UnchainedTV: Help PETA Stop Massive Monkey Prison in Georgia!

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All hands on deck if you love animals

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and hate cruelty.

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PETA is breaking the story.

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They've learned of plans to build a colossal

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monkey holding and monkey breeding facility in Bainbridge,

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Georgia, a small town of less than 15

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,000 people about 40 miles north of Tallahassee,

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Florida.

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The planned facility would be absolutely massive.

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It would be the largest monkey holding facility

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outside of Asia.

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This proposed operation would hold 30,000 monkeys.

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That's two monkeys for every city resident.

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And of course, it would be horrifically cruel

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and inflict terrible damage on already endangered monkey

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populations worldwide.

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And the good news is the people of

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Bainbridge are standing up and saying, no way.

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We do not want to risk disease throughout

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the United States.

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We do not want ecological disaster for our

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residents and our surrounding community.

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There you see some of the local residents

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who are manning a table.

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There you see some other local residents who

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are showing up with signs at hearings saying,

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stop the monkey farm.

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They are out there protesting.

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And some of the residents have filed a

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lawsuit as well.

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So we are going to go straight out

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to Kathy Guillermo, who is the Senior Vice

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President of Laboratory Investigations for People for the

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Ethical Treatment of Animals.

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Kathy, what is the latest on this horror?

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Well, the local residents are putting up a

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really good fight and they've got some of

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the officials on their side.

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Some of the officials have acknowledged that things

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were done wrong.

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It wasn't handled properly.

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And yet the development authority and the city

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of Bainbridge are still apparently backing this proposal.

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So the fight is not over.

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So we mentioned that there was a lawsuit

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and it's quite a long and involved lawsuit.

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Will you tell us what happens with that?

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Where does that stand?

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Well, this company, Safer Human Medicine, which is

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barely a company, you know, less than a

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year old, kind of steamrolled quietly through town,

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persuaded some officials, it appears, to back this

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proposal they had for this massive monkey facility.

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They called a meeting of the various departments,

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the tax assessors, the county board of commissioners,

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the city, the board of education, and they

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put this proposal to a vote.

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Well, it turns out that open meetings laws

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were violated in that committee meeting.

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They didn't put out a proper notice.

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They were all kinds of irregularities with it.

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So the lawsuit alleges that the contracts that

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were approved, that the proposal that was approved

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by the officials are illegal and should not

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be honoured.

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And that's what the lawsuit's about.

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So far, the county and the board of

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tax assessors is agreeing with that, but the

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city and the board of education are not.

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Wow.

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So this lawsuit, could this lawsuit stop it

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in its tracks or at least postpone it?

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Because if there's pending litigation and allegations of

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illegality by local government officials and how they

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handled this, how can they legally go ahead

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with it, Kathy?

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Yeah, that's such a great question.

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I think it could stop it in its

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tracks.

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It really could, because if they can't honour

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the $60 million in tax incentives they offered

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to this company, then the company is going

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to be hard pressed to want to go

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forward with it.

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What is really complicating this is that there

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is a bond validation measure that has already

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been approved by the court in Georgia, and

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it's very hard to stop those.

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The locals are trying their best, the district

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attorney is trying, but it's very difficult to

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stop these.

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So we really need the city and the

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board of education to come together and say

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to this company, well, if you're coming here,

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you're not getting the $60 million in tax

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incentive, we're not building your wastewater treatment plant,

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we're not doing your lobbying, and we're not

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going to smooth the way for you to

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abuse tens of thousands of monkeys in our

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backyard.

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All right, we've got callers lining up.

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Paige in Los Angeles, your question or thought

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for Kathy Guillermo Fida.

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Are you saying that taxpayer dollars are paying

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for this cruelty?

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How is this still possible that this is

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acceptable?

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And why are we not using humans now

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who willingly will bring themselves to this cruelty

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or testing?

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Why don't we use humans?

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That's my question.

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Yeah, you raised such an important question is

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why are we even using monkeys?

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That's right.

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And I don't think, frankly, monkeys are going

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to be used for all that much longer.

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We know Charles River Laboratories, which is where

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one of the executives of this new company

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used to work, they told shareholders that they

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had a 23% or 25% decrease

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in the number of monkeys used last year

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for testing, because the pharmaceutical companies didn't want

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them.

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So we already know there are ways to

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do this that are better.

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I think this was a really bad business

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plan that for some reason that I don't

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really understand the development authority of Decatur County

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got behind and steamrolled through.

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Well, come on, you know, we've been down

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this road before many years ago.

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I remember I happened to be in Puerto

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Rico for a conference when two women who

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were attorneys from the Puerto Rican Buyer Association

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Animal Law Subcommittee, I remember that, came up

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to me and said, oh my gosh, they've

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built this giant massive monkey breeding facility in

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a little town in Puerto Rico called, I

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think it was Guyama, or something like that,

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and we can't stop it.

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I said, never say you can't stop it

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until you've tried.

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And PETA was amazing on that, fought it

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all the way up to the Puerto Rican

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Supreme Court, and it was not allowed to

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open.

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That was a huge battle.

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You remember that well, Kathy.

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Is this a similar situation?

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You know, I think it is.

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I think this is people profiteering on the

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backs of these animals, hoping that the so

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-called monkey shortage in the United States is

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going to line their pockets, because monkeys are

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now selling for $15,000 a piece.

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I don't know where they're going to get

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these monkeys, but that's their plan.

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And I do think it's the same situation.

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I do think these things can be stopped.

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And you know, when you have more than

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6,000 people in Decatur County who come

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together to stop this, who are working on

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it actively every day, I don't think that

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can be ignored.

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I'm sorry to say that the two senators

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from the state of Georgia, Senators Ossock and

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Warnock, have not made a statement about it.

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I think that's a shame.

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But I also think that the citizens of

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any county and any state are far more

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powerful together than any company or any single

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legislator.

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Well, I mean, this is going to destroy

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property values.

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I'm sure that's the fear of these fine

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folks who were there at the hearing.

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This is their little quaint little town in

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Georgia, and now they're going to have this

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30,000 monkeys, two monkeys for every person.

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And imagine the excrement, and imagine the water

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use, and imagine everything, not to mention that

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monkeys do escape from facilities like this.

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We've seen it before.

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This is an outrage.

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I want to put up a banner.

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If you want to help get involved, just

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go to PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge, PETA

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.org forward slash Bainbridge.

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We emailed all the city officials whose emails

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we could get asking them for comment, did

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not hear back by deadline.

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But we invite any of the corporations that

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are involved as well as any local county

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or state officials or federal officials, for that

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matter, on at any time.

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All right, the lines are popping.

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People are upset about this.

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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas, your question or

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thought?

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Hi.

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Off-topic comments first.

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I watched the documentary par excellence, The Failed

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Experiments, and plan on a watch party in

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the near future.

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Question regarding the massive monkey prison that may

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be launched in Georgia.

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Will caged, raped, and bred individuals be designed

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to last for regulatory purposes, or else be

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used for curiosity experiments, fleecing the taxpayer to

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the tune of $20 billion with a B,

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US dollar per annum?

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Such a great question.

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If I might just jump in there, Jane.

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There are no regulatory requirements for monkeys anymore.

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Since the passage of the FDA Modernisation Act

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2.0 last year, the FDA has the

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authority to approve medications without the use of

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animals entirely.

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Contrary to the lies told by this new

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company, monkeys were never specifically required for drug

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testing.

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There are no real reasons anymore to use

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these animals, and certainly scientifically, no necessity for

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it.

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Thank you for mentioning The Failed Experiments.

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It's our new docuseries about animal experimentation.

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We're really proud of it.

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Wow, can't wait to watch that.

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All right, Michelle in Los Angeles, your question

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or thought for Kathy Guillermo, Senior Vice President

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of Laboratory Investigations for PETA.

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Thank you so much for having me on.

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This is horrific and shocking.

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I've never heard about this.

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I know PETA is out there getting the

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message out, but is there a way?

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Is the government going to be stepping in?

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How are we getting the message out, and

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how can we help?

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Well, the sad fact is I'll jump in

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and say the government is often the problem,

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but you take it away, Kathy.

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Yeah, that's right.

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The government is complicit in the use of

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monkeys.

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In fact, the Centres for Disease Control, which

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oversees the quarantine of imported monkeys, is a

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massive monkey experimenter itself.

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We have an issue with the fact that

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the government hires companies like this to buy

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monkeys from.

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They put them on contract, Charles River Laboratories,

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for example.

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It has multiple contracts with the U.S.

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government, so the government's definitely complicit.

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This situation in Georgia has made national and

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international headlines, but if you missed it, definitely

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go to PETA.org, and you can take

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action there because it's a national issue.

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It's not as though there are going to

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be 30,000 monkeys who go to this

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facility and that's that.

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There are going to be thousands of monkeys

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going in and out of this facility.

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They're going to be trucked across the United

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States.

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They may be passing through the states that

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you're in on their way to laboratories.

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We know monkeys bring disease in, no fault

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of their own.

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These stressed animals, many of them ripped out

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of their own forest homes, and these diseases

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are transmissible to humans, so it's a huge

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national concern as well as a local and

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state one.

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All right, our next caller, Tanya in Dallas,

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Texas.

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Your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo of

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People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

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Hi, I was wondering what is the background

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of the group that's building, going to be

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operating this facility, trying to operate this facility?

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Well, I think dastardly would be the word

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that I would use.

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The man who is going to be or

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is the CEO of Safer Human Medicine used

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to be the vice president and chief operating

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officer at, wait for it, the InVegal Beagle

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facility in Virginia, which was exposed in a

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PETA undercover investigation, eventually investigated by the U

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.S. Department of Justice, was compelled to close

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down, agreed to close down under threat of

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federal lawsuit, and released 4,000 beagles for

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adoption.

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So he hasn't exactly got a great track

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record.

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One of the other three people involved comes

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from Charles River Laboratories, where he was an

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executive in charge of importing monkeys.

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Let me just remind our audience, in case

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they don't know, Charles River is under investigation

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for possibly illegally importing monkeys into the U

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.S., and they're under investigation by not only

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the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Department

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of Justice, but the U.S. Securities and

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Exchange Commission for alleged irregularities.

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So it's a very checkered past these people

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bring to it.

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And I would like to play a clip

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provided by PETA that talks about, essentially, this

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is one of the people who is running

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this company that wants to open this monkey

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breeding facility.

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Here's what he told the people of Bainbridge,

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and then you can respond to it.

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So COVID happened, and when you produce beagles,

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typically they're used at 69 months for the

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research.

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So there was almost zero demand for canines,

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right?

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We could have, and then totally legal, we

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could have euthanised all of those dogs, right?

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And I said, no, we didn't try and

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make money on it.

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All right.

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What's your take on that recorded conversation?

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That was a bald-faced lie, a bald

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-faced lie.

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For years, that facility had treated those dogs

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as little more than commodities to be sold,

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which is what they were.

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Hundreds of puppies dying, terrible teeth, beagles crammed

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together in cages, barking their heads off because

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they're just so miserable, untreated veterinary conditions.

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It was a mess, and it was a

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mess on his watch.

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So to come on to the video that

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was recorded or to say to the people

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of Bainbridge, hey, it wasn't our fault, it

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was the pandemic, outright lie.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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Lindsay in Tarzana, your question or thought for

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Kathy Guillermo of People for the Ethical Treatment

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of Animals.

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Lindsay?

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Can you hear me?

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Yes.

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I just wanted to restate, I had the

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opportunity to interview Dr. Lisa Engel Jones from

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PETA, and she talked about, we talked about

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the truck accident and the individual that went

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up to and opened the curtain thinking they

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were cats and got a face full of

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monkeys, a spittle in their face, and then

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they had to go and be tested, and

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they're still, they still can have disease as

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a result of that.

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It's so unhealthy for the public.

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Animal testing fails in the human model.

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Why are we still doing it?

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We really, everyone, please help by taking action

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on this.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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And I want to remind everybody, if so

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many people are outraged, we're getting a lot

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of, take that outrage and visit peta.org

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forward slash Bainbridge, B-A-I-N-B

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-R-I-D-G-E.

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This is the city, the town really, where

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they want to build this massive monkey breeding

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facility.

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You can go there, you can write to

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city officials, you can get involved.

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It can't just be PETA doing it on

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their own.

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PETA needs to mobilise people.

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That's why we're doing this today, to get

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every single person who writes an email.

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And it's so easy.

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They have all the emails gathered in one

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spot.

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You copy it, you put it in, and

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you write your email.

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That will help.

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And so, yeah.

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Why?

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Why didn't the city, these cities, and this

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is similar to what happened in Hendry County,

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Florida, which was yet another attempt to build

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one of these massive monkey breeding facilities, which

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PETA again stopped.

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So they stopped it in Puerto Rico, they

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stopped it in Hendry County, but it always

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seems like somebody comes in and tells the

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city, you're going to make a lot of

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money.

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And they kind of believe that this is

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somehow going to bring in bucks, when in

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fact, I think the opposite could be true.

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Oh, I think very much so, especially when

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the bottom falls out of the monkey experimentation

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market.

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And it seems to us from the records

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that we have reviewed, that this was a

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project that the company brought to the development

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authority, the development authority in collaboration with the

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city, put this proposal together.

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And there was very little notice before the

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meeting.

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They didn't realise they were going to need

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to be voting on it that day.

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It doesn't excuse anything.

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These are public officials who need to know

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what they're about to bring to their city.

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But it does appear that they swallowed wholeheartedly

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the lies of Safer Human Medicine, that these

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were going to be desirable jobs, as though

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making $16 an hour, taking care of abused

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monkeys is a desirable job, that there would

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be no threat to the community.

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This facility is about a quarter of a

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mile from the Flint River, and at full

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capacity will be producing 444,000 gallons of

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wastewater by their own statistics.

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And it's less than 300 feet from some

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people's houses, some people's yards.

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It was very ill-conceived.

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So I'm sure the people in that area,

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and we've seen the photos that I got

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off of the PETA website of people, there

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they have tables against this, they're attending meetings

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against this, they're holding up signs, they're filing

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lawsuits or a lawsuit.

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I mean, doesn't that hold sway with the

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town?

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It does with some of the officials, and

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I have to hand it to the citizens

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of Bainbridge.

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What a great group of people who have

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worked so hard to defeat this, and have

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been at every meeting and have been to

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see their officials and have been out in

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the streets and educating the public, and they

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have a website and they have a Facebook

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page, which you can find if you go

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to PETA.org.

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And they've done just a tremendous job.

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And it is, I have to say, disappointing

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that the city has not yet backed off

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this plan officially.

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They released a statement saying, we've heard you

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loud and clear, we don't support it, we

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will not be taking any further action.

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However, what we need is for the city

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to take action and to admit that they

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violated the Open Meetings Act to some degree

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at least, and to reject the proposal that

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they approved.

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If you can prove, and it seems pretty

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obvious from what I've looked at, that yes,

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they did violate the Open Meetings Act.

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There was something like a 50 plus million

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dollar benefit to this corporation, what you'd characterise

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as a sweetheart deal to encourage them to

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come there?

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I mean, shouldn't it be the other way?

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I don't understand.

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You know, it's a mystery to me why

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they thought this was going to be desirable

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business to have in their backyard.

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Now, I understand communities wanting to bring businesses

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in, I understand them offering incentives, but the

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sweetheart deal that this company got is almost

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beyond belief.

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Yes, 58 million dollars in tax incentives, they

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wouldn't be paying full taxes for at least

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a decade after they moved in, if they're

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still in business.

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This is money the city and the county

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may never recoup if this goes through.

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There were all kinds of other promises made

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to them, including, you know, we will smooth

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the way for the permitting process for you,

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we will use our lobbyists to help you

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gain all the incentives that you needed.

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It's just almost unbelievable.

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Wow, okay.

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We've got Emick in Los Angeles, your question

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or thought for Kathy Guillermo, people for the

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ethical treatment of animals.

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Hello, I really love your work, it's always

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inspiring, thank you.

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So the ignorance of officials is criminal as

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usual when it comes to animals, and we

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know animal tests don't benefit humans, then it's

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just abused on the hands of humans, and

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it causes suffering to animals and humans, because

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humans are waiting for a cure through these

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experiments that is never going to come.

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So I'm curious, like, to me, anyone who

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brings animal testing and abuse must be fired

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immediately, it's 2024.

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How can we demand that animal abusers are

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filtered out of the hiring process, or the

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election process, even from the government position, so

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we can prevent wasting lives of poor animals

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and resources before these crimes reach government level?

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Excellent question, Kathy.

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Well, you know, we've got a plan for

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the phase out of animal experimentation called the

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research modernisation deal, and we do ask our

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supporters to get in touch with their members

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of Congress about it and ask them to

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support it.

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It lays out the case for the fact

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that animal experiments have failed to produce cures

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and treatments for humans who desperately need it.

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What we have to overcome is this massive

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industry of people like Safer Human Medicine, and

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Charles River, and these companies that import and

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breed and sell animals, the cage makers, the

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food makers, and the experimenters themselves who learned

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one way of doing science, and even though

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it's not working, can't bring themselves to change

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that way.

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I will say, finally, after many years of

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submitting formal comments of protesting the National Institutes

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of Health, the biggest funder of animal experimentation,

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we're starting to see a little bit of

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movement and support for non-animal methods.

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There's a long way to go.

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The best thing you can do is get

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in touch with their legislators and remind them

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that they need to take action.

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We have many members of Congress on our

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side now, so I think this is doable.

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And I have to say, just when I

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was getting ready to do this broadcast, PETA,

542
00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:29,590
who never sleeps, came up with a victory,

543
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:32,710
and I decided, let's talk about it here.

544
00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:35,470
Dear Jane, in a PETA victory, this was

545
00:22:35,470 --> 00:22:37,890
this morning, baby rats will no longer be

546
00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:40,190
fed an iron deficient diet to induce anaemia

547
00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:42,970
in cruel experiments in which they are fed

548
00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:45,730
a test food and their blood is repeatedly

549
00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:48,210
taken, conducted by companies wanting to make iron

550
00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:50,730
-related health claims for marketing their food or

551
00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:52,670
beverage products in Taiwan.

552
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:53,950
Tell us about this victory.

553
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:57,550
Well, yes, this is one of a string

554
00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:58,650
of victories in Taiwan.

555
00:22:58,930 --> 00:23:03,610
We're working systematically to end the testing involving

556
00:23:03,610 --> 00:23:06,090
animals for food ingredients and food products.

557
00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:08,010
It's a marketing issue.

558
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:08,970
That's all it is.

559
00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:10,930
They want to do these horrible tests on

560
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:13,010
animals where they force feed them things, run

561
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:15,110
them on treadmills so that they can make

562
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:18,530
claims about how healthy food ingredients are.

563
00:23:18,990 --> 00:23:21,070
The science is not there to back it.

564
00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:23,870
And so we have been working with the

565
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:27,430
Taiwanese government and the officials there to remove

566
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:30,290
their requirements for animal testing for a whole

567
00:23:30,290 --> 00:23:31,210
host of claims.

568
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:33,050
And this is the most recent.

569
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:36,830
This will now be a direction of the

570
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:39,550
government agency in Taiwan that these tests are

571
00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:42,150
no longer required, no longer necessary in order

572
00:23:42,150 --> 00:23:45,370
to make health claims about iron-related products.

573
00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:46,250
Wow.

574
00:23:46,410 --> 00:23:46,590
Okay.

575
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:48,830
We've got yet another caller, Tiffany in Los

576
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:51,730
Angeles, your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo

577
00:23:51,730 --> 00:23:52,210
of PETA.

578
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:54,210
Yes.

579
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:56,470
Thank you so much for spreading the word

580
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:58,270
about this and what we can do to

581
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:01,390
sign the petition and go to the PETA

582
00:24:01,390 --> 00:24:01,650
site.

583
00:24:01,790 --> 00:24:03,730
Also, do you think that they'll be planning

584
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:07,350
any mass demonstration or a type of rally?

585
00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:09,130
I'm sure folks from all over would like

586
00:24:09,130 --> 00:24:09,690
to attend.

587
00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:12,430
Yeah.

588
00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:17,190
I see the photos of the folks there

589
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:20,550
going to meetings, et cetera.

590
00:24:21,050 --> 00:24:23,330
If I go back, if I hearken back

591
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:26,270
to our time where we successfully, and I

592
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:29,170
say we, I was a little tiny little

593
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:34,230
blip, PETA did this, stopped the Hendry, well,

594
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:36,850
the Puerto Rico and the Hendry County, particularly

595
00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:40,910
the Hendry County plan, Hendry County, Florida, very

596
00:24:40,910 --> 00:24:41,990
similar situation.

597
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:44,670
Company comes in, all of a sudden there's

598
00:24:44,670 --> 00:24:46,890
like backroom dealing allegedly.

599
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:50,190
And suddenly they've got this plan for this

600
00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:51,710
massive monkey breeding facility.

601
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:53,810
PETA did, correct me if I'm wrong, an

602
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:56,950
undercover investigation at the facility that was going

603
00:24:56,950 --> 00:25:03,690
to be the basis or the home site

604
00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:05,150
for the new facility.

605
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:08,490
And I can tell you what stopped it

606
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:15,470
was PETA and a lot of extremely confrontational

607
00:25:15,470 --> 00:25:18,570
protests by local residents.

608
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,330
And I'll never forget this moment where there

609
00:25:21,330 --> 00:25:23,490
we are outside the Hendry County courthouse.

610
00:25:24,010 --> 00:25:26,750
And some of the proponents of this monkey

611
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:29,290
breeding facility said, these are animal rights extremists.

612
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:31,430
And all of a sudden, about 20 old

613
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:33,990
ladies in tennis shoes, one of whom was

614
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:35,810
wearing a little hat with a plastic orange

615
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:38,970
on her head, in their eighties were like,

616
00:25:39,390 --> 00:25:41,270
you're going to call us animal rights activists.

617
00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:43,070
We're, we're citizens.

618
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:46,150
We don't want to ruin our beautiful state

619
00:25:46,150 --> 00:25:47,410
and our beautiful community.

620
00:25:47,410 --> 00:25:52,530
Clearly these were local residencies, weren't some animal

621
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:55,090
activists who came in from out of state.

622
00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:56,950
It was, as was alleged, I was out

623
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:58,030
of state, but I was there as a

624
00:25:58,030 --> 00:26:02,230
reporter, but they had to get really in

625
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:05,470
your face with these Hendry County commissioners till

626
00:26:05,470 --> 00:26:09,410
they really felt like, oh, my career's over

627
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:12,350
if I don't, it can't just be polite.

628
00:26:12,730 --> 00:26:14,550
Unfortunately, I wish it could.

629
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:17,750
Well, I'll tell you the residents of Bainbridge

630
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:19,710
have been very much in the faces of

631
00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:20,330
their officials.

632
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:23,030
They've been to the city, the city meetings

633
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:25,750
and the County commissioners, dozens of them have

634
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:28,170
spoken publicly and, and quite loudly.

635
00:26:28,290 --> 00:26:31,210
And because Bainbridge is a small town, they

636
00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:33,350
see these people on the streets and they're

637
00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:34,830
in their faces on the streets.

638
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:36,670
There has been at least one protest.

639
00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,930
And I think there will be more at

640
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:39,430
the moment.

641
00:26:39,550 --> 00:26:42,090
The, the method that, that what we have

642
00:26:42,090 --> 00:26:44,270
needed is for people to speak out to

643
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:47,870
their legislative representatives, to the officials in those

644
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:48,330
meetings.

645
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:51,530
And, and that I think will lead to

646
00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:53,330
the kind of protests that you're talking about

647
00:26:53,330 --> 00:26:55,910
on a national level at the moment there,

648
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:58,290
there is the most effective thing that people

649
00:26:58,290 --> 00:27:00,270
can do is take, take action on our

650
00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:01,690
website, send those emails.

651
00:27:01,790 --> 00:27:02,970
It is a national issue.

652
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:03,970
Yes.

653
00:27:04,170 --> 00:27:04,570
Okay.

654
00:27:04,730 --> 00:27:07,930
And there it's, I want to clarify, because

655
00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:10,310
if you go to pita.org forward slash

656
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:12,510
Bainbridge, you can write to the local city

657
00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:16,570
officials, but you can also write to, let's

658
00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:19,170
say your senators, your members of Congress.

659
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:20,430
Can you break it down for us?

660
00:27:21,270 --> 00:27:21,510
Yeah.

661
00:27:21,670 --> 00:27:24,030
You know, it's, it's important, I think, first

662
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:26,370
of all, to let the city know they

663
00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:29,110
are, and I, I believe this is correct.

664
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:31,350
Some of them are very ashamed that they

665
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:34,010
have made international news that they're seeing the

666
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:36,330
city of Bainbridge on a Facebook page in

667
00:27:36,330 --> 00:27:39,470
France because of the upcoming abuse of monkeys.

668
00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:41,530
And they're, and they're very sensitive to this

669
00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:41,970
publicity.

670
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:45,150
They, they are sensitive to criticism from outside.

671
00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:46,850
So that's why I think it's important for

672
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:48,630
everybody to get in touch with the city

673
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:50,830
officials and, and the other officials there.

674
00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:54,270
It's also important to go to the congressional

675
00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:55,770
representatives in this state.

676
00:27:56,010 --> 00:27:59,370
There are thousands and thousands of constituents who

677
00:27:59,370 --> 00:28:00,130
oppose this.

678
00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:03,690
We believe that the, that the congressman there,

679
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:07,570
Sanford Bishop, Representative Bishop, should be making a

680
00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:08,650
statement about this.

681
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:11,430
What these legislators can do may be somewhat

682
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:13,950
limited based on the court cases and the

683
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:16,470
procedure in the county, but they can certainly

684
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:19,090
say we stand with the residents of Decatur

685
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:20,990
County and the citizens of Bainbridge.

686
00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:23,650
The same for the two senators, Senator Ossoff

687
00:28:23,650 --> 00:28:24,670
and Senator Warnock.

688
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:28,070
We have met with locals, with all of

689
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:29,870
the staff members and with some of these

690
00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:32,110
legislators via Zoom.

691
00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:34,810
The locals have expressed their concern.

692
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:37,770
These legislators know the citizens oppose it.

693
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:39,890
And I think it's shameful that they have

694
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:42,470
not yet made a statement standing with their

695
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:45,310
own constituents in opposition to safer human medicine.

696
00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:48,310
I've often said it's sad, but when you're

697
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:50,530
starting, when you're trying to stop any of

698
00:28:50,530 --> 00:28:53,090
this stuff, it's really, you got to get

699
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:54,930
to a math, it's like game theory.

700
00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:58,610
When it's more painful for them to support

701
00:28:58,610 --> 00:29:01,370
it in terms of their career, in terms

702
00:29:01,370 --> 00:29:03,690
of their reputation, in terms of money, in

703
00:29:03,690 --> 00:29:07,210
terms of just chaos in their lives, that's

704
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:10,130
when it doesn't matter whether it's somebody selling

705
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:14,130
fur, some company selling fur or situations like

706
00:29:14,130 --> 00:29:16,090
this, that's when they stop.

707
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,450
The pressure has to be on.

708
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:22,710
And this is why I say everybody, I've

709
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:23,530
already done it.

710
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:26,670
As a journalist, I emailed every city official

711
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:32,570
on the PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge site

712
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:35,570
saying we were doing this story, listing some

713
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:37,890
of the allegations, asking for a response.

714
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:40,390
And I can also write as a citizen.

715
00:29:40,670 --> 00:29:42,710
I will also write as a citizen, but

716
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:44,250
we need everybody to do that.

717
00:29:44,370 --> 00:29:46,530
If you're upset, when you look at the

718
00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:49,910
photos of these animals and it breaks my

719
00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:52,310
heart, look at their fear, look at their

720
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:52,790
terror.

721
00:29:53,610 --> 00:29:56,950
These are our ancestors, our relatives, and we

722
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:59,650
are torturing them for no reason.

723
00:30:00,370 --> 00:30:02,870
But that people are stuck in their ways

724
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:05,790
and they are wanting more money for their

725
00:30:05,790 --> 00:30:07,870
McMansions, fake science.

726
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:11,370
And that's what I say, fake science, scam

727
00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:11,830
artists.

728
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:16,670
Because 90% or more of the experiments

729
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:19,310
that work in animals don't work in humans.

730
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:22,490
And let's go to one more caller and

731
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:23,490
then we're going to come back.

732
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:24,790
Oh, we got two more callers.

733
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:25,530
Okay.

734
00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:29,090
Annie and Sherman Oaks, your question or thought.

735
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:31,600
Yes.

736
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,600
Thank you so much.

737
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:33,100
Hi, Kathy.

738
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:33,560
Hi, Jane.

739
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,860
Thank you so much for having this.

740
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,840
This is something that really bleeds my heart.

741
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:43,140
Being in the psychology department, I remember universities

742
00:30:43,140 --> 00:30:45,000
having a big role in this too.

743
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:49,100
And they actually want the funding to come

744
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,140
big, billions of dollars of our taxes go

745
00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:53,220
to experiments.

746
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,660
How can we block all governmental, not only

747
00:30:57,660 --> 00:31:00,940
in Georgia, they do all these bleeding of

748
00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:04,200
animals, torturing them for money and it never

749
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,760
works.

750
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:07,700
How can we stop governmental from the root?

751
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,040
What can we do?

752
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,940
And I'm more than ready to volunteer to

753
00:31:11,940 --> 00:31:13,700
do with PETA, whatever is needed.

754
00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,500
So thank you so much for all that

755
00:31:16,500 --> 00:31:17,020
you're doing.

756
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:19,580
Well, let me ask you, Annie, are you

757
00:31:19,580 --> 00:31:21,880
going to go to PETA.org forward slash

758
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,780
Bainbridge and write those emails?

759
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:26,300
Absolutely.

760
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Absolutely.

761
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,900
And I will share them and I will

762
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:30,920
do it again and again.

763
00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:31,580
Absolutely.

764
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:32,540
Okay.

765
00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:33,520
Thank you.

766
00:31:33,820 --> 00:31:34,240
All right.

767
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,700
Kathy, what do you say?

768
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Well, you know, there are several things that

769
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,020
can be done.

770
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,840
It needs to be stopped on the local

771
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,500
level and it needs to be stopped on

772
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,660
the national level, locally or in your state.

773
00:31:45,660 --> 00:31:48,080
If there are universities in your state that

774
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,640
are experimenting on animals, and it's likely that

775
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,280
there are, be in touch with those universities

776
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
and say, you don't, you will not support

777
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:55,720
them.

778
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,900
You want them to stop it.

779
00:31:57,020 --> 00:31:59,060
If you're a member of an alumni or

780
00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,560
association, or you are an alumni of a

781
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,160
university alumni, I think of a university that

782
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,620
experiments on animals, let them know you will

783
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:11,920
never be contributing to that university because of

784
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,340
the experimentation on animals.

785
00:32:13,780 --> 00:32:13,940
It's important.

786
00:32:13,940 --> 00:32:15,640
And I want to jump in and say

787
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,460
that my alma mater NYU calls me every

788
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:20,100
so often.

789
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,080
And I say, until you stop all animal

790
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,000
experimentation, I am not giving a penny to

791
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,320
NYU, not a single penny.

792
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,800
Please pass that along to upstairs.

793
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:34,980
I say it every time.

794
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:35,280
Fantastic.

795
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,860
That's exactly what needs to be done.

796
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,500
Then on the national level, we have the

797
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,260
National Institutes of Health, which doles out about

798
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:47,540
$19 billion to various facilities, mainly universities in

799
00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:48,620
the US and overseas.

800
00:32:49,460 --> 00:32:52,240
And they have a long way to go.

801
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:54,160
And the only thing that is going to

802
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,820
change it is public outcries.

803
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:57,680
Just as you said, Jane, it's got to

804
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,480
be pressure and it's got to be constant.

805
00:32:59,780 --> 00:33:01,620
It's got to be more painful for them

806
00:33:01,620 --> 00:33:03,500
to do this than to stop it.

807
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,700
And that's both pressure on NIH.

808
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,540
And you can do that through many of

809
00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:09,820
the action alerts on our website and also

810
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:10,700
members of Congress.

811
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,440
There are two things, if I may say

812
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,780
for members of Congress, one is to urge

813
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:17,800
them to support the research modernisation deal or

814
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,320
the RMD as we call it.

815
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,460
And the second is a very important bill

816
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:22,520
that we're working on.

817
00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:23,960
It's called the Cargo Act.

818
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
It's CEAS Animal Research.

819
00:33:28,390 --> 00:33:30,270
Okay, I forget what it stands for offhand.

820
00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:34,310
But it's at foreign facilities.

821
00:33:34,690 --> 00:33:39,650
And we've given about $2 billion to laboratories

822
00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:42,410
in other countries to experiment on animals.

823
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:45,750
And as PETA uncovered in the country of

824
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:49,030
Colombia, there's nobody paying attention to what's going

825
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:49,370
on.

826
00:33:49,650 --> 00:33:53,410
The Cargo Act will stop funding animal experiments

827
00:33:53,410 --> 00:33:57,210
overseas by NIH, not non-animal research, that

828
00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:57,870
may continue.

829
00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:00,210
But these foreign labs that are doing things

830
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:04,050
like addicting dogs to opioids and blinding and

831
00:34:04,050 --> 00:34:06,130
cutting out the eyes of mice and monkeys

832
00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:09,070
and causing strokes in monkeys, that could be

833
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:09,489
stopped.

834
00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:12,330
So urge your representatives to support that bill.

835
00:34:12,350 --> 00:34:14,550
And it seems so crazy to me, we

836
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:17,670
went through a pandemic, whether you believe it

837
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:22,270
started in the Wuhan wet market or the

838
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:25,870
Wuhan lab, the commonality is animals were being

839
00:34:25,870 --> 00:34:26,290
tortured.

840
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:29,090
And you would think you would learn, especially

841
00:34:29,090 --> 00:34:31,790
with the controversy over the Wuhan lab, that

842
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:34,030
the United States shouldn't be handing out money

843
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:38,489
to foreign laboratories with zero oversight.

844
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:40,550
They shouldn't be handing out money to do

845
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:42,010
animal experiments, period.

846
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:45,190
And how is it that even despite the

847
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:47,230
pandemic, they haven't gotten this lesson?

848
00:34:47,889 --> 00:34:49,870
It's crazy and makes no sense.

849
00:34:49,949 --> 00:34:51,429
And I think, you know, with regard to

850
00:34:51,429 --> 00:34:54,290
the Georgia facility, the disease issue is very

851
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:54,889
serious.

852
00:34:55,350 --> 00:34:57,730
I mean, we know from the CDC's own

853
00:34:57,730 --> 00:35:00,310
records that the number of animals coming into

854
00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:03,370
this country with diseases transmissible to humans like

855
00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:07,190
malaria and tuberculosis has skyrocketed in the last

856
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:07,930
several years.

857
00:35:08,490 --> 00:35:11,030
And there are diseases in our country now

858
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:13,650
that haven't been here before or haven't been

859
00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:16,130
identified here before, including a new strain of

860
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:16,870
tuberculosis.

861
00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:20,550
There's actually a disease, a pathogen that causes

862
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:24,470
a disease called Melioidosis, hard to say, but

863
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:27,370
just remember this, it's considered a tier one

864
00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:30,150
select agent that could be used for bioterrorism.

865
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:32,670
It's now in our soils, in our soil

866
00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:34,530
in this country, and it has come in

867
00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:35,330
with monkeys.

868
00:35:35,730 --> 00:35:37,250
So I think we really need to pay

869
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:38,030
attention to this.

870
00:35:38,170 --> 00:35:41,110
And for some reason, the very agencies, the

871
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:43,370
CDC and the NIH that are supposed to

872
00:35:43,370 --> 00:35:47,390
protect us from these pandemics are enabling the

873
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:50,430
transport of monkeys with diseases and with pathogens

874
00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:51,590
to come into this country.

875
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:52,990
It really makes no sense.

876
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:55,290
And they escape.

877
00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:59,090
One of the things that people, and I

878
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:01,810
think this could be a real strong talking

879
00:36:01,810 --> 00:36:04,810
point for the people of Bainbridge, there's a

880
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:06,550
history of these monkeys escaping.

881
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:09,550
They're smart and they find ways out and

882
00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:11,710
then they go into the community and it's

883
00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:12,930
happened time and time again.

884
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:14,170
Can you address that Kathy?

885
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:16,010
Yes, it's inevitable.

886
00:36:16,330 --> 00:36:17,750
It's not a matter of if it will

887
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:19,150
happen, but when it will happen.

888
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:23,090
Monkeys and chimpanzees and other animals or other

889
00:36:23,090 --> 00:36:26,810
primates have escaped from so-called, you know,

890
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:30,630
upscale for lack of a better word facilities,

891
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,830
facilities that are considered prestigious.

892
00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:36,670
They've escaped in Texas, in Louisiana, in Florida,

893
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:39,850
in North Carolina, and in many other places.

894
00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,630
And yes, they don't want to be in

895
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:42,110
these cages.

896
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:43,550
If they can figure out a way to

897
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:45,290
get out, they're going to get out and

898
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:46,790
they're going to get out with their diseases.

899
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:50,690
The accident, the road accident in Pennsylvania that

900
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:53,710
one of the callers referred to earlier was

901
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:55,890
a shipload of monkeys coming in on a

902
00:36:55,890 --> 00:36:58,530
plane to New York and being trucked across

903
00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:00,450
country to some unknown facility.

904
00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:03,390
And there was a car accident and a

905
00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:05,030
truck accident in Pennsylvania.

906
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:07,390
The crates that you see the pictures of

907
00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:09,650
here spilled out onto the road.

908
00:37:10,270 --> 00:37:12,830
And the people who stopped to help didn't

909
00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:14,290
know what animals were in them.

910
00:37:14,570 --> 00:37:18,830
The woman who got some monkey saliva in

911
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:20,790
her eye was told that there were cats

912
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:21,890
in these crates.

913
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:23,150
So she went up to try to help

914
00:37:23,150 --> 00:37:25,390
and ended up in an emergency room and

915
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:27,390
undergoing a course of therapy to make sure

916
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:31,370
she didn't contract herpes B, a nearly universal

917
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:35,310
fatal illness that monkeys carry without a problem.

918
00:37:35,410 --> 00:37:37,030
But when it gets into a human system,

919
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:37,990
you die.

920
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:40,490
23 lab workers have died of herpes B.

921
00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:42,790
So these are very serious issues.

922
00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:45,490
All right, we've got Susan in Dallas, Texas,

923
00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:47,330
your question or thought for Kathy Guillermo.

924
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:49,490
Hi.

925
00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:52,950
First, I really wanted to thank you, Eugene,

926
00:37:53,110 --> 00:37:55,870
for doing this show and also Peter for

927
00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:57,130
all your incredible work.

928
00:37:57,790 --> 00:38:00,150
My question is, have we thought about or

929
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:03,570
is there any way to question the company

930
00:38:03,570 --> 00:38:04,110
itself?

931
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:07,290
Because it seems to me safer human medicine

932
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:09,930
is a lie, as we all know.

933
00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:12,190
So can we approach that?

934
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:15,610
You know, it's a good question.

935
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:17,990
And we certainly would like to.

936
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:20,930
This company is shrouded in some mystery.

937
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:23,930
It was just incorporated about a year ago.

938
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:26,970
There are only three names associated with it,

939
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:30,550
men who came from other companies with troubled

940
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:31,290
pasts.

941
00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:33,190
We only know of one funder.

942
00:38:33,350 --> 00:38:38,910
It's an investment firm that funds the development

943
00:38:38,910 --> 00:38:41,010
of pharmaceuticals, from what we can tell.

944
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:43,830
They are not interested in going and not

945
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:45,190
carrying this through, however.

946
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:47,230
I mean, these are people who aren't going

947
00:38:47,230 --> 00:38:48,450
to live in the state of Georgia.

948
00:38:48,730 --> 00:38:50,950
They would like to plop this facility down

949
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:53,010
and then go back to their, you know,

950
00:38:53,070 --> 00:38:55,190
their homes and communities that are much safer.

951
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:57,810
And I don't think there's any talking to

952
00:38:57,810 --> 00:38:58,530
them about it.

953
00:38:58,590 --> 00:39:01,350
They want to steamroller this through despite the

954
00:39:01,350 --> 00:39:02,910
objections of the citizens.

955
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:04,870
And they've said as much, you know, we

956
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:06,910
really don't care that you don't want this

957
00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:07,610
in your community.

958
00:39:07,610 --> 00:39:08,810
We want to make this happen.

959
00:39:09,570 --> 00:39:09,830
Wow.

960
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:12,750
I just want to go back and just,

961
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:17,490
first of all, applaud PETA for being relentless

962
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:22,530
and never, never stopping because of the situation

963
00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:25,750
in Puerto Rico that I remember happening where

964
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:27,850
they tried to build a similar facility.

965
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:29,590
Oh my gosh.

966
00:39:29,590 --> 00:39:31,590
I think that was way back in something

967
00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:32,990
like 2009.

968
00:39:33,830 --> 00:39:35,290
That sounds about right.

969
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:35,690
Yeah.

970
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:37,930
And so you stopped it there.

971
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:39,590
And again, you had to take it all

972
00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:40,770
the way up to the Puerto Rican Supreme

973
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,090
Court to stop it.

974
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:44,110
And this is what they did there is

975
00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:47,030
they built the entire facility first, and then

976
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:51,350
they asked for permission, probably, you know, handing

977
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:52,730
out God only knows what.

978
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:57,010
But because they didn't get the proper permits,

979
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:58,450
it went all the way up to the

980
00:39:58,450 --> 00:39:59,350
Puerto Rican Supreme Court.

981
00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:01,190
They weren't allowed to open that facility.

982
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:04,550
Then we had a situation in Hendry County

983
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:10,470
where there was a plan to bring in

984
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:11,910
a new facility.

985
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:14,130
There was some guy who came from out

986
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:17,890
of town who was kind of like promoting

987
00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:18,490
it.

988
00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:22,750
And it was such a saga.

989
00:40:24,010 --> 00:40:28,410
I remember that there was a moment where

990
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:31,610
all the different counties were going to show

991
00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:35,330
off their business plans and everything they were

992
00:40:35,330 --> 00:40:36,690
going to do for new business.

993
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:40,490
And we were there at this event in

994
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:42,590
Fort Myers, sitting at all these tables.

995
00:40:43,110 --> 00:40:45,670
And there was this one activist who said,

996
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:46,830
I really don't want to be here.

997
00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:48,570
And I said, well, you don't have to

998
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:49,770
be here if you don't want to.

999
00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:50,890
We bought tickets.

1000
00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:51,510
We're here.

1001
00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:53,250
Let's just see what happens.

1002
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:55,450
And we were just sitting there as Hendry

1003
00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:58,990
County did their entire presentation, never mentioning the

1004
00:40:58,990 --> 00:41:00,150
proposed monkey facility.

1005
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:03,470
And this same woman who was so reluctant

1006
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:05,450
to be there suddenly jumped up.

1007
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:07,930
This happened, ran to the front of the

1008
00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:11,010
stage, jumped on the stage and said, you

1009
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:12,250
are lying.

1010
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:15,830
You are omitting the huge monkey breeding facility

1011
00:41:15,830 --> 00:41:16,590
you want to put here.

1012
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:18,190
All hell broke loose.

1013
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:20,030
And that was the end of it.

1014
00:41:20,290 --> 00:41:22,790
And then when we drove up to investigate

1015
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:25,810
further, a few days later or a week

1016
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:28,830
later, sometime later, the guy who had come

1017
00:41:28,830 --> 00:41:30,430
from out of town to push this whole

1018
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:32,050
thing had left.

1019
00:41:32,370 --> 00:41:34,230
And literally, it was like he cleared out

1020
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:34,830
and fled.

1021
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:37,850
The door to his home was open.

1022
00:41:38,190 --> 00:41:40,170
And we just walked in and we looked.

1023
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:43,110
It was like he skipped town.

1024
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:47,690
That has never lost me, never left me,

1025
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:53,170
that whole saga, where one protester who at

1026
00:41:53,170 --> 00:41:54,630
first didn't want to be there, but then

1027
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:58,510
when she heard the dissembling and saw that

1028
00:41:58,510 --> 00:42:00,950
they were going to hide this big plan,

1029
00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:03,250
just lost it and jumped up there.

1030
00:42:03,550 --> 00:42:05,750
She wasn't violent, but she disrupted the whole

1031
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:07,930
thing and said, you're leaving out your big

1032
00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:08,470
plan.

1033
00:42:08,850 --> 00:42:10,850
And it made the news.

1034
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:12,030
It was chaos.

1035
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:13,530
And that's what did it in.

1036
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:16,270
I personally believe, obviously, along with the great

1037
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:18,730
work of PETA, it just shows you one

1038
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:23,670
potent activist really putting her foot down and

1039
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:26,970
being disruptive in a peaceful, nonviolent way, that

1040
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:28,030
can also help.

1041
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:29,990
It's everything, Jane.

1042
00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:30,770
It's everything.

1043
00:42:31,010 --> 00:42:33,010
And as far as sticking to a campaign,

1044
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:34,930
well, that comes directly from my boss, Ingrid

1045
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:37,430
Newkirk, who always says animals don't need five

1046
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:38,010
-minute friends.

1047
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:40,410
We've got to start something and we've got

1048
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:41,050
to see it through.

1049
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:43,390
And I have to also let your audience

1050
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:45,650
know that Charles River is trying to put

1051
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:47,490
a similar facility in Texas.

1052
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:49,950
And we've worked with the locals there.

1053
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:53,170
We're perhaps in a slightly better place there

1054
00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:56,130
now than we are in Georgia, because Charles

1055
00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:57,910
River has said, look, we didn't know there

1056
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:58,990
would be such opposition.

1057
00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:00,870
We're putting this plan on hold for the

1058
00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:01,150
moment.

1059
00:43:01,450 --> 00:43:04,570
The fight's not over, but the point is

1060
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:05,790
this can happen anywhere.

1061
00:43:06,170 --> 00:43:07,650
This can happen in your community.

1062
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:09,270
If you think it's just Georgia or you

1063
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:12,270
think it's just Brazoria County, Texas, it's not.

1064
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:14,110
It can be anywhere where there's a piece

1065
00:43:14,110 --> 00:43:15,770
of land where somebody thinks they can make

1066
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:18,930
money by buying and selling monkeys like they're

1067
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:19,350
slaves.

1068
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:20,670
Wow.

1069
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:22,550
Well, we have a lot of people who

1070
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:23,890
called in from Texas today.

1071
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:26,890
So what can they do?

1072
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:30,130
Is Brazoria County where they were trying to

1073
00:43:30,130 --> 00:43:30,670
plan this?

1074
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:31,530
That's right.

1075
00:43:31,590 --> 00:43:33,690
It's down by the Gulf Coast.

1076
00:43:33,850 --> 00:43:36,350
They want to put in a facility that's

1077
00:43:36,350 --> 00:43:38,950
on a wetlands area, which of course is

1078
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:41,170
extremely dangerous for a whole lot of reasons.

1079
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:44,090
And in both Texas and Georgia, the storm

1080
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:45,210
issues are significant.

1081
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:48,090
There are hurricane areas, there are flood areas.

1082
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:50,430
And if you know, I spoke with an

1083
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:52,290
organisation that does a lot of work with

1084
00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:53,850
small animal shelters in Georgia.

1085
00:43:53,850 --> 00:43:55,690
And she said, when there's a storm and

1086
00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:57,990
there's a flood, it is a disaster when

1087
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:59,830
you have 50 dogs in a facility.

1088
00:44:00,190 --> 00:44:01,910
Imagine you have a flood and there's 30

1089
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:03,070
,000 monkeys in them.

1090
00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:06,130
But as far as to answer your question,

1091
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:07,590
what people can do is just go to

1092
00:44:07,590 --> 00:44:10,250
PETA.org and you'll see information about the

1093
00:44:10,250 --> 00:44:14,750
Texas facility or simply Google PETA Brazoria County.

1094
00:44:15,010 --> 00:44:16,750
That's B-R-A-Z-O-R-I

1095
00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:17,010
-A.

1096
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:20,610
And unlike in Georgia, we've had the good

1097
00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:23,430
ear of many legislators who are listening to

1098
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:26,850
their constituents and the city and the county

1099
00:44:26,850 --> 00:44:29,830
officials in that community have listened to their

1100
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:30,410
constituents.

1101
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:32,530
And that's what we need to happen in

1102
00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:33,250
Georgia as well.

1103
00:44:33,970 --> 00:44:34,490
Wow.

1104
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,550
Well, I hope that some residents of Bainbridge

1105
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:39,430
are watching or we can send them this

1106
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:42,490
video because I could tell them, step it

1107
00:44:42,490 --> 00:44:44,210
up, step it up.

1108
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:45,730
I mean, daily protests.

1109
00:44:47,350 --> 00:44:50,050
Daily protests and three cheers for those folks

1110
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:51,970
who are working so hard to stop this.

1111
00:44:52,110 --> 00:44:54,370
It is everything.

1112
00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:56,910
I can't emphasise enough, Jane, as you've said

1113
00:44:56,910 --> 00:44:59,590
that sometimes it's one activist, sometimes it's 10

1114
00:44:59,590 --> 00:45:02,010
,000, but the more the better and the

1115
00:45:02,010 --> 00:45:03,190
more constant, the better.

1116
00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:11,430
And being oh so very polite is not

1117
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:12,110
going to work.

1118
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:13,930
It's not going to work.

1119
00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:17,210
We have to raise our voices for the

1120
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:22,190
animals because the bad guys don't really hear

1121
00:45:22,190 --> 00:45:24,630
until we speak forcefully.

1122
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:28,250
Polite letters, I wish I was wrong.

1123
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:33,290
I wish polite letters would work, but throughout

1124
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:35,930
all of these campaigns, it always starts with

1125
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:37,750
a polite letter, doesn't it?

1126
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:39,710
In virtually every case.

1127
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:41,870
And you're right, silence is death for animals.

1128
00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:43,830
They don't have the time to wait for

1129
00:45:43,830 --> 00:45:45,830
us to be quiet and to be polite.

1130
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:47,290
We need to be loud and we need

1131
00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:49,210
to know we're right and we need to

1132
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:49,670
keep it up.

1133
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:52,450
So let's talk, you said that there were

1134
00:45:52,450 --> 00:45:56,350
promising aspects to what's happening with animal experimentation.

1135
00:45:57,010 --> 00:46:02,970
The research modernisation deal, where does that stand?

1136
00:46:03,130 --> 00:46:05,030
Because what is it in a nutshell and

1137
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:05,790
where does it stand?

1138
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:10,310
The research modernisation deal was developed by scientists

1139
00:46:10,310 --> 00:46:12,630
at PETA in response to requests from the

1140
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:15,030
Dutch government who was looking for a plan

1141
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:16,490
to phase out the use of animals.

1142
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:19,010
And so on very short notice, we put

1143
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:21,610
together all the information that we already had,

1144
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:23,590
but had never quite been put together in

1145
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:25,670
a strategy before.

1146
00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:28,350
And what it does is lay out the

1147
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:31,350
evidence that shows the failure of animal experiments.

1148
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:34,410
For example, the 95 to a hundred percent

1149
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:37,790
failure of all treatments for many serious disease

1150
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:40,670
areas that have not worked in humans, even

1151
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:42,530
though they appear to be promising in animals.

1152
00:46:43,070 --> 00:46:44,850
And then it's a strategy, a five-point

1153
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:48,670
strategy that says, here's what officials need to

1154
00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:48,910
do.

1155
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:51,530
First of all, when we know an area

1156
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:55,290
of animal experimentation is not working, say sepsis

1157
00:46:55,290 --> 00:46:59,570
experiments on animals, sepsis of course being what

1158
00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:01,890
happens to so many people in hospitals when

1159
00:47:01,890 --> 00:47:04,410
their body reacts to infection and can shut

1160
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:06,890
down, kills more than a hundred thousand people

1161
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:07,310
a year.

1162
00:47:07,310 --> 00:47:10,230
150 drugs developed in mice, none of them

1163
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:10,950
worked in humans.

1164
00:47:11,410 --> 00:47:13,490
So when we know an area of research

1165
00:47:13,490 --> 00:47:16,490
on animals is not working, stop it immediately.

1166
00:47:16,810 --> 00:47:19,650
We know it doesn't work, quit putting good

1167
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:20,450
money after bad.

1168
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:24,590
The second is to find out scientifically every

1169
00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:26,310
other area that we're not sure about.

1170
00:47:26,490 --> 00:47:29,250
Conduct those systematic reviews, put together the evidence,

1171
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:31,390
which we know is there, that it's not

1172
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:33,410
working, and then stop those areas.

1173
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:35,190
And then there are a number of other

1174
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:38,390
steps involving implementation of non-animal methods.

1175
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:41,890
We have to change the committees that review

1176
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:45,490
the proposals for funding at NIH, because these

1177
00:47:45,490 --> 00:47:48,290
committees are largely composed of animal experimenters, and

1178
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:50,350
we need people with expertise in non-animal

1179
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:50,790
methods.

1180
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:54,010
We need the government to get behind education

1181
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:55,370
on non-animal methods.

1182
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:56,330
The methods are there.

1183
00:47:56,530 --> 00:47:58,090
This isn't a matter of we have to

1184
00:47:58,090 --> 00:47:59,690
develop a whole lot of new things.

1185
00:47:59,910 --> 00:48:00,450
It's there.

1186
00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:04,570
But we need to encourage young researchers to

1187
00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:07,670
follow this information, to learn about non-animal

1188
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:09,530
methods, and we need to take the pressure

1189
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:13,530
off graduate students in the sciences to do

1190
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:16,050
animal experiments, which is something we exposed in

1191
00:48:16,050 --> 00:48:19,270
a short documentary called Test Subjects, about three

1192
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:21,730
of our scientists who were compelled to do

1193
00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:23,750
animal experiments in order to get their doctoral

1194
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:24,230
degrees.

1195
00:48:24,730 --> 00:48:26,970
And it was so devastating for them.

1196
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:28,570
It changed the whole course of their careers.

1197
00:48:29,230 --> 00:48:30,910
Oh, I can't even imagine.

1198
00:48:31,450 --> 00:48:33,530
I mean, this is also across the board.

1199
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:35,130
I've talked to people who are in vet

1200
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,350
school who don't want to do animal experimentation

1201
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:42,950
or cruel whatever, and they're like, well, I

1202
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:45,070
need to become, I've invested so much to

1203
00:48:45,070 --> 00:48:46,130
become a veterinarian.

1204
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:49,670
But there are people who have made history

1205
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:52,610
by refusing to do vivisection, and filing a

1206
00:48:52,610 --> 00:48:55,110
lawsuit, and finding out that a lot of

1207
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:57,130
their fellow students feel the same way, but

1208
00:48:57,130 --> 00:49:01,270
were unwilling to reveal it for fear of

1209
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:02,070
repercussion.

1210
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:04,390
And then when one person, again, when one

1211
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:06,870
person stands up and does it, a lot

1212
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:08,250
of other people say, I feel the same

1213
00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:08,450
way.

1214
00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:09,670
I didn't want to say anything, but I

1215
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:10,790
don't want to do this either.

1216
00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:13,730
So that's why it's so important for one

1217
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:17,010
person to take a committed stand and stick

1218
00:49:17,010 --> 00:49:17,770
their neck out.

1219
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:18,590
Is that not true?

1220
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:20,330
Oh, it's completely true.

1221
00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:22,950
I mean, we do a lot of lawsuits,

1222
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:26,830
because this is why, because we've got to

1223
00:49:26,830 --> 00:49:27,570
fight these things.

1224
00:49:27,730 --> 00:49:29,730
And sometimes it's one person and one lawsuit

1225
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:30,390
that does it.

1226
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:32,510
And just to answer the second part of

1227
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:34,970
your question, Jane, where it stands now is

1228
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:37,270
that members of Congress know what the research

1229
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:38,510
modernisation deal is.

1230
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:40,490
We now need those members of Congress to

1231
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:43,070
compel NIH to take the steps we outlined.

1232
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:45,230
We're gaining traction in Europe.

1233
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:47,270
We know in England and certainly in the

1234
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:49,130
European parliament, we have support.

1235
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:51,590
And the members of the European parliament have

1236
00:49:51,590 --> 00:49:55,010
even voted to compel the commission to come

1237
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:56,690
up with a plan to phase out experimentation.

1238
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:58,790
And they did this after they read the

1239
00:49:58,790 --> 00:50:00,110
research modernisation deal.

1240
00:50:00,590 --> 00:50:03,090
So there is progress, but it can be

1241
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:04,970
slow unless we really keep at it.

1242
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:09,870
So again, pardon me if I'm a little

1243
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:11,990
confused about this, because I thought maybe this

1244
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:14,430
passed, but has it been signed into law?

1245
00:50:15,930 --> 00:50:17,650
In Europe, do you mean?

1246
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:20,110
No, the research modernisation deal.

1247
00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:21,230
Not yet.

1248
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:23,330
At the moment, we are still at the

1249
00:50:23,330 --> 00:50:26,290
point where we need members of Congress to

1250
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:29,230
not only be familiar with what it is,

1251
00:50:29,410 --> 00:50:31,710
but to take action with the National Institutes

1252
00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:32,090
of Health.

1253
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:34,630
I think the Cargo Act that I mentioned

1254
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:37,550
earlier is really their first step in that

1255
00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:40,390
direction and the FDA Modernisation Act as well,

1256
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:40,750
frankly.

1257
00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:43,350
But the Cargo Act, which says, okay, this

1258
00:50:43,350 --> 00:50:45,150
is a bridge too far when we're sending

1259
00:50:45,150 --> 00:50:46,210
this money overseas.

1260
00:50:46,410 --> 00:50:47,650
It needs to end everywhere.

1261
00:50:48,250 --> 00:50:50,010
Let's start with where we don't have any

1262
00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:51,150
oversight of it.

1263
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:52,430
It has not passed yet.

1264
00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:53,030
It needs to.

1265
00:50:53,350 --> 00:50:55,290
What we've seen is that the National Institutes

1266
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:58,050
of Health under the new director, Director Burton

1267
00:50:58,050 --> 00:51:03,010
Yole, have made a commitment to supporting non

1268
00:51:03,010 --> 00:51:05,630
-animal methods and implementing non-animal methods.

1269
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:08,350
And they did this under pressure from people

1270
00:51:08,350 --> 00:51:11,030
within NIH and from our scientists who have

1271
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:15,170
consistently and repeatedly pointed the way forward for

1272
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:15,410
them.

1273
00:51:15,810 --> 00:51:17,050
And we were really happy to see in

1274
00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:18,750
the new announcement that they made about two

1275
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,990
weeks ago about this, that many of the

1276
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:23,190
steps that we had recommended were included.

1277
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:26,430
So it's positive, but it's all in the

1278
00:51:26,430 --> 00:51:26,770
doing.

1279
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:28,770
You can say a lot of things, but

1280
00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:31,010
if it's not done, it doesn't make any

1281
00:51:31,010 --> 00:51:31,430
difference.

1282
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:33,110
And that's why we still need people to

1283
00:51:33,110 --> 00:51:34,850
be in touch with members of Congress about

1284
00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:35,030
it.

1285
00:51:35,570 --> 00:51:37,150
And we only have a couple of minutes

1286
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:37,510
left.

1287
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:38,990
I just want to cover some of the

1288
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:40,890
hideous, idiotic experiments.

1289
00:51:41,590 --> 00:51:44,070
I was actually calling and I didn't get

1290
00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:47,270
a pickup on an experiment.

1291
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:52,290
Names aside, because journalistically, I would have to

1292
00:51:52,290 --> 00:51:55,030
reach out to them, but I did try

1293
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:55,550
to reach out.

1294
00:51:55,610 --> 00:51:59,310
But after business hours, they're subjecting monkeys to

1295
00:51:59,310 --> 00:52:03,830
severe noises every 15 minutes to test what?

1296
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:04,870
What nonsense?

1297
00:52:05,770 --> 00:52:07,970
You know, this is a, just a crazy

1298
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:08,530
experiment.

1299
00:52:08,570 --> 00:52:11,030
And what we don't go into in the

1300
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:12,630
emails that we send out, because it's just

1301
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:15,490
too complicated, is that this experiment originated at

1302
00:52:15,490 --> 00:52:18,530
the University of Massachusetts Amherst, where we're trying

1303
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:21,150
to stop the use of marmosets in ridiculous

1304
00:52:21,150 --> 00:52:22,410
menopause experiments.

1305
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:26,630
The same experimenter who is doing those came

1306
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:30,470
up with this plan to wake up tiny,

1307
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:34,030
gentle marmoset monkeys every 15 minutes, all night

1308
00:52:34,030 --> 00:52:34,370
long.

1309
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:37,790
And somehow this is supposed to tell us

1310
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:41,990
something about humans with Alzheimer's or dementia who

1311
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:42,930
have trouble sleeping.

1312
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:44,750
I mean, it's insane on the face of

1313
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:44,870
it.

1314
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:46,710
And our own university wouldn't even let her

1315
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:47,110
do it.

1316
00:52:47,370 --> 00:52:48,850
She's got funding from NIH.

1317
00:52:49,330 --> 00:52:51,430
She went to University of Wisconsin and they

1318
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:52,190
agreed to do it.

1319
00:52:52,530 --> 00:52:54,690
And it hasn't started yet to our knowledge.

1320
00:52:54,810 --> 00:52:56,550
That's why we're working so hard right now.

1321
00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:58,230
We've had the call-ins and the emails,

1322
00:52:58,610 --> 00:52:59,930
and if I have to, I'm going to

1323
00:52:59,930 --> 00:53:02,590
stand outside this experimenter's door banging a pan

1324
00:53:02,590 --> 00:53:05,050
every 15 minutes so she has a sense

1325
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:05,830
of what it is.

1326
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:07,970
But it's a ridiculous thing.

1327
00:53:08,090 --> 00:53:10,370
There are brain scans with human beings who

1328
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:13,290
have trouble sleeping right now that are being

1329
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:13,730
done.

1330
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:16,510
It's ridiculous that somebody is suggesting this has

1331
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:18,410
anything to do with helping human beings.

1332
00:53:18,670 --> 00:53:20,450
Well, it's all follow the money.

1333
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:26,150
It's easy to get research grants when you

1334
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:28,490
say, okay, I'm going to take this many

1335
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:30,710
monkeys and do this terrible thing to them.

1336
00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:33,190
But that's not moving science ahead.

1337
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:35,370
That is just barbaric.

1338
00:53:35,530 --> 00:53:37,970
It belongs in a mediaeval torture museum.

1339
00:53:38,670 --> 00:53:41,550
We are in the 21st century, and it

1340
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:44,310
makes my blood boil that a single tax

1341
00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:46,590
dollar that I contribute would go to any

1342
00:53:46,590 --> 00:53:47,110
of this.

1343
00:53:47,770 --> 00:53:50,850
And I just am so grateful to PETA

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for never, never giving up.

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Relentless, strategic, all hands on deck, PETA makes

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it happen.

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And that's why I, anytime, no matter what

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I'm doing, when I get an email from

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PETA, I stop everything and I take action

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on that email.

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Why?

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Because I know it's going to be fast.

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It's going to be an action point that

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is strategic and smart, and it's going to

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have an impact.

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I urge everybody sign up for the PETA

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alerts.

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Go to this website to help these monkeys,

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30,000 monkeys that could be put into

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prison in this little community.

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And it's very, very easy.

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Go to PETA.org forward slash Bainbridge, PETA

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.org forward slash Bainbridge, follow the prompts, let

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them know that this is shameful and that

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nobody wants it.

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And I really, really want to say once

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again, PETA, wow, I have been following you

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for my entire career and always, always, always

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on the mark making positive change.

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Thank you, Kathy Guillermo.

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Thank you, Jane.

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And thank you for your activism.

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I mean, you've made a world of difference

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to animals and we're so grateful and such

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big fans of yours.