UnchainedTV: Hey Adidas- Kangaroos Are NOT Shoes!

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My name is Emma Hurst and I'm a

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member of parliament for the Animal Justice Party

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in Sydney, Australia.

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How did the Animal Justice Party get started?

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This party started because we realised that there

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was no other political party that was really

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representing animals in parliament and it became really

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clear when the environmental party that is already

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elected failed to support kangaroos.

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They were actually supporting legislation to shoot our

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kangaroos.

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People became really angry, really furious and realised

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there's just no voice for animals on that

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legal political scale and that was where the

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Animal Justice Party was formed.

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The first time we ran an election, we

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had somebody elected and the second time we

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ran in New South Wales, I got elected.

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Wow, we are so honoured and delighted at

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UnShade TV to have Emma Hurst, a member

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of parliament from Australia on today and she

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has a very strong message to Adidas.

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Emma, what would you say if you could

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talk to the leaders, the heads, the CEOs

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of Adidas right now?

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Just to stop using kangaroos to make shoes,

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simply.

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We have the largest land-based massacre of

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wildlife in the world here in Australia and

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we're talking about a very, very cruel industry.

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A lot of people are really aware of

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what happens to baby harp seals but if

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you're going to wear soccer shoes made out

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of kangaroo leather, you may as well wear

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a baby harp seal jacket to go with

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it.

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It is an absolutely horrific industry.

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The code of practise actually requires that joeys

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have their heads bashed in in this industry

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and we could end up seeing kangaroos go

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extinct in the same way as our koalas

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are now facing extinction as well in Australia.

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At the height of the holiday shopping season,

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there was a global day of action and

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this is a message that the Animal Justice

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Party, which Emma Hurst represents, has been trying

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to get through to Adidas for quite a

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while.

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Let's listen to a very emotional speech.

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Emma Hurst, again an Australian member of parliament

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made in New York City about this issue

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outside an Adidas store.

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I'm Emma Hurst and I'm a member of

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parliament in Australia and I'm here to send

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a very strong message to Adidas.

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The massacre of our native animals is a

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terrible price to pay for a pair of

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shoes.

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Keep your hands off our native animals.

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You have blood on your hands when you

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involve yourself in this massacre.

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There are other companies like Puma and Nike

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and today New Balance has also announced that

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they will not be using kangaroo leather.

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Adidas, you are now one of the last

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companies in the world that is involving yourself

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in the largest mass blood slaughter of native

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animals.

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Kangaroos are not shoes, just not the slaughter.

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The bludgeoning of joeys in our country is

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a terrible price to pay for a pair

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of shoes.

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This is the largest land-based massacre of

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wildlife in the world and as a representative

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of Australia who is elected to parliament, I

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want to say hands off our kangaroos.

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Stop using native animals for your shoes.

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What some of the people and Adidas is

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invited on to respond at any time has

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said during that protest which was brought to

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us courtesy theirturn.net The Australian government must

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be doing something about this.

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They want to save these beautiful animals that

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are so associated with their wonderful nation.

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What do you say to that as a

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member of parliament in Australia?

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We've got a really frustrating situation here in

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Australia.

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We actually ran a parliamentary enquiry here in

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New South Wales into the kangaroo killing industry.

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We have a two-party system similar to

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the US and the party that wasn't in

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power at the time really helped to expose

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what was happening in the kangaroo killing industry

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and were genuinely quite shocked and mortified by

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what was actually happening in the dark and

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hidden in the night.

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However, that party is now in power and

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they're going along with the same lines that

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we heard the previous government with.

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The government's really in bed with this industry

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and when myself and our state director Louise

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Ward actually travelled through the US, we were

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quite mortified to hear that different representatives and

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different people representing Australia and Australian governments were

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actually supporting this industry despite the absolute brutality

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and the risk of losing the species.

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We're also in the midst of the sixth

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mass extinction.

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Again, we invite Adidas on any time to

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respond.

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I want to go to Jennifer Skiff with

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the Centre for Humane Economy.

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You have actually met with Adidas.

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Can you tell me what they said?

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Again, we'd love to hear from them directly.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Thank you.

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It's great to be here with you, Jane.

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Wayne Fuseli, the founder of the Centre for

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Humane Economy, started this campaign.

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We started it three years ago, the Kangaroos

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Aren't Shoes campaign.

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It's been fantastic working with all these wonderful,

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wonderful people.

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In November, we did have a meeting with

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Frank Henke, who is the head of sustainability

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at Adidas.

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We talked to him.

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He was well aware of our campaign and

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well aware of the fact that Nike and

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Puma and New Balance, all last year, had

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made the decision to no longer use K

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-leather in their products.

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What he did tell us is that he

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believed that what the Australian government told him,

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which is that the commercial kangaroo shoot was

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sustainable and was humane.

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He also mentioned the RSPCA of Australia being

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under the impression that they felt it was

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okay, which I have spoken with RSPCA of

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Australia since then, and they do not, under

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any circumstances, think that the commercial shoot and

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the collateral damage of half a million joeys

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being killed in the pouches, being pulled from

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pouches and bludgeoned, or the joeys at foot

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who run and then starve to death, it's

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not okay.

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It's brutal.

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It's the antithesis of humane.

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Now, Donnie Moss, who is on our panel

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and has provided a lot of our footage,

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coordinated, along with some incredible team members, a

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very, very impactful protest at a flagship Adidas

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store.

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Let's look at that and then we're going

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to talk to him on the other side.

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Kangaroos are not shoes.

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Just stop the slaughter.

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This is Donnie Moss with theirturn.net at

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the Adidas store in New York City, where

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animal rights activists are calling on the company

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to stop killing kangaroos to make and to

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make the switch to cruelty-free materials like

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Puma, Nike, and New Balance.

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What do you think when you hear about

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this?

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We were not aware of that, so we're

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shocked.

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The government of Australia, it seems like they

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would have some ability to stop that.

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Certainly, there could be synthetic materials.

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They don't have to be killing kangaroos indiscriminately.

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Stop the torture.

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Stop the pain.

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Adidas football is to blame.

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Adidas is killing kangaroos to make soccer shoes.

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What?

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I just don't think that's necessary at all.

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I'm very sad about it.

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It's tragic.

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Kangaroos are not fashion.

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Where the hell is your compassion?

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So we have a message for Adidas.

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We will be back.

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We'll be back.

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We'll be back.

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So, Donnie, similar protests were happening in 30

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cities around the country at the height of

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the shopping season for the holidays.

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What do you think the impact is?

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Do you think that Adidas is getting the

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message?

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Because Nike was the subject of similar protests,

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and it was after those protests that Nike

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said, OK, all right, no more kangaroo leather.

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Yeah, so first of all, over the holidays,

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actually, 30 protests took place in three continents.

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They were in Australia, Europe, and the United

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States.

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And I can't help but think that there

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are a lot of people in the boardroom

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at Adidas talking about how to handle these

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protests.

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I once worked for a big company.

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When we were subjected to protests, people from

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marketing sales, security, legal, public relations, they all

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got together to talk about how to handle

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it.

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It's very disruptive to have a protest in

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even one store.

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But when you have protests in inside of

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or in front of stores all across the

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world, that really has to be having an

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impact.

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Adidas does not want their customer shopping experience

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to be disrupted by protests.

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They don't want their customers to know that

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they use kangaroo skin to make soccer shoes

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because they know that the vast majority of

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their customers would oppose it, just as we've

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shown you on camera.

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And so our feeling is that because they

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didn't listen to us when we sent letters

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and signed petitions, is that we have to

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escalate with these disruptions until they do what

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they know is the right thing.

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Okay.

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We've got a caller, Nilo Farr from Dallas,

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Texas.

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Your question or thought for our incredible panel

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talking about this campaign to get Adidas to,

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hey, Adidas, kangaroos are not shoes.

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Hi.

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Consumer trends increasingly showed that consumers are aligned

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with products of ethics and sustainability, which means

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vegan products, not what Adidas purports to be

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a product of bludgeoning kangaroos.

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My question is for Adidas, but since they're

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not here, maybe you can address it.

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Why do you think that they are not

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progressing with the times, which, by the way,

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will be good for business as shown by

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Nike, Puma, and New Balance?

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Excellent question.

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Louise Ward with Centre for Humane Economy, or

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Animal Justice Party Australia.

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Yes.

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Take it away.

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Look, I really can't answer that.

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And I'd just like to echo Donny's statement.

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We'd love to know what's happening in Adidas

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boardrooms right now, because they must be seriously

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considering the impact of continuing to use kangaroo

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products in their shoes, which are actually used

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in a tiny proportion of the football boots

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that they make.

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So I really don't understand why they are

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holding the line on using kangaroo skin.

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And maybe they are considering it right now.

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I would think that they were considering just

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stopping using it altogether, but I can't answer.

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Maybe Jennifer, who's met with Adidas, could answer

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better than me.

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Possibly.

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I mean, do you have any idea why?

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It seems like it always takes a lot

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of protests.

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This is true throughout the entire animal rights

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panoply of campaigns.

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You ask nicely, you send letters, you show

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evidence, you say, hey, there's no humane way

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to slaughter these wild animals, and there's crickets,

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crickets, no response.

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Then there's protests.

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Then the protests become in-store protests.

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Then they become die-ins.

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Then they become global campaigns.

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And then all of a sudden, voila, oh,

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we see the light.

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I mean, it seems like that is pretty

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much the three-act play that has to

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occur for the change to happen.

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Jennifer.

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Yes, Jane, you're right.

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I did a lot of research that we

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have, actually, at the centre.

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And one thing that we found is that

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Adidas, as they call themselves, they've used kangaroo

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leather for a long time, and they've kicked

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some winning goals with it.

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So it's ingrained in the corporate thought process.

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It's kind of their trophy, if you will.

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And so I think that's part, probably, of

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what they're thinking about.

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But I will tell you, I even mentioned

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during the meeting that David Beckham, when he

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was working for them, accepting money, being sponsored

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by them for millions of dollars, someone showed

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him some videos of the Joeys being killed

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in Australia, and he refused to wear any

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kangaroo leather.

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And that was, oh, it was a long

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time ago.

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So they continued on.

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Even with that situation, they continued to use

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K-leather.

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Wow.

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Even with David Beckham, perhaps the most famous

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star in that sport globally.

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So I want to go back to Emma.

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What's next?

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Where do you think this campaign needs to

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go?

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, look, for us, it's really

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difficult to get any kind of movement here

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in Australia.

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There's a real issue with the government supporting

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this industry and promoting it and pushing it

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forward.

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And while Australians absolutely love animals and they're

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absolutely horrified by this industry, it's very difficult

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for us to get laws changed here.

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So that's why we have taken our campaign

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international.

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We do have a bill in the US,

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which we want to make sure is passed.

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And that bill would actually, and we're working

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on that bill with the Centre for Humane

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Economy as well.

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Now, that bill would mean that imports of

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kangaroo body parts are illegal right across the

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US.

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So this would actually stop companies like Adidas

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in their tracks from being able to actually

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sell their shoes that are made out of

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kangaroo skins.

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And of course, we want bills in other

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countries as well, because we know, and when

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we went to the US, when Louise and

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I went to the US, and everyone that

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we met with, every single congressperson that we

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met with and spoke about what was happening

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in this industry was absolutely horrified.

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And they wanted to know how they could

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help.

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So we're really looking to the US, we're

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looking to the residents of the US to

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help us with this campaign and to stand

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by kangaroos and protect these animals.

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Yeah, we have a little clip of that

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proposed legislation.

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Now there is currently bills that have been

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put forward, and we're going to Washington DC.

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We want to support the politicians in America

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who are putting this bill up.

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We want to help lobby to get that

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passed.

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So it's being sponsored by three Republicans and

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three Democrats.

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And that bill will make it illegal to

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import kangaroo meat and skins from Australia.

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And that's exactly the pressure we need.

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The US is the second largest importer of

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kangaroo meat and skins.

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And so it will send a really clear,

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strong message to Australia that this is animal

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cruelty.

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And we don't want it here.

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But I am shocked.

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Just hearing the word kangaroo meat.

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I was just like, Are you kidding me?

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I've never heard of that.

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What?

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I'm almost speechless.

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Emma?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's a lot of kangaroo meat

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is used in pet food.

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And so I mean, it's not something that

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people eat here in Australia, either.

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There was a ban in Russia from the

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the importation of kangaroo meats that occurred several

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years ago.

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And that was really because of the E.

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coli and salmonella.

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There was a whole lot of investigations in

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regards to, you know, because these animals are

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being shot in Australia.

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And remember, Australia is a hot climate.

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So we're in summer right now.

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So it can be 40 degrees that these

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animals are being sorry, that's Celsius.

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I don't know what that is.

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Sorry, in Fahrenheit, but very, very hot.

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And so these animals are being shot in

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the heat.

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And their bodies are being dragged through the

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dirt.

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They're getting put on the back of a

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trailer in the middle of, you know, the

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dusty outback, and then put into these trailers.

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And they're left there until they're collected and

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put into chillers and cut up.

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And what we found was that the E.

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coli was absolutely through the roof.

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And I know, my vet certainly told me

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never to feed companion animals kangaroo meat, because

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of the risk of health problems within that.

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But sometimes kangaroo meat can be hidden in

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sausages, or it can be put into other

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dishes as well.

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So it is something that is being exported

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around the world.

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And as I said, it's being used quite

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a bit in the pet food industry.

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But the way that this industry is really

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making their money is through the skins.

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And that's why we're really focused on companies

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like Adidas who are using the skins, because

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that's what makes this market financially profitable.

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So I really want to try to get

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a sense of the impact of these protests.

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In a couple of seconds, you're going to

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hear from the LA organisers.

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I actually attended that protest.

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Unchained TV was there supporting that protest.

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And I did partake in the in-store

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demo.

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But it was happening in 30 cities around

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the world.

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So Donnie, you're kind of, you know, the

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person who really has turned these kinds of

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protests into an art form.

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Give us the trajectory in your mind of

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how much it's going to take for Adidas

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to hear.

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Yes.

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So of course, we won't know.

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We're not inside that boardroom right now.

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We don't know what the tipping point will

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be for Adidas.

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But what I can tell you is that

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they are frustrated.

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And you hear that in the voices of

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the employees.

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Not that we're interested in engaging with the

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employees.

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We're really not.

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But the employees have been instructed to not

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interact with us at all and to ignore

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us.

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But sometimes they do.

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And sometimes they come after us.

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And that can get sort of disruptive.

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And so and the reason I point that

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out is because that requires the human resources

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department at Adidas corporate to sort of roll

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out new training methods or manuals for how

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employees need to handle protesters.

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And as more activists around the world join

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this campaign and protest inside of or in

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front of their local Adidas stores, more employees

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have to be trained.

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It's just such a pain in the neck,

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for lack of a better expression, that a

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part of me thinks Adidas is going to

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wipe their hands clean of K-leather just

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to avoid all of the human resource issues

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involved.

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And I had it mentioned that earlier.

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I will say this, you know, we never

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know what the tipping point is because these

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companies typically don't tell us.

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In the case of Nike, we did a

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lot of in-store demos and they were

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happening in several continents.

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But it was just a few days before

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we were going to protest at the home

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of a board member, Nike's board of directors,

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who was in charge of sustainability, that they

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announced that kangaroo free policy.

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So maybe we need to escalate and bring

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this campaign to the homes of the decision

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makers.

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And then, you know, what happens is there's

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also backlash against that.

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People are saying, oh, why are you protesting

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in front of my home?

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It's kind of sad because I think it's

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a case of selective indignation.

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As I said, there are so many efforts

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that are taken that are gentle and polite.

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And Louise Ward with the Centre, with the

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Animal Justice Party, you can probably address that.

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Or maybe Jennifer Canamy, what nice ways have

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you taken to try to explain the situation?

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Who wants to take it?

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Louise?

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I will.

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I'll lead into Louise in saying that Louise

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was the brainchild of the Global Day of

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Protest.

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And she is the right person to answer

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this question.

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Go ahead.

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Look, we've tried, as has the Centre for

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a Humane Economy over many years now, to

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write to Adidas, to send them nice messages,

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to send them encouraging messages, to try and

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tell them, you know, what is happening to

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kangaroos right now in Australia.

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And they ignored us.

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And what can you do when people ignore

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you?

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You have to take that protest to them.

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So that's what we decided to do, to

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take the protest to the front doors of

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Nike, to the front doors of Adidas.

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And what about the whole concept that Donnie

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mentioned, which, you know, unfortunately, I wish it

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wasn't necessary.

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But having viewed many of these campaigns, it

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seems like when you get to the board

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members' Hamptons houses, or their fancy, you know,

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retreats, or their Park Avenue homes, and the

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reason I say that is I've seen the

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Donnie Moss protests in the Hamptons, protests on

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Park Avenue.

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You know, these are very wealthy people.

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And they don't like their neighbours to see

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all this stuff.

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Donnie, I have to go back to you.

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That's what it takes, I think.

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Yeah, it's not always what it takes.

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But sometimes that is what it takes.

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And, you know, think about how embarrassing it

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is for activists.

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And keep in mind, we don't want to

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be doing this.

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It's just that they forced us to do

544
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,580
it by ignoring us.

545
00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:37,660
But how, how awkward and embarrassing it is

546
00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:39,460
it for somebody to walk out of their

547
00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,040
apartment building or their home, and to see

548
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,680
activists with a picture of the face of

549
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,360
the person we're protesting next to kangaroos, you

550
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:51,100
know, with a gunshot wounds with a Joey,

551
00:23:51,540 --> 00:23:53,720
sort of at the mother's side crying.

552
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,800
Nobody wants to be portrayed in that light.

553
00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:58,220
It's very embarrassing for them.

554
00:23:58,220 --> 00:24:01,980
People have neighbours, people have jobs, they don't,

555
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:02,940
they don't want it.

556
00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:05,380
And so we know, and I know from

557
00:24:05,380 --> 00:24:08,640
having worked at a big company once, that

558
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,700
people don't like to be targeted as individuals,

559
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,640
these decision makers.

560
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,540
And so we, what's effective is doing what

561
00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:15,900
they want, don't want us to do.

562
00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:18,620
All right, we got a caller Jose in

563
00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:21,280
Arlington, Texas, your question or thought for our

564
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,900
panel on the campaign to get Adidas to

565
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,520
stop using kangaroo leather.

566
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,520
Hi, thank you.

567
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,760
I heard you guys mentioned that there was

568
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,980
one soccer player that was completely against, you

569
00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:38,160
know, using these kangaroo products.

570
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,440
So I guess my question would be, is

571
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,620
there been any type of attempt for you

572
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:45,880
guys to reach out to any other types

573
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,060
of celebrities to maybe help them endorse your

574
00:24:48,060 --> 00:24:48,360
campaign?

575
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,060
Oh, great, great question.

576
00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:54,060
All right, who wants to take it?

577
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:54,420
Jennifer?

578
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,080
Yeah, we have.

579
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,920
But we, during the World Cup, it was

580
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,400
a little, it was a little bit late,

581
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,460
reaching out to women's soccer players in Australia.

582
00:25:09,940 --> 00:25:14,960
But I will tell you, anyone who's watching

583
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,600
and has some celebrity friends in the sports

584
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,940
world, we would love to talk to you

585
00:25:19,940 --> 00:25:20,580
about this.

586
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,220
Absolutely great idea.

587
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:26,520
We have made attempts and, but great idea.

588
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,600
I also think celebrities in general, you know,

589
00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:33,920
from my perch, getting a good overview of

590
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,640
what's happening in the animal rights world, celebrities

591
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,720
go a long way.

592
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,940
Like one celebrity standing out, we're here in

593
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:42,300
Hollywood.

594
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,600
So I mean, one celebrity coming to Hollywood,

595
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,980
Adidas store in Santa Monica, or on the

596
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:51,260
world's trendiest street, Abbot Kinney, where they have

597
00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:54,640
a store and saying, you know, what, speaking

598
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,040
their mind about this issue.

599
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:59,100
I mean, Emma, as a member of Parliament,

600
00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:01,760
I would think that you might have the

601
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,940
ability to get that kind of celebrity endorsement

602
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:09,280
for this campaign that others might not be

603
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:09,680
able to.

604
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:13,280
And look, we have absolutely reached out to

605
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:13,800
celebrities.

606
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,580
And again, we're looking for international celebrities.

607
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:21,100
And I know Louise Ward, our state director,

608
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:23,560
has also reached out to celebrities.

609
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,640
There is a celebrity cricketer here who is

610
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,760
also vegan, who has spoken out against the

611
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,920
use of kangaroo leather.

612
00:26:33,580 --> 00:26:36,740
So he here in Australia has spoken on

613
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:37,500
this campaign.

614
00:26:37,980 --> 00:26:41,160
But we are looking for some international celebrities

615
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,400
too, because I know that that particular celebrity

616
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,080
who did speak out did get some pressure

617
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,800
from within the sporting industry as well, because

618
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,800
he spoke out.

619
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,840
So there's some real concerns here, but really

620
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560
to get the message really far and really

621
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,640
wide, we need some of those really big

622
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,340
name celebrities over in the UK and in

623
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:06,900
the US.

624
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,380
Donny, you apparently have some information regarding celebrities

625
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,060
and this kind of campaign.

626
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,580
Yeah, I mean, James Cromwell, the star of

627
00:27:18,580 --> 00:27:21,240
that iconic film, Babe, about the pig, and

628
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,380
of Succession, that blockbuster show in the US

629
00:27:23,380 --> 00:27:27,100
and maybe elsewhere, he actually came to an

630
00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:31,080
Adidas protest and staged a disruption and a

631
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320
speak out inside of one of Adidas' very

632
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,840
large Manhattan stores.

633
00:27:36,620 --> 00:27:38,820
And you could see that the employees were

634
00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:41,920
simultaneously upset and excited to see the celebrity

635
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,920
inside of the store.

636
00:27:43,380 --> 00:27:46,260
And that video, and so much of these

637
00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:48,460
protests is about ensuring that we reach an

638
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:50,280
even wider audience with the video, but that

639
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,080
video absolutely went viral on many different social

640
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,760
media outlets.

641
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,180
And so yeah, it really does make a

642
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:00,500
difference when someone with that platform speaks out

643
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:02,920
and does so sort of compellingly and thoughtfully,

644
00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:04,160
as James Cromwell did.

645
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:07,240
We've got another caller, Sam in Pasadena, your

646
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,500
question or thought for our panel on the

647
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,240
campaign to get Adidas to stop using kangaroo

648
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,580
leather.

649
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,440
Hi, hi, my name is Sam.

650
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,760
Thank you so much for speaking up and

651
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,660
fighting for kangaroos in Australia.

652
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,820
And thank you, Emma, for being a voice

653
00:28:22,820 --> 00:28:27,100
on the parliament, being a parliament and speaking

654
00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,920
out because I really believe that fighting for

655
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,200
animals require legislative action.

656
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,020
My question to you guys is, you know,

657
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:40,780
aside from protesting at stores, can you suggest

658
00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:44,620
where else we can perhaps write letters or

659
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:47,860
somehow get negative publicity on Adidas?

660
00:28:48,420 --> 00:28:51,000
Can you share some other ways that activists

661
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,960
can help aside on top of going to

662
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,340
the stores to protest?

663
00:28:55,380 --> 00:28:55,720
Thank you.

664
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Yeah, Emma, you want to take that?

665
00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:59,620
Sure.

666
00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,960
Look, there are so many ways that people

667
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,880
can get involved.

668
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,900
I know that there's some fantastic videos that

669
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:08,460
have been put together by the Animal Justice

670
00:29:08,460 --> 00:29:10,760
Party, by the Centre for Human Economy, by

671
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,640
Unchain, and also by Donnie Moss at their

672
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,380
turn as well.

673
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,880
So sharing all of those across social media,

674
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,640
sharing our petitions as well.

675
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,860
The Animal Justice Party has petitions about this

676
00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:24,300
as well.

677
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,040
And of course, writing to Adidas as well.

678
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Look, certainly, you know, and as a politician,

679
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,120
I can tell you the more correspondence that

680
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320
we receive on an issue, you know, your

681
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,240
actual email might feel as though it's ignored.

682
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
But I know from working with all these

683
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,380
other politicians, that when you receive a huge

684
00:29:46,380 --> 00:29:49,360
number of emails about a certain issue, while

685
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,900
your particular email may not necessarily be read

686
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:55,940
by the CEO, for example, certainly at their

687
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:58,120
meetings, they will get a report on how

688
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,460
many emails they received on a particular issue.

689
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,480
So they might say, look, we've had over

690
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,660
5000 emails about the fact that we're using

691
00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:06,440
kangaroo leather.

692
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:09,720
So it will come across their table and

693
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,740
will get their attention.

694
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,080
All right.

695
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,260
And Louise, you're saying that you've got another

696
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:15,360
campaign coming up?

697
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Yeah, so we're planning another global online action.

698
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:22,580
So it's going to be a three pronged

699
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:23,980
attack on Adidas.

700
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,360
So we're looking at creating a comment storm

701
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,800
on their Instagram, looking at calling, we want

702
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,880
to get people in every country in the

703
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,140
world to call Adidas head office in that

704
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:37,560
country.

705
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920
And then also an email storm as well

706
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,340
to Adidas.

707
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,280
So I can share those details of those

708
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440
actions and every single person in the world

709
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,860
can participate in those three actions that are

710
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:52,900
going to be occurring on the 16th of

711
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:53,420
January.

712
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,340
And we're going to do some protests at

713
00:30:57,340 --> 00:31:01,420
Adidas headquarters in various countries as well to

714
00:31:01,420 --> 00:31:03,320
coincide with the online actions.

715
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,600
How many cities do you expect for the

716
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,860
January 16th?

717
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:08,940
I'm not sure yet.

718
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,600
I know we have people in Canada in

719
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Toronto that are going to be going to

720
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,220
the HQ there.

721
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,420
We've got people in Australia, Melbourne is the

722
00:31:19,420 --> 00:31:20,140
head office here.

723
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,900
And I know that the activists in Germany

724
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,760
who've been amazing, and of course, Adidas is

725
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,600
a German company, are very motivated to get

726
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920
to the Adidas global headquarters in Germany.

727
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,520
What city in Germany?

728
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:41,040
Donnie might remember, it's not one of the

729
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:41,920
main cities.

730
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,460
So I can't think of it off the

731
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:44,360
top of my head.

732
00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:48,700
But that's where their headquarters is.

733
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:52,000
So that might be a very good way

734
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,760
to get their attention by going to the

735
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,480
actual...

736
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Donnie, when you said go to the homes,

737
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:00,180
if they're in Germany, that's a little bit

738
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:00,760
complicated.

739
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,540
Yes, except that there are animal rights activists

740
00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:05,140
in Germany.

741
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,740
I don't think that they've protested in the

742
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:10,320
city where Adidas' headquarters is located.

743
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,240
But also Adidas has corporate offices here in

744
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,080
the United States.

745
00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:18,180
And so we're not there yet.

746
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:21,200
We really want to give Adidas and its

747
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,740
executives the opportunity to do the right thing

748
00:32:23,740 --> 00:32:26,400
before we show up on their front doorsteps.

749
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Well, I mean, this has been going on

750
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,620
for a while.

751
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:30,820
How much longer?

752
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Not much longer.

753
00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:34,980
I mean, you know, and I do think

754
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:37,620
that the German activists in particular are and

755
00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:38,820
they've been so wonderful.

756
00:32:38,940 --> 00:32:41,180
They just jumped on board on this campaign,

757
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:42,980
and have sort of taken the ball and

758
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:43,500
run with it.

759
00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:47,420
And so, yeah, I think that the German

760
00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:49,400
activists have that in their sights.

761
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:50,880
Excellent.

762
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400
And I'm just going to kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

763
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,900
That's the hub, right, where people can go.

764
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,200
And once they go there, there's a whole

765
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,900
bunch of petitions that they can sign.

766
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,600
That's easy to remember.

767
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:04,840
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

768
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:06,900
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

769
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,860
Head over there right now and sign all

770
00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:09,400
the petitions.

771
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,740
Now, I want to bring in these folks

772
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:17,040
who are the organisers of the L.A.

773
00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:21,200
campaign against Adidas for using kangaroo leather, Annie

774
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,920
Abram, Michael Fujimori, and their beautiful little dog,

775
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:27,580
Annie's beautiful little dog, Chanel.

776
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:30,340
I'm going to play a clip of the

777
00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:33,060
protest that they had, which I attended.

778
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,060
I also spoke.

779
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:35,380
And then we're going to talk to them

780
00:33:35,380 --> 00:33:36,420
on the other side.

781
00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:08,540
They are curious, compassionate, and highly social beings

782
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:12,340
who live with their family in bonded community

783
00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:15,239
groups and take care of each other.

784
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,320
Kangaroos live in harmony with nature and other

785
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,020
animals.

786
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,400
Kangaroos are also the victims of the largest

787
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,679
slaughter of land-based wildlife on the whole

788
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:29,300
planet.

789
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Kangaroos are brutally killed.

790
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:35,600
Adidas is making the false claim on its

791
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,480
website and in media statements that killing kangaroos

792
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,699
is inhumane.

793
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:42,179
It is anything but.

794
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:50,880
Kangaroos are hunted, terrorised, maimed, wounded, shot, and

795
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,340
killed.

796
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,659
Baby kangaroos are bashed to death on bullboards.

797
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,160
They're left to die a slow, lonely death

798
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,420
without their mother.

799
00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:02,020
Wow.

800
00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:09,050
So, Annie, tell us what it was like

801
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:09,930
putting it together.

802
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:11,350
You were very emotional.

803
00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:13,050
How did you think it went?

804
00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:15,890
It went excellent.

805
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:20,370
I was very impressed by everyone, including you.

806
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:21,830
I was thrilled.

807
00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:23,730
We were so lucky to have you, really.

808
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:28,390
And this is something that really touches my

809
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:28,710
heart.

810
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:30,250
I lose sleep over this.

811
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:33,150
Babies like mine, I carry her on a

812
00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:36,150
baby carrier just like a joey.

813
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:41,250
It touches me dearly and personally to think

814
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:44,370
of someone coming and hurting me or hurting

815
00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:45,310
my baby.

816
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:49,410
I take the horror that happens to animals

817
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:52,350
so dear and near to me.

818
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:54,650
Let me ask you, Michael, are you guys

819
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:57,530
going to do the January 16th, I believe

820
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:58,130
they said?

821
00:35:58,730 --> 00:36:00,250
What are your plans for that?

822
00:36:00,970 --> 00:36:03,570
Actually, we researched that, Jane, and the headquarters

823
00:36:03,570 --> 00:36:05,550
for Adidas in the U.S. is in

824
00:36:05,550 --> 00:36:06,770
Portland, Oregon, I believe.

825
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:11,450
So, I don't know if it's possible to

826
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:16,590
organise something for the whole country to get

827
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:17,470
together in Portland.

828
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:18,810
That would be a big ask.

829
00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:19,650
What about LA?

830
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:21,590
What are you going to do, January 16th?

831
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:26,450
Are you going to do something January 16th?

832
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:27,470
Yeah, we are going to do something.

833
00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:28,510
We will do something.

834
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:29,710
All right.

835
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:30,470
Sounds good.

836
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:33,390
So, we're just getting a little sense of

837
00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:36,050
one of the 30 protests.

838
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:39,190
What do we know about Portland?

839
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:40,770
New information.

840
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:42,730
I was not aware that Portland was a

841
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:45,450
key location for Adidas.

842
00:36:46,410 --> 00:36:49,870
Jennifer, what do you think could happen there?

843
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:55,210
Well, we talk about it in our meetings,

844
00:36:55,470 --> 00:36:58,610
but the protesting is up to the protesters.

845
00:36:58,950 --> 00:37:03,150
We are the people who meet with Adidas

846
00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:05,870
and strategise over the campaign.

847
00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:08,290
So, I'll leave that up to Donnie.

848
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:10,790
Donnie and I have talked about that before,

849
00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:13,770
and yeah, it's a possibility.

850
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:15,110
Donnie?

851
00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:19,070
Yeah, I've definitely reached out to activists in

852
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,690
Portland, and I've put this on their radar

853
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:23,910
screen, and I'm following up with them, because

854
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:27,230
Portland really would be a key city for

855
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:28,570
these protests to take place.

856
00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:31,710
What are you doing on January 16th?

857
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:34,790
I don't disclose when we're having protests in

858
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:37,510
New York City, because I want to have

859
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:39,310
the ability to get inside of the store

860
00:37:39,310 --> 00:37:41,910
to demonstrate, and if they know we're coming

861
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:44,370
in advance, then they'll have extra security there

862
00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:45,490
on the lookout for us.

863
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:48,110
So, I'm not going to disclose here what

864
00:37:48,110 --> 00:37:49,010
we're doing and when.

865
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:51,550
What's your prediction about what's going to happen?

866
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:53,810
Because I have to say, for those who

867
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:56,430
may not be aware, Donnie Moss has pulled

868
00:37:56,430 --> 00:38:00,130
off the impossible, not once, but a dozen

869
00:38:00,130 --> 00:38:06,050
times, where companies or organisations are completely intransigent,

870
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:09,490
no, we go away, we're not going to

871
00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:12,370
do it, leave us alone, and then because

872
00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:17,070
Donnie is completely and utterly relentless, they end

873
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:17,870
up doing it.

874
00:38:18,430 --> 00:38:22,390
And so, Donnie, what's your prediction on what's

875
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:23,090
going to happen here?

876
00:38:23,610 --> 00:38:28,170
Well, when Adidas finally joins Nike, Puma, New

877
00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:30,650
Balance, and Diodora, and announcing a K-leather

878
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:33,690
-free policy, it will be because of the

879
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:36,490
global campaign organised by the Centre for Humane

880
00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:39,890
Economy and the global attention brought and organisation

881
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:42,030
brought by the Animal Justice Party.

882
00:38:42,490 --> 00:38:43,790
I mean, in New York City, we're just

883
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:46,130
one of many sort of activist groups that

884
00:38:46,130 --> 00:38:48,730
are holding Adidas' feet to the fire.

885
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:51,270
I guess I would say that change, Jane,

886
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:53,270
happens in the discomfort zone.

887
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:57,450
When Adidas is uncomfortable enough, when their lawyers

888
00:38:57,450 --> 00:39:00,370
and PR people and security and HR and

889
00:39:00,370 --> 00:39:02,410
marketing and salespeople have said, you know what,

890
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:04,650
it's just not the incremental dollars that come

891
00:39:04,650 --> 00:39:07,290
in from selling K-leather is not worth

892
00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:08,230
the disruption.

893
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:10,210
That's when they're going to do the right

894
00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:10,550
thing.

895
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:11,950
Sadly, they're not going to do the right

896
00:39:11,950 --> 00:39:15,070
thing, because they know it's sort of ethically

897
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:15,950
the right thing to do.

898
00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:17,790
They're going to do the right thing, because

899
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:20,010
they've reached this tipping point, and it's just

900
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:21,310
not worth it to them anymore.

901
00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:24,730
Well, using the fur analogy, you were very

902
00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:27,590
involved in, we don't even need to say

903
00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:31,750
who, a major, major fur designer, who for

904
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:34,610
years, people were trying to get him to

905
00:39:34,610 --> 00:39:36,690
stop using fur.

906
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,770
And letters and even protests at the stores

907
00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:42,130
didn't do the trick.

908
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,610
But what did do the trick was this

909
00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:49,230
person was being honoured or centre stage at

910
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:52,090
the Metropolitan Museum of Art, which is, for

911
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,350
those who grew up in New York City,

912
00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:55,970
the pinnacle of high society, you know, the

913
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:57,410
Met Gala, the Met Ball.

914
00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:00,410
When you're at the Met, you've arrived.

915
00:40:00,710 --> 00:40:04,550
And the disruption that you guys did at

916
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:08,190
his event at the Metropolitan Museum of Art,

917
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:13,110
where you played sound of fur-bearing animals

918
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:16,430
being skinned alive, and took to the stage,

919
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:21,510
nonviolent, but confrontational in a nonviolent way, that

920
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:25,170
had the people in the audience with their

921
00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:27,150
jaws hanging down on the floor.

922
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:30,830
Well, just about a month after that, guess

923
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:31,650
what happened?

924
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:36,370
That designer agreed to stop using fur.

925
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:37,970
Your thoughts, Donnie?

926
00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:40,650
Like I said, change happens in the discomfort

927
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:41,130
zone.

928
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:44,090
This fashion designer, and we're not naming names,

929
00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:46,590
I guess, was on the stage at the

930
00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:49,430
Met, you know, being interviewed.

931
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,050
It was probably a very important moment for

932
00:40:53,050 --> 00:40:55,590
this fashion designer in his sort of the

933
00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:56,710
history of his brand.

934
00:40:56,930 --> 00:41:01,110
And to have probably 25 activists, sort of

935
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:03,190
out of nowhere, rise out of their seats,

936
00:41:03,790 --> 00:41:06,850
jump onto the stage, disrupt, drop a banner

937
00:41:06,850 --> 00:41:09,590
from the balcony, chant, I mean, it must

938
00:41:09,590 --> 00:41:11,990
have been so humiliating for him, and so

939
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:14,650
upsetting for him to be subjected to that

940
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:17,010
experience, and to have to leave the auditorium,

941
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:20,250
that he just said, it's not worth it.

942
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:22,030
You know, the few extra bucks I make

943
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:25,070
from selling real animal fur doesn't, it's not

944
00:41:25,070 --> 00:41:28,130
worth the potential future protests like this, and

945
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:31,350
compromising his reputation like this.

946
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:34,730
And so, you know, sadly, it shouldn't have

947
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:35,530
to come to that.

948
00:41:35,790 --> 00:41:37,070
But so often it does.

949
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:39,850
So I mean, using that as a template,

950
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:42,110
and again, I agree with you, I wish

951
00:41:42,110 --> 00:41:44,890
that, here's the thing is that people think

952
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:49,330
somehow that the activists enjoy being out there,

953
00:41:49,330 --> 00:41:51,890
you know, and nothing could be further from

954
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:52,410
the truth.

955
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:55,250
I mean, it's, it's embarrassing to have to

956
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:56,370
go do it too.

957
00:41:56,770 --> 00:41:59,590
You know, I mean, you were in mainstream

958
00:41:59,590 --> 00:42:02,770
journalism, Jennifer, I was in mainstream journalism.

959
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:05,310
I never really envisioned myself.

960
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:06,670
Well, I can't say that's true, because I

961
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:07,790
was a protester in high school.

962
00:42:08,070 --> 00:42:11,150
But I didn't envision myself being involved in

963
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:11,550
these things.

964
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:13,550
But then when I think of these poor

965
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:17,270
animals, when I think of these, these innocent

966
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:23,070
beings being killed, and then their babies being

967
00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:25,310
pulled out of their pouches and bludgeoned to

968
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:25,570
death.

969
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:29,530
I also just like Annie Abram can't sleep.

970
00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:31,610
And I say, Yes, I'm gonna go there

971
00:42:31,610 --> 00:42:32,310
and participate.

972
00:42:32,850 --> 00:42:38,050
So Jennifer, um, where, where do we stand

973
00:42:38,050 --> 00:42:40,490
as a culture like, yeah, you know, you

974
00:42:40,490 --> 00:42:43,210
were in mainstream media, why isn't this all

975
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:44,370
over mainstream media?

976
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:46,590
Why is it that, you know, I'm happy

977
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:48,970
that on Shane TV, the world's only vegan

978
00:42:48,970 --> 00:42:52,410
streaming network, and animal rights streaming network is

979
00:42:52,410 --> 00:42:54,310
covering this as well as Donnie Moss is

980
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:54,990
their turn.

981
00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:56,970
But we created those.

982
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:58,870
And I think I can speak for you,

983
00:42:59,110 --> 00:43:03,490
media outlets, because the mainstream media is not

984
00:43:03,490 --> 00:43:05,470
all over the story, which it should be,

985
00:43:05,550 --> 00:43:07,630
because we're in the midst of the sixth

986
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:12,930
mass extinction, we have reduced wildlife biomass globally,

987
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:15,810
to just something like 4% of total

988
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:20,830
mammal biomass, while we've increased livestock biomass to

989
00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:24,050
62% of total mammal biomass.

990
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:26,810
At the rate we're going, we could literally

991
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:29,950
have no wild animals except in zoos within

992
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:31,010
the next decade.

993
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:34,710
And yet, these companies, and that would trigger

994
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:36,110
an ecological collapse.

995
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:39,690
I mean, maybe let's do a round robin

996
00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:40,030
on this.

997
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:46,590
Emma, Minister, why is it that people in

998
00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:49,850
your government, people in the corporate world, is

999
00:43:49,850 --> 00:43:54,190
money so blinding that they can't see that

1000
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:57,610
this is an apocalypse for humans too?

1001
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:59,350
Absolutely.

1002
00:44:00,170 --> 00:44:04,090
And unfortunately, I think, yeah, I think it

1003
00:44:04,090 --> 00:44:07,110
all comes down to money and who's making

1004
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:09,430
donations to political parties.

1005
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:12,350
You know, this goes, you know, beyond our

1006
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:15,610
campaign with kangaroos, you know, the entire animal

1007
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:19,230
agribusiness industry, and the fact that, you know,

1008
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:22,090
it's still legal in Australia to have hens

1009
00:44:22,090 --> 00:44:25,350
in battery cages and pigs in sow stores.

1010
00:44:26,050 --> 00:44:29,410
And there's money power, there's voting power.

1011
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:32,230
And it is very, very difficult, as you

1012
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:34,410
say, to get these issues into the media,

1013
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:37,290
because people are really confronted by this.

1014
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:40,290
They're confronted by these issues when you bring

1015
00:44:40,290 --> 00:44:40,710
them up.

1016
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:44,270
And it makes it very, very difficult to,

1017
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:47,190
you know, we'll find journalists that are on

1018
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:48,950
site that really want to expose this.

1019
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:51,790
But of course, they also have to look

1020
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:54,830
into their advertisers and where they're getting their

1021
00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:58,390
advertising funding from, because that's their main source

1022
00:44:58,390 --> 00:45:01,950
of funding for that particular media source as

1023
00:45:01,950 --> 00:45:02,210
well.

1024
00:45:03,090 --> 00:45:06,130
So there's always all of these complications, because

1025
00:45:06,130 --> 00:45:07,790
when you go out onto the street, when

1026
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:10,310
you go out and actually protest, and as

1027
00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:12,410
you saw in the videos from their term,

1028
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:13,670
when you actually speak to people in the

1029
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:15,510
street, they're absolutely horrified by this.

1030
00:45:16,070 --> 00:45:18,090
And it's really hard to get that information

1031
00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:18,670
out there.

1032
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,730
And also, there's often this real blind trust

1033
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:27,830
from governments, and the fact that the Australian

1034
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:32,290
government is putting out false messages about what

1035
00:45:32,290 --> 00:45:34,610
is actually happening within this industry, that it

1036
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:38,030
is so-called sustainable, or that it is

1037
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:38,630
humane.

1038
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:41,250
And the video footage that we've seen, and

1039
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:43,130
when you show anybody on the street that

1040
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:45,810
video footage, they're absolutely horrified.

1041
00:45:46,530 --> 00:45:49,950
This has got absolutely nothing humane about it.

1042
00:45:50,250 --> 00:45:52,590
And it's certainly not sustainable either.

1043
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:55,230
So how can they claim that it's humane?

1044
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:57,150
How can they make that claim?

1045
00:45:58,650 --> 00:46:00,050
I mean, that's the problem.

1046
00:46:00,570 --> 00:46:02,910
A lot of this industry is very, very

1047
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:03,250
hidden.

1048
00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:05,990
And that's another thing as well, is that

1049
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:08,450
there's very little footage of exactly what happens.

1050
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:11,130
It's often done in the middle of the

1051
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:13,190
night that these animals are being killed.

1052
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:15,650
It's often happening in rural Australia.

1053
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:18,690
There's usually one hunter that goes out with

1054
00:46:18,690 --> 00:46:20,630
his gun and his truck.

1055
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:23,770
So it's very rare that we actually see

1056
00:46:23,770 --> 00:46:25,490
what's actually happening in this industry.

1057
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:28,590
And quite often, we've actually relied on the

1058
00:46:28,590 --> 00:46:32,210
testimony of hunters themselves about what actually occurs

1059
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:35,910
within this industry, and the footage that we

1060
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:36,950
have actually seen.

1061
00:46:37,630 --> 00:46:40,270
One thing that really horrified me was children

1062
00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:43,690
being taken out with these hunters and being

1063
00:46:43,690 --> 00:46:46,470
tasked with bludgeoning joeys to death.

1064
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:49,210
So I mean, this is absolutely horrific.

1065
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:52,530
As I said, it's beyond the kangaroo killing

1066
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:52,930
industry.

1067
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:56,550
This is something we see with animal agribusiness.

1068
00:46:56,650 --> 00:46:58,750
It's something we see with the fur industry,

1069
00:46:59,270 --> 00:47:02,230
where these industries are still surviving, despite the

1070
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:03,830
fact that there is so much cruelty.

1071
00:47:03,830 --> 00:47:06,370
And the general population, when you show them

1072
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:09,470
what's actually happening, are horrified by this.

1073
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:12,650
And Louise, you had a point you wanted

1074
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:13,030
to make.

1075
00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:17,830
Yeah, look, the mainstream media in Australia actually

1076
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:21,150
fully supports the industry and constantly props up

1077
00:47:21,150 --> 00:47:23,870
the myths that the industry and the government

1078
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:24,450
put out.

1079
00:47:24,610 --> 00:47:26,850
And that is that kangaroos are pests.

1080
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:29,050
And of course, they're a native animal that's

1081
00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:31,390
lived in harmony with this environment for 20

1082
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:32,190
million years.

1083
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:35,030
So they get called pests.

1084
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:37,350
And then the other myth is that they're

1085
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:38,350
in plague proportions.

1086
00:47:38,990 --> 00:47:41,650
And we know from even the government's official

1087
00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:44,790
figures that kangaroo numbers are dropping.

1088
00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:48,090
So just the last couple of days, the

1089
00:47:48,090 --> 00:47:50,350
New South Wales government released figures that there's

1090
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:53,150
500,000 less kangaroos in New South Wales

1091
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:54,410
than there was last year.

1092
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:59,370
We have done some anecdotal citizen science projects

1093
00:47:59,370 --> 00:48:02,610
as well, asking people, do you see kangaroos

1094
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:03,370
in your area?

1095
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:06,410
And we have people writing in and saying,

1096
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:08,050
there used to be kangaroos here.

1097
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:11,010
There's no longer kangaroos in our area anymore.

1098
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:13,730
And we know that there's localised extinctions of

1099
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:15,910
kangaroos happening across Australia.

1100
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:18,350
And we know that localised extinction is a

1101
00:48:18,350 --> 00:48:20,750
precursor to actual extinction.

1102
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:24,310
So it's really difficult sometimes in Australia to

1103
00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:28,070
have conversations with the general public about the

1104
00:48:28,070 --> 00:48:31,570
need to protect kangaroos, because this myth about

1105
00:48:31,570 --> 00:48:35,770
plague proportions and overpopulation is so strong, and

1106
00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:39,290
it is perpetuated by the media and by

1107
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:39,810
the government.

1108
00:48:39,830 --> 00:48:41,790
And it is simply not true.

1109
00:48:42,050 --> 00:48:45,450
We have another caller, Joey in Alhambra, your

1110
00:48:45,450 --> 00:48:48,990
question or thought for our panel on ending

1111
00:48:48,990 --> 00:48:51,670
the use of kangaroo leather by Adidas.

1112
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:55,010
Hi, how's it going?

1113
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:58,330
Thank you all so much for the campaign.

1114
00:48:58,510 --> 00:49:01,150
I just had a quick question with regards

1115
00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:03,990
to the public's reaction for those who have

1116
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:07,750
been doing disruptions and outreach to the public.

1117
00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:09,490
What has been their reaction?

1118
00:49:09,590 --> 00:49:12,150
Because me personally, I wasn't even aware that

1119
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:17,710
Adidas was using kangaroo leather until actually quite

1120
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:18,110
recently.

1121
00:49:18,610 --> 00:49:20,310
And it was shocking to me.

1122
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:22,470
So what has been the reaction?

1123
00:49:22,690 --> 00:49:23,170
Thank you.

1124
00:49:23,770 --> 00:49:24,330
Donny?

1125
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:25,590
Sure.

1126
00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:27,530
First of all, by virtue of the fact

1127
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:29,710
that you've recently become aware, I hope that

1128
00:49:29,710 --> 00:49:31,250
means that all of us are doing our

1129
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:33,710
jobs in educating the public about what happens.

1130
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:36,970
And hopefully that means Adidas is becoming aware

1131
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:40,270
of the public learning its dirty secret and

1132
00:49:40,270 --> 00:49:42,750
is taking that into account.

1133
00:49:43,090 --> 00:49:44,710
I would say by and large, when we're

1134
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:46,910
inside the stores or outside the stores talking

1135
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:50,370
to pedestrians, people are shocked to learn that

1136
00:49:50,370 --> 00:49:55,130
Adidas uses kangaroo skin and are appalled and

1137
00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:57,690
are grateful that we are out there doing

1138
00:49:57,690 --> 00:49:58,250
the work.

1139
00:49:58,690 --> 00:50:01,290
Every so often we'll encounter, because New York

1140
00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:02,870
City is like a tourist capital of the

1141
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:04,910
world, we do encounter Australian tourists.

1142
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:09,910
And some of them are aware of the

1143
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:13,010
kangaroo killing and are appalled that this species

1144
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:16,210
that's used to promote tourism in Australia is

1145
00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:17,730
killed in the dark of night with the

1146
00:50:17,730 --> 00:50:18,550
government's support.

1147
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:20,710
You do have a few people though who

1148
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:22,530
have stopped to speak to us to say,

1149
00:50:22,830 --> 00:50:24,830
to sort of repeat sort of the industry

1150
00:50:24,830 --> 00:50:29,350
and the government rhetoric about how these animals

1151
00:50:29,350 --> 00:50:31,530
are overpopulated and that they're pests.

1152
00:50:32,310 --> 00:50:35,470
I'll say this, look, all of these other

1153
00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:38,030
animals, including kangaroos who are native to Australia,

1154
00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:40,250
they're here on this planet with us.

1155
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:41,650
They're not here for us.

1156
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:43,990
If we as a human species want to

1157
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:46,450
continue to reproduce, then we need to figure

1158
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:49,190
out how to live in harmony with other

1159
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:51,310
species who have every bit as much a

1160
00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:53,830
right to live in peace as we do.

1161
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:56,470
Well said.

1162
00:50:57,010 --> 00:51:00,390
I mean, the sad fact is that we

1163
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:05,250
regard any, any, any animal who in any

1164
00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:08,670
way, shape or form just causes any kind

1165
00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:11,210
of what we consider an inconvenience to be

1166
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:11,830
a pest.

1167
00:51:12,550 --> 00:51:14,230
And in a lot of cases we're using

1168
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:18,610
toxic chemicals to kill them.

1169
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:20,390
And then it goes up the food chain

1170
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:23,470
and it's not just the rats who also

1171
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:25,070
have a right to live and who are

1172
00:51:25,070 --> 00:51:26,830
a part of the ecosystem, but then it's

1173
00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:29,450
the birds who eat the rats and die.

1174
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:31,010
And then it's the other animals.

1175
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:32,790
So the poison goes all the way up

1176
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:35,490
the food chain, right here where I live

1177
00:51:35,490 --> 00:51:38,210
in Venice area of California.

1178
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:41,570
I see the black boxes and I complain

1179
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:44,150
against them, but you know, we're so short

1180
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:44,910
sighted.

1181
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:47,870
It's just so much about our own convenience

1182
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:50,570
and, oh, there are people who hate squirrels.

1183
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:52,470
There are people who get angry if you

1184
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:55,170
feed the seagulls or the pigeons a couple

1185
00:51:55,170 --> 00:51:55,650
of nuts.

1186
00:51:56,110 --> 00:52:00,070
I mean, our speciesist attitude is going to

1187
00:52:00,070 --> 00:52:00,750
kill us.

1188
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:02,630
It really is going to kill us.

1189
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:05,890
Do you see any evolution, Emma, in the

1190
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:08,390
way people are approaching this issue?

1191
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:14,270
Because obviously kangaroos and koala bears are the

1192
00:52:14,270 --> 00:52:16,910
image that people have when they think of

1193
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:17,770
Australia.

1194
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:20,230
They think kangaroos and koalas.

1195
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:21,810
They're not going there to see people.

1196
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:23,370
They're going there to see the wildlife.

1197
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:25,790
If you kill all the wildlife, you've killed

1198
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:30,150
the most attractive part of your country.

1199
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:31,590
Absolutely.

1200
00:52:32,350 --> 00:52:34,010
And as I say, you know, the Australian

1201
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:37,030
people are mortified when they hear what's actually

1202
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:38,570
happening in this industry.

1203
00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:40,650
And look, we are getting there.

1204
00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:43,750
The fact that so many companies have already

1205
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:46,210
pulled out from using kangaroo skin, the fact

1206
00:52:46,210 --> 00:52:48,630
that there is a bill up in the

1207
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:52,450
US to ban the importation, the fact that

1208
00:52:52,450 --> 00:52:54,670
California already has a ban, the fact that

1209
00:52:54,670 --> 00:52:57,550
New York is now looking at banning the

1210
00:52:57,550 --> 00:53:00,330
importation and sale of kangaroo body parts.

1211
00:53:00,590 --> 00:53:02,490
It proves that we're getting there.

1212
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:05,370
It proves that message is out there.

1213
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:07,530
And as you said, you know, Donnie Moss

1214
00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:08,650
is absolutely relentless.

1215
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:11,950
And I think everyone involved in this campaign

1216
00:53:11,950 --> 00:53:12,910
is absolutely relentless.

1217
00:53:13,290 --> 00:53:14,430
You know, we're not going to go anywhere

1218
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:15,550
until we win this.

1219
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:19,250
We're not going to allow these animals to

1220
00:53:19,250 --> 00:53:22,230
be continually bludgeoned and murdered.

1221
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:24,850
We're going to keep fighting on this and

1222
00:53:24,850 --> 00:53:27,190
we're going to make sure that this industry

1223
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:28,150
no longer exists.

1224
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:29,410
Wow.

1225
00:53:29,570 --> 00:53:32,970
Well, I think it's a, I hate to

1226
00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:34,810
say it, but it's almost like a mathematical

1227
00:53:34,810 --> 00:53:35,610
formula.

1228
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:39,470
When it becomes more expensive to the company

1229
00:53:40,070 --> 00:53:45,470
to have the offensive product, then it's just,

1230
00:53:45,610 --> 00:53:47,630
okay, this is costing us too much money.

1231
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:50,090
I mean, it's sad, but that is really

1232
00:53:50,090 --> 00:53:51,070
what it boils down to.

1233
00:53:51,110 --> 00:53:51,890
What do you think, Jennifer?

1234
00:53:52,690 --> 00:53:54,610
Well, we're calling them out.

1235
00:53:54,850 --> 00:53:55,150
Okay.

1236
00:53:55,470 --> 00:53:58,850
They're telling their board members, they're telling all

1237
00:53:58,850 --> 00:54:03,170
of their supporters, they are telling everyone who

1238
00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:06,390
buys an Adidas product that what they do

1239
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:08,010
is sustainable and humane.

1240
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:09,250
They are lying.

1241
00:54:09,810 --> 00:54:12,750
This campaign is extremely strategic.

1242
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:17,070
It's not just all about protest.

1243
00:54:17,730 --> 00:54:25,530
And so we have, I'm asking everybody here

1244
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:29,490
because they're obviously very in tune and interested

1245
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:30,390
in participating.

1246
00:54:31,610 --> 00:54:35,330
Go online and tag Adidas, tag them, let

1247
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:36,230
them know how you feel.

1248
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:38,310
But more importantly, we do have the Kangaroo

1249
00:54:38,310 --> 00:54:41,270
Protection Act in Congress right now.

1250
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:44,650
Call, just pick up the phone and call

1251
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:46,270
your representatives from your state.

1252
00:54:46,410 --> 00:54:48,650
Tell them who you are and say, please

1253
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:51,430
co-sponsor the Kangaroo Protection Act.

1254
00:54:51,610 --> 00:54:53,330
We're doing a lot of things behind the

1255
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:54,550
scenes we can't talk about.

1256
00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:56,890
I had some really exciting news about something

1257
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:57,550
last night.

1258
00:54:57,770 --> 00:55:01,550
Can't share it here, unfortunately, but we're going

1259
00:55:01,550 --> 00:55:02,130
to win this.

1260
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:06,710
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org or .com?

1261
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:09,050
.org.

1262
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:10,170
Okay.

1263
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:14,450
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

1264
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:18,370
This is what we need to visit.

1265
00:55:20,170 --> 00:55:21,810
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

1266
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:23,970
Visit it, get involved.

1267
00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:27,410
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.

1268
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:30,070
I want to thank everybody for being a

1269
00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:31,030
part of this conversation.

1270
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:34,450
Thank you, Annie Abram and Michael Fujimori for

1271
00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:37,670
suggesting this interview.

1272
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:39,610
It's been absolutely fascinating.

1273
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:42,970
I will be there January 16th with whatever

1274
00:55:42,970 --> 00:55:44,950
you decide to do.

1275
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:48,590
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1276
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1277
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1281
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1282
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1283
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1285
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