UnchainedTV: Could Bird Flu Be the Next Pandemic?

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Just as we were going to air, news

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has come down that is quite disturbing.

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Health officials, according to the Associated Press, are

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saying a Louisiana patient is the first severe

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bird flu case in the United States.

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And the Associated Press article adds that this

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year more than 60 bird flu infections have

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been reported with more than half of them

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in California.

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In two, an adult in Missouri and a

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child in California, health officials have not determined

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how they caught it.

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Our question today is, is our horrific treatment

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of farmed animals setting us up for the

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next pandemic?

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And before you decide whether that is an

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exaggeration, we'll take a look at this.

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Numerous dairy cows have been spotted dead near

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the side of the road in California, documented

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on videotape by veterinarian and founder of Our

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Honour, Dr. Crystal Heath, who will be joining

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us in a bit.

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And now the USDA is going to be

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testing cow's milk.

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According to NBC, the mandate targeting bulk milk

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transporters and dairy processors is meant to help

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identify herds that have caught the virus, which

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has spread among livestock.

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So what happens when they find, look at

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this cow, if you're listening, take our word

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for it, nasal discharge, clearly a sick cow.

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What happens when they start identifying bird flu

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amongst all of these cows?

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Are they going to do what they did

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to and have been doing to many, many

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millions of chickens?

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Look at this.

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This is how sick our society has gotten.

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This is a bird being baked to death

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live in a process called ventilation shutdown.

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And they're doing it to millions of birds.

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2,000 veterinarians have signed a petition saying,

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tell corporations to stop using ventilation shutdown plus.

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Basically, they seal off the area and they

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turn up the heat and they bake these

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animals alive.

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It takes them hours to die.

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It's kind of like when you get the

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termite removed and they tank your house and

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then they turn up the heat and you

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got to leave for a couple of days.

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This is what they're doing to millions of

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animals.

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Guess who's paying for all that?

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Us.

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The U.S. government subsidises this.

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Meanwhile, the U.S. government is going on

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and on and on about how we have

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to, oh, do something to stop bird flu.

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And don't worry, mostly focused on go ahead,

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keep eating your milk and your dairy and

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your meat.

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It's OK, consumers, nothing to worry about here.

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You know, will the human race ever learn?

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We just went through a pandemic that killed

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millions of people.

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And whether you believe it started in the

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Wuhan market where they were torturing animals to

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be chopped up alive in a retail setting,

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or you think it started in the laboratory

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where they were also torturing animals in experiments.

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It's zoonotic, people.

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Seventy three percent of the emerging pathogens are

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zoonotic, means they come from animals.

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Bottom line, our horrific treatment of animals is

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what's brought us again to this crisis.

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I want to go straight out to Robert

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Grillo of Free From Harm.

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Robert, you've been on the forefront of this,

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speaking truth to power.

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Where are we as a society that we're

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here again after just barely crawling out of

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the last pandemic?

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Yeah, right.

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And just the other day, Jane, Congress passed

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a disaster relief bill, which is which is

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giving 21 billion dollars to 21 billion, by

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the way, not million billion dollars to ranchers

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and livestock producers who have suffered losses from

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disease, from drought, from wildfires.

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All of the things that that industry actually

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creates is the biggest driver.

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Right.

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So the insanity in that alone is hard

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to wrap your head around.

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But I'll tell you, you know, I have

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been to some industry conferences lately, like I

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was recently at the Federal Reserve Bank Agriculture

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Forum.

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And, you know, people are scared and they

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don't know where this is headed.

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The best experts don't know where this is

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headed.

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But the health experts around the world are

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sounding the alarm, like they have been doing

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for years, that bird flu is an inevitability

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if we don't change course.

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Again, I would like you to look at,

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and this is just a snippet, the cows,

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the dead cows piling up on the side

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of the roads in California, which, by the

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way, is the largest dairy state and the

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fifth largest economy in the world.

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This is a horror show.

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And it's something that is happening right now

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in real time in California.

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I had to look at this footage yesterday

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getting ready for the show, and I was

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just horrified.

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Now, here's another image of a sick cow.

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You can see the nasal discharge coming out

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of the cow's nose.

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And obviously, the cow was surrounded by other

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cows, some of whom appear to be downed,

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but others are walking around.

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That is, you know, to me, and I'm

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the first to say I'm not an expert

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on this issue.

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But to me, that is the first sign

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that cows are not being isolated, who are

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showing symptoms.

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And so that just on a basic logic

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level would mean that it could spread more

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rapidly.

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And I just can't believe that we are

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sleepwalking into this next disaster.

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I want to go to Amber Canavan, who's

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with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

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Amber, please tell me what PETA's position is

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on this emerging crisis.

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Well, PETA has been saying for years, I

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mean, back when we were in the previous

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avian flu outbreaks, and swine flu, and every

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other one that's come out is that the

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vast majority of emerging diseases come from animals.

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And that is from mostly from mass confining

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them for food or, or taking them from

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the wild.

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And the thing we need to do to

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prevent the next pandemic is to go vegan.

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Because when factory farms are cramming thousands or

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10s of thousands or even millions of animals

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into cramped, filthy conditions, you're creating a petri

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dish for diseases to spread, especially when they're

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spreading between species.

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So the fact that this is jumped into

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cows used for dairy is definitely very concerning.

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I mean, it really is.

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And I, again, I'm not an expert in

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this subject at all.

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I've been reading articles, it's complicated.

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But the bottom line is that we are

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treating 92 billion animals every year, like trash,

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torturing them in industrial conditions.

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And we expect that there's no repercussions.

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I personally believe that nature is sending us

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a signal that this has got to stop.

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And so now I want to talk about

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the specific new breaking news.

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There's two right before we went on the

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air, if you're just joining us, we got

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word that there's a first.

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And that is health officials are now saying

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a Louisiana patient is the first severe bird

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flu case in the United States.

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This is according to the Associated Press.

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Overall, more than 60 bird flu infections have

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been reported with over half of them in

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California.

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And here's the other breaking news is that

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the US Department of Agriculture has now ordered

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the testing of milk for bird flu.

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So I know you, Robert Grillo, are urging

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everybody and I would just say take a

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snapshot of this.

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If you're watching, if you're listening, I will

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give you the number.

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Call the USDA 202-720-3631.

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That's 202-720-3631.

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I just called right before air, I got

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a voicemail.

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And what I said was, the United States

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government has got to stop subsidising the dairy

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industry.

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73% of the dairy industry's profits in

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one shape or another come from US government

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subsidies.

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That means that we, the taxpayers, are paying

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73% of the dairy industry's profits.

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While 68% minimum, according to the National

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Institutes of Health, 68% of the world's

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population is lactose intolerant, which means most of

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us are allergic to dairy.

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So right there, it's illogical to push it.

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And then additionally, we're all talking about Make

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America Healthy Again and the obesity crisis.

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And what's contributing mightily to the obesity crisis?

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Ice cream, cheese, dairy, milkshakes, which again, the

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US government is subsidising.

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It blows my mind, not to mention climate

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change.

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We're in a climate crisis.

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And the US government is purportedly trying to

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solve the climate crisis, while they're actually fuelling

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the climate crisis with subsidies to animal agriculture,

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which is a leading contributor to climate change.

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Robert Grillo, my head explodes when I think

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about the stupidity.

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Yeah, well, it's unbelievable.

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And we could talk about the whole show

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about that.

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But what I really want to do is

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hopefully provide people with a path to how

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we how we can have an impact on

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this.

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And of course, the digital call to action,

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call Vilsack's office, follow up with an email,

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do both if you can.

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We have a script on our social channels

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for what to say if you're not sure,

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but there's three core things.

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And one of them is, we want the

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USTA to charge the corporations, not taxpayers, for

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this bird flu disaster that the industry itself

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is spreading, not taxpayers.

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The second thing is, which they probably will

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do is quarantine stop animals and product, milk

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product from leaving infected farms.

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Over half of the California dairy farms have

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had positive infections.

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Those farms should not be selling milk.

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This will have a huge impact on the

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industry.

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And the last thing we want is we

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want the records made public of all of

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the infections that humans, workers, other humans, and

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animals, we want those records made public.

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The USDA doesn't want to make those records

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public, because they don't want to scare the

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public into thinking that we have a problem

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that they actually don't know how to control.

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But let me just say something about more

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than what we can do.

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Okay, so we had a group of very

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brave people, activists go to a cattle health

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meeting in Sacramento at the California Department of

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Food and Agriculture.

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Actually, it was at the California Farm Bureau

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offices, just to show you how cosy, the

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most influential animal ag lobby group, the Farm

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Bureau is with the Department of Agriculture, just

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to show you that they have many of

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their meetings at this California Farm Bureau's office.

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And it's only people that have a vested

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interest in the animal ag industry.

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So they had a cattle health meeting, and

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they were talking about bird flu and what

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they can do about it.

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And for the first, perhaps the first time,

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there were activists in the room that were

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telling them that their policy is a disaster,

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and that they are betraying CDFA's mission of

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putting public health first.

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And they are not putting public health first.

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This is not a complicated issue.

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This is about putting industry profits, dairy industry

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profits above public health, trying to save the

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dairy industry at any expense, even if it

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means a pandemic.

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Well, the US government is the dairy industry.

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The USDA is run by Tom Vilsack, who

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was a dairy industry executive.

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Prior to becoming the USDA Secretary for the

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second time, he was Secretary the first time

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under the Obama administration.

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So Amber, I mean, what can we do

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about the incredible ties between the dairy industry

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and the US government to the point where

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they are essentially, in my view, one and

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the same?

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Right?

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I mean, well, first of all, whenever things

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like this are happening that, you know, do

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seem far above our heads, the first thing

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people should do is to stop giving money

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to these industries in the first place before

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going vegan, by going vegan, sorry.

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PETA does also have our subsidies campaign.

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So we are urging the government to pull

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subsidies out of the animal agriculture industry and

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put that into healthy vegan food production.

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And yeah, contacting Vilsack right now is also,

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as the action alert on the screen was,

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to let them know that people are upset

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that especially the dairy industry, but also the

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egg industry has been getting so many passes

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recently, and is getting covered.

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They're getting covered to mass kill all these

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animals at taxpayer expense.

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And we're all suffering for it.

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And you had mentioned, Robert, that there were

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activists at that hearing, we have a clip

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of one brave activist who stood up and

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spoke truth to power.

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I'm worried about that bird flu very much.

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And I know that there are dead dairy

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cows infected with bird flu that lay along

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the roadside near dairy farms.

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The scavengers go after them.

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There's no biosecurity or warning.

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And that scavenger hunt there actually spreads the

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disease of bird flu to wildlife, other birds

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and humans.

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How can the CDFA allow this?

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And are you putting industry profits over public

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health and animal welfare?

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That's my question.

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And we are showing you, these are still

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photos, we also have video shot by Dr.

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Crystal Heath, a veterinarian, who is the founder

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of Our Honour, a veterinarian organisation that seeks

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to stop the mass torture.

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And I know that Oh, oh, you're so

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exaggerating.

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No, the mass torture of animals in the

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industrialised food system.

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And instead of being applauded for her work,

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she is actually being attacked.

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We're going to be speaking to her in

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a few minutes.

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Right now she is doing spay neuters.

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And she's going to try to go on

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a break at the half hour mark and

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join us and tell us how she got

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these images and she did not trespass.

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First user of trespassing, when she's taking the

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video, you can hear the sound of the

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cars right behind her.

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In fact, let me play something.

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So you can hear the sound of the

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cars.

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You can also see the fence.

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And additionally, what scared me about that video,

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and I've been watching these videos for a

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couple of days now, it's it's really debilitating,

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is that you've got obviously sick, possibly dead,

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they look dead cows.

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And then you've got healthy ones walking around.

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So again, the idea that just as your

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activists stated at that hearing, they're not be

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the animals are not being separated, that that

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is just going to allow them to spread

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logic tells me that what are you saying,

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Robert?

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I'm saying that, listen, I've, I've had a

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conversation with Karen Ross, the Secretary of Agriculture.

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I asked her directly about ventilation shutdown in

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about what her concern level is about bird

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flu.

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Those people that were representatives of her office

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at that cattle health meeting, from the video

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that you just showed, they're rattled.

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They don't know exactly what to do.

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They're trying to save face.

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But we need more people.

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If we want media attention on this, we

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need more activists that are willing to go

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to these meetings, confront these power holders, from

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the Agriculture Authority in California, California Department of

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Food and Agriculture, and interact with them face

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to face demand answers face to face, because

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all the emails and calls in the world

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will not be enough to solve this.

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We need people willing to participate face to

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face.

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So that's, that's the effort that we're really

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involved in right now.

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Yes, and we're going to keep putting this

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up over and over again throughout the show.

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I called right before we went on the

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air 202-720-3631.

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And I left a voicemail.

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Do I know whether that's going to have

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an impact?

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No, but I know that if I don't

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make the call, it definitely won't have an

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impact.

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So I think they get inundated with calls.

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You know, somebody walks up, I've been on

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the other side, and I've seen how it

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works.

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Somebody walks up to some executive and says,

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Hey, we're getting a lot of calls on

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this bird flu thing.

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I mean, yeah, it's, it's out of control.

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You know, something's got to be done.

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People are people.

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Yeah, there's, there's a lot of politically incorrect

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phrases I could use to describe how they

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will treat the general public in terms of,

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oh, they're getting, they're getting restless.

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Let's look, let's just put it that way.

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Now, I want to go back to Amber

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Canavan of PETA for the ethical treatment of

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animals.

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You know, as I was reading articles about

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this, the amount of animals, the sheer number

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of animals that we are killing for food

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is, is beyond comprehension, but then just killing

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because they've been exposed to the bird flu.

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According to Science Alert, more than 300 million

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poultry birds have been killed or culled since

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October 2021, while 315 different species of wild

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birds have died across 79 countries.

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The World Organisation for Animal Health told AFP.

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Globally, 300 million birds.

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And how do we wrap our mind around

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that kind of horror, Amber?

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Anybody who's been involved in trying to protect

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animals for a long time.

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I mean, we're raising and killing 10 billion

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animals in the United States, land animals every

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year.

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And that number, for me at least, is

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always ticking in my mind.

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But yes, these mass killings for disease control

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are incredibly disturbing.

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The ventilation shutdown and ventilation shutdown plus.

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In birds, avian flu is fatal.

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They're going to die if they get it.

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Cows, that has not been the case so

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far.

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But the extent of how sick they are

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appearing to get now is very worrying.

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And yeah, we may see some killing of

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the cows going forward.

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And again, that is just part and parcel

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of the industry.

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Any animal who is not profitable will be

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disposed of, as we have seen through disease

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outbreaks.

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Or if an animal is injured or sick,

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it's not worth it for veterinary care.

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And they're just, they're killed.

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In the dairy industry, if a cow cannot

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get pregnant, she is worthless to the industry

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and she'll be killed.

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That's just the nature of raising and killing

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animals for food and using them for profit.

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And we need to change the way we

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see animals.

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And people need to get active.

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We have alerts on our website and of

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course, contacting the USDA.

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You know, I thought maybe the pandemic that

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we just went through COVID-19 would have

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woken us up.

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But it didn't.

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It really did not.

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Unfortunately, the amount of meat that is being

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consumed is going up globally.

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I mean, the numbers are just beyond staggering.

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I've heard the word pandemic fatigue, right?

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So people are, they just made it through

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one and it's hard to imagine we're heading

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into another.

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But these numbers don't lie.

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These are massive, massive amounts of chickens and

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turkeys mainly who've been mass killed in some

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of the cruellest ways possible because of this

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outbreak.

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And anyone who is purchasing meat, dairy or

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eggs right now, they are paying for that.

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Yeah, ultimately, it's a consumer issue.

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And what really strikes me in the so

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called environmentalists are always saying, well, you know,

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we can't just rely on individual action.

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We've got to have systemic change.

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Yes, we can rely on individual action if

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all the individuals got together and took the

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right action.

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Right here, the New York Times reported last

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year, researchers, and this is an Oxford University

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study, very, very well regarded.

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Researchers examined a diet of 55,500 people

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and found that vegans are responsible for 75

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% less in greenhouse gases than meat eaters.

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Now put another way, if you want to

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solve the climate crisis, if we all went

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plant based, if the word vegan makes you

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a little crazy, well, let's just say plant

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based.

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If we all went plant based, we could

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put a massive dent in the climate crisis.

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We're going to now be joined by Dr.

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Crystal Heath.

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Dr. Heath, thank you so much for being

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here.

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I know you're doing a spay neuters and

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working very hard today.

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So I thank you for taking time off

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for for a few minutes.

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I want to go right into the video

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that you have provided and you've written now

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an article for Time Magazine.

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You've been in major publications.

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So you have a lot of credentials.

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You are an expert in the subject.

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What are we looking at?

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And please leave the names of the farms

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out.

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We're just in general here.

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Okay, so this was taken October 8th, and

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it was about 90 degrees that day when

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I went and I just drove along the

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side of the road.

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I basically went to where the most dairies

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were and just drove by each dairy to

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see if I could find any signs of

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avian influenza.

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And pretty quickly, this was in Pixley, California

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in Tulare County.

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I found this pile alongside the road.

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And then this is also this is in

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the city of Tulare.

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You'll see two aborted foetuses and then the

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mom with nasal discharge and just flies everywhere.

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And that's been a huge question, too, is

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are these flies spreading this virus as well?

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And there's so many birds around everywhere.

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And the idea of that these can be

542
00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:48,690
biosecure facilities is just laughable when you have

543
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:50,070
birds, when you have flies.

544
00:26:51,970 --> 00:26:55,470
It's an impossible situation that we've created with

545
00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:58,130
modern intensive animal agriculture.

546
00:26:58,890 --> 00:27:00,090
Guess what?

547
00:27:00,330 --> 00:27:03,330
We've got more breaking news.

548
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:08,530
California Governor Gavin Newsom has just declared a

549
00:27:08,530 --> 00:27:12,350
state of emergency over bird flu, calling it

550
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:14,270
a proactive action.

551
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:16,350
I am reading right now.

552
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:18,990
I literally got a text from a friend,

553
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:22,710
an amazing activist, Adita Bernkrant in New York

554
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:24,030
with New York class.

555
00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:27,590
She's watching our broadcast and she said, there's

556
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:28,670
breaking news, Jane.

557
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:29,890
Let me read it to you.

558
00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:32,270
And this is from CBS News.

559
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:35,870
California Governor Gavin Newsom has issued.

560
00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:37,890
We might as well take a look at

561
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:39,690
the problem while we talk about this.

562
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,890
California Governor Gavin Newsom has issued an emergency

563
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:44,670
proclamation on Wednesday.

564
00:27:44,670 --> 00:27:48,130
That's today in response to growing concerns over

565
00:27:48,130 --> 00:27:50,810
bird flu cases in the state and across

566
00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:51,430
the country.

567
00:27:51,650 --> 00:27:55,190
The state of emergency proclamation comes after more

568
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:58,350
bird flu cases were detected in Southern California

569
00:27:58,350 --> 00:28:00,670
dairy cows, the governor's office stated.

570
00:28:01,210 --> 00:28:04,130
Wednesday also saw the Centres for Disease Control

571
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:08,150
and Prevention report the first severe illness in

572
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:11,490
a person due to bird flu in Louisiana.

573
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:13,890
We had reported that at the top of

574
00:28:13,890 --> 00:28:14,370
the hour.

575
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:18,790
Dr. Heath, what's reaction to this declaration of

576
00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:21,310
a state of emergency in California?

577
00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:24,450
Yeah, I actually just saw that before I

578
00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,430
got on to and I tweeted about it.

579
00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:28,630
It's like finally, Gavin Newsom has entered the

580
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:28,910
chat.

581
00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:32,930
We've lost 80% of California's chickens have

582
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:34,990
been exterminated due to avian influenza.

583
00:28:35,490 --> 00:28:38,490
Like grocery store shelves are empty when so

584
00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:42,050
many people still are dependent on protein from

585
00:28:42,050 --> 00:28:42,610
animals.

586
00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:45,950
I wonder what this will mean.

587
00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:49,250
It usually means that they can mobilise resources

588
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:49,710
better.

589
00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:50,930
So what will that mean?

590
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,770
Will that mean that they are able to

591
00:28:53,770 --> 00:28:54,830
test more workers?

592
00:28:55,170 --> 00:28:57,130
Are they going to be able to compensate

593
00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:59,510
workers for when they have to take time

594
00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,270
off work?

595
00:29:00,470 --> 00:29:02,650
Because that's been a big barrier to testing

596
00:29:02,650 --> 00:29:04,730
workers is because they don't want to be

597
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:05,070
tested.

598
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,690
They're not consenting to testing because they don't

599
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:09,830
want to have to take time off work

600
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:11,550
and lose that income.

601
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:15,090
But meanwhile, they're still spreading this in the

602
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:15,610
communities.

603
00:29:16,390 --> 00:29:19,250
And I actually a colleague of mine last

604
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:22,710
week went to one of the big depopulations

605
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:25,510
that was happening and took photos of workers

606
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:29,810
without masks on and with the masks below

607
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:30,510
the nose.

608
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:32,110
And so that's a concern.

609
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:34,410
Are they not being provided with enough PPE?

610
00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:37,990
Why are they not being educated enough about

611
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:39,250
the risks of this virus?

612
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:43,490
Why such lax protocols related to PPE?

613
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:46,570
So it'll be interesting to see what happens

614
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:48,130
as a result of this state of emergency.

615
00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:53,810
Well, I'm showing a photo that is a

616
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:56,530
bird being killed slowly with something called ventilation

617
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:57,070
shutdown.

618
00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:59,930
Plus, you have led the way, leading more

619
00:29:59,930 --> 00:30:03,190
than 2000 veterinarians to sign a petition saying

620
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:05,890
this is, well, I'll say it for myself.

621
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:06,730
This is evil.

622
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:10,670
This is evil, baking millions of animals to

623
00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:13,570
death and forcing taxpayers to pay for it.

624
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:16,290
I'm just going to declare a state of

625
00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:16,730
evil.

626
00:30:17,270 --> 00:30:18,610
How about that?

627
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:23,670
What can we do about this, Robert?

628
00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:26,430
Well, Jane, I just wanted to say that

629
00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:28,730
what I thought was really interesting was that

630
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:31,190
there's a farm workers union, I believe.

631
00:30:31,670 --> 00:30:33,230
I forgot the name of it, but also

632
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:35,770
some public health groups that are now starting

633
00:30:35,770 --> 00:30:43,010
to organise to build awareness about this and

634
00:30:43,010 --> 00:30:44,950
try to change the government's policy.

635
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:48,270
And what's interesting about that is where are

636
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:48,510
we?

637
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:53,830
We should be rallying at the governor's mansion.

638
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:58,970
We should be championing this state of emergency,

639
00:30:59,170 --> 00:31:00,350
whatever it actually means.

640
00:31:00,470 --> 00:31:02,730
Like Crystal said, it probably means freeing up

641
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:05,670
funding to get to this problem.

642
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,450
But in any case, we should use this

643
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:14,410
opportunity to amplify our message instead of sitting

644
00:31:14,410 --> 00:31:17,030
back and watching this unfold.

645
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:20,210
And it's an opportunity for us to really

646
00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:23,490
get a bigger message out about the industry

647
00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:27,350
and the problems the industry creates for animals,

648
00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:30,690
for public health, for the climate crisis and

649
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:31,990
any number of farm workers.

650
00:31:32,790 --> 00:31:34,570
So that's what I wish.

651
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:37,570
I would like to see more of us

652
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:38,290
doing this.

653
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:41,090
We should be at the USDA's office.

654
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:43,690
We should be at Gavin Newsom's mansion.

655
00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:45,890
We should be at the CDFA headquarters.

656
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:49,370
We should be prioritising this because it's a

657
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:52,550
huge trigger event that we could turn into

658
00:31:52,550 --> 00:31:53,730
something big.

659
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:56,830
Well, let me say you do more than

660
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:59,870
99% of the people in trying to

661
00:31:59,870 --> 00:32:01,150
speak truth to power.

662
00:32:01,550 --> 00:32:03,490
I have a clip of you and your

663
00:32:03,490 --> 00:32:08,090
team trying to basically stop the farm bill,

664
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:11,310
the upcoming farm bill from bailing out these

665
00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:13,810
industries for another five to 10 years.

666
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:16,590
While at the same time, the incoming administration

667
00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:18,770
is talking about wanting to cut waste.

668
00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:23,250
The farm bill is a product of dark

669
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:25,630
money that comes from the meat, dairy and

670
00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:27,850
egg industries who have bought your vote through

671
00:32:27,850 --> 00:32:30,530
millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

672
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:34,150
You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse

673
00:32:34,150 --> 00:32:36,550
to pay for these outbreaks that come from

674
00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:38,950
confining and slaughtering billions of animals.

675
00:32:39,550 --> 00:32:42,670
Not another penny for cooking millions of birds

676
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:43,150
alive.

677
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:46,130
It's time to fund a slaughter-free, plant

678
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:47,370
-based food system.

679
00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:09,230
No, you didn't come to that.

680
00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:12,930
All right.

681
00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:14,470
Well, there you go.

682
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:17,990
This was prior to the declaration of the

683
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:18,790
state emergency.

684
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:22,110
The farm bill has not been passed in

685
00:33:22,110 --> 00:33:22,710
full.

686
00:33:23,030 --> 00:33:24,470
It's still being debated.

687
00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:27,230
Where are we with that?

688
00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:30,810
Because clearly to me, that is the key

689
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:32,270
to solving this.

690
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:35,570
If the US government stopped propping up the

691
00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:37,610
dairy industry, it would collapse.

692
00:33:38,150 --> 00:33:40,150
Kids aren't drinking milk the way they did

693
00:33:40,150 --> 00:33:42,130
back in the beaver days.

694
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:46,190
And we've got a growing awareness, thanks to

695
00:33:46,190 --> 00:33:48,650
organisations like PETA and Switch for Good, that

696
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:51,990
most people are allergic to dairy products.

697
00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:55,870
The National Institutes of Health itself says 68

698
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:59,970
% of humans experience lactose malabsorption.

699
00:33:59,970 --> 00:34:02,450
No shock, because we are not cows.

700
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:04,770
So we shouldn't be drinking the breast milk

701
00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:05,270
of cows.

702
00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:09,030
The US government is keeping this industry afloat.

703
00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:11,630
And now it is killing people in a

704
00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:15,469
new way with potentially, we've got a critically

705
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:18,949
ill person in Louisiana due to bird flu.

706
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:23,170
And now it's infecting dairy cows, as we

707
00:34:23,170 --> 00:34:23,489
saw.

708
00:34:23,810 --> 00:34:28,290
And still, the USDA and the government remains

709
00:34:28,290 --> 00:34:35,790
completely, completely, completely blind to its role in

710
00:34:35,790 --> 00:34:39,969
basically funding this industry.

711
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:43,230
I just can't believe the stupidity, Robert.

712
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:45,150
I'm at a loss for words.

713
00:34:46,650 --> 00:34:49,250
Well, I think we tend to look at

714
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:52,630
this industry and the USDA as this kind

715
00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:57,770
of monolithic force that is impenetrable and immune

716
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:58,650
to change.

717
00:34:58,810 --> 00:35:02,130
But in actuality, when you actually go to

718
00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:05,350
their conferences and you talk to people, what

719
00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:08,150
you find is that they're scared shitless.

720
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:10,230
I don't know any other way to put

721
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:10,550
it.

722
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:13,730
But they're in a very vulnerable situation here.

723
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:17,290
And we can have an impact.

724
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:21,390
We can leverage these weaknesses of the system

725
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:23,810
that they've created, that they've propped up.

726
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:29,510
And we can use it to gain popular

727
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:33,270
support, to change policy.

728
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:37,070
Are we seeing that in the new voices

729
00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:41,970
we're hearing from people calling for cutting agriculture

730
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:47,830
subsidies, criticising fast food and factory farming?

731
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:50,490
All of a sudden, we're hearing RFK and

732
00:35:50,490 --> 00:35:53,390
others talk about ending factory farming or cutting

733
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:54,390
subsidies for it.

734
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:58,430
If that's really true, are we looking at

735
00:35:58,430 --> 00:36:01,990
a big change in policy?

736
00:36:02,510 --> 00:36:04,590
But even if we're not, we should be

737
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:08,110
calling their bluffs and saying, if you really

738
00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:11,530
are so against factory farming, the first biggest

739
00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:13,870
thing you could do is cut subsidies to

740
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:16,790
this industry, because it's basically on life support.

741
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:20,730
And without these subsidies, you pull the plug

742
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:24,730
and the industry is going to be crippled

743
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:25,470
financially.

744
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:30,770
Even if we shift the subsidies by 20

745
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:33,910
to 30 percent, it's going to be crippling

746
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:35,030
for this industry.

747
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:37,830
I mean, look at what we're looking at.

748
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:41,270
This is happening in California right now, as

749
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:44,190
the governor declares a state of emergency.

750
00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:48,190
Dr. Heath, I know that you have been

751
00:36:48,190 --> 00:36:51,890
actually targeted for trying to raise this issue.

752
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:54,190
Again, we don't want to get into any

753
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:57,030
specific names here, but why aren't you being

754
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:59,610
hailed as a hero for risking your life

755
00:36:59,610 --> 00:37:02,290
to go out and videotape and photograph these

756
00:37:02,290 --> 00:37:05,390
cows, instead of being attacked with some people

757
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,450
trying to remove your veterinary licence because you've

758
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:09,770
alerted people?

759
00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:12,870
You may be the very reason why California

760
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:14,930
is declaring a state of emergency, because you're

761
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:19,090
the person who videotaped these cows and wrote

762
00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:21,790
an article in Time magazine that has been

763
00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:22,790
picked up everywhere.

764
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:25,550
Yeah, I mean, it's really absurd, but the

765
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:29,630
industry's biggest fear is trusted messengers criticising the

766
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:31,430
industry, and that's what veterinarians are.

767
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:34,110
It's easy to dismiss vegans and animal rights

768
00:37:34,110 --> 00:37:37,390
activists because farmers have more public trust than

769
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:39,410
vegans and animal rights activists, but when you

770
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:42,570
have a veterinarian who is speaking about the

771
00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:44,590
issues and the public health threat and our

772
00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:46,990
food security threat and the animal welfare issues,

773
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:50,490
that is very dangerous for the industry.

774
00:37:51,250 --> 00:37:53,930
Veterinarians are taught over and over again, and

775
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:56,670
the AVMA's message has been, we need consistent

776
00:37:56,670 --> 00:38:00,450
messaging around these issues, around depopulation, and when

777
00:38:00,450 --> 00:38:02,530
you have a veterinarian like me and 2

778
00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:06,790
,000 others straying from the AVMA industry message,

779
00:38:06,970 --> 00:38:10,090
that is a huge threat, and that could

780
00:38:10,090 --> 00:38:13,470
topple their whole industry, so that's why we

781
00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:15,950
believe our honours work is so important, mobilising

782
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:19,550
more veterinarians to question the industry narrative and

783
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:22,950
the AVMA and speak to the press directly,

784
00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:26,310
because right now, the press, whenever there's an

785
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:30,310
avian influenza outbreak, they ask the ag departments,

786
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:32,510
what's your take on this, and the ag

787
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:35,470
departments say, don't worry, the food supply is

788
00:38:35,470 --> 00:38:37,990
safe, the milk is safe to drink, pasteurised

789
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:40,170
milk doesn't have any risk of avian influenza,

790
00:38:40,730 --> 00:38:42,650
when that's not the issue, it's the food

791
00:38:42,650 --> 00:38:45,410
production methods that are threatening public health, animal

792
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:48,290
welfare, and our food security, and those are

793
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:51,050
the questions that the journalists need to ask

794
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:52,890
and start to question, and how much is

795
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:54,470
this costing taxpayers?

796
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:57,090
These things aren't in the media, but we're

797
00:38:57,090 --> 00:38:59,970
getting these talking points in the media, and

798
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:02,570
that is scary to them, so yeah, now

799
00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:05,470
a page with more than a million followers

800
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:07,630
is calling for my veterinary licence to be

801
00:39:07,630 --> 00:39:11,210
removed, we'll see what happens with that, it's

802
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:13,230
quite scary, but I think I'm on the

803
00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:14,110
right side of history.

804
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:18,030
Well, you know what I say, no good

805
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:21,310
deed goes unpunished, it's a cliche, but it

806
00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:25,830
is true, so please keep us surprised, because

807
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:29,790
we will obviously be on your side to

808
00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:33,750
protest any attempts to remove your licence, and

809
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:35,850
that's a big story.

810
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:37,790
Yeah, I think it is too.

811
00:39:38,110 --> 00:39:40,590
That's a big story, and that could backfire

812
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:45,230
really badly on the industry, you're the one

813
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:48,070
who basically was the Paul Revere of the

814
00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:51,110
situation, hey, bird flu is coming, bird flu

815
00:39:51,110 --> 00:39:53,350
is coming, look at this, I'm going by

816
00:39:53,350 --> 00:39:56,270
the side of the road, videotaping these things,

817
00:39:56,730 --> 00:40:00,650
and this is a crisis, and now, just

818
00:40:00,650 --> 00:40:03,210
now, while we were on the air, the

819
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:05,550
governor of California has declared a state of

820
00:40:05,550 --> 00:40:10,870
emergency over bird flu, and there's gonna come

821
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:14,950
a time where the lies will not stand.

822
00:40:15,610 --> 00:40:17,590
I have to throw another cliche out there,

823
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:19,290
you can fool some of the people some

824
00:40:19,290 --> 00:40:21,290
of the time, but you can't fool all

825
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:23,710
of the people all of the time, and

826
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:25,070
you know, Amber, I want to bring in

827
00:40:25,070 --> 00:40:27,710
this whole issue of now, with the incoming

828
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:31,330
administration talking about make America healthy again, you

829
00:40:31,330 --> 00:40:32,870
know, I've been saying that for the longest

830
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:35,750
time, I've used that phrase long before it

831
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:38,650
came into the news, yes, but why are

832
00:40:38,650 --> 00:40:40,750
43% of Americans obese?

833
00:40:41,150 --> 00:40:45,610
Why are 68% or more of Americans

834
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:47,170
overweight or obese?

835
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:50,770
It's because the US government is subsidising bad

836
00:40:50,770 --> 00:40:54,970
food, and it's meat, in the form of

837
00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:58,150
especially fast food, which a huge percentage of

838
00:40:58,150 --> 00:41:01,170
Americans eat on a daily basis, and that's

839
00:41:01,170 --> 00:41:04,850
cheap hamburger, cheap shakes, all meat and dairy

840
00:41:04,850 --> 00:41:10,090
based, but without US government subsidies, those same

841
00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:13,370
items would cost something like 20 or $25.

842
00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:18,850
Okay, not $1 burger, a 250 burger, it

843
00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:24,030
would be at least, well, triple, quadruple, much

844
00:41:24,030 --> 00:41:24,490
higher.

845
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:28,130
So while they're talking now about make America

846
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:32,030
healthy again, and they're also talking simultaneously about

847
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:34,810
how they want to cut $2 trillion off

848
00:41:34,810 --> 00:41:38,190
the federal budget, and there's a slew of

849
00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:39,970
articles saying, you're not going to be able

850
00:41:39,970 --> 00:41:41,170
to do that, because a lot of these

851
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:43,570
costs are fixed, and it's servicing the debt,

852
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:44,410
blah, blah, blah.

853
00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:47,570
Well, the answer is sitting there right on

854
00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:49,330
a silver platter in front of them.

855
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:52,350
The farm bill, the farm bill, which has

856
00:41:52,350 --> 00:41:56,290
not passed yet, contains the proposed farm bill

857
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:59,650
that they'd like to pass, literally, over the

858
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:01,410
course of 10 years, more than a trillion

859
00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:05,510
dollars in subsidies that are making us sick,

860
00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:10,870
contributing to climate change, inspiring pandemics, and every

861
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:12,670
other darn thing under the sun.

862
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:15,230
It's an easy place to cut.

863
00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:19,010
Do you think anybody is seeing this?

864
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:22,110
Right.

865
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:25,930
I mean, in times when there's a feeling

866
00:42:25,930 --> 00:42:30,010
of panic or crisis, like right now, when

867
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:34,530
a state of emergency is announced far, far

868
00:42:34,530 --> 00:42:36,850
too late, the states have been having this

869
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:40,090
very patchwork response to the avian flu outbreak

870
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:42,830
for many, many, many months.

871
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:47,070
And public health officials have been, rightfully so,

872
00:42:47,250 --> 00:42:51,610
very frustrated at this patchwork, delayed response.

873
00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:56,090
We've been two steps behind for a long

874
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:56,470
time.

875
00:42:57,350 --> 00:43:00,450
And at least as far as PETA goes,

876
00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:04,150
it's always going back to the power that

877
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:07,750
us individuals have and where we can make

878
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:09,010
the most impact.

879
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:14,050
And we're ready to support any activists who

880
00:43:14,050 --> 00:43:17,650
want to get involved and jump on this

881
00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:18,050
issue.

882
00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:22,690
We will help activists with materials for doing,

883
00:43:23,350 --> 00:43:27,670
you know, demonstrations, for giving out free vegan

884
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:31,130
dairy and eggs or whatever, to show people

885
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:32,230
that there are alternatives.

886
00:43:33,070 --> 00:43:37,690
And of course, you know, contacting the USDA

887
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:41,830
to get better policies to help end the

888
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:44,990
mass, cruel mass killings of these birds and

889
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:47,830
possibly in the future, the cows.

890
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:53,270
It's a mess out there, but I think

891
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:55,750
all of us on the show right now

892
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:59,110
can attest there are so many things you

893
00:43:59,110 --> 00:44:01,210
can do to get active and involved on

894
00:44:01,210 --> 00:44:01,710
this issue.

895
00:44:01,810 --> 00:44:04,130
Well, not to depress you further, but I've

896
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:08,410
got some other really disturbing news, reading articles

897
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:09,990
associated with this issue.

898
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:13,050
Take a look at this.

899
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:19,510
This is from a scientific publication and here's

900
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:20,050
the headline.

901
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:24,590
Alarming mutation in H5N1 virus, that's the bird

902
00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:27,610
flu virus, raises pandemic red flags.

903
00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:30,630
Now here's the fine print people, fasten your

904
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:31,110
seat belts.

905
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:33,890
A recent study published in science and funded

906
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:36,370
by the National Institutes of Health has that

907
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:40,250
a single alteration in a protein on the

908
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:47,510
surface of the highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1

909
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:51,890
virus currently present in US dairy cows could

910
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:56,930
significantly increase its potential for human to human

911
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:57,950
transmission.

912
00:44:58,470 --> 00:45:02,870
Again, a single alteration in a protein on

913
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:07,970
the surface of the highly pathogenic avian influenza

914
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:10,230
virus.

915
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:15,250
Dr. Crystal Heath, we also had the breaking

916
00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:18,910
news of health officials declaring today that a

917
00:45:18,910 --> 00:45:22,190
Louisiana patient is the first severe bird flu

918
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:26,210
case in the United States, but more than

919
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:28,550
60 bird flu infections have been reported.

920
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:31,790
What do you make of this mutation warning?

921
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:36,510
Yeah, this mutation would make it more easily

922
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:39,890
transmissible between humans and has that happened yet?

923
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:45,210
We have seen this virus evolve over the

924
00:45:45,210 --> 00:45:48,450
last several months and gain more ability to

925
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:52,290
infect humans and we're waiting for that, is

926
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:56,830
it now transmissible between humans state, which would

927
00:45:56,830 --> 00:45:57,710
be very concerning.

928
00:45:58,270 --> 00:46:01,390
This is a virus that historically has had

929
00:46:01,390 --> 00:46:03,930
around a 50% mortality rate in humans.

930
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:05,770
We obviously haven't seen that with the dairy

931
00:46:05,770 --> 00:46:09,850
workers who've just experienced some severe conjunctivitis and

932
00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:12,190
respiratory signs, but we've seen no deaths from

933
00:46:12,190 --> 00:46:12,610
it yet.

934
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:15,750
But is that a possibility as it mutates?

935
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:18,910
Can it come more deadly and more easily

936
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:21,430
transmissible between humans and lead to the next

937
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:21,890
pandemic?

938
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:24,930
I want to go back to your video

939
00:46:24,930 --> 00:46:27,390
that you shot so courageously, because I think

940
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:28,970
you did put yourself at risk to shoot

941
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:29,210
this.

942
00:46:29,290 --> 00:46:32,230
You're going up to, again, you did not

943
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:34,810
trespass, you were falsely accused of trespassing.

944
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:37,030
And I even played a clip where you

945
00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:38,550
can hear the cars whizzing by and you

946
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:39,770
can see that you're outside the fence.

947
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:42,550
But I mean, what does this video that

948
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:47,230
you recorded tell you about the broken response?

949
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:50,090
I mean, you are walking up and just

950
00:46:50,090 --> 00:46:51,850
seeing this.

951
00:46:52,250 --> 00:46:52,810
Yeah.

952
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:56,510
And you see these cows are uncovered.

953
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:59,330
There's no signage anywhere warning anybody of the

954
00:46:59,330 --> 00:46:59,690
risk.

955
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,130
And when I saw this, I contacted the

956
00:47:02,130 --> 00:47:04,610
CDFA to express my concerns and they didn't

957
00:47:04,610 --> 00:47:05,110
really care.

958
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:07,270
They said, yeah, the rendering trucks are backed

959
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:09,850
up because so many cows are dying.

960
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:11,230
And I was like, wow, that's alarming.

961
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:16,210
And Anya Radabaugh of the Western United Dairies

962
00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:17,590
confirmed that in the media.

963
00:47:18,990 --> 00:47:22,170
But yeah, we're always kind of caught off

964
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:24,850
guard and unprepared for these infectious disease outbreaks.

965
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:26,690
And these happen over and over again every

966
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:27,450
few years.

967
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:29,670
And each time it happens, we're shocked and

968
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:31,550
we have to resort to cruel things like

969
00:47:31,550 --> 00:47:35,230
ventilation shutdown and piling up animals alongside the

970
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:36,410
road and things like that.

971
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:37,950
It was interesting.

972
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:40,890
A journalist went out there to that farm

973
00:47:40,890 --> 00:47:43,450
after I had sent them the footage and

974
00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:45,570
there was another dead cow laying there.

975
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:48,470
And while the journalist was there talking to

976
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:51,170
the farmer, a dog came up and sniffed

977
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:52,290
the dead body.

978
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:54,390
So this could spread.

979
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:57,650
This is the perfect environment where cats, there's

980
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:59,010
lots of community cats in the area.

981
00:47:59,490 --> 00:48:01,830
Dogs can come up to these cows and

982
00:48:01,830 --> 00:48:04,230
potentially get infected and spread it.

983
00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:06,330
So it's very concerning.

984
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:08,750
And they should at least cover them.

985
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:10,390
They should spray flyspray.

986
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:11,970
They should put signs out.

987
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:13,810
Those are easy fixes.

988
00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:16,630
Yeah, we can't fix the number of rendering

989
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:17,870
trucks right now.

990
00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:21,110
But those are some easy solutions that they

991
00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:22,010
just weren't doing.

992
00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:24,890
And they're aware of this, obviously.

993
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:29,590
Robert Grillo's associate made that point.

994
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:33,550
Let's listen to it again, because now with

995
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:35,290
the information you've just provided.

996
00:48:35,850 --> 00:48:37,930
I'm worried about that bird flu very much.

997
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:39,410
And I know that there are dead dairy

998
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:42,190
cows infected with bird flu that lay along

999
00:48:42,190 --> 00:48:43,570
the roadside near dairy farms.

1000
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:45,450
The scavengers go after them.

1001
00:48:45,610 --> 00:48:47,110
There's no biosecurity or warning.

1002
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:50,350
And that scavenger hunt there actually spreads the

1003
00:48:50,350 --> 00:48:54,430
disease of bird flu to wildlife, other birds

1004
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:55,050
and humans.

1005
00:48:55,610 --> 00:48:57,770
How can the CDFA allow this?

1006
00:48:58,290 --> 00:49:01,450
And are you putting industry profits over public

1007
00:49:01,450 --> 00:49:03,270
health and animal welfare?

1008
00:49:03,550 --> 00:49:04,230
That's my question.

1009
00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:13,350
Wow.

1010
00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:15,310
You know, I'm going to do something bold.

1011
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:19,110
I know it's a two-party state.

1012
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:20,950
So I'm in California, so I can't call

1013
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:24,350
somebody and have a conversation and record it

1014
00:49:24,350 --> 00:49:25,390
without their permission.

1015
00:49:25,590 --> 00:49:28,150
But I called the US government and I

1016
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:29,090
got a voicemail.

1017
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:31,250
So I got a voiceover.

1018
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:33,730
So this isn't a person, this is just

1019
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:34,090
a voice.

1020
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:34,510
Let's see.

1021
00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:35,570
Okay.

1022
00:49:35,590 --> 00:49:36,510
You call the number.

1023
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:38,870
This is the number we're telling you to

1024
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:38,970
call.

1025
00:49:44,770 --> 00:49:44,870
Okay.

1026
00:49:49,450 --> 00:49:54,730
I am calling right now and leaving my

1027
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:59,190
message as a US citizen to say, you

1028
00:49:59,190 --> 00:50:01,490
are mishandling the bird flu.

1029
00:50:02,190 --> 00:50:05,070
And the solution is not to do more

1030
00:50:05,070 --> 00:50:06,810
mass killing of birds.

1031
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:07,330
Okay.

1032
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:13,130
The solution is to stop subsidising animal agriculture

1033
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,270
and let the free market decide.

1034
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:18,310
And now the incoming administration says they want

1035
00:50:18,310 --> 00:50:20,190
to cut $2 trillion off the budget.

1036
00:50:20,190 --> 00:50:22,230
The best way to do that is to

1037
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:26,150
cut the 73% of profits to the

1038
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:29,070
dairy industry that comes from the US government.

1039
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:31,710
I do not want my tax dollars supporting

1040
00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:35,230
ventilation shutdown of millions of birds.

1041
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:39,050
I do not want my tax dollars rewarding

1042
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:42,430
farmers for keeping animals in horrific conditions.

1043
00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:45,490
Stop the bailout, stop the subsidies.

1044
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:46,470
Thank you.

1045
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:47,830
Okay.

1046
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:49,990
That was my message.

1047
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:53,310
And I'm telling everybody out there, you can

1048
00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:53,890
call too.

1049
00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:54,950
Okay.

1050
00:50:55,190 --> 00:51:00,550
There's the number 202-720-3631.

1051
00:51:00,910 --> 00:51:04,270
If you're listening, jot it down.

1052
00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:09,630
202-720-3631.

1053
00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:12,450
If you're watching, take a screen grab.

1054
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:13,870
If you're not going to call the second

1055
00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:15,570
or just call now.

1056
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:18,810
I mean, we've given you the lowdown on

1057
00:51:18,810 --> 00:51:19,530
what's going on.

1058
00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:20,450
This is a crisis.

1059
00:51:20,890 --> 00:51:24,870
It is an unfolding crisis, people, happening right,

1060
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:28,930
a slow motion train wreck happening before our

1061
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:29,470
eyes.

1062
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:32,430
I just lived for two and a half,

1063
00:51:32,550 --> 00:51:36,690
three years in my apartment by myself or

1064
00:51:36,690 --> 00:51:39,890
walking my dogs or using a mask.

1065
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:41,630
I do not want to do that again.

1066
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:43,770
I do not want to go through that

1067
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:44,190
again.

1068
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:47,290
Final thoughts, everybody.

1069
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:49,330
And I'll start with, we've only got a

1070
00:51:49,330 --> 00:51:49,890
couple of minutes.

1071
00:51:50,010 --> 00:51:52,970
So give us your final 30 seconds, Amber

1072
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:53,790
of PETA.

1073
00:51:55,290 --> 00:51:56,830
Just never be silent.

1074
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:59,950
And PETA is ready to help any activists

1075
00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:01,070
who want to get involved.

1076
00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:02,950
We will get you set up with all

1077
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:06,290
the materials you need to help those animals

1078
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:07,210
on those factory farms.

1079
00:52:08,010 --> 00:52:09,030
Thank you, Amber.

1080
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:10,850
Robert, your final thoughts?

1081
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:16,430
To build a coalition with other groups that

1082
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:19,730
are concerned about public health, about climate, about

1083
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:24,310
pandemics, about animals, and all come together to

1084
00:52:24,310 --> 00:52:28,890
collectively gain power over this very destructive and

1085
00:52:28,890 --> 00:52:29,870
dangerous industry.

1086
00:52:30,990 --> 00:52:34,790
And our very special guest, Dr. Crystal Heath,

1087
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:36,530
thank you again for joining us.

1088
00:52:36,670 --> 00:52:38,810
I know you are working very hard around

1089
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:39,990
the clock to do spay, neuter.

1090
00:52:40,090 --> 00:52:41,350
So I appreciate you taking the time.

1091
00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:42,530
What are your final thoughts?

1092
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:46,550
Yeah, I mean, people can go and see

1093
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:48,270
these things for themselves.

1094
00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:50,570
And I'm kind of shocked that me and

1095
00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:52,350
just one other person are the only people

1096
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,650
going to the Central Valley and other areas

1097
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:58,570
where avian influenza is infecting herds and flocks

1098
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:59,810
and taking photos.

1099
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:03,770
I hope more animal advocates take photos, talk

1100
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:04,390
to the media.

1101
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:06,610
We are continuing to talk to the media

1102
00:53:06,610 --> 00:53:08,330
and get them to ask the right questions.

1103
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:10,010
And this is so, so important.

1104
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:13,130
Update them on how much in bailouts that

1105
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:14,530
we are giving these companies.

1106
00:53:14,750 --> 00:53:16,590
This is really important information to get out

1107
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:16,830
there.

1108
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:19,050
Write op-eds, write letters to the editor.

1109
00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:20,790
If you wanted to volunteer for our honour,

1110
00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:23,050
go to ourhonor.org and help us out

1111
00:53:23,050 --> 00:53:25,890
and get this message to the media via

1112
00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:30,010
trusted messengers, which are so important for getting

1113
00:53:30,010 --> 00:53:31,970
the right narrative out there in the media.

1114
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:34,590
Well, thank you again, Dr. Heath.

1115
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:38,150
And my final thought is I've always believed

1116
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:40,790
in the law of unintended consequences.

1117
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:43,430
Sometimes I think the worst things that happen

1118
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:45,270
to me end up being the best things,

1119
00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:46,750
like I got fired and then I got

1120
00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:47,610
a much better job.

1121
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:50,450
And this is a horrible crisis, but there

1122
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:52,050
is an opportunity in this crisis.

1123
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:54,550
This is a wake up call to the

1124
00:53:54,550 --> 00:54:00,170
American people to let these industries go.

1125
00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:03,090
There is no need for you to drink

1126
00:54:03,090 --> 00:54:04,310
the breast milk of a cow.

1127
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:05,430
It is unnatural.

1128
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:09,010
Most of us are allergic and there's no

1129
00:54:09,010 --> 00:54:11,070
need for us to eat animals to get

1130
00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:11,550
protein.

1131
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:16,970
It's all just unnecessary.

1132
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:19,710
And it's coming back to bite us big

1133
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:20,110
time.

1134
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:23,350
I think that this could be an opportunity

1135
00:54:23,350 --> 00:54:27,010
for America and by extension, the world to

1136
00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:31,110
wake up, wake up and evolve.

1137
00:54:31,890 --> 00:54:37,310
We are complicit when we eat meat and

1138
00:54:37,310 --> 00:54:38,550
when we eat dairy.

1139
00:54:38,750 --> 00:54:41,930
And I haven't eaten meat or dairy in

1140
00:54:41,930 --> 00:54:43,370
going on 30 years.

1141
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:46,130
And I haven't eaten meat for probably my

1142
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:48,890
entire life, but dairy 30 years.

1143
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:49,630
And look at me.

1144
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:50,930
Okay.

1145
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:54,010
Nobody on this panel is eating animals.

1146
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:55,250
We're doing okay.

1147
00:54:55,890 --> 00:55:00,210
So it's really an opportunity, I think, for

1148
00:55:00,210 --> 00:55:03,150
all of us to wake up and to

1149
00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:07,150
evolve beyond killing 92 billion animals.

1150
00:55:07,150 --> 00:55:09,590
That's land animals alone for food every year.

1151
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:11,510
And the last thing I'd say is please

1152
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:14,030
support Unchained TV.

1153
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:17,150
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1154
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:19,550
-based animal rights streaming television network.

1155
00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:21,510
So it's a vegan Netflix.

1156
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:22,050
Okay.

1157
00:55:22,090 --> 00:55:23,690
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1158
00:55:23,710 --> 00:55:24,970
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1159
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1160
00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:27,930
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1161
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1162
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:31,930
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1163
00:55:31,930 --> 00:55:32,410
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1164
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:34,870
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1165
00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:37,970
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1166
00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:39,710
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1167
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:41,690
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1168
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1169
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1170
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