UnchainedTV: HELP! American Couple Needs Help Caring for 100+ Chimps

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Now, here's your host, Jane Valez Mitchell.

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Welcome, we have breaking news for you.

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This is an extraordinary story.

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We are going live to Africa, where we

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are going to meet the Desmonds, who are

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taking care of more than a hundred chimps.

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These chimps are orphaned from the bushmeat trade,

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from the illegal wildlife trade.

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Now, they were asked back in 2015 to

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go to Liberia, which is in Africa, to

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save the lives of 66 chimpanzees abandoned after

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biomedical research.

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Well, they got there, they thought they'd be

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there for about a month, and guess what

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happened?

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People started coming to them with chimps that

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they had rescued from the illegal wildlife trade.

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Look at these innocent beings, these angels.

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Those are actually the chimps that were used

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in biomedical research.

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Here are some of the orphaned chimps.

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And so they stayed, and now 10 years

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later, they have about 115 chimps in their

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care, and dozens of employees in neighbouring villages.

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They need help.

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Now, they were on a fantastic three-part

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BBC series about their conservation and rescue work.

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That brought them some donations, but those donations

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have run out, and they keep getting inundated

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with these innocent angels, and they need help.

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They have to raise many thousands of dollars

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before the end of the year.

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These are hungry mouths to feed.

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So without further ado, we're gonna go straight

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out to Africa Live and talk to the

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one and only Dr. Jim Desmond and Jenny

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Desmond, who are there with a baby chimp.

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Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

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This is Grace.

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Can you hold her up a little bit?

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Seeing her from over the banner, thank you.

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Look at little Grace, look at that.

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Go ahead.

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Gracie.

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She's tired.

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It's her bedtime.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's actually dark over here, believe it or

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not.

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Let's cut right to the chase.

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We're gonna get your fascinating backstory in a

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second, but what help do you need?

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How many chimps are you taking care of,

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and how can we help?

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Well, we have 115 chimpanzees, and that we've

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rescued over the last almost 10 years.

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And we're sort of bursting at the seams.

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We're sort of desperate for cash.

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We built an entire sanctuary, thanks to a

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lot of amazing help from donors.

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But we need to expand the sanctuary, and

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we also need help with operations.

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So it costs about $40,000 a month

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to run the sanctuary, so almost half a

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million dollars a year.

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And then to expand the sanctuary, it's gonna

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take another probably $750,000.

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So about a million dollars is what we

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need that will help us get through the

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next year, get 250 to the end of

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the year, but then another 750 to build

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the infrastructure we need.

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So that will give the chimps, a lot

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of the young ones get to go to

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the forest every day, but some of our

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older ones don't have access until we build

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this next phase of the sanctuary.

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Of infrastructure.

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And I wanna put up immediately where you

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can donate.

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You can go to LiberiaChimpanzeeRescue.org forward slash

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donate.

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We're gonna put this up throughout the hour.

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Look at that angel.

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These are babies.

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Tell me about this little girl, Grace.

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So Grace has a great story, actually.

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She's our little miracle baby.

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I mean, we actually have quite a few

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miracles here because as you know, all of

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the chimps who arrived here, their mothers were

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killed.

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So they're all orphans and they've all witnessed

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great trauma.

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So they're all miracles that they recover and

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decide to live and are happy.

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But Grace, in particular, she arrived and half

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of her was really quickly realised she was

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very weak, but as she was getting stronger

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mentally and physically, we realised her left side

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was completely paralysed.

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So what we think happened is she got

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an injury when her mom was shot because

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a lot of times they get shrapnel and

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pellets in their bodies.

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And then we think since she couldn't move,

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the people who had her just put her

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in a box and left her there for

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probably months or a year or however long

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she was there.

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Yeah, I know.

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And so by the time she got to

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us, she was not only paralysed, but it's

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like she had forgotten she even had an

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arm or a leg.

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And we just didn't know if she was

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gonna, we didn't know if she'd survive, but

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we figured once she was strong enough to

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survive, then we really got to work thinking

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about whether we could figure out how to,

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sorry, to rehabilitate her.

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And we started doing physical therapy.

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Our team did amazing physical therapy.

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We've been doing this now for about four

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months or five months.

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And she just the other day climbed up

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a rope and into a tree.

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So- Yeah, which is amazing.

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We were- Everyone was cheering.

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Everyone was cheering.

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Our caregivers were singing and dancing.

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So it was very exciting for everybody.

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Right, Christine?

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And Jenny, your mommy, right?

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I mean, in their hearts and minds, you've

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become mom.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Tell us about that.

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We are, we have an amazing caregiving team,

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but yeah, you know, in the wild, they

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would be with their mom full time.

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I mean, she would still be with her

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mom, sleeping with their mom.

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She'd still be nursing for another, probably three

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years or more.

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So when they come, you know, they've not

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only seen their moms die, but they have

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also really just, I mean, they want to

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cling to somebody, but by the time we

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get them, they've usually been abused and neglected

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also because they're being sold into the pet

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trade.

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And it's just, you know, they need somebody

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to really bring them back to life.

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And that's what our caregiving team does.

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So we're a mom and they're a mom.

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And yeah, we're all moms together.

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Now, let me ask you a question.

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What about the Liberian government?

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I mean, shouldn't the Liberian government come in

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and say they're apparently bringing you a lot

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of these animals.

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Shouldn't they come in and say, hey, and

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people are saying, please put up the address

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to donate.

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Yes, let me put that up right now

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because that's the next step in doing this.

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We need to get donations in.

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And I don't want to say this to

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say it, but to encourage others, I donated

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$1,000 because- Yes, you did, thank

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you.

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The reason is I look at these faces

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and, oh my God, if you weren't there

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helping them, what would possibly happen to these

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angels?

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These are our closest relatives to Homo sapiens.

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I mean, look at that face.

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And you're taking care of 115.

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It broke my heart, but also I was

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like, I want to do everything I can

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to help you.

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So tell us again about what a donation

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will do.

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So, I mean, every donation helps, whether it's

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$5 or $10 or $1,000.

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Money goes a long way here in Liberia.

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We employ a lot of people.

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So it also, we work really closely with

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the community.

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We employ about 40 people, about almost 30

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of them are caregivers.

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And it really enriches their lives.

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They're able to put their kids through school.

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They're able to build houses.

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And it rains a lot here in Liberia.

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You know, Liberia is one of the poorest

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countries in the world.

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That's sort of why the government can't help

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us.

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I just, sorry to interrupt, but I wanted

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you, I don't know if you'll be able

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to see or hear this, but Gracie is

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laughing a little bit here.

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Yes, I see a question for about a

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501c3.

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And yes, we have a 501c3 in the

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United States.

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So if you donate through the website, we

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are a tax exempt organisation.

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So she's laughing.

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She's laughing.

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Oh my gosh.

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This is like pre-bedtime tickles, just like

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humans.

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Oh my gosh.

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Look at that angel.

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Look at that angel.

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And this couple is caring for 115 of

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them in Liberia.

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And it reminds me of that song, a

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three hour tour.

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You were there for 10 years taking care

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of these babies and people bring you the

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babies, right?

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They, I mean.

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Yes.

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Including the government.

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So we've progressed a lot here.

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You mentioned the government.

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So I wanted to address that, that Liberia

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is one of the poorest countries.

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It's an amazing country.

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The people here are amazing, but you know,

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the government just doesn't have money to spare,

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but we do work really closely with the

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government.

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We've been able to change laws and policies.

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We're protecting, we're establishing new protected areas for

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Chimp Habitat.

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We do a lot of community work and

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engage with our communities.

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And we employ a lot of people and

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work with our team's amazing.

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We do a tonne of awareness.

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So we work really closely with the government,

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but financially that burden is on us.

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Like that will always be on us.

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So we're looking at money that we need

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to raise now.

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Like Jimmy said, the 250,000 before the

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end of the year, and then to finish

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our next phase of infrastructure.

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And then of course, eventually, you know, we

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want to set up an endowment for these

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guys.

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So every dollar counts, whether it's to buy

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some Seralac for little Gracie or some fruits

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and vegetables or to pay a caregiver salary,

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fuel to go get fruits and all our

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supplies.

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So everything, I mean, from a dollar to

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a thousand dollars to $10,000, anything helps.

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And just so to like lay out some

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of the numbers so people understand, it costs

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about $6,000 a month for fresh fruits

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and vegetables.

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Another $1,000 for, we give them like

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a baby porridge.

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Jenny just mentioned Seralac.

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And we do that because there's not great,

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it's not a wide variety of foods here

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in Liberia.

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There's really poor agricultural systems.

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So we do that.

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So they're getting, you know, fortified baby cereal

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essentially.

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So they're getting all their vitamins and minerals.

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And then our salaries costs, it's about $15

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,000 a month to employ everybody.

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And then all the other things that go

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along with it, such as keeping the vehicles

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going and vehicle maintenance and keeping the site

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going.

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So site maintenance and things like that.

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So we're just grateful for any donations that

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people can give.

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It really helps us take care of these

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guys.

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Our main goal is to, you know, our

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main number one goal, our mission is to

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get people, get people to stop hunting the

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chimpanzees, stop wild chimpanzees from being killed.

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So we stop receiving orphans.

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But once you receive, once we get little

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people like Grace, you know, then we have

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to provide them a good life.

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And what we try and do is give

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them as close an approximation to their, what

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life they would have in the wild.

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So they're with other chimps, they're with surrogate

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moms, human moms, and then they get to

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spend their days in the forest.

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I hate to cover up that baby to

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say live from Africa and to say where

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to donate, but that's, there we go.

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Liberianchimpanzeerescue.org.

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And I did it.

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It takes a second.

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They are a 501c3 in the United States.

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So you do get the tax deduction and

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everybody.

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Okay, so we've got some pledges coming in.

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Nilo Farr has pledged $250.

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Thank you.

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And Tiffany Baker, I believe said she's donating

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now.

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And Tiffany says, I'm donating now.

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So I actually said that I was gonna

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call Nilo Farr and let her weigh in

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a little bit.

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And so we're gonna see if she picks

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up.

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Nilo Farr has pledged to donate 250.

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Nilo Farr, you are live.

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First of all, thank you for your $250

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pledge.

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Go and go straight to Liberianchimpanzeerescue.org forward

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slash donate and make that happen.

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What are your thoughts and questions for the

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Desmonds?

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First, I wanna acknowledge Unchained TV and their

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turn for shedding light on the story of

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the rescued Liberian chimps.

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These chimps are survivors of junk science and

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it's shameful that decades of, after decades of

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painful and invasive medical procedures, the New York

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Blood Centre failed to honour its commitment.

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Oh my God, wait a second.

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I have to jump in.

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We've got breaking news.

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Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

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I'm gonna cry.

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Oh my God.

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Me too.

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That is amazing.

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My husband and I will be donating $10

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,000 through our charitable donation.

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Oh my gosh, I'm gonna cry.

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I really am gonna cry.

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I'm gonna cry now.

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That's amazing.

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This is just so beautiful.

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Thank you, Mick.

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Thank you, Mick.

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That is so beautiful.

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Oh my God.

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Honestly, it's so, so, I mean, thank you

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for your generosity.

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It means the world to us.

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You've got everyone crying here.

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And to all our babies that we take

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care of.

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Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.

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Maybe we can get them on the phone,

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but I have to say, thank you, thank

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you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank

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you.

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What can we say, Dion?

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Thank you, God bless you for doing this.

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This is unbelievable.

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Really.

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I mean, I have seen so many horrible

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things.

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When I saw these baby chips and I

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saw their faces, it's, they're children.

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They are children.

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They are.

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The idea that you're doing this with 115

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children on your own.

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I mean, I just said to myself, and

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Donny, thank God for Donny calling me.

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And I said, Donny, anything we can do,

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we have to move into action to help

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these people.

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I mean- Thank you so much, Jane.

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And Donny, I mean, Donny's been a life

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-changing friend for us.

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He's been out here twice, and we're trying

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to get him to get on a plane

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again and get out here now, because he

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hasn't even seen our new site.

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But yeah, Donny's been absolutely amazing.

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And people like you, Jane.

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I mean, we just, like you said, we're

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out, we're here.

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I mean, those kinds of donations, that donation

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that Mick just made is unbelievable.

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And you sharing our story.

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I mean, we're just in the middle of

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nowhere out here and getting us to be,

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getting this kind of exposure is just invaluable

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for us.

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So we're so grateful.

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Oh my gosh, wow.

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Wow, wow.

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And you know, what you just said about,

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you know, that they're- Their children.

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That they're children is, you know, the thing

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about the chimps, and everyone knows that they're,

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you know, genetically, you know, the most similar

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species to humans.

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But I think that when you spend time

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with these guys is what you realise the

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way they're most similar to us is emotionally.

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And, you know, when you think of your

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own self or your own internal self, you

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know, we're really just all about our emotions.

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It's how we feel all the time.

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And the chimpanzees, you know, you think about

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these little babies and they, you know, their

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life has been torn apart.

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I mean, they've seen their mother killed and

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maybe other family members, and they've been injured.

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And put in a terrible situation in captivity,

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and they're scared and, you know, and then

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they get here, and we do our best

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to give them a good life, you know?

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And the number one thing for chimps is

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that being with other chimps.

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So that once they do reach us, whatever

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situation they've been in before, we give them

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love and care, get them healthy.

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But then they get to be with their

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little, you know, their other chimpanzees.

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And so that's gonna be the rest of

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their life.

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And that's the thing that's so great for

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them.

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But it's just, it's every time we get

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a new chimpanzee, a new orphan, it's a

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tragedy, you know?

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And we're happy we rescued them, but it's

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always, we always feel so angry and sad,

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all mixed up.

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And we just, I don't even know what

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I'm saying.

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I'm just talking.

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I'm just so grateful that you have put

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us, you know, give us this exposure.

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And that donation, I missed the last name,

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but Mick is- Mick Davoudian.

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Mick Davoudian, who is a philanthropist who supports

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Unchained TV.

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And, you know, he and his husband, Joe

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Kaufman, are two of the most generous people

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I've ever met.

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And so breaking news, if you're just joining

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us, we're doing this story about this incredible

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sanctuary in Liberia where these two individuals, husband

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and wife team, Dr. Desmond is a veterinarian.

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They have 115 chimps.

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I got word from Donnie Moss, who we're

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gonna talk to in a second, that they

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were running out of money and they need

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money.

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They have 115 hungry mouths to feed and

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that they were in a crisis and that

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there's an emergency.

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So we are talking to him.

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And the breaking news is that Mick Davoudian

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and his husband, Jeff Hoffman, just donated $10

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,000.

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Wow.

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Thank you, Jeff.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Oh my God.

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We are so grateful.

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Thank you.

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I wanna show the miracles.

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Can you put the camera right up here?

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I want you to see the miracles that

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your donations are giving.

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This is little Grace.

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And I think, I don't know if you

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heard before, but she came to us paralysed

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and I'm gonna be quiet for a second

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so you can hear her laugh.

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That's her laughing from tickling.

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Can you guys hear that?

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I don't know if you can hear that.

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Yes, we can.

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It's adorable.

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It's absolutely adorable.

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So this is, I mean, your donations literally

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work miracles.

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This little girl watched her mom be killed

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and was paralysed.

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And she's now here with other chimps and

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being loved and tickled and laughing.

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And I mean, it's, you know, they're transformations

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that we can't do without everybody's help.

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So- Now, I just wanna go back

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to Nilo Farr, who is from Texas, who

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donated $250 and every donation- Bless the

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new Nilo Farr.

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Nilo Farr, continue.

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We had some breaking news, we interrupted you,

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but continue on your thoughts and your questions

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for the Desmonds.

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Well, because of my fellow countrymen's extremely generous

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donation, I'm going to increase my pledge from

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250 to 1,000.

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Oh my God!

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And I pledge to get it matched by

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somebody else.

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So thank you so much, Mick Davoudian, you're

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amazing.

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I mean, I just had chills running down

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my spine when I heard that news.

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Thank you.

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Oh, everybody is saying Mick and Jeff, true

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heroes.

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And you too, Nilo Farr, true hero.

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Please post your incredible donation on Facebook.

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Wow, this is unbelievable.

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So you just heard it here that Nilo

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Farr is donating $1,000 and she says

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she's going to match, she wants it matched.

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So we've got, and of course you would

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allow people to match it like 500 and

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500, right?

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I mean, yeah, so let's get this matched

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because this is just super exciting and this

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is what I live for.

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Honestly, I live for this because we cover

545
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so much depressing stuff, you know, what's happening

546
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:14,220
to animals.

547
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,260
And when we're able to be a force

548
00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:19,740
for good, not just report the terrible things

549
00:21:19,740 --> 00:21:23,100
that are happening, but help change something, when

550
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,460
you've saved these chimps, you've saved the world

551
00:21:26,460 --> 00:21:28,180
for those chimps.

552
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:31,000
And people are saying, Nilo Farr, thank you.

553
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,220
The chimps, thank you.

554
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,400
So this is absolutely amazing.

555
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320
Wow, I'm just super, super excited.

556
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,240
Me too.

557
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,400
Jane, I wanted to just say thank you.

558
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,960
I mean, the thing you said about we

559
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:44,880
hear so much bad news.

560
00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:47,040
I mean, we're obviously animal rights people.

561
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,120
I've been an animal rights activist since I

562
00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,880
was a kid, I think before my kids

563
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,840
barely speak and drove my family nuts.

564
00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:57,060
But, you know, I get bombarded, not just

565
00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:59,440
with chimp things all day, about everything all

566
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,180
the time, as you guys do as well.

567
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,600
And it's really just like getting these kinds

568
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,140
of you guys supporting us and these kinds

569
00:22:06,140 --> 00:22:06,680
of donations.

570
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,860
I mean, it really makes us cry because

571
00:22:08,860 --> 00:22:11,400
it's like you said, it's not only just

572
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,180
this, but just all the bad things that

573
00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:16,980
are happening to our non-human relatives all

574
00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:17,660
around the world.

575
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:19,700
And then you can see all this good

576
00:22:19,700 --> 00:22:20,900
and you need that.

577
00:22:20,940 --> 00:22:22,180
You need that inspiration.

578
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,320
And it's so, this gives us so much

579
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,640
hope here in the middle of nowhere that

580
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,060
we can make it out here.

581
00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:31,000
Tom wants to know, did they mention chimps

582
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,420
involved in the pet trade?

583
00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:35,140
Yes, Tom, those are all chimps.

584
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:36,420
Those are all chimps.

585
00:22:37,020 --> 00:22:38,420
Why are they being killed?

586
00:22:38,980 --> 00:22:41,400
So they're being killed for some people for

587
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:41,820
meat.

588
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,160
Sometimes it's just like people out hunting and

589
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,480
doing, you know, bushmeat hunting and they happen

590
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,500
to find chimps and kill them and sell

591
00:22:49,500 --> 00:22:49,820
the meat.

592
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,740
But there is a demand for chimp meat,

593
00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:52,200
sadly.

594
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:54,820
It's like an elitist kind of thing.

595
00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:55,900
And then there's a pet trade.

596
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,800
Then these are all really large scale issues.

597
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,740
So we're not talking about subsistence eating.

598
00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:03,900
You and I might not eat any animals,

599
00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:05,440
but, you know, people in Liberia, I mean,

600
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,620
they eat animals, but they don't necessarily want

601
00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:09,240
to eat chimps.

602
00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,260
And subsistence farming, that's just, you know, in

603
00:23:13,260 --> 00:23:16,020
the village, somebody going and killing some, you

604
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:18,200
know, some type of, say an antelope or

605
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,640
something, you know, well, I would prefer they

606
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:20,380
didn't at all.

607
00:23:22,140 --> 00:23:24,560
They're killing one antelope and they're feeding the

608
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:24,860
village.

609
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,840
We're talking about these guys are in something

610
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,560
we would call, you know, international wildlife crime.

611
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,100
And we do a lot of work on

612
00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:32,800
that as well.

613
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,200
So- Is this like rich people who

614
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,420
want a chimpanzee?

615
00:23:36,700 --> 00:23:40,180
Yes, and there's a commercial bush meat trade.

616
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,500
There's a commercial pet trade.

617
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,860
So we're talking about a commercial trade that

618
00:23:43,860 --> 00:23:44,580
is driving this.

619
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960
We wouldn't have 115 chimps from this trade

620
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,520
if it were just a few people in

621
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,940
the, you know, local people hunting for food.

622
00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:53,380
That's not what this is.

623
00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:55,840
So we think, we know from other studies

624
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,840
that have been done.

625
00:23:56,940 --> 00:23:58,080
I mean, what we think is happening in

626
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,880
Liberia is a lot of the, if someone

627
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,020
is out hunting, they're usually part of a,

628
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,520
they're part of, you know, an organised crime

629
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:05,880
network.

630
00:24:06,020 --> 00:24:07,560
The hunters themselves are like, you know, the

631
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,100
little guy.

632
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200
But if they happen to kill a chimpanzee

633
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,200
and it's a mom that has a baby,

634
00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:16,460
then they'll try and get the baby out

635
00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:18,260
across the border to Cote d'Ivoire.

636
00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:20,700
And then from there, they might go-

637
00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:22,340
They can go anywhere, Middle East to China.

638
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,340
I mean, I get stuff all the time.

639
00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:27,820
People sending me pictures of someone, you know,

640
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,240
in a castle or a big wealthy mansion

641
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,660
with a baby tiger and a baby chimp.

642
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,840
And I've even seen recently a picture of

643
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,660
a guy with three baby chimps.

644
00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:38,340
I could tell because I know chimps.

645
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:39,920
They were from three different regions.

646
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,500
There were three different subspecies.

647
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,740
And they were little babies, which means they

648
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:47,100
killed families in three different regions and took

649
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:48,380
those babies and got them all the way

650
00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:49,560
to him so he can have a pet.

651
00:24:50,020 --> 00:24:53,120
And this is why I hate it when

652
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,640
there are movies or commercials that feature chimps

653
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,080
or really any other animals.

654
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,320
There is always cruelty at the heart of

655
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:02,460
it.

656
00:25:02,620 --> 00:25:05,120
Tiffany Brunelli, who did donate, says, please keep

657
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,260
the donations going.

658
00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:08,120
Let's get the match.

659
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:10,760
So I want to go out now to

660
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,400
Donnie Moss.

661
00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:12,380
You've waited patiently.

662
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,660
You were instrumental in bringing the Desmonds to

663
00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:18,880
Africa initially.

664
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,120
Tell us the backstory about this.

665
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,200
The backstory is absolutely fascinating.

666
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,660
So in 2015, the New York Times reported

667
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:31,420
that the New York Blood Centre abandoned 66

668
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:33,560
chimps who they had been using in biomedical

669
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,980
research on islands in Liberia with no food

670
00:25:36,980 --> 00:25:37,460
or water.

671
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:41,060
And on an emergency basis, the Desmonds picked

672
00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:43,620
up their lives and dropped what they were

673
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:46,260
doing and moved to Liberia for what was

674
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:48,560
supposed to be four or five weeks to

675
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,840
put systems in place with locals to take

676
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,740
care of the chimps on these islands.

677
00:25:53,740 --> 00:25:55,120
And then they were going to leave.

678
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,420
And as you mentioned early on, Jane, the

679
00:25:58,420 --> 00:26:04,140
government, the forestry authorities began dropping off orphans

680
00:26:04,660 --> 00:26:06,840
unrelated to the chimpanzees on the islands.

681
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,540
These were victims of the exotic pet trade

682
00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:12,040
and the bushmeat trade, began bringing them to

683
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,000
their front door.

684
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,060
And, you know, one turned into 10 probably

685
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:19,600
in the matter of first, you know, several

686
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,060
months or a year or so.

687
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,820
I, the Desmonds were, and so the footage

688
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:27,240
that you've been showing, Jane, is of the

689
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,660
Desmonds with about the first 10 or 12

690
00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:31,440
chimps in their backyard.

691
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,220
This is not a sanctuary, this footage that

692
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:35,580
you're showing right now, this is sort of

693
00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:38,580
a makeshift enclosure that the Desmonds had in

694
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:40,660
their own backyard to take care of these

695
00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:42,300
chimps who were coming in.

696
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:47,120
But this could not withstand the number of

697
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:48,140
chimps that kept coming in.

698
00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:52,560
The Desmonds had to build a proper chimpanzee

699
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,200
sanctuary outside of a village, populated village area,

700
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,640
sort of in a remote area, and build

701
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,600
an infrastructure.

702
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,600
And keep in mind these chimps who are

703
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,500
all we're seeing right now are sort of

704
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:06,040
the babies and the juveniles.

705
00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:08,620
They grow up and they become big, strong,

706
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,360
and dangerous.

707
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,460
And so they need to, and you haven't

708
00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,120
really shown those.

709
00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:13,180
And the ones you're showing on the screen

710
00:27:13,180 --> 00:27:14,460
right now were the ones on the islands

711
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:15,720
who were used in research.

712
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,300
But all of the chimps that you're looking

713
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,220
at now are adults, and they're in these

714
00:27:22,220 --> 00:27:25,780
large enclosures, but they're unable to leave the

715
00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:29,000
enclosures until the Desmonds are able to embark

716
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,520
on phase two of the sanctuary in which

717
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,420
they could create moats and build walls, so

718
00:27:35,420 --> 00:27:38,580
that when they let the larger chimpanzees out

719
00:27:38,580 --> 00:27:42,100
of their enclosures, they won't be able to

720
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,680
sort of escape into the local village.

721
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,680
And local villagers won't be able to sort

722
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,400
of come into this area.

723
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,700
And that will keep everyone safe.

724
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:52,560
So there's a sense of urgency around phase

725
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,260
two, so that these large chimps can get

726
00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:58,720
outside into a forest, which mimics their natural

727
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,140
habitat.

728
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,200
I'll say one more thing, and that is

729
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,460
in 2016, when I was working on the

730
00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:07,600
campaign to compel the New York Blood Centre

731
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,100
to pay for the care of the chimps

732
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,380
who they abandoned on the islands, again, unrelated

733
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:14,600
to the chimps we're talking about now, the

734
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,060
Desmonds who were there taking care of the

735
00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:19,900
chimps on the islands at that time encouraged

736
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:21,580
me to come over and visit them and

737
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:23,920
see the chimps for whom I was fighting.

738
00:28:24,260 --> 00:28:25,160
They didn't know me.

739
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,120
They didn't know, you know, for all they

740
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,000
knew, I could have been the crazy, radical,

741
00:28:29,180 --> 00:28:30,060
extreme animal, right?

742
00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:32,080
They didn't know what they were getting into,

743
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,900
and they were kind enough to invite me

744
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:35,200
over and take that risk.

745
00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:37,380
And I was able to go there and

746
00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:39,760
document not only the chimps on the islands,

747
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320
but the chimps who came into their care,

748
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,560
the ones you've been showing, those chimps are

749
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,060
now adults, and now they've got 115, and

750
00:28:48,060 --> 00:28:52,600
miraculously, they built a sanctuary from the ground

751
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,280
up in a remote forest, again, in Liberia,

752
00:28:57,820 --> 00:29:01,080
in a place with no electricity, no plumbing,

753
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:05,760
no roads, no infrastructure, at a time when

754
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,820
there was a shortage of materials due to

755
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:11,220
supply chain, when they didn't really have money

756
00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:11,920
coming in.

757
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,500
So the obstacles that they faced during COVID

758
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,320
to build a sanctuary from the ground up,

759
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,620
I am mesmerised by the work that they

760
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:19,920
do.

761
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,420
And because they're so remote, because they're so

762
00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:24,720
isolated, they just can't, they don't have the

763
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,640
reach that a lot of the other sanctuaries

764
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,140
that are more established have.

765
00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:30,260
And so that's why they've had trouble raising

766
00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:30,540
money.

767
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:31,860
People don't know they exist.

768
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:35,180
Well, we're gonna do everything we can, and

769
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:37,180
we have breaking news.

770
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:40,840
You are watching video and speaking with the

771
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,060
Desmonds live from Liberia.

772
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,960
We have been trying to raise money because

773
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,400
they need money.

774
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,320
This is an emergency appeal.

775
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,740
They are taking care of 150 orphan chimps,

776
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,620
and these are just like babies.

777
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,740
Remember, these are our closest cousins.

778
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:00,720
They share so much of our DNA.

779
00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:03,120
I mean, these are children.

780
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:09,780
And thanks to their organisation, the Liberiachimpanzeerescue.org,

781
00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:14,140
you can see that these animals are happy

782
00:30:14,140 --> 00:30:15,940
and they're living their best lives, even though

783
00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:18,600
their mothers were gunned down in front of

784
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,340
them or shot in front of them, hit

785
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:24,080
in front of them, killed in front of

786
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:24,240
them.

787
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720
They've been rescued and they are living their

788
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:28,220
best lives.

789
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:30,360
They're some of the adults and they're the

790
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:30,800
babies.

791
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:32,780
So we have breaking news.

792
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:36,480
We went on the air seeking donations and

793
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,440
we got donations.

794
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:44,580
We have gotten so far today, absolutely amazing

795
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:49,560
donation from Mick Davoudian and Jeff Hoffman, who

796
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:55,380
announced that they are donating $10,000.

797
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,080
And then we also got a donation of

798
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,680
$1,000 from Nilofar, and I don't wanna

799
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,020
mess up your last name, but Asgharian, I

800
00:31:09,020 --> 00:31:12,540
think it is pronounced, but apologies if I

801
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:14,220
messed it up, but thank you for your

802
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:14,820
generosity.

803
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,500
And then she said, hey, we're gonna do

804
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:18,540
a match.

805
00:31:19,140 --> 00:31:23,020
Now I personally, so moved by these images

806
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:26,460
of these babies, have donated $1,000 myself.

807
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560
So we're up to $12,000.

808
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,040
Let's see.

809
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,080
Now, also we got a donation.

810
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,820
Smaller donations are great.

811
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,040
So we've gotten smaller donations from Lindsay Baker.

812
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,840
We've gotten smaller donations from Tiffany Brunelli.

813
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:47,900
And we are gonna really ask people, please,

814
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,860
$10, $5, it's going to make all the

815
00:31:53,860 --> 00:31:56,480
difference and it's very easy to donate.

816
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,960
So you can donate, and I'll show you

817
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,760
the link to donate right now.

818
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,720
And if you're listening, I will read it

819
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,620
out to you.

820
00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:09,340
It is, getting there right this second, boom,

821
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:15,020
LiberiaChimpanzeeRescue.org forward slash donate.

822
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,220
So I wanna call one of the folks

823
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:22,660
who has donated, and she may not have

824
00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:23,960
donated a huge amount.

825
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,380
She said, oh, it's nothing compared.

826
00:32:25,380 --> 00:32:27,700
No, everything is something.

827
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:34,420
Any donation, it's also not just the physical

828
00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:38,000
amount, it's the support and the sense of

829
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,320
community that Jenny and Jim Desmond in a

830
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,300
Liberia feel because they're there by themselves.

831
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,500
I mean, imagine that, 115 chimpanzees, and people

832
00:32:51,500 --> 00:32:54,060
are saying, thank you for taking care of

833
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:54,940
these sweet babies.

834
00:32:55,460 --> 00:32:57,580
Let us know if you're donating.

835
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,240
Do we have Lindsay Baker on the line?

836
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,200
This is Lindsay Baker.

837
00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:07,020
Okay, so tell us, Lindsay, thank you for

838
00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:07,800
your donation.

839
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:10,660
You're urging other people to donate as well.

840
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,600
What are your thoughts and feelings and questions?

841
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:18,400
Well, I mean, this is such a critical

842
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,860
situation here.

843
00:33:20,860 --> 00:33:25,980
These poor chimpanzees, they need the care that

844
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,280
only these people apparently are able to give

845
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,040
them right now.

846
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,560
And I know this is a tough time

847
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,240
for people.

848
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:33,900
You know, a lot of people are having

849
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,700
a little tougher time, but, and I know

850
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,080
like it's wonderful to see these wonderful, huge

851
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,640
donations.

852
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,440
It can be intimidating.

853
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:44,660
Please, just anything you can donate.

854
00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:46,340
I made a small donation.

855
00:33:46,420 --> 00:33:47,400
What was your donation?

856
00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:49,520
Tell us what your donation was so that

857
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,700
we can, you know.

858
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:52,360
It was $25.

859
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:53,080
Great.

860
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:53,880
And now I feel really guilty.

861
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,400
Yes, you do.

862
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,380
Uh-uh, don't, do not feel that way.

863
00:33:57,660 --> 00:34:01,500
If everybody donated $25, they would have their

864
00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:02,540
problem solved.

865
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,240
Yep.

866
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:04,500
Continue on.

867
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,100
No, I think so, those of us, maybe

868
00:34:07,100 --> 00:34:09,500
we can go back and deep, maybe I

869
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,340
can go back and reach in a little

870
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,139
deeper, even though this is a tough time

871
00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:14,280
of the year for everyone.

872
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,860
But the situation is incredible.

873
00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:21,060
The more attention we can bring to it,

874
00:34:21,260 --> 00:34:23,260
I don't think people know what's going on.

875
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:26,000
I don't think they know the slaughter that

876
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,900
is going on.

877
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:31,040
And the reason is not helping, you know,

878
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:33,320
they say, oh, it's for animal testing, it's

879
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,500
for humans to help humans.

880
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:37,120
No one is benefiting from this.

881
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,760
This is causing trouble for everyone.

882
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:45,260
It's causing problems with disease, it's causing all

883
00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:48,060
this awful torture for these animals.

884
00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:50,639
And it just touches me to see them.

885
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,080
And when this poor little creature is laughing,

886
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,200
you know, when he gets tickled after being

887
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,020
paralysed, after seeing his parents die, obviously they

888
00:35:00,020 --> 00:35:03,440
have a superior intelligence, which does not mean

889
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,840
that we treat them any differently because of

890
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,760
their level of intelligence, but we do know

891
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,640
that they are even more aware.

892
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,680
So it just touches your heart.

893
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,380
Thank you so much, Lindsay.

894
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,260
Thank you.

895
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,220
And you do incredible work.

896
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,260
Thank you, my dear.

897
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,980
And so there you have...

898
00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:21,780
Yes, go ahead.

899
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,960
Sorry, I was gonna address what Lindsay said

900
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
about just the word slaughter.

901
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:26,720
It's true.

902
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:28,420
And like we said before, I wanna make

903
00:35:28,420 --> 00:35:28,780
it clear.

904
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,200
We're not talking about subsistence hunting for people

905
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,760
to eat.

906
00:35:33,260 --> 00:35:34,980
This is a commercial trade.

907
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,760
For every chimpanzee, I think really important to

908
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,880
understand that at least her mother was killed,

909
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,020
but the estimate is, you know, somewhere between

910
00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:46,780
five and 10 for every baby who finally

911
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:48,040
makes their way to us.

912
00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:50,740
So if you think about the 115, you

913
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:53,380
know, that's over a thousand chimpanzees taken from

914
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:55,880
the wild, which is just devastating for the

915
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,660
whole species and the population and biodiversity and

916
00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:00,740
all the things we all care about on

917
00:36:00,740 --> 00:36:03,520
top of animal welfare and these guys, you

918
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,320
know, getting a good life.

919
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:08,820
And we have the second largest population of

920
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:10,560
Western chimpanzees in Liberia.

921
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,740
They're critically endangered.

922
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,660
And, you know, when you think about a

923
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:18,580
thousand, subtracted out of 7,000, that's a

924
00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:21,040
huge percentage of the population just wiped out.

925
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,280
And these guys don't go back to the

926
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,560
wild.

927
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,320
That's another thing that I think people don't

928
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,700
realise.

929
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,720
So they will live for about 60 years

930
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:31,720
and they will live at the sanctuary for

931
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:32,420
their lifetimes.

932
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:35,360
And we've got more breaking news in.

933
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:38,700
We've got a very generous offer coming in.

934
00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:44,420
I want to go to Karen LaCava, who

935
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:46,320
has, she is a real estate broker.

936
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,300
She says, I will donate a portion of

937
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:51,700
my next real estate commission as soon as

938
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:52,500
it closes.

939
00:36:53,380 --> 00:36:53,660
Wow.

940
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:55,960
Exactly, Karen LaCava.

941
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:57,520
That is wonderful.

942
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,060
That's amazing.

943
00:36:59,840 --> 00:36:59,940
Yay.

944
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,680
Thank you, Karen LaCava.

945
00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:02,940
Absolutely wonderful.

946
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,380
And I saw another donation come in just

947
00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:08,680
now from Michelle Celestino.

948
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:12,140
They'll post it on Facebook so people can

949
00:37:12,140 --> 00:37:14,360
see, but Michelle donated $25.

950
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:16,800
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

951
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:17,620
Thank you, Michelle.

952
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,420
And to Lindsay, I didn't get a chance

953
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:19,820
to thank you.

954
00:37:19,820 --> 00:37:21,600
$25 is amazing.

955
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,120
Every, I mean, it all adds up.

956
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,500
You know, we couldn't have done any of

957
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:28,020
this without all the small donations adding up.

958
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,440
So, you know, we had a, there was

959
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,480
a, back in 2020, that, you know, the

960
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,760
BBC filmed a show about us trying to

961
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,980
build the sanctuary and we never even got

962
00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:36,980
to building the sanctuary.

963
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:39,620
But when it aired in the UK, we

964
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:41,700
were able to raise, I think in the

965
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:43,560
first three weeks, it aired over three weeks,

966
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:45,280
about a quarter million dollars.

967
00:37:45,460 --> 00:37:49,800
And it was almost primarily from small donations.

968
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,300
Just small ones that added up.

969
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,300
Like $5, $10, $25, 50.

970
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,480
So every, I mean, we really mean it.

971
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:02,100
I mean, every amount, every donation counts.

972
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:04,200
Every dollar helps us take care of these

973
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:04,460
guys.

974
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,300
And so we're just so grateful for anyone

975
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,100
who cares enough.

976
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:12,360
Again, Jane, you mentioned, you know, that we're

977
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,200
over here on our own and it's hard

978
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,480
for us to reach out.

979
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,940
So this exposure is great, but it's more

980
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:20,840
than the money too.

981
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:22,500
It's, you mentioned the community.

982
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,140
It makes us feel like we're connecting with

983
00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,520
people that we're not alone over here.

984
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:29,620
Of course, we have our amazing, we have

985
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:31,180
a lot of Liberian friends and our amazing

986
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:31,780
team here.

987
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,980
We're not alone in that sense.

988
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:35,020
But in the sense of trying to raise

989
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:38,100
the money and trying to build this place

990
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,620
and to save the species, you know, these

991
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:42,800
guys are rapidly going extinct.

992
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:47,240
So it's these individuals, but it's also all

993
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,220
the other chimps out there that we're trying

994
00:38:49,220 --> 00:38:50,080
to protect as well.

995
00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:51,860
So we can't- And that's what raises

996
00:38:51,860 --> 00:38:52,600
a question.

997
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,940
Tom says, I believe chimps are endangered.

998
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,080
Aren't they given government protection?

999
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:57,880
Yes.

1000
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:00,540
So in Liberia, they have some of the

1001
00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:03,580
stronger protections here than they have in the

1002
00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:04,460
U.S., by the way.

1003
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,700
No one here is allowed to kill a

1004
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:07,800
chimp.

1005
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:09,100
No one is allowed to have a chimp

1006
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:09,640
as a pet.

1007
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:12,000
So it's been a matter of, you know,

1008
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:13,200
it's just like anything, right?

1009
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Drugs or anything else.

1010
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,240
We, it's about, we made the laws stricter.

1011
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:18,640
We had to build enforcement.

1012
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,220
No one really even was aware of what

1013
00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:22,920
was going on and the extent to what

1014
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,540
was happening.

1015
00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:25,940
And there are the good guys and the

1016
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:27,420
bad guys, just like everything, right?

1017
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:29,960
There are the commercial traders who are just

1018
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,680
making money, just like a drug dealer.

1019
00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:34,440
The people buying pets over in the Middle

1020
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,760
East or China or in the U.S.

1021
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,100
or wherever it is for entertainment to use

1022
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:39,840
as pets, to put in circuses.

1023
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,780
So yeah, it's illegal here, but just with

1024
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:47,040
everything that's illegal, it's really hard work to

1025
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,740
get the laws to be enforced.

1026
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:50,860
And in addition to that, we don't really

1027
00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:51,840
wanna do law enforcement.

1028
00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:54,300
We wanna work with communities and work with

1029
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:56,680
our neighbours to really want to also protect

1030
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,500
these chimpanzees because most Liberians don't wanna kill

1031
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:00,580
chimpanzees either.

1032
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,300
So.

1033
00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:04,400
This is fantastic.

1034
00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:07,160
I have to say, people have all sorts

1035
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,600
of questions.

1036
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:09,540
Do you work with Jane Goodall?

1037
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,620
Yes, we do.

1038
00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:11,900
We know her very well.

1039
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Yes.

1040
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:15,580
So the Jane Goodall Institute has helped us

1041
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,200
with a bunch of different projects.

1042
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:23,440
We've known the Jane Goodall Institute for years

1043
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,240
and worked with them.

1044
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,540
But I just wanna make the point, they

1045
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:27,100
have two of their own sanctuaries.

1046
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,000
So they really aren't in a position to

1047
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,500
help us financially with our sanctuary because they're

1048
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:33,140
keeping two going on, so.

1049
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:33,700
Exactly.

1050
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:34,760
Absolutely.

1051
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,800
You know, you are doing such extraordinary work.

1052
00:40:38,860 --> 00:40:40,200
And tell me about your backstory.

1053
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:42,380
Where are you from in the United States?

1054
00:40:42,580 --> 00:40:44,720
I know you're a veterinarian, Dr. Desmond.

1055
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:48,460
Tell us about how you, prior to getting

1056
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:50,620
the calls, hey, come to Africa for a

1057
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:53,360
month to help these chimps that were abandoned

1058
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,580
after being used in biomedical research and thought

1059
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:57,940
you were going there for a month.

1060
00:40:58,740 --> 00:41:01,540
And you ended up being there for 10

1061
00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:05,300
years and now you have 115 children, essentially

1062
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:06,860
chimpanzee children.

1063
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:08,840
But what is your backstory?

1064
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:10,420
Tell us about yourselves.

1065
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:14,540
So I grew up in Maine.

1066
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:16,000
Jenny grew up in California.

1067
00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:20,600
And we met in Boston and it was

1068
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,800
kind of- We weren't doing this work

1069
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:22,740
at all when we met.

1070
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:25,080
It was pretty much love at first sight.

1071
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,200
We got married pretty quickly and we went

1072
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,380
on this round-the-world trip.

1073
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,920
It was like an extended honeymoon.

1074
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,480
You know, we saved money and we'll do

1075
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,000
a backpack around the world and we'll settle

1076
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,340
down.

1077
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,780
And on that trip, by chance, we ended

1078
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:44,520
up volunteering at this orangutan rehabilitation centre in

1079
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:44,880
Borneo.

1080
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,300
And that was a life-changing event.

1081
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:48,380
Jenny found a way.

1082
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:50,640
She'd always wanted to work with animals but

1083
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,420
didn't find a way that she felt comfortable

1084
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:52,720
with.

1085
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,040
But a sanctuary was something that she did.

1086
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:58,740
And for me, there was a veterinarian there

1087
00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:02,000
doing research on zoonotic diseases, so disease transfer

1088
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
between humans and animals.

1089
00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:06,640
And I was so fascinated with it that

1090
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,560
human diseases could impact the great apes.

1091
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:12,560
And so that set us on this odyssey,

1092
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,380
you know, to where we are now, where

1093
00:42:14,380 --> 00:42:16,860
I went to vet school and we volunteered

1094
00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:18,680
in all these places around the world and

1095
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,420
eventually ended up here, where, you know, I

1096
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:24,720
still do the disease work, but we built

1097
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:25,520
this whole sanctuary.

1098
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,640
And yeah, here we are.

1099
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
That's the quick CliffsNotes version.

1100
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:32,860
Okay, we have two donations that just came

1101
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:33,060
in.

1102
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:35,080
Michelle Celestino, I just donated.

1103
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,900
And she also said she donated $25 in

1104
00:42:37,900 --> 00:42:38,600
another text.

1105
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,980
And Annie Abram has donated.

1106
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:46,460
And again, yes, let's keep those pledges and

1107
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:48,020
donations coming in.

1108
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:52,020
And to recap, boy, there are so many

1109
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:52,540
donations.

1110
00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:58,540
This broadcast has so far raised over $11

1111
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:59,140
,000.

1112
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:00,500
That's amazing.

1113
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:01,660
There is a match.

1114
00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:02,880
There is a match.

1115
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,420
Niloufar has said she would match $1,000.

1116
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,620
So let's get that match in.

1117
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,380
We can do 500 and 500.

1118
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,000
Let's go back to Donnie Moss for a

1119
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,380
second, because Donnie, full disclosure, I was living

1120
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:21,220
in New York when you decided to take

1121
00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:25,440
on the New York Blood Centre for abandoning

1122
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,620
these chintz after using them for biomedical research.

1123
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,840
And everybody said, you know, you're not gonna

1124
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,180
be able to make a difference.

1125
00:43:36,220 --> 00:43:37,320
And you did.

1126
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,200
But you did some very intense demonstrations, buy

1127
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,740
-ins at the New York Blood Centre, which

1128
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:46,980
I was there.

1129
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,340
I don't know if I actually went on

1130
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:48,680
the ground.

1131
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:51,400
I think I was reporting it for my

1132
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,140
fledgling, a nonprofit news network.

1133
00:43:54,420 --> 00:43:56,340
But you did the impossible.

1134
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,320
Tell us how you got, tell us what

1135
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,400
you did and how you did it.

1136
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,460
So when we learned that the Blood Centre

1137
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:07,780
abandoned these chintz and that the Blood Centre

1138
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:12,460
was this extraordinarily wealthy organisation that we believe

1139
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:16,420
earned about a billion dollars in royalties off

1140
00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:19,400
the research that they conducted on these chintz,

1141
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:21,480
it was just an outrage.

1142
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:23,580
And so when we, and you were there,

1143
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,560
Jane, for one of the first protests where

1144
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,840
we staged a disruption in the lobby of

1145
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,420
the New York Blood Centre, after that was

1146
00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:30,060
an escalation.

1147
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:32,860
We were polite first and that didn't work.

1148
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,360
And then when we got nowhere with the

1149
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,820
New York Blood Centre, we started to go

1150
00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:38,400
after their corporate donors, of course, starting out

1151
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,840
politely.

1152
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
And then after being ignored, escalating and escalating

1153
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,120
to the point that we got IBM, MetLife

1154
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,220
and Citigroup to, as far as I know,

1155
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:53,460
this never happens, make public statements sort of

1156
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:56,540
condemning the Blood Centre for abandoning the chintz.

1157
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,680
And Citigroup went so far as to donate

1158
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,340
$50,000 toward the care of these chintz.

1159
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
I just wanna clarify, again, these are not

1160
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,280
the chintz that the Desmonds are taking care

1161
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,640
of now.

1162
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,260
These are the chintz that were abandoned on

1163
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:11,220
islands on a nearby river in Liberia.

1164
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:13,800
So that campaign was two years.

1165
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:18,180
It was very stressful and it ended with

1166
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,340
a $6 million grant from the New York

1167
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:24,240
Blood Centre for the lifelong care of those

1168
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:24,800
chintz.

1169
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:27,180
The Desmonds didn't see a penny of that

1170
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:29,580
money for the chintz who are now in

1171
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:30,260
their care.

1172
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,860
And the campaign that I ran, while difficult,

1173
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,000
pales in comparison to the work that I've

1174
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,080
seen the Desmonds doing on the ground in

1175
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Liberia.

1176
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,420
You know, one of the things that amazes

1177
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:43,540
me was that in 2015, when they answered

1178
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:45,380
the call to go there in this crisis

1179
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:47,840
situation to, you know, get food and water

1180
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,740
and systems in place to care for the

1181
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:52,120
chintz abandoned on the islands, they went there

1182
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,500
during an Ebola outbreak.

1183
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,680
I mean, it was a scary time.

1184
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,620
Liberia throughout the decades has been riddled with

1185
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:00,520
civil unrest.

1186
00:46:00,740 --> 00:46:02,440
And here they sort of dropped what they

1187
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,000
were doing, moved to Liberia, again, with a

1188
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,880
plan to stay for five weeks.

1189
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,260
They are not supposed to be there now,

1190
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:12,880
almost 10 years later, but they've stayed and

1191
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,720
now they're stuck.

1192
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,860
And truth be told, until they have an

1193
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:21,560
endowment, which will ensure that the chintz have

1194
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,540
enough money to cover the cost of living

1195
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,120
and the salaries of all their employees for

1196
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,860
60 years, which is how long these chintz

1197
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:31,020
can live, the Desmonds are stuck there.

1198
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,240
And so sort of, I feel an obligation

1199
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,940
and a desire being somebody on the ground

1200
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:37,320
in the US to try and spread the

1201
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,520
word here as much as I can, because

1202
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,540
they just don't have the networks that so

1203
00:46:43,540 --> 00:46:45,020
many of the other sanctuaries like the Jane

1204
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:47,280
Goodall sanctuaries have.

1205
00:46:48,300 --> 00:46:50,240
And so, and as I mentioned earlier, it

1206
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,120
just, it bears repeating that phase one of

1207
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,820
their sanctuary, night houses, you know, basic infrastructure,

1208
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,660
nursery have been built, but they desperately need

1209
00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:05,200
to embark on phase two, which will allow

1210
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,420
the adult chintz to get out into the

1211
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:12,080
forest, climb trees and do what they are

1212
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,220
designed to do.

1213
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760
All of these chintz, all 115 chintz and

1214
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,880
the chintz who will invariably come in in

1215
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,420
the coming days, months and years, they're gonna

1216
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:23,000
spend their lives at this sanctuary.

1217
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,640
And the Desmonds wanna be sure that their

1218
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,280
sanctuary mimics to whatever extent possible their natural

1219
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,980
habitat, which is the forest.

1220
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,320
And until the adults can get out into

1221
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,160
the forest, into climb trees and express their

1222
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,060
natural behaviours, they're stuck.

1223
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,460
And so, there's a sense of urgency, not

1224
00:47:44,460 --> 00:47:46,680
only to cover their operating expenses, to feed

1225
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,200
their chintz and pay the salaries, but also

1226
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,580
expand the sanctuary with phase two and build

1227
00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:53,240
an endowment.

1228
00:47:53,380 --> 00:47:54,200
It's a lot.

1229
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
And so if whoever can help, we just

1230
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:58,920
need their help.

1231
00:47:59,620 --> 00:48:00,140
Wow.

1232
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:01,660
This is extraordinary.

1233
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:03,760
I wanna ask a couple of questions.

1234
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,820
Are you still in contact with the BBC?

1235
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,020
Because I see this as a great follow

1236
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:10,500
-up story.

1237
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,540
As a journalist myself, wow.

1238
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,200
I would jump on this as a follow

1239
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,960
-up.

1240
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:19,960
What can you do to convince them?

1241
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,380
Because that could go a long way.

1242
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,600
We are talking to them.

1243
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,020
Yes.

1244
00:48:23,020 --> 00:48:26,120
We want to see if they can re

1245
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,660
-air the first episodes, like back on their

1246
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:30,920
iPlayer and distributed out.

1247
00:48:31,020 --> 00:48:32,540
And we are talking to them about doing

1248
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:33,200
a follow-up.

1249
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480
They were going to do a part two,

1250
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,160
but that was when COVID hit and all

1251
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,240
their production stopped.

1252
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,500
So it was really bad timing on that.

1253
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,200
So we are talking to them, Jane, and

1254
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,280
we would love to do another show.

1255
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,500
It just brought so much, not only donations,

1256
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:54,240
but mostly exposure and awareness as well about

1257
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:55,360
what's going on here.

1258
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,620
So yes, of course, we would love to

1259
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:58,680
do another one.

1260
00:48:58,740 --> 00:48:59,840
And we are talking to them.

1261
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,980
But I think whether it's BBC or someone

1262
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:04,580
else, we'd love to do a follow-up.

1263
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:05,480
Absolutely.

1264
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,660
And let's see Grace again.

1265
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,220
She's hiding behind her blanket.

1266
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,040
She's getting sleepy.

1267
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,240
I'm sure.

1268
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:15,240
I'm sure.

1269
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,140
Because it's dark now.

1270
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Now, what's the rehabilitation process?

1271
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,820
You said she was literally paralysed.

1272
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,400
Look how she clings to you.

1273
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,040
It's so moving.

1274
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,160
How did you enable her to become well

1275
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,760
-adjusted and happy and giggle despite the trauma

1276
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,940
that she witnessed of her mother being killed

1277
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:39,640
in front of her?

1278
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,140
Well, I'll have to give her some credit

1279
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:45,160
because these chimpanzees, they're so inspiring.

1280
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,060
They're so resilient.

1281
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,380
They really teach us about how we can

1282
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:50,700
survive pretty much anything because they do.

1283
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,140
But we have a really intensive care programme.

1284
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,900
Our caregivers are amazing.

1285
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,840
They're just like what you see here.

1286
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,140
We give them 24-hour intensive care.

1287
00:50:00,780 --> 00:50:02,200
They come in and they get moms.

1288
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:04,500
Sometimes they have to share a mom or

1289
00:50:04,500 --> 00:50:07,620
two, but they get moms, they get love,

1290
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,140
and they're with other chimpanzees.

1291
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,200
And we just, you know, that's what turns

1292
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,740
them around.

1293
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:13,200
I mean, with Grace, we needed to do

1294
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,400
some more physical stuff.

1295
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:15,540
Of course, Jimmy's a vet.

1296
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,940
He gets them kind of healthy again.

1297
00:50:17,940 --> 00:50:19,600
They often come in, they're dehydrated.

1298
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:21,280
Some of them have broken legs.

1299
00:50:21,380 --> 00:50:22,960
We've had many come in with broken bones,

1300
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:26,280
broken arms, broken legs from shrapnel, or they've

1301
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,600
fallen out of the tree with their moms

1302
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:29,620
and broken bones.

1303
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:32,000
We've had them where they've had cuts on

1304
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,080
their heads from falling.

1305
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,680
So lots of different injuries.

1306
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,820
So it's kind of hearing that physical piece,

1307
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:40,280
but the most important piece for chimps, just

1308
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,900
like I think it would be just the

1309
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,380
same for us, right, with human orphans, is

1310
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:46,900
that just that TLC, just that constant love

1311
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:47,260
and care.

1312
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:48,940
They sleep with their caregivers.

1313
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,780
They are with them all day.

1314
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,380
If you get up, you carry them with

1315
00:50:53,380 --> 00:50:54,560
you, just like their moms would.

1316
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:56,280
So we really try and replicate what they'd

1317
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,480
have with their moms as much as possible,

1318
00:50:58,700 --> 00:50:58,880
you know.

1319
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,400
We're getting questions as people join.

1320
00:51:01,500 --> 00:51:03,600
I know you told this story, but Gail

1321
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,860
Thornberry wants to know, where did you get

1322
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:06,440
her from?

1323
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,480
Can you tell the backstory of this particular

1324
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,300
Grace, this chimpanzee?

1325
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,620
So Grace came from near the border with

1326
00:51:17,620 --> 00:51:18,380
Cote d'Ivoire.

1327
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:19,840
So she was probably on her way to

1328
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,540
be sold out to someone else.

1329
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:23,740
The far Eastern part of Liberia, which is

1330
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:26,680
very forested area and a town called Fishtown,

1331
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,080
actually.

1332
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,940
And one of the rangers who was in

1333
00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:36,100
that area heard a rumour that there was

1334
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:38,560
a chimpanzee and they went and confiscated her

1335
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,880
from the people who were keeping her as

1336
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,900
a pet or who were keeping her to

1337
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:45,260
sell.

1338
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:46,540
Maybe they were trying to get her across

1339
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:46,940
the border.

1340
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,780
And so once we heard about it-

1341
00:51:49,780 --> 00:51:50,660
And what about her mother?

1342
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,040
What about Grace's mother?

1343
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:53,920
Grace's mother was killed.

1344
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And if you, I mean, you can't see,

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but Grace has, there's several scars where you

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can see where the pellets went into her

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body and you can even still feel-

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You can feel them.

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You can feel multiple pellets, shotgun pellets that

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are embedded under her skin.

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In her muscle.

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So, and Grace's, you know, they all come,

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they all come at least traumatised, you know,

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psychologically traumatised because of what they've been through.

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And often they have physical damage or they're

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sick.

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Grace is one of the worst cases because

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she was actually paralysed.

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And it's amazing that she's been able to

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recover as much as she has.

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And we hope she'll continue to gain strength

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and function in her arm and her left

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arm and leg.

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And the thing is, Jenny was mentioning, you

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know, how we provide 24-hour care.

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You know, Grace, you know, chimpanzees, the physical

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contact.

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So you have to imagine, this is why

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we try and simulate what their life is

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like in the wild.

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You have to imagine that a baby chimpanzee

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is in 24-7 physically connected to the

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mom, like constantly touching the mom's body.

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Because if they get left behind in the

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forest by their group, they're gonna die.

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They're not gonna make it.

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And so for the first like really three

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years of their life, they barely move more

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than a few metres away from their mom

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or their aunties.

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They're always very close by because- Yeah,

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if I get up right now, which I

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wouldn't do it, but if I got up

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00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:39,940
right now, she would scream and she would

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absolutely go crazy.

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I would never do it.

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But I mean, if I just stood up

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quickly for some reason to go walk away,

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she doesn't sit here.

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00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,100
It's not like a human baby where they

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might sit on the couch and watch you

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00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,420
while you do things.

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Their instinct and their whole emotional attachment with

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their moms is to hold on to mom.

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00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
To hold on for dear life, basically.

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We just got another donation.

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00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:05,140
Kim Delgado just donated.

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Thank you, Kim.

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Thank you.

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Keep these donations coming in.

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00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,060
We're just about at the end of our

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show.

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I could go on for hours.

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00:54:14,820 --> 00:54:19,100
I am so moved by the work you

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00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:21,640
do, by the generosity of our viewers.

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00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:22,960
Wow.

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,980
Please keep these donations coming.

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00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:30,540
$25, $10, it all counts.

1409
00:54:30,540 --> 00:54:34,700
And I wanna thank Donnie Moss for making

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this happen, really reaching out to me and

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00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:41,080
saying, hey, these folks need help.

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00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,440
Thank you, Donnie, for that.

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00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:44,000
Thank you for doing this.

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00:54:44,220 --> 00:54:45,880
Yeah, I mean, thank you for all the

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00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,560
work you're doing.

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00:54:46,860 --> 00:54:49,820
It's absolutely amazing.

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00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:52,580
115 chimps.

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I'm just gonna say it one more time.

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00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,740
Please, guys, I've donated.

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00:54:58,340 --> 00:55:00,400
We've gotten a bunch of people to donate,

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000
but they need more donations.

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00:55:02,380 --> 00:55:05,340
$5, $10, $15, $20, $25.

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00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:11,840
Please, LiberiaChimpanzeeRescue.org forward slash donate.

1424
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:16,960
And I'm just absolutely touched by the work

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00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,460
you do.

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00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:18,640
God bless you.

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00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,020
Keep it up.

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00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,260
We, I hope the BBC does the video

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and we will stay on top of your

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story.

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So come back soon.

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00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:30,980
Thank you so much.

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00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:32,600
Because- Thank you, Donnie.

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00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,420
Thank you to all the donors and everyone

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00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:35,000
who watched.

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00:55:35,380 --> 00:55:38,720
And just, yeah, we're filled with gratitude tonight.

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00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,360
Thank you.

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00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,080
I am absolutely just so touched and moved.

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00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,360
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