UnchainedTV: Chef AJ's Insanely Delicious, Guilt-Free, Dessert Cookbook

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Author, TV journalist, and the founder of the

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Unchained TV free streaming network, Jane Velez Mitchell.

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You're about to hear a secret solution to

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the problems that plague our world.

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If you want to revolutionise your health, get

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truly joyful, and jump to the next phase

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of human evolution, all it takes is one

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simple choice.

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Now, here's your host, Jane Velez Mitchell.

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And we've got breaking news, wait for it,

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wait for it, who's our guest today?

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The amazing chef AJ, the one and only,

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and she's out with a new book.

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This woman has written multiple, multiple, multiple bestsellers,

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but this one is my personal favourite because

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I don't know about you, but I have

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a sweet tooth.

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And this book with over 150 vegan and

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gluten-free dessert recipes shows that you can

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have your sweet tooth guilt-free, naturally sweetened

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with just fruit.

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I want to say it again, this is

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a miracle book.

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It will change your life.

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If you're like me, I've gained and lost

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those same 10 pounds over and over again,

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because I've never met a cupcake I didn't

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like or a pie.

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Well, guess what?

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You now have a solution because chef AJ

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is famous for having lost, well, she's going

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to tell you in a second, how many

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pounds by simply getting rid of the sugar

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and replacing it with fruit.

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And I have personally tasted her desserts and

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they are crazy good.

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They are insanely good.

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They taste decadent.

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They taste like you should feel really, really

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guilty about them, but they are totally good

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for you.

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In fact, many of them are packed with

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super foods.

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So without further ado, I would like to

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introduce a woman who is my hero, who

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has literally turned more people vegan than, well,

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almost anyone and done it in a sweet,

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sweet way.

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Chef AJ out with her new book called

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Sweet Indulgence.

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All right, Chef AJ, tell us why is

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this book so extraordinary?

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Well, I think it's extraordinary because first of

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all, like you say, it's vegan, Jane, and

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you know, in four days I will have

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been vegan for 47 years.

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So even that might be enough, but it

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hits a lot of other notes that people

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feel are important to them.

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So for example, it's gluten-free, it is

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oil-free, it is salt-free and it

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is refined sugar-free and of the 157

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recipes, only two actually contain flour.

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So I think there's a little something for

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everybody in this book.

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Well, I got to tell you, you are

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my hero because, okay, behind me is Unchained

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TV, where I am proud to say Chef

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AJ has a whole bunch of cooking shows

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that you can watch.

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She's got a channel on Unchained TV.

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She also starred in Unchained TV's award-winning

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series, New Day, New Chef.

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In fact, she was the very first chef

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up at bat ever.

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And I personally watched her make one of

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these incredible dishes in, I believe it was

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the German chocolate cake with the strawberries on

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top.

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I don't know what it was, but I

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never forget how when the taping ended, as

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soon as they yelled cut, the crew just

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swarmed in and literally it was a fight

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for every single piece.

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And I was right in there with them.

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And these guys who were in the crew

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weren't vegan.

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I certainly am.

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I've been for 29 years, but those guys

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just wanted something that looked really delicious.

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And it was delicious.

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So for those who don't believe that you

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can get the great, great taste without using

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actual sugar or stuff that's bad for you,

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what would you tell them?

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Because, I mean, this is a huge issue,

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huge operative word.

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Two-thirds of Americans are overweight or obese.

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And I don't say that looking down.

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I fight with my weight constantly because, precisely

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because I have a sweet tooth.

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Tell us, AJ.

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Yeah, well, absolutely.

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And I've heard statistics that most Americans eat

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anywhere between 100 to 150 pounds of sugar

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per person per year.

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So even if you don't have a weight

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problem, sugar is just not a health-promoting

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food.

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I don't even think of it as a

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food.

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I think of it really more as a

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drug, or maybe even in some cases a

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poison.

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So I would tell people that don't believe

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that you can have delicious desserts made from

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fruit, the whole fruit, nothing but the whole

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fruit, to make a date with dessert.

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In other words, taste a date.

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If you haven't tried dates, dates are nature's

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candy.

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They are so sweet.

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There's so many varieties.

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Some of them taste like Kraft caramels, but

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they're a whole food.

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And so instead of being a processed food

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like sugar, they are a whole food, which

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means they have water and fibre, vitamins, minerals,

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phytochemicals, antioxidants, micronutrients.

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They're health-promoting, and you will experience satiety

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when you eat food or desserts made from

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whole foods.

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You can keep eating sugar and flour and

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oil all day.

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That's what a traditional cake is.

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And you will never feel full, and you

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will always continue to eat.

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But when you eat desserts that are made

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from actual food, your brain and your stretch

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receptors recognise that this is a real food,

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and it puts the brakes on so that

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you will eventually stop eating, I'm pretty sure.

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And Jane, the dessert that I made on

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your wonderful show was the strawberry chocolate cheesecake.

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And the German chocolate cake that you're remembering

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is, I made it for your birthday once

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when I lived in Los Angeles.

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Well, they're all so delicious.

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Honestly, you do not know that this is

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fruit sweetened.

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You think, your mind is telling you, oh

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my God, this is a real decadent dessert.

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But the great part about it, it's totally

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100% guilt-free.

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The phone line's already lighting up.

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Michael in Culver City, your question or thought

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for Chef AJ.

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Oh, hey, so great to talk to you,

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Chef AJ.

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And my question is, I have a really

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bad sweet tooth.

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And so there are times when I cannot

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really access natural sugar.

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But my question is, what do you think

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about stevia, which is plant-based, and also

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just a regular cane sugar, which is not

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with no bone added to it or anything?

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Are those OK once in a while?

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OK, so it's funny because I was a

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communication speech major in college.

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So the word OK, you need to clarify.

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OK for what?

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OK for health, OK for weight loss, OK

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if you're suffering from food addiction.

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So I believe that sugar is sugar, oil

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is oil, salt is salt.

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And just because some are less bad doesn't

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mean they're good.

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But if you are happy with your health,

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with your weight, who am I to tell

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you not to eat these things?

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The thing is, when you say you can't

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access natural sugars, do you live somewhere where

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you don't have Amazon or Walmart?

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Because date syrup and date sugar are available

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even at Walmart now, for example.

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So I would rather have people eat sugar

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and, of course, vegan sugar over stevia.

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Because unless you're just eating the green leaf

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from a plant you're growing, stevia is highly,

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highly processed.

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Most people are eating the powders or the

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liquid.

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And it's thousands of times sweeter than sugar.

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And what happens when you eat stevia, it

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actually perpetuates your cravings and desire for more

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sweet, because there's nothing that sweet in nature.

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And the problem with stevia or erythritol, xylitol,

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mannitol, aspartame, saccharin, any of the zero-calorie

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sweeteners, is that you have taste buds on

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the tip of your tongue.

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And when you taste sweet, your brain gets

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really excited, because in nature you found some

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fruit, you're going to get some calories, you're

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going to survive.

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So you taste something with stevia and you

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have no calories, but you get this intensely

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sweet taste.

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So the brain is making you hungrier because

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it wants calories.

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So I would not recommend stevia or any

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of the other fake or zero-calorie sweeteners.

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It just really depends on what your goals

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Wow.

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Okay.

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We've got yet another caller.

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Steve in Dallas, Texas.

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Your question or thought for the one and

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only Chef AJ.

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Hi there.

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Yes.

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I wanted to say thank you.

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I also have a sweet tooth, James.

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It's great to get ideas for healthier sweet

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options for myself.

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But also just wanted to comment.

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Like when we do outreach, a lot of

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people are expecting to taste food right there

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on the spot.

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When we reach out to them, try to

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teach them about compassion towards animals, having that

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sweet treat there on spot to show them

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a great example of how veganism can be

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amazing and delicious.

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I passed around cookies at work.

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I think I blew this guy's mind.

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He looked at it as if it could

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not exist.

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It was impossible for a vegan treat to

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taste so good.

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It changed his world with just a cookie.

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So real powerful stuff.

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Thank you so much for creating this wonderful

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book and these ideas.

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Thank you.

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Fantastic.

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And I want to go to the next

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caller.

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That was a comment, but a compliment is

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always nice.

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Nilo Farr, also in Texas.

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Hi.

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It's such a pleasure.

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Was there, two questions.

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Was there any vegan physician who influenced you

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the most in order to make healthy vegan

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treats without adding plaque to our arteries?

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And question two, I used the link on

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Chain TV to purchase, to try to purchase

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the sweet indulgence.

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And I guess I got stuck where after

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it asked for the name and email browse

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file, you have to upload a file to

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submit.

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If you could clarify that.

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Thanks.

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All right, go for it.

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Okay, sure.

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If I understand your second question correctly, you're

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probably talking about how to get the bonuses

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because anyone that orders the book anytime up

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until August 31st, if they submit their receipt

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having trouble, please contact our help desk, which

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Now, as far as who influenced me, there

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are so many giants on whose shoulders I

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stand.

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But if I had to pick the three

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that were most influential, I would say first

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was Dr. John McDougal, who sadly passed away

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this year, Dr. Alan Goldhammer, and probably Dr.

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Caldwell B.

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Esselstyn, because even before I met Dr. Goldhammer,

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Dr. McDougal, in August of 2008, I had

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heard a lecture by Dr. Esselstyn talking about

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how to become bulletproof against heart disease simply

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by giving up oil.

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And I never had heard that oil was

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not a health food.

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And it made sense to me having a

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family that had heart disease, and it didn't

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seem like it was that big of an

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ask.

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And truthfully, of sugar, oil, and salt, I

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think oil is actually the easiest.

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So he was the one that really had

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me understand why to give up oil.

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And then Dr. McDougal was the one that

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had me understand, like, you got to have

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starch.

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If you don't have enough starch, you're going

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to be hungry.

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And Dr. Goldhammer, along with Dr. Weil, who

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wrote The Pleasure Trap, really helped me understand

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that sugar, oil, and salt really aren't foods,

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but they're chemicals that are added to the

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food that fool our brain satiety mechanisms and

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cause us to overeat.

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So, of course, there's so many wonderful people

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like Dr. Barnard and Dr. Campbell.

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And again, I stand Dr. Ornish, Dr. Greger,

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but I think those are the three that

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I've had the most direct experience with.

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Yeah.

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And guys, just go to chefaj.com.

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Obviously, you can buy the book on Amazon.

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Very easy.

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You just put in sweet indulgence.

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You can get it.

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Then you submit that receipt to the link,

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and you can get a thousand dollars worth

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of bonuses.

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But just go to chefaj.com and get

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involved in this.

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Super, super fun.

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And it's a whole new world, honestly.

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If I hadn't experienced it for myself firsthand,

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I wouldn't necessarily be as enthusiastic about it

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because I'm one of these people, honestly, never

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seen something that's bad for you that I

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didn't want, except for me.

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But if it's candy, if it's cigarettes, I'm

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in recovery from alcohol for 29 years.

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I'm happy to say I'm about to turn

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knock on wood 30 years sober one day

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at a time, but I have those cravings

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and I recognise them.

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And I was always like, oh yeah, fruit,

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fruit.

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Yeah.

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But honestly, when I tasted Chef AJ's desserts,

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it was sinful.

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It was sweet.

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It blew my mind.

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And that's why this book is so important

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because this is 150 recipes.

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So you've got the cupcakes, but you've got

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the pies.

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You've got the cakes.

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You've got the nice cream, which is vegan

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ice cream.

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You've got the puddings.

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I mean, it goes on and on and

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on.

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And what I also love about it, Chef

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AJ, is that I'm somebody who literally still

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has the tape on my oven because I

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either use air fryer or a microwave and

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you have recipes that you can do with

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your air fryer.

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Tell us about that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And it's funny because yesterday I did a

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podcast and I showed all the recipes in

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the book that could be done with a

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microwave.

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And there's a few with the air fryer

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because I want people to use what they

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have and not necessarily have to buy things.

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There's some also with a dehydrator, but when

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you take fruit and put it in the

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air fryer, it makes it even sweeter.

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I don't know if you've ever tried to

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air fry apples or bananas or, oh my

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goodness, plantains or pears.

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Just like when you roast things in an

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oven, air frying is just quicker and it

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brings out the natural sweetness and caramelisation in

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the fruit.

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And so that's a great way to even

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intensify the sweetness without using sugar, especially if

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you have a piece of fruit that's not

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ripe.

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Pears, sometimes they're just not sweet, but when

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you put them in the air fryer, I

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don't know, something magical happens.

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All right, I want to play a clip

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where you actually show strawberries and you kind

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of explain how they become sweeter and that

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they become a little bit more malleable.

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So you're going to see the difference between

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how berries look before they're macerated because I

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have some right here that I macerated a

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few hours ago.

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So you can see it's almost like they

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get a cooked texture or a texture like

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they would have if they've been frozen.

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But the main thing is by macerating them,

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they just get very, very soft and that's

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what we're looking for.

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I will put in probably a tablespoon or

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two of the California balsamic vinegar.

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I really don't measure, you can, but usually

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I just eyeball it.

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Any fruit that's in season will work.

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When a fruit is hard though, like an

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apple, you want to cut it very small

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because it's not going to macerate the same

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way as a berry.

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Yes, it's not going to give up the

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juice or the liquid when there's not much

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juice or liquid in it.

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Oh, mango was another fruit I've used in

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here.

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Really, really delicious.

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Now I have to tell you, I always

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go for mango because it is for me

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the easiest to take to make something sweet.

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Like I've nailed mango smoothies.

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I mean, obviously some fruit is sweeter than

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others.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And the ripeness will affect how sweet the

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fruit is.

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For example, bananas come in the store and

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they're generally a little bit green on top.

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And while they might be suitable for eating,

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like I prefer them less sweet if I'm

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eating them.

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If you're using them in recipes, you want

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to go to the section where they're selling

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the older produce when they're nice and speckled

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and brown, especially if you're going to use

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them for desserts or smoothies.

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Of you bring them home, other fruits kind

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of stay the same amount of ripeness.

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I like grapes, for example, don't change.

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But when you think about frozen fruit, sometimes

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frozen fruit is actually sweeter than fresh food.

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I know that for me, sometimes when I

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buy berries, like blueberries or blackberries, they're not

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always that sweet.

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But for some reason, when they're frozen, they

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are.

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Raspberries, I find to be the opposite.

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I find often frozen raspberries are much more

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tart than fresh raspberries.

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But you're dealing with a whole natural food,

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so you cannot guarantee the level of sweetness

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like you can with fresh fruit, with one

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exception, dates.

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Dates are intensely sweet.

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They're about 70% sugar.

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They're low water, but they're full of fibre

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and nutrients.

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And that's why I use them as my

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primary sweetener, because of the consistency in the

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recipes.

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All right, we've got more callers.

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I have some date questions, not dating questions,

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but date questions in a second.

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We've got Tiffany in Santa Monica, and we'll

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then go to Annie in Sherman Oaks.

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Tiffany?

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Thank you, Jane, for taking my call.

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And Chef AJ, I discovered you on Unchained,

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watching one of your cooking clips.

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And I bought one of your cookbooks.

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I think it was one of the first

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ones.

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I love it.

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But I can never get past the, you

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do a brussels sprouts with mustard and balsamic

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vinegar.

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I love it so much.

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That's all I make now.

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And I was wondering if there's something like

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that in the new cookbook, something simple like

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that one that you're really crazy about.

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Yeah, that's a great question.

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And thank you.

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So I agree, you know, balsamic vinegar, especially

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the good quality, reduced kind, kind of fixes

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everything.

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So there are a lot of easy recipes

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in the book.

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I would say that, honestly, off the top

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of my head, I can only think of

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three that are a little bit more challenging.

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And there are the ones that made the

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cover, the peanut butter and chocolate cheesecake, which

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was a favourite of actress Heather Graham when

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I was in LA, the stuffed peanut butter

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cupcake with a peanut butter chocolate ganache, which

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was a favourite of Dr. Neil Barnard, and

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the German chocolate cake.

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I have a history of teaching cooking to

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the blind at the Braille Institute.

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And I find that if it's easy for

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the blind, it's going to be easier for

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the sighted.

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So I try to keep things to seven

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or even fewer ingredients and as few steps

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as possible.

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The strawberry chocolate cheesecake that Jane was talking

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about, this is a photo in my book

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of Luca, he was seven years old, two

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years ago, when he took my sweet indulgence

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dessert masterclass, and he was able to make

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that recipe.

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So I'm trying to think there's some of

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some really well, I mean, some of the

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easy ones, for example, like, like the waffle,

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I mean, there's three ingredients in my waffle,

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it's bananas, applesauce, and oats.

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I mean, what could be easier than that,

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putting them in the blender and making a

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waffle.

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And of course, you can always add spices

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like cinnamon or vanilla, even my cookies, like

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my snickerdoodle dates, cinnamon, vanilla powder, and oats.

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So I really do try to keep it

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simple.

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And I have a lot of recipes that

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don't even require an oven, which makes it

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even simpler.

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So they are like recipes that would be

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suitable for a raw foodist.

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And they're pretty easy to make with just

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combining, you know, fruits with things like oats

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or nuts with things like oats, and making

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crusts, making fillings.

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You know, a lot of the fillings of

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the sweet potato mousse, it's roasted sweet potatoes

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and bananas with cinnamon and vanilla.

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So I think you'll find that most of

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00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,940
the recipes are fairly easy.

543
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,600
And hopefully you'll find that all of them

544
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:50,140
are delicious.

545
00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:52,880
All right, Andy, your question or thought for

546
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,420
Chef AJ?

547
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,860
Oh, thank you.

548
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,680
Thank you for having me.

549
00:19:57,860 --> 00:19:59,720
So Dana, thank you, Chef AJ for being

550
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:00,040
here.

551
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,320
I love you so much.

552
00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:02,700
Been following you for years.

553
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,280
And you're amazing.

554
00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:08,460
And I love your how you lost the

555
00:20:08,460 --> 00:20:11,360
weight, you've gone through it, you're the experiential

556
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,100
chef, you're not just a chef.

557
00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:15,800
And you speak from all the experiences you

558
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:16,820
changed your life.

559
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,360
And I love Dr. McDougal you had on

560
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:21,440
the show and how I was touched and

561
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,360
crying with you, by the way, was for

562
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:25,940
the late Dr. McDougal blesses so you know,

563
00:20:26,140 --> 00:20:27,220
may he live in power.

564
00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,500
And all the doctors, Dr. Goldhamer, everyone you

565
00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:32,960
mentioned, I adore them all and adore you

566
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,660
the most because you are a living example.

567
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,480
You healed yourself, you went to North.

568
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,600
And what I love is that how you

569
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,420
simplify, but you use science-based and yummy

570
00:20:44,420 --> 00:20:47,740
taste buds to make these amazing recipes.

571
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,560
I am waiting to see your book.

572
00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:52,580
I know you're going to order it, Annie,

573
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,160
but Annie raises a very good question.

574
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,240
Tell us your backstory.

575
00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:02,240
Tell us how much weight you lost, how

576
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:03,860
you were able to do it and keep

577
00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:04,440
it off.

578
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,960
Because you know, losing weight is one thing,

579
00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:09,260
but then it creeps right back up if

580
00:21:09,260 --> 00:21:10,640
you don't change your lifestyle.

581
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,480
Absolutely.

582
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,500
Okay, so from my highest weight, I'm 70

583
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:16,100
pounds down.

584
00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:18,960
But from my, my most typical adult weight,

585
00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:20,540
I'm 55 pounds down.

586
00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:22,440
And the funny thing is, I was able

587
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:23,880
to sustain obesity.

588
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,760
Oh, there's a doggie, you know, just by

589
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,060
being a junk food vegan, I was obese.

590
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,260
Well, not the day I was born, but

591
00:21:31,260 --> 00:21:32,740
by the age of five, for sure, because

592
00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:33,640
that's what I remember.

593
00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:35,340
And you know, by the age of 11,

594
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:36,520
I'm only five, five.

595
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:37,960
At the age of 11, I was only

596
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,380
five feet tall, and I weighed about 160

597
00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:40,780
pounds.

598
00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:42,940
And that itself is obese, because at five,

599
00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:44,920
six, 160 is technically obese.

600
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,040
And I stayed that way really until about

601
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,840
the age of 51, which was 14 years

602
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,140
ago.

603
00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:52,700
And I was able to do that as

604
00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:55,300
a vegan because I was eating processed food.

605
00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:58,440
You know, French fries are vegan, Dr. Pepper's

606
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,000
vegan, Coke Slurpees are vegan.

607
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,300
Potato chips are vegan, cotton candy is vegan.

608
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,780
And we live in a day now where

609
00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:07,520
there are so many analogues of food that

610
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,060
are vegan that didn't exist 47 years ago,

611
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,520
that are calorically dense, that I don't really

612
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,900
think are health promoting, you know, full of

613
00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:15,700
sugar, fat and salt.

614
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,980
And at the age of 51, I went

615
00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:19,080
to the TrueNorth Health Centre.

616
00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:21,440
And that's where I really got the information

617
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,220
about something that I often teach called calorie

618
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:24,680
density.

619
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,860
And when I change the calorie density of

620
00:22:26,860 --> 00:22:28,920
the food on my plate, focussing on just

621
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,140
the whole foods, like fruits, vegetables, whole grains

622
00:22:31,140 --> 00:22:33,040
and legumes, I didn't have to weigh or

623
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,100
measure my food or count calories, carbs or

624
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:37,140
points, I really could eat to ad libitum

625
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:38,100
or to satiation.

626
00:22:38,740 --> 00:22:40,500
And slowly and surely, I took off the

627
00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:40,680
weight.

628
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:42,180
And this wasn't a quick fix.

629
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,260
It wasn't like Ozempic.

630
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,160
It took about two years, actually 27 months

631
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,660
for me to lose 47 pounds.

632
00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:49,860
But I did it without starving.

633
00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:53,240
I did it deliciously eating as much as

634
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,500
I want of the right food.

635
00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,300
And I've been able to keep that weight

636
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:56,680
off now.

637
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,660
It's been 13 years.

638
00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:03,780
Oh, I can't hear Jane now.

639
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,520
To that end, you use ingredients like millet.

640
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,920
And I want to play a clip of

641
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,600
you turning millet, which is not something you

642
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,300
would normally think as of sweet, you think

643
00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:19,600
that is some sort of mediaeval brain that

644
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,720
nobody eats anymore.

645
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,620
But you turn it into a fabulous pudding.

646
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:24,240
Let's watch.

647
00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:25,160
So what we're going to do is we're

648
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,380
going to take a cup of millet, you

649
00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:27,460
could toast it if you like.

650
00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:29,640
And in the Instant Pot, I have three

651
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,820
cups of a non-dairy milk.

652
00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:32,220
I'm using unsweetened almond milk.

653
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:33,300
So I'm just going to pour it in

654
00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:34,020
just like that.

655
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,900
I'm going to make it a little sweet

656
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,320
because it's going to be, you know, sort

657
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,420
of a dessert-y type thing.

658
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:39,100
It could be a breakfast.

659
00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:40,480
This is date syrup.

660
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720
And I'm using six tablespoons.

661
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,100
And what I like about date syrup, Dr.

662
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,100
Diehl, is that it's really a whole food.

663
00:23:47,180 --> 00:23:48,320
It's made only from dates.

664
00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:49,560
That's the only ingredient.

665
00:23:49,980 --> 00:23:51,220
So it has the fibre and the vitamins,

666
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,700
minerals, phytochemicals, antioxidants.

667
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,280
What I like about date syrup as opposed

668
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,100
to refined sugar is I can actually make

669
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:56,960
this in my own kitchen.

670
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,680
And I have.

671
00:23:57,820 --> 00:23:59,600
This is a wonderful company, Organic.

672
00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:01,060
It's called I Love Date Lady.

673
00:24:01,220 --> 00:24:02,540
And they don't put any sugar in their

674
00:24:02,540 --> 00:24:03,000
date syrup.

675
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,680
Believe it or not, some companies do, which

676
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:05,800
kind of defeats the purpose.

677
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:08,200
My spices are a teaspoon of roasted cinnamon

678
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,800
and a half a teaspoon of cardamom.

679
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,260
Wait till you start smelling it.

680
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,780
A tablespoon of alcohol-free vanilla.

681
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:16,380
And then all I do is I put

682
00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:17,120
the top on.

683
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,460
And I'm going to put it on for

684
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:20,240
10 minutes.

685
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:21,640
So you would have time to do this

686
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,160
in the morning.

687
00:24:22,340 --> 00:24:24,100
Make it for your breakfast porridge.

688
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Walk the dog if you have one.

689
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:26,500
Take a shower.

690
00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:27,280
Set it.

691
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:27,800
Forget it.

692
00:24:28,660 --> 00:24:32,180
So porridge, that is certainly a phrase I

693
00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:34,060
haven't heard in a long time.

694
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:36,600
I mean, are you taking us back to

695
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,080
the basics?

696
00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:39,320
This sounds like a dish that could have

697
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,060
been in the 14th or 13th century.

698
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,880
But hey, that's so funny.

699
00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:46,640
Yeah, that's funny.

700
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:48,040
I don't use the word too often.

701
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,980
It makes me think of the three bears.

702
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,980
But people have heard of millet.

703
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,580
They've probably seen it if they have a

704
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:53,880
bird.

705
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:55,380
It's basically bird seed.

706
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,900
It is a whole grain.

707
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,720
It's an ancient grain, and in my opinion,

708
00:24:58,820 --> 00:24:59,860
an underused grain.

709
00:24:59,980 --> 00:25:01,100
And it's very delicious.

710
00:25:01,260 --> 00:25:02,720
And you're right, most people think of it

711
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,160
as savoury.

712
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080
But any grain can be used to be

713
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,480
sweetened.

714
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,160
Like most people that eat oats in the

715
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,060
morning, they're putting some kind of sweetener, if

716
00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:11,760
not sugar, bananas, or blueberries.

717
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,660
People have heard of rice pudding.

718
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,200
People have heard maybe buckwheat granola.

719
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,240
So grains are a great way to get

720
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,120
some healthy calories in, full of starch, whether

721
00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,160
you sweeten them or not.

722
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,900
And I think millet is really delicious.

723
00:25:25,660 --> 00:25:27,700
So what was that dish?

724
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:32,140
Because it turned into something that looked really

725
00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:32,840
decadent.

726
00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:35,100
You had it in some kind of champagne

727
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:36,360
glass layered.

728
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,340
And again, here's something with millet and dates

729
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:45,240
that seems like very granola, in quotes.

730
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,700
But the actual recipe itself, when it's done,

731
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:49,420
looks amazing.

732
00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:53,020
Just like behind me, you're making something with

733
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:56,120
strawberries and dates that looks super decadent, super

734
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:56,640
colourful.

735
00:25:57,220 --> 00:25:59,100
I mean, we eat with our eyes.

736
00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:03,220
And suffice it to say, Chef AJ, it's

737
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:03,920
in this book.

738
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,060
It's in this book.

739
00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:06,700
Yeah.

740
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:09,520
And so this is the Creamy Blueberry Millet

741
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,020
Parfait.

742
00:26:10,460 --> 00:26:11,540
And it's really delicious.

743
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,540
And, you know, the thing is, if you

744
00:26:13,540 --> 00:26:15,640
are used to eating the standard American diet

745
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,800
or a junk food vegan diet, this recipe

746
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,440
may not be sweet enough for you, which

747
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,900
is why we have a rating in the

748
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:23,880
book of the levels of sweetness.

749
00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:26,880
We use a strawberry, which is my favourite

750
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,460
fruit.

751
00:26:27,940 --> 00:26:30,240
One strawberry, if it's subtly sweet.

752
00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:32,780
Two strawberries, if it's nice and sweet.

753
00:26:33,140 --> 00:26:35,160
And three strawberries, like for the rich chocolate

754
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520
desserts, which is superbly sweet.

755
00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:39,380
We similarly do the same thing with the

756
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:41,420
amount of fat, letting you know whether it's

757
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,240
a low-fat dessert, suitable for people following,

758
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,260
say, a McDougal, Ornish, Esselstyn, Pritikin-type programme,

759
00:26:47,420 --> 00:26:49,300
if it has a moderate amount of fat,

760
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:51,120
or if it's rich and decadent.

761
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,720
And of the 157 recipes in the book,

762
00:26:54,020 --> 00:26:55,720
108 are low-fat.

763
00:26:56,660 --> 00:26:59,300
Wow, that is absolutely amazing.

764
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,180
So let me ask you this.

765
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,480
I'll be quite honest with you.

766
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,720
I have tried, like, I actually cook because

767
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,240
being, well, having started Unshamed TV, which is

768
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,620
the world's only plant-based nonprofit streaming network,

769
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:19,520
we have hundreds and hundreds of recipes and

770
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,300
cooking videos, and we're honoured to have some

771
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:23,640
of yours amongst ours.

772
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:26,440
Some of the most popular, actually, are the

773
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,720
Chef AJ videos.

774
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,440
But I've had to cook, but I hit

775
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,620
a wall when it comes to anything involving

776
00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:34,360
baking.

777
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,640
I'm very intimidated, and I have a feeling

778
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,240
a lot of other people are intimidated as

779
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,740
well.

780
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,120
So what would you say about your book

781
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,200
that helps people a breakthrough?

782
00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:48,960
Because I would love to break through, but

783
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,940
every single time, while I can do a

784
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:53,680
stir-fry and I can do this, that,

785
00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:55,280
and the other, every single time I try

786
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,820
to do baking, it's a bleepin' disaster.

787
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:01,800
Yeah, well, I think, you know, there's a

788
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,540
learning curve with any new skill, and the

789
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:04,960
more you do it, the better you get.

790
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:06,820
You know, that saying, repetition is a mother

791
00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:07,140
of skill.

792
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,160
I started baking when I was seven, because

793
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800
that's when I got my Easy-Bake Oven.

794
00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:12,380
But you're right, baking can be a little

795
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:14,140
bit daunting, because it's a science.

796
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:14,900
There's chemistry.

797
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:17,100
You do need to follow a recipe, whereas

798
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:18,880
cooking, or some of the recipes in the

799
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,580
book that don't require baking, are more improvisational.

800
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,360
That is why, for people that buy before

801
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,060
the 31st, I did a video for every

802
00:28:27,060 --> 00:28:30,380
single recipe, because I think sometimes watching a

803
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:32,660
video can really help you understand what you

804
00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:33,660
need to do in the kitchen.

805
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,260
The thing with baking is, pretty much, if

806
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:38,360
you read the recipe once, twice, and maybe

807
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,820
three times, and follow it exactly, it's usually

808
00:28:41,820 --> 00:28:42,440
foolproof.

809
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,420
One of the things I recommend, whether you're

810
00:28:44,420 --> 00:28:47,200
making my recipes, your own recipes, is to

811
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,640
do something we learned the first day of

812
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,100
culinary school called mise en place, everything in

813
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:51,560
its place.

814
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,380
When you make a recipe, instead of running

815
00:28:54,380 --> 00:28:57,060
willy-nilly to your refrigerator, your cabinets, your

816
00:28:57,060 --> 00:29:00,740
pantry, read the recipe, assemble all the ingredients,

817
00:29:00,980 --> 00:29:03,380
and then measure all the ingredients, and put

818
00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:04,620
them in little different dishes.

819
00:29:05,060 --> 00:29:07,760
I think that makes every recipe go quicker,

820
00:29:08,020 --> 00:29:10,660
and it's almost foolproof that way, because then

821
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:12,840
you're not as distracted, like, well, did I

822
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,380
put this in?

823
00:29:13,420 --> 00:29:14,180
Did I put that in?

824
00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:16,420
So, that's just something I recommend for everyone,

825
00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:17,760
and it seems to help a lot of

826
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,080
people.

827
00:29:18,460 --> 00:29:19,980
Also, get your oven calibrated.

828
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:22,500
This is another important point, and I talk

829
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:23,200
about it in the book.

830
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,340
You know, I used to be an apartment

831
00:29:24,340 --> 00:29:26,480
manager back in the day when I lived

832
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,220
in Sherman Oaks, and when we would have

833
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:29,820
a new move in, they would get a

834
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:32,760
new oven from a very reputable appliance store,

835
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,460
and oftentimes, the resident would say, my oven's

836
00:29:35,460 --> 00:29:36,840
not working, my oven's not working.

837
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:38,780
I would go down with my trusty oven

838
00:29:38,780 --> 00:29:41,300
thermometer that costs maybe $10 in a hardware

839
00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:43,640
store, and even a brand new oven may

840
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,120
be improperly calibrated.

841
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,460
So, while it may say 350 on the

842
00:29:47,460 --> 00:29:49,420
oven, it might be 290.

843
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,560
So, that's the thing.

844
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,560
You need to know what your true 350

845
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,460
or 325 is to get your oven calibrated,

846
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:57,100
or to at least know what your oven

847
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:59,200
temperature is, because I've seen a lot of

848
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,240
mistakes happen that way.

849
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840
You know, all chef coats have this little

850
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,140
pocket in it, and traditionally, you will see

851
00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:07,620
a thermometer in there, you know, for chefs

852
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:09,220
that are working in a restaurant, and when

853
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:12,040
I was the pastry chef, that little thermometer

854
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,240
was hanging in there so that regardless of

855
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320
what the knob said, we knew what the

856
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,560
temperature really was.

857
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,100
Well, listen, I think this is all wonderful.

858
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360
I'm going to do it gradually.

859
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:28,360
I want to know the simplest recipe in

860
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,380
your, like, Jane, you can't screw this up

861
00:30:32,380 --> 00:30:33,220
kind of recipe.

862
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:34,420
All right.

863
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:35,380
Okay.

864
00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:38,660
Well, then the simplest recipe has got to

865
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:39,780
be...

866
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440
I mean, if you're listening, I got to

867
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,620
tell you, get this book, Sweet Indulgence, 150

868
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:47,860
plus vegan gluten-free desserts.

869
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:49,640
You can get it on Amazon.

870
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,880
Just get it delivered right away, and then

871
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,160
you can also take advantage of $1,000

872
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
worth of value-added bonuses if you order

873
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,520
it immediately.

874
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,460
But, I mean, my gosh, there are, there's

875
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:07,360
doughnuts, there's pies, there's custards, there's caramel nut

876
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,940
tart, there's hockey pucks, there's...

877
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:14,960
How about this?

878
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:17,260
Air fry apple pie.

879
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,820
It sounds like something I might be able

880
00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:19,220
to do.

881
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:21,720
What about that?

882
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,700
What about air fry apple pie?

883
00:31:25,340 --> 00:31:28,360
Yeah, air fry apple pie is super, super

884
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,780
easy.

885
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,660
And, but not everybody has an air fryer,

886
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840
which is why I have two apple pie

887
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,420
recipes, like apple pie that won't make you

888
00:31:36,420 --> 00:31:38,740
die, and the world's healthiest apple pie, as

889
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:40,200
well as apple pie fries.

890
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:42,240
You asked for the simplest recipe.

891
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,660
So how about this?

892
00:31:43,660 --> 00:31:46,300
One ingredient, banana ice cream.

893
00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:48,640
You have to take a banana that's ripe,

894
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,300
you peel it, you freeze it, and then

895
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:52,500
through a variety of machines, and I outline

896
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:54,700
many of the machines, you turn it into

897
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:56,120
the most delicious ice cream.

898
00:31:56,420 --> 00:31:57,960
How about a two-ingredient recipe?

899
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Game-changing granola.

900
00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:02,640
Very ripe bananas mixed with oats.

901
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,620
Maybe you're putting in some cinnamon and vanilla,

902
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,320
and you dehydrate it.

903
00:32:06,860 --> 00:32:08,800
This is one of my favourite recipes in

904
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680
the book, and it's only, whoa, it's only

905
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,220
four ingredients, and I make these all the

906
00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:14,540
time.

907
00:32:14,820 --> 00:32:16,960
All you really need is a food processor.

908
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:19,480
These are called thumbprint cookies.

909
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,840
They are so delicious.

910
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:22,860
You can fill them with any fruit jam

911
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:23,280
you want.

912
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:24,580
And by the way, you don't have to

913
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,160
make fruit jam, even though there is a

914
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,300
recipe in my book for chia jam, which

915
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:29,680
is just fruit and chia seeds.

916
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
You can buy it commercially everywhere, even Walmart.

917
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,200
And the cookie part is just dates and

918
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,680
oats and vanilla powder.

919
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:39,580
And these are so delicious, and they only

920
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:40,940
bake for five minutes.

921
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:43,780
This is a very popular recipe from my

922
00:32:43,780 --> 00:32:44,040
book.

923
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,880
These are called Goodman peanut chews.

924
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:47,820
Goodman was my name before I was married.

925
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,960
There are three ingredients in the base, peanuts,

926
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,320
dates, and vanilla powder.

927
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,380
And the top is just melted 100%

928
00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:59,340
cacao, or you can get date sweetened chocolate

929
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:01,040
now, and peanuts.

930
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,540
These are just like amazing.

931
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,240
And I don't know, these remind me of

932
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,300
Golden Girl peanut chews.

933
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Talk us through this, because this is precisely

934
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,080
the kind of thing I would like to

935
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
make, because my sweet tooth kicks up at

936
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,240
night, right around 9 30.

937
00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:18,420
I've worked all day.

938
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,100
I feel like I deserve something, and one

939
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,640
of those would just be screaming, eat me.

940
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:26,100
And you can keep these in the freezer.

941
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,540
If you can see, I cut them very

942
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:29,820
small, and these just came from the freezer.

943
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,360
So you can just take it out, and

944
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,080
actually they're delicious frozen.

945
00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:34,700
They taste like a frozen snicker bar.

946
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,880
So these are great, and I keep these

947
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,380
on hand.

948
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,260
And I think sometimes if you have a

949
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:41,920
healthy treat on hand, you won't eat something

950
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,520
less healthy.

951
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:44,240
So that's why it's always good to have

952
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,680
something in your fridge.

953
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,380
Talk us through those snicker type cubes.

954
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,660
Well, okay.

955
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,940
So really easy to make.

956
00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:55,700
You need a food processor fitted with the

957
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:56,140
S blade.

958
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,060
I recommend one that's larger rather than one

959
00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:59,980
that's super tiny.

960
00:34:00,260 --> 00:34:02,060
A Breville is the one I like.

961
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,080
You can not know affiliation to the company,

962
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,139
Cuisinart, any food processor that you like is

963
00:34:07,139 --> 00:34:07,420
good.

964
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:09,719
And you simply take the peanuts that are

965
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
unsalted but roasted, and you process them in

966
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,100
your food processor, not to the point where

967
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,800
they become peanut butter, but just so they

968
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719
become like crumbs, like breadcrumbs.

969
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,340
And then you're going to add your dates.

970
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,659
I prefer the deglutinor that are pitted because

971
00:34:22,659 --> 00:34:24,239
they're a little bit drier than the medjool.

972
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,580
And then as you process them, a ball

973
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:28,480
starts to form, and it starts to stick

974
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:28,820
together.

975
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
That's kind of the idea of a Larabar,

976
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:33,360
which is a confection that some of you

977
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,500
may have heard of, widely available at many,

978
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,100
many stores.

979
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,360
And I like to add vanilla bean powder,

980
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:40,300
pure vanilla bean powder to almost all my

981
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:40,560
desserts.

982
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:41,739
And then you just press it.

983
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,080
I like to use a silicone pan because

984
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,800
then I don't have to use parchment paper,

985
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,460
and you certainly don't have to use any

986
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:49,860
kind of oil or spray oil to grease

987
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:50,080
it.

988
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:51,420
And you press it down.

989
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,780
And then on the stove, you take either

990
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:56,120
100% cacao, which you can get at

991
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,300
Walmart and most stores.

992
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,420
People have heard of baker's chocolate, for example.

993
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:01,520
And if you're using the unsweetened, you'll have

994
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,700
to add a little bit of date syrup.

995
00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:05,400
If you're getting date-sweetened chocolate, then you

996
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:05,780
don't.

997
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:06,920
And then you're going to add a little

998
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,360
bit of non-dairy milk just to help

999
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:08,880
it melt.

1000
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,520
And you spread it over the top and

1001
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,440
sprinkle it with peanuts.

1002
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,680
It really is a very quick and easy

1003
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,120
recipe.

1004
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:16,580
And people just go nuts for these.

1005
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:19,100
We have a huge vegan community in Northern

1006
00:35:19,100 --> 00:35:19,720
California.

1007
00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:21,820
And when I take these to the potluck,

1008
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,960
I mean, you put them out, and the

1009
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,620
plate is empty.

1010
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,660
And people haven't even eaten their entree yet.

1011
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:28,080
So people do really love these.

1012
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:30,860
Well, I've seen it with my own eyes,

1013
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,520
as I've said before, when we did the

1014
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,120
cooking show.

1015
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,360
Literally, there were a lot of great chefs,

1016
00:35:35,380 --> 00:35:36,780
and people did sample the food.

1017
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,120
But nope, it was the only time where

1018
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,080
the second we yelled cut, people literally swarmed

1019
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,820
in like, I've never seen any.

1020
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:48,340
I was one of them, fighting for these

1021
00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:51,980
incredible desserts that look so decadent.

1022
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,260
OK, I'm going to admit something that I'm

1023
00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:56,080
not proud of.

1024
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,520
I got inspired, and I ordered a big

1025
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,300
slab of date paste.

1026
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:04,620
And then when I got the date paste,

1027
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,360
I froze.

1028
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:08,440
I froze.

1029
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,620
It froze.

1030
00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:11,980
I stared at it for about six months,

1031
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:13,940
and I never did anything with it.

1032
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,780
For somebody who doesn't want to do the

1033
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:20,860
paste, because honestly, I looked at that paste,

1034
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,240
and it was like a psych.

1035
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,700
I needed a therapist, a date therapist, not

1036
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:26,420
a dating therapist.

1037
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,960
What about just the liquid date for those

1038
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,600
who can't?

1039
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Yeah.

1040
00:36:33,340 --> 00:36:37,720
OK, so what date paste is commercially, what

1041
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,660
you bought, is basically just dates that have

1042
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:42,480
gone through a machine called an extruder.

1043
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,540
If you think about your showerhead, how the

1044
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:46,360
water comes through different holes, or if you

1045
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,640
think, you know, bad analogy, but when people

1046
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960
would make chopped liver, and they put the

1047
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480
meat in the grinder, things coming through holes.

1048
00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:53,680
I wouldn't know.

1049
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:54,320
I wouldn't know.

1050
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:55,760
Yeah, right.

1051
00:36:55,980 --> 00:36:57,840
But if you've ever seen a movie back

1052
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,480
in the day about delicatessens, but think of

1053
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,340
the showerhead then.

1054
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,120
So you're taking whole dates, and you're putting

1055
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,260
it through this machine, and now it's coming

1056
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:06,840
out through these holes, and then that's how

1057
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:07,740
you got this brick.

1058
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,200
So when you buy date paste commercially, there's

1059
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,080
nothing wrong with it.

1060
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,120
But you're right, it is a brick, because

1061
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,020
there's no liquid in it.

1062
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:17,060
So when I make date paste, and when

1063
00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:18,360
I tell people to make the date paste

1064
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,680
for my recipes, I'm taking one pound of

1065
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,260
dates, eight ounces of water, I'm soaking it,

1066
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:25,780
and then I'm pureeing it in the food

1067
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:27,260
processor fitted with the Esplay.

1068
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,140
There's also, this is mind-blowing, Jane, there's

1069
00:37:30,140 --> 00:37:31,660
a recipe in the book to make it

1070
00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:32,640
in your instant pot.

1071
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,400
The ratio of water is different, but it

1072
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,640
takes only one minute.

1073
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960
So my date paste is really more of

1074
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,940
a semi-swell, and it's not as liquidy

1075
00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:40,700
as date syrup.

1076
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,100
The thing is, yes, you can do it,

1077
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:46,800
but in my recipes, I put them so

1078
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,600
that, realising that not everybody was going to

1079
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,720
want to buy date syrup, because maybe they

1080
00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:53,520
don't have a Walmart, maybe they're in another

1081
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,080
country, maybe they feel it's too processed.

1082
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,080
So I did concentrate mostly on whole dates

1083
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,880
and date paste, just because it is the

1084
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,880
most whole of the whole foods.

1085
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,800
That said, realise that a date is more

1086
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,340
of a solid, date syrup is more of

1087
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:08,640
a liquid.

1088
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,080
But I will tell you this, any vegan

1089
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,160
recipe, or really any recipe you have that

1090
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,260
calls for liquid sweetener, honey, maple syrup, agave,

1091
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,940
barley malt, rice syrup, coconut syrup, you can

1092
00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:21,180
substitute date syrup in a one-to-one

1093
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:21,560
ratio.

1094
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,520
So that is absolutely doable.

1095
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,400
But I can't tell you how to substitute

1096
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,040
a solid for a liquid without doing some

1097
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,700
kind of math in my head or making

1098
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:31,260
the recipe.

1099
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:34,640
But date syrup is wonderful anytime you're needing

1100
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,340
a liquid sweetener.

1101
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,180
So when we're doing things like mousses in

1102
00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:39,400
the book, like the decadent chocolate mousse, which

1103
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,000
is one of the most popular recipes I

1104
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,260
have, I demonstrated it on my YouTube channel

1105
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:43,760
yesterday.

1106
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,020
When I cook at Rancho La Puerta, this

1107
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:49,020
world-class spa in Mexico, people, their minds

1108
00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:49,360
are blown.

1109
00:38:49,460 --> 00:38:51,140
They're not vegan there, and they can't believe

1110
00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:54,100
it's dairy-free or refined sugar-free or

1111
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,220
made of tofu, for example.

1112
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,760
And so I tend to use syrup more

1113
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,140
when it's a creamy texture than I'm looking

1114
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:01,480
for.

1115
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,860
And you can use it in cakes, but,

1116
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:06,140
you know, absolutely, if that's easier for you,

1117
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,020
just know that it's not a one-to

1118
00:39:08,020 --> 00:39:09,860
-one ratio of date paste to date syrup

1119
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:11,160
because of the amount of liquid.

1120
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,800
Somebody's asking, what about date sugar?

1121
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:18,420
Is it an appropriate replacement for date syrup

1122
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:19,300
or date paste?

1123
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:20,800
Well, you see, it's not.

1124
00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:23,780
And the reason is, so what date sugar

1125
00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:26,460
is, are dates that have been dried in

1126
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:29,440
a dehydrator or by other means and then

1127
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,240
ground.

1128
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,000
So basically, what date sugar is, is very

1129
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,560
finely pulverised dates.

1130
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,860
So it's not a liquid.

1131
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:37,700
If you think about it, if you have

1132
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:39,680
a cup of tea and you put some

1133
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,600
date syrup in and you stir it, it

1134
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,240
will dissolve.

1135
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560
If you put date sugar in it, it

1136
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,920
will sink to the bottom because it doesn't

1137
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,280
dissolve.

1138
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:49,580
So as I mentioned, you can't really substitute

1139
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:50,900
a solid for a liquid.

1140
00:39:51,460 --> 00:39:52,980
It just doesn't work.

1141
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Oh my gosh, we got more callers, do

1142
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,040
we?

1143
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,100
Is Lauren in Indiana there?

1144
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,900
Lauren is gone, but we have Tiffany.

1145
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,400
Great, Tiffany, go for it.

1146
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Hello?

1147
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,760
Hi, ask your question, my dear.

1148
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:12,020
Yes, hey, I'm on the road.

1149
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,480
I'm driving back to L.A. from Sacramento

1150
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,300
and Chef AJ, I think you live in

1151
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,300
Folsom or you're from Northern California?

1152
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,640
Yes, I live in the Roseville area.

1153
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,700
Roseville, okay, that's right.

1154
00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:27,300
I'm up there every couple months.

1155
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,040
Do you have any classes coming up or

1156
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,360
any workshops or are you going to be

1157
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,900
at the clinic in Sonoma so I could

1158
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:37,900
sign up for something or what's on your

1159
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:38,320
schedule?

1160
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Wait, so you live up here?

1161
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,360
Do you live in Northern California?

1162
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,900
No, she's in L.A. I happen to

1163
00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,060
know her, but she travels.

1164
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,740
Oh, okay.

1165
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:48,740
So in L.A., the only thing I

1166
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:51,920
have coming up is October 6th, a Sunday,

1167
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,780
I'll be presenting recipes for my new book

1168
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,860
that you can sample at the Best of

1169
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:59,500
Nature Cooking School with Dr. Matt Letterman at

1170
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:02,240
7 p.m. on Sunday, October 6th at

1171
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,720
the South Bay Adventist Church at 401 South

1172
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,480
Prospect in Redondo Beach.

1173
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:10,560
And, you know, in general, thank you for

1174
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,180
that, Tiffany.

1175
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,480
I know she's a huge fan.

1176
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,580
In general, Chef AJ, people can learn.

1177
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:18,740
There's a lot of courses.

1178
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:20,440
Like every couple of days, I get an

1179
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,460
email from you saying, I'm going to this

1180
00:41:22,460 --> 00:41:22,920
conference.

1181
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,080
I'm going to that conference.

1182
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,860
I mean, you are one busy lady.

1183
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,480
Trying to make the world vegan, one person

1184
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,220
at a time.

1185
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:33,760
How are you doing?

1186
00:41:33,980 --> 00:41:36,200
You know, veganism has been under attack lately.

1187
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,500
You mentioned process, but, you know, I'm always

1188
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,360
fond of pointing out this isn't desserts necessarily,

1189
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,720
but having been vegan going on 29 years,

1190
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,400
you know, the health food restaurants and the

1191
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,960
vegan restaurants 30 years ago were brown rice,

1192
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,160
beans, and all sorts of good stuff.

1193
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,420
And then people say, I would never eat

1194
00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:57,680
that.

1195
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,040
So we created, not me personally, but the

1196
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,560
industry created veggie burgers and all sorts of

1197
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,820
things to mimic what people were demanding.

1198
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,740
And then they turn around and go, it's

1199
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:09,320
processed.

1200
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:13,480
Never mentioning that processed meat is officially cancer

1201
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,300
causing a level one carcinogen, according to the

1202
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,400
World Health Organisation.

1203
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,480
So I try to eat a whole food

1204
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:22,280
plant-based diet.

1205
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:23,660
I'm not perfect.

1206
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:25,980
I go out and have desserts and have

1207
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:27,980
dinners at fancy restaurants.

1208
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:30,940
As long as it's plant-based, I'm cool

1209
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:31,820
with it as a treat.

1210
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,420
But the point is that inherently there is

1211
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:41,500
the word processed has been thrown around by

1212
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,740
the meat industry, which has a war room,

1213
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:46,720
the size of Fox news in Colorado, where

1214
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,580
they send out negative, negative, negative, negative, negative

1215
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:51,260
stuff about veganism.

1216
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:54,540
Never mentioning that there's a lot of processing

1217
00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:56,980
that goes into animal products.

1218
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,380
And that processed meat is officially cancer causing.

1219
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:04,780
How do you balance all of that?

1220
00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:06,980
It's really hard.

1221
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,820
And because at the end of the day,

1222
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,320
I am an ethical vegan first and foremost.

1223
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,380
I'm also somebody that struggled with my weight

1224
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,740
for most of my life because I wasn't

1225
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:18,520
eating the whole food plant-based diet.

1226
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,940
And I also developed pre colon cancer at

1227
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:23,080
the age of 43, because up until then

1228
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,680
I didn't eat any fruits and vegetables.

1229
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,080
So I can see both sides of the

1230
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:27,600
equation.

1231
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:29,900
And I don't think the word processed is

1232
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:33,120
necessarily accurate with the food that you're talking

1233
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,900
about, because it's ultra processed, it's refined food.

1234
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,540
So when I take beans and put them

1235
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:40,780
in my food processor with a little tahini,

1236
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,660
lemon, and garlic and make hummus, it's processed.

1237
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,860
But that doesn't mean that all processing is

1238
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:46,140
bad.

1239
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,000
It's when you refine it to the degree

1240
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,740
that your grandmother doesn't recognise what it is

1241
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:53,480
or the ingredients it was made for.

1242
00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:56,240
And also, I don't really care if it's

1243
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:56,940
processed or not.

1244
00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:59,040
Is it health promoting or not health promoting

1245
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,080
for you?

1246
00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,920
If you are Robert Cheek, and you are

1247
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,040
at a wonderful weight, and you have wonderful

1248
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,100
health, and you go and eat a Buddha

1249
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:10,460
belly burger or whatever, it's fine.

1250
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:12,300
But if you're the kind of person that

1251
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:15,560
I'm working with, that has 18 stents in

1252
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:16,920
their heart that is about to go on

1253
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,680
diabetes medication, it's a whole different story.

1254
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:21,460
And that's why we have to treat everyone

1255
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:24,580
as an individual and not paint everyone with

1256
00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:25,320
the same brush.

1257
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,320
I always tell people, do the least restrictive

1258
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,060
diet, eat the least restrictive diet that you

1259
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:33,120
can that will work for you.

1260
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,920
And it's going to be different for everyone.

1261
00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:36,860
There's some people that are one restaurant meal

1262
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:37,900
away from a heart attack.

1263
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,360
There's other people who, through better genetics or

1264
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,680
for whatever reason, can get away with a

1265
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,280
little bit more.

1266
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,200
And again, it's what is right for you.

1267
00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:48,960
I would much rather have people eat vegan

1268
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,900
processed food or junk food than eat animal

1269
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,000
products any day.

1270
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:54,980
But it's really going to depend on the

1271
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:57,940
degree of processing, your genetics, your health goals,

1272
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,240
what works for you.

1273
00:44:59,660 --> 00:45:00,560
Very good point.

1274
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:03,900
Now, somebody wants to know does Chef AJ

1275
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:05,020
recommend monk sugar?

1276
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,440
I don't.

1277
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,800
And I can tell you why.

1278
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,980
And if you have Instagram available, was it

1279
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:13,140
yesterday or Monday that I did an Instagram

1280
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:16,520
live with Dr. Michael Gorin, a paediatric obesity

1281
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,980
specialist at USC, who actually wrote the introduction

1282
00:45:18,980 --> 00:45:19,980
to the book.

1283
00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:21,380
It is not a health food.

1284
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:23,740
If it is not found in nature in

1285
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:26,200
its whole food form, so leaf stevia, the

1286
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,460
green leaf, that's a whole food, the liquid

1287
00:45:28,460 --> 00:45:31,740
in the powder isn't, then it's not health

1288
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:32,140
promoting.

1289
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:34,080
You can't make monk sugar.

1290
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,740
It's not the same as eating monk fruit.

1291
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,680
You can't make maple syrup.

1292
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,240
Of course, I always meet a couple of

1293
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,760
people who are from Canada that can.

1294
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:43,520
But even if you can make maple syrup,

1295
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,320
do you really know how to tap the

1296
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,160
maple tree to get the 40 gallons of

1297
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
sap to boil it down to one gallon

1298
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,740
of maple syrup?

1299
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,340
You can make date syrup in your kitchen.

1300
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Before the brand that I use was available

1301
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,980
readily, I made it all the time.

1302
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,340
It just took me an hour, which I

1303
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:01,340
really don't have time to do anymore.

1304
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,140
So no, I don't recommend monk sugar or

1305
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:06,240
monk fruit or lohan or anything.

1306
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:08,600
I recommend the fruit, the whole fruit and

1307
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,740
nothing but the whole fruit.

1308
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,060
You also are a huge fan of the

1309
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:13,960
Instant Pot.

1310
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,600
And you have many, many recipes using the

1311
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,280
Instant Pot.

1312
00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:21,300
And I want to know why you are

1313
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,120
so in love with the Instant Pot.

1314
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,040
Yeah, and it doesn't have to be Instant

1315
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Pot.

1316
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:26,600
That's just the brand I have.

1317
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,080
I have the three quart and the eight

1318
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:28,340
quart.

1319
00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:29,680
They also make a six quart and a

1320
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,220
10 quart, because I love to save time.

1321
00:46:33,420 --> 00:46:35,000
And when I cook on the stove, you

1322
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,560
know, you had mentioned that to you, Jane,

1323
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:37,520
baking is daunting.

1324
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:40,080
To me, it's not because you put it

1325
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,420
in and then you can do whatever you

1326
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:42,840
want, as long as you set the timer.

1327
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,680
Cooking to me is much more stressful, because

1328
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,220
I got to be watching the stove, it

1329
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:48,720
could boil over, it could burn.

1330
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:52,060
With the Instant Pot, you literally dump everything

1331
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:53,600
in and set it, forget it.

1332
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:56,000
We actually have many Instant Pot recipes in

1333
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:56,700
Sweet Indulgence.

1334
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,240
We have a cauliflower rice pudding, we have

1335
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:02,180
an apple pie rice pudding, there is many,

1336
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,520
many recipes that use it.

1337
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,680
But I love that it helps you get

1338
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,220
meals prepared quickly.

1339
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:08,980
One of my favourite things to eat for

1340
00:47:08,980 --> 00:47:10,540
dinner are soups, stews and chillies.

1341
00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:12,780
And I can just literally put all the

1342
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:14,680
ingredients in like one of my cauliflower bisque,

1343
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,380
I take a two pound head of cauliflower,

1344
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:18,220
don't even cut it up, take a two

1345
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:20,220
pound hand of yam, don't cut it up,

1346
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:23,900
take a huge softball size sweet onion, just

1347
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:26,220
peel it, I throw it in with some

1348
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:28,080
liquid, with some spices, I push a button,

1349
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,560
I walk my dog, I take a bath,

1350
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:32,200
I come back when I want, I zhuzh

1351
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,420
it with the stick blender.

1352
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,860
I can't think of any way easier to

1353
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:37,320
cook than using a pressure cooker.

1354
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:39,380
And I prefer the electric to the stovetop,

1355
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:41,460
because the stovetop you have to babysit, the

1356
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:43,420
electric, you just go about your business.

1357
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,080
I can't think of anything easier.

1358
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:47,120
I'm actually doing a course for forks over

1359
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,040
knives, instant pot made simple, because I think

1360
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,020
it's the easiest way to get healthy food

1361
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:53,260
in your mouth quickly.

1362
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,940
You are a busy lady.

1363
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,860
And I know you have something to go

1364
00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:57,460
to soon.

1365
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,940
So I want to ask you some important

1366
00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:59,540
questions.

1367
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:02,400
You've been watching the vegan movement for many,

1368
00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:04,400
many years, as I mentioned a second ago,

1369
00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:07,760
because we've made so many advances, and because

1370
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,660
plant based is everywhere.

1371
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,540
There's pushback from the industries that you know,

1372
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:16,040
they're thinking about money in their pocket.

1373
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,420
Where do you see the vegan movement, the

1374
00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:21,580
plant based movement, however you want to describe

1375
00:48:21,580 --> 00:48:23,880
it today, based on your personal experience?

1376
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:24,560
Are you hopeful?

1377
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,020
I mean, I don't know if I'm hopeful

1378
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:30,920
for the world in general, with a lot

1379
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,640
that's going on.

1380
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,020
But I am hopeful because more and more

1381
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:37,340
young people are understanding that it's not just

1382
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:41,080
about animal ethics, or your health, but that

1383
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,580
if we don't do something, they're not going

1384
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:44,820
to have a planet to live on.

1385
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:47,240
So I am hopeful, because I, you know,

1386
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,540
when I went vegan 47 years ago, nobody

1387
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:50,720
talked about the environment.

1388
00:48:50,860 --> 00:48:52,320
That wasn't even a thing, right.

1389
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:54,520
And nobody really even talked about health.

1390
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:56,820
But you see more and more documentaries coming

1391
00:48:56,820 --> 00:48:58,720
out, you know, forks over knives, kind of

1392
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,780
got the ball rolling that, hey, this is

1393
00:49:00,780 --> 00:49:02,340
actually good for you, you're going to live

1394
00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:04,840
healthier, better reverse diseases, lose weight.

1395
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,080
And then we started seeing things like conspiracy

1396
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,020
and things about the environment, and inconvenient truth.

1397
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,740
And so I think people are getting the

1398
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:15,940
wake up call, but some people still aren't

1399
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:16,660
going to wake up.

1400
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Yeah, I agree with you.

1401
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,700
I mean, I'm a hopeful person by nature.

1402
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:24,300
And I believe in the law of unintended

1403
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:25,140
consequences.

1404
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:29,680
And we do everything we can to show

1405
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,340
people on a daily basis on a minute

1406
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:35,040
by minute basis with the network we have

1407
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,440
that veganism is not a sacrifice.

1408
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:42,040
It's a joyous, fun way of cooking is

1409
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,700
cooking more fun when you cook it meat

1410
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,900
free and dairy free and that includes eggs.

1411
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,520
Absolutely.

1412
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,940
Well, it's not just that it's more fun,

1413
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:55,080
because those things are gross anyway, but it

1414
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,880
tastes better.

1415
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:58,800
I mean, you know, think about it, Jane,

1416
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,380
people that eat meat.

1417
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:02,460
How many people really eat raw meat?

1418
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:04,000
Yeah, you could argue that some people eat

1419
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,080
sushi, but they're not just eating the fish,

1420
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,700
they're eating it with the rice and the

1421
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,240
rice has sugar and salt in it.

1422
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:12,400
And they're eating with like avocado and all

1423
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,560
kinds of dipping sauces.

1424
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,840
It's the flavour that makes whatever you're eating

1425
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,340
delicious.

1426
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:19,480
And same thing for me, you got to

1427
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,860
put a heck of a lot of salt

1428
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:22,680
and flavour on it just to be able

1429
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:23,520
to choke it down.

1430
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,540
So I even when I wasn't vegan, because

1431
00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:28,040
you know, my mom, that's all she had.

1432
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,900
I never I never understood like the big

1433
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:32,680
deal about it doesn't taste very good to

1434
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,340
me personally.

1435
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:36,140
So what's next for you?

1436
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,200
How many books have you written?

1437
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,980
And why is this one I personally feel

1438
00:50:41,980 --> 00:50:45,260
this is perhaps the most significant, although all

1439
00:50:45,260 --> 00:50:46,280
of your books are amazing.

1440
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Because so many people in America, including myself,

1441
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,100
look, everywhere you turn, there's a seduction.

1442
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:58,100
I even on my computer, I'm working my

1443
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:01,140
computer and all this bad stuff pops up.

1444
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,440
And I keep saying ad was inappropriate ad

1445
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,540
was inappropriate, and it comes right back.

1446
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,740
This is sort of the escape hatch, sweet

1447
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:11,620
indulgence.

1448
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:13,680
And if you're listening to this on the

1449
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,460
radio, sweet indulgence is the name of the

1450
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:16,740
book.

1451
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:19,380
You can just go on Amazon, write in

1452
00:51:19,380 --> 00:51:22,160
sweet indulgence and order it, you can have

1453
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,660
it tomorrow and get involved because every single

1454
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:30,440
recipe in this book also has a video

1455
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,740
attached explaining exactly how to do it.

1456
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:35,280
Yeah, if they buy the book by August

1457
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:35,700
31.

1458
00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:37,620
And, you know, thank you, I guess I've

1459
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:38,340
written four books.

1460
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,280
And I'm hoping this book won't just be

1461
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:40,820
for vegans.

1462
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,560
I work places like spas, where people are

1463
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,620
never going to become vegan.

1464
00:51:44,780 --> 00:51:46,340
But for whatever reason, they need to be

1465
00:51:46,340 --> 00:51:48,220
gluten free, or they just don't want to

1466
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:49,000
eat refined sugar.

1467
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,340
So I'm hoping that many of those people

1468
00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:53,600
will get the book on purpose or accidentally.

1469
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,820
And that might open a door for them

1470
00:51:55,820 --> 00:51:58,260
to become either fully vegan, or at least

1471
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:58,980
more vegan.

1472
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,020
That is my hope.

1473
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,240
Well, I would never disagree with you normally.

1474
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,420
But I never say never.

1475
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,060
I always call everybody a pre vegan and

1476
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:10,240
say there's always hope for every single person

1477
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:11,980
I've had people I thought would never go

1478
00:52:11,980 --> 00:52:12,700
and then boom.

1479
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:13,600
Yeah.

1480
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:15,440
I wish it could be.

1481
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Yeah, I can tell you my brother's never

1482
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,060
going vegan.

1483
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:21,800
But other than that, no, I do hold

1484
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,060
hope that people will, will eventually do the

1485
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:25,660
right thing.

1486
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Well, chef, I just want you to know,

1487
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:30,860
Chef AJ, that you're my hero.

1488
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:35,660
You make cooking the ethical way the sustainable

1489
00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:39,640
way, the healthy way, the delicious way so

1490
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,520
much fun.

1491
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:42,620
And it is an adventure.

1492
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:47,580
You epitomise you embody the joyousness of plant

1493
00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:48,500
based cooking.

1494
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,380
And I just would love you and your

1495
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:54,260
videos and your books to be in every

1496
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:56,920
home, not only in America, but the world.

1497
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,320
The book is sweet indulgence, right there, get

1498
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:01,980
it on Amazon.

1499
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,400
And, you know, start having fun without any

1500
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,960
that's the point.

1501
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,920
So I want to say thank you to

1502
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,300
you, and wishing you the very best.

1503
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:14,420
And I know you're going to have more,

1504
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:17,580
more, more, more books, more recipes, more films,

1505
00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:18,560
more everything.

1506
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:20,700
Look, thank you so much.

1507
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,620
And thank you everyone for watching or listening

1508
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:25,500
and realise you don't have to desert desert

1509
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,640
when you make it from the fruit, the

1510
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,740
whole fruit and nothing but the whole fruit.

1511
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:31,760
Perfect way to end it.

1512
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,400
Thank you, Chef AJ.

1513
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:36,180
Now I'm going to tell you a little

1514
00:53:36,180 --> 00:53:38,740
bit about Unchained TV in the minute that

1515
00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:39,640
we have remaining.

1516
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You are if you're watching, you're watching Unchained

1517
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1518
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1519
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1524
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1525
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1526
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1527
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1528
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Look, the the interview that we're doing right

1529
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,800
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1530
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1531
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1532
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1535
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And sometimes people go, what's the catch?

1536
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What's the hook?

1537
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:33,700
Well, there is no catch.

1538
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:34,460
There is no book.

1539
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,120
It's a huge group of us who are

1540
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,420
doing this because we know that this is

1541
00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:41,760
the missing piece of the puzzle when it

1542
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comes to environmentalism, saving our planet from an

1543
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ecological collapse, which is really what we're facing.

1544
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:53,440
So it's a vegan Netflix.

1545
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Okay, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1546
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1552
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1553
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1554
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1556
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1561
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1562
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1564
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1568
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Just go to unchainedtv.com.

1569
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:51,640
I want to thank you for joining us.

1570
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,900
And I hope you do order the book

1571
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:55,160
Sweet Indulgence.

1572
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,260
I'm going to start making some of these

1573
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:58,640
recipes right away.

1574
00:55:58,940 --> 00:55:59,900
See you next time.