered legislation.

1507
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,760
We've covered the problem, obviously.

1508
01:10:25,860 --> 01:10:28,840
And we've covered the immediate solution, rescue these

1509
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,340
horses that are coming into the slaughter pipeline,

1510
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:34,020
as well as the long-term solution of

1511
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:34,820
legislation.

1512
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,360
Let's get final thoughts from everybody.

1513
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:43,120
And I will start with the very patient

1514
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,100
Jenny Sloan.

1515
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:46,300
Thank you.

1516
01:10:47,420 --> 01:10:50,140
I'm so far out of this loop with

1517
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:53,180
the legalities of everything because I'm the one

1518
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:55,060
that's actually doing the work of taking care

1519
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:56,120
of many of these horses.

1520
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,740
We're the ones that get them out of

1521
01:11:00,740 --> 01:11:01,720
the actual pipeline.

1522
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:05,860
So I understand the process of having to

1523
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:09,320
go through and get the bills passed, but

1524
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,140
it doesn't help the ones right now.

1525
01:11:12,500 --> 01:11:14,120
They're here right now.

1526
01:11:14,380 --> 01:11:15,820
They're here today.

1527
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,240
They're sitting there.

1528
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:18,900
They're waiting.

1529
01:11:19,860 --> 01:11:21,360
They don't have food.

1530
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:22,220
They don't have water.

1531
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,240
They don't have shelter.

1532
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,120
They're sick.

1533
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:25,440
They're snotty.

1534
01:11:25,620 --> 01:11:29,520
They're days away from being crammed on an

1535
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,000
over-crammed trailer.

1536
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:41,740
We don't have time to wait for the

1537
01:11:42,900 --> 01:11:46,820
legal process to happen in a lot of

1538
01:11:46,820 --> 01:11:47,180
cases.

1539
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,380
And that's why people like Jill reach out

1540
01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:51,000
to people like me.

1541
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,420
I literally can go there tomorrow and pick

1542
01:11:53,420 --> 01:11:54,980
them up and get them safe and get

1543
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:56,300
them to the next stop and the next

1544
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:56,640
stop.

1545
01:11:56,740 --> 01:11:58,200
And I've worked with a lot of these

1546
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,100
other people and that's what we do.

1547
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,540
But it is urgent.

1548
01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:08,160
We can't be patient with their lives anymore.

1549
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,040
There's too many of them.

1550
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,600
It's every day, every day.

1551
01:12:12,700 --> 01:12:17,540
There's 20, 30, 40, 50 more Mustangs sitting

1552
01:12:17,540 --> 01:12:21,920
in facilities within an hour radius of my

1553
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,960
home and they're sitting there and they're waiting

1554
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,120
to go somewhere.

1555
01:12:26,740 --> 01:12:29,840
So that is, on my end, that's what

1556
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,420
I feel is the urgent thing, that I

1557
01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:36,960
appreciate the legislation and I appreciate all of

1558
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,900
those pieces, but there is the immediate, the

1559
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:43,720
animal that is in front of us is

1560
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,020
here now.

1561
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,240
And those are the ones that need help.

1562
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,920
And I'm going to put up this, the

1563
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,140
one that is the focus today, one of

1564
01:12:53,140 --> 01:12:56,600
many, but look at this Arabian stallion with

1565
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,400
a cut and this Arabian stallion will go

1566
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,060
to slaughter if several hundred dollars is not

1567
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:07,020
raised in the next couple of days.

1568
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,980
And imagine getting this horse, getting on a

1569
01:13:09,980 --> 01:13:13,860
truck, packed with other horses and riding without

1570
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:16,380
food or water to Mexico with this injury

1571
01:13:16,380 --> 01:13:18,960
and then having his throat slit.

1572
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:21,680
That's why I donate.

1573
01:13:22,260 --> 01:13:24,280
And that's why I'm urging all of you

1574
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,040
to donate.

1575
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:29,020
Again, just take a picture of that.

1576
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,980
Go on right now, become a monthly donor.

1577
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:36,300
It's, you can see that QR code, you

1578
01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:37,000
just click.

1579
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:39,020
We vetted this organization.

1580
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,880
This is a good organization, Sweetgrass Advocacy for

1581
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,840
North American Equines.

1582
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,660
There's also Heart of the Wild, but this

1583
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:50,580
one, they're both great, but this one, we

1584
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:51,840
have the QR code today.

1585
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:53,480
So you know what?

1586
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:58,440
If 15 people, 20 people watching this sign

1587
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:01,340
on and they go there and donate, that

1588
01:14:01,340 --> 01:14:04,400
horse might make it through and might not

1589
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,480
go to slaughter.

1590
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:07,620
So I'm begging.

1591
01:14:08,100 --> 01:14:09,280
That's how it's gotten.

1592
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,000
I'm begging.

1593
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,740
The other thing real quick, just to throw

1594
01:14:12,740 --> 01:14:15,980
in there is, yes, money is vital.

1595
01:14:15,980 --> 01:14:17,300
Yes, it is.

1596
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,840
But having an end result for these animals,

1597
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,780
they need homes.

1598
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,620
They need people.

1599
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,480
They need an end result too.

1600
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,020
So otherwise we just end up warehousing them

1601
01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:31,400
again.

1602
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,260
They need a place to go.

1603
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,840
So if an average horse person has room

1604
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,560
for one more, they need to step up

1605
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,340
in that regard as well, because there can't

1606
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:44,080
just be 10 people that keep taking all

1607
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,560
the same horses over and over again.

1608
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:49,580
There needs to be places for them to

1609
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:52,040
go once we do rescue them.

1610
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,680
That is a huge component too.

1611
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:00,020
So we're getting so many people commenting, we

1612
01:15:00,020 --> 01:15:02,380
are losing them.

1613
01:15:02,580 --> 01:15:03,920
Everybody wants to help.

1614
01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:05,260
And it is daily.

1615
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:06,500
It's even more than daily.

1616
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:07,480
It's hourly.

1617
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,620
And here's the one that Craig was talking

1618
01:15:11,620 --> 01:15:14,680
about, Voluntary Grazing Permit Retirement Act.

1619
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:15,820
Is this the one, Craig?

1620
01:15:19,230 --> 01:15:20,470
Yeah, that's the one.

1621
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:21,330
Okay, great.

1622
01:15:21,710 --> 01:15:22,790
Because people are asking about it.

1623
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:23,150
Oh, I see.

1624
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:24,630
I had a different number then.

1625
01:15:24,970 --> 01:15:27,850
There it is.

1626
01:15:27,850 --> 01:15:33,770
But again, we have to get together.

1627
01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:37,390
Ann, would you be able to suggest an

1628
01:15:37,390 --> 01:15:41,350
off-camera conference where all the people that

1629
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:44,510
we've gathered, but others too who run organizations

1630
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:47,390
and sanctuaries would be willing to do a

1631
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:50,950
Zoom meeting and figure this out?

1632
01:15:51,090 --> 01:15:55,030
Like one email blast to all the legislators.

1633
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:57,150
Yes, absolutely.

1634
01:15:57,810 --> 01:16:00,550
I think that's what's really necessary.

1635
01:16:00,550 --> 01:16:04,130
Listen, we can argue till we're blue in

1636
01:16:04,130 --> 01:16:06,910
the face of, do we feel that it's

1637
01:16:06,910 --> 01:16:09,530
needed birth control or not?

1638
01:16:09,730 --> 01:16:12,030
I've heard arguments on both sides.

1639
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:14,090
Let's not go down into that vortex.

1640
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:19,050
What we want to stop is the horrible

1641
01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:22,290
transportation of these animals to Mexico and Canada.

1642
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:25,730
Let's aim for that, the SAFE Act, as

1643
01:16:25,730 --> 01:16:29,290
well as, and they're not mutually exclusive, the

1644
01:16:29,290 --> 01:16:31,990
Voluntary Grazing Permit Retirement Act.

1645
01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:34,470
I think that those are two really smart

1646
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:36,970
solutions that have come out of this.

1647
01:16:37,370 --> 01:16:39,370
And if we can meet and say, we're

1648
01:16:39,370 --> 01:16:42,670
not going to argue about all the inside

1649
01:16:42,670 --> 01:16:45,470
baseball stuff that these groups always end up

1650
01:16:45,470 --> 01:16:46,250
arguing about.

1651
01:16:46,330 --> 01:16:48,510
I remember 20 years ago, they were arguing

1652
01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:50,110
about the birth control or not.

1653
01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:51,750
Forget about it.

1654
01:16:52,110 --> 01:16:57,690
Let's focus on two items, two items that

1655
01:16:57,690 --> 01:17:00,370
are maybe achievable and go for that, and

1656
01:17:00,370 --> 01:17:02,570
then get everybody's email lists and have it

1657
01:17:02,570 --> 01:17:03,830
done in a coordinated way.

1658
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:06,610
All right, I'm going to give Lindsay Baker

1659
01:17:06,610 --> 01:17:08,950
her final thoughts right now.

1660
01:17:09,130 --> 01:17:09,610
Unmute.

1661
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,640
Well, I love exactly what you're saying.

1662
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,160
I love the multi-pronged approach.

1663
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,140
I love the idea of us coming together.

1664
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,560
I also love the idea of becoming a

1665
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,580
monthly subscriber, even if it's only $10 a

1666
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:28,940
month, because we forget over time, but if

1667
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:32,120
we set it up, hey, $17 to $20

1668
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,880
a month is one of your streaming networks.

1669
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:34,340
Come on.

1670
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,320
We can stop watching the reruns of some

1671
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,020
dumb show and actually make a difference for

1672
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:40,740
these animals.

1673
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,280
I mean, it doesn't take that much.

1674
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:47,040
And sharing, sharing this out, talking about it,

1675
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,440
getting more people involved.

1676
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,960
But that Zoom call, I think, is very

1677
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,580
key because just like you, Jane, I've been

1678
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:54,400
doing these stories.

1679
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,220
I'm not like you doing this part, but

1680
01:17:56,220 --> 01:17:58,020
I've been doing it since 2016.

1681
01:17:58,460 --> 01:18:01,360
And I've interviewed many, many, many people, more

1682
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,980
people than are here today, all great intention,

1683
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,220
all doing great work, but we need to

1684
01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:07,640
come together for solutions.

1685
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,420
And I would say that's the key.

1686
01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:12,660
Let's support now the immediate problem and let's

1687
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,160
come together for more solutions.

1688
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:16,560
Excellent idea.

1689
01:18:16,980 --> 01:18:19,480
And that we've achieved something.

1690
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,500
Because one of the reasons why I hold

1691
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,600
these town halls is that a lot of

1692
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,720
times what comes out is an idea.

1693
01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:28,840
And I do feel that there's a lot

1694
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,540
of silos in the horse rescue.

1695
01:18:30,740 --> 01:18:32,720
First of all, there's so many horse rescue

1696
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,040
groups.

1697
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,720
I was shocked when I went looking for

1698
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:36,960
Heart of the Wild Rescue.

1699
01:18:37,780 --> 01:18:40,240
There's a bunch that have similar names.

1700
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:42,980
And in every state, there's people, good people

1701
01:18:42,980 --> 01:18:45,000
rescuing these horses, rescuing these horses.

1702
01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:47,480
Imagine if we all came together and we

1703
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:51,020
combined our email lists and we sent out

1704
01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:56,420
a email to all of them saying, click,

1705
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:57,700
click, click, click.

1706
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,420
And that would be something that would go

1707
01:19:01,420 --> 01:19:04,720
into the inboxes of the president, of the

1708
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,580
Senate, of the House.

1709
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:10,020
And that would be very, very powerful.

1710
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,340
So now I'm going to go to Michelle.

1711
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,440
Well, let's go to somebody who's been overlooked

1712
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,960
and I apologize, Nicole Scholl.

1713
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,980
Unmute and give us your final thoughts.

1714
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,140
Well, honestly, we have a system that's failing

1715
01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:30,280
every animal, not just horses, donkeys, but all

1716
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,980
animals that they claim they're protecting.

1717
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,860
So honestly, we all as a group, if

1718
01:19:37,860 --> 01:19:40,040
you care about animals, be their voice.

1719
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:41,580
They can't talk like we can.

1720
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,060
Step up, be there for them, advocate, bring

1721
01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:45,760
the awareness.

1722
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:51,320
That's all I can really do, be their

1723
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:51,600
voice.

1724
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,860
And you have an incredible organization as well.

1725
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,900
I've donated to your organization and will continue

1726
01:19:58,900 --> 01:19:59,760
to do so.

1727
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:02,580
But again, no individual can do it alone.

1728
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:08,800
I held this town hall because I can't,

1729
01:20:08,940 --> 01:20:09,780
I'm tapped.

1730
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:11,800
I mean, but then you see the faces

1731
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,700
and you go on that instant message group,

1732
01:20:15,820 --> 01:20:18,100
that chat, and you see more of the

1733
01:20:18,100 --> 01:20:20,380
faces and it's like, how can I not?

1734
01:20:20,500 --> 01:20:21,360
How can I not?

1735
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:25,480
This horse and that donkey, it's truly overwhelming.

1736
01:20:25,660 --> 01:20:28,020
But that's why I say together, if we

1737
01:20:28,020 --> 01:20:30,840
all pitch in, we can do it.

1738
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:32,440
We can do it because it is a

1739
01:20:32,440 --> 01:20:34,020
pipeline, but it's not infinite.

1740
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:36,260
It's overwhelming, but it's not infinite.

1741
01:20:36,500 --> 01:20:40,600
And if there's enough people donating, then those

1742
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,220
horses can be saved because these women, they

1743
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:46,740
work like hell around the clock to save

1744
01:20:46,740 --> 01:20:47,300
these horses.

1745
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:48,120
Okay.

1746
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,980
Final thought from, who do we got?

1747
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:52,460
Madhu.

1748
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,200
Madhu.

1749
01:20:54,700 --> 01:20:56,300
Oh, that's not Madhu.

1750
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:56,880
Hold on.

1751
01:20:57,740 --> 01:20:58,360
Madhu.

1752
01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:59,920
Yeah.

1753
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:00,760
Hi, Jane.

1754
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:02,200
Yeah.

1755
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:06,260
I also think that the cruelty starts from

1756
01:21:06,260 --> 01:21:09,140
when the roundup starts, as I have witnessed

1757
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:11,360
this cruelty with my own eyes.

1758
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,340
Horses getting separated from their families, dying with

1759
01:21:16,340 --> 01:21:22,760
injured leg injuries or breaking their legs, overcrowded

1760
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,140
pens, et cetera.

1761
01:21:24,140 --> 01:21:26,960
So I believe that another way people can

1762
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,880
help is if you go on the BLM

1763
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,380
website, you can always find out when the

1764
01:21:32,380 --> 01:21:34,400
next scheduled roundups are.

1765
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,280
Roundup is going to happen whether it's in

1766
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,440
California, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, wherever, and make

1767
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:42,320
a call, please.

1768
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,400
You can call BLM directly and tell them

1769
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,700
to stop that particular roundup because it's cruel

1770
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:50,100
to the animals and it is cruel and

1771
01:21:50,100 --> 01:21:52,100
it's costing the taxpayers a lot of money.

1772
01:21:52,540 --> 01:21:56,380
We can also participate in the public comment

1773
01:21:56,380 --> 01:21:59,940
periods because BLM does open public comment periods

1774
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:02,640
for certain roundups and we can always speak

1775
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,600
up against them there because cruelty starts from

1776
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,140
the minute the helicopter starts and it is

1777
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:11,140
the most horrible way of treating wild horses.

1778
01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:13,720
Oh, so awful.

1779
01:22:14,100 --> 01:22:16,180
I mean, I love everything you say.

1780
01:22:16,180 --> 01:22:18,920
I doubt, I mean, it's always good to

1781
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:19,560
protest.

1782
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,320
I had seen these protests for years.

1783
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,480
Political pressure will get to them, but they

1784
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:47,200
have a tendency to be, because they're so

1785
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:53,600
controlled by the industry, they pretty much, you

1786
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,580
know, I mean, I think it's good to

1787
01:22:56,580 --> 01:23:01,740
protest, but I think the legislative solutions are

1788
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:02,920
absolutely key.

1789
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:07,200
All right, final thoughts from, Michelle, did you

1790
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,080
give, you did your give your final thought,

1791
01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:09,340
right?

1792
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:10,860
Yeah, pretty much.

1793
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:14,460
Okay, well, no, you know, I do want

1794
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:18,380
to say something that I, yes, my link

1795
01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:20,900
is up for the donations, but I'm sharing

1796
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:27,020
with Nicole because we work together and we

1797
01:23:27,020 --> 01:23:29,620
support each other and so if you're donating

1798
01:23:29,620 --> 01:23:32,260
to me, you're donating to her as well.

1799
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,680
Excellent, thank you so much.

1800
01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:36,200
Craig, your final thought?

1801
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,280
Yeah, I think this is really wonderful to

1802
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,220
see how many people really care and have

1803
01:23:43,220 --> 01:23:46,120
such great empathy for the wild horses at

1804
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,660
Burroughs for being so victimized and I just

1805
01:23:49,660 --> 01:23:52,360
want to say that I do too really

1806
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,320
feel for these individual animals.

1807
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,920
It's really important not to forget the individuals,

1808
01:23:58,060 --> 01:24:00,740
just like us, they're sentient beings and with

1809
01:24:00,740 --> 01:24:05,180
extraordinary abilities and conceptions, but I want to

1810
01:24:05,180 --> 01:24:08,220
say that I do hold on to the

1811
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:11,020
vision of the Wild, Free, Roaming Horse and

1812
01:24:11,020 --> 01:24:13,860
Burroughs Act that these millions of acres on

1813
01:24:13,860 --> 01:24:15,940
the BLM, and let us not forget the

1814
01:24:15,940 --> 01:24:19,960
U.S. Forest Service lands, was designated principally

1815
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,480
for their welfare and benefit, not for the

1816
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:25,640
welfare and benefit of the ranchers that already

1817
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:29,280
graze most of our public lands, so why

1818
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,900
are these fat cats getting even more and

1819
01:24:32,900 --> 01:24:34,000
they're being bullies?

1820
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,880
So I think we have to hold true

1821
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,520
to the true intent of the law and

1822
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,160
that the fact that this is honoring the

1823
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,640
true nature of the wild horses at Burroughs

1824
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:50,600
and it's a real rarity among humanity that

1825
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,000
we're saying, hey, let's let them be themselves

1826
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,180
and be their natural selves and play their

1827
01:24:56,180 --> 01:25:00,060
wonderful God-given role in our world, you

1828
01:25:00,060 --> 01:25:02,380
know, that's so important for all of us,

1829
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,720
so let's not give up on this because

1830
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:05,860
things can change.

1831
01:25:06,620 --> 01:25:08,880
This whole world is coming to kind of

1832
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,720
a crisis stage and I think that's an

1833
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,980
opportunity for major changes because people are going

1834
01:25:14,980 --> 01:25:17,440
to come clean and they're going to see

1835
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,260
there's new ways of life, like we don't

1836
01:25:20,260 --> 01:25:22,440
have to eat so much meat and dairy

1837
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,460
products or any at all, we can eat

1838
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,540
vegetables and fruits and, you know, there's just

1839
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:31,340
radical changes that need to be made so

1840
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:35,180
we can restore harmony to our interrelationships here

1841
01:25:35,180 --> 01:25:37,380
on earth and that's what the Wild Free

1842
01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:40,300
Roaming Horses and Burroughs Act really is trying

1843
01:25:40,300 --> 01:25:40,860
to do.

1844
01:25:41,460 --> 01:25:41,940
Thank you.

1845
01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:43,740
Thank you, excellent points.

1846
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:48,120
Has everybody, did you do your final thought,

1847
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:48,420
Anne?

1848
01:25:49,620 --> 01:25:53,160
Basically, my final thought was that I will,

1849
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:57,980
U.S. Forest Welfare and Rescue will organize

1850
01:25:57,980 --> 01:26:02,920
a Zoom meeting to and invite all the

1851
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,360
leaders of all the organizations together to see

1852
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:13,630
if we can collectively beat the ranchers and

1853
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:14,690
get these horses seen.

1854
01:26:15,870 --> 01:26:18,490
I love it and what an incredible way

1855
01:26:18,490 --> 01:26:19,230
to end.

1856
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:24,850
Fantastic, because we have an action point and

1857
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:27,130
I want to thank you, Dr. Riley, for

1858
01:26:27,130 --> 01:26:28,470
making that commitment.

1859
01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:30,770
I hope you will allow me to attend

1860
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:35,370
as well as Lindsay Baker from our team

1861
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:39,150
and that everybody who was on this emergency

1862
01:26:39,150 --> 01:26:43,370
town hall will be able to attend and

1863
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:47,070
we can all work together and combine our

1864
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:51,270
email lists and do a national campaign and

1865
01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:53,590
that's really what we need.

1866
01:26:54,130 --> 01:26:57,230
I mean, I think that if that comes

1867
01:26:57,230 --> 01:26:59,410
out of this town hall, it will have

1868
01:26:59,410 --> 01:27:00,670
been well worth it.

1869
01:27:01,310 --> 01:27:03,890
I want to thank you, Anne, for, Dr.

1870
01:27:04,030 --> 01:27:06,990
Riley, for agreeing to arrange that.

1871
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:11,570
One second, Jane, can you get me the

1872
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:15,130
emails, the email of all the people?

1873
01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:16,910
Absolutely, I will.

1874
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:20,490
And then I, well, there's a lot of

1875
01:27:20,490 --> 01:27:22,530
other rescues and advocates.

1876
01:27:22,890 --> 01:27:25,130
Yes, it's probably going to take a month

1877
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:28,130
to gather all the emails and what we

1878
01:27:28,130 --> 01:27:31,310
can do is all of us start collecting

1879
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:33,870
all the emails that we know, right?

1880
01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:37,830
And together, if we all collect various emails

1881
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:41,110
of the organizations and then invite them.

1882
01:27:41,790 --> 01:27:44,770
This happened just recently with another aspect of

1883
01:27:44,770 --> 01:27:47,070
the animal rights movement and was very successful.

1884
01:27:48,090 --> 01:27:50,390
We have strengthened numbers.

1885
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:51,850
We've been operating in silos.

1886
01:27:52,230 --> 01:27:53,330
We need to get together.

1887
01:27:53,890 --> 01:27:56,430
That's the outcome of this emergency town hall

1888
01:27:56,430 --> 01:27:58,790
and I feel that that makes it very

1889
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:59,410
successful.

1890
01:28:00,070 --> 01:28:02,290
Thank you everybody for being a part of

1891
01:28:02,290 --> 01:28:05,210
this and remember for those watching at home,

1892
01:28:05,650 --> 01:28:08,290
the bottom line is very simple.

1893
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:09,850
You can be part of this.

1894
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:11,270
You can be part of the solution.

1895
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:12,630
You can be part of history.

1896
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:17,930
Donate, grab that QR code that is on

1897
01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:21,490
your screen right now and just donate what

1898
01:28:21,490 --> 01:28:22,010
you can.

1899
01:28:22,210 --> 01:28:24,890
If you can become a monthly donor, that

1900
01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:26,370
would be extraordinary.

1901
01:28:27,070 --> 01:28:29,470
And I don't ask anybody to do something

1902
01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:30,630
that I don't do.

1903
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:33,910
I have donated repeatedly to this organization and

1904
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:37,410
will continue to do so along with Heart

1905
01:28:37,410 --> 01:28:39,470
of the Wild and some of the other

1906
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:39,850
groups.

1907
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:42,430
So please join me together.

1908
01:28:42,730 --> 01:28:44,410
We can save lives.

1909
01:28:44,670 --> 01:28:47,270
Thank you so much for being part of

1910
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:51,130
this emergency town hall and we will do

1911
01:28:51,130 --> 01:28:55,650
an update after we have the meeting that

1912
01:28:55,650 --> 01:28:59,230
Dr. Riley is going to arrange.

1913
01:28:59,510 --> 01:29:00,810
Thank you everyone.

1914
01:29:00,810 --> 01:29:01,130
Bye.

1915
01:29:01,890 --> 01:29:02,790
Thank you.

1916
01:29:03,670 --> 01:29:04,510
Thank you.

1917
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:05,710
Thank you.