UnchainedTV: Arrested on Capitol Hill Speaking Up for Animals!

1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,780
TV journalist and the founder of the Unchained

2
00:00:02,780 --> 00:00:05,820
TV free streaming network, Jane Velez Mitchell.

3
00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,360
You're about to hear a secret solution to

4
00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,340
the problems that plague our world.

5
00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:13,320
If you want to revolutionise your health, get

6
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,040
truly joyful and jump to the next phase

7
00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,720
of human evolution, all it takes is one

8
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,800
simple choice.

9
00:00:20,220 --> 00:00:22,760
Now, here's your host, Jane Velez Mitchell.

10
00:00:24,780 --> 00:00:27,580
Wow, you are going to hear all about

11
00:00:27,580 --> 00:00:31,780
this wild congressional hearing where there were arrests

12
00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:35,360
and boy, was it dramatic.

13
00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:41,280
Really, really, really dramatic fireworks in the form

14
00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,100
of confrontation and arrests as Congress battles it

15
00:00:44,100 --> 00:00:45,380
out over the farm bill.

16
00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,880
We will talk live with one of the

17
00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,080
animal activists dragged out of a house committee

18
00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,900
hearing on agriculture recently, while loudly begging lawmakers

19
00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:56,800
to stop subsidising the meat and dairy industry

20
00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,920
that is causing so much harm.

21
00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,960
A huge contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, water

22
00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,580
pollution, ocean dead zones, preventable lifestyle diseases, healthcare

23
00:01:05,580 --> 00:01:09,280
costs, the federal deficit and animal agriculture on

24
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:14,000
a massive unprecedented scale never before seen in

25
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,660
history.

26
00:01:15,300 --> 00:01:20,100
Unchained TV is all over this story.

27
00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,500
And we're going to talk to this gentleman,

28
00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,160
Robert Grillo, the head of Free From Harm,

29
00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,940
before we play the sound of you talking

30
00:01:30,940 --> 00:01:32,420
truth to power.

31
00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,240
Tell us, why did you do this, Robert?

32
00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,040
Hi, Jane, it's great to be with you

33
00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:41,820
on the show.

34
00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:46,040
So our mission is to advance a plant

35
00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,960
-based slaughter-free food system through bold and

36
00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,780
innovative grassroots action.

37
00:01:52,260 --> 00:01:55,100
And that means getting in front of the

38
00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:57,400
power holders, the people that are really making

39
00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,280
the big decisions on the farm bill, which

40
00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,140
will determine the course of the bailout for

41
00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:07,400
the agriculture industry for the next five or

42
00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,039
six years to come.

43
00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:15,200
So it's an incredibly consequential story and process

44
00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,540
to be involved in.

45
00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,200
Well, I want to play you speaking truth

46
00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,020
to power as you put it.

47
00:02:24,020 --> 00:02:26,380
And let me tell you people, for those

48
00:02:26,380 --> 00:02:29,400
who think, oh, it's no big whoop, you

49
00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,820
know, they get in there.

50
00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,220
No, it's gotta be terrifying.

51
00:02:33,540 --> 00:02:34,620
And I want to talk to you about

52
00:02:34,620 --> 00:02:34,840
that.

53
00:02:34,900 --> 00:02:36,420
You're putting yourself on the line.

54
00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:38,600
But first I want to play the clip

55
00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,560
of you at a very recent hearing, speaking

56
00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,460
truth to power.

57
00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:47,560
This is a congressional hearing about the farm

58
00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,480
bill, which as you said, is going to

59
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,080
determine basically the future of our food system

60
00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,320
for the next few years.

61
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,600
We are paying billions of dollars to bail

62
00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,980
out the chicken and egg industry, a $276

63
00:03:02,980 --> 00:03:04,860
billion industry.

64
00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,100
Why are hardworking Americans paid to bail out

65
00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:11,080
this industry?

66
00:03:11,260 --> 00:03:13,240
It is absurd and immoral.

67
00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,900
You have betrayed hardworking constituents in America.

68
00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,100
It's time for a plant-based sustainment for

69
00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:21,500
the future.

70
00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,020
The committee will be in order.

71
00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,680
The committee will be in order.

72
00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:33,660
The committee will stand in resets until the

73
00:03:33,660 --> 00:03:36,380
police can restore order.

74
00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,580
So we invite, by the way, anybody connected

75
00:03:40,580 --> 00:03:43,440
to the animal agriculture industry or the farm

76
00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,640
bill, anybody at all who wants to speak

77
00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,060
about this issue, you are invited on Unchained

78
00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:48,360
TV.

79
00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:49,760
What was that like?

80
00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:50,900
How did you get in there?

81
00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,000
And tell us about the experience.

82
00:03:55,500 --> 00:03:58,340
Well, it was one of the most harrowing,

83
00:03:58,460 --> 00:04:01,180
exhaustive things that we've done.

84
00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,160
And there's so many unpredictable factors.

85
00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,120
So for example, when we got there, the

86
00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,060
hearing started at 11 a.m. When we

87
00:04:10,060 --> 00:04:12,120
got there at nine, there was a line

88
00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,980
out the hearing door all the way down

89
00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:15,339
the hall.

90
00:04:15,339 --> 00:04:17,620
There must've been at least 100 people in

91
00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:17,920
line.

92
00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,700
And we thought to ourselves, okay, we're not

93
00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:23,580
gonna get in because we don't know how

94
00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:24,720
big this hearing room is.

95
00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:27,960
We don't know how fast this line's gonna

96
00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:28,300
move.

97
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,880
We waited hours.

98
00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,240
We waited three hours.

99
00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,320
And then we finally, I said to our

100
00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,400
group, I said, listen, if we are going

101
00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,280
to get into that hearing room, we are

102
00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:39,720
going to have to get in front of

103
00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:40,200
the line.

104
00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:42,200
We are going to have to wait for

105
00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,620
an opportunity for that guard person at the

106
00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:47,460
door to be distracted and go in.

107
00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,540
And that's exactly what happened.

108
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,060
In a split second, this young man was

109
00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:56,740
distracted and five of us slipped in and

110
00:04:56,740 --> 00:04:57,940
found a place to stand.

111
00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,120
Once we got inside, we had to wait

112
00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,420
another couple of hours on our feet because

113
00:05:02,420 --> 00:05:03,560
there were no chairs.

114
00:05:04,420 --> 00:05:06,740
And mind you, this is a public hearing.

115
00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,980
There are supposed to be seats for the

116
00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:09,320
public.

117
00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,160
And when you go into this room, there's

118
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,140
only 60 seats.

119
00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:14,180
And most of them are reserved for lobbyists

120
00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:17,460
and journalists, which we're glad to have journalists

121
00:05:17,460 --> 00:05:17,740
there.

122
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,580
But the lobbyists and the other insiders who

123
00:05:21,580 --> 00:05:24,000
take up these seats do not allow any

124
00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:24,860
room for the public.

125
00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:28,200
So the person like me who comes in

126
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,320
to try to get involved, the attitude there

127
00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,060
is, who are you?

128
00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,400
What do you think you're doing here?

129
00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:35,700
You don't belong here.

130
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,460
There's no chairs for you here.

131
00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:38,640
You can't stand.

132
00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:40,060
You have to find a seat.

133
00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,700
And if you can't find a seat, you

134
00:05:41,700 --> 00:05:42,440
have to go.

135
00:05:42,780 --> 00:05:44,880
So we were harassed, harassed, harassed.

136
00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320
Finally, hearing came back from recess.

137
00:05:49,340 --> 00:05:51,580
G.T. Thompson, the one who banged the

138
00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:54,820
gavel down on us, he started the hearing

139
00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:57,780
and that's when we did our disruptions.

140
00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,560
There were three of us that disrupted the

141
00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,240
process.

142
00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,300
When the gavel goes down, the Capitol Police

143
00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,740
can arrest you or they can give you

144
00:06:06,740 --> 00:06:08,460
a warning and say, you have to leave

145
00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:09,540
or you will be arrested.

146
00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:13,200
In this case, they immediately arrested us.

147
00:06:13,940 --> 00:06:15,340
So there you are.

148
00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,540
And there's one of the other, that's one

149
00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:19,000
of the women who was arrested.

150
00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,740
And do you feel like your message got

151
00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:23,240
through?

152
00:06:23,620 --> 00:06:26,200
I mean, that man you're looking at, he's

153
00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,060
proposing wording in the Farm Bill that would

154
00:06:30,060 --> 00:06:33,380
undo Prop 12, Proposition 12, which was passed

155
00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:37,220
by the voters of California to prevent meat

156
00:06:37,220 --> 00:06:40,440
from tortured pigs from being sold in California.

157
00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,540
We'll tell you more about that in a

158
00:06:42,540 --> 00:06:44,320
second, but he's trying to stick in wording

159
00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,060
there that would completely erase basically all of

160
00:06:50,060 --> 00:06:53,260
the propositions that I personally have collected signatures

161
00:06:53,260 --> 00:06:55,540
for and take us back to an era

162
00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:59,760
where states cannot do any kind of proposition

163
00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,560
or legislation that's gonna interfere with interstate commerce.

164
00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,380
I'm gonna tell you that the Humane League,

165
00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,580
I attended just yesterday, an entire forum run

166
00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:13,380
by the Humane League to get people to

167
00:07:13,380 --> 00:07:15,340
get mobilised.

168
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,140
And you can go to this website, action

169
00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:24,140
.thehumaneleague.org forward slash Farm Bill.

170
00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:26,320
And you can get a whole bunch of

171
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,020
action points so that you can call your

172
00:07:28,020 --> 00:07:28,760
members of Congress.

173
00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:31,300
Yesterday, I called my member of Congress.

174
00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:33,780
I also called the two US senators and

175
00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:37,260
said, do not allow that wording into the

176
00:07:37,260 --> 00:07:40,160
Farm Bill because right now the House and

177
00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,700
the Senate are in their respective processes trying

178
00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:47,480
to figure out what this Farm Bill is

179
00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,060
gonna look like or if they're even gonna

180
00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:51,280
get a Farm Bill done before the end

181
00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:51,760
of the year.

182
00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:54,480
But do you feel that any of the

183
00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,840
people in the room, the power brokers heard

184
00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,040
you, really heard you?

185
00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000
So to answer that question, you kind of

186
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,660
have to understand first, what is our objective

187
00:08:04,660 --> 00:08:05,680
going into this?

188
00:08:06,260 --> 00:08:08,280
What we're engaged in is what they call

189
00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,320
changing the weather activism.

190
00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,700
We are not policy experts.

191
00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:16,600
We are not looking for granular language changes

192
00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,920
to the Farm Bill that will satisfy us.

193
00:08:19,100 --> 00:08:21,480
We are looking to get a message out

194
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,620
about a transition to a plant-based slaughter

195
00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:29,160
-free food system that we feel is urgently

196
00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,840
needed in the future.

197
00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:32,640
And if we wanna see that in the

198
00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,520
future, we have to start demanding it now.

199
00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:39,919
And we need to get that message into

200
00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:40,600
the discourse.

201
00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:44,340
So we insert ourself into the negotiations because

202
00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:47,020
Jane, it's the only way you can be

203
00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:47,480
heard.

204
00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,880
Sure, there are organisations like HSUS that have

205
00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,660
lobbyists and attorneys that can get inside and

206
00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:59,140
get meetings with some of these power holders

207
00:08:59,140 --> 00:08:59,940
in Congress.

208
00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,020
However, they're only gonna be asking for modest

209
00:09:06,020 --> 00:09:06,350
changes.

210
00:09:07,860 --> 00:09:11,360
And the issue I have with, so for

211
00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,160
example, the issue I have with the EATS

212
00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,820
Act is that it's really a symptom of

213
00:09:15,820 --> 00:09:18,740
a much broader underlying problem.

214
00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,700
And that is money in politics.

215
00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:25,860
Because if we didn't have a system where

216
00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:28,660
the meat, dairy and egg industry could pour

217
00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:31,540
hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars

218
00:09:31,540 --> 00:09:35,500
into the election campaigns of these congressional committee

219
00:09:35,500 --> 00:09:38,660
members that are shaping the Farm Bill, we

220
00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:42,480
would not have anything like the EATS Act.

221
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,140
There would be no momentum for industry-led

222
00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:49,660
moves like the EATS Act.

223
00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,700
All it does- Yeah, I hear you.

224
00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,820
And I think we can sort of agree

225
00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:58,420
a little bit to disagree, which is okay.

226
00:09:58,780 --> 00:10:00,880
By the way, people, it's okay for us

227
00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,160
to have a discourse, argument and counter argument

228
00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,000
to reach a higher understanding of the given

229
00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:07,980
subject matter.

230
00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:11,380
But we have to remember our commonalities because

231
00:10:11,380 --> 00:10:13,140
I'll tell you the other side is organised.

232
00:10:13,660 --> 00:10:17,340
They have a very, very organised campaign that

233
00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:19,600
they are waging against the plant-based movement.

234
00:10:20,140 --> 00:10:23,740
Just last week, I interviewed Robbie Lockey, who

235
00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:26,580
has just started a new organisation called the

236
00:10:26,580 --> 00:10:27,780
Freedom Food Alliance.

237
00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:29,900
And as part of that, he issued a

238
00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:33,500
more than 100 page report about the organised

239
00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:35,840
campaign by the meat and dairy industry to

240
00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,200
take down the plant-based movement.

241
00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,720
So I urge everybody.

242
00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,220
Yes, of course.

243
00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,960
For example, Robert Grillo and I are not

244
00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,960
gonna see exactly eye to eye on every

245
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,940
single nuance of this issue, but we are

246
00:10:47,940 --> 00:10:53,160
united in our effort to stop the torture

247
00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,600
and killing of 80 plus billion sentient beings,

248
00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,060
largely for food every year on this planet,

249
00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,320
which is unprecedented in history.

250
00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:03,640
Let me go to the phone lines because

251
00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,740
they're coming in.

252
00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,500
Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas.

253
00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,100
Your question or thought for Robert Grillo of

254
00:11:09,100 --> 00:11:09,740
Free From Harm.

255
00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:16,900
Hi, thanks to Free From Harm for 15

256
00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:21,720
years of abolitionist animal rights work since inception

257
00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:22,680
in 2009.

258
00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,980
It takes a lot of courage and confidence

259
00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:28,220
to do a speak out at the Capitol

260
00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:28,640
Hill.

261
00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:30,180
You spoke for us.

262
00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,780
As taxpayers, we don't want our tax dollars

263
00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:39,160
to fuel the industrial complex of confined, rape,

264
00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:40,280
torture, and kill.

265
00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,640
On the cusp of this bold direct action

266
00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,220
of you and your team, what can we

267
00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:50,840
do from outside of Washington, D.C. to

268
00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,260
support this strategy, Pat?

269
00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:54,440
Good question.

270
00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,200
What can people do to support you?

271
00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,340
So we have a series of workshops where

272
00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:05,240
we're training people to confront their own congressional

273
00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:05,780
reps.

274
00:12:06,020 --> 00:12:09,200
Because listen, everyone's gonna have to eventually vote

275
00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,240
on this farm bill.

276
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,700
So we should be priming our congressional reps

277
00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:18,880
now and demanding that they vote against any

278
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,940
continued bailout of this animal agriculture industry.

279
00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,860
No more bailout money for factory farming.

280
00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:30,900
We want money invested in a plant-based,

281
00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:33,700
slaughter-free food system.

282
00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,060
And we can cite the Environmental Working Group's

283
00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:40,680
recent report that shows this incredible disparity.

284
00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,760
That subsidies to animal agriculture since 1994 are

285
00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:54,560
$59 billion versus, in comparison with, investments in

286
00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,020
plant-based proteins.

287
00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:01,180
Only $121 million, according to this Environmental Working

288
00:13:01,180 --> 00:13:01,840
Group report.

289
00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400
We need to tell our congressional reps that

290
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,780
this is completely unacceptable.

291
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,180
And we demand that they only support a

292
00:13:12,180 --> 00:13:15,200
farm bill that transitions us in the right

293
00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:15,720
direction.

294
00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:18,000
And if they don't wanna listen to our

295
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,360
calls and emails, we must, I can't emphasise

296
00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,860
this enough, we must find ways to get

297
00:13:23,860 --> 00:13:24,540
in front of them.

298
00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:26,520
We must go to their town halls.

299
00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:27,980
We must go to their offices.

300
00:13:28,180 --> 00:13:31,000
We must go to their fundraisers, wherever we

301
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,320
can find them to get face-to-face

302
00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,740
with them and with dignity, in creative ways,

303
00:13:38,180 --> 00:13:39,340
deliver that message.

304
00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,960
Because otherwise, we will be missing an action.

305
00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:47,360
And I hate to say it, but our

306
00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,520
movement is largely missing an action on this

307
00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:50,920
issue.

308
00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,640
Yeah, I would agree.

309
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,400
Paige in Los Angeles, your question or thought

310
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,080
for Robert Grillo of Free From Harm?

311
00:13:59,220 --> 00:14:01,000
Yeah, thank you so much.

312
00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:05,460
So I'm also doing some reading here about

313
00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:07,920
the bird flu problem.

314
00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:10,440
I see that you've spoken a little bit

315
00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,560
about this today too.

316
00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:14,460
Apparently it's getting worse.

317
00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,300
It's spreading 42 cattle herds, et cetera.

318
00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,860
And the government's answer, quote, is to bail

319
00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:24,680
out industrial chicken farming, allowing them to kill

320
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,360
their infected chickens.

321
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,760
Start over with a new batch and pay

322
00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,780
them for their losses.

323
00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:36,240
I don't know anyone, I cannot think of

324
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,400
anyone, I just can't, that would want to

325
00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,180
spend our tax dollars, like my own tax

326
00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:44,400
dollars, going towards this.

327
00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,520
So how do we get this to the

328
00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,700
public since we are supposedly the ones that

329
00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:53,160
have voting power, which are tax dollars?

330
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,340
How does this info, just the general public,

331
00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:58,840
hey, do you realise this is where your

332
00:14:58,840 --> 00:14:59,200
money's going?

333
00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840
Because when I went vegan, there was so

334
00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:02,880
much I didn't know, right?

335
00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,360
The veil's lifted, you hear this from so

336
00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:04,920
many vegans.

337
00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:07,220
What, my money's going to that?

338
00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:09,260
What are your thoughts?

339
00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,060
So yeah, I think that the way we

340
00:15:13,060 --> 00:15:16,060
get popular support for what I agree is

341
00:15:16,060 --> 00:15:20,960
absolutely an issue that almost everybody you talk

342
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,820
to across the political spectrum agrees that hardworking

343
00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:30,280
Americans should not be paying for the problems

344
00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,060
that the industry creates, that animal agriculture creates

345
00:15:34,060 --> 00:15:38,040
these horrendous conditions for animals, and therefore there's

346
00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,380
these disease outbreaks, and the need to exterminate

347
00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:44,260
and dump and get rid of millions of

348
00:15:44,260 --> 00:15:45,200
diseased animals.

349
00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:49,020
That's not the consumer's problems, that's the industry's

350
00:15:49,020 --> 00:15:52,100
problem, and yet they have successfully lobbied Congress

351
00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,000
to get us to pay for this issue.

352
00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:59,560
The way we change the shift of power

353
00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,540
on this is by getting the message out,

354
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,220
and the way we get the message out,

355
00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:09,880
because the media doesn't care about a lot

356
00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,620
of stuff, the only way the media cares

357
00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:15,920
is if you do something bold and dramatic

358
00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,020
and creative, and then they say, yes, we

359
00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:20,020
have to cover this, and then it gets

360
00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:23,540
into their networks and the public sees it,

361
00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,280
and we build more popular support that way.

362
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,440
That's the way that we're choosing and trying

363
00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,560
to build that popular support that we need.

364
00:16:40,990 --> 00:16:46,210
Yeah, and bold, brave actions are needed, like

365
00:16:46,210 --> 00:16:46,670
you're saying.

366
00:16:47,130 --> 00:16:48,910
So what kind of actions can we take?

367
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:54,470
Well, so find out, get to know who

368
00:16:54,470 --> 00:16:56,410
your congressional reps are, find out what their

369
00:16:56,410 --> 00:16:58,470
schedules are like, find out what events they're

370
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:59,890
having or where they're gonna appear.

371
00:17:00,010 --> 00:17:04,589
For example, in Chicago, we think that someone

372
00:17:04,589 --> 00:17:07,790
very prominent on a committee on agriculture or

373
00:17:07,790 --> 00:17:09,349
the Senate committee is going to be at

374
00:17:09,349 --> 00:17:10,190
the pride parade.

375
00:17:10,329 --> 00:17:10,829
Well, guess what?

376
00:17:10,869 --> 00:17:16,170
We're gonna be prepared to confront that person

377
00:17:16,690 --> 00:17:20,109
and demand that they vote no, that they

378
00:17:20,109 --> 00:17:23,230
vote against any measures to continue the bailout

379
00:17:23,230 --> 00:17:26,410
of animal agriculture and to have pride in

380
00:17:26,410 --> 00:17:28,870
plants, be plant proud.

381
00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:31,710
If the message is about pride, then be

382
00:17:31,710 --> 00:17:34,530
plant proud and don't support animal eggs.

383
00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:37,490
So look for these opportunities where you can,

384
00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:39,570
because it's up to Congress.

385
00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:43,510
Congress will eventually vote on all of this

386
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:45,830
money, our money that will be used.

387
00:17:45,890 --> 00:17:47,670
So we have to get in front of

388
00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:49,930
congressional people and we have to find out

389
00:17:49,930 --> 00:17:51,910
where they are and how we can access

390
00:17:51,910 --> 00:17:54,110
them because they can ignore our emails and

391
00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:54,930
phone calls, right?

392
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,300
Jane, you're muted.

393
00:17:58,740 --> 00:17:59,800
Jane, we don't hear you.

394
00:18:01,060 --> 00:18:03,500
Bradley in Arlington, Virginia.

395
00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,840
Your question or thought?

396
00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:08,370
Hi, I apologise.

397
00:18:08,550 --> 00:18:09,570
It's Arlington, Texas.

398
00:18:10,010 --> 00:18:12,890
And we're here like in the heart of

399
00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:15,810
meat eating industry.

400
00:18:16,010 --> 00:18:19,230
I'm a cultural historian who's been a conscientious

401
00:18:19,230 --> 00:18:22,170
food consumer my whole life.

402
00:18:22,170 --> 00:18:24,710
I've defined myself as a vegan before, as

403
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:26,430
a vegetarian before, all these other things.

404
00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:30,810
And I'm definitely for the cause and commend

405
00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:31,930
everybody's work.

406
00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:34,550
But my question, I think, kind of like

407
00:18:34,550 --> 00:18:40,050
stems from my experience early on trying to

408
00:18:40,050 --> 00:18:45,910
be an activist, observing activism in the vegan

409
00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:46,330
movement.

410
00:18:47,170 --> 00:18:49,990
And one of the things I noticed is

411
00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:53,690
that oftentimes people look at us like we're

412
00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:57,890
crazy, like we're just wild, we're overextreme and

413
00:18:57,890 --> 00:19:01,650
we're wanting these absurd ideas, which for a

414
00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:05,130
lot of these people seems to be absurd

415
00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:10,210
because food and culture are so intricately intertwined,

416
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:10,590
right?

417
00:19:11,150 --> 00:19:15,450
Identity and food is so intertwined.

418
00:19:15,550 --> 00:19:17,670
And so I wonder what your thoughts are

419
00:19:18,610 --> 00:19:23,490
to someone who may say, look, these crazy

420
00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:25,930
radicals over here talking about things, going to

421
00:19:25,930 --> 00:19:33,870
the extreme, do observing our activism move these

422
00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:35,490
people further away?

423
00:19:36,190 --> 00:19:37,510
That's a good question.

424
00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:40,030
I'm gonna jump in with, give him an

425
00:19:40,030 --> 00:19:40,990
opportunity to respond.

426
00:19:41,730 --> 00:19:45,730
Does what some people might consider extreme activism

427
00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:48,690
like disrupting a congressional hearing move people away?

428
00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:49,770
Thank you, sir.

429
00:19:49,910 --> 00:19:50,590
No, not at all.

430
00:19:50,830 --> 00:19:53,110
It doesn't, it wakes people up.

431
00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:56,470
Listen, we have to be very careful as

432
00:19:56,470 --> 00:20:01,010
activists or anyone to not be gaslighted by

433
00:20:01,010 --> 00:20:02,870
the powers that be.

434
00:20:03,130 --> 00:20:05,530
And of course, that's the easiest and lowest

435
00:20:05,530 --> 00:20:09,110
blow that they can try to deal to

436
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:11,710
us is to gaslight us, to make us

437
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:14,590
think we're crazy when we have actually a

438
00:20:14,590 --> 00:20:18,950
very common sense demand, which is, listen, we

439
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:20,210
don't agree with this industry.

440
00:20:20,410 --> 00:20:21,570
We don't like what they do.

441
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:22,490
We're against it.

442
00:20:22,550 --> 00:20:24,870
We would like to see animal agriculture end.

443
00:20:25,450 --> 00:20:28,750
However, until that time, the very least we

444
00:20:28,750 --> 00:20:32,190
want is not to use our hardworking money,

445
00:20:32,650 --> 00:20:36,490
tax dollars, to bail this industry out when

446
00:20:36,490 --> 00:20:38,890
it's record, some of the parts of the

447
00:20:38,890 --> 00:20:41,710
industry, like the chicken industries, are experiencing record

448
00:20:41,710 --> 00:20:42,290
profits.

449
00:20:42,290 --> 00:20:43,690
They don't need our money.

450
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:47,290
This is a common sense demand that like

451
00:20:47,290 --> 00:20:50,210
Jane and I said earlier, across the political

452
00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:54,170
spectrum from left to right, people think, yeah,

453
00:20:54,410 --> 00:20:57,410
why should we be paying for an industry

454
00:20:57,410 --> 00:20:58,130
that's profiting?

455
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:59,490
It just makes no sense.

456
00:20:59,970 --> 00:21:02,570
All right, we've got still more people.

457
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:03,990
This has hit a nerve.

458
00:21:04,110 --> 00:21:05,790
So we're gonna run through these calls real

459
00:21:05,790 --> 00:21:07,290
quick because I wanna get to some other

460
00:21:07,290 --> 00:21:07,750
videos.

461
00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:10,670
Sam in Pasadena, your question or thought?

462
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:13,510
Hi, hi, Jane.

463
00:21:13,610 --> 00:21:14,170
Hi, Robert.

464
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:16,770
Thank you for your bold action in Washington,

465
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:19,810
D.C. It was a really badass disruption.

466
00:21:20,130 --> 00:21:22,330
Thank you so much for holding these lawmakers

467
00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:25,210
and legislators accountable and calling them out publicly.

468
00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:27,550
I think it's really important for us animal

469
00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:29,530
rights activists to get involved politically.

470
00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:32,370
Disruptions are an excellent way to get our

471
00:21:32,370 --> 00:21:34,990
representatives' attention and also the media's attention.

472
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:38,150
Could you recommend an advice to us activists,

473
00:21:38,370 --> 00:21:40,230
other methods to act politically?

474
00:21:40,690 --> 00:21:42,750
Where to start and how to get involved

475
00:21:42,750 --> 00:21:43,810
to help the animals?

476
00:21:44,050 --> 00:21:44,610
Thank you.

477
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:47,470
Go for it.

478
00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:50,950
Listen, join our workshops because every month we

479
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:53,070
have a public workshop where we talk about

480
00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:55,930
just all of this, all these different ways

481
00:21:55,930 --> 00:21:58,070
that we can become active and we brainstorm

482
00:21:58,070 --> 00:22:00,830
and we try to help people find their

483
00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:08,230
role and organise their efforts around this idea

484
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:11,450
of what's the worst thing that what's the

485
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:14,030
most heinous part of the bailout?

486
00:22:14,850 --> 00:22:18,050
Almost everyone thinks that, and everyone's very uncomfortable

487
00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:21,630
with this idea that we're paying to get

488
00:22:21,630 --> 00:22:23,930
rid of millions of diseased animals, not just

489
00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:24,330
vegans.

490
00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:27,370
I'm talking about the public at large, that

491
00:22:27,370 --> 00:22:31,910
we're actually paying 100% to bail out

492
00:22:31,910 --> 00:22:34,010
the industry to get rid of diseased animals

493
00:22:34,010 --> 00:22:38,310
and then pay for the hatchery to replace

494
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:41,150
millions of chicks at our expense.

495
00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:44,130
This is a boon for the hatchery industry.

496
00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:46,410
It's actually making the industry more profitable.

497
00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:50,810
So we need to, like I said, I

498
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:52,870
know I sound like a broken record, but

499
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:55,170
we really need, if we're gonna do farm

500
00:22:55,170 --> 00:22:59,050
bill activism from the outside, from the grassroots,

501
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:59,790
right?

502
00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:02,970
We need to find opportunities to get in

503
00:23:02,970 --> 00:23:05,410
front of our congressional reps, to show them

504
00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:08,350
that we will get a face-to-face

505
00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:10,470
with them, whether they agree to a meeting

506
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:11,070
or not.

507
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:13,310
If they wanna have a civil closed door

508
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:16,690
meeting, brilliant, beautiful, we're happy, we're there.

509
00:23:17,010 --> 00:23:18,930
But if they ignore us, we will find

510
00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:19,890
them at their town halls.

511
00:23:20,050 --> 00:23:21,810
We will find them at their fundraisers.

512
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:23,790
We will find them at the people that

513
00:23:23,790 --> 00:23:25,450
they have time for, which are the rich

514
00:23:25,450 --> 00:23:25,890
and wealthy.

515
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:27,990
They have time to go to their parties.

516
00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:30,030
And I've seen the lavish parties in DC.

517
00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:32,890
And believe me, those are on our radar,

518
00:23:32,970 --> 00:23:33,190
right?

519
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:35,030
Because we wanna get into these parties.

520
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:39,630
We want to bust open this cosy relationship

521
00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:43,450
between the meat, dairy and egg industry elites

522
00:23:43,450 --> 00:23:46,130
and our Congress people that they are trying

523
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:47,370
to buy outright.

524
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:52,070
All right, let's go to our next caller.

525
00:23:52,330 --> 00:23:53,390
We're gonna move these along.

526
00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:55,930
Quick question, Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question

527
00:23:55,930 --> 00:23:56,410
or thought.

528
00:23:56,590 --> 00:23:57,930
And then after that, we're gonna head to

529
00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:59,130
Steve in Dallas, Texas.

530
00:23:59,230 --> 00:23:59,790
Go for it.

531
00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:02,030
Thank you, Jane.

532
00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:05,670
And thank you, Robert, for all that you

533
00:24:05,670 --> 00:24:06,050
do.

534
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:08,730
And I had the pleasure of joining one

535
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:11,190
of your disruptions about a month ago in

536
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:11,750
West LA.

537
00:24:12,030 --> 00:24:14,150
And I learned so much from the organisers.

538
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:18,210
And I was just reading DXC founder Wayne,

539
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:20,790
whose song's recent newsletter.

540
00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:23,810
And he was writing about how he believes

541
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:27,490
mass change will, the most that we can

542
00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:29,350
do for mass change is willing to get

543
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:29,830
arrested.

544
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:32,170
When people see mass people getting arrested.

545
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:34,790
So I was just wondering what your thoughts

546
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:35,570
are about that.

547
00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:40,230
Yeah, and I'll just say that the arrests

548
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:43,750
that we experienced was a minor inconvenience compared

549
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:48,130
to the day long gruelling wait, the five

550
00:24:48,130 --> 00:24:50,030
hour wait on our feet with nowhere to

551
00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:52,970
sit in the Longworth building, waiting for this

552
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:54,590
hearing, waiting to get into this hearing.

553
00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:58,090
That was the hard part was all the

554
00:24:58,090 --> 00:25:01,330
anxiety, the unknowns that, whether we were even

555
00:25:01,330 --> 00:25:03,170
gonna get into this hearing room.

556
00:25:03,790 --> 00:25:06,010
Once we were arrested, it was a couple

557
00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:08,110
of hours of being detained and waiting for

558
00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:10,830
the police report to be written and paying

559
00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:13,290
a $35 fine and getting released.

560
00:25:13,450 --> 00:25:16,990
It was really a minor inconvenience, I would

561
00:25:16,990 --> 00:25:17,490
call it.

562
00:25:18,090 --> 00:25:19,130
Now what Wayne has- We don't have

563
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:19,870
to go to court.

564
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:21,730
We don't have to.

565
00:25:21,790 --> 00:25:24,390
We could have chosen a court date if

566
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:26,970
we wanted to, but we decided to just

567
00:25:26,970 --> 00:25:30,290
wait, forfeit it and pay the $35 fine

568
00:25:30,290 --> 00:25:31,610
because I don't live in DC.

569
00:25:32,050 --> 00:25:34,210
So for me, it made sense, right?

570
00:25:34,370 --> 00:25:35,450
And for the others too.

571
00:25:36,410 --> 00:25:38,230
But so what Wayne is facing is a

572
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:40,590
very different set of circumstances, right?

573
00:25:40,690 --> 00:25:45,250
I mean, he and his activist team, they've

574
00:25:45,250 --> 00:25:50,090
faced felony charges and the prospect of many

575
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:51,010
years in jail.

576
00:25:51,810 --> 00:25:56,090
So I certainly want to contextualise that, right?

577
00:25:56,150 --> 00:26:00,290
Because the risk we took was minor in

578
00:26:00,290 --> 00:26:04,130
comparison to going into a farm, doing open

579
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:08,310
rescue and facing charges like some of the

580
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:10,250
DXC folks have faced.

581
00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:12,530
Okay, we're gonna go to another caller.

582
00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:15,990
Let's jump to Steve in Dallas, Texas.

583
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:19,890
Your question or thought for our amazing activists

584
00:26:19,890 --> 00:26:22,070
today, Robert Grillo from Free From Harm.

585
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,960
Yes, wanted to say thank you so much

586
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,440
for bringing awareness to this issue.

587
00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:37,480
The farm bill has such huge impact on

588
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,120
animal lives and a lot of people aren't

589
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:40,960
tuned into it.

590
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:42,560
So thank you so much for raising awareness

591
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,460
about it and helping organise us.

592
00:26:46,420 --> 00:26:48,480
I also wanted to mention, thank you for

593
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,560
doing what you did to raise awareness to

594
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:50,740
this.

595
00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:53,340
I wanted to just comment a little bit

596
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,880
on the previous caller, he mentioned disruptions.

597
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,580
Disruptions have been very effective right here in

598
00:26:59,580 --> 00:26:59,860
Texas.

599
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,340
I'm from the Dallas area.

600
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:06,200
Activists here in Texas have had success doing

601
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,880
direct action against circuses, fur stores, puppy mills,

602
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:10,620
foie gras restaurants.

603
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:13,620
We have had success just here from what

604
00:27:13,620 --> 00:27:14,280
I have witnessed.

605
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,800
It does work.

606
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,540
Movement, strike in many different ways.

607
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,980
You can look to history.

608
00:27:23,660 --> 00:27:27,380
So I think what you're doing can be

609
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:30,100
very effective and thank you so much for

610
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,280
addressing this farm bill.

611
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,660
Yeah, thank you.

612
00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:38,560
And I wanna play another clip because yes,

613
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,840
that one disruption at the House Agriculture Committee

614
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,460
hearing on the farm bill was pretty extraordinary,

615
00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:47,460
but that's not their only disruption.

616
00:27:48,020 --> 00:27:51,040
So I'm gonna play another one that occurred.

617
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,360
Watch it and then we're gonna talk about

618
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,220
it on the other side.

619
00:27:55,300 --> 00:27:56,620
It's pretty dramatic.

620
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,360
Dollars bailing out the chicken and egg industry

621
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,260
for a bird flu nightmare that they created.

622
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640
The USDA's mission is to create safe and

623
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,800
nutritious foods.

624
00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:11,860
Yet instead, you are the chicken industry's puppet,

625
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:16,320
protecting an industry, making record profits and betraying

626
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,280
America's health and safety.

627
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,680
This industry forces billions of birds to live

628
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,200
in squalid confinement, perfect conditions for new pandemics

629
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,820
with a constant supply of new hosts.

630
00:28:31,260 --> 00:28:33,340
As I said on an earlier occasion-

631
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:35,320
Defund factory farms!

632
00:28:35,620 --> 00:28:37,520
Defund factory farms!

633
00:28:50,420 --> 00:28:50,760
Where are we going?

634
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:51,860
Okay.

635
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:57,500
Stop the bird flu bailout.

636
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Not another penny.

637
00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:08,540
Where are we going?

638
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,340
Oh, darn.

639
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Stop the bird flu, I'm sorry, stop the

640
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,680
bird flu bailout, stop the bird flu bailout,

641
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:22,780
stop the bird flu bailout.

642
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,940
So there you are, it's the USDA Secretary

643
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:31,600
Tom Vilsack who is speaking, wow.

644
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:34,760
And that was a press club here meeting,

645
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:37,020
so therefore there was a lot of media,

646
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,800
but you know, I couldn't find that much

647
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,020
coverage of it, which leads me to the

648
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:45,340
next issue is that the media is completely

649
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:49,180
complicit and is essentially bought and paid for

650
00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:51,520
because look at the advertisers, fast food and

651
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,400
pharmaceuticals.

652
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,080
The media is afraid to cover this, they're

653
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,180
afraid to cover the issues because they know

654
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:59,640
how powerful the industries are.

655
00:29:59,740 --> 00:30:01,360
But I want to point out something that

656
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,420
Vilsack said, I'm not sure if you heard

657
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:05,040
it, in response to the protesters.

658
00:30:05,780 --> 00:30:08,380
He said, isn't it wonderful that we live

659
00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:10,620
in a democracy where people have freedom of

660
00:30:10,620 --> 00:30:10,960
speech?

661
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:12,080
Something to that effect.

662
00:30:12,860 --> 00:30:15,760
And now my response to him is, isn't

663
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,560
it ironic that you are championing democracy when

664
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,160
the food system that you are overseeing could

665
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:27,520
not be less democratic and more elitist, allowing

666
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:33,520
money and influence to control the food system

667
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,540
against the better wishes of the American people,

668
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,660
animals, the planet, climate crisis, everything that matters

669
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:43,700
to us.

670
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160
You are overseeing one of the most authoritarian

671
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,740
type of industries and you are allowing them

672
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:53,300
to control it against our wishes.

673
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,320
That's what I'd love to tell him in

674
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,000
response to that.

675
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,660
Yeah, it's corporate socialism.

676
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,980
That's the irony is bailing out these massive

677
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:03,820
corporations and some of them are even owned

678
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:07,140
by American individuals.

679
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,780
I mean, Smithfield Food is owned by a

680
00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:13,360
Chinese corporation, it's the largest producer in the

681
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:13,560
world.

682
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,380
It's owned by a Chinese corporation.

683
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Like why are we bailing out animal agriculture

684
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,400
with our tax dollars?

685
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,860
So it's really very interesting that people who

686
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:28,000
talk about free market, this isn't a free

687
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,420
market.

688
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,050
It's corporate socialism.

689
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:31,500
All right.

690
00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:32,560
Let's continue on.

691
00:31:32,660 --> 00:31:32,800
Wow.

692
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,260
We've got so many callers.

693
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:36,020
We're going to run through them quick.

694
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,700
So Emick in Los Angeles, quick question or

695
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:38,900
thought.

696
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:39,360
Thank you.

697
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,180
Hi.

698
00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:42,060
Hello.

699
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,620
Hi, Jane.

700
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:44,340
Hi, Robert.

701
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:45,680
Thank you so much.

702
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,980
Great action.

703
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:50,460
So the farm bill may be a local

704
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:53,480
issue in the United States, but animal agriculture

705
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
is a global problem that everybody has to

706
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,500
join.

707
00:31:57,260 --> 00:31:59,820
And I just watched Christ within it was

708
00:31:59,820 --> 00:32:01,260
really inspiring for me.

709
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:04,180
I'm wondering if you could get together with

710
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:08,260
the religious leaders to start a global movement

711
00:32:08,260 --> 00:32:10,320
around this, or if you know of anything

712
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,980
like that.

713
00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:12,540
Thank you very much.

714
00:32:12,900 --> 00:32:13,460
Thank you.

715
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:13,740
Yeah.

716
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Religious leaders.

717
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,460
Yeah, go ahead.

718
00:32:18,170 --> 00:32:19,600
That's a great question.

719
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,280
And I wish I had a good answer,

720
00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:24,220
but I will say what our strategy is

721
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:27,040
for the reason why we focus on bird

722
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,440
flu, the reason why we focus on the

723
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,960
farm bill is because it's in the news

724
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,800
cycle because it's a story we want to

725
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,140
insert ourselves into stories that are relevant to

726
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:43,120
our demands, to our message of wanting a

727
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,300
just transition to a plant-based slaughter-free

728
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:45,960
food system.

729
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,880
If you find in your country opportunities, stories

730
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
in the news to do this, then I

731
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,640
would say seize the moment and we'll help

732
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,680
you if we can from afar to organise

733
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,040
an effort to get attention by power holders

734
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,560
and get your message out to them and

735
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,420
to the public, right?

736
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:10,640
Because ultimately what we're doing here is trying

737
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,440
to build popular support for a movement, not

738
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,280
just vegans, but beyond that, because we need

739
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,820
three to 5%, right?

740
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,640
And we think we have a vast potential

741
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,520
for support for not bailing out the animal

742
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,500
agriculture industry.

743
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,260
All right.

744
00:33:29,340 --> 00:33:30,600
Let's get to some other callers.

745
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Steve in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought?

746
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:39,150
How about Matt?

747
00:33:39,150 --> 00:33:41,850
Matt in Franklin, Indiana, your question or thought?

748
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:42,890
Yes.

749
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:43,550
Yes.

750
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:43,930
Hello.

751
00:33:44,410 --> 00:33:47,670
Yeah, I'm very outraged over this whole thing,

752
00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:50,630
you know, bailing out the animal agriculture industry.

753
00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:54,150
And I just wanted to ask Robert his

754
00:33:54,150 --> 00:33:59,130
thoughts on, you know, this whole thing with

755
00:33:59,130 --> 00:34:02,810
the current crisis we have with basically the

756
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:07,469
animal agriculture industry, basically getting all of these,

757
00:34:07,469 --> 00:34:11,110
you know, capitalising on these, you know, migrants

758
00:34:11,110 --> 00:34:15,130
that, you know, are basically just capitalising on,

759
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:18,730
you know, what they're going through, you know,

760
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:21,810
trying to, you know, seek refuge, you know,

761
00:34:21,870 --> 00:34:25,969
and, you know, basically the government using them

762
00:34:25,969 --> 00:34:29,210
as like pawns, you know, to continue this

763
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:32,489
vicious cycle of violence to non-human animals.

764
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:33,989
And I just wanted to know your thoughts

765
00:34:33,989 --> 00:34:34,449
on that.

766
00:34:34,449 --> 00:34:34,889
Wow.

767
00:34:34,989 --> 00:34:36,830
That's a really good question because there's been

768
00:34:36,830 --> 00:34:40,170
a lot of reporting about how really those

769
00:34:40,170 --> 00:34:41,989
who are forced to do the killing are

770
00:34:41,989 --> 00:34:45,110
at the lowest end of the economic scale.

771
00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:48,429
So you have migrants, there are scandals involving

772
00:34:48,429 --> 00:34:52,989
children, underage labour being used in factory farming,

773
00:34:53,150 --> 00:34:56,370
particularly in slaughterhouses, as well as prisoners just

774
00:34:56,370 --> 00:35:00,110
released from prison who end up being funnelled

775
00:35:00,110 --> 00:35:02,830
to factory farms and slaughterhouses.

776
00:35:02,830 --> 00:35:04,430
Take it away, Robert Grillo.

777
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:08,490
Yeah, I mean, the worker exploitation component is

778
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,890
just yet another component to our case against

779
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:14,650
the industry with the reason why we shouldn't

780
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:15,710
be bailing them out.

781
00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:22,130
So workers, communities, public health and safety, animals,

782
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:25,890
climate crisis, all of these things bolster our

783
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:28,730
case for why we should not, at the

784
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:31,030
very least, right, not the most we can

785
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:32,630
do, but the very least we should not

786
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:36,110
be paying to bail out this industry, which,

787
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:38,670
by the way, doesn't want to see bailouts

788
00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:39,950
for any other industries.

789
00:35:40,110 --> 00:35:41,930
They don't want to see welfare programmes for

790
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:45,730
poor Americans, but they're fine already billionaires taking

791
00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:48,810
our money to bail them out for things

792
00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:50,310
that they can actually afford.

793
00:35:51,090 --> 00:35:53,350
And this, you know, so the worker component

794
00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:54,590
here is important.

795
00:35:54,950 --> 00:36:00,730
And there's connections between how humans and workers

796
00:36:00,730 --> 00:36:04,510
are animalised, you know, basically treated like animals.

797
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:06,790
They often say that they feel like they're

798
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:08,030
being treated like animals.

799
00:36:08,330 --> 00:36:12,230
So the parallels are striking and disturbing.

800
00:36:12,570 --> 00:36:14,690
It really is so disturbing.

801
00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:17,570
And what I find the most disturbing is

802
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:22,310
the blindness, the wilful blindness of people who

803
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:28,390
are otherwise environmentalists, feminists for equal rights, for

804
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:30,130
civil rights, for all sorts of rights.

805
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,330
And yet they don't see the connection to

806
00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:35,650
what's happening in the animal agriculture industry is

807
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:39,610
is the ultimate exploitation of humans and animals

808
00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:40,630
and the environment.

809
00:36:41,210 --> 00:36:42,770
And we're going to be paying a price

810
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:46,610
increasingly as extreme weather becomes more and more

811
00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:47,790
of an everyday phenomenon.

812
00:36:47,790 --> 00:36:48,690
All right.

813
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:51,070
I think we're going to go to Annie

814
00:36:51,070 --> 00:36:51,970
in Sherman Oaks.

815
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:53,850
If you're still there, Annie, take it away.

816
00:36:55,230 --> 00:36:56,570
Hi, thank you, Jane.

817
00:36:56,730 --> 00:36:57,550
Thank you, Robert.

818
00:36:57,790 --> 00:37:00,930
I'm honoured to say that I've done activism

819
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,390
with you and organised.

820
00:37:03,230 --> 00:37:05,250
And one of the things I have to

821
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:07,790
say is that people always want to choose

822
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:12,790
food or the social veganism over activism.

823
00:37:13,090 --> 00:37:14,970
We are at a time that we can

824
00:37:14,970 --> 00:37:16,630
not only afford doing that.

825
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:18,790
I'm more than happy to do tabling.

826
00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:21,490
I'm more than happy to do social veganism.

827
00:37:21,590 --> 00:37:24,770
However, we all need to organise and do

828
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:25,510
activism.

829
00:37:25,870 --> 00:37:28,250
We don't have a choice as vegans.

830
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,190
We need to speak up and do it

831
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:33,750
directly because we're ignored in every level.

832
00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:36,670
We do signing, we do letters, we do

833
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:37,110
everything.

834
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:39,890
But one of the things that is most

835
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:42,350
effective, the reason we're having this conversation today

836
00:37:42,350 --> 00:37:46,990
is because of Robert's amazing, incredible, heroic bravery.

837
00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:50,170
So people, I encourage you, please, we need

838
00:37:50,170 --> 00:37:50,630
your help.

839
00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:52,910
We have very few people showing up anytime

840
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:53,850
we do activism.

841
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:56,930
And what is the outcome?

842
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:58,270
This is about the world.

843
00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:00,050
This is not only about us.

844
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:01,890
This is not about only the food.

845
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:04,170
It's about suffering of the animals, suffering of

846
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:04,330
the humans.

847
00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,670
You're making excellent points, Annie.

848
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:09,550
And I think if I had to summarise

849
00:38:09,550 --> 00:38:13,230
it, I would say veganism is not a

850
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:13,970
social club.

851
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:16,630
It's not just about going to great restaurants.

852
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:18,290
Hey, I went to a great vegan restaurant

853
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:18,870
last night.

854
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:19,670
That's wonderful.

855
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:22,090
But it's not just about that.

856
00:38:22,270 --> 00:38:25,510
It's about being an activist because we're a

857
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:27,590
very small percentage of the population.

858
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:29,850
So we need to be out there going

859
00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:31,050
in the discomfort zone.

860
00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:34,710
You know, I wrote a song about how

861
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:36,130
protesting is a grind.

862
00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:39,830
You know, nobody particularly enjoys it, but it's

863
00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:41,370
what moves the needle.

864
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:42,370
Yeah.

865
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:45,150
Can I can I respond to something that

866
00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:45,770
Annie said?

867
00:38:45,890 --> 00:38:47,170
By the way, it's nice to have you

868
00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:48,050
on the call, Annie.

869
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:51,430
Thank you for your kind words and also

870
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:53,630
participating in some of the work we've done

871
00:38:53,630 --> 00:38:57,290
in L.A. So, you know, I think

872
00:38:57,290 --> 00:39:00,110
one of the biggest obstacles to activism is

873
00:39:00,110 --> 00:39:02,230
people thinking that they can't make a difference,

874
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:04,890
that they will say there's many variations on

875
00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:08,130
this, that power holders, you know, congressional people

876
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:10,510
don't care, we can't get them to care

877
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:12,730
or that you can't fight city hall.

878
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:14,470
You've heard that one a lot or that,

879
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:16,070
you know, you just can't fight corruption.

880
00:39:16,930 --> 00:39:19,930
Now, I want to say there's there's a

881
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:21,350
couple of ways to respond to this.

882
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:23,150
But one of the most important is that

883
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:26,630
it's false, that it ignores the examples all

884
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:29,870
around us that we have of power, people

885
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:33,510
power, grassroots movements that shift power in the

886
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:36,270
right direction, like Black Lives Matter.

887
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:41,130
And so we have to we have to

888
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:43,610
believe that that that change is possible through

889
00:39:43,610 --> 00:39:45,050
people powered movements.

890
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,210
It is also think about what a position

891
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:51,030
of privilege it is to say that you

892
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:53,330
can't change powerful people.

893
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:56,750
It think about all of the other movements

894
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:57,750
that have done this.

895
00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:00,930
All of the privileges and freedoms and rights

896
00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:02,130
that we enjoy.

897
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:06,010
We enjoy the labour of others, the blood,

898
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,430
sweat and tears of other activists, of other

899
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:11,370
generations that fought for the rights that we

900
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:11,790
enjoy.

901
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:15,030
So we should never, ever forget that and

902
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:17,370
realise that the struggle continues today.

903
00:40:17,590 --> 00:40:21,450
And the food system is ground zero for

904
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:24,390
that struggle because so much depends, so much

905
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:26,810
hinges on what happens to the future of

906
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:27,550
our food system.

907
00:40:28,110 --> 00:40:30,470
Well, let's talk a little bit now, take

908
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:31,830
a break from some of the callers and

909
00:40:31,830 --> 00:40:35,430
talk about what is actually happening to the

910
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:35,910
Farm Bill.

911
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:38,250
You have the House, you have the Senate.

912
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:39,590
You've got committees.

913
00:40:40,290 --> 00:40:42,070
Where exactly do we stand?

914
00:40:42,970 --> 00:40:47,790
And pointing out that while they're supposed to

915
00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:50,530
resolve all this in September, they really have

916
00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:52,350
until the end of the year to resolve

917
00:40:52,350 --> 00:40:52,550
it.

918
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:55,510
And there's some very, very pernicious wording that

919
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:57,650
has been stuck in some of the proposed

920
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:59,690
Farm Bill legislation.

921
00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:00,410
Take it away.

922
00:41:02,050 --> 00:41:04,670
Well, so we have, you know, we're going

923
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:06,690
to have there's going to be the House

924
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:10,190
version of the Farm Bill and there's going

925
00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:11,290
to be the Senate version.

926
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:16,430
The House version is steered by Thompson, Representative

927
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:18,850
Thompson, a big Republican and many of his

928
00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:21,290
Republican fans and on the committee.

929
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:25,830
And the Senate side is controlled by Democrats.

930
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:28,890
The leader, Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.

931
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:30,690
She's the senator of Michigan.

932
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:33,490
So the big difference here is one of

933
00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:36,630
the big differences is the Democrats are focused

934
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:39,750
on what they call a crop insurance programme,

935
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:41,730
which is, I don't know, maybe a trillion

936
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:42,990
dollars or something.

937
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:43,750
It's huge.

938
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:47,350
And what the crop insurance means is that

939
00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:49,550
if a farmer has a crop failure, that

940
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,670
the government will come in and pay them

941
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:54,110
a fair price for for their loss.

942
00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:57,270
OK, the problem with the crop insurance programme

943
00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:02,210
is that it excludes all but feed for

944
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:02,790
livestock.

945
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:05,850
So if you grow corn and soy and

946
00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:07,690
alfalfa, you're golden.

947
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:09,810
You're part of that crop insurance programme.

948
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:11,050
You'll benefit from it.

949
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:14,930
But if you grow vegetables, grains, seeds, nuts,

950
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:17,390
mushrooms, you're exempt.

951
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:21,170
So all they're doing, both versions are terrible.

952
00:42:21,450 --> 00:42:24,330
All of they're doing is incentivising the growth

953
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:25,530
of animal agriculture.

954
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:33,250
And and the plant based alternative plant based

955
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:33,850
protein.

956
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:35,930
They're not incentivising.

957
00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:37,550
They're not funding at all.

958
00:42:37,690 --> 00:42:40,470
So both versions are totally messed up.

959
00:42:40,750 --> 00:42:42,430
We don't endorse either one.

960
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:45,550
We simply are using the Farm Bill negotiations

961
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:49,630
to get attention on a different path forward,

962
00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:51,270
which is, of course, a plant based slaughter

963
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:52,030
free food system.

964
00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:52,790
All right.

965
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:55,510
I want to jump in because yesterday I

966
00:42:55,510 --> 00:43:01,030
attended a very effective humane lead forum online

967
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:05,990
where the humanely basically got everybody to call

968
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:09,410
and or email their respective member of Congress.

969
00:43:09,630 --> 00:43:11,770
In my case, it's Ted Lieu.

970
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:13,010
And a senator.

971
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:17,110
And I I actually contacted both of my

972
00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:18,210
senators offices.

973
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:21,330
And I spoke to three people, then the

974
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:25,070
representative for Ted Lieu, the congressman, as well

975
00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:27,430
as the representatives for our two U.S.

976
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:28,490
senators here in California.

977
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:30,410
You can do this, too.

978
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:31,970
And it was very effective.

979
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:34,650
And essentially, there's a very short script.

980
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:36,850
It's what you said, Robert.

981
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:41,430
It's the version that Thompson is putting out.

982
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:47,350
Has language in it that would basically invalidate

983
00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:51,630
any state's attempt to improve animal welfare, for

984
00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:52,130
example.

985
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:53,910
And the reason I'm putting this up is

986
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:56,410
that put your phones on this QR code,

987
00:43:56,590 --> 00:43:58,130
which is what I did yesterday.

988
00:43:58,170 --> 00:44:02,210
And it literally sends you to an entire

989
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:06,850
page where it makes it very easy for

990
00:44:06,850 --> 00:44:08,790
you to contact your senators and your members

991
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:09,350
of Congress.

992
00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:12,630
So I'm urging everybody, if you're watching this,

993
00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:17,830
if you're listening, go to action.thehumaneleague.org

994
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:19,810
forward slash Farm Bill.

995
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:21,150
I'll say it one more time.

996
00:44:21,810 --> 00:44:27,070
Action.thehumaneleague.org forward slash Farm Bill.

997
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:29,850
If you're watching, put your phone in front

998
00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:30,770
of this QR code.

999
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:33,750
It will take you right to a an

1000
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:36,550
action page where it's very easy for you

1001
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:37,330
to make those calls.

1002
00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:39,250
And I have to say, you know, there's

1003
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:41,770
so much cynicism, but I spoke to three

1004
00:44:41,770 --> 00:44:42,170
people.

1005
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:43,750
I didn't leave voicemails.

1006
00:44:43,850 --> 00:44:45,450
Well, I did leave a message, but then

1007
00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:47,590
I call back and I hit another button

1008
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:49,090
that allowed me to talk to a person.

1009
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:52,350
And, you know, I got really I had

1010
00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:53,010
an interaction.

1011
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:55,010
It wasn't just like, yeah, yeah, you know,

1012
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:56,110
zip code.

1013
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:58,190
They asked me, OK, so tell me the

1014
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:58,890
wording again.

1015
00:44:59,010 --> 00:45:00,570
What's the objectionable wording?

1016
00:45:01,170 --> 00:45:03,210
I will make sure that blah, blah, blah.

1017
00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:06,010
What you're basically saying is you don't want

1018
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:08,310
any language in the House or the Senate

1019
00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:11,630
version that tries to interfere with the rights

1020
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:15,410
of states to create laws to protect animals

1021
00:45:16,090 --> 00:45:18,490
used for food or for anything else.

1022
00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:22,450
So in the United States, you know, we

1023
00:45:22,450 --> 00:45:23,330
have states' rights.

1024
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:25,670
And ironically, the people who are already always

1025
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:27,790
arguing for states' rights are now trying to

1026
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:31,870
eliminate the right of states to create laws

1027
00:45:31,870 --> 00:45:36,690
and propositions such as Proposition 12 that will

1028
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:37,950
protect animals.

1029
00:45:38,330 --> 00:45:40,850
So again, take your phone and put it

1030
00:45:40,850 --> 00:45:42,870
on this QR code and get active.

1031
00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:44,950
It's actually a lot of fun.

1032
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:48,230
And, you know, you can also take a

1033
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:51,070
snapshot of this QR code if you're not

1034
00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:52,590
in the mood to do it right this

1035
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:52,930
second.

1036
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:53,990
But take a snapshot.

1037
00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:54,810
That's what I did.

1038
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:55,570
I took a snapshot.

1039
00:45:55,770 --> 00:45:58,070
Then I went into the snapshot and I

1040
00:45:58,070 --> 00:45:59,150
followed it.

1041
00:45:59,150 --> 00:46:00,790
And it was really easy.

1042
00:46:00,910 --> 00:46:01,530
And you know what?

1043
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:03,610
It made me feel good because here I

1044
00:46:03,610 --> 00:46:05,130
am watching Robert Grillo.

1045
00:46:05,450 --> 00:46:08,250
I'm watching Robert Grillo get arrested and I'm

1046
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:09,230
thinking, what am I doing?

1047
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:12,410
But then after I made those calls and

1048
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:15,110
I had conversations with my member of Congress,

1049
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:18,250
Ted Lieu's office, as well as the two

1050
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:21,530
senators from California's offices, I felt better and

1051
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:22,930
I felt, well, I'm doing something.

1052
00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:25,430
I try never to ask people to do

1053
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:27,350
things that I don't want to do myself.

1054
00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:28,970
It's not difficult.

1055
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:29,790
It's easy.

1056
00:46:30,010 --> 00:46:30,650
Go ahead, Robert.

1057
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:32,490
If I can just say a few things

1058
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:33,310
in response to that.

1059
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:35,530
So let's just say it's all good.

1060
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:37,810
And it's a very important thing for.

1061
00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:41,090
Yeah, I completely agree that states should have

1062
00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:43,890
independent rights over certain legislation.

1063
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:47,870
Let's say that the EATS Act does get

1064
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:49,930
defeated and all of these groups like the

1065
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:52,610
Humane League can claim victory and say, wow,

1066
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:54,230
we defeated the EATS Act.

1067
00:46:54,970 --> 00:46:56,010
That's wonderful.

1068
00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:59,230
And it's it's like stopping Sisyphus from sliding

1069
00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:00,410
further down the hill.

1070
00:47:00,530 --> 00:47:00,750
Right.

1071
00:47:00,990 --> 00:47:03,090
Because we got him up to a certain

1072
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:05,890
point with some at least some basic protections

1073
00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:07,630
for animals and Prop 12.

1074
00:47:07,930 --> 00:47:09,610
Some some would argue very modest.

1075
00:47:10,290 --> 00:47:11,590
Others would say very significant.

1076
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:14,870
But whatever you believe, we stop Sisyphus from

1077
00:47:14,870 --> 00:47:16,210
sliding down the mountain.

1078
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:16,630
Right.

1079
00:47:16,890 --> 00:47:18,610
By by defeating the EATS Act.

1080
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:23,170
However, the underlying problem of money in politics

1081
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:24,470
still exists.

1082
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:27,030
And there will be other attempts like the

1083
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:29,970
EATS Act that are just as pernicious until

1084
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:34,630
we address properly the problem with money in

1085
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:35,110
politics.

1086
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:37,210
And I know it sounds like a big

1087
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:38,690
issue, but guess what?

1088
00:47:39,010 --> 00:47:43,250
Many other groups and movements are also confronting

1089
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:43,650
this.

1090
00:47:43,970 --> 00:47:46,630
We can this is an opportunity to collaborate

1091
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:50,370
with other social movements on getting money out

1092
00:47:50,370 --> 00:47:50,930
of politics.

1093
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:54,610
If we do it successfully, we cut out

1094
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:57,930
a lot of this power and influence from

1095
00:47:57,930 --> 00:47:59,910
the meat industry, which is what we want.

1096
00:48:00,950 --> 00:48:03,410
OK, I agree with you, but I in

1097
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:05,490
the sense that it's not mutually exclusive.

1098
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:09,010
You can fight specific, pernicious elements of a

1099
00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:09,170
bill.

1100
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:10,770
You could also fight the whole idea of

1101
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:13,070
money in in politics.

1102
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:14,970
So do it.

1103
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:15,690
Do it all.

1104
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:16,970
Do it all.

1105
00:48:17,490 --> 00:48:18,530
Do it all.

1106
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:22,730
We choose to focus on calling out the

1107
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:25,070
corruption that exists that even makes things like

1108
00:48:25,070 --> 00:48:28,710
the EATS Act possible and calling for a

1109
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:31,870
future where we transition to a plant based

1110
00:48:31,870 --> 00:48:32,610
food system.

1111
00:48:32,970 --> 00:48:36,090
We want to get that vision out to

1112
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:37,850
the public and to the power holders.

1113
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,030
Let me tell you what a David Goliath

1114
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:40,990
battle we're in.

1115
00:48:41,330 --> 00:48:45,430
The World Bank recently issued a report that

1116
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:49,410
essentially encouraged governments around the world to stop

1117
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:53,770
subsidising meat and dairy and start subsidising alternative

1118
00:48:53,770 --> 00:48:54,750
proteins more.

1119
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:57,930
Now you think, wow, that's a big, big

1120
00:48:57,930 --> 00:48:58,210
thing.

1121
00:48:58,290 --> 00:49:02,590
World Bank, very powerful entity that funds to

1122
00:49:02,590 --> 00:49:05,290
the billions of dollars and has a lot

1123
00:49:05,290 --> 00:49:05,750
of clout.

1124
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:06,710
Well, guess what?

1125
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:08,050
Nobody picked up on the story.

1126
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:10,410
I mean, I had to go to Green

1127
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:10,950
Queen.

1128
00:49:11,530 --> 00:49:14,230
Shout out for Green Queen to get this

1129
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:14,910
story.

1130
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:21,550
I'm looking, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, New York

1131
00:49:21,550 --> 00:49:21,790
Times.

1132
00:49:21,870 --> 00:49:22,750
I didn't see it anywhere.

1133
00:49:23,110 --> 00:49:24,590
This is the problem.

1134
00:49:25,050 --> 00:49:26,830
I'll give you another example.

1135
00:49:27,790 --> 00:49:30,450
Last year, the New York Times did this

1136
00:49:30,450 --> 00:49:32,910
article, Save the Planet, put down that hamburger.

1137
00:49:33,450 --> 00:49:36,050
Researchers examined the diets of 55,000 people

1138
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:38,210
and found that vegans are responsible for 75

1139
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:41,470
% less in greenhouse gas emissions than meat

1140
00:49:41,470 --> 00:49:41,750
eaters.

1141
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:45,730
Put another way, if everybody went vegan, they

1142
00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:49,670
would reduce collectively the world's greenhouse gas emissions

1143
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:50,850
by 75%.

1144
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:52,030
Wow.

1145
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:54,390
That's an answer to the climate crisis.

1146
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:55,850
Headlines, right?

1147
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:56,190
No.

1148
00:49:56,990 --> 00:49:59,370
That story did not get prominence and nobody

1149
00:49:59,370 --> 00:49:59,950
picked it up.

1150
00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:01,170
I looked for it on CNN.

1151
00:50:01,370 --> 00:50:02,870
I looked for it on MSNBC.

1152
00:50:03,210 --> 00:50:04,370
Did not get picked up.

1153
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:07,610
So the truth is you're not getting the

1154
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:08,350
information.

1155
00:50:08,350 --> 00:50:10,450
Not only are we in a David and

1156
00:50:10,450 --> 00:50:13,430
Goliath battle against government and corporation, but we're

1157
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:16,690
also in a David Goliath battle against the

1158
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:20,890
media, which is why I started Unchained TV,

1159
00:50:21,130 --> 00:50:22,970
the world's only plant-based streaming network.

1160
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:24,870
So I will tell you right now, I'm

1161
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:28,390
urging everybody, please take a moment to download

1162
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:28,670
it.

1163
00:50:29,070 --> 00:50:30,610
It's very easy to download.

1164
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:33,250
It's the world's only vegan streaming television network.

1165
00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:35,010
You can just go to your phone's app

1166
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:37,730
store and put in Unchained TV, one word,

1167
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:39,330
and you can also get it on your

1168
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:39,870
TV.

1169
00:50:40,090 --> 00:50:40,830
Very easy.

1170
00:50:41,130 --> 00:50:43,390
If you see behind me, I have a

1171
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:44,250
Samsung TV.

1172
00:50:44,530 --> 00:50:46,870
You just go to the Samsung TV smart

1173
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:48,910
hub and you go in there and put

1174
00:50:48,910 --> 00:50:49,870
in Unchained TV.

1175
00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:51,050
And there it is.

1176
00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:52,350
You can drag that icon.

1177
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:55,230
I drag it right next to Netflix and

1178
00:50:55,230 --> 00:50:56,190
Amazon Prime.

1179
00:50:56,410 --> 00:50:57,550
So it's free.

1180
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:59,370
There's 2000 videos.

1181
00:50:59,570 --> 00:51:02,110
This video is playing live right now on

1182
00:51:02,110 --> 00:51:03,170
Unchained TV.

1183
00:51:04,330 --> 00:51:09,110
Part of your activism, support Unchained TV as

1184
00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:10,450
part of your activism.

1185
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:14,370
You can literally text this video or any

1186
00:51:14,370 --> 00:51:17,490
other video on Unchained TV to anybody.

1187
00:51:17,830 --> 00:51:20,010
You can text it by just going here.

1188
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:22,230
It comes up and then you hit text

1189
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:23,290
and you can send it.

1190
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:27,010
If you have a relative, a friend or

1191
00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:29,110
somebody who says, you know what?

1192
00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:31,490
It's not so bad.

1193
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:33,130
You can text them Earthlings.

1194
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:36,190
If you have a friend who says, gee,

1195
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:37,690
I can never give up cheese.

1196
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:39,890
You can give them a vegan cheese recipe.

1197
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:42,070
We have hundreds of cooking shows on there.

1198
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:44,590
I'm urging people support us.

1199
00:51:44,890 --> 00:51:46,890
We created this, but we cannot do it

1200
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:47,310
alone.

1201
00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:50,470
And we are a 501C3 nonprofit.

1202
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:52,850
So that's one of the things that I

1203
00:51:52,850 --> 00:51:54,150
wanted to tell everybody.

1204
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:56,110
Yeah, one of my videos is playing right

1205
00:51:56,110 --> 00:51:58,550
now is that we need your support as

1206
00:51:58,550 --> 00:51:58,750
well.

1207
00:51:59,130 --> 00:52:00,350
We've only got a couple of minutes.

1208
00:52:00,350 --> 00:52:02,330
I need to talk to you about ventilation

1209
00:52:02,330 --> 00:52:03,030
shutdown.

1210
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:06,530
We're saving the most horrific for last.

1211
00:52:06,750 --> 00:52:10,590
Give us a small, short explanation of this

1212
00:52:10,590 --> 00:52:11,230
horror show.

1213
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:14,270
Can I also just tell you something about

1214
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:16,550
the New York Times that was very satisfying

1215
00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:18,490
to us since you brought that up?

1216
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:21,190
So we know we our goal is to

1217
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:24,270
change the discourse, to amplify the discourse on

1218
00:52:24,270 --> 00:52:26,030
the bird flu problem and on a plant

1219
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:26,850
based food system.

1220
00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:27,110
Right.

1221
00:52:27,610 --> 00:52:27,910
Yes.

1222
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:30,390
So when we saw the headline of the

1223
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:32,910
New York Times one day shortly after our

1224
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:37,490
Vilsack disruption at the at the the Washington

1225
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:39,170
Press Club, where we didn't get much press.

1226
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:39,450
Right.

1227
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:39,970
Right.

1228
00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:43,850
But what was so rewarding was to see

1229
00:52:43,850 --> 00:52:46,010
a headline in The New York Times that

1230
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:49,970
I'm paraphrasing that is is killing millions of

1231
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:52,930
chickens and giving millions of dollars to the

1232
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:56,270
poultry industry really the way to solve the

1233
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:57,230
bird flu crisis.

1234
00:52:57,910 --> 00:53:00,310
And it was a sceptical article from our

1235
00:53:00,310 --> 00:53:02,750
point of view, what we have been going

1236
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:06,770
to rooms and to get thrown out for

1237
00:53:06,770 --> 00:53:10,190
saying we're getting thrown out of rooms with

1238
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:14,230
power holders like Tom Vilsack and Senator, you

1239
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:17,990
know, senators committees for saying the same thing.

1240
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:20,070
To see that on the cover of The

1241
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:22,330
New York Times was very gratifying.

1242
00:53:22,330 --> 00:53:25,390
It's showing us that we are our our

1243
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:27,770
message, our point of view is getting into

1244
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:28,690
mainstream media.

1245
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:30,150
It is.

1246
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:32,550
And it's sad that somebody has to get

1247
00:53:32,550 --> 00:53:35,450
arrested for them to cover it because you

1248
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:37,150
had to get arrested to get that point

1249
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:37,650
across.

1250
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:39,470
And that's not the way it should work.

1251
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:41,950
I always say we do all these freedom

1252
00:53:41,950 --> 00:53:44,770
of information acts and reports and nothing.

1253
00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:46,530
But then if we take our clothes off,

1254
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:50,430
not me personally, but other activists or we

1255
00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:52,930
get arrested again, not me personally, but people

1256
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:54,770
like you, then we get coverage.

1257
00:53:54,910 --> 00:53:55,710
And that's unfair.

1258
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:57,330
We shouldn't have to get arrested or get

1259
00:53:57,330 --> 00:53:59,770
naked to have the mainstream media cover our

1260
00:53:59,770 --> 00:54:00,070
issue.

1261
00:54:00,390 --> 00:54:01,190
We've got two minutes.

1262
00:54:01,730 --> 00:54:02,710
Ventilation shutdown.

1263
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:03,970
Tell us what it is.

1264
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:07,610
Well, ventilation shutdown is, you know, without getting

1265
00:54:07,610 --> 00:54:10,070
too technical, it's basically cooking birds alive.

1266
00:54:10,070 --> 00:54:11,650
It's turning up the heat in a closed

1267
00:54:11,650 --> 00:54:15,790
environment and until they they suffocate, until they

1268
00:54:15,790 --> 00:54:17,110
die of heat stroke.

1269
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:19,430
And, you know, the industry has been doing

1270
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:22,010
heat stroke tests on birds for decades.

1271
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:23,630
That's something if you would have talked to

1272
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:25,430
the late Karen Davis about, she knew all

1273
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:25,990
about this.

1274
00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:28,890
The universities, the poultry science departments of all

1275
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:32,390
these universities do all these experiments on chickens

1276
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:33,970
to see how much heat stroke they can

1277
00:54:33,970 --> 00:54:34,970
take before they die.

1278
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:36,790
They do it on millions of birds.

1279
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:40,470
And this is how they perfected ventilation shutdown.

1280
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:43,270
It's also the cheapest way to kill the

1281
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:44,510
largest number of birds.

1282
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:47,190
It's illegal in other countries because it's considered

1283
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:47,930
so immoral.

1284
00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:50,610
But it's legal here and it's cheap and

1285
00:54:50,610 --> 00:54:51,010
fast.

1286
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:53,250
What more can you say?

1287
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:53,950
It's horrendous.

1288
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:55,530
It's horrendous.

1289
00:54:55,590 --> 00:54:58,610
And our tax dollars are being forced to

1290
00:54:58,610 --> 00:55:02,270
subsidise it, which is truly, truly upsetting.

1291
00:55:02,730 --> 00:55:05,470
And, you know, sometimes I just wonder about

1292
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:09,130
the stupidity factor because climate change is getting

1293
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:09,550
worse.

1294
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:12,670
And the news media, while they love the

1295
00:55:12,670 --> 00:55:15,850
mainstream news media to cover the catastrophe porn,

1296
00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:19,090
the fires, the floods, people crying, my house

1297
00:55:19,090 --> 00:55:19,690
is gone.

1298
00:55:20,070 --> 00:55:22,630
But then when a solution comes up that

1299
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:25,870
is obvious, like going plant based, not only

1300
00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:27,490
do they not cover it, they attack it.

1301
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:30,630
They attack it because they're repeating meat industry

1302
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:32,190
talking points mindlessly.

1303
00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:36,930
And to me, that's stupidity because it's going

1304
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:41,790
to bite everybody, including corporations, including the media,

1305
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:43,590
including the airline industry.

1306
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:45,350
I mean, it's disrupting everything.

1307
00:55:45,730 --> 00:55:47,150
And it's and we're in the very first

1308
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:47,930
stages of it.

1309
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:50,850
So keep fighting the good fight, everybody.

1310
00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:55,210
Download Unchained TV, get involved, go to the

1311
00:55:55,210 --> 00:56:00,510
protests and together we can really make an

1312
00:56:00,510 --> 00:56:00,850
impact.

1313
00:56:01,030 --> 00:56:02,150
You are an inspiration.

1314
00:56:02,490 --> 00:56:04,490
Let's hear it for Robert Grillo from Free

1315
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:05,330
From Harm.

1316
00:56:06,090 --> 00:56:06,990
Come back soon.

1317
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:08,630
Thank you, Jane.

1318
00:56:08,910 --> 00:56:10,030
Lovely to see you again.

1319
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:11,850
You too.