UnchainedTV: Happy Birthday, Gene Baur, Farm Sanctuary President!

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We've got some breaking news for you people.

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This is really important breaking news.

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It is Gene Bower's birthday, and you may

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not know Gene, but millions of people do.

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He is considered the father of the farmed

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animal sanctuary movement.

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He is also even called the conscience of

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the food movement.

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So Gene Bower, sitting here with a beautiful

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sheet, is the co-founder and president of

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Farm Sanctuary Rescue Education Advocacy.

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There are two beautiful sanctuaries, and these animals

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are ambassadors, showing that farmed animals have all

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the feelings of a dog or a cat

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or even people, and that there's really only

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advantages in being kind to them.

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So without further ado, I want to welcome

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Gene Bower, and that's a little happy birthday

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music in the background.

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I just want to say Gene, you are

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my hero.

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I am so honoured that you're spending an

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hour with us.

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Take it away.

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Where is Farm Sanctuary today?

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You were founded in 1986, and you have

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grown into a global movement, really the face

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of the farmed animal sanctuary movement.

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Yeah, well thank you so much, Gene.

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It's great to be with you.

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We go back decades, and it's wonderful to

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celebrate my 62nd birthday here with you.

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I'll also say that my birthday is actually

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next week, but you know that timing didn't

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work out, so we're doing it today, and

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I'm grateful for this opportunity.

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So Farm Sanctuary started back in 1986, and

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the idea then was to document what was

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happening to animals in the food system, and

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we would routinely find living animals that were

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left for dead and discarded like garbage.

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So we started rescuing them, and we now

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operate sanctuaries in New York and California, where

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the animals are our friends, not our food,

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and where we encourage people to come and

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get to know these individuals and recognise that

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they're not that different than cats or dogs,

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that they have feelings, they have memories, they

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have personalities.

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They want to be treated with kindness, just

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like any other animal, or even human for

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that matter.

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And so we have sanctuaries where animals get

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to enjoy their lives, and where people get

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to visit them.

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We do educational work.

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We go to schools and other places to

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raise awareness about the many harms of our

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food system, and about the benefits of eating

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plants instead of animals, and we advocate for

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reforms in our food system.

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We're taking a resource-based approach to system

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change, meaning that we're trying to shift resources,

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things like the billions of dollars of government

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subsidies that are spent every year, and we

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want to move those away from factory farming

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to support a healthy and just plant-based

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food system.

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So we do rescue work, we do educational

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work, and we do advocacy work.

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Well, you are just so extraordinary, and you

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know, I was looking over some of the

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videos in preparation for our interview, and what

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what's really struck me was the complexity, the

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complexity of these rescues you do, and how

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much work, and how much coordination, and how

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many people, and it's just extraordinary.

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So it's not just about running a couple

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of sanctuaries with some happy animals, it's about

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getting animals out of these terrible situations, by

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hook or by crook, and then doing all

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the complicated things, like transportation.

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Absolutely, Michael in Los Angeles, your thoughts for

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Gene Bauer.

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Yes, hi Gene.

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First, I want to wish you a very

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happy birthday, and thanks for all you've done

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for many animals for many, many years.

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My question is, I've always been intrigued about

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your experience selling vegan hot dogs back in

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the 80s in the parking lot at Grateful

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Dead concerts.

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How was that like?

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Because a lot of their fans I know

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are free spirits to begin with, but those

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were the really early days of veganism, and

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I was wondering how well you did selling

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them.

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Also, where did you even find vegan hot

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dogs back in those days?

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Thank you.

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Well, that's a great question.

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Do you mind if I play a little

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clip first that really takes us back to

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those days, and then we're going to approach

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that question.

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Sure, absolutely.

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Yes.

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Hi everybody, this is Gene Bauer from Farm

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Sanctuary in the van that started Farm Sanctuary,

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and we used to sell veggie hot dogs

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at Grateful Dead shows out of this van,

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and we actually have some old bumper stickers

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here from those old days.

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Grateful Dead ticket from like, was it 1983

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even, but this was some of the history

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of this van, and the Grateful Dead are

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still playing.

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Farm Sanctuary is still trucking.

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Wow, that was incredible.

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Tell us about those early days.

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Yeah, so when we started back in 1986,

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we were an all-volunteer organisation, and to

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raise funds, we'd sell vegan hot dogs outside

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of our van at Grateful Dead shows, and

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it was a very open-minded crowd.

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I would say among Deadheads, there's probably a

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higher percentage of vegetarians and vegans than in

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the general population, and also just people more

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open-minded than most, and so it was

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a very receptive crowd, a very receptive audience,

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and some great ideas actually came out of

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conversations there.

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In fact, our first bumper sticker was based

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on what one of these Deadheads came up

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and said to me.

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He said, you know what would be great

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on a bumper sticker?

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If you love animals called pets, why do

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you eat animals called dinner?

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And we agreed, and that was our first

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bumper sticker.

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If you love animals called pets, why do

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you eat animals called dinner?

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And I'm also really happy to say that,

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you know, the Grateful Dead, or the Dead

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and Company, I should say, are still playing,

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and they recently have had a residency at

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the Sphere in Las Vegas, and Farm Sanctuary

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was invited to have an outreach table there.

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So I was recently in Las Vegas doing

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outreach to people going to the Grateful Dead

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shows, and a guy came up to me

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and reminded me and remembered buying a veggie

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dog from us back in the 1980s in

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Wisconsin.

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So folks that care about animals and that

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choose not to eat animals are very passionate,

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and finding vegan food back in the 80s

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was a lot harder than it is now.

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So many of the people that came to

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our meatless hot dog van were very excited

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to be there, and they still remember it

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to this day.

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And you had quite a beard on you

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there.

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Wow, look at that.

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That was back in 1986 or 7 or

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8, somewhere in those in those years.

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Yes.

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Wow, that's extraordinary.

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And your Farm Sanctuary is the first farmed

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animal sanctuary and set basically the template.

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Now there are hundreds, maybe even thousands around

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the United States, certainly thousands around the world.

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We've got more callers.

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Paige in Los Angeles, your question or thought

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for Gene Bauer?

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Well first of all, I may have seen

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you at the Dead concert I went to

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in 1989.

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Man, that dates me.

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Thank you for bringing awareness then.

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Gene, hi, happy birthday.

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And my question for you is, how can

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we do better as activists in 2024?

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What are your thoughts?

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Thank you.

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No, well thank you for the question, and

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I hope we did cross paths back in

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89, and we'll cross paths again in the

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future.

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So for activists, you know, people who care

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about this earth, and for those of us

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who care about how humans mistreat other animals,

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you know, some days can be pretty challenging

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to just, you know, feel the weight of

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the cruelty, the violence, the destruction, the needless

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harm that we cause through our factory farming

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system.

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But it's important not to get sort of

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dragged down into that, not to dwell into

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that, not to run those images over and

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over in our minds to the extent we

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can, to the extent we can not run

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those around in our minds.

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For me, I try to dwell in the

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things that I can do instead of being

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upset with the things that I can't do.

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And every day I make choices about what

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I eat, and I've been a vegan since

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1985, so I'm always choosing to eat plants

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instead of animals.

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But I'm also increasingly now trying to support

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businesses, like vegan restaurants, for example, or local

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farmers that are growing plant-based foods, and

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local businesses that are supporting a vegan lifestyle.

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So we vote with our dollars, and for

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those of us with the ability to do

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that, I strongly encourage that.

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And for folks for whom it might be

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harder to go completely vegan, just reducing the

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amount of animal products we are engaged in

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is important.

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And I think as vegan activists, it's important

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to celebrate any small step in the right

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direction, to celebrate incremental improvements and changes, and

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to not let perfect be the enemy of

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the good.

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We need to be practical while also maintaining

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our ideals, but working to find common ground

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with others and go forward together in a

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more compassionate way.

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So as a younger activist, I was a

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little less sort of accepting of people who

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weren't going as fast as I thought they

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should go, for instance.

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And as time has gone, I've become, I

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think, more empathetic with how, for some people,

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it takes time.

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And we just need to celebrate every step.

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And I think by celebrating small steps like,

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say, Meatless Mondays, for example, we then encourage

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people to take further steps.

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I think if somebody stops eating meat on

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Monday, and they, for example, tell a vegan

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activist, I'm going meatless Monday, you know, a

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younger version of me might have said, well,

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what about Tuesday and the rest of the

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week, you know, and I still may think

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that, but articulating that and sort of dismissing

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this person's desire to do better, I think,

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can have negative consequences in terms of their

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ability and their enthusiasm to make changes.

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So celebrate positive steps, build on those positive

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steps.

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And I think that's a really effective way

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to create change.

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We've got another caller, Nilo Farr in Dallas,

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Texas, your question or thought for Farm Sanctuary's

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Jean Bauer.

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Built a legacy for animal protection work.

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Thank you so much.

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For the sake of argument, the small welfare

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approach, approaches such as Meatless Mondays or Journeys

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Toward Veganism, one can argue that these welfare

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moves have actually turned the animal protection backwards.

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And that's why, you know, we are in

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2024 and we are experiencing massive systematic exploitation

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and killing of animals.

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So in my opinion, I'm with your younger

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years, but yeah, if you could elaborate a

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little bit more on that, coming from an

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abolitionist approach, these welfarist moves have actually taken

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us backwards.

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Thanks.

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Now, good provocative question.

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Yes.

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No, thank you for the question.

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I think it's important for us to have

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these kinds of conversations.

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And I think there is an argument to

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be made for how less bad systems like

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giving animals more space, for example, preventing certain

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of the worst cruelties can be used to

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promote more animal consumption.

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And I think the industry is very quick

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to greenwash and to make conditions sound better

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than they are.

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So we need to be very mindful of

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that.

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But I also believe that working on these

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laws over the years to elevate concerns about

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animals in the food system has helped to

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raise awareness.

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And it is true that we are still

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facing a global crisis in terms of the

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billions of animals who are suffering, also in

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terms of how more and more animal agriculture

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is occurring in more parts of the world.

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And this is a real problem, but also

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the waste.

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So the number of animals raised in the

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U.S. has consistently increased.

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But one of the reasons for that is

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not necessarily that people in the U.S.

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are eating more animals, but that there is

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more food waste and also that more animal

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products are being exported.

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And so it's complicated to make an assertion

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that these welfare reforms have actually caused more

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animals to be harmed.

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But I do believe that we need to

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be very mindful about messaging around welfare reforms.

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So when we have, for example, work to

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ban certain cruel confinement systems, we say that

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animals that are raised in systems where they

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have more space are less bad, but they're

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not good.

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And I think we always need to be

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clear that eating plants instead of animals is

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ultimately what we think makes the most sense.

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And we need to continuously advocate for people

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to eat plants instead of animals.

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So it's a nuanced situation, and we work

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to end cruelty, but also to create a

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vegan world.

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And we need to be mindful about how

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we message around welfare reforms and make sure

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that those do not become a new, still

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inhumane normal.

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The normal that we want to create is

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a vegan world.

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So it's a process.

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And I think these welfare reforms are part

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of that process.

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And what we are doing now at Farm

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Sanctuary is, in addition to supporting laws to

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end some of the worst cruelties, we're really

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leaning into structural changes in the food system

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to try to bring resources out of factory

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farms into plant-based agriculture.

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So that's an area where we're putting a

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lot of energy now and a lot of

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focus.

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We want to work with farmers and encourage

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them and support them in producing plant foods

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instead of animal foods.

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We need to continue educating consumers and addressing

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and challenging myths that factory farms have put

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out forever.

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Myths like factory farming is an efficient way

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to feed the world.

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It absolutely is not.

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Myths like we need meat for protein or

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cow's milk for calcium.

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Those are myths and that's not true.

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So we need to continue to challenge these

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notions that agribusiness continuously puts out there and

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then demonstrate solutions through plant-based agriculture.

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All right.

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And we've got so many callers.

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Let's zip through these.

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Very excited that so many people are calling

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in.

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Lindsay and Tarzana, then followed by Sarah.

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Go ahead, Lindsay.

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Jane, happy birthday.

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I want to say happy birthday.

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And it's an honour to speak to you.

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My question, actually, Paige touched on it and

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also the last caller.

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So I'm going to move to my second

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question.

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A lot of people are kind of moving

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off the grid.

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And I think there's a tendency to people

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wanting to start these micro sanctuaries.

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And Ethan, what would be your advice to

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them?

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Are you for it?

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And what advice could you give them?

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And also for future sanctuary owners, you know,

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young people coming up, what is your advice

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to them?

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Thank you.

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No, thank you for the question.

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I think it's wonderful that more people want

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to provide sanctuary and safety for animals who

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have experienced trauma and suffering.

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My advice to large sanctuaries, small sanctuaries, new

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sanctuaries, any sanctuaries is don't get over your

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head.

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Start small, be very thoughtful and only do

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what you can manage well, because unfortunately, sometimes

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sanctuary operators get over their head and then

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difficult times ensue.

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And we have to acknowledge and recognise the

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fact that as sanctuary operators, we basically live

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in an ethical impossibility.

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Ethically, we must rescue every single one of

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the billion of animals, but practically it's impossible.

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So we need to live with that ethical

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impossibility, do the best we can, help the

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individuals we can and give them the best

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lives possible at sanctuary, but then also work

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on systemic reforms and structural changes.

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So ultimately, there's not going to be a

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need to rescue animals in the first place.

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So that's that's so I would say start

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slow and be very, very thoughtful about not

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getting over your head.

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All right, Sarah, your question or thought for

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G.

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Bauer?

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Oh, my question actually is about education and

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everybody talks about the future of our, you

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know, the children and ones that are in

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school.

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And how do you get the message about

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the farmed animals and all of the stuff?

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How do you get that to the kids

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or how do you get them to do

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field trips or what kind of programmes do

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you think exist for these animal sanctuaries?

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Thank you and happy birthday.

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No, thank you very much.

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And yeah, I think we really need to

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do an awful lot to educate adults and

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also the next generation.

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And at Farm Sanctuary, we have a very

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active humane education programme where people can go

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online and download content for schools or for

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other educational purposes and also visiting the sanctuary

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is something we encourage, you know, children and

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adults and everybody to do to get to

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know these animals as individuals, as friends, not

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as food.

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But education is absolutely important.

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And in addition to education about the sentience

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of other animals, I think we need to

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do education about the benefits of eating plants

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instead of animals, about the inefficiency of animal

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agriculture, how we can feed more people with

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less land and fewer resources through plant based

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agriculture instead of animal agriculture.

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I think we need to raise awareness about

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the many harms of the animal agriculture industry.

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So that is also part of education.

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And we do this through programmes in schools,

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but also through the media, through getting op

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-eds published.

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We've recently done a fair bit to raise

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awareness about avian influenza, bird flu, which has

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killed close to 100 million birds in the

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U.S. so far.

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And so we've gotten that message out in

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mainstream publications.

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So we'll continue doing education in schools and

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also well beyond schools.

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Wow.

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OK, our next caller is Mick Davoudian in

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Los Angeles.

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Your question or thought, Mick?

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you, Jane.

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Hi, Gene.

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I've met you a couple of times in

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the past and it's great talking to you

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today.

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So happy birthday in advance of next week.

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You know, you and I are pretty much

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the same age.

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I went vegetarian as a teenager, but I

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didn't go vegan until about 12 years ago.

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To put it simply, I was just ignorant

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to what was happening in the dairy and

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egg industry.

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So my first question, if you don't mind,

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I have a two parter.

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My first question is, how did you find

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out at such a young age about veganism?

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So you were selling vegan hot dogs and

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so on.

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And then as a follow up to, I

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think Lindsay asked a question about micro sanctuaries.

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So many well-meaning people start sanctuaries without

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necessary knowledge, experience, preparation and, of course, most

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importantly, finances.

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And as you said, they end up in

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a bit of a hole.

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And then those of us who love animals

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are last minute scrambling to help.

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I'm wondering, I would actually love to see

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a programme, maybe such as Farm Sanctuary, who

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has resources, come up with a playbook of

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some sort, maybe, you know, starting a dummy,

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starting a sanctuary for dummies, let's say.

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What are your thoughts on this?

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Yeah, thank you very much for that question.

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People who are interested in starting a sanctuary,

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I encourage to reach out to us here

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at Farm Sanctuary and we'll be happy to

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provide advice and support and and also cautionary

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tales about what should or should not be

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done.

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And, you know, you're raising this question about

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or reminding me about the vegan hot dogs

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we sold at Grateful Dead shows.

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And I forgot to respond to that part

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of the earlier question, like, where did we

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get these hot dogs?

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They were actually Loma Linda Linguettes and Loma

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Linda is connected to the Seventh-day Adventist

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Church, which promotes plant-based eating.

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I think they take that from an interpretation

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of the Bible.

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But wherever there was a Seventh-day Adventist

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Church, we could, you know, often find these

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veggie dogs and they came in cans.

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So they were very easy to travel with.

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And your other question about, you know, my

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going vegan at a fairly young age, I

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early on just started really immersing myself in

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this and started learning about animal agriculture writ

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large and ultimately came to realise that what

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happens to cows on dairy farms or chickens

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and egg production is sometimes worse than what

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happens to other animals that are raised specifically

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for meat.

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And then after being exploited in dairy production,

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for example, the cows are also ultimately slaughtered.

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In the case of chickens exploited for egg

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00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,340
production, they're also killed when they're no longer

544
00:23:55,340 --> 00:23:55,780
profitable.

545
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,740
So those are among the worst, most abusive

546
00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:00,220
industries.

547
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,280
And so I did notice that early on.

548
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,780
And so I went vegan pretty much right

549
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:07,980
after I went vegetarian.

550
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,000
We've got Tiffany in Los Angeles.

551
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,640
Your question or thought for Gene Bauer as

552
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:14,740
he approaches his birthday.

553
00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:18,440
Yes, thank you for taking my call, Jane

554
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,360
and Gene.

555
00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:20,220
Happy birthday.

556
00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:22,900
And I love seeing the old photos way

557
00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:23,640
back in the day.

558
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:25,380
You were so ahead of the times.

559
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:28,180
I wanted to ask you, what's something that

560
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:33,080
that's been a challenge or sort of a

561
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,620
hardship that you weren't expecting that would be

562
00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:38,520
surprising to us or funny with running a

563
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:38,980
sanctuary?

564
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,360
Well, I think that over the years, what

565
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,240
I've observed is just how sort of foreign

566
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,940
this concept of farm animals as friends is

567
00:24:50,940 --> 00:24:51,780
to some people.

568
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,720
And it's been really difficult to see how

569
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,380
they're seen just as commodities, not as living,

570
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,960
feeling creatures and how sometimes veterinarians have been

571
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,320
very slow to provide veterinary care for sick

572
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,400
cows or chickens or pigs because economically, they

573
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,680
didn't think it made sense.

574
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:14,900
And one of the stories I often tell

575
00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:18,460
is about a calf who I found left

576
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:19,600
for dead at a stockyard.

577
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,240
He was sent to the stockyard.

578
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,140
On the day he was born, he was

579
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:25,280
still wet from afterbirth and he was dying

580
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,000
of hypothermia.

581
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,280
I brought him to a nearby veterinarian and

582
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,120
she said, what are you wasting your time

583
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:31,380
for?

584
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,120
It makes no economic sense.

585
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,380
And I had to really convince her that,

586
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,800
you know, to me, this was not about

587
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,400
economics.

588
00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:39,120
This was about trying to help an individual.

589
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,600
She finally gave him the treatment he needed.

590
00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:43,800
And I'm happy to say he recovered and

591
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,000
he his name was Opie.

592
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,020
He ended up weighing close to three thousand

593
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:49,360
pounds and living with us for about 18

594
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:49,760
years.

595
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,960
So but veterinarians who are ideally situated to

596
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,700
provide care for animals and to understand animals

597
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:01,500
are sometimes desensitised in veterinary school.

598
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:05,640
And I studied agricultural economics at Cornell University.

599
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,880
I got a master's degree there and I

600
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,500
went into that programme as a vegan to

601
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:14,180
really get an understanding of how ag students

602
00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:15,480
are indoctrinated.

603
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,920
And I was in an animal science class

604
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,840
and I watched how these young students were

605
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,600
being acculturated to accept certain cruelties to animals.

606
00:26:25,660 --> 00:26:27,180
And I write about this in my book

607
00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:29,760
Farm Sanctuary, Changing Hearts and Minds About Animals

608
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,240
and Food.

609
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:33,960
But just how we are such social animals

610
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,100
and we're very much impacted by the social

611
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:38,680
ecosystem we are in.

612
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,640
And and so that is a challenge.

613
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,100
And and it's the the the reality we

614
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:46,820
live with.

615
00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:48,840
And so we need to start creating a

616
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,020
new kind of ecosystem, a new way of

617
00:26:51,020 --> 00:26:52,300
interacting with other animals.

618
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,500
And this is where I think sanctuaries are

619
00:26:54,500 --> 00:26:58,560
so important because we walk the talk of

620
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,880
looking at other animals as our friends, not

621
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,320
our food.

622
00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:03,000
They are fellow earthlings.

623
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,720
They're co-inhabitants of this earth, co-creators

624
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,200
of our ultimate reality.

625
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,520
Right.

626
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
And so how do we live with them

627
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,180
in a mutually respectful way?

628
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,020
And that concept is something that is very

629
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:17,920
foreign to many people, unfortunately.

630
00:27:18,460 --> 00:27:21,620
And there are also biases that we have

631
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:24,500
in society that are sometimes invisible to us

632
00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:28,360
and negative stereotypes about other animals.

633
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:30,880
And a couple of examples are when we

634
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,320
call somebody a pig, it's a put down

635
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,380
for the person, but it's an inherent put

636
00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:37,280
down of a pig or pigs.

637
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,660
Being called a turkey similarly is not a

638
00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:41,000
compliment.

639
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,680
So there are these subtle ways that we

640
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,420
routinely denigrate victims of our abuse.

641
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:51,920
And and this this has become normalised.

642
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:53,820
So we're just that's one of the big

643
00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:58,720
challenges is to undo that indoctrination.

644
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,580
Well, very well said.

645
00:28:01,660 --> 00:28:03,040
We're going to have our last caller and

646
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,380
then cut it off because I have some

647
00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:05,260
questions myself.

648
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Annie in Sherman Oaks, your question for Jean

649
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,720
Bauer of Farm Sanctuary.

650
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:12,560
Hi, thank you, Jane.

651
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:14,280
Thank you so much for the show and

652
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,960
happy, happy birthday, Jean.

653
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:19,400
I met you multiple times and your fur

654
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,460
babies that you've rescued are incredible experience.

655
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:24,620
I just can't get enough.

656
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,680
I just have a parting anxiety when I

657
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,120
have to leave.

658
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600
But I know they're in amazing hands.

659
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,460
One of the things that bothers me is

660
00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:40,580
we know the fact that animal agriculture has

661
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:44,620
very strong hold like a mob on our

662
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:45,100
government.

663
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,700
How and in what way we can expedite

664
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,860
to to do this change now.

665
00:28:53,980 --> 00:28:56,460
And I know subsidy is enormous part of

666
00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:56,560
it.

667
00:28:56,620 --> 00:28:59,700
And subsidies are taxed billions of dollars from

668
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:01,360
our tax is used against.

669
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:01,760
All right.

670
00:29:01,820 --> 00:29:02,820
And the animals.

671
00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:04,020
Good question.

672
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,840
How do we end the subsidies?

673
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:07,780
Thank you, Annie.

674
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:09,120
Yes.

675
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,380
No, thank you for that question.

676
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,840
So right now, the Farm Bill is being

677
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,000
discussed in Washington, D.C. This legislation allocates

678
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,720
hundreds of billions of dollars.

679
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
And so we're urging that that money stop

680
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,260
going to factory farms.

681
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,740
And we're also just trying to defend certain

682
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:27,440
humane laws that we've gotten passed.

683
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,260
But it's going to be a long term.

684
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:35,580
Struggle, I'm sorry to say, and so there

685
00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:37,340
are some things that we have a lot

686
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:40,720
more control over, and that includes our own

687
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,020
dietary choices, so each of us every day

688
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:46,520
can make important choices that do ultimately make

689
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,880
a difference, especially when they start adding up.

690
00:29:48,940 --> 00:29:52,340
So eating plant based and living a vegan

691
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:55,140
lifestyle and encouraging others to do so or

692
00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:57,900
to reduce their consumption of animal products are

693
00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:59,880
all very important steps we can make.

694
00:30:00,420 --> 00:30:04,220
And also, we live in a democracy which

695
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:05,960
is a participatory sport.

696
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,500
So we also do need to engage there

697
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:09,820
to the extent we can.

698
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,120
At the very least, we should write to

699
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,880
our elected officials, let them know our concerns

700
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680
and what we feel should be done from

701
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,760
a policy standpoint.

702
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,400
And to start really digging into agricultural policy,

703
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:25,760
whether it has to do with animal cruelty,

704
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:32,240
climate issues, resource issues, environmental destruction, and weigh

705
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,920
in and advocate for a plant based food

706
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,580
system instead of an animal agriculture food system.

707
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:39,580
And people can go to the Farm Sanctuary

708
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:43,440
website, farmsanctuary.org, and there's a take action

709
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,720
button there where people can click on that

710
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,660
take action button.

711
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:48,560
It'll take you to a page with a

712
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,020
few different things you can do to make

713
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:50,500
a difference.

714
00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:51,300
Absolutely.

715
00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:53,100
And join Farm Sanctuary.

716
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,800
Well, we're going to have one bonus caller,

717
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:59,100
Michelle, in Los Angeles, and that's it because

718
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:00,860
I got some questions for you to go

719
00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:01,380
ahead, Michelle.

720
00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:03,940
Hi, Jane.

721
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Hi, Jane.

722
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,940
Happy birthday in advance.

723
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:11,200
It's so inspiring to listen to you speak,

724
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,640
and I just wanted you to know, Jane

725
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,920
told me a while back that you have

726
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,940
this thing that we need to meet people

727
00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:19,700
where they are.

728
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,140
And I wanted to know from you, I

729
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:25,380
have lots of friends and family who are

730
00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:26,140
not vegan.

731
00:31:26,460 --> 00:31:29,460
And every time I talk to them, just

732
00:31:29,460 --> 00:31:32,940
recently, one of my besties, he was like,

733
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,020
I can't talk to you.

734
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:35,080
You're too intense.

735
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,280
And I keep thinking, like, we need to

736
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,580
meet them where they are.

737
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,680
And that's what I'm trying to do.

738
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,140
What are some tips that you have done

739
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:44,900
with your family and friends who are not

740
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:46,060
vegan or vegetarian?

741
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,420
Now, those are all very important questions and

742
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:53,160
challenges many of us face as vegans.

743
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:54,700
So one of the things I do is

744
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:56,540
I take long walks and I try to

745
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:59,720
take deep breaths when I start getting upset

746
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
about the harm that human beings cause to

747
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,840
the earth and to other animals.

748
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,840
And when a loved one or somebody I

749
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,180
care about is participating in this, it can

750
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:15,280
sometimes be hard to know how best to

751
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,880
deal with it.

752
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:18,420
But I think at the bottom of all

753
00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:21,880
of this is our ability and our desire

754
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,920
to empathise with others.

755
00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:27,340
And when we talk about speaking to people

756
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:30,160
where they are on their own journeys, it

757
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,420
requires that we have empathy to understand where

758
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:37,440
they are on their own journeys and understand

759
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,920
why perhaps, for whatever reason that we don't

760
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,220
know, they're not able to make these choices

761
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:47,220
or not willing to consider these issues.

762
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,940
And I think one of the underpinning factors

763
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:50,880
is fear.

764
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:52,220
People are afraid.

765
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,800
They're afraid of change.

766
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,840
They're afraid that they're not going to get

767
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000
the nutrients they need because they've been sort

768
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
of bombarded with messaging from the meat and

769
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,700
dairy industries.

770
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,420
They're afraid that they're not going to enjoy

771
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:03,920
the food.

772
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,160
So I think whatever we can do to

773
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,100
dispel some of those fears and to provide

774
00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:09,780
support.

775
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:13,540
And sometimes this is as simple as bringing

776
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:15,980
a great vegan dish to their home or

777
00:33:15,980 --> 00:33:18,080
to an event and showing them how tasty

778
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,180
vegan food can be.

779
00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:22,560
That's one way to help assuage some of

780
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,100
those fears.

781
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,500
But it's a complicated issue.

782
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:31,520
And for us as activists, it's important to

783
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:37,020
recognise how our communication and how our approach

784
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:41,160
affects others and to try to communicate in

785
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,040
a way that's ultimately going to engage people

786
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240
and interest them instead of turning them away.

787
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320
And so, again, getting back to empathy, what

788
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,680
is important to this other person I'm speaking

789
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:53,920
with?

790
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,660
Are they worried about their health?

791
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:58,280
If so, as vegans, we have an awful

792
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,980
lot we can share with them that will

793
00:33:59,980 --> 00:34:00,440
be helpful.

794
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,780
Are they concerned about the environment and what's

795
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:04,980
happening with the climate crisis?

796
00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:07,400
Again, there's an awful lot we can share

797
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,060
with them that will be helpful and relevant

798
00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:09,460
to them.

799
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,580
Do they care about animals and the suffering

800
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:12,460
animals experience?

801
00:34:13,060 --> 00:34:14,480
Again, there's a lot we can share there.

802
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:20,900
So sharing relevant, useful information with others is,

803
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,159
I think, really important.

804
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,620
And sometimes it means that we have to

805
00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:26,840
take a walk or take a deep breath

806
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,639
and understand, OK, what is it that is

807
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,760
important to this other person and do the

808
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,960
best we can to reach them in an

809
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,280
empathetic way that speaks to them where they

810
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,620
are.

811
00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:42,480
And over the years, I've had some heated

812
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,400
conversations with family members and others.

813
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,440
And as time has gone, I still have

814
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,159
the same feelings that I've always had.

815
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,620
But I try to communicate in a way

816
00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:56,320
that's going to be more engaging and is

817
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,800
going to open up opportunities to find common

818
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:00,240
ground.

819
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,980
And if we can find common ground, we

820
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,560
have an awful lot to build from.

821
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,820
So finding commonality instead of differences, I think,

822
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,460
really important.

823
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:11,720
Oh, wow.

824
00:35:11,740 --> 00:35:13,040
That is so beautifully said.

825
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,500
Let's take a brief break and introduce you

826
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:18,760
to the platform you're watching on Shane TV.

827
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,920
So it's a vegan Netflix.

828
00:35:21,180 --> 00:35:23,040
OK, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

829
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,240
I love Unchained TV.

830
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,260
Your life will change.

831
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,460
It's just that easy.

832
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,280
Unchained TV has all sorts of content for

833
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:31,760
everybody.

834
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,220
Unchained TV changed my life.

835
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,340
Unchained TV is crushing it.

836
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,000
I love Unchained TV.

837
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,000
Unchained TV is my go to.

838
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,100
Unchained TV.

839
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,100
Who knew?

840
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:45,480
Unchained, baby, yeah.

841
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,300
And just to remind you, we are talking

842
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,960
to Gene Bauer, the co-founder and president

843
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,100
of Farm Sanctuary.

844
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,300
And you're just looking at one of the

845
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:08,120
hundreds of rescue videos that they've put out

846
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,280
because they've done thousands of rescues.

847
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,560
So, Gene, I was hoping that you would

848
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,200
tell us a little bit about this rescue

849
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,120
of 10 cows and how Farm Sanctuary moved

850
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,300
into action when you found out there was

851
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:25,040
a farm in Vermont.

852
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:28,320
There were 10 cows left behind when the

853
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,240
farm was sold.

854
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,760
People were telling the woman who bought it,

855
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,340
go to send them to slaughter.

856
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,500
She didn't want to.

857
00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:37,660
She called you and you moved these animals

858
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:39,720
out and saved their lives.

859
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Tell us this one.

860
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,980
Yes, well, you know, we have a very

861
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:46,540
robust shelter operation.

862
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:50,360
We have transported animals across the country, which

863
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,700
is one of the things that we're able

864
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:53,980
to do when there are animals in need

865
00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:57,040
in one area and then a home in

866
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:57,820
another area.

867
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
And as you alluded to, so often what

868
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,640
happens when it comes to farm animals is

869
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,520
they are not seen as living, feeling creatures.

870
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,020
They are seen as commodities, as saleable products.

871
00:37:12,580 --> 00:37:16,140
And so when they're no longer profitable for

872
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:19,600
a farmer or whoever, they're oftentimes just taken

873
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,060
to slaughter, which is the routine.

874
00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:25,580
And for Farm Sanctuary, these animals are not

875
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:26,260
just commodities.

876
00:37:26,860 --> 00:37:27,960
They're sentient beings.

877
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200
They're living, feeling individuals who deserve kindness.

878
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:33,340
And so in this case, it was wonderful

879
00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:35,960
to bring them to the sanctuary from Vermont

880
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,340
to Alabama to enjoy a good life and

881
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:43,440
to be valued for the individuals they are

882
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,060
instead of being looked at only as commodities.

883
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:48,660
So that's fundamental to the message at Farm

884
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:51,180
Sanctuary and with our rescue work is that

885
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:53,200
these animals, their lives matter.

886
00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:55,660
And we need to do everything we can

887
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:59,900
to help honour that, provide sanctuary and ultimately

888
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:03,440
in our big dream to replace slaughter with

889
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,900
sanctuary.

890
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,680
Well said.

891
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:08,500
I do have to be a little provocative

892
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:12,020
here because it's one thing to be patient

893
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:14,900
with people, but the clock is ticking.

894
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,860
Climate change is getting exponentially worse and we're

895
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:20,480
just in the appetiser section.

896
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:22,000
The main course hasn't hit us.

897
00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:24,480
You have the news media that is completely

898
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,460
co-opted by the meat dairy pharmaceutical industry.

899
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,260
They basically, in my opinion, just play catastrophe

900
00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:32,740
porn.

901
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:35,500
You know, people dying, houses going up in

902
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,780
flames, floods, fires.

903
00:38:37,020 --> 00:38:41,180
But when there's a solution that is very

904
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:43,660
obvious, that is even in a paper of

905
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:47,360
note, I want to put this one up

906
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,180
for a second.

907
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,820
New York Times, save the planet, put down

908
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:53,360
that hamburger.

909
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:56,980
Researchers examined the diets of 55,500 people

910
00:38:56,980 --> 00:39:00,160
and found that vegans are responsible for 75

911
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,380
percent less in greenhouse gases than meat eaters.

912
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:09,120
So it doesn't take a highly qualified mathematician

913
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,920
to realise, well, if everybody went plant based,

914
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:16,300
we could collectively reduce our greenhouse gas emissions

915
00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:20,300
by 75 percent, thereby effectively solving the climate

916
00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:20,800
crisis.

917
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,300
Nobody picked up on this story.

918
00:39:23,380 --> 00:39:27,760
Not CNN, not MSNBC, not any of the

919
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,560
major networks.

920
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,200
So they are ignoring the solutions.

921
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,140
You have the accelerating problem of climate change.

922
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:42,440
And so where does patience factor in when

923
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,000
you're dealing with a ticking, essentially a ticking

924
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,700
time bomb?

925
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,300
No, it's a really important question, Jane.

926
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,560
And I'm completely with you in terms of

927
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,080
the urgency of this.

928
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,180
And I think we need to be very

929
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:58,640
explicit that animal agriculture is causing all of

930
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,460
these enormous, disastrous consequences.

931
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,700
And like you also said, mainstream media did

932
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:07,640
not pick this up.

933
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,620
And that's why I'm so glad about your

934
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:13,960
network here, where you are reaching people with

935
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,900
a message that needs to be heard.

936
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,860
And I think that this kind of media

937
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:21,080
programming needs to get out a hell of

938
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,060
a lot more than it is.

939
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,140
So please go to Unchained TV and encourage

940
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:26,920
other people to to support this.

941
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,780
But but I think that how do we

942
00:40:29,780 --> 00:40:30,520
create change?

943
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,680
I think it's going to be a diverse,

944
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,680
diverse approaches.

945
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:35,400
And so Farm Sanctuary has one approach.

946
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,140
There are other organisations that might be doing

947
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:41,360
things a little bit more edgy and risky.

948
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:43,060
And I fully support that.

949
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,340
I think that we need this, that and

950
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:48,760
many other approaches to creating change.

951
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,040
We need to appeal to the widest audiences

952
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,640
possible, but really do need to impress upon

953
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,060
folks just how urgent these issues are.

954
00:40:57,140 --> 00:41:00,080
And so you have individual animals whose lives

955
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,140
are horrible every day.

956
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,040
That's an urgent problem.

957
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,720
You have the climate crisis.

958
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,720
You have the loss of ecosystems.

959
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:11,180
You have wildlife that's that's that's suffering and

960
00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:11,500
dying.

961
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,200
You have people who are eating food that's

962
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,040
making them sick.

963
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,880
You know, there are so many issues tied

964
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,700
into our food system and the way we

965
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:21,540
eat in this country.

966
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:25,020
And so in one sense, we have many

967
00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:27,100
opportunities to reach wide audiences.

968
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:30,180
But I think there's different messages that will

969
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:31,960
appeal to different audiences and we just need

970
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,200
to put them all out there.

971
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:34,940
And but I hear you on the urgency

972
00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:39,660
and and I just want to do whatever

973
00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:42,760
I can to the best to the best

974
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,700
possible effect.

975
00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:46,700
And I'm always willing to to learn and

976
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:48,720
make adjustments as I as I learn more.

977
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:50,800
But but I hear you.

978
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,840
This is an urgent situation and we need

979
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,900
all hands on deck.

980
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,220
And, you know, the bird flu is a

981
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:58,240
growing threat.

982
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,980
I just read an article in The New

983
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:03,480
York Times today that really outlined that it

984
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,060
has jumped to human beings and that basically

985
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:10,080
the essence of the article is that the

986
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,520
government isn't really responding to the potential of

987
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,260
crisis and that it could be growing sort

988
00:42:19,260 --> 00:42:22,880
of amongst us without us even realising that

989
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,220
we just got through a pandemic.

990
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:27,320
And we know how horrific it is.

991
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,080
And it was zoonotic no matter what, where

992
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,740
you think it started in a lab or

993
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:33,500
at a wet market.

994
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,340
Animals were being exploited and it it doesn't

995
00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:39,180
come out of thin air.

996
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:41,760
These are zoonotic problems.

997
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,380
And now we have yet another one on

998
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:45,720
the heels of the covid pandemic rising up

999
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,700
as a potential threat.

1000
00:42:46,820 --> 00:42:49,540
You'd think that would get the attention of

1001
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:50,040
lawmakers.

1002
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,680
But nevertheless, it seems like the lawmakers in

1003
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,360
charge of the Farm Bill right now, which

1004
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,680
is going to decide the government's position and

1005
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,380
the amount of subsidies to animal agriculture for

1006
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:08,300
five years going forward, that they are still

1007
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:09,340
not getting the message.

1008
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,900
They're still marching in lockstep like factory farming

1009
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,220
is the best thing since sliced bread when

1010
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:16,440
it's creating all these threats.

1011
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:18,840
You're 100 percent right.

1012
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:21,040
You know, bird flu has killed nearly 100

1013
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,280
million birds in this country.

1014
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,800
It's jumped from birds to cows and it's

1015
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,840
jumped from cows now to people.

1016
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:29,960
And, you know, it's really good that there

1017
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,880
is some media coverage, but there needs to

1018
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,380
be an awful lot more.

1019
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,580
And I am happy to say that that

1020
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:37,060
I was able to get three op eds

1021
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:38,760
published working with my team here at Farm

1022
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,960
Sanctuary, one on MSNBC, one in the San

1023
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,900
Francisco Chronicle, one in the Des Moines Register,

1024
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:48,160
all talking about bird flu and how when

1025
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,180
we treat other animals badly like we do

1026
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:53,460
in the food system, then there are these

1027
00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:57,440
greater threats of diseases jumping from other animals

1028
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,680
to human beings.

1029
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,480
But like you say, agribusiness is very linked

1030
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,900
into government agencies and they do tend to

1031
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,680
see things similarly and to defend the status

1032
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:11,900
quo.

1033
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,020
So we need to continue working to undo

1034
00:44:14,020 --> 00:44:18,260
the status quo, challenging irresponsible conduct in the

1035
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:22,620
animal agriculture industry and also building alternatives.

1036
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,200
And this is where some of this all

1037
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,480
protein stuff, I think, could be very positive.

1038
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,540
I think also more sustainable, regenerative plant-based

1039
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:33,040
agriculture is critically important.

1040
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:36,500
So if we can create access to land

1041
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:38,940
for farmers who want to do plant-based

1042
00:44:38,940 --> 00:44:41,480
instead of exploiting animals, that is an important

1043
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,080
way to shift resources out of animal agriculture

1044
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,760
to plant-based agriculture.

1045
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:49,780
And again, the subsidies from the USDA, unfortunately,

1046
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:53,100
the vast majority go now to support the

1047
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,160
factory farming industry.

1048
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,220
But we can start shifting a million here,

1049
00:44:57,620 --> 00:45:00,600
five million there, and over time, incrementally, hopefully

1050
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,680
build that up.

1051
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:04,920
But we're going up against the system that's

1052
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,440
very entrenched and it's going to take time.

1053
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:10,300
It's going to take time.

1054
00:45:10,420 --> 00:45:12,500
So we'll work in Washington, we'll work at

1055
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,200
state capitals.

1056
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,520
But a lot of the real change actually

1057
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,020
happens at the local level with people actually

1058
00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:20,420
growing food themselves.

1059
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:23,220
There's a food not lawns movement where people

1060
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:26,100
are actually starting to grow crops and vegetables

1061
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:27,960
where they used to have a lawn.

1062
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,260
And if you think about the resource of

1063
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:34,380
land and lawns, we have more land in

1064
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:36,640
lawns in this country than we use to

1065
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,820
grow fruits and vegetables.

1066
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,440
Now, that's kind of crazy.

1067
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,000
If all those lawns were growing produce, we

1068
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,980
would have an abundance in communities and areas

1069
00:45:45,980 --> 00:45:48,700
where we probably need a lot of healthy

1070
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,000
plant based food and we could also create

1071
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,920
jobs instead of a gardener basically pushing a

1072
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,720
lawnmower and putting down fertiliser.

1073
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:59,840
The gardener would actually be a gardener and

1074
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,560
become a farmer.

1075
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,680
And that's skilled labour that should be recognised

1076
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,280
as well.

1077
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,440
And then you have enough of these gardeners

1078
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,940
growing food instead of lawns and communities.

1079
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,200
Now you can have a local food hub

1080
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,440
or a farmer's market and business opportunity.

1081
00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:16,880
So we have there are opportunities in front

1082
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,780
of us, but a lot of this is

1083
00:46:18,780 --> 00:46:20,980
going to happen at the local level where

1084
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:24,260
you just have resilience and creativity and innovation

1085
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:26,340
and communities working together.

1086
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,680
That that's the type of thing that gives

1087
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:28,440
me a lot of hope.

1088
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:29,200
Yeah.

1089
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,500
And Jeff Bezos, one of the richest men

1090
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,940
in the world, recently, I heard reportedly gave

1091
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:38,220
one hundred million dollars to alternative protein development.

1092
00:46:38,220 --> 00:46:41,400
We know that Bill Gates said publicly he

1093
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,500
was on CNN saying we have to transition

1094
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:44,800
to synthetic meat.

1095
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,220
Unfortunately, he was mocked right on camera, which

1096
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:48,140
is disappointing.

1097
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:50,180
But the point is that some of the

1098
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:52,580
smartest, richest people in the world are starting

1099
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:56,240
to realise what's obvious, that this system is

1100
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,580
completely unsustainable.

1101
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,420
The clock's ticking and we have to do

1102
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:00,120
something soon.

1103
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,400
I want to get back to your core

1104
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,000
mission is to realise that these animals are

1105
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,260
friends, not food.

1106
00:47:07,380 --> 00:47:11,760
Let's meet two pigs who were rescued by

1107
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Farm Sanctuary and learn a little bit about

1108
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,960
their personalities.

1109
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,220
In general, they're very, very similar to puppies.

1110
00:47:19,820 --> 00:47:23,860
Lizzie is definitely the more exuberant of the

1111
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:28,080
pair, is very inquisitive, very curious, while Robbie

1112
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,360
is definitely more laid back and calm.

1113
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Lizzie and Robbie were both originally rescued from

1114
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,780
a cruelty case by the FLSPCA.

1115
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,400
The animals there were malnourished.

1116
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:45,080
They lacked basic shelter, food and water.

1117
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:47,920
And as the FLSPCA did not have a

1118
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,040
proper setup for long term pig care, they

1119
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:51,920
came to us.

1120
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,540
When they first came to the shelter, they

1121
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:59,000
were both incredibly sweet and gentle, which most

1122
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,560
likely comes from the fact that they'd only

1123
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,280
really been around humans for most of their

1124
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:03,500
life.

1125
00:48:03,980 --> 00:48:07,560
So they're very, very social, very sweet, love

1126
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,400
nothing more than each other, never very far

1127
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,220
away from one another.

1128
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,120
As much as they love each other, they

1129
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,000
also very much enjoy their fellow pig friends.

1130
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,300
Often at night, they'll all be in a

1131
00:48:21,300 --> 00:48:23,500
big snuggle puddle together in the straw, which

1132
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:24,280
is very sweet.

1133
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,240
They also love interactions with their humans.

1134
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,760
They love scratches and belly rubs and obviously

1135
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,380
snacks.

1136
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:33,740
Big fans of snacks.

1137
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,920
And I want to say that that video

1138
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,380
is streaming on Unchained TV.

1139
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:43,520
We are very, very thrilled that Farm Sanctuary

1140
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,020
was one of the first to say, oh,

1141
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,440
you want to create a channel for us

1142
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,240
on Unchained TV?

1143
00:48:47,420 --> 00:48:47,920
Absolutely.

1144
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:50,440
And that's what I love about Farm Sanctuary.

1145
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,720
Just absolutely generous on all fronts to share

1146
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,420
the information so that we can all move

1147
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:57,820
together.

1148
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,760
So, Gene, clearly those pigs are actually smarter

1149
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,380
than dogs.

1150
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:06,520
Not that intelligence should be the criterion that

1151
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,140
we use to decide whether or not to

1152
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:08,920
torture a being.

1153
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:12,580
But the point is that they are so

1154
00:49:12,580 --> 00:49:15,040
much like dogs and Americans love their dogs.

1155
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:17,800
How do we bridge that gap?

1156
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:20,680
Dogs, I think, sometimes are the gateway drug

1157
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,540
to, and I use that as a humorous

1158
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:28,200
term, the gateway to compassion to other animals.

1159
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,860
No, I think it's true.

1160
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:32,400
Many people who spend their lives with dogs

1161
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,260
or with cats get to know them as

1162
00:49:34,260 --> 00:49:37,540
individuals with personalities who actually dream.

1163
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:37,800
Right.

1164
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:39,880
When our dogs or cats are sleeping, we

1165
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,280
see their face twitching, their paws twitching.

1166
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:43,100
They're dreaming.

1167
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:44,820
You know, when you go into the pig

1168
00:49:44,820 --> 00:49:47,800
barn and the pigs are sleeping, they're also

1169
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,920
dreaming and their faces are twitching and their

1170
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:50,740
paws are moving.

1171
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,060
So, you know, they're not that different.

1172
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:55,440
And which animals we consider to be our

1173
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,920
friends and which ones we consider to be

1174
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,660
our food are really quite arbitrary.

1175
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,100
Like in some countries, they don't eat cows,

1176
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:03,740
for example.

1177
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
And in other countries, they eat cats and

1178
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:06,840
dogs.

1179
00:50:06,980 --> 00:50:09,480
And people in the U.S. are appalled

1180
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,040
that other people in other countries would eat

1181
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:12,920
cats and dogs.

1182
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,820
But at the end of the day, these

1183
00:50:14,820 --> 00:50:16,900
are all living, feeling beings.

1184
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:20,140
They all deserve to be treated with kindness.

1185
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:22,840
And if we can live well without killing

1186
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,900
other animals and without harming other animals, why

1187
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:26,440
wouldn't we?

1188
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,340
And that's really what the sanctuary is about.

1189
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:31,480
It's just trying to demonstrate that these animals

1190
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,140
share this earth with us.

1191
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:35,620
They want to enjoy their time here like

1192
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:36,620
we all do.

1193
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:39,540
And it's also true that when we treat

1194
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:42,620
other animals with kindness, it actually benefits our

1195
00:50:42,620 --> 00:50:43,400
own lives.

1196
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,780
You know, being at a sanctuary is a

1197
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:50,060
much more joyful, positive experience than visiting a

1198
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:50,740
slaughterhouse.

1199
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,060
You know, you go into these slaughterhouses or

1200
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:56,580
these factory farms and the stress and the

1201
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:59,240
fear and the pain is palpable.

1202
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,680
And you come to a sanctuary and it's

1203
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,460
really the opposite.

1204
00:51:02,580 --> 00:51:06,800
The sanctuary is a salve, an alternative to

1205
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,320
this slaughter industry.

1206
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:11,440
And I think most people would rather be

1207
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,200
at a sanctuary than at a slaughterhouse.

1208
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,340
Most people would rather eat food that is

1209
00:51:16,340 --> 00:51:19,440
nourishing instead of food that makes us sick,

1210
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,360
like this standard American diet.

1211
00:51:21,740 --> 00:51:23,380
And most people would rather live on a

1212
00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:26,880
planet where we have clean air, clean water,

1213
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:29,340
a healthy climate, healthy ecosystems.

1214
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:32,100
And the solution to all of these issues

1215
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,780
is to eat plants instead of animals.

1216
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,680
I mean, that's the thing that, as we

1217
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,580
only have a couple of minutes left, that

1218
00:51:41,580 --> 00:51:45,240
that makes me so perplexed and frankly, a

1219
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:50,860
little bit, sometimes I'm not hopeful because the

1220
00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:55,100
answer is so obvious and otherwise brilliant people,

1221
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,980
otherwise brilliant people can't see what's staring them

1222
00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:01,040
right in the face, is that there is

1223
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,560
one behaviour that is causing a huge percentage

1224
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,840
of the problems that's facing our world.

1225
00:52:09,140 --> 00:52:12,020
If you talk about human world hunger, well,

1226
00:52:12,420 --> 00:52:15,540
depending on how you calculate it, either a

1227
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:17,300
huge or most of the food we're producing

1228
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:20,440
is fed to the 80 billion plus land

1229
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,220
animals that we're killing every year for food.

1230
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:26,160
So if we directed the 85 percent of

1231
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,960
soy that's fed to farmed animals and similar

1232
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,780
amounts of corn and directed to starving people,

1233
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,220
we could solve world hunger.

1234
00:52:33,780 --> 00:52:36,180
You know, you're talking about climate change.

1235
00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:40,320
We've already discussed just on the surface that

1236
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,300
animal agriculture is a massive contributor to climate

1237
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,740
change and is part of the solution with

1238
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:48,540
rewilding, which would trees absorb carbon.

1239
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,060
And, you know, you're talking about preventable lifestyle

1240
00:52:52,060 --> 00:52:54,060
diseases like heart disease and cancer.

1241
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,060
Those are connected.

1242
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,060
Processed meat is officially cancer causing.

1243
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,040
Red meat is a likely carcinogen.

1244
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,140
You know, you just want to pull your

1245
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:10,060
hair out when people who understand the nuances

1246
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:12,380
of things that are so complex that go

1247
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:15,040
right over my head can't see that right

1248
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,420
there is the solution staring us in the

1249
00:53:18,420 --> 00:53:21,000
face to most of our problems, not to

1250
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,660
mention societal violence, because violence breeds violence.

1251
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,940
And when we become callous to the violence

1252
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:29,420
we inflict daily on animals, then we open

1253
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:31,180
the door to violence against humans.

1254
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:32,480
Your final thought.

1255
00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:33,920
We've got about a minute left.

1256
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,960
I'm I'm 100 percent with you there, Jane.

1257
00:53:37,020 --> 00:53:38,320
It is perplexing.

1258
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,600
And, you know, we are living in a

1259
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,820
way that is bad for ourselves, bad for

1260
00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:44,680
other animals, bad for the planet.

1261
00:53:45,060 --> 00:53:48,800
It's violent, it's cruel and it's completely unnecessary

1262
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,160
and it's totally irrational.

1263
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,240
But human beings are not rational animals.

1264
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,420
Unfortunately, we're very social animals.

1265
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,040
We tend to do what those around us

1266
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:57,400
do.

1267
00:53:57,580 --> 00:54:00,060
And sadly, we've seen what that's done over

1268
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:04,840
history, the enormous social harms that certain groups

1269
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,180
have perpetuated against other groups, whether human or

1270
00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:08,700
non-human.

1271
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,940
That's happening now with animal agriculture.

1272
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,340
And the good news is each of us

1273
00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:15,440
can make a difference by changing the way

1274
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,060
we eat.

1275
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:18,920
But also each of us can be ambassadors

1276
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,240
for a way of living that is more

1277
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:25,360
compassionate and ultimately more human and healthy and

1278
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,200
more empathetic.

1279
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,700
I think one of the worst problems with

1280
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,260
animal agriculture, and you alluded to it, is

1281
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:32,960
how violence creates violence.

1282
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,100
When we treat those without power badly, that

1283
00:54:37,100 --> 00:54:39,620
callousness and that lack of empathy tends to

1284
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:40,040
spread.

1285
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:42,940
But on the other hand, kindness can also

1286
00:54:42,940 --> 00:54:44,420
become contagious and spread.

1287
00:54:44,500 --> 00:54:45,860
So that's the hope I hold on to.

1288
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,760
Well, that's a great way to end this

1289
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:48,200
broadcast.

1290
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:50,980
I am so honoured that you took time

1291
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:52,200
to speak to us.

1292
00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:53,620
You are our hero.

1293
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,460
We love you.

1294
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,040
And we do hope you come back soon

1295
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,300
when we've achieved a plant-based world.

1296
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,100
Thank you so much, everybody.

1297
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:04,380
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00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:07,500
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