UnchainedTV: Every Dog Parent Needs to Listen to This!

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In the form of a brand new study

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that has just come out, and you are

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actually going to meet the people who did

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the study, the two veterinarians, as well as

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the head of V-Dog, which was the

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dog food used in the study.

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So this question, can dogs thrive on a

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plant-based diet?

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Unchained TV is streaming the hit new movie,

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By That Name, where you will find the

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answer, you've got to check it out.

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Now, here's why it's important.

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If all dogs and cats in the U

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.S. populated their own country, they'd be the

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fifth largest meat-eating country in the world.

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And now our pets are suffering some of

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the same diet-related ailments their human companions

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experience.

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Well, now we're going to get the lowdown

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from Darren Middlesworth, the head of V-Dog,

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which is the vegan dog food that was

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used in the study, featured in this short

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film.

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Plus, you're going to meet two veterinarians who

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actually ran the study, Dr. Tona Melgarejo and

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Dr. Anika Linda.

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Produced in conjunction with the Oceananic Preservation Society,

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this movie is directed by Luis Sai Hoyos,

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who is famous for bringing us The Cove,

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Racing Extinction, The Game Changers, You Are What

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You Eat, A Twin Experiment, and other blockbuster

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films.

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So I am so excited to talk to

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the veterinarians who ran the study.

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This is information every single dog parent needs

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to learn and understand and process.

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So without further ado, I would like to

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go out to Dr. Tona Melgarejo of Western

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University, who led this study.

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You're looking at video from the actual mini

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-doc about this study.

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Tell us, why is this study so very

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important to our world, Dr. Tona?

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Thank you so much for the invitation, Jane.

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When we decided to pursue this study, looked

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at the big picture, not just the health

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of your friends, your furry friends.

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That is very, very important.

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But also, we looked at the planetary health.

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And when we're looking into that also, the

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guardians, and I don't like to say owners,

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because we don't own these beautiful souls.

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We just guard them.

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We just help them to strive.

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So we looked at this three-piece equation,

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and we decided to actually test something that

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it has been going on for decades of

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our education.

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Dogs are carnivores.

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Dogs are carnivores.

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And we knew, and I, as an internal

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medicine person, I prescribe food as medicine, and

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I have seen amazing results.

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So this was just to start.

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Can dog leaves, clinically healthy dogs live on

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a plant-based diet?

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And we got our answer.

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And the answer is yes.

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And that is so important because the truth

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is that, as we have mentioned, if U

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.S. dogs and cats were their own country,

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they would be the fifth largest meat-eating

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country in the world.

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There's China, there's the United States, there's Russia.

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And let's listen to a clip from the

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movie that breaks this down.

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Absolutely fascinating movie.

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And again, you can watch it on Unchained

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Television.

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It is streaming.

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That's Unchained TV right there behind me.

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And it's fascinating.

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We have about 91 million dogs living in

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the United States.

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Most of these dogs are eating a meat

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-based diet.

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The amount of meat that we use for

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dogs and cats, it's equivalent to the meat

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consumption in the country of Italy.

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And if all dogs and cats in the

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U.S. had their own country, they would

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be the fifth largest meat-eating country in

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the world.

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Oh, wow.

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Well, let me say this.

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I was just joined.

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Come here, come here, come here.

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Guess who decided that she wanted to come

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up and be part of this show?

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My little dog Wednesday, who is thriving on

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a plant-based diet.

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And the diet that she is thriving on

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is very similar to the diet featured in

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the film, V-Dog.

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And we are so delighted today to have

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the founder and the president of V-Dog

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on, Darren Middlesworth, who is seen there with

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his mother, Linda, who is really a force

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of nature in the vegan movement.

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So, Darren, welcome.

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Why was it so important to have V

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-Dog featured in this study and in this

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film?

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Thank you so much, Jane, for having me

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on.

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And also, thank you to Dr. Mel Guarao

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and Dr. Linda for allowing V-Dog to

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participate in this study in the beginning.

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It was something that came about many, many

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years ago, and to see it come to

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fruition is just really amazing.

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It's important for us as a company, as

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a brand, to have the science backing up

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some of the anecdotal evidence that we've seen

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over the years and witnessed over the years

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with dogs improving various health conditions and hypoallergenic

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conditions.

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So, it's a terrific opportunity for us, and

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it's really validating and helping us really explain,

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from a scientific perspective, things that we have

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known and have witnessed and watched happen, but

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not really to see these biomarkers coming in

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favourably and presented in such an organised, well

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-done study.

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So, again, when we started this 20 years

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ago, in 2005, it was more on hunch

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and intuition that this might be a viable

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option for dogs, a plant-based option for

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canine health.

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And so, it's really exciting for us to

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see it come full circle and be here

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today.

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Well, I could tell you that this little

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girl, Wednesday, loves her V-Dog.

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I'm not doing a commercial for V-Dog.

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They just happen to love V-Dog and

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eat all the treats and the kibble.

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But I'm wondering, in terms of nationally, let's

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not even do global, nationally, is the vegan

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dog food space growing, or is it something

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that is just really extraordinarily rare?

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I'll go ahead and step in on that.

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What we find happening is awareness is growing.

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It's also a trickle-down effect from the

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greater plant-based movement on the human product

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side and the shift towards plant-based thinking

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in terms of the environmental impacts of our

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dietary choices.

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And that can be extended to your dogs

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and canine companions.

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So, we're excited to have, again, as an

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option.

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Some dogs may do better on different formulas

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and different types of diets, but we are

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finding terrific success with the dogs that are

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on our plant-based formulas.

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And so, let me ask you a follow

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-up.

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Is it growing?

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Is your company growing?

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We are growing.

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We're excited to still be here.

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COVID was a challenging time period from a

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supply chain perspective.

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And I know some of the other plant

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-based pet food companies globally and in the

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U.S. have taken a difficult turn during

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those times.

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big scheme of things.

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And I won't get too political here.

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There are, you know, most of the dog

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food companies are owned by very large corporations,

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conglomerate-type products that are, you know, largely

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or entirely meat-based.

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And some of them do have plant-based

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spin-offs, which are competitors with us.

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So, because of their large volumes and their

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supply chain connections and manufacturing connections in the

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big food of pet world, pet production, pet

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manufacturing, it makes it very challenging for smaller

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players to be able to realise margins that

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are sustainable in the market.

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But we have, over the 20 years, we

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have developed some very interesting and important pet

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food industry connections, which are allowing us to

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open doors and allowing us to access supply

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chain and manufacturing opportunities that we otherwise had

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not access to in the past.

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And so, we're excited about 2025 and some

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of our new product pipeline products coming out.

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Well, I will say that while it's very

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easy to get V-Dog products, which I

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order on Amazon, to be honest, it's very

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hard to find some of the other products

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of like wet dog food.

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When I ran out, literally, I was like,

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where in Southern California can I get this

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vegan wet dog food?

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And so, it's a real challenge distribution.

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I think V-Dog is doing a great

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job getting out there and making it very

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accessible, not just your kibble, but also all

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of your treats.

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So, I want to give you a shout

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out for that.

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Just as a dog parent, dog guardian of

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two vegan dogs, it's pretty easy to get

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your products.

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So, check it out.

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Now, what I thought was really interesting about

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this entire subject is that at its core

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was kind of an observation that Dr. Tona

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made and it was just something like, isn't

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this interesting?

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And it turned out to spawn this entire

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study and the possibility of a new industry

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that is a heck of a lot more

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sustainable and more compassionate.

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I have travelled to some developing countries in

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Africa, Asia, and Latin America, and I was

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surprised that in some of these countries, dogs

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don't even eat meat or dairy because they

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don't have the money and the dogs are

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perfectly fine.

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They're healthy.

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So, we wanted to answer the very basic

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What happens when you take a clinically healthy

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dog and you feed that dog a vegan

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diet?

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Well, we found out Dr. Anika Linde is

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also a veterinarian who was involved in this

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study.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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First of all, let's talk about the myth

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and the constant drumbeat that we all get

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that dogs need meat.

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I mean, it seems like every time a

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commercial about dog food comes up, that's what

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they're hammering home, but is it true?

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So, again, thank you.

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It's a great question, Jane.

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So, I think it shows the power that

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marketing has, right?

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And we all know that you're being told

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a lot when it comes to the commercial

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space and we need this, we need that,

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and you saw it with people as well,

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with the whole campaigns with milk as well,

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and we know that couldn't be further from

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the truth.

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So, dogs need specific nutrients.

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They don't need specific ingredients, and I think

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that's the best way of really putting it.

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So, as long as you have, as we

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have already indicated with the study, as we

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have said several times in this conversation and

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prior conversations, it's really about having nutritionally complete

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type of nutritional framework.

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So, it is not about having the specific

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ingredients in it.

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So, dogs can most certainly thrive without consuming

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animal-derived products.

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That's a very long story short.

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So, and that's what we showed with this

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study and further studies to come as well

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as we're moving forward.

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Well, Dr. Linda, tell us a little bit

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more about how the study was conducted.

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How many dogs?

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We know that it was V-dog.

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Was it just kibble?

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You know, just give us the details on

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this study.

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Sure.

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The very, very brief version that we had

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here is that dogs, they served effectively as

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their own control.

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So, you had, again, clinically healthy domestic companion

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dogs, as we're seeing in this short film,

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and we're seeing the scenes right now.

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So, these dogs living in typical average households

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and being fed from the prior diet, which

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had been meat-based and then being switched

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onto a plant-based, complete, nutritionally complete kibble,

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the plant-based formula that we already discussed.

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And we have in the study, of course,

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indicated the nutritional profile as well, making sure

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that it was nutritionally complete.

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We had that conducted by a third-party

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laboratory to make sure that what you see

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on the bag is actually what is in

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the food.

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So, for this particular study that we have

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referenced, we have a kibble.

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We have other studies ongoing that have been

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both in the past and in parallel as

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well moving forward.

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Of course, the interest is what about if

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we're moving towards the wet food type of

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plant-based nutrition.

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So, there's a lot of work that still

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needs to be done.

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And again, as we very well know, all

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of this clinical research, it requires a significant

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type of research support.

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So, that is ultimately the, you could say,

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limitation as we're moving forward.

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Well, there's a Western University where the study

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was conducted.

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Very fascinating.

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I want to get into the nitty-gritty

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because it really, to me, boils down what

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types of vegetables can dogs eat.

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I recently found out, for example, my Wednesday,

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who you just saw, is allergic to apples.

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She was scratching like crazy.

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I had a test done, and then I

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found that, oh, some of the stuff I

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was feeding her had apples in it.

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I removed that, and she stopped scratching.

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So, Dr. Malgorejo, can you break down the

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actual products that were fed, the actual ingredients,

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and weigh in on what types of vegetables

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are good for dogs?

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Well, that's a very interesting question and a

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very broad question.

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What I can tell you is what is

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not good for dogs.

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Because every time I travel, and I have

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been very fortunate to travel in more than

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40 different countries, the legumes are different, the

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fruits are different, the grains, et cetera, the

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cereal is different, and all dogs tend to

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live a healthy life.

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So, when you're talking about dogs, I think

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one thing that you need to avoid is,

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for example, grapes, raisins, anything in that family

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is toxic for dogs.

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And onion, garlic is borderline.

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These things are to be avoided.

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And then you are going, after that, to

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an area that is huge, and it's very

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dog-dependent that is called idiosyncrasy.

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Your dog was allergic to apples.

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I have seen dogs in Italy, in Uruguay,

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that they eat apples like there's no tomorrow,

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and they're perfectly fine.

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So, I think you need to be very

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observant with what you give to your dog.

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But that is going to be variable as

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humans.

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I may be allergic to peanuts, or some

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people may not.

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So, I think it's avoiding the foods that

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we know that they are toxic, rather than

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recommending something.

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I'm going to give you an anecdote.

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When I was in Indonesia, I was working

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with Komodo Dragons, and I stopped by in

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one of the cities in Indonesia, and then

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I talked to a breeder, and he had

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beautiful, beautiful dogs, and showed dogs.

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And he told me, the only thing I

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feed my dog is dried alfalfa that is

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pretty much chopped to little tiny pieces, and

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boiled lentils and potatoes.

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That's it.

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From pregnant dogs, to puppies, to elderly dogs.

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That was an anecdote, but I'm just going

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to tell you how variable is the diets

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around the world.

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So, I think in the time that we

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have, this is as much as I can

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tell you, Jane.

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One thing that is important is that people

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say, yes, but vegan diets, they don't have

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L-carnitine.

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They don't have taurine, and they don't have

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the meat.

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And that is really misinformation.

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All meat-based diets that are commercially available

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in the Western world, they are supplemented with

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L-carnitine and taurine, because the amount of

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carnitine and taurine, it's very variable.

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It's impossible to know.

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So, other companies that use meat-based diets,

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they supplement L-carnitine and taurine.

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Well, the vegan industry, they supplement L-carnitine

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and taurine, and they are synthetic molecules that

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are actually added to that.

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So, when people think about meat-based, they

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think about a big steak.

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And the truth is that it's meat meals.

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And meat meals is everything that humans don't

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consume.

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Tendons and viscera and all these things, they

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actually process that, and they make it a

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meal.

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They put some colourants, flavour enhancers, and that's

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the meat.

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So, of course not.

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We need to make sure that it's a

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well-balanced diet.

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The carnitine and the taurine is important, but

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the other vitamins and minerals that they need

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to be present too.

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And I'd like to introduce you to another

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vegan dog.

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This is Sunday.

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And guess what?

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Not only does she like the vegan kibble,

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but she has gotten halfway through.

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You can recognise this, right, Darren?

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Yeah.

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These are the V-dog.

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What are the official names of these?

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Breastbones.

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They're a dental housing dog.

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And these are the chewies that she just

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absolutely loves.

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But you raise a very important question, Dr.

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Tona, with people constantly going on and on

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about dogs needing meat.

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They're carnivores.

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A, that's not true, as your study proved.

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But B, they do not talk about the

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health problems created by eating meat.

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So let's play a clip from the film

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and discuss that on the other side.

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We are seeing dogs with similar health problems

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as people have on a diet that is

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heavy on animal products, like obesity and certain

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cancers.

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There are many toxins that can affect the

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meat that's used to make dog food.

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So if we were to look at substances

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like lead, from decades of automotive exhaust that

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have polluted the ground near highways and roads,

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most of that partitions into organs like the

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liver.

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And for pet food in particular, we often

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use those organ meats as part of the

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food that we're putting together for them.

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And once again, what you're watching is a

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clip from the film, Can Dogs Thrive on

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a Plant-Based Diet?

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It is streaming on Unchained TV, which is

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right behind me, or you can also watch

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it on your phone.

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In fact, you can download Unchained TV for

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free.

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Just go to your app store and download

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it, and you can have access to that

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film immediately, as well as the video that

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we're conducting right now.

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So break it down, Dr. Linda, a little

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bit more in terms of the health problems

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that can be caused by dogs eating a

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meat-centric diet.

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Yeah, I think that's another great and important

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question, Jane.

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So I think what you, in a short

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period of time, probably benefit the most from

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is really thinking about the pattern and the

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distribution of diseases and what we're seeing of

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diseases in the clinical space compared to what

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was known years ago.

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And I think if you are thinking about

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companion dogs, and you're thinking about how much

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of parallels you can see between the disease

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burden in people and what you're seeing in

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dogs, of course, there are some important differences

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with regard to cardiovascular health.

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But nevertheless, if you're looking at major burdens

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of diseases, and you're thinking about what we

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saw in the short film as well.

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So the obesity epidemic, for sure, we're seeing

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with our domestic dogs.

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We see some of the same endocrinopathy.

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So we're seeing some of the same similar

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types of cancers as well.

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So we are seeing burdens of diseases that,

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for sure, is reflected in the fact that

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you have a nutritional framework or dietary frameworks

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that just look very different than in the

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past.

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You're seeing dogs that are not kept at

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healthy weight.

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You're seeing dogs that, as Dr. Maldonado was

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pointing out, and maybe he wants to comment

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on further, but that they are consuming these

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meat-based ingredients, animal-derived ingredients that are

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very far from being healthy and certainly not

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promoting a situation where dogs can thrive.

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And once you subtract those, and you are

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focussing on types of diets that are plant

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-based, and they are nutritionally complete for dogs,

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then you just have a much better situation.

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And you can have a number of different

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benefits, both with regard to physical health and

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realistically forthcoming studies as we're moving forward.

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Again, we need to have all of this

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being evidence-based.

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So in, you can say, sort of a

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larger framework, you really want to also study

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these types of diets in comparison for various

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types of diseases to really get more specific

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data.

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But that's a summary.

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Now having two vegan dogs, and sometimes they

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do have to go to the vet for

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whatever reason, even if it's to have their

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nails clipped, the veterinarians are often very hostile

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or eye-rolling when it comes to my

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explanation of my dogs are vegan.

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Not always, but it happens.

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Where are we in the veterinarian community with

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this issue?

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Are you getting pushback?

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Because first of all, I want to point

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out, and this is really important, is this

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just wasn't some study that they did off

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the top of their heads.

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And it has been published in a respected

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journal, and you can go and read it.

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PLOS One.

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I Googled it.

541
00:23:16,740 --> 00:23:19,420
The report came right up, and I didn't

542
00:23:19,420 --> 00:23:21,160
include it because it's a very long link,

543
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,160
but you can just Google PLOS One, plus

544
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,800
one, vegan dog food study.

545
00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,640
It comes right up, and it says right

546
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,700
in the headline, domestic dogs maintain clinical, nutritional,

547
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,560
and haematological health outcomes when fed a commercial

548
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,300
plant-based diet for a year.

549
00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:40,080
And you can see Dr. Tona Malgarejo and

550
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,460
Dr. Annika Linda's names in there.

551
00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:44,300
So that gives it credibility.

552
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,280
It's not just two veterinarians saying that this

553
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,920
was a study, an official study done and

554
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,280
published in a respected journal.

555
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,460
That means a lot.

556
00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:56,360
Are you taking this message to other veterinarians,

557
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:57,040
Dr. Tona?

558
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,900
Of course we are, but it's very important

559
00:24:01,900 --> 00:24:05,180
what you said, Jane, and I am known

560
00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:08,480
to be very clear and transparent, and I

561
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,240
can tell you this study was pretty much

562
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,800
a miracle to finish it.

563
00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:14,480
It was right in the middle of COVID,

564
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,940
and what was very concerning but expected is

565
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,500
that the former administration from my university told

566
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,560
me to stop the study.

567
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:27,800
One of the administrators told me, you're putting

568
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,760
me in a bad spot.

569
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,160
We get funding from these meat-based companies,

570
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:33,940
and what you're doing is not good.

571
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,580
Dogs are carnivores, and he wants me to

572
00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:37,900
stop.

573
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,620
Of course, I am a tenured professor, and

574
00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:42,460
I said, this is science, and you're not

575
00:24:42,460 --> 00:24:44,740
going to dictate what to tell, what to

576
00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:44,980
do.

577
00:24:45,380 --> 00:24:48,560
So I continue, and we were punished in

578
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080
different ways, but we continue, and we finish

579
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:51,620
the study.

580
00:24:52,140 --> 00:24:56,300
The situation is that probably the majority, 90

581
00:24:56,300 --> 00:24:59,280
plus percent of veterinarians are not aware that

582
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,020
the dog is one of the greatest omnivore

583
00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:06,140
species on earth, and they are just repeating

584
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:08,220
things that they have heard.

585
00:25:08,620 --> 00:25:12,340
But there are papers published by universities as

586
00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:17,000
reputable as Harvard, MIT, Stanford, where they actually

587
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,200
show that the dog is an omnivore, and

588
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,060
they present cellular and molecular evidence that actually

589
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:27,280
the dogs pleaded almost 30,000 years ago

590
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,680
from the wolf, and dogs are incredible digesters

591
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,300
of carbohydrates, and the wolves are not.

592
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,120
So it is really a big push, and

593
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,540
it's a big push when we go to

594
00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:41,940
conferences, when we talk to people, but as

595
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:44,580
I told my students, the way that you

596
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:46,260
need to deal with that is evidence.

597
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,620
We have the paper, read the paper, and

598
00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:50,580
present the evidence that what I did is

599
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:50,980
wrong.

600
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,500
This kind of science is difficult, Jane, because

601
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:55,840
it's extremely expensive.

602
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:59,000
One of the comments from people that are

603
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,920
not very well versed in clinical research is,

604
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:03,900
it's a small study.

605
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,740
You know, every time we take a sample

606
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:10,400
and we analyse absolutely everything that we need

607
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,860
to analyse to make sure that the dog

608
00:26:11,860 --> 00:26:14,440
is healthy, it costs us about $1,500

609
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,300
a sample.

610
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,760
So just multiply the number of samples, the

611
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,480
number of dogs.

612
00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:23,320
This very small study was in the round

613
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,040
of $250,000, $300,000.

614
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,220
So it is easy to move forward to

615
00:26:28,220 --> 00:26:28,480
that.

616
00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:31,320
So we are asking the community to keep

617
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:31,920
helping us.

618
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,320
We didn't take a penny from the company

619
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
that we used the food for, because that's

620
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,280
a conflict of interest.

621
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,340
And when we got the results as an

622
00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:45,580
academician, you need to have the freedom to

623
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:47,460
say this is the way it is.

624
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,900
We present bad data, wrong data, good data.

625
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,320
Fortunately, it was good data, but we are

626
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000
here to make science, not to please corporates

627
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,360
to say, okay, you can sponsor us.

628
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,520
So even to the company that we use,

629
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:07,380
we paid every single pound of food because

630
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:09,240
we didn't want to receive a penny because,

631
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:11,080
oh, you're working for this, you're working for

632
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,280
that.

633
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:13,380
So right now there are studies in puppies.

634
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,120
We are doing studies in the blue zones

635
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,200
with different dogs and longevity, and these studies

636
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,520
are very expensive.

637
00:27:20,660 --> 00:27:23,260
So we are asking you through your amazing

638
00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:26,360
community to please help us because the federal

639
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,280
government is not going to give us money.

640
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:30,980
The big companies that are billion dollar companies,

641
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,880
they will never give us money.

642
00:27:33,020 --> 00:27:35,240
State money is never going to come to

643
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,460
us.

644
00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:40,260
So this study was done thanks to people

645
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:43,480
like you that I remember you donated some

646
00:27:44,340 --> 00:27:47,400
money and amazing people in Los Angeles, people

647
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,860
overseas, they came together and they in crowd

648
00:27:50,860 --> 00:27:53,140
funding, they were able to actually do that.

649
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,980
But the studies that are coming are more

650
00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:56,960
expensive, half a million, a million dollars.

651
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,320
So if we want to advance this, it

652
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,020
is imperative that the community gets involved.

653
00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:06,020
We don't take a penny from any company

654
00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:08,180
and we are not going to be told

655
00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:10,680
what to do at the university because this

656
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,380
is where knowledge is born.

657
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,940
If we don't create this knowledge, no one

658
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:17,080
in the world is going to do it.

659
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,900
So we need your help.

660
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Well, Dr. Tona, and that's I call you,

661
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:25,200
Dr. Tona Malgarejo, Dr. Malgarejo.

662
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,560
I know that this took a long time

663
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,980
and I was there at the beginning when

664
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:33,120
you were just having Zoom meetings with people

665
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,340
saying, hey, we want to fund this study.

666
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:39,000
And of course, given that American dogs and

667
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,940
cats would be the fifth largest meat eating

668
00:28:40,940 --> 00:28:42,500
country in the world if they were their

669
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,400
own country, of course I said, yes, I

670
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,780
would like to help my own little way

671
00:28:46,780 --> 00:28:48,080
and introduce you to people who could help

672
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,080
in a bigger way because we need this

673
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:50,680
information.

674
00:28:51,180 --> 00:28:55,900
We are countering a basically global, but particularly

675
00:28:55,900 --> 00:29:00,860
American misinformation campaign, both in human food and

676
00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:04,240
in dog food about the necessity of meat.

677
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800
Now, I've been vegan 29 years.

678
00:29:06,940 --> 00:29:08,040
Prior to that, I was vegetarian.

679
00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:10,380
People are always telling me, you've got too

680
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:10,900
much energy.

681
00:29:11,020 --> 00:29:12,300
Bring it down, bring it down.

682
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,260
Madam, the clients at the next table at

683
00:29:16,260 --> 00:29:19,140
the restaurant are complaining, too much energy.

684
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:24,040
So I know that humans could thrive on

685
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:24,660
a vegan diet.

686
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,480
My dogs are also some of the most

687
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,520
energetic dogs in the neighbourhood.

688
00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:31,020
They're on a vegan diet.

689
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:34,240
But yet when I run into people, not

690
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,600
just the veterinarians, but sometimes I'm walking on

691
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,980
the street and some other neighbour, well-meaning

692
00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:41,740
with a dog says, oh, can they have

693
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:42,080
a treat?

694
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:43,780
No, they're vegan dogs.

695
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,060
And they kind of look at me like,

696
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:46,860
hmm, huh.

697
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:49,740
They give me this sideways look.

698
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:52,200
How do we counteract that?

699
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:56,460
Because they're brainwashed and they're brainwashed by people

700
00:29:56,460 --> 00:29:58,820
who are making a lot of money off

701
00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:02,040
of a system that is killing the planet,

702
00:30:02,340 --> 00:30:04,020
not helping animals.

703
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,500
And let's not forget the animals who are

704
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,120
killed to be fed to the dogs.

705
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240
They're cows, they're pigs, they're lambs.

706
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:13,060
They're just like our dogs and cats.

707
00:30:13,540 --> 00:30:15,260
Let's not leave them out of the equation,

708
00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:15,880
Dr. Linda.

709
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,660
Yeah, it's an important conversation.

710
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,580
And I think education and leading by example

711
00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:25,540
are two things.

712
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:28,040
But as you're saying, money is driving much

713
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:28,480
of this.

714
00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:31,520
And you mentioned earlier, the marketing efforts, the

715
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,040
campaign.

716
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:36,700
So again, more research for sure to show

717
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:38,480
that this is evidence-based.

718
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:39,600
That's one aspect.

719
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:44,260
As we all do, advocating, working in this

720
00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:48,380
space, leading by example, and education being a

721
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:50,980
very big part of the equation as well.

722
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,620
So we work, we're fortunate to be in

723
00:30:53,620 --> 00:30:55,980
a space at a health science university.

724
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:59,560
And we work also in interprofessional settings.

725
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,840
And having conversations with future healthcare providers from

726
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,220
the different health professions is a very important

727
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,380
part of that equation.

728
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,120
And of course, moving outside of the usual

729
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,420
comfort zone of where you have most clinician

730
00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:17,000
scientists.

731
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:20,300
So in addition to the peer reviewed papers,

732
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,140
but also having conversations through media as we're

733
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:28,180
doing today, the short documentary is incredibly important.

734
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,500
And we're very, very grateful to the Oceanic

735
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:34,120
Preservation Society and all the team members, as

736
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,800
you also mentioned previously.

737
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:39,060
So really the outreach, the education, and also

738
00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:41,200
what you might label as edutainment.

739
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:45,340
So you keep spreading that very, very important

740
00:31:45,340 --> 00:31:45,840
message.

741
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,140
A lot of people just simply don't know

742
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:51,700
how much is sort of going on, if

743
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,400
you will, behind closed doors in the industrialised

744
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,940
food animal production system.

745
00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:58,260
So really having conversations.

746
00:31:59,180 --> 00:32:02,020
And I think that's why we need to

747
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:04,460
be sort of investing energy and time.

748
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,740
And a lot of the drumbeat of your

749
00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:12,440
dogs have to eat meat is that, oh,

750
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,960
they have to get this vitamin that's only

751
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,640
available in meat supposedly, or that vitamin that's

752
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,280
only available in meat supposedly.

753
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:23,480
The film, which is streaming on Unchained TV,

754
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,480
Can Dogs Thrive on a Plant-Based Diet,

755
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840
really breaks that down and shows that that

756
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,040
is just a complete myth, that plant-based

757
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,300
ingredients have all the vitamins necessary.

758
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:36,680
Listen.

759
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:39,440
We collected more than 3,000 parameters in

760
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,220
one year from these dogs.

761
00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:45,280
For example, vitamin D, it's very important for

762
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,040
bone metabolism and also for immunity.

763
00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:53,020
The vitamin D in seven out of these

764
00:32:53,020 --> 00:32:55,300
15 dogs was insufficient.

765
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,460
At the end of the year, all of

766
00:32:58,460 --> 00:33:00,020
them, they were within normal limits.

767
00:33:01,260 --> 00:33:03,860
The vitamin D concentration that they were able

768
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:06,880
to measure in dogs normalised after more time

769
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,100
on a plant-based diet.

770
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:11,260
That really is contradictory to common thought.

771
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,580
Because the general consensus is that we get

772
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:18,140
vitamin D almost exclusively from animal products.

773
00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:22,700
So we saw that dogs that were clinically

774
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:27,360
healthy maintained health, but looking deeper into these

775
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,540
biomarkers, they were healthier.

776
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:31,680
Wow.

777
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,160
So that is exciting.

778
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,400
As the parent guardian of two vegan dogs,

779
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:38,040
it's great to hear that.

780
00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,060
But again, I'm so glad you had your

781
00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:43,020
study and that I can point to that

782
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:47,080
study because there is this myth and fear

783
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,400
of, oh no, you can't do that.

784
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,660
In fact, some people will accuse you of

785
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:54,040
abusing your dogs if you had them on

786
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:54,780
a vegan diet.

787
00:33:55,500 --> 00:34:00,200
What are the best arguments, Dr. Mel Garejo,

788
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:07,719
for counteracting this irrational, just myth-based fear?

789
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,860
Because the more I think about it and

790
00:34:10,860 --> 00:34:14,840
think about the history of dogs, dogs were

791
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,360
one of the first signs of civilisation amongst

792
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:17,780
humans.

793
00:34:18,179 --> 00:34:23,179
The pack would be around the humans gathered

794
00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:26,139
and they would eat whatever scraps.

795
00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:28,960
Those scraps could be anything.

796
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:30,840
They ate to survive.

797
00:34:31,139 --> 00:34:34,840
So it wasn't like they were being fed

798
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,199
meat dog food from the beginning.

799
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:42,540
They clearly were eating opportunistically what would fall

800
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,360
to the ground or what they could get.

801
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,960
Before I try to answer that, Jane, I

802
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,679
like to just make a quick comment about

803
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,660
your question is how can we actually promote

804
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,000
and educate people?

805
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:01,520
I can tell you the PLOS ONE paper

806
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,260
was published last year in April and I

807
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:06,780
got good comments, congratulations from some people.

808
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:09,080
Some companies called me, they wanted to interview,

809
00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:09,560
etc.

810
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,880
But I mean, we have about 5,000

811
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,080
views on the PLOS ONE paper in the

812
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:17,780
first few months.

813
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,800
So that's the way you make science.

814
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,440
As long as we have only the paper,

815
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,500
everything was just as expected.

816
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:30,520
As soon as the short documentary came, it

817
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,520
was booming because suddenly it was not just

818
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Dr. Lina and Dr. Mugarejo and the PLOS

819
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,820
paper, it's like they are in Netflix.

820
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,960
That means like a streaming platform gave us

821
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,600
the credibility and the reputation.

822
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,660
So for the general public, I think it's

823
00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:51,920
important to create these documentaries.

824
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,980
And we are actually working really hard to

825
00:35:55,980 --> 00:35:58,420
combine those because now we have seen the

826
00:35:58,420 --> 00:36:01,020
power of filming.

827
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,540
So we are trying to do excellent science.

828
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,300
We would like to publish our results, but

829
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,760
also every time we go, we just went

830
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,120
to Sardinia last summer to look into the

831
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,620
longevity in these blue zones, what happens with

832
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:15,860
dogs that live with these centenarians.

833
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:17,840
And we are looking into that.

834
00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:20,400
And there's beautiful opportunities to actually do a

835
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:20,860
documentary.

836
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:23,060
So can you imagine if we can publish

837
00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,400
a paper about the blue zones, dogs living

838
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,820
longer, healthier?

839
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,180
We have the papers, but also, and more

840
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:32,580
importantly, we have the documentary so the general

841
00:36:32,580 --> 00:36:34,620
public can understand that.

842
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,500
We have discovered the power of that and

843
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:38,440
we would like to do it.

844
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,180
Of course, doing a film is expensive and

845
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:42,980
that's why we need your support.

846
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:45,800
The question that you're asking me when I'm

847
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,600
in an aeroplane or when I'm talking to

848
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,920
people, that they said, yeah, but dogs need

849
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,160
meat because the protein and everything.

850
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:55,440
The question is, so can you tell me

851
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,340
what protein is?

852
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,480
They don't know.

853
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:01,040
They're just like parrots saying, oh, protein, protein,

854
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:01,500
protein.

855
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Oh, but the amino acid, the L-carnitine.

856
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:04,300
Okay.

857
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:06,360
Can you tell me, explain to me please

858
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,500
what is the L-carnitine?

859
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:09,340
They don't really know.

860
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,260
So they just take it back.

861
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,940
But that I have seen that with a

862
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:17,280
very short documentary of less than 10 minutes,

863
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,880
it gives you the credibility and also open

864
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,280
a door so they can listen.

865
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,700
We have former students that are part of

866
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:26,120
the paper and they have very busy clinics.

867
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,680
And just as soon as they were featured

868
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,800
in the paper and in the documentary, all

869
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,160
the clients is like, okay, I like to

870
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,260
go a vegan doctor.

871
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,420
And it was not the paper.

872
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,460
It was not that.

873
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,800
It was the power of social media.

874
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,100
So we need to do a combination nowadays

875
00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:49,880
between people like you, really great, entertained, scientifically

876
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,480
based documentaries and publishing.

877
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,880
So we inform our new generations that dogs

878
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,940
are omnivores, not carnivores.

879
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,440
And your film is so powerful.

880
00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:03,260
It's only seven minutes, guys.

881
00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:05,060
You can watch it like this.

882
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:06,180
It's so entertaining.

883
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,220
You've seen some clips.

884
00:38:07,380 --> 00:38:09,940
Let's play another clip that really shows, of

885
00:38:09,940 --> 00:38:13,260
course, meat is connected with muscle in the

886
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:15,860
mind, but we all know the vegan bodybuilders.

887
00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:18,960
I know several, they're ripped beyond belief on

888
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,500
plants.

889
00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:22,580
Kale, for example, has more protein calorie per

890
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:23,700
calorie than steak.

891
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:26,960
Let's take another look at a clip from

892
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,180
this incredible mini doc that is streaming on

893
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:32,060
about that.

894
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,320
The athletic performance that a lot of these

895
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,740
animals can end up with is super high.

896
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,080
And you would not expect that out of

897
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:38,840
a vegan diet.

898
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,040
We often think of vegan diets as like

899
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,340
these kind of lean, not muscle building kind

900
00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:43,700
of diets.

901
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,600
And these dogs get beefy.

902
00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:46,760
They're strong.

903
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,720
They're healthy, but they're not overweight.

904
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:53,200
The data is so clear when it comes

905
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,580
to diet and dogs and you need to

906
00:38:55,580 --> 00:38:58,480
present solid cold data.

907
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,640
That's the only way to move this forward.

908
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,960
We are happy to say that the results

909
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,460
of our one year clinical study on plant

910
00:39:06,460 --> 00:39:09,280
-based nutrition in dogs have been published with

911
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,060
open access for everyone.

912
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:12,700
Yes.

913
00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:14,860
Don't take their word for it.

914
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,280
Go and Google the study plus one and

915
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,360
vegan dog food, and it will pop right

916
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:21,580
up.

917
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,820
Now, this is my vegan dog Sunday.

918
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:27,740
I have two vegan dogs and she is

919
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:32,600
super, super, I would say muscular.

920
00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:36,420
She's muscular and she runs like crazy and

921
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:36,900
fetches.

922
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,060
That's her whole thing.

923
00:39:38,580 --> 00:39:40,640
She's not a couch potato.

924
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:44,720
So it's really important to point out that

925
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:48,940
if the proof's in the pudding, okay, the

926
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:49,940
proof's in the pudding.

927
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:53,160
And Sunday here is a very athletic dog

928
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,440
on a 100% plant-based diet.

929
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,280
But I've got to ask you a question.

930
00:39:58,300 --> 00:39:58,700
Okay.

931
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,940
There have been occasions where due to a

932
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:06,920
babysitter or whatever, she's gotten access to meat.

933
00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:12,040
Like somebody giving her a treat before I

934
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,340
could stop them that has meat.

935
00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:17,860
And I noticed that once they taste that,

936
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:20,060
it takes a couple of days for them

937
00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:23,120
to, or for her specifically to want to

938
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,800
get back into the vegan food.

939
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:27,480
Can you discuss that Dr. Linda?

940
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:31,360
Like, I think that it's kind of, there's

941
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,420
a bit of an addictive component there.

942
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:36,200
We've got to address that.

943
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:38,320
Yeah.

944
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,060
I think it's, you said the word right

945
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:41,580
already.

946
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:43,560
You say there's individual variations.

947
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,360
So for some dogs, that's going to be

948
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,080
not really much.

949
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,940
They blink and they happily eat the usual

950
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:52,120
food the day after.

951
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:56,340
Some dogs might actually have a really bad

952
00:40:56,340 --> 00:41:01,540
episode, maybe some GI upset after getting very,

953
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,380
for them, unusual, atypical type of ingredients, like

954
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:08,240
someone giving them something meat-based.

955
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,100
And then as you described with Sunday, that

956
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:13,200
there might be those dogs that have more

957
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,460
maybe of addiction to certain tastes from whatever

958
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:21,100
those ingredients are in those products.

959
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,860
So you will have a variation.

960
00:41:23,660 --> 00:41:25,800
I think we do know that if it

961
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,260
is products that contain some of these more

962
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:31,800
addictive properties, and I think what comes to

963
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,600
mind immediately on sort of the human side

964
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
is what we know about cheese and anything

965
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,860
that has these casomorphins, these addictive properties.

966
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,560
So I would say probably if you ask

967
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,460
me to guess sort of across most domestic

968
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:50,720
dogs, they probably will be happy to go

969
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,320
back to the food that they are used

970
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,780
to eating.

971
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:55,040
And then yes, you will have those cases

972
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,300
like with what you described, and she is

973
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:00,780
a little bit hesitant perhaps the following day.

974
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:03,040
So that's what I would attribute to some

975
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,740
individual variations, some preferences.

976
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,980
But again, as you also described, she's very,

977
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:12,620
very happy on a daily basis eating the

978
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:15,060
type of nutrition that you're feeding to her.

979
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:19,200
And I am guessing that there's some variation

980
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:19,880
in that.

981
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,620
So we had the conversation earlier about what

982
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:24,560
type of foods to avoid with dogs.

983
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,600
And again, the individual variation of what different

984
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,700
dogs enjoy eating.

985
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Oh, thank you so much for that, Dr.

986
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:33,280
Linda.

987
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,860
I feel like I'm getting a consultation with

988
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:38,160
a vet today for myself.

989
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:41,080
Yeah, I do everything I can to make

990
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,240
sure they get no exposure to meat at

991
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:44,460
all.

992
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,540
And if somebody tries to give them a

993
00:42:46,540 --> 00:42:48,640
treat, I just say, no, thank you.

994
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:50,000
My dogs are vegan.

995
00:42:50,340 --> 00:42:53,880
And hopefully that will also register in there.

996
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,840
They see that my dogs are healthy.

997
00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:00,300
And again, we're not talking about the massive

998
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:02,420
numbers of animals who are just like our

999
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:05,600
dogs and cats who are killed to be

1000
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680
put in dog food cans to be fed

1001
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,780
to dogs when it doesn't even help them.

1002
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,660
There's a parallel to what's happening with humans.

1003
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,560
We see, you know, horrible health crisis that

1004
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,500
has developed in our country with two thirds

1005
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:25,460
of Americans overweight or obese, 43% of

1006
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:26,340
Americans are obese.

1007
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,660
And it's a primarily meat and dairy laden

1008
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:32,300
fast food diet that's responsible.

1009
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,720
So let me try to go out to

1010
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:34,060
Darren.

1011
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,420
Darren, why are you doing this?

1012
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,860
Why is this important for you to do?

1013
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Well, it's an extension again, to your point,

1014
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:46,280
Jane, of our lifestyle.

1015
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:49,400
And I think our team, our family, our

1016
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,820
community choosing a plant-based diet for the

1017
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:56,520
various reasons of adopting plant based for the

1018
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120
environment, for animals, for human health, our own

1019
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,880
health, and connecting those pillars of veganism and

1020
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,800
extending that to our canine companions, which we

1021
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,100
now have even further evidence with the study

1022
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:11,740
to demonstrate the efficacy of plant-based nutrition

1023
00:44:11,740 --> 00:44:12,640
for canine health.

1024
00:44:12,820 --> 00:44:15,320
And so it's really a coming full circle

1025
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,840
for us.

1026
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:19,180
And our goal and our mission as a

1027
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:20,500
company, as a team and as a family

1028
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:22,940
is to continue to innovate and work with

1029
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,920
folks, both on the pet food nutrition side

1030
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,760
of things, as well as Dr. Medarato and

1031
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,880
Dr. Linde on the academic side and connecting

1032
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,340
those two different science groups together to bring

1033
00:44:34,340 --> 00:44:37,120
novel plant-based ingredients to the pet food

1034
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:42,000
industry and continue to innovate and develop nutritious,

1035
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,140
nutritiously balanced products for dogs.

1036
00:44:45,140 --> 00:44:49,180
Uh, what I would like to see is

1037
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:52,660
a topper, a topper with, has gravy.

1038
00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:54,960
That would be something I would really like

1039
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,700
to see because sometimes, uh, it's, it's just,

1040
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,100
they're just like people, you know, I don't

1041
00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:02,320
want to just eat a slab of tofu.

1042
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,100
I'd like to have a little spices and

1043
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,120
hot sauce or whatever it is that I,

1044
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,820
as a human being want, well, the dogs

1045
00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:08,700
are the same way.

1046
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,380
So I think we can make, we could

1047
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:12,980
make vegan dog food more attractive.

1048
00:45:12,980 --> 00:45:14,940
And I know you're working on that, uh,

1049
00:45:14,940 --> 00:45:17,500
V-Dog and very excited to see what

1050
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:20,540
comes down the pike, uh, in terms of,

1051
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,640
uh, vegan dog food products.

1052
00:45:23,820 --> 00:45:25,100
We know we have a lot of treats,

1053
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:28,720
uh, during this show, I was tempted to

1054
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,100
jump to my kitchen and grab some of

1055
00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:32,400
those treats to show everybody.

1056
00:45:32,580 --> 00:45:34,680
But, uh, I will do that actually, because

1057
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,240
I think it's important to, for, for, uh,

1058
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:38,160
people to see.

1059
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:42,380
So Dr. Mel Garejo, will you, for a

1060
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:45,920
minute, take us through how this study was

1061
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,280
conducted?

1062
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:49,460
Because when people think of studies involving animals,

1063
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:52,220
they think of animals in cages, animals being

1064
00:45:52,220 --> 00:45:54,780
tortured in laboratories, which of course we are

1065
00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:55,640
all against.

1066
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:58,800
All we do is work on freeing animals

1067
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:59,980
from laboratories.

1068
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,980
Um, can you describe how these dogs were

1069
00:46:04,980 --> 00:46:09,220
treated during this study and how long the

1070
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:09,860
study went on?

1071
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,220
Of course, um, as you pointed, these are

1072
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:16,860
client owned dogs.

1073
00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:20,740
Um, so they were dogs, uh, from students,

1074
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,780
staff, and faculty here at Western University.

1075
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,740
And there's a big challenge, uh, working with

1076
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:30,160
client owned dogs, because, um, pretty much the

1077
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,920
only thing that, the only thing that we

1078
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,460
did, uh, the study was the sign that

1079
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:37,060
they needed to be between one year and

1080
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:38,480
10 years of age.

1081
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,440
And they needed to be on a meat

1082
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,220
based diet, kibble, uh, most of them, um,

1083
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,980
uh, for at least one year.

1084
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:51,760
And then we transition, uh, these 15, uh,

1085
00:46:51,780 --> 00:46:55,120
dogs, females and males in one week to

1086
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,340
a big, uh, uh, a vegan diet.

1087
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,480
And then we follow them for a year.

1088
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,600
So right there when people say, oh, it's

1089
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,680
a, it's a small study.

1090
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,640
It's a short study.

1091
00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:06,780
Let me just tell you something.

1092
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,380
Uh, one year of a dog, it's very

1093
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:10,860
difficult.

1094
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:13,960
There's not a number, but it's equal to

1095
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,220
six to eight years on humans.

1096
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:19,360
So if it's like, uh, in this group,

1097
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,760
I said, okay, Darren, Anika, uh, Jane and

1098
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,900
other people, we are going to put you

1099
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,220
on a diet for seven years.

1100
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,380
You tell me if that is a short

1101
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:33,540
study, seven years of a human with the

1102
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:36,980
same diet, follow you and then measure more

1103
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:38,220
than 3000 parameters.

1104
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,080
That is the significance of this study is

1105
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,700
not just a study.

1106
00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:43,080
Yeah.

1107
00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:45,420
The number of dogs, there were 15 dogs,

1108
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:48,400
but none of them actually show a clinical

1109
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:48,940
science.

1110
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,640
And a lot of the dogs and the,

1111
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,980
the guardians call me and said, Dr. Mel

1112
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:56,480
Garejo, my dog is smiling.

1113
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:58,680
I didn't know that my dog smiled.

1114
00:47:59,140 --> 00:48:02,300
Dr. Mel Garejo, my dog is really full

1115
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:02,900
of energy.

1116
00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:04,340
My dog is happy.

1117
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:06,040
My dog is less aggressive.

1118
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:07,100
And you know why?

1119
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,220
Because there's now a area that we didn't

1120
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,400
know a 10 years ago that is called

1121
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,940
the God brain axis.

1122
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,200
What you eat is not just what you

1123
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,220
are, but it's the way, how you think.

1124
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:21,740
So, and we saw, and we didn't comment

1125
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:25,300
on, on this documentary that actually, or dogs

1126
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,980
on a plant-based diet, the tryptophan, one

1127
00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:30,460
of the amino acids that are key for

1128
00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:31,280
happiness.

1129
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,240
They just went all the way up, even

1130
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,880
above normal levels.

1131
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,740
And the tryptophan is probably the molecule of

1132
00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:41,560
the serotonin.

1133
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,140
And the serotonin is the molecule that promotes

1134
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:47,060
calmness and happiness.

1135
00:48:47,060 --> 00:48:50,620
So this was a very interesting study because

1136
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:55,260
it was 50, 15 dogs, but the time

1137
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:57,640
it was a year and every three months,

1138
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,960
we checked the dogs every three months.

1139
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,740
And every month we called the guardians and

1140
00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:03,760
how is the dog doing?

1141
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:05,680
How are the faeces urinating?

1142
00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:07,680
And we check absolutely everything.

1143
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:10,940
We have still data, mega data on the

1144
00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:14,700
microbiome, faecal microbiome, urine microbiome, the things that

1145
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,060
are going to come later, we hope in,

1146
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,900
in publications.

1147
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:22,960
But this was a very interesting study.

1148
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:25,920
I give credit to Dr. Lina because she

1149
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,180
designed the study together with a biostatistician from

1150
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:31,280
UC Berkeley.

1151
00:49:31,580 --> 00:49:36,680
They were extremely meticulous and strict about what

1152
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,280
are we going to do, how we're going

1153
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,940
to publish and what statistics techniques are going

1154
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:44,320
to use to prove that even with 15

1155
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,820
dogs, this is highly significant.

1156
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:49,300
And I've been doing my own study here

1157
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:50,560
with my little Wednesday.

1158
00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:51,520
Okay.

1159
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:52,780
So I want to show you some of

1160
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:54,000
the V-Dog products.

1161
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:57,780
This they go crazy for.

1162
00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:01,240
This is like, well, it's equivalent to me

1163
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,740
having a chocolate eclair maybe, but a lot

1164
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:04,200
healthier.

1165
00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:06,040
So you see this little face.

1166
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,400
She loves this.

1167
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:08,480
This is her treat.

1168
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:10,620
Yes, yes, yes.

1169
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,100
There's a little Wednesday.

1170
00:50:12,580 --> 00:50:16,620
And then this one I just give to

1171
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:17,740
Sunday.

1172
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,600
I believe this is when it has a

1173
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,420
little apple in it.

1174
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,020
And I give this one to Sunday.

1175
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,560
She goes crazy for it.

1176
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:26,420
And then we have the breath bone that

1177
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:27,540
they both love.

1178
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,960
And those are the dog shoes that I

1179
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,400
showed you that they, they love, and they

1180
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,240
love that chewy sensation.

1181
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:39,340
And then I keep the kibble.

1182
00:50:39,660 --> 00:50:40,640
Hold on a little girl.

1183
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,580
I keep the kibble in this, and this

1184
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:44,460
is the kibble.

1185
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,760
And I have a little scooper and I

1186
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,800
scoop it out.

1187
00:50:48,140 --> 00:50:52,340
And that's, that's like a lot of their

1188
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:52,620
diet.

1189
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,600
They also have wet food and I also

1190
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,080
make them carrots, corn, and potatoes in a

1191
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,940
little mix, sometimes with seitan.

1192
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:05,140
So let me try to go back to

1193
00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:09,060
Darren and see Darren, what other products are,

1194
00:51:09,260 --> 00:51:10,980
can we expect from you in the, in

1195
00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:11,460
the future?

1196
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,380
Well, thank you, Jane.

1197
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:13,640
Yeah.

1198
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:15,800
We're excited about our current products as well

1199
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,360
as some new products in the product pipeline

1200
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,940
and with Dr. Gregg on our nutrition side

1201
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:23,440
of things and product development side.

1202
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:27,920
And toppers is on our radar, different versions

1203
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,860
of toppers, as well as prebiotic and probiotic

1204
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:34,680
treats and other functional ingredient-based treats.

1205
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:37,460
And on the food side, we are looking

1206
00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:40,840
at a couple of different opportunities moving into

1207
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,680
a fresh concept that could also double as

1208
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,060
a topper.

1209
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,640
So again, these are all in the pipeline

1210
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,180
and we're working on them currently.

1211
00:51:49,180 --> 00:51:51,920
We are, we're a small, you know, family

1212
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,180
-owned and operated entity.

1213
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,760
So we have to manage our budget carefully

1214
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,060
and move cautiously, but we're excited because we

1215
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:02,940
have some great potential opportunities and partnerships in

1216
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:05,280
2025 to launch some new products.

1217
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,840
Well, I, again, I want to give you

1218
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,580
compliments on making your products very easy to

1219
00:52:11,580 --> 00:52:11,960
get.

1220
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,620
I order them, they're here the next day

1221
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:17,000
and they love them.

1222
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:20,600
They just absolutely love all the different products.

1223
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,240
I think for this little one, she just

1224
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,360
goes so crazy over the wiggle biscuits.

1225
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:30,080
The wiggle biscuits are really what, what rocks

1226
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:30,560
her boat.

1227
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:34,560
But let's just have final thoughts, 30 seconds

1228
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:34,860
each.

1229
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:35,800
We're out of time.

1230
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,920
Dr. Linda, what's your message?

1231
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,800
I think the very short message here is

1232
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,160
that we have shown with the study that

1233
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,680
this is definitely an option for dogs.

1234
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:51,260
It allows dogs to thrive.

1235
00:52:51,620 --> 00:52:54,820
There's no need to be worried about it.

1236
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:56,420
This is nutritionally complete.

1237
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:59,640
So thumbs up and think about us as

1238
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,540
we talked about all the important social implications,

1239
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,640
ethical implications.

1240
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:05,780
Dr. Tona.

1241
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,320
Well, science is built by bricks and we

1242
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,280
just put the first brick of a beautiful

1243
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,440
castle and we cannot stop now.

1244
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:18,900
One paper doesn't mean very much in the

1245
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:19,900
scientific community.

1246
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:23,400
We need to keep promoting through different documentaries

1247
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,940
and we need to produce a lot of

1248
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:28,220
bricks and we need to do it in

1249
00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:32,640
a scientifically manner and we need funding to

1250
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,060
do that.

1251
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:35,840
As I said, there is no one supporting

1252
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,780
us but amazing philanthropists that actually believe in

1253
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:43,620
a better world, planetary health, human health, and

1254
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:46,460
the health of our amazing, beautiful friends.

1255
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:50,560
Well, for us, for Wednesday, Sunday and myself,

1256
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,100
I could say that we look forward to

1257
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:55,060
having you come back when you have your

1258
00:53:55,060 --> 00:53:57,400
next GoFundMe for your next study.

1259
00:53:57,940 --> 00:54:00,540
Nothing would make me happier than to be

1260
00:54:00,540 --> 00:54:03,620
a part of that, to donate, to promote

1261
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:05,480
anything we can do.

1262
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:09,320
I want to do because, wow, the clock's

1263
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:09,560
ticking.

1264
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,420
We haven't even gotten to the environmental damage

1265
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:14,160
that meat causes.

1266
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:16,820
You're my heroes.

1267
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,780
All three of you are my heroes.

1268
00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,220
I want to thank you so much for

1269
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:23,180
watching Unshained TV.

1270
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:25,780
For those of you who are watching or

1271
00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:28,320
listening, go to Unshained TV and watch the

1272
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:28,940
documentary.

1273
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,980
It's right there in the featured section.

1274
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:35,080
And as always, what I would suggest is

1275
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,360
support Unshained TV.

1276
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:39,040
You can download it.

1277
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,120
It's the world's only vegan streaming television network.

1278
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:44,820
So it's a vegan network.

1279
00:54:45,140 --> 00:54:45,400
Okay.

1280
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,040
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1281
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,320
I love Unshained TV.

1282
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,140
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1283
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1284
00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:51,260
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1285
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1286
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,280
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1287
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:55,780
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1288
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:58,200
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1289
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,320
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1290
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,980
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1291
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,020
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1292
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:06,100
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1293
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1294
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,980
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