Oct. 30, 2024
UnchainedTV: Free Captain Paul Watson!
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Whale Wars Star and founder of Sea Shepherd, Captain Paul Watson, has been imprisoned since July in Greenland! The anti-whaling hero has applied for political asylum in France as he fights off attempts by Japan to get him extradited to that nation where he could end up behind bars for 15 years. Activists around the world are demanding that Watson be released immediately with protests from Los Angeles to France outside Danish government offices. Watson was first arrested back in July when his ship docked in Greenland, which is park of the kingdom of Denmark. Danish authorities are still deciding whether to extradite him. Japan is one of the few nations that still engages in whaling. Environmentalists and animal lovers across the globe are outraged that any government would side with whalers at a time when our seas and the animals in them are in crisis. UnchainedTV’s Jane Velez-Mitchell speaks with Omar Todd, Global CEO of the Paul Watson Foundation. https://www.paulwatsonfoundation.org/
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Streaming network, Jane Velez Mitchell.
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Now, here's your host, Jane Velez Mitchell.
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We have breaking news for you in the
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battle to free Captain Paul Watson.
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This 73-year-old anti-whaling hero is
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the subject of demonstrations around the world.
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People who are outraged that the whale war
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star and founder of Sea Shepherd, Captain Paul
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Watson, has been imprisoned in Greenland since July.
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This anti-whaling hero has applied for political
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asylum in France as he fights off attempts
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by Japan to get him extradited to that
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nation where he could end up behind bars
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for 15 years.
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And he just wants to stop the gruesome
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slaughter of whales that Japan is engaging in.
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Activists around the world are demanding that Watson
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be released immediately with protests from Los Angeles
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to France, outside Danish government offices.
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Watson was first arrested back in July when
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his ship docked in Greenland.
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And Greenland is a very, very large country,
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but very sparsely populated that's part of the
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kingdom of Denmark.
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Danish authorities are still deciding whether to extradite
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him.
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And Japan is one of the few nations
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that is still engaging in whaling.
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We are so excited to have with us
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today a man who is the CEO of
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the Paul Watson Foundation, Omar Todd.
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Omar, thank you for joining us live from
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London.
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What is the very latest when it comes
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to Paul Watson?
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How is he doing?
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Well, thanks for having me on your show.
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How is he doing?
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I think now he's getting a little fed
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up with the process of the slowness of
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the wheels of justice that aren't turning too
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quickly.
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He's resolute though, strong, determined, but at the
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same time, obviously he's missing his wife and
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two kids and his family in general.
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But at the same time, he's strong as
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I've ever seen.
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He's the most upbeat out of all of
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us, actually.
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He's a man of great courage, strength, but
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he is frustrated a little bit at the
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court system.
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I mean, we've had now six or so,
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or at least four or five now sort
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of adjournments and remands continuously.
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And, you know, so it's getting a bit
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frustrated now from the day he was sort
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of arrested back in the 21st of July.
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Here's what I don't understand.
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I don't understand the story at all.
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Why is Denmark siding with Japan?
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Japan is one of the few countries left
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on earth that is still engaging in whaling.
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And from what I read, there's actually an
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international treaty against whaling.
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So I don't get why Denmark is going
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along with what Japan wants.
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I would think Denmark, who's generally considered a
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very progressive country, big on environmentalism, big on
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sustainability.
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Why would they go along with this horrific
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plan by Japan to continue whaling?
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And apparently they have a brand new whaling
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ship that they wanna have some fun with
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by going out there and killing a bunch
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of whales.
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What's in it for Denmark?
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Well, that's a conundrum, isn't it?
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That's the paradox of it all.
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I mean, here you have an EU country.
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We're under EU regulations.
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Whaling is illegal.
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Backing up a extradition request of a country
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that's on the other side of the planet
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that continues to whale.
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And we think it comes down to a
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couple of factors.
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One, we don't know the real mystery, but
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we can only speculate.
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We think it originated from the Faroe Islands,
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which is another small group of islands under
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the Danish rule nearby, who you may or
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may not have heard have had this Grindelup
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thing where they herd pilot whales into their
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little fords and kill them.
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And we think they are the ones that
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notified the Danish authorities that Paul was on
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his way via the Northwest Passage to go
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to the Pacific Ocean with the vessel, the
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JPD, to interfere with the Japanese whaling there
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in one way or another.
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An operation was announced called Operation Kangimaru.
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And because of that, because of that, on
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or around in March, April, the Japanese basically
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reignited an old Interpol Red Notice against Paul,
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but only to the Danish government.
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Based on the information, the Faroese fed them.
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And when Paul landed on the JPD in
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Nuuk, Greenland, there was, I believe there was
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14 special forces that jumped on police officers
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that arrested Paul and took him away.
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So one has to ask, why would they
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do this?
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What's in it for Denmark?
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I mean, here you have a progressive prime
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minister.
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She's very pro-environment.
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Denmark's known to be a progressive, law-abiding
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society.
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And then you have this whaling issue.
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And optically, it does not do them any
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favours at all to continue this narrative with
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holding Paul on, which by the way, the
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charges, the alleged charges, which amount to malicious
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damage, looting, hooligism and assault as maltreatment, which
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he didn't actually do.
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One of the crew members who did these
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things, he's been labelled to be the conspiracy
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as part of the charges.
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And this has caused all this drama when
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the actual allegations themselves are minor fines in
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both Greenland, the Denmark, and even two out
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of three of them in Japan.
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So essentially, these charges and allegations are very
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flimsy in themselves.
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And then, so you've got Denmark applying this
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extradition request for charges that are really flimsy.
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And here it gets even worse, that when
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we go to these court sessions to discuss
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the extradition, that they won't allow the evidence
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that clearly shows from the TV show, Wow
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Wars, that these particular charges, particularly the aggravated
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assault aspect, which is the one they're really
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focussing on, it shows that where the stink
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bomb was thrown, where it hits the ship
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on the, I think it's this starboard side,
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there was no one there, but they won't
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accept that evidence in court, but they have
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allowed the prosecution to show their video evidence,
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but not the defence to show the evidence.
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So why are they doing it?
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Well, we think there must be some economic
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aspect to it that we don't know.
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Now, we believe the Japanese went to Greenland
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in December, 2023, and perhaps there was trade
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arrangements done there, obviously, and there's obviously the
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aspect where the Faroese are also a whaling
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nation under the Danish government.
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So it has to be that.
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It has to be the Faroese, and it
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has to be something going on in terms
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of trade.
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That's what our speculation is.
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So if you're upset about this, as so
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many people are, you can go to paulwatsonfoundation
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.org, and the gentleman we're speaking with live
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from London is the CEO of the paulwatsonfoundation
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.org, and you can sign the petition to
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demand the immediate release of Paul Watson.
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I did it yesterday.
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It takes literally 30 seconds.
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More than 200,000 people have signed this
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petition.
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And as you can see on the bottom
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left, if you're watching, you can donate as
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well.
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And if you're just listening, you can still
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do all of this.
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Go to paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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Once again, that's paulwatsonfoundation.org, and with the
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click of a button, you can sign the
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petition to demand the immediate release of Paul
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Watson.
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If you feel like it, you can make
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a donation.
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And many, many famous people, including, well, James
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Bond, Pierce Brosnan, have taken photos of themselves
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with hashtag free paulwatson, so you can also
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do that.
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We have Jane Goodall demanding, Dr. Jane Goodall,
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the famous primatologist, demanding the immediate release of
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Captain Paul Watson, saying, Captain Watson is simply
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taking action to try to prevent the inhumane
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practise of killing whales, which most countries have
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banned decades ago.
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In so doing, he's expressing the anger of
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thousands of people in many countries who absolutely
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support his moral courage in not only speaking
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out on behalf of the whales, but taking
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action.
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So many leaders have done this.
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I wanna go to Annie Abram, who has
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facilitated protests in Los Angeles.
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Tell us about the protests that you've helped
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organise, Annie, in support of Captain Paul Watson.
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Thank you, Jane, and hi, great to see
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you, Omar.
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Samaria, Sam Marie and Michael Fujimori, who had
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been, Sam Marie had been doing it up
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north, obviously, the protests, and we've been doing
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it here with Michael Fujimori and my little
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baby.
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We're going on doing these protests.
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We've done five protests so far, and each
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time there was an extension.
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The reason we're doing this, because this is
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a planetary issue.
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It's far more than just Paul Watson.
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Paul Watson is the hero who had been
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protecting our ocean or sea life.
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By protecting sea life, he also stood for
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the seals that have been killed, but the
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whales themselves, I've done research.
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I am shocked how amazing this man is
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protecting our planet by protecting the whales, which
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is protecting the sea.
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As he says, when the seas die, we
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all die.
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Absolutely, and you can see the bloody mess
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that it is involved in whaling from these
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photos provided by paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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It has no place in the civilised world,
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and you know what?
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Paul Watson, as we know from whale wars,
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yes, he is in your face, and the
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reason is that if you're not in their
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face, you can't stop whaling.
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Writing a nice letter to Japan and saying,
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hey, you don't eat whale meat very much
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anymore.
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There's really no purpose.
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We don't need to whale for fuel.
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There's no reason for it.
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There's no excuse for it.
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There's no justification for it.
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Have you tried to reach Japan itself?
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Because I know the people of Japan are
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compassionate.
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This is the government.
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This is follow the money.
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Why is Japan so hell bent on whaling
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in the 21st century when obviously it's something
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that belongs in the dustbin of history?
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Omar.
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Well, it comes down to jobs for retiring
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politicians, essentially.
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So less than 2% of the Japanese
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market that whaling whale meat is marketed to,
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no one eats it there anymore, particularly the
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young people who aren't interested.
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So why do they have whaling?
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Well, they built this $48 million Citation Death
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Star, the new factory ship, you know, and
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they have to justify it operating, you know,
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it's been built for long range.
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So we know at some stage that they
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probably will go down to the Southern Ocean
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again.
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And why, you know, and these, if you've
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actually been there, I've been there and I've
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been to where the actual whaling fishing villages
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originate from in a shimmery area and all
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this regional coastal area, the towns are dying
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there.
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And essentially there's only fishing left.
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And then you've got older legislators that are
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retiring.
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And what do they do once they retire?
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Well, as you can see with the current
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Japanese politics, there's a lot of scandals going
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on.
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They tend to essentially prop up industries that
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they've got an interest in or their forefathers
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or they're traditionally done, which is of course
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in this case whaling.
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And they go to these, they leave their
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offices and then go to these particular jobs
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and they get subsidised by the government and
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it continues to keep them obviously employed in
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one way or another.
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So that's essentially why we think they do
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it.
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I mean, at long-term, I don't think
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it's going to be something that's sustainable for
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them once the younger population gets older and
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realises what's going on.
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But for now they have vested heavily into
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it.
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And obviously once they heard Paul Watson was
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coming over with his vessels again, they did
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everything and they could to try to stop
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that.
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And that is obviously why they reignited this
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old warrant around the end of March, 2024.
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And they're going to try to keep him
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in remand for as long as possible.
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I mean, he's just hit over a hundred
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days now.
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So we've had a 15th of August, 4th
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of September, 2nd of October, 23rd of October,
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and the next one's on the 13th of
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November.
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They've run out of excuses to hold him.
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Under typical detention, you wouldn't even be held
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for these charges.
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So the law has not been applied here
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at all.
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The Japanese foreign minister about a week ago
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said this is all about the law, not
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about the issue of whaling.
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But that's absolute nonsense because you have the
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Japanese contravening the law, the International Court of
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Justice ruling, the Australian Federal Court of ruling.
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They're down there in the Southern Ocean, not
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even in their own waters whaling.
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And this is what Paul's being charged for
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when we shouldn't have been down there at
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the time.
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Well, at the stage of the Sea Shepherd
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vessels, it should have been other countries enforcing
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the rule of law down there, but they
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didn't.
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And Paul often says that if, well, we
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shouldn't be in these places, someone should be
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enforcing the laws that are being passed.
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And if they won't do it, we have
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to do it.
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And here he is having to defend himself
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for essentially following the law and pushing the
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Japanese issue into the light of day and
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being now arrested for something that they claim
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is against the law based in Japanese law
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on board their own vessel rather than the
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international law at the sea.
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That is so crazy.
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They're siding with Japanese law over international law
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when Paul Watson is defending the international law
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against whaling.
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Let's hear from Paul Watson himself.
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If I die in a Japanese prison, how
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will Denmark explain that?
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How will they rationalise their decision if that
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happens?
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The extermination of entire families from unborn foetuses
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to the largest whales in the pod, entire
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families wiped out.
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There are no survivors.
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It has no place in the 21st century.
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It has no place in the civilised world.
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International outrage has erupted over the arrest of
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Captain Paul Watson, famed anti-whaling activist who
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faces possible extradition from Greenland to Japan, and
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fears are growing for his safety.
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Because of people like Captain Paul Watson bringing
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awareness to the public about what's going on
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in the Faroe Islands.
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I'm hoping that all the people who didn't
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sign the petition will continue to support that
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cause.
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So are you able to talk to him?
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Have you, do you, how do you do
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it?
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Do you do it with FaceTime or phone?
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And how is he holding up?
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He's 73 years old being in jail in
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Greenland, which is a very remote place.
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Psychologically, physically, emotionally, this has gotta be hell
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for him.
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Yeah, look, initially when he was arrested, we
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had some comfort knowing that Nuuk itself is
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a fairly new facility.
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It's a prison of about 48 or so
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prisoners.
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In fact, you can watch an episode on
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Netflix and see what the prison's like itself.
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And we thought, well, okay, it's not too
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bad.
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They were reasonably friendly to begin with.
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We can go and visit him.
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We could call him on the telephone.
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And when I did go and visit him,
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eventually, it was, you could ring up in
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the morning and you book an employment, you
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go and see him, you got a couple
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of hours.
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But they do, when I went inside and
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had a look around, I was like, okay,
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this is real jail.
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This is not mucking around.
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He's really in proper high security remand facility.
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He's in a wing of about nine people
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of which none now speak English.
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So he's got no one to talk to
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at all.
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He's got, we have tried getting him a
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typewriter.
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We've tried getting him permission to get a
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computer that's obviously not connected to the internet
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just so we can type and write, but
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they've denied all of that.
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And so essentially he can get letters written
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and sent to him.
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And as time went on, what we discovered
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is that more and more, that became a
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little bit more restrictive.
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So we couldn't reach him anymore until about
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a couple of weeks ago.
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We now can no longer call him.
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Only he gets one call a week from
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his family and only the registered Danish lawyers
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can call him.
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So that's made it super awkward and difficult
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for us to have here on the outside
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to try to communicate with him.
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And I think that's because they have been
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overwhelmed by the support he has.
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And obviously maybe there's been talk behind the
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scenes, making things more difficult because they don't
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want him to continue to operate business as
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usual in terms of the foundation or other
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operations.
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And I think they're just trying to make
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things more difficult, isolating more.
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But yeah, so he's getting a little frustrated.
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We're a little frustrated.
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We were assured for some time now that
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against, under Danish law, this is very unusual
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because there's not many precedents involved, but he
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should have been out by now.
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I mean, they should have made a decision.
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So this is sort of how it works.
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So you get the receipt of Japan for
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the formal attrition request to the Danish government.
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And then the case is transferred from the
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Danish Ministry of Justice to the Greenlandic Police
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Authority.
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Then the police authority then investigate the provisions
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and the extradition request to recommend whether to
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exodite him or not.
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At this stage, we're waiting for that recommendation.
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And then the review from the Minister of
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Justice in Denmark will read the recommendation and
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decide or not whether to exodite Paul or
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not.
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If that happens, of course, we will immediately
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do an appeal.
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And then it goes to the Supreme Court
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in Denmark, and then it goes to the
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International Court of Human Rights, and it just
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continues from there.
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And that's gonna be a long time.
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But really, we are hoping that they come
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to their senses and just release him and
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basically ignore the Japanese request for extradition because
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it's essentially a death sentence for Paul.
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And they need to understand that.
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And I think that the world is trying
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to make them understand that.
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So, it is our hope he will be
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released on the 13th of November.
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But based on what we've seen so far,
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we just don't know.
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Yeah, and by the way, people who are
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signing the petition are posting on various social
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media that they're watching that they have signed
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the petition.
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Nilo Farr said, I just added my name,
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so I'm urging everybody.
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I signed last night while I was researching
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the story.
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It takes literally 10 seconds.
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You just go to the paulwatsonfoundation.org, Paul
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Watson, W-A-T-S-O-N, foundation
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.org, and click to add your name.
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You can also make a donation.
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And Nilo Farr is also asking, what would
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Japanese prison look like for Paul Watson?
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They have a brutal record, not on par
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with developing nations.
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And we've also heard that same theme echoed
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by some other activists who say that he
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could really be brutalised if he ends up
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in a Japanese prison.
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You've said it could be a death sentence.
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He's 73 years old.
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Are you just saying that because of his
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age or because Japan has been at war
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with Paul Watson for so long?
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I mean, I shudder to think what could
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happen to him.
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Well, essentially, if you're charged in Japan, you're
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guilty.
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It has a 99.7% chance of
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a conviction rate.
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And the reason being is if you're charged,
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you're guilty.
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Now, the process to fight those charges, whatever
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they are, is long and quite exhausting.
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You'll usually take up to two years before
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you see a judge to fight your case.
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And of course, the honour system there prevents,
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the prosecutor will be questioned, why is this
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person defending himself in the first place?
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So there's that part of the Japanese rule
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of law.
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There's plenty on YouTube and Netflix about the
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Japanese rule of law and how brutal their
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justice system is.
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And then you have a look at, okay,
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he's got his age and then it's Paul
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himself.
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So the moment he gets extradited there, essentially
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he'll be poorly treated in much more discomfort
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and he won't break.
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He won't break.
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So what are they gonna do with someone
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00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:16,270
who won't break?
534
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:18,190
Well, they'll keep him there and they'll make
535
00:22:18,190 --> 00:22:19,650
it uncomfortable for him as possible.
536
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:21,770
And that's what we're facing.
537
00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:23,810
And I know he won't, he will never
538
00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:24,390
capitulate.
539
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:27,570
He will never do anything that will compromise
540
00:22:27,570 --> 00:22:29,990
his stance and his views because that's the
541
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:30,970
sort of man he is.
542
00:22:31,170 --> 00:22:32,070
He sticks to it.
543
00:22:32,550 --> 00:22:35,710
So that means there's no way out for
544
00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:35,910
him.
545
00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:39,370
And if that's no way out, then he
546
00:22:39,370 --> 00:22:41,470
will be suffering up to 15 years of
547
00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:43,970
jail, which is what this alleged charge can
548
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:45,130
possibly carry up to.
549
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:47,870
And as a 73-year-old man, well,
550
00:22:48,270 --> 00:22:49,330
you do the sums.
551
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:53,050
Well, once again, if you're just joining us,
552
00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:54,850
Omar Todd, the head of the Paul Watson
553
00:22:54,850 --> 00:22:57,810
Foundation is joining us live from London.
554
00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:00,450
And we are so honoured to speak with
555
00:23:00,450 --> 00:23:00,770
him.
556
00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:05,050
Paul Watson has been behind bars for more
557
00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:06,160
than 100 days.
558
00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:10,390
And this is creating just a global sense
559
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:11,390
of outrage.
560
00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:14,850
I'm wondering if it could backfire.
561
00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:18,310
And in his own way, this sort of
562
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:22,070
martyrdom of Paul Watson being the best thing
563
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:23,810
that ever happened to the whales.
564
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:27,310
I mean, it's not in the news day
565
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:28,270
in and day out.
566
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:31,770
Unfortunately, the news media doesn't cover these issues.
567
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:34,650
Our seas are dying, as he has pointed
568
00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:34,950
out.
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00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:36,870
The most important thing we can do is
570
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:37,770
preserve our seas.
571
00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,270
When the oceans go, we go.
572
00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:43,190
Could this wake people up, given that so
573
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:47,790
many famous people, Jane Goodall has spoken out,
574
00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:52,330
Rick O'Berry has spoken out, Pierce Brosnan,
575
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:54,870
007 has spoken out.
576
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:56,930
It's a lot of people.
577
00:23:57,470 --> 00:24:01,030
Could this have an unintended effect and backfire
578
00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:02,850
on the Japanese, Omar?
579
00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:09,110
Well, look, Paul often told me that what
580
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:12,770
we do, we don't do for anyone else.
581
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:13,470
We don't do it for humans.
582
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:14,410
We do it for the whales.
583
00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:15,350
We do it for the clients.
584
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:17,210
And the clients is the ocean, the seals,
585
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:18,510
the dolphins, the whales.
586
00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:21,310
So his view would probably be along the
587
00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:24,010
lines of, look, I'm sitting in here and
588
00:24:24,010 --> 00:24:25,750
this has turned in itself a campaign.
589
00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:28,610
This campaign of him being inside prison now
590
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:32,550
has brought more awareness back into whaling than
591
00:24:32,550 --> 00:24:35,250
it may have done if we had campaigned
592
00:24:35,250 --> 00:24:37,430
with the ship over in the Pacific Ocean,
593
00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:38,250
engaging Japan.
594
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:41,050
So he views this as always in a
595
00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:41,890
positive light.
596
00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:45,830
And he feels that this has brought attention
597
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:49,250
to an issue which was sort of dying
598
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:50,410
down the last few years.
599
00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:54,530
And some people said, oh, Paul is an
600
00:24:54,530 --> 00:24:55,710
elderly statesman now.
601
00:24:55,790 --> 00:24:56,810
He shouldn't be out there.
602
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:59,430
And perhaps it's his twilight.
603
00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:01,410
Well, we discovered it's not his twilight years
604
00:25:01,410 --> 00:25:01,690
at all.
605
00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:03,090
He's bigger than ever.
606
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:04,730
He's more important than ever.
607
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:08,170
And as much as it could backfire, we've
608
00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:10,870
seen the European Parliament discuss the possible extradition
609
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:12,510
of Paul and the majority are against it.
610
00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:14,910
We had just 21 ministers of parliament in
611
00:25:14,910 --> 00:25:17,470
the Australian parliament last week sign a letter
612
00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:19,650
to the Danish prime minister advocating for Paul's
613
00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:20,050
release.
614
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:24,710
The Great Escape Festival just withdrew from the
615
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:28,830
Faroe Islands recently in protest and Paul's just
616
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:31,370
been given the Perfect World Foundation Award for
617
00:25:31,370 --> 00:25:31,950
2025.
618
00:25:32,670 --> 00:25:35,370
So in his view, that this has brought
619
00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:36,650
the issue back into the light.
620
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:40,630
And we often get people to sign waivers
621
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:41,690
when they join our crew.
622
00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:44,150
If you join with us, the Captain Paul
623
00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:47,650
Watson Foundation, are you prepared to die for
624
00:25:47,650 --> 00:25:48,150
a whale?
625
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:50,550
Because that's essentially what people volunteer for.
626
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:52,930
And if they're not, then they shouldn't join
627
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:53,390
our crew.
628
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:56,270
So Paul's leading that front and centre and
629
00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:57,710
saying to the world, well, look, I'm in
630
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:59,610
here for a reason.
631
00:26:00,170 --> 00:26:01,390
I shouldn't be here.
632
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:03,850
The world should do something about it, but
633
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:04,750
I'm here for a reason.
634
00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:08,170
So he doesn't think past that.
635
00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:11,330
He's there for a reason, for the position
636
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:12,770
he stands for.
637
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:16,010
And it's up to us as a society
638
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:18,610
to do something about it and react in
639
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:19,170
the right way.
640
00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:21,530
Now, whether we win against Japan in this
641
00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:23,490
case, we don't know, but it doesn't stop
642
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:23,890
us trying.
643
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:25,650
And we think you've got to do something
644
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:26,150
anyway.
645
00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:29,230
You can't just sit back and compromise your
646
00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:30,990
views if it gets hard.
647
00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:32,430
Nothing worth doing is easy.
648
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:34,270
And Paul will be the first to say
649
00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:34,490
that.
650
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:36,890
And so, hat off to the guy.
651
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:39,730
He's sitting there, he's doing, he's holding this
652
00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:42,350
entire campaign on his shoulders, everything.
653
00:26:43,050 --> 00:26:44,910
So the least we can do is try
654
00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:45,530
to get him out.
655
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:47,810
And that's what we're going to continue to
656
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:48,030
do.
657
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:52,630
Well, anybody who's ever seen whale wars should
658
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:55,030
know that this is not the type of
659
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,610
guy to crumble and go, oh, I give
660
00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:57,970
up.
661
00:26:58,610 --> 00:27:01,310
I mean, he is one of the fiercest
662
00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:01,910
activists.
663
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:04,510
And again, for those who might say, well,
664
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:07,570
you know, he's fighting them on the high
665
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:07,830
seas.
666
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:10,250
Yeah, because that's the only thing that's going
667
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:11,130
to save these whales.
668
00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:13,650
It's not asking nicely.
669
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:15,230
Everybody's asked nicely.
670
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:18,190
If writing letters and asking nicely and being
671
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:20,550
polite would save the whales, we wouldn't be
672
00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:21,270
here right now.
673
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:24,890
If several people are saying that they've signed,
674
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:27,150
I'm urging everybody to do what I did,
675
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:27,550
sign.
676
00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:28,670
It takes five seconds.
677
00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:32,010
Just go to the paulwatsonfoundation.org.
678
00:27:32,290 --> 00:27:33,630
Let us know if you've signed.
679
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:36,770
And just put it on social media.
680
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:40,150
paulwatsonfoundation.org, it's right there.
681
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:40,910
You can't miss it.
682
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:43,150
It just says, sign the petition, click.
683
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:44,330
You can also donate.
684
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,590
So people are saying, Pete, please post the
685
00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:46,830
link.
686
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:48,090
There it is, right there.
687
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:52,130
The link is paulwatsonfoundation.org.
688
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,810
It is a website, paulwatsonfoundation.org.
689
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:58,930
By the way, it has extraordinary articles and
690
00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:00,650
a slew of videos about this.
691
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:05,010
Antonio Diaz says, I signed, Ilofar has signed.
692
00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:08,350
Yes, Tiffany Brunelli has signed.
693
00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:13,010
So please sign, that's super, super important.
694
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:17,190
And people are saying, well, he's 73 years
695
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,870
old, but that's young for a vegan.
696
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:22,190
I just wonder how they're dealing with that
697
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:22,730
as well.
698
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:26,250
I mean, just the food that he might,
699
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:28,650
I've heard many stories of people who are
700
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:31,610
plant-based being in prison and behind bars
701
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:34,990
and basically, oh, here, you want vegan food?
702
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:37,570
Here's a roll and that's it.
703
00:28:37,670 --> 00:28:40,430
Or here's a piece of toast and that's
704
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:40,650
it.
705
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:44,750
And they're not even given sustenance, as it
706
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:45,030
were.
707
00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:48,010
I mean, on that basic physical level, is
708
00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:48,770
he holding up?
709
00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:52,070
Yeah, so in this particular prison, which again
710
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:54,810
is why we were all things considered, happy
711
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:57,590
we was in that particular prison, was they
712
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:59,510
get to go shopping on a Wednesday once
713
00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:02,190
a week in a little internal shop and
714
00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,710
he gets to pick out his own food.
715
00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:05,070
So he gets to cook for himself in
716
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:07,870
a communal kitchen, two to three times a
717
00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:09,910
day, although he's just going for breakfast and
718
00:29:09,910 --> 00:29:10,690
dinner at the moment.
719
00:29:11,030 --> 00:29:13,410
And he has lost weight, but he's eating
720
00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,590
vegan food there and he's happy to prepare
721
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:16,190
his own food.
722
00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:18,430
So that's one of the pros, I guess.
723
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,190
But look, the place is very remote.
724
00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,130
It's like going to the moon.
725
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:25,650
I mean, Newt Airport itself had its international
726
00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:27,550
airport status revoked recently.
727
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:29,510
You know, you got to go there on
728
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:30,210
a dash eight.
729
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:31,350
It's complicated.
730
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:33,010
There's always weather problems.
731
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:35,190
It's a very expensive place to go.
732
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:37,690
So he's very isolated there.
733
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:40,870
So we try to keep a revolving door
734
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:42,830
of people heading his way there.
735
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:45,610
You know, and also Seaship of France, which
736
00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:48,710
is one of the original Seaship entities that
737
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:50,470
Paul is still part of here.
738
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:54,810
They've been first and foremost, front and centre
739
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:56,530
in the defence of Paul as well.
740
00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:59,870
And France has been a great advocate for
741
00:29:59,870 --> 00:30:02,830
that with President Macron pushing, as you said,
742
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:03,610
for his release.
743
00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:08,810
Plus Paul's applied for political asylum and naturalisation
744
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:09,130
now.
745
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:10,510
So we'll see how that goes and we
746
00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:12,130
hope that goes in a positive direction.
747
00:30:12,490 --> 00:30:13,750
So all these things add up pressure, but
748
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:16,290
he is isolated, but he's fine.
749
00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:18,330
He is eating the food, the right food,
750
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:20,510
but you know, the communication is difficult.
751
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:22,810
The place is difficult and he shouldn't be
752
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:23,110
there.
753
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:26,890
And I think over 120 days, he then
754
00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:31,390
exceeds his prior detention time in the past.
755
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:33,570
And after that, he'll be longer in jail
756
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:34,890
than any other time in his life.
757
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:38,430
So all for an allegation of a country
758
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:43,510
for essentially finable offences in any other jurisdiction.
759
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:45,010
I mean, this is crazy.
760
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:46,390
I mean, here you've got Interpol, right?
761
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:48,690
Interpol's a system that has a constitution.
762
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:50,470
If you look into it, it's not supposed
763
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:54,010
to be used for political detention, but quite
764
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:55,970
a few people on the Interpol Red List
765
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:59,250
are there for political persecution and he's one
766
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:59,490
of them.
767
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:01,610
And so I think Interpol has questions to
768
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:05,450
answer as well, as well as how this
769
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:07,790
happened, as well as, you know, Japan answering
770
00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:09,650
questions, but Japan won't answer any questions, but
771
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:11,830
certainly we're putting pressure on the Danish to
772
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,030
explain themselves.
773
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:16,070
So, you know, if you're a Denmark citizen,
774
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:18,290
you know, write to your local ministers and
775
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:19,250
ask why is he held.
776
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:21,890
If you're obviously in France as well, you
777
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:24,350
can also try to get hold of Interpol
778
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,490
because Interpol's based in France.
779
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:27,530
So we're following that up ourselves as well.
780
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:30,710
I have to say, I was completely ignorant
781
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:33,350
of Greenland until about an hour and a
782
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,030
half ago when I started to say to
783
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:36,510
myself, you know what, I should look up
784
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:38,770
Greenland and see where it is and there
785
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:39,110
it is.
786
00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:41,890
I was stunned by how big Greenland is.
787
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:43,490
I mean, look at the United States on
788
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:45,010
the left and Europe on the right.
789
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:49,790
So I found out that Greenland is the
790
00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:52,650
largest island in the world, by the way.
791
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:57,150
It's a self-governing territory of Denmark, the
792
00:31:57,150 --> 00:32:00,550
12th largest country in the world by size,
793
00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:03,590
almost four times the size of France and
794
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:07,590
slightly more than three times the United States
795
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:08,930
state of Texas.
796
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:12,310
So three times the size of Texas.
797
00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:16,790
I mean, it's massive, but it's very sparsely
798
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:17,670
populated.
799
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:23,650
In 2015, it was just like 57,000
800
00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:26,190
people or something really crazy small.
801
00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:30,070
So I'm wondering if the politics of this
802
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:33,250
particular region played into it.
803
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:40,710
I do know that politicians sometimes use the
804
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:44,050
indigenous culture as an excuse for whaling.
805
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,530
And that does not mean the indigenous people
806
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:48,450
themselves are saying, go out and do this.
807
00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:52,390
It means that cynical politicians turn around and
808
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:55,750
they use whatever levers they can to justify
809
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:57,850
and follow the money.
810
00:32:58,330 --> 00:33:00,030
Can you weigh in on that, Omar?
811
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:04,190
Yeah, so when he was originally arrested, we
812
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:07,310
had a discussion amongst ourselves on, should we
813
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,870
focus the pressure on Greenland or the Danes?
814
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:12,970
And we decided in the end, it was
815
00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:16,170
the Danish government that we had to apply
816
00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:19,810
pressure on, mostly because the prosecutor and the
817
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:22,590
14 federal police came from Denmark.
818
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,910
And the Greenlandic people themselves, when we arrived,
819
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:27,950
were very friendly and have been continuously being
820
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:28,270
friendly.
821
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:32,750
So, and certainly I'll give you one little
822
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,470
bit of story that Paul's inside and initially
823
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:38,630
we were quite concerned that with the indigenous
824
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:42,070
and sort of anti-whaling views Paul would
825
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,210
have, that he might be seen as public
826
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:45,270
enemy number one inside.
827
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:46,790
So we were quite concerned, but as it
828
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:49,130
turns out, they actually have heard of him
829
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:52,230
and he's the most well-recognised person and
830
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:53,890
celebrity that they've ever had in there.
831
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:56,130
And that we actually got them copies of
832
00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:57,570
Wild Wars and they all started watching it.
833
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:59,750
And so Paul walks around inside and actually
834
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:02,610
gets a lot of people shouting out that
835
00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:03,370
they support him.
836
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:05,250
So even though they can't speak in English
837
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:06,430
or anything else, they support him.
838
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:11,310
So I don't think, I think Greenland's moving
839
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:11,590
on.
840
00:34:11,949 --> 00:34:13,590
When I was there, what I didn't notice
841
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,130
was an enormous amounts of construction work going
842
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:16,409
on.
843
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:18,130
They're even building a new airport.
844
00:34:19,050 --> 00:34:20,690
So I think, you know, with the event
845
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:22,690
of climate change, which we all know is
846
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:27,510
happening, I think there is possibly policies behind
847
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:29,590
the scenes that we can't quite see on
848
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:33,030
the front end that are mostly economic and
849
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,409
based, perhaps with the Japanese, as I mentioned,
850
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:39,389
were there with trade agreements being signed back
851
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:40,670
in December, 2023.
852
00:34:40,670 --> 00:34:43,409
So there's definitely something going on.
853
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:47,330
And it was particularly peculiar, even though the
854
00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:51,150
prosecutor was from Copenhagen, the judge himself, who's
855
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:53,790
making the current rules to remand Paul is
856
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:55,030
a local judge.
857
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:58,690
And each time Paul's been remanded longer, we
858
00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:00,870
have immediately appealed to the high court, which
859
00:35:00,870 --> 00:35:04,050
is done via email in Greenland, oddly enough.
860
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,370
And each time they've upheld the court's decision
861
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:07,590
to keep him in remand.
862
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:09,130
Now that's on Greenland.
863
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:11,970
So why is that judge holding Paul?
864
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:15,190
Why is that judge not allowing us to
865
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:17,610
look at the evidence from our side, which
866
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:20,670
instantly exonerates Paul, instantly.
867
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:23,450
Like you just can't go, okay, well, he
868
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:24,170
didn't throw it.
869
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:25,690
And even his crew member who threw it
870
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:26,650
didn't hit anybody.
871
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:28,390
So that's the allegation.
872
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:29,150
There's not enough evidence.
873
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:31,830
What's the bottom line allegation that he threw?
874
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:34,750
The bottom line allegation is that he threw
875
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:37,470
some kind of firebomb or somebody threw a
876
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:40,950
- So another crew member called Pete Bethune,
877
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:44,590
who had his ship rammed and sunk called
878
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:47,050
the Yardigill in one of the first encounters
879
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:50,370
back in 2010, wanted to present an invoice
880
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:56,670
essentially to the Japanese vessel, that captain, for
881
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:59,130
his $2 million vessel that had been rammed
882
00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:02,070
and sunk by the Japanese whaling vessel at
883
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:02,430
the time.
884
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:04,530
They were out of, the Yardigill was out
885
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:04,950
of fuel.
886
00:36:05,090 --> 00:36:06,030
It was just sitting idle.
887
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:10,130
And the Japanese vessel came from the bow
888
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:12,310
and came up and just basically ran straight
889
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:13,670
through it and cut it in half and
890
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:14,910
then just drove off.
891
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:16,710
And there was no repercussions for the Japanese
892
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:17,030
at all.
893
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:21,950
Incidentally, a New Zealand investigation later released that
894
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:24,050
the Japanese were at fault, but that aside.
895
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:27,770
So that was the reason why Pete Bethune
896
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:31,170
wanted to jump on board on the whaling
897
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:32,990
vessel to present an invoice to the captain
898
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:34,690
and say, hey, look, you've damaged my vessel.
899
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:38,430
Paul famously said on a Whale Wars episode
900
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:40,010
that he recommended you don't do that.
901
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,550
And you should go back to Australia to
902
00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:43,470
do media about his vessel being run over
903
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,230
because that would probably garner more attention.
904
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:47,550
But Pete Bethune decided to go anyway.
905
00:36:48,090 --> 00:36:50,770
So in this particular moment, so there's a
906
00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:53,370
number of moments that matter.
907
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:55,110
So in this particular case, he went over
908
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:59,030
there, they cut, he cut the net, which
909
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:02,590
is the property damage allegation, jumped on board.
910
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:03,970
Yeah, jumped on board.
911
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:07,410
Which was the trespass allegation.
912
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:09,810
And then he presented the invoice to the
913
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:10,010
captain.
914
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:11,790
Of course, they took him back to Japan.
915
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:14,670
And that's when he was held for a
916
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:17,730
number of months before he eventually, so under
917
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:21,010
the Japanese justice system, he was interrogated daily.
918
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:23,450
He was basically, you know- And this
919
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:24,970
is not Watson.
920
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:26,010
This is somebody else.
921
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:26,450
This is, that's right.
922
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:29,150
This is one of the, you know, the
923
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:31,730
Pete Bethune who was, well, he was a
924
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:32,810
captain of his own vessel.
925
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:34,770
So he worked with us at the time,
926
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:36,530
but he was a captain of his own
927
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:38,210
vessel that was run over by the Japanese.
928
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:40,150
He wanted to present the Japanese with an
929
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:40,450
invoice.
930
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:41,170
He did so.
931
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:43,090
And then he got hauled back to Japan
932
00:37:43,090 --> 00:37:44,310
to face these charges.
933
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:46,610
Now, what they made him do after some
934
00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:49,350
months is they got him to sign a
935
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,510
affidavit blaming Paul Frodell.
936
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:54,610
Then that's where you have the conspiracy aspect.
937
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:57,430
And he signed that to get out of
938
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:57,530
there.
939
00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:59,590
Now he since signed an affidavit after he
940
00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:01,290
got out saying that he was forced to
941
00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:03,070
sign that inside so he can get out
942
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:05,290
because he, you know, he wasn't, he was
943
00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:06,470
just going to be stuck there forever.
944
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:10,630
And so that's part of it.
945
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:14,090
And that's where the trespass, the property damage,
946
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:16,990
and those particular allegations, which are by the
947
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:21,650
way, all just finable offences under Japanese, Greenlandic,
948
00:38:21,730 --> 00:38:22,390
and Danish law.
949
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:22,750
Okay.
950
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:25,870
Then on another time, just before Pete jumped
951
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:28,910
on board the vessel, he was harassing the
952
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:33,130
whalers with a potato spud gun, which essentially
953
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:34,990
shot out some stink bombs.
954
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:37,510
And the stink bomb hit the side of
955
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:41,810
the vessel one time, broke apart, and the
956
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:45,410
Japanese were saying, well, that's what caused an
957
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:46,950
injury to one of the crew members.
958
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:47,970
And they got a little bit of a
959
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:48,950
rash under their eye.
960
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:51,350
And that's what they regarded as the more
961
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,010
serious allegation of assault.
962
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:54,630
Now, here's the thing.
963
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:56,470
We've got footage, and they've got footage of
964
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:57,110
that incident.
965
00:38:57,790 --> 00:39:00,170
And what we see is the Japanese who
966
00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:02,990
had pepper spray guns at the time, spraying
967
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:05,350
into the wind, which then backfired and went
968
00:39:05,350 --> 00:39:07,770
into their face, which is what caused the
969
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:08,570
damage, if any.
970
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:11,350
And then when Pete Bethune launched his spud
971
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:13,450
gun, it hit a part of the vessel
972
00:39:13,450 --> 00:39:14,710
that there was no one at.
973
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:18,690
And that's the crunch of the allegation that
974
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:21,150
they say someone was there, they got injured.
975
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,890
That's years ago, years ago.
976
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:24,350
Yeah, yeah.
977
00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:28,130
And we say that- How long ago
978
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:28,650
did all this happen?
979
00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:30,690
Well, this is all back in 2010.
980
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:31,910
2010?
981
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:33,970
I mean, this is- Yeah, 14 years.
982
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,990
This is so crazy, so crazy.
983
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,370
Michael Fujimori says, as a Japanese American, I'm
984
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:43,570
disgusted and ashamed by Japan's attempts to destroy
985
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:45,070
Paul Watson.
986
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:47,770
Wanna go back to Annie Abram.
987
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:54,350
Annie, you're very, very moved by what's happening
988
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:57,430
to Captain Paul Watson.
989
00:39:57,810 --> 00:40:02,530
If you could speak to him and say
990
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:07,590
anything, what exactly would you say to Captain
991
00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:08,170
Paul Watson?
992
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,090
Oh, that's hard.
993
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:13,470
There's so much I would love to say.
994
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:16,550
I would say, thank you so much for
995
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:19,490
dedicating 50 years of your life.
996
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:23,630
When you've had your journalism career and you
997
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:27,810
saw the urgency in our ocean life, what's
998
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:32,250
happening, which in return will destroy our planet
999
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:35,630
survivor, the survival ability.
1000
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:38,530
So thank you for being our hero.
1001
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:42,730
Thank you for dedicating your life, 50 years
1002
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:43,610
of your life.
1003
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:45,650
You need to be honoured.
1004
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:48,810
And I appreciate you endlessly.
1005
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,690
We owe you our life, our oxygen.
1006
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:54,910
55% of our oxygen comes from the
1007
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:55,230
ocean.
1008
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:57,950
He's been protecting this by protecting the whales.
1009
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:00,430
And I'm ashamed to say, I recently learned
1010
00:41:00,430 --> 00:41:06,250
about the whales, that each whale contains 1
1011
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:11,330
,500 mature tree carbon, each one whale.
1012
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:12,690
This is a forest.
1013
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,650
We're talking about Amazon, that people break hell
1014
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:16,170
for it.
1015
00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:20,250
We're talking about each whale, 1,500 mature
1016
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:22,230
tree carbon sequester.
1017
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,750
And their poo and pee is food for
1018
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,010
the phytoplankton, sea moss and seaweed.
1019
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:30,630
Phytoplankton is what we need for the oxygen,
1020
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:31,790
comes from the ocean.
1021
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:36,750
And it's amazing, amazing how much he's been
1022
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:37,050
doing.
1023
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:38,470
Can't thank him enough.
1024
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:38,870
Thank you.
1025
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:39,950
Thank you.
1026
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:42,870
And let me ask you, Omar, to that
1027
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:47,190
point, how important are the whales to our
1028
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:48,250
survivability?
1029
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:51,990
Now, I personally believe whales are entitled to
1030
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:55,750
their lives, and it doesn't matter what they
1031
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:59,490
provide in terms of carbon capture or whatever.
1032
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:01,970
These are sentient beings who have a right
1033
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:02,930
to live in our ocean.
1034
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:06,110
And we have, as a species, declared war
1035
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:06,570
on them.
1036
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:11,070
And thank God, most countries have stopped killing
1037
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:11,710
the whales.
1038
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:16,570
But to Annie's point, for those who may
1039
00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:19,810
not be motivated by compassion, why should we
1040
00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:20,210
care?
1041
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:24,510
Well, if you'd like to breathe air, you
1042
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:25,070
should care.
1043
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:28,230
Essentially, it's the ocean that provides the oxygen
1044
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:30,130
we breathe, more than anything else.
1045
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:33,130
A healthy ocean and the biodiversity that goes
1046
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:34,990
with it, which includes whales, which are the
1047
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:35,830
farmers of the sea.
1048
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:38,930
They poop out a lot of poo that
1049
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,090
goes down with a lot of iron content,
1050
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:43,410
the phytoplanktons and the krill, everything eats all
1051
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:44,790
that, and then it goes in a circular
1052
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:48,130
fashion and creates the oxygen we breathe.
1053
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:53,110
In fact, more or less more recently, if
1054
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:54,870
we didn't have whaling as an issue, which
1055
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:57,630
Paul wants to finish in his lifetime, wants
1056
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:59,310
to make sure it goes away in his
1057
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,170
lifetime, the next sort of things we're gonna
1058
00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:03,970
be looking at is making sure krill and
1059
00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:07,050
phytoplankton are protected in the oceans, because that
1060
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:10,070
is really the lifeline to our species.
1061
00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:13,090
I mean, you can like whales or not
1062
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:14,970
like whales, but we all like air to
1063
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:15,190
breathe.
1064
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:17,690
So essentially, it's part of our lungs.
1065
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:20,790
The whales are the farmers of the sea
1066
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:24,210
that protect and farm oxygen for us to
1067
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:24,970
live as a species.
1068
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:27,030
Now, if you can't find that important enough,
1069
00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:28,910
well, we're doomed.
1070
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:32,770
So essentially, that's my argument that we need
1071
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:36,170
to make sure that we have oxygen to
1072
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:37,530
breathe, and they are the ones that filter
1073
00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:37,830
it out.
1074
00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:40,250
Plus, as you mentioned earlier on, they're carbon
1075
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:41,130
sequesters as well.
1076
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:43,690
How are the whales doing?
1077
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:48,530
Obviously, they were hunted for centuries, used for
1078
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:50,750
fuel, used for...
1079
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:52,490
At one point, humans ate them.
1080
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:56,170
That's no longer the case, almost entirely eliminated,
1081
00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:01,570
which makes this Japanese whaling campaign so idiotic,
1082
00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:02,290
let's just say.
1083
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,930
But how are the whales doing?
1084
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,510
Are they on the verge of extinction?
1085
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:12,830
Does it depend on which species of whale?
1086
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:16,630
Can you give us the, yeah, the update
1087
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:17,090
on that?
1088
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,950
Yeah, the indication is that whale populations have
1089
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:21,950
recovered somewhat, somewhat.
1090
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:24,930
They're certainly not at their all-time highs
1091
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:27,550
before whaling started, but they've recovered.
1092
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:29,270
I mean, certainly, yeah, there's more fin whales
1093
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:30,090
up north now.
1094
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:33,250
There's more whales in the Antarctica, which of
1095
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:35,230
course is going to be the Japanese argument
1096
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:36,350
if they do go down there.
1097
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:38,190
There's plenty more whales down there.
1098
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:40,830
So they're recovering, but at the same time,
1099
00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:43,010
we've got so many other mixtures of complexities
1100
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:45,690
adding to this now, you know, plastics in
1101
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:46,090
the ocean.
1102
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:48,290
And what they're discovering is, is whales have
1103
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:49,790
digested more plastics than ever.
1104
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:52,010
And that has an effect that we're not
1105
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:52,510
sure about.
1106
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,390
It's probably like the equivalency of, you know,
1107
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:57,130
people starting to figure out in the 60s
1108
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:59,050
and 70s that maybe smoking is not bad
1109
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:59,430
for you.
1110
00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:01,170
But then later on, we discover it was
1111
00:45:01,170 --> 00:45:02,970
catastrophic for cancer problems.
1112
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:05,290
While we think that plastics in the oceans
1113
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,910
affecting a growing whale population, you know, maybe
1114
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:10,670
down the road going to cause us problems
1115
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:12,030
we can't even foresee yet.
1116
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:15,450
So there's, you know, and there's also the
1117
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:17,270
fact that, you know, the fish stocks are
1118
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:18,450
still being depleted.
1119
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:21,730
So the imbalance of things is the problem.
1120
00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:24,450
So whale populations might be on the recovery
1121
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:26,290
in comparison to before whaling started.
1122
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:28,230
But when you add plastics and you add
1123
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:31,850
whale stocks, are being depleted still, which means
1124
00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:33,510
the whales have less to eat, which means
1125
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:36,110
the whale population will hit a ceiling quicker
1126
00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:38,430
on population levels than they would have say,
1127
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:39,930
a couple of hundred years ago.
1128
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,830
These other mitigating circumstances that may stop whale
1129
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:45,530
populations recovering totally.
1130
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:50,030
So while there's signs of positivity, there's also
1131
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:52,130
a lot of red flags ahead, I think
1132
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:53,610
that we have to keep an eye on.
1133
00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:57,230
So again, for those joining us, we're talking
1134
00:45:57,230 --> 00:46:00,750
to Omar Todd, the head of the Paul
1135
00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:03,550
Watson Foundation, who's joining us live from London
1136
00:46:03,550 --> 00:46:07,170
while we're here in Los Angeles about the
1137
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,130
imprisonment of Captain Paul Watson.
1138
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:14,030
Now he has asked France for asylum.
1139
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:18,290
He wrote a letter directly to President Macron.
1140
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:20,290
What's happening with that?
1141
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:22,550
I know there's protests in France.
1142
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:24,030
There's also protests in Belgium.
1143
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,610
Is there any chance that President Macron of
1144
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:28,770
France will grant that asylum?
1145
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:33,030
Well, one of the ministers on television a
1146
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:34,970
couple of days ago, I think it was
1147
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:35,990
a minister of immigration.
1148
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:37,530
I think it was that.
1149
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:40,830
He actually said he wouldn't be positive if
1150
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:42,230
Paul got naturalisation.
1151
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:45,650
So we think it's a strong possibility.
1152
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:49,950
We hope that's the case.
1153
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:51,490
We don't know the answer yet.
1154
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:55,490
Lamia Somali, the president of the ship of
1155
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:56,730
France, has been heading that up.
1156
00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:01,330
They've pulled out all the stops in France
1157
00:47:01,330 --> 00:47:02,210
to get Paul released.
1158
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:03,970
They've used diplomats.
1159
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:07,770
They had the former diplomat to Denmark involved
1160
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:08,830
on the highest level.
1161
00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:13,410
They've been petitioning Denmark continuously from all the
1162
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:14,270
different departments.
1163
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:18,270
So the pressure is very high from France.
1164
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:22,310
And Macron's also made positive statements about Paul's
1165
00:47:22,310 --> 00:47:22,830
situation.
1166
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:24,330
So fingers crossed.
1167
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:27,810
His family's currently resigning in France as well.
1168
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:30,190
So that'd be a perfect place for him
1169
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:31,050
to return to.
1170
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:36,470
And in France, Paul's very well respected.
1171
00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:38,670
I mean, he's well known.
1172
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:40,810
He's done a lot of TV appearances there.
1173
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:44,130
And the French have got the second largest
1174
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:46,570
jurisdiction of ocean management in the world.
1175
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:51,310
So there's some big positives, Paul going to
1176
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:51,550
France.
1177
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:54,210
But of course, he's obviously a US and
1178
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:55,350
Canadian citizen too.
1179
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:59,250
So we hope it will lead to something,
1180
00:47:59,550 --> 00:48:00,770
but we don't know yet.
1181
00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:03,990
And we are eagerly, eagerly waiting for an
1182
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:04,650
answer on that.
1183
00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:07,850
Here's what James Cameron, the famed film director,
1184
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:08,430
has to say.
1185
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:10,310
The people who defend our life support system
1186
00:48:10,310 --> 00:48:11,970
should be celebrated, not arrested.
1187
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:15,190
The legendary activist, Captain Paul Watson, has stood
1188
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:16,650
up for the oceans for decades.
1189
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:19,510
He goes where no one else will to
1190
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:22,510
enforce international conservation law and protect the sea
1191
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:25,250
life that holds our planet in balance.
1192
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:28,370
Captain Watson was arrested by Danish authorities.
1193
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:30,390
This was posted a while ago in Greenland,
1194
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:32,330
where he waits a decision on whether he
1195
00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:34,710
is extradited to Japan for sentencing.
1196
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,030
I'm joining the international community and calling on
1197
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:41,270
Denmark to issue his immediate release.
1198
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:49,550
So what is Denmark doing about the overwhelming
1199
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:54,010
international disgust over their situation?
1200
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:55,890
There's been protests in LA.
1201
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:57,310
There's been protests in Paris.
1202
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:58,990
There's been protests in Belgium.
1203
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:03,030
Famous people like James Cameron and Dr. Jane
1204
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:07,370
Goodall and Piers Brosnan and the leaders of
1205
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:10,430
rock bands, the lead singers, I mean, people
1206
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:11,990
are outraged.
1207
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:16,370
I don't understand why Denmark, which I think
1208
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,370
values its reputation.
1209
00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:21,190
I mean, just, I've been to Denmark and
1210
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:23,910
their recycling will blow your mind.
1211
00:49:24,070 --> 00:49:27,150
I wanted to take photos of how incredible
1212
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:30,690
their recycling process was to bring back here
1213
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:32,650
and tell people, let's get with it, people
1214
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:33,590
on the recycling.
1215
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:37,770
It seems like Denmark is so progressive.
1216
00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:40,710
It strikes me as bizarre that they are
1217
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:42,010
taking this stance.
1218
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:44,050
I don't, I still don't quite get it.
1219
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:46,310
Omar, is there something I'm missing?
1220
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:51,830
No, we've had countless discussions amongst ourselves on
1221
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:52,910
the optics of this.
1222
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:55,170
The optics is very bad for Denmark.
1223
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:56,930
The longer they hold him, the worse it
1224
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:57,450
looks for them.
1225
00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:00,710
And the repercussions on their reputation is going
1226
00:50:00,710 --> 00:50:03,110
to catch up to them if they continue
1227
00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:03,650
to hold him.
1228
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:06,910
If they extradite him, that'll even be worse.
1229
00:50:07,350 --> 00:50:08,950
The best thing they can do to make
1230
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:11,170
this problem go away is to release him.
1231
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:13,970
And I am stunned that they haven't yet.
1232
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,770
I think it's, whoever's in charge, I think
1233
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:18,450
it's a poor decision.
1234
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:21,190
I mean, I watch, I see the President
1235
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:23,790
Met's Instagram account and you have a look
1236
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:24,310
at it, right?
1237
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:28,150
It's progressive, you know, she supports minority groups.
1238
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:30,150
She's very environmental and conscious.
1239
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:32,010
What are they thinking?
1240
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:34,690
And in Paul's essentially, in the hands of
1241
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:38,330
this young 30s plus year old minister of
1242
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:40,990
justice, his hands at the moment, who for
1243
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:43,230
whatever reason can't make his mind up, which
1244
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:45,210
should be a very, very easy decision to
1245
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:45,550
make.
1246
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:47,750
You know, they don't have to follow this
1247
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:48,570
extradition request.
1248
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:49,550
It is a request.
1249
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:50,370
It's not a demand.
1250
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:52,530
So why are they doing it?
1251
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:53,790
Good question.
1252
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:54,830
I wish I knew.
1253
00:50:55,750 --> 00:51:00,970
And again, they're siding with Japanese law against
1254
00:51:00,970 --> 00:51:05,370
international treaties that say that whaling is a
1255
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:06,210
big no-no.
1256
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:09,710
So that strikes me as really bizarre.
1257
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:13,990
And I keep seeing the phrase Faroe Islands
1258
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:14,770
pop up.
1259
00:51:14,970 --> 00:51:17,910
I want to confess, I'm not exactly sure
1260
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:19,450
where it fits in with this story.
1261
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:21,690
Can you give me the 30 second elevator
1262
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:22,390
on that?
1263
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:26,270
Well, the Faroe Islands are northwest of England.
1264
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:28,790
There are small group islands, one of the
1265
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:31,150
highest GDPs in Europe.
1266
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:34,110
They're a protectorate again, under the Danish government.
1267
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:35,850
So if you look on that map there,
1268
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:38,430
you can see England there.
1269
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:40,670
And there's this tiny little dot up north
1270
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:43,130
of England on the sort of northwest, just
1271
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:46,110
between Iceland and England.
1272
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:47,810
And that's the Faroe Islands.
1273
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:52,470
Beautiful islands, amazing territory in terms of views
1274
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:54,710
and, you know, cruises stop by there.
1275
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:56,690
Very modern society.
1276
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:59,390
But what they do all year round is
1277
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,170
they have this effectively a blood sport.
1278
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:04,810
They would argue it's for sussicence, you know,
1279
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:08,910
like an Indigenous sussicence for food, which is
1280
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:09,290
ridiculous.
1281
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:12,210
But they hear about some whales coming in,
1282
00:52:12,310 --> 00:52:13,450
you know, to the area.
1283
00:52:13,530 --> 00:52:14,810
And then they get these little boats and
1284
00:52:14,810 --> 00:52:17,530
herd these, you know, 100 to 60, 70,
1285
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:20,590
100, 200 whales into their ford.
1286
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:23,210
And then they basically all run down there
1287
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:29,190
and slaughter them with these corkscrew devices, knives,
1288
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:30,810
and they get the kids to come down.
1289
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:32,230
They all turn up in their brand new
1290
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:33,870
Mercedes and BMWs.
1291
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:36,210
And it's illegal to intervene.
1292
00:52:37,350 --> 00:52:41,850
Now, Sea Shepherd UK, Sea Shepherd France, and
1293
00:52:41,850 --> 00:52:44,050
now obviously the Captain Paul Watson Foundation, we've
1294
00:52:44,050 --> 00:52:46,130
been in opposition for that for years.
1295
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:49,690
And this is another really peculiar little country.
1296
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:53,030
And the Faroe Islands are controlled by Denmark?
1297
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:54,670
They are part of Denmark?
1298
00:52:55,810 --> 00:52:59,890
It's an independent, autonomous country again.
1299
00:52:59,890 --> 00:53:02,230
But if you go there with your...
1300
00:53:02,810 --> 00:53:05,210
Yes, if you go there to defend the
1301
00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:07,130
whales though, it's the Danish Navy that will
1302
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:08,030
turn up.
1303
00:53:08,090 --> 00:53:11,610
Okay, so that's why Denmark is doing it.
1304
00:53:12,110 --> 00:53:12,430
Correct.
1305
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:14,670
So you've got a Danish Navy defending whale
1306
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:16,510
killers that under Danish law is illegal.
1307
00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:19,990
And yet the Faroese get all the benefits
1308
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:22,250
of an EU country that's in the EU,
1309
00:53:22,350 --> 00:53:23,290
but not in the EU.
1310
00:53:23,490 --> 00:53:25,090
So they get all the subsidies to build
1311
00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:27,010
all their tunnels and infrastructure and stuff.
1312
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:28,410
It's a complete disaster.
1313
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:31,730
And it's optically looks very bad for Denmark.
1314
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:33,670
And I don't know why Denmark doesn't do
1315
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:35,190
something about it, all to keep a few
1316
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:37,310
people in their blood sport happy.
1317
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:38,690
And it's very few people.
1318
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:40,750
We can't point the finger at another country
1319
00:53:40,750 --> 00:53:43,470
when here in the United States, you're in
1320
00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:43,910
England.
1321
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:47,630
I know there's been a big reduction in
1322
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:49,890
hunting, but still there are fox hunts.
1323
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:52,870
And I see the news all the time
1324
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:55,090
on people, they're called hunt saboteurs.
1325
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:56,670
They try to stop the hunting.
1326
00:53:56,670 --> 00:54:01,090
And here we have, people love to use
1327
00:54:01,090 --> 00:54:05,590
guns and say, well, we don't want to
1328
00:54:05,590 --> 00:54:06,090
kill people.
1329
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:08,670
And we certainly don't, but it's okay to
1330
00:54:08,670 --> 00:54:09,410
kill animals.
1331
00:54:09,610 --> 00:54:11,970
And I don't believe that for a second.
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So before we point fingers at another country,
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we would have to look in the mirror
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and say, what's our country doing?
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And unfortunately, blood sport is part of the
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human condition at this point.
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Let's hope we evolve past it.
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This has been such a fascinating conversation.
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I want to say, Omar, I know you're
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a very busy man and you are working
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around the clock to free Captain Paul Watson.
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Please, if you are listening or watching, or
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both, go to the Paul Watson Foundation.
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It's paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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the petition to demand the immediate release of
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Paul Watson.
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I did it last night.
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It takes literally 45 seconds.
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who has organised several protests here in Los
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Angeles to speak up for Paul Watson outside
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Danish government offices here in Los Angeles.
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efforts.
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Everybody together, I think we can free Captain
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We have breaking news for you in the
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battle to free Captain Paul Watson.
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This 73-year-old anti-whaling hero is
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the subject of demonstrations around the world.
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People who are outraged that the whale war
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star and founder of Sea Shepherd, Captain Paul
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Watson, has been imprisoned in Greenland since July.
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This anti-whaling hero has applied for political
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asylum in France as he fights off attempts
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by Japan to get him extradited to that
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nation where he could end up behind bars
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for 15 years.
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And he just wants to stop the gruesome
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slaughter of whales that Japan is engaging in.
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Activists around the world are demanding that Watson
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be released immediately with protests from Los Angeles
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to France, outside Danish government offices.
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Watson was first arrested back in July when
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his ship docked in Greenland.
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And Greenland is a very, very large country,
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but very sparsely populated that's part of the
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kingdom of Denmark.
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Danish authorities are still deciding whether to extradite
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him.
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And Japan is one of the few nations
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that is still engaging in whaling.
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We are so excited to have with us
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today a man who is the CEO of
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the Paul Watson Foundation, Omar Todd.
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Omar, thank you for joining us live from
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London.
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What is the very latest when it comes
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to Paul Watson?
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How is he doing?
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Well, thanks for having me on your show.
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How is he doing?
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I think now he's getting a little fed
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up with the process of the slowness of
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the wheels of justice that aren't turning too
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quickly.
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He's resolute though, strong, determined, but at the
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same time, obviously he's missing his wife and
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two kids and his family in general.
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But at the same time, he's strong as
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I've ever seen.
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He's the most upbeat out of all of
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us, actually.
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He's a man of great courage, strength, but
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he is frustrated a little bit at the
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court system.
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I mean, we've had now six or so,
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or at least four or five now sort
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of adjournments and remands continuously.
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And, you know, so it's getting a bit
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frustrated now from the day he was sort
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of arrested back in the 21st of July.
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Here's what I don't understand.
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I don't understand the story at all.
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Why is Denmark siding with Japan?
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Japan is one of the few countries left
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on earth that is still engaging in whaling.
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And from what I read, there's actually an
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international treaty against whaling.
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So I don't get why Denmark is going
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along with what Japan wants.
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I would think Denmark, who's generally considered a
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very progressive country, big on environmentalism, big on
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sustainability.
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Why would they go along with this horrific
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plan by Japan to continue whaling?
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And apparently they have a brand new whaling
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ship that they wanna have some fun with
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by going out there and killing a bunch
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of whales.
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What's in it for Denmark?
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Well, that's a conundrum, isn't it?
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That's the paradox of it all.
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I mean, here you have an EU country.
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We're under EU regulations.
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Whaling is illegal.
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Backing up a extradition request of a country
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that's on the other side of the planet
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that continues to whale.
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couple of factors.
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One, we don't know the real mystery, but
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we can only speculate.
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We think it originated from the Faroe Islands,
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which is another small group of islands under
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the Danish rule nearby, who you may or
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may not have heard have had this Grindelup
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thing where they herd pilot whales into their
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little fords and kill them.
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notified the Danish authorities that Paul was on
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his way via the Northwest Passage to go
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to the Pacific Ocean with the vessel, the
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JPD, to interfere with the Japanese whaling there
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in one way or another.
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An operation was announced called Operation Kangimaru.
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or around in March, April, the Japanese basically
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reignited an old Interpol Red Notice against Paul,
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but only to the Danish government.
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Based on the information, the Faroese fed them.
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And when Paul landed on the JPD in
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Nuuk, Greenland, there was, I believe there was
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14 special forces that jumped on police officers
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that arrested Paul and took him away.
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So one has to ask, why would they
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do this?
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What's in it for Denmark?
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I mean, here you have a progressive prime
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minister.
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She's very pro-environment.
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Denmark's known to be a progressive, law-abiding
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society.
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And then you have this whaling issue.
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And optically, it does not do them any
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favours at all to continue this narrative with
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holding Paul on, which by the way, the
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charges, the alleged charges, which amount to malicious
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damage, looting, hooligism and assault as maltreatment, which
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he didn't actually do.
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One of the crew members who did these
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things, he's been labelled to be the conspiracy
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as part of the charges.
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And this has caused all this drama when
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the actual allegations themselves are minor fines in
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both Greenland, the Denmark, and even two out
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of three of them in Japan.
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So essentially, these charges and allegations are very
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flimsy in themselves.
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And then, so you've got Denmark applying this
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extradition request for charges that are really flimsy.
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And here it gets even worse, that when
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we go to these court sessions to discuss
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the extradition, that they won't allow the evidence
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that clearly shows from the TV show, Wow
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Wars, that these particular charges, particularly the aggravated
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assault aspect, which is the one they're really
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focussing on, it shows that where the stink
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bomb was thrown, where it hits the ship
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on the, I think it's this starboard side,
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there was no one there, but they won't
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accept that evidence in court, but they have
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allowed the prosecution to show their video evidence,
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but not the defence to show the evidence.
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So why are they doing it?
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Well, we think there must be some economic
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aspect to it that we don't know.
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Now, we believe the Japanese went to Greenland
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in December, 2023, and perhaps there was trade
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arrangements done there, obviously, and there's obviously the
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aspect where the Faroese are also a whaling
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nation under the Danish government.
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So it has to be that.
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It has to be the Faroese, and it
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has to be something going on in terms
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of trade.
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That's what our speculation is.
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So if you're upset about this, as so
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many people are, you can go to paulwatsonfoundation
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.org, and the gentleman we're speaking with live
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from London is the CEO of the paulwatsonfoundation
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.org, and you can sign the petition to
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demand the immediate release of Paul Watson.
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I did it yesterday.
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It takes literally 30 seconds.
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More than 200,000 people have signed this
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left, if you're watching, you can donate as
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And if you're just listening, you can still
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Go to paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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Once again, that's paulwatsonfoundation.org, and with the
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Bond, Pierce Brosnan, have taken photos of themselves
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We have Jane Goodall demanding, Dr. Jane Goodall,
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the famous primatologist, demanding the immediate release of
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Captain Paul Watson, saying, Captain Watson is simply
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taking action to try to prevent the inhumane
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practise of killing whales, which most countries have
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banned decades ago.
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In so doing, he's expressing the anger of
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thousands of people in many countries who absolutely
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support his moral courage in not only speaking
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out on behalf of the whales, but taking
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action.
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So many leaders have done this.
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I wanna go to Annie Abram, who has
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facilitated protests in Los Angeles.
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Tell us about the protests that you've helped
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organise, Annie, in support of Captain Paul Watson.
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Thank you, Jane, and hi, great to see
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you, Omar.
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Samaria, Sam Marie and Michael Fujimori, who had
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been, Sam Marie had been doing it up
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north, obviously, the protests, and we've been doing
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it here with Michael Fujimori and my little
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baby.
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We're going on doing these protests.
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We've done five protests so far, and each
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time there was an extension.
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The reason we're doing this, because this is
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a planetary issue.
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It's far more than just Paul Watson.
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Paul Watson is the hero who had been
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protecting our ocean or sea life.
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By protecting sea life, he also stood for
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the seals that have been killed, but the
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whales themselves, I've done research.
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I am shocked how amazing this man is
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protecting our planet by protecting the whales, which
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is protecting the sea.
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As he says, when the seas die, we
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all die.
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Absolutely, and you can see the bloody mess
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that it is involved in whaling from these
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photos provided by paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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It has no place in the civilised world,
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and you know what?
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Paul Watson, as we know from whale wars,
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yes, he is in your face, and the
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reason is that if you're not in their
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face, you can't stop whaling.
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Writing a nice letter to Japan and saying,
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hey, you don't eat whale meat very much
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anymore.
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There's really no purpose.
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We don't need to whale for fuel.
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There's no reason for it.
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There's no excuse for it.
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There's no justification for it.
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Have you tried to reach Japan itself?
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Because I know the people of Japan are
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compassionate.
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This is the government.
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This is follow the money.
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Why is Japan so hell bent on whaling
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in the 21st century when obviously it's something
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that belongs in the dustbin of history?
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Omar.
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Well, it comes down to jobs for retiring
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politicians, essentially.
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So less than 2% of the Japanese
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market that whaling whale meat is marketed to,
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no one eats it there anymore, particularly the
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young people who aren't interested.
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So why do they have whaling?
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Well, they built this $48 million Citation Death
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Star, the new factory ship, you know, and
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they have to justify it operating, you know,
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it's been built for long range.
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So we know at some stage that they
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probably will go down to the Southern Ocean
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again.
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And why, you know, and these, if you've
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actually been there, I've been there and I've
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been to where the actual whaling fishing villages
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originate from in a shimmery area and all
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this regional coastal area, the towns are dying
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there.
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And essentially there's only fishing left.
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And then you've got older legislators that are
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retiring.
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And what do they do once they retire?
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Well, as you can see with the current
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Japanese politics, there's a lot of scandals going
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on.
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They tend to essentially prop up industries that
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they've got an interest in or their forefathers
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or they're traditionally done, which is of course
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in this case whaling.
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And they go to these, they leave their
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offices and then go to these particular jobs
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and they get subsidised by the government and
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it continues to keep them obviously employed in
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one way or another.
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So that's essentially why we think they do
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it.
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I mean, at long-term, I don't think
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it's going to be something that's sustainable for
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them once the younger population gets older and
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realises what's going on.
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But for now they have vested heavily into
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it.
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And obviously once they heard Paul Watson was
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coming over with his vessels again, they did
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everything and they could to try to stop
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that.
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And that is obviously why they reignited this
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old warrant around the end of March, 2024.
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And they're going to try to keep him
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in remand for as long as possible.
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I mean, he's just hit over a hundred
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days now.
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So we've had a 15th of August, 4th
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of September, 2nd of October, 23rd of October,
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and the next one's on the 13th of
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November.
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They've run out of excuses to hold him.
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Under typical detention, you wouldn't even be held
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for these charges.
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So the law has not been applied here
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at all.
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The Japanese foreign minister about a week ago
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said this is all about the law, not
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about the issue of whaling.
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But that's absolute nonsense because you have the
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Japanese contravening the law, the International Court of
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Justice ruling, the Australian Federal Court of ruling.
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They're down there in the Southern Ocean, not
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even in their own waters whaling.
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And this is what Paul's being charged for
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when we shouldn't have been down there at
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the time.
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Well, at the stage of the Sea Shepherd
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vessels, it should have been other countries enforcing
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the rule of law down there, but they
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didn't.
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And Paul often says that if, well, we
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shouldn't be in these places, someone should be
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enforcing the laws that are being passed.
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And if they won't do it, we have
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to do it.
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And here he is having to defend himself
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for essentially following the law and pushing the
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Japanese issue into the light of day and
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being now arrested for something that they claim
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is against the law based in Japanese law
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on board their own vessel rather than the
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international law at the sea.
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That is so crazy.
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They're siding with Japanese law over international law
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when Paul Watson is defending the international law
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against whaling.
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Let's hear from Paul Watson himself.
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If I die in a Japanese prison, how
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will Denmark explain that?
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How will they rationalise their decision if that
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happens?
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The extermination of entire families from unborn foetuses
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to the largest whales in the pod, entire
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families wiped out.
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There are no survivors.
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It has no place in the 21st century.
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It has no place in the civilised world.
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International outrage has erupted over the arrest of
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Captain Paul Watson, famed anti-whaling activist who
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faces possible extradition from Greenland to Japan, and
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fears are growing for his safety.
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Because of people like Captain Paul Watson bringing
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awareness to the public about what's going on
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in the Faroe Islands.
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I'm hoping that all the people who didn't
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sign the petition will continue to support that
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cause.
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So are you able to talk to him?
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Have you, do you, how do you do
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it?
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Do you do it with FaceTime or phone?
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And how is he holding up?
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He's 73 years old being in jail in
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Greenland, which is a very remote place.
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Psychologically, physically, emotionally, this has gotta be hell
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for him.
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Yeah, look, initially when he was arrested, we
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had some comfort knowing that Nuuk itself is
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a fairly new facility.
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It's a prison of about 48 or so
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prisoners.
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In fact, you can watch an episode on
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Netflix and see what the prison's like itself.
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And we thought, well, okay, it's not too
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bad.
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They were reasonably friendly to begin with.
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We can go and visit him.
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We could call him on the telephone.
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And when I did go and visit him,
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eventually, it was, you could ring up in
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the morning and you book an employment, you
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go and see him, you got a couple
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of hours.
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But they do, when I went inside and
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had a look around, I was like, okay,
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this is real jail.
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This is not mucking around.
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He's really in proper high security remand facility.
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He's in a wing of about nine people
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of which none now speak English.
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So he's got no one to talk to
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at all.
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He's got, we have tried getting him a
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typewriter.
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We've tried getting him permission to get a
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computer that's obviously not connected to the internet
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just so we can type and write, but
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they've denied all of that.
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And so essentially he can get letters written
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and sent to him.
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And as time went on, what we discovered
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is that more and more, that became a
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little bit more restrictive.
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So we couldn't reach him anymore until about
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a couple of weeks ago.
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We now can no longer call him.
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Only he gets one call a week from
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his family and only the registered Danish lawyers
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can call him.
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So that's made it super awkward and difficult
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for us to have here on the outside
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to try to communicate with him.
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And I think that's because they have been
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overwhelmed by the support he has.
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And obviously maybe there's been talk behind the
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scenes, making things more difficult because they don't
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want him to continue to operate business as
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usual in terms of the foundation or other
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operations.
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And I think they're just trying to make
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things more difficult, isolating more.
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But yeah, so he's getting a little frustrated.
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We're a little frustrated.
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We were assured for some time now that
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against, under Danish law, this is very unusual
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because there's not many precedents involved, but he
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should have been out by now.
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I mean, they should have made a decision.
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So this is sort of how it works.
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So you get the receipt of Japan for
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the formal attrition request to the Danish government.
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And then the case is transferred from the
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Danish Ministry of Justice to the Greenlandic Police
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Authority.
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Then the police authority then investigate the provisions
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and the extradition request to recommend whether to
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exodite him or not.
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At this stage, we're waiting for that recommendation.
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And then the review from the Minister of
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Justice in Denmark will read the recommendation and
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decide or not whether to exodite Paul or
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not.
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If that happens, of course, we will immediately
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do an appeal.
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And then it goes to the Supreme Court
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in Denmark, and then it goes to the
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International Court of Human Rights, and it just
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continues from there.
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And that's gonna be a long time.
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But really, we are hoping that they come
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to their senses and just release him and
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basically ignore the Japanese request for extradition because
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it's essentially a death sentence for Paul.
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And they need to understand that.
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And I think that the world is trying
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to make them understand that.
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So, it is our hope he will be
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released on the 13th of November.
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But based on what we've seen so far,
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we just don't know.
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Yeah, and by the way, people who are
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signing the petition are posting on various social
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media that they're watching that they have signed
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the petition.
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Nilo Farr said, I just added my name,
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so I'm urging everybody.
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I signed last night while I was researching
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the story.
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It takes literally 10 seconds.
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You just go to the paulwatsonfoundation.org, Paul
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Watson, W-A-T-S-O-N, foundation
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.org, and click to add your name.
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You can also make a donation.
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00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:46,710
And Nilo Farr is also asking, what would
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Japanese prison look like for Paul Watson?
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They have a brutal record, not on par
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with developing nations.
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And we've also heard that same theme echoed
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by some other activists who say that he
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could really be brutalised if he ends up
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in a Japanese prison.
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You've said it could be a death sentence.
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He's 73 years old.
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Are you just saying that because of his
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age or because Japan has been at war
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with Paul Watson for so long?
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I mean, I shudder to think what could
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happen to him.
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Well, essentially, if you're charged in Japan, you're
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guilty.
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It has a 99.7% chance of
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a conviction rate.
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And the reason being is if you're charged,
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you're guilty.
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Now, the process to fight those charges, whatever
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they are, is long and quite exhausting.
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You'll usually take up to two years before
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you see a judge to fight your case.
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And of course, the honour system there prevents,
518
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the prosecutor will be questioned, why is this
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person defending himself in the first place?
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So there's that part of the Japanese rule
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of law.
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There's plenty on YouTube and Netflix about the
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Japanese rule of law and how brutal their
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justice system is.
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And then you have a look at, okay,
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he's got his age and then it's Paul
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himself.
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So the moment he gets extradited there, essentially
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he'll be poorly treated in much more discomfort
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and he won't break.
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He won't break.
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So what are they gonna do with someone
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who won't break?
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Well, they'll keep him there and they'll make
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it uncomfortable for him as possible.
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And that's what we're facing.
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And I know he won't, he will never
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capitulate.
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He will never do anything that will compromise
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his stance and his views because that's the
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sort of man he is.
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He sticks to it.
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So that means there's no way out for
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him.
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And if that's no way out, then he
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will be suffering up to 15 years of
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jail, which is what this alleged charge can
548
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:45,130
possibly carry up to.
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And as a 73-year-old man, well,
550
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you do the sums.
551
00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:53,050
Well, once again, if you're just joining us,
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00:22:53,050 --> 00:22:54,850
Omar Todd, the head of the Paul Watson
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Foundation is joining us live from London.
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And we are so honoured to speak with
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him.
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00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:05,050
Paul Watson has been behind bars for more
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than 100 days.
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00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:10,390
And this is creating just a global sense
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of outrage.
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00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:14,850
I'm wondering if it could backfire.
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00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:18,310
And in his own way, this sort of
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00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:22,070
martyrdom of Paul Watson being the best thing
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00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:23,810
that ever happened to the whales.
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00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:27,310
I mean, it's not in the news day
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in and day out.
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00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:31,770
Unfortunately, the news media doesn't cover these issues.
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00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:34,650
Our seas are dying, as he has pointed
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00:23:34,650 --> 00:23:34,950
out.
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The most important thing we can do is
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preserve our seas.
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When the oceans go, we go.
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Could this wake people up, given that so
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many famous people, Jane Goodall has spoken out,
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Rick O'Berry has spoken out, Pierce Brosnan,
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007 has spoken out.
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It's a lot of people.
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Could this have an unintended effect and backfire
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on the Japanese, Omar?
579
00:24:05,550 --> 00:24:09,110
Well, look, Paul often told me that what
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00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:12,770
we do, we don't do for anyone else.
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We don't do it for humans.
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We do it for the whales.
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We do it for the clients.
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And the clients is the ocean, the seals,
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the dolphins, the whales.
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00:24:19,170 --> 00:24:21,310
So his view would probably be along the
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lines of, look, I'm sitting in here and
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this has turned in itself a campaign.
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00:24:25,890 --> 00:24:28,610
This campaign of him being inside prison now
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00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:32,550
has brought more awareness back into whaling than
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it may have done if we had campaigned
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with the ship over in the Pacific Ocean,
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engaging Japan.
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So he views this as always in a
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00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:41,890
positive light.
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And he feels that this has brought attention
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to an issue which was sort of dying
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down the last few years.
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00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:54,530
And some people said, oh, Paul is an
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elderly statesman now.
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He shouldn't be out there.
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And perhaps it's his twilight.
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00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:01,410
Well, we discovered it's not his twilight years
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at all.
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00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:03,090
He's bigger than ever.
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He's more important than ever.
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And as much as it could backfire, we've
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seen the European Parliament discuss the possible extradition
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of Paul and the majority are against it.
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00:25:12,590 --> 00:25:14,910
We had just 21 ministers of parliament in
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the Australian parliament last week sign a letter
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to the Danish prime minister advocating for Paul's
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release.
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The Great Escape Festival just withdrew from the
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00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:28,830
Faroe Islands recently in protest and Paul's just
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been given the Perfect World Foundation Award for
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2025.
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So in his view, that this has brought
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the issue back into the light.
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And we often get people to sign waivers
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when they join our crew.
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If you join with us, the Captain Paul
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Watson Foundation, are you prepared to die for
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a whale?
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Because that's essentially what people volunteer for.
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00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:52,930
And if they're not, then they shouldn't join
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our crew.
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So Paul's leading that front and centre and
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saying to the world, well, look, I'm in
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here for a reason.
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00:26:00,170 --> 00:26:01,390
I shouldn't be here.
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00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:03,850
The world should do something about it, but
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I'm here for a reason.
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00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:08,170
So he doesn't think past that.
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00:26:08,530 --> 00:26:11,330
He's there for a reason, for the position
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00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:12,770
he stands for.
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And it's up to us as a society
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00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:18,610
to do something about it and react in
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the right way.
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00:26:19,390 --> 00:26:21,530
Now, whether we win against Japan in this
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00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:23,490
case, we don't know, but it doesn't stop
642
00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:23,890
us trying.
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00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:25,650
And we think you've got to do something
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00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:26,150
anyway.
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00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:29,230
You can't just sit back and compromise your
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00:26:29,230 --> 00:26:30,990
views if it gets hard.
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00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:32,430
Nothing worth doing is easy.
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00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:34,270
And Paul will be the first to say
649
00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:34,490
that.
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00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:36,890
And so, hat off to the guy.
651
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:39,730
He's sitting there, he's doing, he's holding this
652
00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:42,350
entire campaign on his shoulders, everything.
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00:26:43,050 --> 00:26:44,910
So the least we can do is try
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00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:45,530
to get him out.
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00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:47,810
And that's what we're going to continue to
656
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:48,030
do.
657
00:26:49,710 --> 00:26:52,630
Well, anybody who's ever seen whale wars should
658
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:55,030
know that this is not the type of
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00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,610
guy to crumble and go, oh, I give
660
00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:57,970
up.
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00:26:58,610 --> 00:27:01,310
I mean, he is one of the fiercest
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00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:01,910
activists.
663
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:04,510
And again, for those who might say, well,
664
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:07,570
you know, he's fighting them on the high
665
00:27:07,570 --> 00:27:07,830
seas.
666
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:10,250
Yeah, because that's the only thing that's going
667
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:11,130
to save these whales.
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00:27:11,790 --> 00:27:13,650
It's not asking nicely.
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00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:15,230
Everybody's asked nicely.
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00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:18,190
If writing letters and asking nicely and being
671
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:20,550
polite would save the whales, we wouldn't be
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00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:21,270
here right now.
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00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:24,890
If several people are saying that they've signed,
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I'm urging everybody to do what I did,
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00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:27,550
sign.
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00:27:27,670 --> 00:27:28,670
It takes five seconds.
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00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:32,010
Just go to the paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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00:27:32,290 --> 00:27:33,630
Let us know if you've signed.
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00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:36,770
And just put it on social media.
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00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:40,150
paulwatsonfoundation.org, it's right there.
681
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:40,910
You can't miss it.
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00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:43,150
It just says, sign the petition, click.
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00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:44,330
You can also donate.
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00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:46,590
So people are saying, Pete, please post the
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00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:46,830
link.
686
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:48,090
There it is, right there.
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00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:52,130
The link is paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:55,810
It is a website, paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:58,930
By the way, it has extraordinary articles and
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00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:00,650
a slew of videos about this.
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00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:05,010
Antonio Diaz says, I signed, Ilofar has signed.
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00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:08,350
Yes, Tiffany Brunelli has signed.
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00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:13,010
So please sign, that's super, super important.
694
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:17,190
And people are saying, well, he's 73 years
695
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:18,870
old, but that's young for a vegan.
696
00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:22,190
I just wonder how they're dealing with that
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00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:22,730
as well.
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00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:26,250
I mean, just the food that he might,
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00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:28,650
I've heard many stories of people who are
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00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:31,610
plant-based being in prison and behind bars
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00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:34,990
and basically, oh, here, you want vegan food?
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00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:37,570
Here's a roll and that's it.
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00:28:37,670 --> 00:28:40,430
Or here's a piece of toast and that's
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it.
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00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:44,750
And they're not even given sustenance, as it
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were.
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00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:48,010
I mean, on that basic physical level, is
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00:28:48,010 --> 00:28:48,770
he holding up?
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00:28:49,930 --> 00:28:52,070
Yeah, so in this particular prison, which again
710
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:54,810
is why we were all things considered, happy
711
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:57,590
we was in that particular prison, was they
712
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:59,510
get to go shopping on a Wednesday once
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00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:02,190
a week in a little internal shop and
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00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:03,710
he gets to pick out his own food.
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00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:05,070
So he gets to cook for himself in
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00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:07,870
a communal kitchen, two to three times a
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00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:09,910
day, although he's just going for breakfast and
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00:29:09,910 --> 00:29:10,690
dinner at the moment.
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00:29:11,030 --> 00:29:13,410
And he has lost weight, but he's eating
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00:29:13,410 --> 00:29:15,590
vegan food there and he's happy to prepare
721
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:16,190
his own food.
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00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:18,430
So that's one of the pros, I guess.
723
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,190
But look, the place is very remote.
724
00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,130
It's like going to the moon.
725
00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:25,650
I mean, Newt Airport itself had its international
726
00:29:25,650 --> 00:29:27,550
airport status revoked recently.
727
00:29:28,110 --> 00:29:29,510
You know, you got to go there on
728
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:30,210
a dash eight.
729
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:31,350
It's complicated.
730
00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:33,010
There's always weather problems.
731
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:35,190
It's a very expensive place to go.
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00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:37,690
So he's very isolated there.
733
00:29:37,770 --> 00:29:40,870
So we try to keep a revolving door
734
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:42,830
of people heading his way there.
735
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:45,610
You know, and also Seaship of France, which
736
00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:48,710
is one of the original Seaship entities that
737
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:50,470
Paul is still part of here.
738
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:54,810
They've been first and foremost, front and centre
739
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:56,530
in the defence of Paul as well.
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00:29:56,530 --> 00:29:59,870
And France has been a great advocate for
741
00:29:59,870 --> 00:30:02,830
that with President Macron pushing, as you said,
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00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:03,610
for his release.
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00:30:03,870 --> 00:30:08,810
Plus Paul's applied for political asylum and naturalisation
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00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:09,130
now.
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00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:10,510
So we'll see how that goes and we
746
00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:12,130
hope that goes in a positive direction.
747
00:30:12,490 --> 00:30:13,750
So all these things add up pressure, but
748
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:16,290
he is isolated, but he's fine.
749
00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:18,330
He is eating the food, the right food,
750
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:20,510
but you know, the communication is difficult.
751
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:22,810
The place is difficult and he shouldn't be
752
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:23,110
there.
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00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:26,890
And I think over 120 days, he then
754
00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:31,390
exceeds his prior detention time in the past.
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00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:33,570
And after that, he'll be longer in jail
756
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:34,890
than any other time in his life.
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So all for an allegation of a country
758
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:43,510
for essentially finable offences in any other jurisdiction.
759
00:30:43,930 --> 00:30:45,010
I mean, this is crazy.
760
00:30:45,370 --> 00:30:46,390
I mean, here you've got Interpol, right?
761
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:48,690
Interpol's a system that has a constitution.
762
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:50,470
If you look into it, it's not supposed
763
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:54,010
to be used for political detention, but quite
764
00:30:54,010 --> 00:30:55,970
a few people on the Interpol Red List
765
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:59,250
are there for political persecution and he's one
766
00:30:59,250 --> 00:30:59,490
of them.
767
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:01,610
And so I think Interpol has questions to
768
00:31:01,610 --> 00:31:05,450
answer as well, as well as how this
769
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:07,790
happened, as well as, you know, Japan answering
770
00:31:07,790 --> 00:31:09,650
questions, but Japan won't answer any questions, but
771
00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:11,830
certainly we're putting pressure on the Danish to
772
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:13,030
explain themselves.
773
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:16,070
So, you know, if you're a Denmark citizen,
774
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:18,290
you know, write to your local ministers and
775
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:19,250
ask why is he held.
776
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:21,890
If you're obviously in France as well, you
777
00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:24,350
can also try to get hold of Interpol
778
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:25,490
because Interpol's based in France.
779
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:27,530
So we're following that up ourselves as well.
780
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:30,710
I have to say, I was completely ignorant
781
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:33,350
of Greenland until about an hour and a
782
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,030
half ago when I started to say to
783
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:36,510
myself, you know what, I should look up
784
00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:38,770
Greenland and see where it is and there
785
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:39,110
it is.
786
00:31:39,210 --> 00:31:41,890
I was stunned by how big Greenland is.
787
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:43,490
I mean, look at the United States on
788
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:45,010
the left and Europe on the right.
789
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:49,790
So I found out that Greenland is the
790
00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:52,650
largest island in the world, by the way.
791
00:31:52,930 --> 00:31:57,150
It's a self-governing territory of Denmark, the
792
00:31:57,150 --> 00:32:00,550
12th largest country in the world by size,
793
00:32:00,670 --> 00:32:03,590
almost four times the size of France and
794
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:07,590
slightly more than three times the United States
795
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:08,930
state of Texas.
796
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:12,310
So three times the size of Texas.
797
00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:16,790
I mean, it's massive, but it's very sparsely
798
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:17,670
populated.
799
00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:23,650
In 2015, it was just like 57,000
800
00:32:23,650 --> 00:32:26,190
people or something really crazy small.
801
00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:30,070
So I'm wondering if the politics of this
802
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:33,250
particular region played into it.
803
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:40,710
I do know that politicians sometimes use the
804
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:44,050
indigenous culture as an excuse for whaling.
805
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,530
And that does not mean the indigenous people
806
00:32:46,530 --> 00:32:48,450
themselves are saying, go out and do this.
807
00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:52,390
It means that cynical politicians turn around and
808
00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:55,750
they use whatever levers they can to justify
809
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:57,850
and follow the money.
810
00:32:58,330 --> 00:33:00,030
Can you weigh in on that, Omar?
811
00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:04,190
Yeah, so when he was originally arrested, we
812
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:07,310
had a discussion amongst ourselves on, should we
813
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,870
focus the pressure on Greenland or the Danes?
814
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:12,970
And we decided in the end, it was
815
00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:16,170
the Danish government that we had to apply
816
00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:19,810
pressure on, mostly because the prosecutor and the
817
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:22,590
14 federal police came from Denmark.
818
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:25,910
And the Greenlandic people themselves, when we arrived,
819
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:27,950
were very friendly and have been continuously being
820
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:28,270
friendly.
821
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:32,750
So, and certainly I'll give you one little
822
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:36,470
bit of story that Paul's inside and initially
823
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:38,630
we were quite concerned that with the indigenous
824
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:42,070
and sort of anti-whaling views Paul would
825
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:44,210
have, that he might be seen as public
826
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:45,270
enemy number one inside.
827
00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:46,790
So we were quite concerned, but as it
828
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:49,130
turns out, they actually have heard of him
829
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:52,230
and he's the most well-recognised person and
830
00:33:52,230 --> 00:33:53,890
celebrity that they've ever had in there.
831
00:33:54,290 --> 00:33:56,130
And that we actually got them copies of
832
00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:57,570
Wild Wars and they all started watching it.
833
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:59,750
And so Paul walks around inside and actually
834
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:02,610
gets a lot of people shouting out that
835
00:34:02,610 --> 00:34:03,370
they support him.
836
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:05,250
So even though they can't speak in English
837
00:34:05,250 --> 00:34:06,430
or anything else, they support him.
838
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:11,310
So I don't think, I think Greenland's moving
839
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:11,590
on.
840
00:34:11,949 --> 00:34:13,590
When I was there, what I didn't notice
841
00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,130
was an enormous amounts of construction work going
842
00:34:16,130 --> 00:34:16,409
on.
843
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:18,130
They're even building a new airport.
844
00:34:19,050 --> 00:34:20,690
So I think, you know, with the event
845
00:34:20,690 --> 00:34:22,690
of climate change, which we all know is
846
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:27,510
happening, I think there is possibly policies behind
847
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:29,590
the scenes that we can't quite see on
848
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:33,030
the front end that are mostly economic and
849
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:35,409
based, perhaps with the Japanese, as I mentioned,
850
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:39,389
were there with trade agreements being signed back
851
00:34:39,389 --> 00:34:40,670
in December, 2023.
852
00:34:40,670 --> 00:34:43,409
So there's definitely something going on.
853
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:47,330
And it was particularly peculiar, even though the
854
00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:51,150
prosecutor was from Copenhagen, the judge himself, who's
855
00:34:51,150 --> 00:34:53,790
making the current rules to remand Paul is
856
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:55,030
a local judge.
857
00:34:55,409 --> 00:34:58,690
And each time Paul's been remanded longer, we
858
00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:00,870
have immediately appealed to the high court, which
859
00:35:00,870 --> 00:35:04,050
is done via email in Greenland, oddly enough.
860
00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,370
And each time they've upheld the court's decision
861
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:07,590
to keep him in remand.
862
00:35:07,770 --> 00:35:09,130
Now that's on Greenland.
863
00:35:09,730 --> 00:35:11,970
So why is that judge holding Paul?
864
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:15,190
Why is that judge not allowing us to
865
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:17,610
look at the evidence from our side, which
866
00:35:17,610 --> 00:35:20,670
instantly exonerates Paul, instantly.
867
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:23,450
Like you just can't go, okay, well, he
868
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:24,170
didn't throw it.
869
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:25,690
And even his crew member who threw it
870
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:26,650
didn't hit anybody.
871
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:28,390
So that's the allegation.
872
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:29,150
There's not enough evidence.
873
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:31,830
What's the bottom line allegation that he threw?
874
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:34,750
The bottom line allegation is that he threw
875
00:35:34,750 --> 00:35:37,470
some kind of firebomb or somebody threw a
876
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:40,950
- So another crew member called Pete Bethune,
877
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:44,590
who had his ship rammed and sunk called
878
00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:47,050
the Yardigill in one of the first encounters
879
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:50,370
back in 2010, wanted to present an invoice
880
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:56,670
essentially to the Japanese vessel, that captain, for
881
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:59,130
his $2 million vessel that had been rammed
882
00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:02,070
and sunk by the Japanese whaling vessel at
883
00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:02,430
the time.
884
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:04,530
They were out of, the Yardigill was out
885
00:36:04,530 --> 00:36:04,950
of fuel.
886
00:36:05,090 --> 00:36:06,030
It was just sitting idle.
887
00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:10,130
And the Japanese vessel came from the bow
888
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:12,310
and came up and just basically ran straight
889
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:13,670
through it and cut it in half and
890
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:14,910
then just drove off.
891
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:16,710
And there was no repercussions for the Japanese
892
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:17,030
at all.
893
00:36:17,410 --> 00:36:21,950
Incidentally, a New Zealand investigation later released that
894
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:24,050
the Japanese were at fault, but that aside.
895
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:27,770
So that was the reason why Pete Bethune
896
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:31,170
wanted to jump on board on the whaling
897
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:32,990
vessel to present an invoice to the captain
898
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:34,690
and say, hey, look, you've damaged my vessel.
899
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:38,430
Paul famously said on a Whale Wars episode
900
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:40,010
that he recommended you don't do that.
901
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,550
And you should go back to Australia to
902
00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:43,470
do media about his vessel being run over
903
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,230
because that would probably garner more attention.
904
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:47,550
But Pete Bethune decided to go anyway.
905
00:36:48,090 --> 00:36:50,770
So in this particular moment, so there's a
906
00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:53,370
number of moments that matter.
907
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:55,110
So in this particular case, he went over
908
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:59,030
there, they cut, he cut the net, which
909
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:02,590
is the property damage allegation, jumped on board.
910
00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:03,970
Yeah, jumped on board.
911
00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:07,410
Which was the trespass allegation.
912
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:09,810
And then he presented the invoice to the
913
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:10,010
captain.
914
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:11,790
Of course, they took him back to Japan.
915
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:14,670
And that's when he was held for a
916
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:17,730
number of months before he eventually, so under
917
00:37:17,730 --> 00:37:21,010
the Japanese justice system, he was interrogated daily.
918
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:23,450
He was basically, you know- And this
919
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:24,970
is not Watson.
920
00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:26,010
This is somebody else.
921
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:26,450
This is, that's right.
922
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:29,150
This is one of the, you know, the
923
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:31,730
Pete Bethune who was, well, he was a
924
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:32,810
captain of his own vessel.
925
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:34,770
So he worked with us at the time,
926
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:36,530
but he was a captain of his own
927
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:38,210
vessel that was run over by the Japanese.
928
00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:40,150
He wanted to present the Japanese with an
929
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:40,450
invoice.
930
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:41,170
He did so.
931
00:37:41,350 --> 00:37:43,090
And then he got hauled back to Japan
932
00:37:43,090 --> 00:37:44,310
to face these charges.
933
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:46,610
Now, what they made him do after some
934
00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:49,350
months is they got him to sign a
935
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,510
affidavit blaming Paul Frodell.
936
00:37:51,770 --> 00:37:54,610
Then that's where you have the conspiracy aspect.
937
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:57,430
And he signed that to get out of
938
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:57,530
there.
939
00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:59,590
Now he since signed an affidavit after he
940
00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:01,290
got out saying that he was forced to
941
00:38:01,290 --> 00:38:03,070
sign that inside so he can get out
942
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:05,290
because he, you know, he wasn't, he was
943
00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:06,470
just going to be stuck there forever.
944
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:10,630
And so that's part of it.
945
00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:14,090
And that's where the trespass, the property damage,
946
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:16,990
and those particular allegations, which are by the
947
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:21,650
way, all just finable offences under Japanese, Greenlandic,
948
00:38:21,730 --> 00:38:22,390
and Danish law.
949
00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:22,750
Okay.
950
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:25,870
Then on another time, just before Pete jumped
951
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:28,910
on board the vessel, he was harassing the
952
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:33,130
whalers with a potato spud gun, which essentially
953
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:34,990
shot out some stink bombs.
954
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:37,510
And the stink bomb hit the side of
955
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:41,810
the vessel one time, broke apart, and the
956
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:45,410
Japanese were saying, well, that's what caused an
957
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:46,950
injury to one of the crew members.
958
00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:47,970
And they got a little bit of a
959
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:48,950
rash under their eye.
960
00:38:49,150 --> 00:38:51,350
And that's what they regarded as the more
961
00:38:51,350 --> 00:38:53,010
serious allegation of assault.
962
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:54,630
Now, here's the thing.
963
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:56,470
We've got footage, and they've got footage of
964
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:57,110
that incident.
965
00:38:57,790 --> 00:39:00,170
And what we see is the Japanese who
966
00:39:00,170 --> 00:39:02,990
had pepper spray guns at the time, spraying
967
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:05,350
into the wind, which then backfired and went
968
00:39:05,350 --> 00:39:07,770
into their face, which is what caused the
969
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:08,570
damage, if any.
970
00:39:09,130 --> 00:39:11,350
And then when Pete Bethune launched his spud
971
00:39:11,350 --> 00:39:13,450
gun, it hit a part of the vessel
972
00:39:13,450 --> 00:39:14,710
that there was no one at.
973
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:18,690
And that's the crunch of the allegation that
974
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:21,150
they say someone was there, they got injured.
975
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:23,890
That's years ago, years ago.
976
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:24,350
Yeah, yeah.
977
00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:28,130
And we say that- How long ago
978
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:28,650
did all this happen?
979
00:39:28,650 --> 00:39:30,690
Well, this is all back in 2010.
980
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:31,910
2010?
981
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:33,970
I mean, this is- Yeah, 14 years.
982
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,990
This is so crazy, so crazy.
983
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:40,370
Michael Fujimori says, as a Japanese American, I'm
984
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:43,570
disgusted and ashamed by Japan's attempts to destroy
985
00:39:43,570 --> 00:39:45,070
Paul Watson.
986
00:39:45,490 --> 00:39:47,770
Wanna go back to Annie Abram.
987
00:39:47,770 --> 00:39:54,350
Annie, you're very, very moved by what's happening
988
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:57,430
to Captain Paul Watson.
989
00:39:57,810 --> 00:40:02,530
If you could speak to him and say
990
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:07,590
anything, what exactly would you say to Captain
991
00:40:07,590 --> 00:40:08,170
Paul Watson?
992
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,090
Oh, that's hard.
993
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:13,470
There's so much I would love to say.
994
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:16,550
I would say, thank you so much for
995
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:19,490
dedicating 50 years of your life.
996
00:40:19,650 --> 00:40:23,630
When you've had your journalism career and you
997
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:27,810
saw the urgency in our ocean life, what's
998
00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:32,250
happening, which in return will destroy our planet
999
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:35,630
survivor, the survival ability.
1000
00:40:36,110 --> 00:40:38,530
So thank you for being our hero.
1001
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:42,730
Thank you for dedicating your life, 50 years
1002
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:43,610
of your life.
1003
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:45,650
You need to be honoured.
1004
00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:48,810
And I appreciate you endlessly.
1005
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:51,690
We owe you our life, our oxygen.
1006
00:40:51,850 --> 00:40:54,910
55% of our oxygen comes from the
1007
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:55,230
ocean.
1008
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:57,950
He's been protecting this by protecting the whales.
1009
00:40:58,290 --> 00:41:00,430
And I'm ashamed to say, I recently learned
1010
00:41:00,430 --> 00:41:06,250
about the whales, that each whale contains 1
1011
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:11,330
,500 mature tree carbon, each one whale.
1012
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:12,690
This is a forest.
1013
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,650
We're talking about Amazon, that people break hell
1014
00:41:15,650 --> 00:41:16,170
for it.
1015
00:41:16,610 --> 00:41:20,250
We're talking about each whale, 1,500 mature
1016
00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:22,230
tree carbon sequester.
1017
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,750
And their poo and pee is food for
1018
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,010
the phytoplankton, sea moss and seaweed.
1019
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:30,630
Phytoplankton is what we need for the oxygen,
1020
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:31,790
comes from the ocean.
1021
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:36,750
And it's amazing, amazing how much he's been
1022
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:37,050
doing.
1023
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:38,470
Can't thank him enough.
1024
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:38,870
Thank you.
1025
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:39,950
Thank you.
1026
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:42,870
And let me ask you, Omar, to that
1027
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:47,190
point, how important are the whales to our
1028
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:48,250
survivability?
1029
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:51,990
Now, I personally believe whales are entitled to
1030
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:55,750
their lives, and it doesn't matter what they
1031
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:59,490
provide in terms of carbon capture or whatever.
1032
00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:01,970
These are sentient beings who have a right
1033
00:42:01,970 --> 00:42:02,930
to live in our ocean.
1034
00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:06,110
And we have, as a species, declared war
1035
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:06,570
on them.
1036
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:11,070
And thank God, most countries have stopped killing
1037
00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:11,710
the whales.
1038
00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:16,570
But to Annie's point, for those who may
1039
00:42:16,570 --> 00:42:19,810
not be motivated by compassion, why should we
1040
00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:20,210
care?
1041
00:42:21,730 --> 00:42:24,510
Well, if you'd like to breathe air, you
1042
00:42:24,510 --> 00:42:25,070
should care.
1043
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:28,230
Essentially, it's the ocean that provides the oxygen
1044
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:30,130
we breathe, more than anything else.
1045
00:42:30,370 --> 00:42:33,130
A healthy ocean and the biodiversity that goes
1046
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:34,990
with it, which includes whales, which are the
1047
00:42:34,990 --> 00:42:35,830
farmers of the sea.
1048
00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:38,930
They poop out a lot of poo that
1049
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,090
goes down with a lot of iron content,
1050
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:43,410
the phytoplanktons and the krill, everything eats all
1051
00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:44,790
that, and then it goes in a circular
1052
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:48,130
fashion and creates the oxygen we breathe.
1053
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:53,110
In fact, more or less more recently, if
1054
00:42:53,110 --> 00:42:54,870
we didn't have whaling as an issue, which
1055
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:57,630
Paul wants to finish in his lifetime, wants
1056
00:42:57,630 --> 00:42:59,310
to make sure it goes away in his
1057
00:42:59,310 --> 00:43:01,170
lifetime, the next sort of things we're gonna
1058
00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:03,970
be looking at is making sure krill and
1059
00:43:03,970 --> 00:43:07,050
phytoplankton are protected in the oceans, because that
1060
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:10,070
is really the lifeline to our species.
1061
00:43:10,830 --> 00:43:13,090
I mean, you can like whales or not
1062
00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:14,970
like whales, but we all like air to
1063
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:15,190
breathe.
1064
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:17,690
So essentially, it's part of our lungs.
1065
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:20,790
The whales are the farmers of the sea
1066
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:24,210
that protect and farm oxygen for us to
1067
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:24,970
live as a species.
1068
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:27,030
Now, if you can't find that important enough,
1069
00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:28,910
well, we're doomed.
1070
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:32,770
So essentially, that's my argument that we need
1071
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:36,170
to make sure that we have oxygen to
1072
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:37,530
breathe, and they are the ones that filter
1073
00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:37,830
it out.
1074
00:43:37,890 --> 00:43:40,250
Plus, as you mentioned earlier on, they're carbon
1075
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:41,130
sequesters as well.
1076
00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:43,690
How are the whales doing?
1077
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:48,530
Obviously, they were hunted for centuries, used for
1078
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:50,750
fuel, used for...
1079
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:52,490
At one point, humans ate them.
1080
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:56,170
That's no longer the case, almost entirely eliminated,
1081
00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:01,570
which makes this Japanese whaling campaign so idiotic,
1082
00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:02,290
let's just say.
1083
00:44:02,770 --> 00:44:04,930
But how are the whales doing?
1084
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,510
Are they on the verge of extinction?
1085
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:12,830
Does it depend on which species of whale?
1086
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:16,630
Can you give us the, yeah, the update
1087
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:17,090
on that?
1088
00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:19,950
Yeah, the indication is that whale populations have
1089
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:21,950
recovered somewhat, somewhat.
1090
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:24,930
They're certainly not at their all-time highs
1091
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:27,550
before whaling started, but they've recovered.
1092
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:29,270
I mean, certainly, yeah, there's more fin whales
1093
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:30,090
up north now.
1094
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:33,250
There's more whales in the Antarctica, which of
1095
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:35,230
course is going to be the Japanese argument
1096
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:36,350
if they do go down there.
1097
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:38,190
There's plenty more whales down there.
1098
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:40,830
So they're recovering, but at the same time,
1099
00:44:40,850 --> 00:44:43,010
we've got so many other mixtures of complexities
1100
00:44:43,010 --> 00:44:45,690
adding to this now, you know, plastics in
1101
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:46,090
the ocean.
1102
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:48,290
And what they're discovering is, is whales have
1103
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:49,790
digested more plastics than ever.
1104
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:52,010
And that has an effect that we're not
1105
00:44:52,010 --> 00:44:52,510
sure about.
1106
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:55,390
It's probably like the equivalency of, you know,
1107
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:57,130
people starting to figure out in the 60s
1108
00:44:57,130 --> 00:44:59,050
and 70s that maybe smoking is not bad
1109
00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:59,430
for you.
1110
00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:01,170
But then later on, we discover it was
1111
00:45:01,170 --> 00:45:02,970
catastrophic for cancer problems.
1112
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:05,290
While we think that plastics in the oceans
1113
00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:08,910
affecting a growing whale population, you know, maybe
1114
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:10,670
down the road going to cause us problems
1115
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:12,030
we can't even foresee yet.
1116
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:15,450
So there's, you know, and there's also the
1117
00:45:15,450 --> 00:45:17,270
fact that, you know, the fish stocks are
1118
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:18,450
still being depleted.
1119
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:21,730
So the imbalance of things is the problem.
1120
00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:24,450
So whale populations might be on the recovery
1121
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:26,290
in comparison to before whaling started.
1122
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:28,230
But when you add plastics and you add
1123
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:31,850
whale stocks, are being depleted still, which means
1124
00:45:31,850 --> 00:45:33,510
the whales have less to eat, which means
1125
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:36,110
the whale population will hit a ceiling quicker
1126
00:45:36,110 --> 00:45:38,430
on population levels than they would have say,
1127
00:45:38,570 --> 00:45:39,930
a couple of hundred years ago.
1128
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,830
These other mitigating circumstances that may stop whale
1129
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:45,530
populations recovering totally.
1130
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:50,030
So while there's signs of positivity, there's also
1131
00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:52,130
a lot of red flags ahead, I think
1132
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:53,610
that we have to keep an eye on.
1133
00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:57,230
So again, for those joining us, we're talking
1134
00:45:57,230 --> 00:46:00,750
to Omar Todd, the head of the Paul
1135
00:46:00,750 --> 00:46:03,550
Watson Foundation, who's joining us live from London
1136
00:46:03,550 --> 00:46:07,170
while we're here in Los Angeles about the
1137
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,130
imprisonment of Captain Paul Watson.
1138
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:14,030
Now he has asked France for asylum.
1139
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:18,290
He wrote a letter directly to President Macron.
1140
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:20,290
What's happening with that?
1141
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:22,550
I know there's protests in France.
1142
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:24,030
There's also protests in Belgium.
1143
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:26,610
Is there any chance that President Macron of
1144
00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:28,770
France will grant that asylum?
1145
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:33,030
Well, one of the ministers on television a
1146
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:34,970
couple of days ago, I think it was
1147
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:35,990
a minister of immigration.
1148
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:37,530
I think it was that.
1149
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:40,830
He actually said he wouldn't be positive if
1150
00:46:40,830 --> 00:46:42,230
Paul got naturalisation.
1151
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:45,650
So we think it's a strong possibility.
1152
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:49,950
We hope that's the case.
1153
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:51,490
We don't know the answer yet.
1154
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:55,490
Lamia Somali, the president of the ship of
1155
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:56,730
France, has been heading that up.
1156
00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:01,330
They've pulled out all the stops in France
1157
00:47:01,330 --> 00:47:02,210
to get Paul released.
1158
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:03,970
They've used diplomats.
1159
00:47:04,570 --> 00:47:07,770
They had the former diplomat to Denmark involved
1160
00:47:07,770 --> 00:47:08,830
on the highest level.
1161
00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:13,410
They've been petitioning Denmark continuously from all the
1162
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:14,270
different departments.
1163
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:18,270
So the pressure is very high from France.
1164
00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:22,310
And Macron's also made positive statements about Paul's
1165
00:47:22,310 --> 00:47:22,830
situation.
1166
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:24,330
So fingers crossed.
1167
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:27,810
His family's currently resigning in France as well.
1168
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:30,190
So that'd be a perfect place for him
1169
00:47:30,190 --> 00:47:31,050
to return to.
1170
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:36,470
And in France, Paul's very well respected.
1171
00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:38,670
I mean, he's well known.
1172
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:40,810
He's done a lot of TV appearances there.
1173
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:44,130
And the French have got the second largest
1174
00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:46,570
jurisdiction of ocean management in the world.
1175
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:51,310
So there's some big positives, Paul going to
1176
00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:51,550
France.
1177
00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:54,210
But of course, he's obviously a US and
1178
00:47:54,210 --> 00:47:55,350
Canadian citizen too.
1179
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:59,250
So we hope it will lead to something,
1180
00:47:59,550 --> 00:48:00,770
but we don't know yet.
1181
00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:03,990
And we are eagerly, eagerly waiting for an
1182
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:04,650
answer on that.
1183
00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:07,850
Here's what James Cameron, the famed film director,
1184
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:08,430
has to say.
1185
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:10,310
The people who defend our life support system
1186
00:48:10,310 --> 00:48:11,970
should be celebrated, not arrested.
1187
00:48:12,490 --> 00:48:15,190
The legendary activist, Captain Paul Watson, has stood
1188
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:16,650
up for the oceans for decades.
1189
00:48:17,170 --> 00:48:19,510
He goes where no one else will to
1190
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:22,510
enforce international conservation law and protect the sea
1191
00:48:22,510 --> 00:48:25,250
life that holds our planet in balance.
1192
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:28,370
Captain Watson was arrested by Danish authorities.
1193
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:30,390
This was posted a while ago in Greenland,
1194
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:32,330
where he waits a decision on whether he
1195
00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:34,710
is extradited to Japan for sentencing.
1196
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,030
I'm joining the international community and calling on
1197
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:41,270
Denmark to issue his immediate release.
1198
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:49,550
So what is Denmark doing about the overwhelming
1199
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:54,010
international disgust over their situation?
1200
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:55,890
There's been protests in LA.
1201
00:48:56,090 --> 00:48:57,310
There's been protests in Paris.
1202
00:48:57,410 --> 00:48:58,990
There's been protests in Belgium.
1203
00:48:59,550 --> 00:49:03,030
Famous people like James Cameron and Dr. Jane
1204
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:07,370
Goodall and Piers Brosnan and the leaders of
1205
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:10,430
rock bands, the lead singers, I mean, people
1206
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:11,990
are outraged.
1207
00:49:12,730 --> 00:49:16,370
I don't understand why Denmark, which I think
1208
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,370
values its reputation.
1209
00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:21,190
I mean, just, I've been to Denmark and
1210
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:23,910
their recycling will blow your mind.
1211
00:49:24,070 --> 00:49:27,150
I wanted to take photos of how incredible
1212
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:30,690
their recycling process was to bring back here
1213
00:49:30,690 --> 00:49:32,650
and tell people, let's get with it, people
1214
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:33,590
on the recycling.
1215
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:37,770
It seems like Denmark is so progressive.
1216
00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:40,710
It strikes me as bizarre that they are
1217
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:42,010
taking this stance.
1218
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:44,050
I don't, I still don't quite get it.
1219
00:49:44,050 --> 00:49:46,310
Omar, is there something I'm missing?
1220
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:51,830
No, we've had countless discussions amongst ourselves on
1221
00:49:51,830 --> 00:49:52,910
the optics of this.
1222
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:55,170
The optics is very bad for Denmark.
1223
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:56,930
The longer they hold him, the worse it
1224
00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:57,450
looks for them.
1225
00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:00,710
And the repercussions on their reputation is going
1226
00:50:00,710 --> 00:50:03,110
to catch up to them if they continue
1227
00:50:03,110 --> 00:50:03,650
to hold him.
1228
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:06,910
If they extradite him, that'll even be worse.
1229
00:50:07,350 --> 00:50:08,950
The best thing they can do to make
1230
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:11,170
this problem go away is to release him.
1231
00:50:11,170 --> 00:50:13,970
And I am stunned that they haven't yet.
1232
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,770
I think it's, whoever's in charge, I think
1233
00:50:17,770 --> 00:50:18,450
it's a poor decision.
1234
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:21,190
I mean, I watch, I see the President
1235
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:23,790
Met's Instagram account and you have a look
1236
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:24,310
at it, right?
1237
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:28,150
It's progressive, you know, she supports minority groups.
1238
00:50:28,270 --> 00:50:30,150
She's very environmental and conscious.
1239
00:50:30,930 --> 00:50:32,010
What are they thinking?
1240
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:34,690
And in Paul's essentially, in the hands of
1241
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:38,330
this young 30s plus year old minister of
1242
00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:40,990
justice, his hands at the moment, who for
1243
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:43,230
whatever reason can't make his mind up, which
1244
00:50:43,230 --> 00:50:45,210
should be a very, very easy decision to
1245
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:45,550
make.
1246
00:50:46,210 --> 00:50:47,750
You know, they don't have to follow this
1247
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:48,570
extradition request.
1248
00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:49,550
It is a request.
1249
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:50,370
It's not a demand.
1250
00:50:51,010 --> 00:50:52,530
So why are they doing it?
1251
00:50:53,010 --> 00:50:53,790
Good question.
1252
00:50:54,090 --> 00:50:54,830
I wish I knew.
1253
00:50:55,750 --> 00:51:00,970
And again, they're siding with Japanese law against
1254
00:51:00,970 --> 00:51:05,370
international treaties that say that whaling is a
1255
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:06,210
big no-no.
1256
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:09,710
So that strikes me as really bizarre.
1257
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:13,990
And I keep seeing the phrase Faroe Islands
1258
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:14,770
pop up.
1259
00:51:14,970 --> 00:51:17,910
I want to confess, I'm not exactly sure
1260
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:19,450
where it fits in with this story.
1261
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:21,690
Can you give me the 30 second elevator
1262
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:22,390
on that?
1263
00:51:23,250 --> 00:51:26,270
Well, the Faroe Islands are northwest of England.
1264
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:28,790
There are small group islands, one of the
1265
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:31,150
highest GDPs in Europe.
1266
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:34,110
They're a protectorate again, under the Danish government.
1267
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:35,850
So if you look on that map there,
1268
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:38,430
you can see England there.
1269
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:40,670
And there's this tiny little dot up north
1270
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:43,130
of England on the sort of northwest, just
1271
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:46,110
between Iceland and England.
1272
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:47,810
And that's the Faroe Islands.
1273
00:51:48,550 --> 00:51:52,470
Beautiful islands, amazing territory in terms of views
1274
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:54,710
and, you know, cruises stop by there.
1275
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:56,690
Very modern society.
1276
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:59,390
But what they do all year round is
1277
00:51:59,390 --> 00:52:02,170
they have this effectively a blood sport.
1278
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:04,810
They would argue it's for sussicence, you know,
1279
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:08,910
like an Indigenous sussicence for food, which is
1280
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:09,290
ridiculous.
1281
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:12,210
But they hear about some whales coming in,
1282
00:52:12,310 --> 00:52:13,450
you know, to the area.
1283
00:52:13,530 --> 00:52:14,810
And then they get these little boats and
1284
00:52:14,810 --> 00:52:17,530
herd these, you know, 100 to 60, 70,
1285
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:20,590
100, 200 whales into their ford.
1286
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:23,210
And then they basically all run down there
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and slaughter them with these corkscrew devices, knives,
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and they get the kids to come down.
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They all turn up in their brand new
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Mercedes and BMWs.
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And it's illegal to intervene.
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Now, Sea Shepherd UK, Sea Shepherd France, and
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now obviously the Captain Paul Watson Foundation, we've
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been in opposition for that for years.
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And this is another really peculiar little country.
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And the Faroe Islands are controlled by Denmark?
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They are part of Denmark?
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It's an independent, autonomous country again.
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But if you go there with your...
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Yes, if you go there to defend the
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whales though, it's the Danish Navy that will
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turn up.
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Okay, so that's why Denmark is doing it.
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Correct.
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So you've got a Danish Navy defending whale
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killers that under Danish law is illegal.
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And yet the Faroese get all the benefits
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of an EU country that's in the EU,
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but not in the EU.
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So they get all the subsidies to build
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all their tunnels and infrastructure and stuff.
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It's a complete disaster.
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And it's optically looks very bad for Denmark.
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And I don't know why Denmark doesn't do
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something about it, all to keep a few
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people in their blood sport happy.
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And it's very few people.
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We can't point the finger at another country
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when here in the United States, you're in
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England.
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I know there's been a big reduction in
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hunting, but still there are fox hunts.
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And I see the news all the time
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on people, they're called hunt saboteurs.
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They try to stop the hunting.
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And here we have, people love to use
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guns and say, well, we don't want to
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kill people.
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And we certainly don't, but it's okay to
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kill animals.
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And I don't believe that for a second.
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So before we point fingers at another country,
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we would have to look in the mirror
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and say, what's our country doing?
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And unfortunately, blood sport is part of the
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human condition at this point.
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Let's hope we evolve past it.
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This has been such a fascinating conversation.
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I want to say, Omar, I know you're
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a very busy man and you are working
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around the clock to free Captain Paul Watson.
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And I want to thank you for taking
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the time to tell our American audience, bring
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us up to date on this horror show
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and tell people what to do.
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Please, if you are listening or watching, or
1347
00:54:55,690 --> 00:54:58,410
both, go to the Paul Watson Foundation.
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It's paulwatsonfoundation.org.
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The easiest to remember, paulwatsonfoundation.org and sign
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the petition to demand the immediate release of
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Paul Watson.
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I did it last night.
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It takes literally 45 seconds.
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And I also want to thank Annie Abram,
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who has organised several protests here in Los
1356
00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:25,470
Angeles to speak up for Paul Watson outside
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Danish government offices here in Los Angeles.
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And that's happening around the world.
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So I very much appreciate all of your
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efforts.
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Everybody together, I think we can free Captain
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Paul Watson.
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