UnchainedTV: Help Save India's Elephants!

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We have breaking news for you.

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Unfortunately, a temple elephant has died in India.

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A temple elephant just died yesterday.

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This is the story of brutality and torture.

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These innocent animals, torn from their families, their

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spirits broken, exploited for profit, under the guise

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of religion in India and elsewhere around the

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world.

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There's a movie, Gods in Shackles, a film

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by Sangeeta Iyer.

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She is on a one-woman crusade with

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a team of people in her organisation to

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save these Indian elephants.

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Let's start with the breaking news.

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Tell us about this elephant who died yesterday,

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Sangeeta, and why he or she is so

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emblematic of your battle to save India's elephants?

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Thank you, Jane.

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It's really wonderful to be with you here.

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Sadly, we are sharing the plight of these

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supremely intelligent animals over and over and over

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again.

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The elephant in particular who died yesterday was

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quite young.

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He's a bull elephant.

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There are only 4% bull elephants in

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India.

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They are being captured from the forest, torn

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from their families, tortured to submission, and exploited

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for profit in the name of culture and

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religion.

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This elephant died yesterday.

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I'm still awaiting details.

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Here's the thing.

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Last Tuesday, there was yet another elephant who

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had died.

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He was only 24 years of age.

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Almost on a weekly basis, we are seeing

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the decimation of these young bulls.

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The image that you're seeing of the previous

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elephant, he actually is Adiyato Ayyappan.

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He died in 2016.

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He died because of a wrong diet that

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was fed to him.

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They fed him dates that had seeds.

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These seeds got clogged up in his digestive

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system.

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He died of digestive disorder at a very

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tender age of about 30 to 35 years

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of age.

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This is the plight of Asian elephants who

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are being exploited for profit in the name

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of culture and religion.

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This in particular is happening in a notorious

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state called Kerala, which is in the southern

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part of India.

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They are displayed and paraded just so people

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can be happy.

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Look at the crowd that surrounds them and

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how people are going wild.

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Look at the brutality that they have to

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endure to make humans happy.

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It's just utterly gut-wrenching and heartbreaking.

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That's why my film, Gods in Shackles, was

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nominated in the United Nations General Assembly and

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won 13 International Film Festival Awards, the first

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time ever exposing the plight of these temple

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elephants.

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We'd like to say that Gods in Shackles

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is streaming on Unchained TV right now, so

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please download Unchained TV.

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We are the world's only vegan animal rights

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You can watch it on unchainedtv.com or

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on your TV.

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It's super important to see so you can

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understand the problem because before you get depressed,

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all is not lost.

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We have solutions, and I say we.

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I mean, Sangeeta has come up with incredible

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solutions to this horrific, horrific abuse of elephants

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in India for these ritualistic ceremonies and cultural

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ceremonies, and the solution is genius.

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The solution is robot elephants.

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Now, before you say, oh my gosh, that

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sounds crazy, I'm going to show you a

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video of the robot, and I was blown

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away.

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You cannot even tell that this is a

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robot elephant.

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Check this out.

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This is a short video narrated by Sangeeta

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Iyer.

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This is her new project.

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You can be a part of it.

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Obviously, it's going to require donations.

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Watch this, and we'll talk about it on

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the other side.

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Elephants from the train tracks, but let's just

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look at this majestic elephant.

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Doesn't he look real?

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Well, actually, he is a robotic elephant, and

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Voices for Asian Elephants has donated this beautiful,

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majestic elephant to a temple in the Gudalu

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district of Tamil Nadu, the first ever in

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the state, and this particular district actually borders

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Kerala, and the purpose of providing this robotic

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elephant is to replace live elephants and end

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elephant torture, but just look at his eye.

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It moves as though this is actually a

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real elephant.

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Look at the eyelashes.

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Look at the texture of his skin.

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This whole robotic elephant was designed by Prasant,

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who owns this organisation called HEARTS.

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This is just the very first robotic elephant

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that Voices for Asian Elephants has sponsored with

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the support of Ganesh Hariharan, and the mission

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is to promote humane treatment of elephants while

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at the same time preserve India's rich culture

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and heritage.

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The good news is that the media coverage

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has been phenomenal, and there are many temples

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who are now requesting us to sponsor such

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robotic elephants, and that gives us tremendous hope

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for the festival elephants.

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Absolutely incredible.

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You are a genius.

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Honestly, I thought, there's something wrong with this

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video.

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These are the real elephants, and then I

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was like, they're so good that you can't

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even tell that they are real, that they're

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not real.

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I want to just show, I did a

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little here, side by side.

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You've got the robotic elephants on one side.

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You've got the poor real elephants that are

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being tortured on the other side.

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Why on earth, dear God, would we do

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this torture if you've got this incredible alternative?

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I want to ask you more about that,

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but boy, the callers are lining up.

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Tiffany, your question or thought for Sangeeta Iyer,

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the maker of Gods and Shackles, streaming on

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Unchained TV.

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Thank you, Jane, for taking my call.

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Wow, they're beautiful, the mechanical.

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How can we help you get the word

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out?

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Is there like a Facebook post we can

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share, or how can we help you spread

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the word here in the United States?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah, we have a Facebook page for Voices

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for Asian Elephants.

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We have a website, vfaes.org.

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We are on Insta, we are on Twitter,

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and it's actually bustling.

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Our Facebook page is quite engaged, so is

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the Insta, and we are excited to partner

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with Unchained TV now that we can expose

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the atrocities.

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But at the same time, we are also

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providing solutions, which makes it imperative to share,

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so it's not all doom and gloom, because

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at the end of the day, without awareness

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and education, we cannot spread the word.

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So thank you for asking, Tiffany.

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Yeah, everybody's just blown away, as I was

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so blown away.

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Because when you said robot elephant, I was

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like, let's see how that's going to work.

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But I got to tell you, these robotic

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elephants are just, it's really hard to tell

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the difference.

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I mean, look at this detail.

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Look at this.

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It looks like, honestly, I was like, this

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is the elephant.

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Where's the robotic elephant?

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And then I realised, wait a second.

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Okay, so here are the real elephants being

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tortured.

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Look at all those people.

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Look at the anxiety that these animals who

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roam hundreds of miles in the wild must

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be experiencing.

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This is the life they lead chained up.

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I mean, that's a nice photo.

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I didn't even put some of the worst

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ones up.

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And yet, when you could have this instead,

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but these have got to be expensive.

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So let's, I want to take the callers,

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but we got to talk.

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You need a big donor.

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You need a big donor to come in

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and help you.

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So hopefully somebody who's got some moolah and

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who's ready to save elephants in India is

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watching and can save you.

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But every little bit counts.

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So go to vfaes.org, which stands for

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Voices for Asian Elephants Society, and donate.

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All right, we've got another caller, Michelle in

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Los Angeles.

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Your question or thought?

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Hi, I think these elephants are absolutely beautiful.

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And I was thinking, one of my best

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friends got married and had an Indian wedding,

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and they were supposed to have an elephant

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here in California.

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And they couldn't get the warrants for it.

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This is many years ago, and they had

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horses instead.

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But what are you doing about the communities

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here that are culturally in favour of doing

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this?

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Is that an issue as well?

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And maybe there's ways to like hook them

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up with the community, the religious communities here

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via India?

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I love that question.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Go ahead.

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Go ahead and answer it.

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I have a thought too.

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Yeah, no, I just, I just wanted to

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say that the awareness of what the cruelty

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is, I don't think they know.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And you know, you hit the nail right

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on because we have a large Indian community

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in the United States.

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And I have relatives living in the US

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as well.

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And this is exactly what we can do

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is, you know, creating robotic elephants and using

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them in weddings, you know, is a whole

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lot humane.

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And it's even, you know, it even protects

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people because you know, when you bring elephants,

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or even horses or any animal, aside from

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the brutality and suffering that they go through,

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if they lose it, it becomes a public

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safety threat, right?

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And so in that regard, it's a win

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-win situation for both people and animals.

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So yes, and awareness is critically important.

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So any Indian person, you know, just turn

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them towards our organisation, you know, and have

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them watch this documentary, Gods and Shackles.

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And it's important for the Indian community living

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in the United States, to be educated about

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the plight of these animals.

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It's not cultural, because there's not a single

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Hindu scripture, or biblical scripture, or, you know,

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Islamic scripture that says, you have to exploit

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elephants to make me happy.

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After all, elephants are God's own creations.

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And God doesn't want any of God's creations

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to be suffering the way these animals are.

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Besides, they are supremely intelligent, highly social animals,

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just like, you know, how if our children

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are separated from their families, what will they

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go through?

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What will we go through?

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You know, so this is what the herd

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suffer.

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And this knowledge has to be disseminated.

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And so yeah, anything you can do to

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support us, again, check out VFAES.org and

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let's talk.

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We've got yet another caller, Lindsay in Tarzana,

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your question or thought for Sangeeta Iyer, the

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filmmaker behind the award-winning Gods and Shackles,

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as well as the founder of Voices for

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Asian Elephants.

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Well, I just wanted to chime in with

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some of the other, of course, I think

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it's outstanding, fabulous.

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It makes my heart happy that this is

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a possibility.

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And I go to the practical side of

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it and think, well, perhaps if the individuals

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and the organisations that are keeping the elephants

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to use them for these activities could see

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that in the long run, the cost would

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be much less, possibly help them get funding,

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support in that way.

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Is there anything being done in that area?

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I just wondered.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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And that's, again, a great question because this

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is actually our first step and our first

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temple, but guess what?

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Yet another temple has approached us and this

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temple is quite popular.

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I can't tell you exactly where it is

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for security reasons, and they want to the

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live elephants that they used with robotic elephants.

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So it is going to take a long

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time because it takes time for attitudes and

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mindsets to shift because these memes have been

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planted in their minds for centuries.

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So it's going to take a long time

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for them to recognise.

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It's almost like unlearning and then relearning.

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And so one of the other things that

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we are doing is we are working directly

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with the forest departments and we are offering

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them all of the videos that I'm producing

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so they can educate their own staff and

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they can use the videos to educate the

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public and create awareness.

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It is going to take time, but we

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are going to be sponsoring our next robotic

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elephant in January, February of next year.

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So that is an exciting prospect and I'm

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really thrilled to share that.

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We hope that we're going to have more

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temples come along.

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We've got yet another caller.

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Kimberly Culver City, your question or thought for

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Sangeeta Iyer of Gods and Shackles now streaming

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on on Shane TV.

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Hi Sangeeta, hi Jane.

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Sangeeta, I met you some years back when

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you had an event in Los Angeles.

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Yes.

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Yes, it was a wonderful event and I

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have a few questions.

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First of all, thank you for what you

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do.

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It's just amazing and I loved your movie.

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I saw it when it first came out.

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It was amazing.

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It's sad, but very educational.

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Thank you.

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My questions are, pardon?

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I said thank you.

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Oh yeah, sure.

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My questions are when might you have a

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gala in LA again and how are the

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robot elephants going?

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Are people open to them?

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How many are there?

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Are more being made?

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And then is anybody educating these horrible elephant

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handlers that just beat them and treat them

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so badly?

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Is anyone going to them and saying please

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stop doing that?

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You don't need to do that or something.

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Anyway, thank you very much.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, thank you.

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And as I mentioned previously, yes, people are

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embracing this.

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I mean, that temple where we inaugurated this

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first robotic elephant was packed.

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And if you checked out our website and

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if you went under the media tab, you'll

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find innumerable news coverage.

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I mean, we just, even up until last

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month, we actually launched the robotic elephant on

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the 7th of February, or sorry, the 3rd

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of February this year.

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And the news is still bustling everywhere.

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And reporters are contacting me from India.

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Even like just last week, I had a

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call.

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So yes, they are accepting and they're embracing.

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And even the media madness is really going

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to help us.

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Secondly, to answer your question with regards to

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if others want to do this and how

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we are educating them, well, the best way

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to educate is by showing.

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And so we are demonstrating how this is

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working and also explaining to them that it's

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not only good for the people, but it's

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also good for the elephants and the culture

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still thrives.

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So we kind of incorporate everything that it's

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a win-win situation.

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Again, as I said earlier, it's going to

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take time for people to understand and embrace

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this.

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Then with regards to launching a programme in

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LA, well, if you want to launch an

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event, we are more than happy to come

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by and screen this film again.

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And we can definitely work with Jane and

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anybody who wants to collaborate with us.

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We cannot do this alone.

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So if you're interested, get in touch with

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us and we can create like a nice

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little community and volunteers to host events such

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as this and help educate and embrace compassion

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and condemn cruelty.

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So that's probably the way to go.

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What do you think, Jane?

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How much?

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I'm totally in favour of it.

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Absolutely.

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I many, many years ago, more than 30

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years ago, went with my mother to India

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and like an idiot, not knowing and not

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realising, oh, I love elephants.

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Let's take an elephant ride.

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And I've been doing a living amends ever

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since.

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So one of the things we also have

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to let people know is do not ride

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elephants.

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Do not use any animals in entertainment.

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And I try to think back and like,

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oh, I was so unconscious.

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It did not occur to me that these

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animals might be abused.

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The irony is it's precisely because people love

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elephants that they do all these things.

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And that's what we have to do.

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We have to unhook love of elephants from

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all these animals, love them from afar, leave

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them alone.

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They're not toys.

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And so my question to you is how

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much do each one of these elephants cost?

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And why can't we get the Indian government

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to get involved with purchasing these elephants?

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And then somebody else asks, which I think

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is a really good question, what happens to

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the retired elephants?

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Bruce Anderson says, also, are there protected sanctuaries

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that will receive the retired temple elephants?

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Yeah.

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So let me answer that question first, because

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I think it was Kim who asked, so

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what are you doing to train the mahouts

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so they don't become, you know, they give

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up brutality and embrace compassion.

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So that's another thing that we did.

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There is this government run elephant rehab centre.

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And with a team of people, including the

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Elephant Care Unchained, we went there and we

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did a rehab programme and trained them positive

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reinforcement and enrichment programmes, how you can use

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elephants without abusing and without exploiting them, then

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without using bullhook and all these brutal weapons.

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And in fact, we did this for like

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about a week.

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By the end of the week, one mahout,

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that is one handler, he was so comfortable

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with his bull elephant, bull animal that he

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completely just unchained this elephant and started walking

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this elephant without, you know, the chains and

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roaming within the sanctuary.

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I mean, that was just really, really breathtaking

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to witness.

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We've got all those images and videos and

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everything, and we should probably start sharing those

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images.

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With regards to the government, so here's the

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tragic situation.

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Just when we thought that, you know, the

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number of elephants are dwindling, captive elephants that

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is, are dwindling in Kerala, the Indian government

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has enacted a law that says the elephants

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that are in captivity, you know, this is

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all a very grey area at this point,

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the elephants who are in captivity can be

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used for cultural rituals and festivals.

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And that means elephants can be transferred from

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various states.

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So, and there's pushback from a lot of

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animal welfare organisations, but the law has been

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enacted.

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And I think the Supreme Court is looking

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into it.

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And the situation is that, you know, when

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there are, let me say, you know, billionaires

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doing things like that, it's hard to fight

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back because, you know, legal cases take up

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funding and energy, and you never know, and

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you may never win.

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And there's lots of corruption.

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This is not a secret.

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So there are a lot of hassles.

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It's not just as simple as, oh, these

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are the laws.

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And this is what you're doing.

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And so we are going to arrest you

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or punish you or penalise you.

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It just doesn't work that way.

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The nexus of culture, commerce, and politics is

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just so entangled that it's just really hard

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to, I mean, I've been working on the

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ground for 10 years, even to this day,

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I have a hard time understanding certain things.

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And just when I think, oh, that's what

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is happening, then I just peel another layer.

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I'm like, oh my God, you know?

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So it's not easy.

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You are looking at an image from the

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film, Gods and Shackles, an award-winning film

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produced and directed by our guest today, Sangeeta

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Iyer, who's also the founder of Voices for

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Asian Elephant Society.

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If you want to help, go to the

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website on your screen, vfaes.org, vfaes.org,

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and become a donor because these animals cannot

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speak for themselves and there are solutions.

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She has created robot elephants that the temples

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are embracing them and they could then get

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rid of torturing the real elephants and using

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them in these horrible ceremonies.

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Well, the ceremonies aren't horrible, but what happens

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to the elephants kept in chains?

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We can't even show you the worst of

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it and there's no need for it.

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The irony is that India worships elephants and

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therefore wants to use them, but the problem

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is that in order to use a wild

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animal who's used to running hundreds of miles,

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you have to have them chained and you

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have to break them and it's a horror

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show.

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So if you want to get involved, I

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want to know how much does each robotic

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elephant cost and can we start a GoFundMe

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for per elephant?

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I would certainly donate to that.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, it costs between 12,000 to 15

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,000 dollars.

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So it's not a lot of money to

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be honest with you.

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At the end of the day, it's like

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if all of us come together, we can

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00:23:44,540 --> 00:23:46,600
easily raise that kind of money and I'm

546
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,780
so proud to say that our second elephant

547
00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:52,560
has been a robotic elephant that has been

548
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,340
entirely donated by Dolores Whitley who lives in

549
00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:56,740
New York.

550
00:23:56,860 --> 00:24:00,800
She's been supporting me since 2013 and she's

551
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,900
been a loyal supporter so she's completely donated

552
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:06,540
every penny for the second robotic elephant.

553
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:09,580
The first one was donated but entirely again

554
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:13,060
by Ganesh Hariharan who's of Indian origin but

555
00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:14,780
he lives in the United States and so

556
00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:17,480
this is how we start, you know, educating

557
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,440
the Indian community by doing, you know, by

558
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,540
offering solutions as Jane said and so there

559
00:24:23,540 --> 00:24:26,260
are issues but for every issue we come

560
00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:27,020
up with solutions.

561
00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:29,160
Technology is phenomenal, right?

562
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Robots, artificial intelligence, I mean this particular robot

563
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,920
operates on artificial intelligence and similarly, yeah, similarly

564
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,220
we have the EleSense device to save elephants

565
00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:44,700
from getting killed on the train tracks, the

566
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:47,020
one that Jane, you know, your title showed.

567
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,740
I just wanted to address that because the

568
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:49,560
title came up.

569
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,300
I want to talk about that.

570
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:54,160
So let's talk a little bit, okay, so

571
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,500
$12,000 per robotic elephant.

572
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,080
We should definitely do an Indiegogo for a

573
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,280
robotic elephant and I would, I'm certainly going

574
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,220
to donate to that.

575
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,400
Thank you.

576
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,640
The solution, what I love is that you

577
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,580
don't just show the problem, you also show

578
00:25:14,580 --> 00:25:15,360
the solution.

579
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:19,420
So for those who are just joining Sangeeta

580
00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:22,380
and aside from coming up with these incredible

581
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:24,560
solutions, we're going to talk about the solution

582
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,360
to elephants being hit by trains in one

583
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:27,820
second.

584
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:30,280
She is also the producer of Gods and

585
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,280
Shackles which is currently streaming on Unchained TV

586
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,120
and all you have to do is go

587
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,400
to download Unchained TV, put in Gods and

588
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,680
Shackles in the search bar, boom, it comes

589
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,100
right up.

590
00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:40,820
Here's the trailer.

591
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:14,170
So you have to see that film.

592
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:16,670
It is streaming on Unchained TV, which is

593
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:20,230
very easy to watch and it's totally 100

594
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:21,050
% free.

595
00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:24,410
All you do is download Unchained TV on

596
00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:26,990
your phone or on any television.

597
00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:29,910
It's on all Samsung TVs and on any

598
00:26:29,910 --> 00:26:32,450
TV with an Amazon Fire Stick, a Roku

599
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:34,090
device or an Apple TV device.

600
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:36,470
And you can also watch it online, go

601
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:40,350
to unchainedtv.com and just poke around.

602
00:26:40,790 --> 00:26:43,570
Up to 2000 videos are there, including Gods

603
00:26:43,570 --> 00:26:44,730
and Shackles.

604
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:46,830
So let's talk a little bit about your

605
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:49,630
other project, which is trains.

606
00:26:49,910 --> 00:26:54,030
So saving elephants from deadly train track accidents.

607
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:56,350
This is a horror show, but you have

608
00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:56,950
a solution.

609
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:58,590
There's a high-tech solution.

610
00:26:58,830 --> 00:26:59,530
Tell us about it.

611
00:27:00,270 --> 00:27:00,830
Yes.

612
00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:04,850
And so in the last 10 years, approximately

613
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:09,090
896 elephants have gotten hit and killed on

614
00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:10,790
India's deadly train tracks.

615
00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:13,490
And West Bengal is one of the most

616
00:27:13,490 --> 00:27:15,050
notorious states for this.

617
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:19,290
And so we partnered with an indigenous group

618
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:20,050
of people.

619
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:22,190
And so that is yet another thing.

620
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:24,130
We are empowering the community as well.

621
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:27,550
And so they developed, because they understand the

622
00:27:27,550 --> 00:27:32,030
terrain, they understand the elephant movements, and they

623
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:34,670
understand the weather patterns, et cetera.

624
00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:40,110
So they developed this artificial intelligence-based technology,

625
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:43,830
which is actually, it's called EleSense.

626
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:48,730
And EleSense is fed with four particular items.

627
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:51,550
Number one is the pattern, that is how

628
00:27:51,550 --> 00:27:53,390
the elephant, the structure of the elephant, the

629
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:55,950
body of the elephant, it detects the pattern,

630
00:27:56,130 --> 00:27:58,450
it detects the temperature.

631
00:27:58,770 --> 00:28:02,870
So there's this thermal sensor installed inside this

632
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:04,390
EleSense device.

633
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:08,930
And then there are two other things.

634
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:12,690
I can't remember.

635
00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:15,530
Anyway, there are four sensors installed inside the

636
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:16,050
EleSense.

637
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:20,230
And so the minute this EleSense device detects

638
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:24,030
or feels those four, the pattern, the thermal,

639
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,450
and the movement patterns, and the height, absolutely,

640
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:30,790
all of these things, it sends out a

641
00:28:30,790 --> 00:28:33,530
signal to our team, to the forest department,

642
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:34,670
to the railway department.

643
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:37,750
And as soon as the railway department receives

644
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:40,390
it in their control centre, they use a

645
00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:42,650
walkie talkie to call the pilot, the train

646
00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:45,410
pilot, and say, slow down, there's a herd

647
00:28:45,410 --> 00:28:47,330
of elephants there, slow down.

648
00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:51,690
So he slows down, farther behind, and the

649
00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:54,590
elephants cross, and then there's no death.

650
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:58,910
So in the last year alone, EleSense device

651
00:28:58,910 --> 00:29:05,290
has averted 627 elephant collisions with the train.

652
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:12,390
And this year, so far, 62 elephant collisions

653
00:29:12,390 --> 00:29:13,270
have been averted.

654
00:29:13,710 --> 00:29:17,050
And it's only 62 this year, because it's

655
00:29:17,050 --> 00:29:18,750
not a cropping season yet.

656
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:20,470
May is a cropping season.

657
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:22,950
And then there's the paddy cropping season, which

658
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:24,890
is like sometime in July, August.

659
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,470
So those are the times when elephants cross

660
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:31,250
over the train tracks, come into the villages

661
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:34,270
for raiding the crop, because they love the

662
00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:35,330
taste of the crops.

663
00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:37,270
It's like an easy target.

664
00:29:37,390 --> 00:29:39,470
It's almost like, hey, here's the McDonald's.

665
00:29:39,550 --> 00:29:41,330
I'm just going to feed off of McDonald's.

666
00:29:41,390 --> 00:29:43,050
Why should I bother going home and cooking

667
00:29:43,050 --> 00:29:46,350
and taking the trouble to gather all this

668
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:46,450
food?

669
00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:48,090
Let's not use that analogy.

670
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:50,630
I don't think anybody should ever go to

671
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:51,390
McDonald's.

672
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:52,630
No, nobody should.

673
00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:53,550
No, you're right.

674
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:54,070
I'm sorry.

675
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:55,130
I didn't mean to do that.

676
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:56,690
But I'm just saying that it's like junk

677
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:57,030
food.

678
00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:58,790
It's junk food.

679
00:29:58,850 --> 00:30:00,090
That's what I was trying to say.

680
00:30:00,890 --> 00:30:03,670
So yeah, you're absolutely right.

681
00:30:03,910 --> 00:30:06,030
And as vegans, we shouldn't even be talking

682
00:30:06,030 --> 00:30:06,570
about it.

683
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:10,550
But in any case, so yeah, that's how

684
00:30:10,550 --> 00:30:11,690
EleSense functions.

685
00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:14,190
And so that's how we have averted.

686
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:16,490
We are seeing concrete results.

687
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:20,250
I mean, there's nothing that makes us happier

688
00:30:20,250 --> 00:30:23,130
than seeing these tangible outcomes.

689
00:30:23,290 --> 00:30:25,330
And again, we could not have done this

690
00:30:25,330 --> 00:30:27,410
without the support of donors.

691
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:31,010
And we are completely reliant on donors to

692
00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:36,170
get these kind of projects done, right?

693
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:40,250
Because collectively, we are all heartbroken to see

694
00:30:40,250 --> 00:30:42,810
these elephants suffering, but we cannot do this

695
00:30:42,810 --> 00:30:44,230
without the funding, right?

696
00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:46,470
And so that's one of the things that

697
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:49,310
I'm really, really proud of is to see

698
00:30:49,310 --> 00:30:52,730
these results and continue to move forward.

699
00:30:52,910 --> 00:30:55,070
And the thing with this is that with

700
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:57,670
saving these wild elephants is that there are

701
00:30:57,670 --> 00:31:00,630
approximately 40,000 Asian elephants on the entire

702
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:01,010
planet.

703
00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:04,030
60% of them, that is about between

704
00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:08,670
25,000 and 26,000 Asian elephants are

705
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:10,030
in India.

706
00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:12,110
It is their last bastion.

707
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:14,350
So we need to do everything we can

708
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:15,430
to save them in India.

709
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:17,710
So we've covered so much ground.

710
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:23,910
We've covered your development of robot temple elephants

711
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:26,450
so that these real elephants are not put

712
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:29,950
in these horrible, torturous situations where they're abused,

713
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:31,330
they're shackled, they're beaten.

714
00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:35,570
And just to recap and review, it's $12

715
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:40,070
,000 per robot elephant, which is really not

716
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:40,790
a lot.

717
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:43,790
And then the second thing we have that

718
00:31:43,790 --> 00:31:46,150
you've come up with, solutionary, which is what

719
00:31:46,150 --> 00:31:48,930
I love, not just talking about the problems,

720
00:31:48,930 --> 00:31:51,470
but talking about the solutions, you've got this

721
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:52,930
system.

722
00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:57,370
How much does it cost per system to

723
00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:59,430
stop these dead?

724
00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:02,010
In other words, if somebody was saying, okay,

725
00:32:02,030 --> 00:32:03,770
I want to buy one of these systems

726
00:32:03,770 --> 00:32:07,030
for voices for Asian Elephant Society to put

727
00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:08,950
out there, how much does one of this

728
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:12,990
train accident prevention systems cost?

729
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:16,350
So it doesn't work on one particular system

730
00:32:16,350 --> 00:32:17,270
per se, right?

731
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:19,650
So we take a stretch of the train

732
00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:23,150
track, like eight kilometres stretch, and we installed

733
00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:24,130
40 devices.

734
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:26,630
And for those 40 devices, it cost us

735
00:32:26,630 --> 00:32:27,410
60,000.

736
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:29,130
So you can do the math, right?

737
00:32:29,410 --> 00:32:33,070
For 40 devices, it costs $60,000.

738
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:39,130
And that includes, of course, developing, designing, installing,

739
00:32:39,490 --> 00:32:39,870
monitoring.

740
00:32:40,210 --> 00:32:43,510
We also have some amazing camera trap footage

741
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:47,030
that shows how the elephants are crossing safely.

742
00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:50,150
And so we keep track of them every

743
00:32:50,150 --> 00:32:51,690
two months.

744
00:32:51,870 --> 00:32:54,010
We get a report on how many elephants

745
00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:57,570
have crossed and which area they have crossed

746
00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:58,650
in.

747
00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:01,670
And we keep track of their passage, their

748
00:33:01,670 --> 00:33:03,790
movements, just to make sure that they are

749
00:33:03,790 --> 00:33:04,330
safe.

750
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:07,950
So you can divide $60,000 by 40

751
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:08,550
devices.

752
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:10,150
I don't know how much that works out

753
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:10,510
to.

754
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:14,190
$1,500 each.

755
00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:14,610
Yeah.

756
00:33:15,050 --> 00:33:18,510
So that's another thing because, you know, having

757
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:21,090
emceed so many events where people are raising

758
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:24,150
money, they want to see, it's like nuggets,

759
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:26,750
you know, little bits of change, as opposed

760
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:29,050
to just give me money generally, and I'll

761
00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:29,970
do what I want with it.

762
00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:33,310
You are showing really specific things that are

763
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:35,670
doable that are let's get this done.

764
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:40,190
And I think that it's, I was extremely

765
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:41,250
impressed by it.

766
00:33:41,410 --> 00:33:44,030
And I'm not suggesting this for everyone, but

767
00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:46,530
I do play the lottery because if I

768
00:33:46,530 --> 00:33:49,690
win, Sangeetha's getting the money, baby.

769
00:33:49,950 --> 00:33:51,170
Yeah, I love that.

770
00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:55,170
Hey, and it's E-L-E-S-E

771
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:56,290
-N-S-E.

772
00:33:56,330 --> 00:33:57,090
It's not Alison.

773
00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:58,250
It's ElySense.

774
00:33:58,750 --> 00:33:59,270
ElySense.

775
00:33:59,390 --> 00:33:59,910
I love it.

776
00:34:00,170 --> 00:34:00,390
All right.

777
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,010
We got another caller, Paige from Los Angeles

778
00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:03,990
on hold.

779
00:34:04,050 --> 00:34:06,490
Your question or thought for Sangeetha Iyer.

780
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:09,909
Hello, Sangeetha.

781
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:12,030
It's great to connect with you here.

782
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:12,909
Hey, Paige.

783
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:13,510
Oh my goodness.

784
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:19,110
You have been tirelessly working for the freedom

785
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:20,030
of elephants.

786
00:34:20,409 --> 00:34:21,949
And here's what I want to ask you.

787
00:34:21,989 --> 00:34:23,330
What do you do for self-care?

788
00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:25,449
That's number one.

789
00:34:25,530 --> 00:34:27,130
But number two is for those of us

790
00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:29,270
that are activists out here, what is your

791
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:34,230
secret sauce for the sustainability of your activism?

792
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:35,210
Thank you.

793
00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:35,929
Wow.

794
00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:39,409
I love that question, Paige, because in September,

795
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:42,469
I'm going to be launching a programme to

796
00:34:42,469 --> 00:34:44,510
help activists sustain themselves.

797
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:47,750
So the secret for me is connecting with

798
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:49,770
Mother Nature every single day.

799
00:34:49,870 --> 00:34:51,530
I drink three litres of water.

800
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:54,350
I am a vegan and I eat only

801
00:34:54,350 --> 00:34:55,469
wholesome food.

802
00:34:56,110 --> 00:34:58,750
You are marvellous, darling.

803
00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:05,190
And I spend about an hour or an

804
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:07,670
hour and a half in the natural world

805
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:11,830
to kind of de-stress or decompress.

806
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:16,410
Because as you said, Paige, you're absolutely correct.

807
00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:19,350
Day in and day out, all you do

808
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:22,450
is you see the atrocities against animals.

809
00:35:22,690 --> 00:35:24,930
And of course, I'm active on social media,

810
00:35:24,930 --> 00:35:26,230
on Twitter, on Instagram.

811
00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:27,590
I call out people.

812
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:30,910
I say things like, you know, you know,

813
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:33,470
I mean, not rude things, but I'm quite

814
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:35,890
blunt on social media as to like why

815
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:36,630
we are doing this.

816
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:38,370
I call out scientists.

817
00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:40,770
I call out the United Nations and tell

818
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:42,510
them you guys have to do more.

819
00:35:42,570 --> 00:35:44,750
Otherwise, we're going to need like new international

820
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:47,050
bodies so each of us can speak out

821
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:48,070
and do something.

822
00:35:48,070 --> 00:35:52,750
And so, Paige, stay tuned for that programme

823
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:55,290
that I'm going to be launching in September

824
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:59,110
to empower activists and in particular, you know,

825
00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:02,910
visionary women to ensure that when they see

826
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:06,410
these atrocities and brutalities, that they are not

827
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:06,910
alone.

828
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:10,790
I'm creating a community and just send me

829
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:13,030
a friend request and I'll include you in

830
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:13,830
that community.

831
00:36:14,290 --> 00:36:16,550
And this is how we're going to support

832
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:17,610
each other.

833
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:19,410
And I have come up with like a

834
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:22,990
12 pillar programme again, which I'll be unpacking

835
00:36:22,990 --> 00:36:26,070
and we're going to be unrolling that in

836
00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:26,750
September.

837
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:28,430
So stay tuned for that, Paige.

838
00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:32,030
So you are a dynamo and now you're

839
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:34,030
doing something on self-care or whatever.

840
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:34,590
Wow.

841
00:36:36,130 --> 00:36:37,050
Here's the thing.

842
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:39,430
What I really love about your programme is

843
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:41,770
you outline the problem and it's terrible.

844
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:44,030
And we're running out of time because these

845
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:47,270
poor animals are being decimated across India.

846
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:49,270
I mean, look how many are using this

847
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:50,130
one ceremony.

848
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:51,390
It's disgusting.

849
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,350
But you're coming up with solutions.

850
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:58,430
So your solution of the robot elephants is

851
00:36:58,430 --> 00:37:00,050
absolutely extraordinary.

852
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:02,790
And then you also have a solution to

853
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:04,310
elephants being hit by trains.

854
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:08,750
Again, the robot elephants cost $12,000 each,

855
00:37:08,850 --> 00:37:09,890
each one.

856
00:37:10,030 --> 00:37:11,070
How many do you need?

857
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:12,470
Just give me a number real quick.

858
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:15,770
So, I mean, we are waiting for more

859
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:17,450
temples to get in touch with us, but

860
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:20,630
ideally every year we want to start giving

861
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:22,610
like two or three at a minimum.

862
00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:26,350
And then because it takes time for the

863
00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:29,190
temples to acknowledge and the religious institutions, because

864
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:32,650
they use the live elephants in churches and

865
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:33,650
mosques as well.

866
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:36,270
And so we don't want to push them

867
00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,610
because then we'll receive a pushback.

868
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:40,830
And so we are saying, okay, you guys

869
00:37:40,830 --> 00:37:42,550
observe, you guys tell us.

870
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:45,050
And of course we are doing our outreach

871
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:47,570
programme, talking to schools, going to universities.

872
00:37:47,570 --> 00:37:50,290
I just received an invitation from a very

873
00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:53,590
renowned college in Kerala to come and share

874
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:55,930
this film and speak there, et cetera.

875
00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:59,170
So we keep doing these kinds of outreach

876
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:59,790
programmes.

877
00:38:00,170 --> 00:38:01,970
The one thing I wanted to also mention

878
00:38:01,970 --> 00:38:05,610
is that the third most sustainable solution that

879
00:38:05,610 --> 00:38:08,990
we're implementing is we are purchasing swaths of

880
00:38:08,990 --> 00:38:12,830
land and we are completely rewilding the land.

881
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:15,790
So what we did last year in June

882
00:38:15,790 --> 00:38:19,190
of 2023 is we purchased a four acre

883
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:20,070
corridor.

884
00:38:20,330 --> 00:38:21,930
And some people may think, ah, it's just

885
00:38:21,930 --> 00:38:23,890
four acres, but here's the thing.

886
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:26,550
On the one side, you have the vast

887
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:28,130
forest region.

888
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:30,050
On the other side, you have another vast

889
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:32,830
forest region, but in between you have these

890
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:36,310
plantations because the Kerala government at once upon

891
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:38,570
a time, they decided, oh, we're going to

892
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:40,170
sell the forest land.

893
00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:42,770
And now they're realising that, uh-oh, what

894
00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:43,410
did we do?

895
00:38:43,770 --> 00:38:45,710
And now they're buying back that land.

896
00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:47,930
And so they approached us and we said,

897
00:38:48,190 --> 00:38:49,610
okay, well, let us help you.

898
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:52,270
And so again, with the support of donors,

899
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:54,650
we were able to purchase a four acre

900
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:57,610
plot of land and this four acre plot

901
00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:59,310
has completely opened up.

902
00:38:59,490 --> 00:39:01,670
I went and I checked it just this

903
00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:03,990
February, on the 7th of February, that's where

904
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:04,490
I was.

905
00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:08,010
And they have cleared up the plantations, they

906
00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:09,730
have removed all of the electrical fencing.

907
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:14,610
So what this does is it allows 340

908
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:18,710
plus elephants from this forest patch to walk

909
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:21,710
freely towards the next forest patch.

910
00:39:21,710 --> 00:39:24,270
And this is so critically important because if

911
00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:27,430
the elephants stay in one area, they'll be

912
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:29,610
inbreeding, they'll start inbreeding.

913
00:39:29,830 --> 00:39:33,970
And that will create genetic disorders and threaten

914
00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:36,470
the long-term species survival.

915
00:39:37,050 --> 00:39:39,950
And so this movement, so, I mean, we

916
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:43,410
can't undermine every single acre of land, right?

917
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:45,930
So we purchased four acres, but this year

918
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:48,650
our goal is to purchase 10 or 12

919
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:51,570
acres of land in Odisha, where we have

920
00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:55,770
planted 20,000 saplings and we have created

921
00:39:55,770 --> 00:39:59,490
eight water holes, massive water holes, and elephants

922
00:39:59,490 --> 00:40:01,230
are visiting the water holes.

923
00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:04,130
We just got some images recently with elephants

924
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:06,930
visiting their footprints, their dung and everything.

925
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:08,850
Is it this?

926
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:10,110
Yes, it is.

927
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:11,470
Wow.

928
00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:12,110
Okay.

929
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:14,690
So I got this off your website and

930
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:16,410
I was like, look how tiny the people

931
00:40:16,410 --> 00:40:17,990
are compared on the right, right?

932
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:18,350
Yeah.

933
00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:21,630
And I was like, what exactly is this?

934
00:40:21,790 --> 00:40:24,950
So this is a watering hole for elephants.

935
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:27,930
And what you're doing is constructing these around,

936
00:40:28,050 --> 00:40:31,050
in the land that you've purchased or where?

937
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:33,830
So this is on the outskirts of the

938
00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:36,490
forest, like in between the forest and the

939
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:36,810
villages.

940
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:39,030
Cause what they do is they leave the

941
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:41,910
forest and they come into the villages and

942
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:44,190
because they don't have water, they don't get

943
00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:44,610
food.

944
00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:46,830
So we are planting saplings right next to

945
00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:49,450
the water holes in the forest land because

946
00:40:49,450 --> 00:40:52,990
these forest areas have been encroached upon by

947
00:40:52,990 --> 00:40:53,430
humans.

948
00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:56,550
So we are offering job opportunities to the

949
00:40:56,550 --> 00:41:00,050
same tribal people who live in those areas

950
00:41:00,050 --> 00:41:03,030
and say, okay, you plant the saplings, you

951
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:04,510
help us create water holes.

952
00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:06,790
We will pay you money if you can

953
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:08,110
help us protect the elephants.

954
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:09,870
And so that's one thing.

955
00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:12,470
I'm another thing that I'm so excited about

956
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:13,150
expanding.

957
00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:17,950
It cost us $60,000 for the four

958
00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:19,570
acre plot of land in Kerala.

959
00:41:19,610 --> 00:41:22,230
Cause Kerala in Kerala land is like a

960
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:25,710
precious commodity in Odisha to in India, overall

961
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:28,410
land is a precious commodity, but for about

962
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:30,770
10 acres of land, it's going to cost

963
00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:34,110
us approximately $110,000.

964
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:36,210
And we are going to be launching a

965
00:41:36,210 --> 00:41:36,650
campaign.

966
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:38,890
We are reaching out to foundations, et cetera,

967
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,490
so they can support us.

968
00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:42,050
Wow.

969
00:41:42,330 --> 00:41:46,090
I am so blown away at everything you're

970
00:41:46,090 --> 00:41:47,090
creating.

971
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:51,510
And there's one more, you're creating a system

972
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:56,250
to prevent elephants from falling into wells, because

973
00:41:56,250 --> 00:41:58,530
that is yet another problem in India.

974
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:00,250
They have hundreds of wells that are in

975
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,450
the ground and they're like booby traps for

976
00:42:03,450 --> 00:42:05,910
these poor elephants.

977
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:07,110
Tell us about that.

978
00:42:07,570 --> 00:42:13,030
So in Odisha in particular, approximately 70 elephants

979
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:15,130
have died falling into wells.

980
00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:18,770
And so we partnered again with local people

981
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:21,990
and we had them instal T-shaped barriers

982
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:24,050
around key wells.

983
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:27,210
We installed about 100 or we covered about

984
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:30,730
100 wells and there has been absolutely no

985
00:42:30,730 --> 00:42:31,590
elephant debts.

986
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:32,570
And guess what?

987
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:36,210
After we did that, I actually lobbied and

988
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:38,170
I spoke with the state government.

989
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:41,250
And this year I am so happy to

990
00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:44,770
report that because of our advocacy, in the

991
00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:46,810
month of March, I got a message saying

992
00:42:46,810 --> 00:42:50,790
that all of the 1300 wells in Odisha

993
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:51,970
have been covered.

994
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:53,390
Yeah.

995
00:42:54,070 --> 00:42:55,410
I'm so excited about that.

996
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:57,130
So we don't have to do that in

997
00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:58,830
Odisha, but we may have to do it

998
00:42:58,830 --> 00:42:59,710
in other states.

999
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:03,770
But again, it takes a lot of diplomacy,

1000
00:43:04,210 --> 00:43:07,530
talking to them, meeting them, letting them know

1001
00:43:07,530 --> 00:43:10,030
we are genuine, that we are interested to

1002
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:10,630
support you.

1003
00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:13,770
We are not condemning and criticising you, but

1004
00:43:13,770 --> 00:43:15,630
of course you need to know these problems,

1005
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:17,590
but we are here to partner with you.

1006
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:18,770
We are here to help you.

1007
00:43:19,230 --> 00:43:23,010
And so that's how we are making a

1008
00:43:23,010 --> 00:43:24,610
difference in the lives of elephants.

1009
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:28,150
And just recently, about three weeks ago, another

1010
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:30,450
elephant had fallen into a well in Odisha,

1011
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:32,530
a well that they had never known about.

1012
00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:35,390
So again, I immediately sent that message to

1013
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:36,350
the chief wildlife warden.

1014
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:37,630
He said, we are going to cover it

1015
00:43:37,630 --> 00:43:38,230
this month.

1016
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:40,210
So they have covered it in the month

1017
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:40,750
of April.

1018
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:43,310
So every time I get a message, I

1019
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:45,190
continue to bug them.

1020
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:47,310
Kim Delgado said it.

1021
00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:47,910
Wow.

1022
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:50,390
You are one busy lady, Sangeeta.

1023
00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:52,810
The elephants are so lucky to have you

1024
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:53,530
on their side.

1025
00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:54,810
They really are.

1026
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:56,950
And I just have to say, because I

1027
00:43:56,950 --> 00:44:01,230
interview so many different organisations, their leaders about

1028
00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:01,910
what they're doing.

1029
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:03,890
What I really, really like is that this

1030
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:05,190
is so solutionary.

1031
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,990
Yes, you have shown us the horrific problems,

1032
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:10,570
but you've come up with some ingenious solutions.

1033
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:13,670
And I'm just going to recap and review.

1034
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:17,490
We're talking about robotic elephants, instead of using

1035
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:19,950
real elephants in these horrific ceremonies.

1036
00:44:20,190 --> 00:44:23,090
We're talking about a high-tech train system

1037
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:26,750
where the elephants are detected by the approaching

1038
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:29,290
train, and they send a signal to the

1039
00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:31,410
train driver, slow down.

1040
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:34,070
This has saved hundreds of lives already.

1041
00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:38,930
And then you have the watering holes, which

1042
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:40,550
these elephants need water.

1043
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:45,090
Then you have the very practical creating these

1044
00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:48,050
barriers around the well so that the elephants

1045
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:49,490
don't fall into the wells.

1046
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:51,750
And then finally, you have the purchase of

1047
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:54,510
land to connect wildlife spaces.

1048
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:58,670
There are corridors that allow these elephants to

1049
00:44:58,670 --> 00:45:01,510
mingle and cross over so they don't inbreed.

1050
00:45:02,850 --> 00:45:03,490
Okay.

1051
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:06,530
So you're talking approximately half a dozen brilliant

1052
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:07,670
solutions.

1053
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:09,370
Wow.

1054
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:12,490
I just hope, I pray that people are

1055
00:45:12,490 --> 00:45:21,510
listening and that everybody goes to vfaes.org

1056
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:25,590
and donates because somebody already said they donated

1057
00:45:25,590 --> 00:45:30,770
$100, $50, $25, with a large sum of

1058
00:45:30,770 --> 00:45:34,810
just individual donations and monthly donations.

1059
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:37,210
We have monthly donors here at Unchained TV,

1060
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:40,190
and they're even $5 a month, $10 a

1061
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:40,290
month.

1062
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:40,870
It helps.

1063
00:45:41,230 --> 00:45:42,110
It adds up.

1064
00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:43,650
So get on there.

1065
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:45,750
Do you have a monthly donation option?

1066
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:46,050
Absolutely.

1067
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:46,670
Yes.

1068
00:45:46,810 --> 00:45:47,310
Yes, we do.

1069
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:49,110
I'm going to become a monthly donor right

1070
00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:50,150
now, as soon as this is over.

1071
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:50,890
Thank you.

1072
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:52,310
Thank you so much.

1073
00:45:53,470 --> 00:45:56,150
If everybody watching this became a monthly donor

1074
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:59,190
for $15 a month, that's three cups of

1075
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:59,570
coffee.

1076
00:45:59,710 --> 00:46:00,970
Depending on where you are, it could be

1077
00:46:00,970 --> 00:46:02,470
two cups or one cup of coffee.

1078
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:04,850
We could already buy one elephant.

1079
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:07,210
So please do that.

1080
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:11,190
It's vfaes.org.

1081
00:46:11,770 --> 00:46:12,250
Donate.

1082
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:13,570
I'm going to do it as soon as

1083
00:46:13,570 --> 00:46:15,850
this is over because I'm excited.

1084
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:16,790
I want solutions.

1085
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:19,630
I get depressed when I hear about these

1086
00:46:19,630 --> 00:46:21,490
problems, when I see these images, but then

1087
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:24,450
when I go, wait, we can fix this.

1088
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:25,130
Exactly.

1089
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:26,630
So empowering.

1090
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:29,610
And I just love the example you're offering

1091
00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:30,770
all of them.

1092
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:33,110
And Tom says, put her on the team.

1093
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:34,170
Yeah, you're right.

1094
00:46:35,550 --> 00:46:37,010
And yes.

1095
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:40,970
And Rowan Chandler says, you're a wonderful human

1096
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:41,210
being.

1097
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:42,730
I hope you publish another book.

1098
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:42,990
Yes.

1099
00:46:43,310 --> 00:46:44,950
On top of that, she's written books.

1100
00:46:45,810 --> 00:46:47,450
My head is exploding.

1101
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:48,070
Okay.

1102
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:53,030
And this is another good one we just

1103
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:56,770
heard from Navia who donated $100.

1104
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:58,890
She said, I can spare a cup of

1105
00:46:58,890 --> 00:47:00,430
coffee for such a good cause.

1106
00:47:00,530 --> 00:47:00,670
Yes.

1107
00:47:01,150 --> 00:47:01,990
Thank you.

1108
00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:02,990
That touches me.

1109
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:03,410
Yeah.

1110
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:04,750
A couple of cups of coffee.

1111
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:06,510
That's what I tell people that donate to

1112
00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:07,290
Unshamed TV.

1113
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:09,710
But the same thing applies to you.

1114
00:47:09,790 --> 00:47:12,390
For a couple of cups of coffee, you

1115
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:13,550
can be saving elephants.

1116
00:47:14,090 --> 00:47:19,490
And it's just so crucial because we are

1117
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:22,610
destroying wildlife all over the world.

1118
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:29,010
We've reduced wildlife biomass, mammal biomass to 4

1119
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:33,170
% of total mammal biomass while increasing livestock

1120
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:37,530
to 62%, which means that most living beings

1121
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:40,490
on this planet are being created forcibly.

1122
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:42,610
They're not making love on these factory farms,

1123
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,210
forcibly impregnated and created only to be killed.

1124
00:47:46,610 --> 00:47:48,690
There's something really wrong with that.

1125
00:47:48,990 --> 00:47:51,330
We can turn it around by fostering wildlife,

1126
00:47:51,950 --> 00:47:52,510
rewilding.

1127
00:47:52,990 --> 00:47:56,410
And Sangeeta, you're also fighting climate change as

1128
00:47:56,410 --> 00:47:57,250
you rewild.

1129
00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:59,730
So that's another really important thing that you're

1130
00:47:59,730 --> 00:48:00,030
doing.

1131
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:02,050
You're operating on all fronts.

1132
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:04,210
All you need is some cold hard cash

1133
00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:05,630
to make this happen.

1134
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:08,050
And we're going to get it for you.

1135
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:10,110
I want to really be involved in this.

1136
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:12,970
Let me just tell you a little bit

1137
00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:17,330
about- Sorry, that website address is wrong.

1138
00:48:17,330 --> 00:48:21,330
It is VFAES, V-A-E-S, F

1139
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:22,050
as in Frank.

1140
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:25,050
Kim was going to get a thousand lashings

1141
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:28,190
with a wet noodle, a wet ramen noodle.

1142
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:29,190
Here it is.

1143
00:48:29,290 --> 00:48:31,230
She's one of our great volunteers though.

1144
00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:38,170
VFAES.org, V-A-E-S.org.

1145
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:39,190
All right.

1146
00:48:39,450 --> 00:48:42,950
So you're talking about your efforts.

1147
00:48:43,070 --> 00:48:46,190
I want to take a moment because she

1148
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:48,190
has an entire channel on Unchained TV.

1149
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:50,530
And some people even say to me this

1150
00:48:50,530 --> 00:48:54,730
day, what exactly is Unchained TV?

1151
00:48:54,930 --> 00:48:57,110
So here's a little video that has the

1152
00:48:57,110 --> 00:48:57,370
answer.

1153
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:59,370
So it's a vegan Netflix.

1154
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:59,870
Okay.

1155
00:48:59,890 --> 00:49:01,530
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1156
00:49:01,530 --> 00:49:02,790
I love Unchained TV.

1157
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:03,590
Unchained.

1158
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:04,790
Unchained TV.

1159
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:05,750
Your life will change.

1160
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:06,930
It's just that easy.

1161
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:09,770
Unchained TV has all sorts of content for

1162
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:10,250
everybody.

1163
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:12,690
Unchained TV changed my life.

1164
00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:15,790
Unchained TV is crushing it.

1165
00:49:15,970 --> 00:49:17,490
I love Unchained TV.

1166
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:19,470
Unchained TV is my go-to.

1167
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:20,630
Unchained TV.

1168
00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:21,570
Who knew?

1169
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:23,490
Unchained, baby.

1170
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:24,050
Yes.

1171
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,540
And you can download Unchained TV.

1172
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:33,680
It's so easy.

1173
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:34,340
It's free.

1174
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,040
We're the world's only vegan streaming network.

1175
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:37,340
You can download it on your phone.

1176
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:38,580
Just go to your app store and put

1177
00:49:38,580 --> 00:49:39,820
in Unchained TV, one word.

1178
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,800
Or you can download it on your television.

1179
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,760
It's on all Samsung televisions.

1180
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,040
There's my Samsung TV right behind me.

1181
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,340
And there are just some of the more

1182
00:49:51,340 --> 00:49:53,560
than 1,500, actually, we're up to almost

1183
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,300
2,000 videos.

1184
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:02,460
And amongst those videos is Sangeeta's The Elephant

1185
00:50:02,460 --> 00:50:03,080
Matrix.

1186
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:07,980
So there's just so much fun stuff, serious

1187
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:10,040
documentaries, fun stuff.

1188
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,620
We even have a reality show called Pig

1189
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:16,080
Little Lies, the world's first reality show starring

1190
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,000
a family of pigs.

1191
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,040
How sweet.

1192
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:22,360
Whatever you're interested in, watch.

1193
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:23,640
It's free.

1194
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:25,640
People sometimes say, what's your angle?

1195
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,080
My angle is I worked for 30 plus

1196
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,660
years in mainstream television, and they don't cover.

1197
00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:35,360
They don't cover what's happening to animals.

1198
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,400
So I said, I'm going to use my

1199
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:37,920
skills.

1200
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,340
I worked at a lot of networks.

1201
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:40,540
I'm going to create my own network.

1202
00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:41,580
It's not mine.

1203
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,400
It's a nonprofit.

1204
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,920
I don't take a salary.

1205
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,960
We're almost all volunteer run.

1206
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:48,220
We are simply trying to get the word

1207
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:50,720
out because you know what?

1208
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,020
No amount of money is going to be

1209
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:54,600
as good as saving our planet.

1210
00:50:54,900 --> 00:50:57,040
If we can't even walk across the street

1211
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,280
without fading because of climate change, if there's

1212
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,610
no wildlife left except in zoos, what's the

1213
00:51:04,610 --> 00:51:05,190
use of money?

1214
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:08,310
Your thoughts on that, Sangeeta?

1215
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:10,450
Yeah, no, you're absolutely correct.

1216
00:51:10,610 --> 00:51:12,370
And you were talking about climate change.

1217
00:51:12,490 --> 00:51:14,350
Elephants are climate mitigators.

1218
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:17,990
They wander across vast areas for hours on

1219
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:20,110
end, disperse seeds in their dung.

1220
00:51:20,490 --> 00:51:25,010
Each elephant poops about 300 pounds of dung

1221
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:26,170
per day.

1222
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:28,610
And in that dung, it has all this

1223
00:51:28,610 --> 00:51:32,230
precious, rich seeds that are wholesome because elephants

1224
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:34,430
don't digest all of the food that they

1225
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:34,990
consume.

1226
00:51:35,530 --> 00:51:37,770
And so they wander across 16 to 18

1227
00:51:37,770 --> 00:51:41,410
hours a day for miles on end and

1228
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:43,030
they disperse seeds in their dung.

1229
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:46,870
These seeds become trees, obviously, and trees give

1230
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:48,830
us oxygen to breathe and take up the

1231
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:49,190
carbon.

1232
00:51:49,290 --> 00:51:50,210
But here's the rub.

1233
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:54,570
Elephants also trample the softwood trees, opening up

1234
00:51:54,570 --> 00:51:55,450
the pathways.

1235
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:59,350
And then they also pull down these canopies,

1236
00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:01,690
allowing the rain and sunshine to penetrate the

1237
00:52:01,690 --> 00:52:01,990
soil.

1238
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:08,030
And the hardwood trees, they devour these rich

1239
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:12,490
ingredients and the hardwood trees, they sequester a

1240
00:52:12,490 --> 00:52:14,630
lot more carbon than the softwood trees.

1241
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:18,950
That's how they help sequester carbon and mitigate

1242
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:19,790
climate change.

1243
00:52:19,850 --> 00:52:21,610
And you know, if you want to talk

1244
00:52:21,610 --> 00:52:27,010
money, the International Monetary Authority Monetary Fund has

1245
00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:35,130
pegged one single forest elephant at approximately $75

1246
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:38,850
million per elephant in its lifetime.

1247
00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:39,590
We are priceless.

1248
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:40,650
Let me just jump in.

1249
00:52:40,690 --> 00:52:42,110
We got a really quick caller here.

1250
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:43,670
We've got like only two minutes left in

1251
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:44,050
our show.

1252
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:46,210
Annie in Sherman Oaks, your question or thought

1253
00:52:46,210 --> 00:52:46,990
for Sangeeta.

1254
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:52,940
Annie?

1255
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:53,620
All right.

1256
00:52:53,700 --> 00:52:54,840
Well, maybe she went away.

1257
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,640
I'm here.

1258
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:55,980
I'm here.

1259
00:52:56,100 --> 00:52:56,260
Hello.

1260
00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:56,960
Can you hear me?

1261
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:57,680
Yes.

1262
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:58,800
What's your question or thought?

1263
00:52:58,900 --> 00:53:00,880
We only have a couple of minutes left.

1264
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:01,860
Awesome.

1265
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:02,160
Awesome.

1266
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:03,560
Thank you so much for having me.

1267
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,960
It's awesome what you're doing with the elephant.

1268
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,880
Sangeeta, it's incredible.

1269
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,660
From last time I saw you to this

1270
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:10,600
time, I love it.

1271
00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:13,400
And I always share everything about you and

1272
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,860
your dogs and shackles and all.

1273
00:53:16,590 --> 00:53:19,880
Is there anything that we can do to

1274
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:27,720
approach maybe the government or some organisations that

1275
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:31,360
can actually help, aside from sharing here, like

1276
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:31,980
in India?

1277
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:35,140
OK, good question.

1278
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,180
We have one minute.

1279
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:37,560
What's your answer?

1280
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:38,840
Indian organisations.

1281
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,940
Yeah, there are a lot of Indian organisations

1282
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:45,060
working on situations like this.

1283
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:47,800
Unfortunately, when it comes to culture, there's a

1284
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,960
backlash always.

1285
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,480
And these elephant mafias, they use culture and

1286
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,800
they shield behind the culture and they find

1287
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,240
shelter under culture and religion.

1288
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,840
And they say, this is part of our

1289
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,220
culture.

1290
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,540
This is part of our culture.

1291
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,000
And they plan these memes in the minds

1292
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,540
of people.

1293
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:09,220
And then there's this whole entire mob that

1294
00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:11,460
comes and attacks you when you talk.

1295
00:54:11,660 --> 00:54:13,240
So it's a difficult situation.

1296
00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:15,440
This is why we are taking a backdoor

1297
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,000
approach rather than going and attacking them from

1298
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,880
the front or approaching or lobbying or petitioning.

1299
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,360
It just doesn't work.

1300
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:27,580
India has 1.41 billion people.

1301
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:30,300
It's like the most densely populated country on

1302
00:54:30,300 --> 00:54:33,540
the planet, 18% of the world's population.

1303
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:35,000
So we have to be careful in how

1304
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,740
we deal with the situation there.

1305
00:54:37,260 --> 00:54:39,140
We are out of time, but I want

1306
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:42,560
to say, Sajita, you give me hope.

1307
00:54:43,220 --> 00:54:46,820
As Nelson Mandela said, it always seems impossible

1308
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:47,940
until it's done.

1309
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:50,940
You've documented the problem with an award-winning

1310
00:54:50,940 --> 00:54:53,480
documentary that is streaming on Shane TV.

1311
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,280
I urge everybody to check it out.

1312
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,820
And then you've also laid out the solution,

1313
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:04,840
practical, a half a dozen, practical, affordable, efficient,

1314
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,800
easy to implement solutions.

1315
00:55:08,140 --> 00:55:10,180
All you need is that funding.

1316
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,320
So that's why I say to everybody, if

1317
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,140
you care, become a monthly donor.

1318
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:15,280
I'm going to do it right now.

1319
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,420
As soon as we're off, $25 a month,

1320
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,260
we get 100 people doing $25 a month.

1321
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:22,720
You won't even notice it's gone.

1322
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:25,120
And we will save an elephant and then

1323
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,000
we'll have a big party.

1324
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,460
Yeah, absolutely.

1325
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,680
I look forward to it.

1326
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:30,940
And thank you, my God, you're my kindred

1327
00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:34,000
spirit and the work you do is phenomenal.

1328
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:35,240
So kudos to you.

1329
00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:36,660
Thank you for the opportunity.

1330
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,540
And let's continue this conversation.

1331
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:40,880
Maybe we could launch an elephant or something,

1332
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:41,680
you know?

1333
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:43,340
I love it.

1334
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:44,240
Let's do an elephant.

1335
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:45,000
All right.

1336
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:45,820
We're out of time.

1337
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:46,560
All right.

1338
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:47,660
Have a good one.