UnchainedTV: How Vegans Won at Oxford!

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What an exciting show we have for you.

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The famed Oxford Union, a 201-year-old

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debating organisation connected with prestigious Oxford University in

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England, recently voted for veganism.

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That's right, people, they had a debate with

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four people opposing veganism, four people in favour

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of veganism, and we're going to talk to

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one of the winning team members, Dr. Silas

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Rao.

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Now, it looks very, very posh and very

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civilised, but this debate got down and dirty.

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It got really ugly, actually.

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A high point, Dr. Silas Rao, the gentleman

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you are going to hear from today, just

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take a look at his outfit, and that's

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not just style.

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There's a tremendous significance to what he was

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wearing when he tackled this extraordinary, extraordinary stage.

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Mind you, the likes of Albert Einstein have

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debated at the Oxford Union.

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Ronald Reagan, Queen Elizabeth II, we understand that

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Richard Nixon finally admitted he made a big

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boo-boo with Watergate at the Oxford Union.

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This is no just debate.

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This is the debate of all debates, and

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the vegans won.

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We are going to hear from Dr. Silas

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Rao in one second, but first, why don't

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we start by listening to Dr. Rao at

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the Oxford Union debate.

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We want to thank Plant Based News for

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providing this video to us so we can

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bring it to you on Unchained TV.

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It is undeniable that human civilisation has adversely

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impacted life support systems on the planet.

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Scientists have identified nine planetary boundaries that we

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must stay within for the sustainability of life

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on Earth.

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At the moment, we have transgressed six of

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them, and any one of these transgressions is

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enough to kill life as we know it

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on this planet.

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The good news is that when we go

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vegan, we help resolve all six of them.

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That's the power we have as individuals to

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reverse our existential crisis.

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Animal agriculture is the leading cause of ecological

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destruction because it uses 37% of the

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ice-free land area of the planet just

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to graze animals, while bottom trawling an area

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of the ocean floor the size of South

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America every year.

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Wow, I just want to say absolutely brilliant

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arguments, and I do also want to say

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that the other side engaged in what I

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would call really lame and even just low.

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For a classy institution, it was a very

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low-class argument on the other side.

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Dr. Rao, tell us all about this experience.

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No, it was actually amazing.

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The fact that they were going low, they

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were basically appealing to fear.

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They were appealing to, do you really want

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to change, that sort of emotion.

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On the one side, we were dealing with

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facts and science, and the anti-vegan side

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was dealing with emotions and culture.

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Of course, the students saw through it, so

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they voted for us.

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To me, it was an amazing experience.

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The history of it, we spent a couple

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hours before the debate just having dinner, getting

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photographs, and then going through the facility, looking

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at the pictures of Albert Einstein and Mother

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Teresa and all the people who were there

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before us.

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They have all these pictures there.

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It's, you can see the history.

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It's old buildings and very well done, actually.

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The library is beautiful.

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What was the significance of your outfit?

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The significance of my outfit was they wanted

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it all to be a black tie dinner.

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It's a black tie.

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Everyone has to come in black tie.

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I said, I would like to wear my

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traditional Indian dress.

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Is that okay?

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They said, okay, that's fine.

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I wanted to wear my traditional Indian dress

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to show that this is actually a worldwide

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movement, and we are now all of us

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coming together from around the world to say,

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let's fix this together.

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Our team, if you look at the team

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who spoke for the proposition, the vegan side,

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I was from India.

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Disha Hegde is originally from India, but she

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grew up in the UK.

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She was born in the UK.

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Joey Carbstrong is from Australia, I think.

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I'm not so sure, but he's from Australia

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or something.

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And Dr. Chidi Nwagwa is from Nigeria, originally.

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So we were all from all over the

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world, but the other side was mostly just

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the UK.

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The idea behind the dress was, I mean,

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I actually had promised my colleagues that I

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had gone to Indian Institute of Technology before

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that in Madras, and they'd given me the

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shawl as a present.

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And I promised them that I'd wear it

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during my debate.

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I want to go straight to what I

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would consider, and we've got callers lined up.

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So thank you for your patience, callers.

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We'll get to you in a second.

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But we've got to establish what the issue

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is we're talking about here.

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Again, we're talking about a debate at perhaps

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the most prestigious debate club in the world,

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the Oxford Union, 6,000 members.

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This is 201 years old, and it was

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originally established because there was a perceived suppression

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of debate and challenging authority at Oxford University.

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So they created this debate club to give

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themselves the power to speak.

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And so the idea that veganism, to go

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vegan or not go vegan, would be debated

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at this incredible forum is a victory in

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itself.

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But I was truly shocked by the arguments

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of the opposition and embarrassed for them.

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Let me play one particularly disturbing, if I

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have to say, argument or debate.

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There's a moment where Joey Carbstrong, who is

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for veganism, he's a big vegan influencer, speaks.

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And then Katie Hopkins comes on.

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And, well, you're just going to have to

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see it for yourself.

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It's more like a perpetual genocide, because in

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this case, the victims cannot fight back.

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They are truly gentle, fragile, and helpless beings,

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and humans capitalise in every twisted, conceivable way

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off of their helplessness.

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And their only crime is being born into

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the wrong species.

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It's for these reasons that I truly believe,

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and I hope you do too, that the

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house and the world should go vegan.

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Thank you.

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It's the Holocaust.

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You eat a cow.

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It's the Holocaust.

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You murderers.

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He has spent his life going around abattoirs,

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watching animals die.

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And that's what vegan people call a hobby.

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Do you remember with or from COVID?

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They died with or from?

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Linda McCartney.

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She died with or from being a vegan.

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Death is what happens to you when you're

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a vegan.

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And they lie.

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They lie.

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They lie straight to your faces because they

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have a certain dress style, or they have

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a certain doctorate, or they have about one

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follower on Instagram.

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They lie to you.

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Nothing that they tell you is true.

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They even lie to themselves.

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The Bible says lying is one of the

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seven deadly sins.

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The Bible says if you lie, it is

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because you hate yourself.

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And that is true of every single vegan

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I know.

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They hate themselves so much, they will only

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suck on quinoa for sustenance.

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And my question to people who say that

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being vegan isn't an end point.

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It's a journey, like they're on the bloody

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X Factor.

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You know where they want that journey to

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end up, don't you good people?

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They want you sat in the dark, sucking

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on the ass end of a locust.

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They may sell you the journey like it's

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an attractive thing, but the end point of

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your journey is not attractive.

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Point of information, who asked?

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Yes, sir.

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I am a slave to desire, darling.

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What do you have to offer?

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Or is that too meaty for you?

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I so support vegans.

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I love you.

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I want you to join together with your

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miserable little friends who are all short.

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And I want you.

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I want you to be happy together, sucking

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on your locusts.

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I want you to be happy.

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But allow me, sir, the same tolerance and

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respect by allowing me to sit nuzzling, eating

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a whole cow from head to tail as

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I do on a daily basis.

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I think she has done more to promote

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veganism than any person I have ever met.

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And of course, she lost.

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Vegans win the Oxford Union debate.

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And some of the comments, my gosh, is

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she's auditioning for the Globe?

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That's a funny one.

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Oh, my God.

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How can that crazy woman be allowed to

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even speak?

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How embarrassing.

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Is she insane?

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You know, is she doing King Lear?

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What was your reaction?

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Before we go to the callers, what was

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your reaction to this woman who is apparently

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a very well-known TV pundit in Britain?

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Right.

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No, my reaction was, my God, you don't

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have anything.

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You don't have anything real.

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You're basically appealing to fear and emotions, right?

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So after the debate, when she lost, she

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actually apologised to me.

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She said, sorry if I hurt you.

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And I realised, I mean, she was basically

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putting on an act.

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So and she was appealing to the basic

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instincts of people.

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I looked at the girl in the corner.

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The girl in the corner of Katie Hopkins'

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video, she represents us.

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So you can see her reactions to everything

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she's doing.

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So, I mean, when she was saying it,

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she was attacking all of us.

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So to me, it was, you know, this

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is the way it is.

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Fine.

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I cannot react.

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And I was just letting it go.

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But after she lost, she was down.

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I mean, she was crestfallen.

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You know, she was like, oh, my God.

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She had promised her audience that she's going

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to win.

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Oh, wow.

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Well, you're a better person than I am,

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because if I had seen her after the

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debate, I would have given her a piece

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of my mind.

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You know, this is not a joke.

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Animals being tortured to death and dying is

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not a joke.

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Wow.

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Shame on you.

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Let me say it.

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All right.

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We got callers.

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Paige in Los Angeles.

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Your question or thought for Dr. Rao.

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Yes, I have been a devoted disciple of

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Dr. Rao since 2018.

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And I mean that in the loveliest sense.

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And we're both working for our children and

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your grandchild.

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They're our bosses.

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With your pinky promise to your granddaughter and

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my promise to my daughter to do everything

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possible.

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Does this woman have children?

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Does she realise that there are future generations

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that we what we've done to the planet

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is what is causing the climate crisis and

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the dissolving of the planet?

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Does she realise that?

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This is my question.

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And Dr. Rao, how do you stay motivated

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and keep going?

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And what do you feel are your intended

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results from this debate?

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, for me, the debate was a turning

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point.

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The debate was like a mainstream affirmation of

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what we have been saying.

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So this is the students from Oxford.

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And they actually came to me after the

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debate.

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And they told me that the speeches from

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the proposition side gave them a lot of

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hope that there is a future on this

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planet for them.

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Because a lot of young people are feeling

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depressed that they don't really belong, that we

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are all going to die off.

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I mean, these are the stories we've been

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telling them.

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And I really think that we as adults

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have a responsibility to start telling positive stories

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to our children, that they shouldn't feel this.

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I really, when Glenn Mercer said that there

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are six macronutrients, and he added the sixth

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macronutrient as optimism.

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I think he's right.

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Without that positivity, we don't want to live.

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I mean, you have to have that positivity.

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So this is why optimism is the sixth

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macronutrient.

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And so we have to give that to

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our children.

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You know, no one told me horror stories

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when I was going to college.

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No one told me horror stories when I

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was in school, saying you're all going to

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die off.

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But that's what our kids are being subjected

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to right now.

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You know, the younger generation going through university

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or schools, because it's all climate, climate, climate,

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you know, and oh, my God, we're going

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to die.

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And they don't do anything about it.

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So they're all sitting around saying, you know,

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what can we do?

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What is anyone doing about this?

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And here we come along and say, actually,

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you can solve this problem.

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By just going vegan, you force them to

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solve this problem.

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And that, I think, was a very positive

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message that we gave them.

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And they took it.

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All right.

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Well, let me get to the next caller.

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We've got Nilo Farr from Dallas, Texas, on

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the phone.

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Your question for Dr. Silas Rao, founder of

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Climate Healers, and the winner, along with his

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incredible team, of the Oxford Union debate.

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Hi, Dr. Rao.

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How were you and your team able to

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convince the Oxford Union to support the motion

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this house would go vegan?

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Was it ethics, health, or sustainability?

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And, you know, we saw the short clip

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where one of your team members gave a

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very powerful ethical argument.

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And, you know, obviously, you're the leader in

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the sustainability global health project.

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What do you think made you win the

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house for vegan?

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I really think it was all of them.

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You know, because there were three.

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I made the environmental case.

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And then Dr. Chidi made the health case.

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And Joey Carbstrong made the ethical case.

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And I think all three of us, we

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put our case forward.

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You know, it was basically facts and telling

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them this is what is really going on.

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And they could sense that the other side

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was just saying it's inconvenient for us.

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It's going to have major changes in your

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life if you do this.

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And we're going to take away your cream

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for your coffee if you vote for this.

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It was all that kind of tactic, right?

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And the students and the Oxford Union basically

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said, that's OK.

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We want to make this change happen.

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Well, guess what?

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You can still have cream in your coffee.

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You can have soy milk.

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You can have rice milk.

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You can have almond milk.

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You can have hemp milk.

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You can have, you know, oat milk.

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I mean, there's a gazillion.

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I had coffee this morning.

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I'm not there with you, Dr. Rao, who

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drinks only water yet.

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I had coffee this morning with soy milk.

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And look, here I am.

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No sacrifice.

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I want to play some of those arguments

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in a second.

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Let's get to our third caller, and then

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we'll play some arguments.

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Annie in Sherman Oaks, your question or thought

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for Dr. Rao?

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Hi, yes.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Thank you so much for having me, Dane.

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And Dr. Rao, love and adore you.

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Everybody should join climatehealers.org.

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Incredible, incredible life, world changer.

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Dr. Rao, how did you manage not to

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laugh or address?

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I would have told her, yes, drama you're

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doing to this.

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You know, she acted like a loony, but

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also a big drama queen.

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The sins and everything, the suckling and all

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that.

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It really applies to us humans suckling a

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cow's milk.

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How did you contain yourself?

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What about the sins she's talking about?

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The rapes, the murders, the tortures of the

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animals.

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These are, oh, if you're so religious woman,

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why don't you address those?

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You guys did an amazing job.

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You, you know, Dr. Chitty and Joey Carstrong.

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Love you all, and thank you for what

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you've done.

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All right, Dr. Rao, and then we're going

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to play another clip.

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Yeah, I saw that whatever they were saying

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is really about themselves.

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It's not about us.

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It was an argument they're having about themselves.

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Like when she says they lie, actually, she

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was lying.

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And she said that.

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And she said that lying is one of

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the seven deadly sins.

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Actually, it is not.

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That's a lie.

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You're right.

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You are right.

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Lying is not one of the seven deadly

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sins.

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What is it?

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Gluttony, lust.

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I mean, there's a bunch of them, but

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it doesn't include lying.

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She was wrong about that.

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Yeah, it's pride, envy, gluttony, sloth, lust, anger,

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and greed.

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So those are the seven deadly sins.

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And she said she eats a cow from

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head to tail every day.

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Come on, that's a lie.

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You can't do that.

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There's so many things that she was doing

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that was obviously...

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She was talking about herself, but trying to

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project it on others.

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Well, yeah, and that's exactly what people who

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are pathological liars, and I'm not saying she

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is, but pathological liars do that.

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Whatever they're doing, they push it on somebody

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else, and they accuse somebody else of doing

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it.

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And it's smoke and mirrors.

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It's to take away the attention from their

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own lives.

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Psychologists will tell you that.

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All right, let's hear some of the positive

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pro-vegan comments.

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I want to start with, well, they were

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all strong in different ways, but Joey Armstrong,

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which he's a very, very well-known social

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media influencer who speaks passionately and eloquently about

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veganism.

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Here's what he had to say.

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Millions of animals massacred, and for what?

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A burger, a ham sandwich, a chicken wing?

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I bet you probably couldn't remember what you

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ate for lunch last week.

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That's how little it meant to you.

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But for the animals, it was all they

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had.

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Now, these numbers are unfathomable.

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We're talking between one and three trillion land

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and marine animals every year.

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But even if you were to believe that

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a human life is worth a thousand animal

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lives, a million animal lives, when we crunch

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the numbers, we surely should have reached the

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threshold to which you would consider our treatment

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of animals up there with the worst of

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moral crimes.

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If you don't, I'm sure the animals would

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see it that way.

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You see, it's easy to look at an

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issue from our perspective and say it just

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doesn't matter.

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But as famous animal rights lecturer Gary Yourofsky

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once said, when you're the victim, things look

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a lot differently from that angle.

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If an atrocity like this were taking place

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to humans on such a scale, it would

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be the new holocaust on steroids.

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But the animal holocaust isn't new.

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The systematic domination, enslavement and mass killing of

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animals has taken place at least since the

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dawn of agriculture.

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And we've become more efficient at confining and

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terrorising animals with the rise of factory farming

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in the 1920s.

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Animals were the first to be enslaved, the

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first to be systematically slaughtered and the only

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victims to ever be served in a modern

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university cafeteria with no one batting an eye.

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For as long as non-human animals have

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been oppressed, they still are to this day,

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persecuted, treated like nothing, their charred bodies chewed

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up, digested and flushed down the toilet.

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The utter disregard and contempt for these sentient

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beings is unmatched.

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But why are their lives disregarded?

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Well, just like racism or any other form

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of discrimination, it all starts in the mind

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first.

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Speciesism, you might have heard this term before.

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Similar to racism, it's essentially discrimination based on

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species alone.

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Dr. Rao, there's 6,000 students who are

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members of the Oxford Union.

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These are the creme de la creme, the

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vegan creme de la creme maybe now.

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What was their reaction to the arguments?

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Because that is one good speech that Joey

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Carbstrong gave.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, people were spellbound actually with our

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speeches, you know, and Joey Carbstrong really held

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them.

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He was telling them relentlessly what is going

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on to the animals and why we should

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consider that as an atrocity, probably the greatest

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atrocity ever.

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But when we overcome this atrocity, we look

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00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:41,820
back on this and say, that was the

548
00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:44,620
moment when we saw through it.

549
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:47,400
We saw through what was going on and

550
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,980
we stepped through this.

551
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,640
Hole for the side of justice.

552
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,700
OK, well, I think this is this is

553
00:22:58,700 --> 00:23:00,560
a dramatic debate.

554
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,880
It was a dramatic debate.

555
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,140
I felt like, you know, it's worth it.

556
00:23:06,780 --> 00:23:08,680
All the preparation we did for a month

557
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:09,780
and a half, I was working on the

558
00:23:09,780 --> 00:23:10,140
speech.

559
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,980
And Kimaya came there and my wife came

560
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:17,180
there and Kimaya's parents came there.

561
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,140
Because I realised that this was a very

562
00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:25,940
pivotal moment in our road to 2026, Vegan

563
00:23:25,940 --> 00:23:26,900
World 2026.

564
00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:29,580
And by the way, if you want to

565
00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:31,960
know more about Vegan World 2026, you can

566
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,240
watch on Unchained TV, the world's only vegan

567
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,180
streaming network, which is free for you to

568
00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:39,620
download right on your phone.

569
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,840
There it is.

570
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,780
You can also get it on your Samsung

571
00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:44,420
TV, which is behind me.

572
00:23:44,420 --> 00:23:46,300
You can also get it if you have

573
00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:48,560
an Amazon Fire Stick, an Apple device or

574
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:49,880
Roku device, or you can just go to

575
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,980
UnchainedTV.com and go right into the portal.

576
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,480
But we have Countdown to Year Zero, a

577
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,300
documentary that I did about Dr. Silas Rao

578
00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,560
that explains why we have to switch to

579
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,820
a vegan culture globally by 2026, or we

580
00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:06,700
are going to literally pass the point of

581
00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:09,840
no return in terms of the climate apocalypse

582
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,120
that is fast approaching.

583
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,220
So really, the clock is ticking.

584
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:16,720
All right, one more caller.

585
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:19,200
We've got Michael in Los Angeles.

586
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:21,280
Your question or thought for Dr. Silas Rao.

587
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:23,520
Yes, hi.

588
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,740
This is such a great way to get

589
00:24:25,740 --> 00:24:27,860
the vegan message across to the younger generation.

590
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,620
And my question was, are there any plans

591
00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:32,840
to take your team on the road to

592
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,880
maybe other colleges or universities?

593
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:35,640
Thank you.

594
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:38,660
Oh, we would love to do that.

595
00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:40,780
We would love to do that.

596
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,800
We're in discussions with the students at UCLA.

597
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,080
We're asking, you know, at least there should

598
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,540
be at least one major U.S. university

599
00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:53,760
where a similar debate needs to happen, in

600
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,160
my opinion.

601
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,040
And likewise, you know, in every country, there

602
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,200
should be at least one premier institution in

603
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,300
that country that examines this seriously so that

604
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:06,400
the people in that country can say, OK,

605
00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:07,680
now we have to move.

606
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,940
I can tell you that the vegan movement

607
00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:12,480
in the U.K. is humming.

608
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,800
I mean, it's buzzing.

609
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,320
It's really going very, very fast.

610
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,500
So when I go to the U.K.,

611
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:24,520
I feel like a vegan world by 2026

612
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,260
is possible.

613
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:27,320
It is absolutely going to happen.

614
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,180
Well, I want to say, just talking about

615
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,820
universities, we just posted on Unchained TV a

616
00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:38,120
video about the UCLA VegFest, UCLA held its

617
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,680
very first VegFest just the other day.

618
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:43,480
We had a booth there, Unchained TV did,

619
00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:44,800
and we also did a whole story.

620
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,320
And they want to take the VegFest to

621
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,420
every university and even high schools around the

622
00:25:49,420 --> 00:25:49,920
United States.

623
00:25:50,180 --> 00:25:51,940
So you should get together.

624
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,720
I'm going to connect you with some of

625
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,120
those student organisations like Lives Without Knives and

626
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,520
Animal Welfare Alliance of UCLA, because you're right,

627
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,100
UCLA would be a perfect place to have

628
00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:04,080
the next debate.

629
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:06,000
I don't know if everybody's going to show

630
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:06,960
up in black tie.

631
00:26:07,780 --> 00:26:10,900
And hopefully Katie Hopkins will not be part

632
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:12,980
of the entourage.

633
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,300
But I mean, that would be absolute.

634
00:26:15,460 --> 00:26:17,000
Would you be interested in doing that, Dr.

635
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:17,220
Rao?

636
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:18,080
Absolutely.

637
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:20,040
We would love to have a debate where

638
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,980
I want to hear the argument, serious arguments

639
00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:23,640
from the other side.

640
00:26:23,740 --> 00:26:25,020
Are there any serious arguments?

641
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Yes or no?

642
00:26:26,700 --> 00:26:28,460
If you don't have any serious arguments, then

643
00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:29,300
what are we debating?

644
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,880
You know, we should all be doing it,

645
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:32,120
right?

646
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,020
We should all be going vegan.

647
00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:36,060
So we need to establish that, yeah.

648
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,400
I'm going to connect you as soon as

649
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,940
we get off this Zoom with some of

650
00:26:39,940 --> 00:26:40,720
those organisations.

651
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,040
They pulled off an amazing, amazing VegFest at

652
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,400
UCLA.

653
00:26:46,820 --> 00:26:49,240
And their motto is, take it everywhere.

654
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,920
So this could be part of that.

655
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:52,960
All right, we've got another caller.

656
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,120
Wow, we got two more.

657
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,400
Liz in San Diego.

658
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:58,860
Hey there, Jane.

659
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Hi, Dr. Rao.

660
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:04,080
I just want to acknowledge Dr. Rao's incredible

661
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,560
ability at manifestation.

662
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,860
I've been Zooming into the Million Vegan Grandmothers

663
00:27:09,860 --> 00:27:11,940
meeting since last summer.

664
00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:15,640
And I remember conversations about this debate concept,

665
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,300
kicking around ideas, where to do it, how

666
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:18,760
to do it.

667
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,900
And look at the home run that was

668
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:22,660
scored.

669
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,680
Debating in the ultimate debate house of all

670
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,800
time, winning the debate.

671
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,600
I knew he was going to do it.

672
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,360
Congratulations.

673
00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:36,160
I just want to acknowledge Dr. Rao's incredible

674
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,160
manifestation ability from taking an idea and a

675
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600
concept to reality and then hitting a home

676
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:42,920
run.

677
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,580
So love you guys.

678
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:46,640
Looking forward to connecting again soon.

679
00:27:46,820 --> 00:27:48,000
Thank you for what you do.

680
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:48,820
Wow.

681
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:49,620
Love you, Liz.

682
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Love you, Liz.

683
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,860
I actually want to say that she, Liz,

684
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,780
was the one who said, go debate at

685
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:56,300
universities.

686
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,040
Whoa.

687
00:27:58,530 --> 00:27:58,740
Yeah.

688
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,440
We were trying to get Al Gore to

689
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,660
debate us, or Bill McKibben to debate us.

690
00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:06,340
And they were all saying they didn't want

691
00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:06,760
to do it.

692
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,120
And then Liz was the one who said,

693
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,340
go debate at universities.

694
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:13,480
And then we got the Oxford University opportunity.

695
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:14,620
Wow.

696
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,760
We've got Sam in Pasadena.

697
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,860
Your question or thought for Dr. Silas Rao.

698
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:19,320
Sam.

699
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,980
Hello.

700
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,420
Hi.

701
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:21,960
Hi, Jane.

702
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:23,020
Hi, Dr. Rao.

703
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:26,260
Thank you so much for delivering such a

704
00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:29,400
powerful and awesome speech at the Oxford University.

705
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Thank you for this awesome win.

706
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:33,700
I have a question for you.

707
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:36,660
Do you have any advice for people looking

708
00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:42,480
to improve their debate skills, especially when talking

709
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,380
about veganism?

710
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Thank you.

711
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,300
Oh, speaking from the heart, telling your story.

712
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,240
And these are the things that make you

713
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,980
authentic as a debater.

714
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,540
And when you're authentic, it shows.

715
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,520
And people feel it.

716
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,500
They know it.

717
00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:03,700
They know that you're speaking from the heart.

718
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:07,740
And so really, it's about connection with the

719
00:29:07,740 --> 00:29:09,620
people, the audience.

720
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,620
And then they'll come along.

721
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,160
So that's what I would say.

722
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,840
Tell your story.

723
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speak from the heart.

724
00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:19,740
And in my case, I had to stay

725
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:20,820
within a 10-minute limit.

726
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,940
So I wrote it all down.

727
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,440
And I didn't want to miss anything.

728
00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:25,000
So I was reading a speech.

729
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,580
Normally, I speak extempore.

730
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,940
I don't write things down.

731
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,680
But then I may miss something.

732
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:33,100
So I wanted to make sure that this

733
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:34,340
time I got everything done.

734
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,860
You did a great job.

735
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:39,180
And again, I know it might sound superficial,

736
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,920
but I just loved your outfit.

737
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:44,980
I mean, I really do think because we

738
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:46,200
can talk about this on the other side.

739
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,020
We have to take a brief break.

740
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,540
But we're going to stay live right here.

741
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,260
So don't go anywhere.

742
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:53,480
But this is all part of the meat

743
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,820
and dairy industry is also commerce colonialism.

744
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,880
There's a whole argument to be made.

745
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,540
So by you wearing your traditional Indian garb,

746
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,560
you're making a statement there, too.

747
00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:04,120
All right, we're going to take a very

748
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,720
short break on Voice America Radio.

749
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,560
But we're going to stay live on Unchained

750
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,160
TV, the streaming network, as well as all

751
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,440
of our socials.

752
00:30:12,460 --> 00:30:13,380
So stay right there.

753
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:17,880
I always take this opportunity to remind people

754
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,910
to please download.

755
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:24,080
You could actually be texting this video live

756
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,500
out to your friends right now if you

757
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,600
had downloaded the Unchained TV app.

758
00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:31,900
So basically, you just go to your app

759
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:32,280
store.

760
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,260
You know what an app store is on

761
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:37,400
either one of your devices, either Android or

762
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,020
iPhone.

763
00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:41,100
And you just put in Unchained TV one

764
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:41,460
word.

765
00:30:41,820 --> 00:30:42,520
It's free.

766
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,480
OK, people always go, what's your angle?

767
00:30:44,660 --> 00:30:45,700
We have no angle.

768
00:30:45,740 --> 00:30:46,520
I don't take a salary.

769
00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:49,460
My sole goal is to burst through the

770
00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:52,480
vegan echo chamber and get to mainstream audiences.

771
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,440
And we need help if we're going to

772
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,900
do that.

773
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,120
And we are doing it.

774
00:30:57,220 --> 00:31:00,460
We've gotten global publicity just this week, more

775
00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:02,940
than 1,000 articles written about Unchained TV.

776
00:31:03,140 --> 00:31:04,300
That's a story for another day.

777
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,040
But we're getting global media attention.

778
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,260
But you just basically can take any video.

779
00:31:10,540 --> 00:31:12,320
And you can literally hit text.

780
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,660
You hit share.

781
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:14,940
And you text it to anybody.

782
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,740
You can text it to anybody you know.

783
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:19,740
So instead of having all these arguments with

784
00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:21,660
people and wasting all your time and energy,

785
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,480
you can actually just text people the information

786
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,420
you want to give them.

787
00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:30,300
If they say they can't give up cheese,

788
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,980
there's a bunch of documentaries about dairy, about

789
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:34,660
the addictive nature of cheese.

790
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:40,380
If you think they can out-debate you,

791
00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,500
well, send the Oxford Union debate video.

792
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,060
So there's so much you can do.

793
00:31:45,140 --> 00:31:46,220
I urge you to download.

794
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And it's super simple to do.

795
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,400
Once again, you can download Unchained TV, the

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You can also download it on your TV,

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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,960
Then you can also go to unchainedtv.com

802
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,240
and click on there.

803
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,580
And we also write two articles a day,

804
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,580
two articles a week, that we put out.

805
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,620
So very, very dense information.

806
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:19,500
But it's also very, very entertaining as well.

807
00:32:19,580 --> 00:32:20,900
There's a lot of fun stuff, like our

808
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new show At Home with the Jenners, which

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00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:27,560
features Brandon Jenner, who's been on Keeping Up

810
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,380
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815
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Thanks to Plant Based News for providing the

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videos of the Oxford Union debate for us.

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And people are really jazzed.

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It makes me so happy.

824
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Thank you for giving us hope.

825
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I hope you're talking about the Unchained TV

826
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app and the Oxford Union debate.

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Somebody says, Silas looks like a vegan priest.

828
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Al Gore has interest in cattle ranching.

829
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Al Gore didn't want to debate.

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Laugh my ass off.

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Huge success.

832
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People are just super, super jazzed that you

833
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won this debate.

834
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And I believe you should definitely take it

835
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to every university.

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Let's start out with a caller.

837
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Jose in Texas.

838
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Your question or thought for Dr. Rao.

839
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:40,050
First off, I just want to say thank

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00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:41,970
you for letting me speak.

841
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And also, congratulations on this momentous victory.

842
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:48,290
It was incredible to see all you guys

843
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:48,630
talk.

844
00:33:48,770 --> 00:33:50,590
And I'm a big fan of Joey, a

845
00:33:50,590 --> 00:33:51,830
big fan of all your work.

846
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,110
I just want to say, I'd ask, what

847
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:56,090
do you feel like you want to see

848
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more of to really accelerate the vegan movement

849
00:33:58,770 --> 00:33:59,650
into the future, you know?

850
00:34:00,510 --> 00:34:02,350
Good question, Dr. Rao.

851
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:06,750
Yeah, I want more discussion in the media

852
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:08,889
about how urgent the situation is.

853
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:11,690
Because they're only scaring people with climate change

854
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:13,210
and saying, you all have to go buy

855
00:34:13,210 --> 00:34:15,290
electric cars to solve the problem.

856
00:34:15,650 --> 00:34:16,830
That doesn't solve the problem.

857
00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:18,570
I mean, we're not being serious here.

858
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:21,010
So I say we have to look at

859
00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:25,429
all of our environmental issues giving us the

860
00:34:25,429 --> 00:34:25,989
timeline.

861
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:29,630
If you're doing it for health, you could

862
00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:31,449
say, look, I'm feeling fine now.

863
00:34:31,489 --> 00:34:32,530
So I don't have to do it right

864
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:32,750
away.

865
00:34:33,949 --> 00:34:35,210
You could say ethics.

866
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:36,429
You could say, well, we have been hurting

867
00:34:36,429 --> 00:34:37,790
animals for 10,000 years.

868
00:34:37,870 --> 00:34:39,590
So what's the problem with waiting another three,

869
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:40,889
10 years to hurt?

870
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:42,429
You can continue doing it.

871
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:45,110
But the environment is telling us, you better

872
00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:46,429
do it by this time.

873
00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:49,290
You better do it by this time.

874
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:50,469
Otherwise, you're going to hit a point of

875
00:34:50,469 --> 00:34:50,830
no return.

876
00:34:51,230 --> 00:34:53,090
And that's giving us the timeline.

877
00:34:53,850 --> 00:34:56,010
This is why Vegan World 2026 is so

878
00:34:56,010 --> 00:34:56,310
important.

879
00:34:56,530 --> 00:34:58,810
I want that story to be told by

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00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:59,190
the media.

881
00:34:59,910 --> 00:35:01,470
I want that story to be told by

882
00:35:01,470 --> 00:35:04,230
everyone so that it becomes common knowledge.

883
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:05,910
It's as if there is a fire in

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00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:06,330
our home.

885
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:07,770
And I use that analogy now.

886
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:10,590
There are six fires on our planetary home.

887
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:12,970
And people are walking around.

888
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:14,270
They're saying, where is my coffee?

889
00:35:14,350 --> 00:35:15,550
And I say, what are you talking about?

890
00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:16,850
You've got a fire in your home.

891
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:18,750
Forget about looking for coffee.

892
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:20,150
Just get the kids out of there.

893
00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:21,990
That's what you would do when you have

894
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:22,830
a fire in your home.

895
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:25,190
You would say, what is most important to

896
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:25,390
us?

897
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:27,170
Life is most important to us.

898
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:28,590
Our children are most important to us.

899
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:30,950
Children of all species are more important to

900
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:35,370
us than getting the next award from somewhere.

901
00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:37,170
No, I don't care about any of that

902
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:37,450
anymore.

903
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:41,890
I want to get life to survive, to

904
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:42,910
thrive on this planet.

905
00:35:43,610 --> 00:35:46,110
And that's the kind of urgency that we

906
00:35:46,110 --> 00:35:46,690
need to have.

907
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:48,930
We are going to hit points of no

908
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:52,210
return by 2026 from multiple angles, whether it

909
00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:55,430
is from a biodiversity perspective or from a

910
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:56,230
climate perspective.

911
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:58,310
These are all the different fires that are

912
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:59,430
going on on the planet.

913
00:36:01,090 --> 00:36:02,930
Yeah, let me say this.

914
00:36:02,970 --> 00:36:04,670
One of the things that also struck me,

915
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,450
as you said, there were very few, really

916
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:09,150
no serious arguments.

917
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:12,990
Here's another one that just boggled my mind,

918
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:17,210
that the opposition was that it was inconvenient

919
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:18,090
for her.

920
00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:21,670
It is near impossible to reach a point

921
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:22,530
of total morality.

922
00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:24,190
So people are just going to pick the

923
00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:26,170
side that is most convenient for them anyway.

924
00:36:26,770 --> 00:36:28,090
I think it's quite clear that if I

925
00:36:28,090 --> 00:36:29,890
came home this vacation and announced that I

926
00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:31,750
would no longer not just be eating meat,

927
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:34,630
but no cow's milk, no honey, no eggs,

928
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:36,510
no cheese, and so on, not only would

929
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:38,110
I have to endure a lot of teasing

930
00:36:38,110 --> 00:36:40,150
and a traitor stamp on my forehead, but

931
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:41,950
I'd also have to shop and cook for

932
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:43,790
myself and opt out of a system where

933
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:45,590
I don't spend the dregs of my student

934
00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:47,270
loan on a quinoa.

935
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:49,070
You may think that these are sort of

936
00:36:49,070 --> 00:36:51,610
funny and insignificant little arguments, but they speak

937
00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:53,970
to a wider truth that switching to veganism

938
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:56,790
just isn't realistic or desirable for most people.

939
00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:00,930
I mean, a five-year-old could answer

940
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:01,290
that.

941
00:37:01,890 --> 00:37:04,030
It's perfectly convenient.

942
00:37:04,650 --> 00:37:06,390
I don't know what you had, but today

943
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:10,510
I had tacos with some vegan chicken from

944
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:14,930
Gardein with hot sauce, with a salad that

945
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:18,330
had lettuce and a little onion and some

946
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:19,110
chickpeas.

947
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:21,710
And boy, did I have a lot for

948
00:37:21,710 --> 00:37:22,070
lunch.

949
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:26,150
And then some fried potatoes that I fried

950
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:26,990
up in the air fryer.

951
00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:28,130
Now, it sounds like a lot, but it

952
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:29,190
was a very nice dish.

953
00:37:29,250 --> 00:37:33,130
It was basically a wrap with a side

954
00:37:33,130 --> 00:37:33,690
of salad.

955
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:37,890
Now, oh, that's such a terrible inconvenience.

956
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:39,530
No, it's not.

957
00:37:40,070 --> 00:37:43,070
And the idea that she is at the

958
00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:47,030
most prestigious debate forum in the world, saying

959
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:49,830
that she's opposed to something that could save

960
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:51,630
our planet because she would have to cook

961
00:37:51,630 --> 00:37:52,790
her own food.

962
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:55,910
I mean, I'm actually embarrassed for them.

963
00:37:56,070 --> 00:37:57,610
And I'm not even saying that in a

964
00:37:57,610 --> 00:37:58,230
snarky way.

965
00:37:59,670 --> 00:38:03,830
Well, if you notice all the opposition arguments

966
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:06,050
are all about me, me, me.

967
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:09,710
And we were talking about, you know, what

968
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:12,830
is our role, our responsibility to them, to

969
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:13,250
others?

970
00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:16,630
How do we contribute more to the planet?

971
00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:19,830
So we were looking at others and they

972
00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:20,790
were looking at me, me, me.

973
00:38:20,890 --> 00:38:23,890
And that was a major divide in the

974
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:24,430
debate.

975
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:26,850
And I think that's what's going to happen

976
00:38:26,850 --> 00:38:28,010
in the other debates, too.

977
00:38:28,090 --> 00:38:29,130
If you go and debate others.

978
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:32,410
Because the arguments against veganism are all about

979
00:38:32,410 --> 00:38:32,630
me.

980
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:34,870
I may be inconvenienced.

981
00:38:36,210 --> 00:38:38,050
It doesn't taste good for me.

982
00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:38,790
It's all about me.

983
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:44,610
And yeah, but I think this is interesting

984
00:38:44,610 --> 00:38:45,590
to point out, right?

985
00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:48,310
Yes, but it is about us.

986
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:49,690
It is in our self-interest.

987
00:38:50,090 --> 00:38:52,190
She's sort of arguing that it's something that

988
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:54,290
people are doing for a higher moral purpose,

989
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:55,610
but it's not in our self-interest.

990
00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:58,550
But as the doctor who spoke in favour

991
00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:02,310
of the vegan argument explains, it is in

992
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:05,230
our interest to adopt a plant-based diet

993
00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:06,030
for our own health.

994
00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:08,850
Then they discovered, when they put all the

995
00:39:08,850 --> 00:39:12,270
evidence together, they said that the more meat

996
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:15,630
and dairy products you have in your diet,

997
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:17,930
the greater your risk of cancer.

998
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:21,970
Now, the people doing the surveys were not

999
00:39:21,970 --> 00:39:23,210
vegetarians or vegans.

1000
00:39:23,710 --> 00:39:25,330
I used to be an orthopaedic surgeon.

1001
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:27,330
I used to replace people's hips.

1002
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:31,550
And my professors would say to all of

1003
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:33,690
those old ladies, look, go and eat as

1004
00:39:33,690 --> 00:39:36,270
much cheese, drink as much milk, your bones

1005
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:37,110
will get stronger.

1006
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:41,090
That is absolutely the opposite of the truth.

1007
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:44,610
The more of these big proteins you have

1008
00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:46,930
in your diet swilling around in your bloodstream,

1009
00:39:47,550 --> 00:39:50,190
the more acidic your blood becomes.

1010
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:53,290
If your blood is acidic, you need calcium

1011
00:39:53,290 --> 00:39:54,730
to neutralise it.

1012
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:55,950
Where do you get the calcium from?

1013
00:39:56,110 --> 00:39:57,310
It comes from the bones.

1014
00:39:57,890 --> 00:40:00,250
In this country, we have weaker bones than

1015
00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:02,550
the people in certain countries where their diets

1016
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:05,050
are pretty much animal product free.

1017
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:08,850
I thought he did a great job explaining

1018
00:40:08,850 --> 00:40:14,650
the health benefits because people who ignore this

1019
00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:17,610
information do so at their own peril.

1020
00:40:18,510 --> 00:40:22,110
Yeah, the beauty of the system that's nature

1021
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:27,390
is that when you start thinking about the

1022
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:29,290
animals and you say, I'm going to do

1023
00:40:29,290 --> 00:40:33,770
things for others, you actually help yourself too.

1024
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:40,850
The beauty of it is the highest form

1025
00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:44,810
of self-interest is actually doing things for

1026
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:45,170
others.

1027
00:40:46,030 --> 00:40:48,250
When you do things for others, you get

1028
00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:48,550
better.

1029
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:51,490
This is the beauty of nature.

1030
00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:54,770
I think that's what he was pointing out.

1031
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:57,670
It's actually good for us, even though we

1032
00:40:57,670 --> 00:41:00,730
think it's inconvenient to begin with.

1033
00:41:01,630 --> 00:41:04,090
We've got another caller, Tiffany in Los Angeles.

1034
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:06,790
Your question or thought for Dr. Rao, the

1035
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:09,970
winner of the Oxford Union debate.

1036
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:11,470
Would this house go vegan?

1037
00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:12,270
Yes, it would.

1038
00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:12,970
And it did.

1039
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:13,430
Go ahead.

1040
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:15,870
Oh, I love this.

1041
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:18,050
Dr. Rao, can you tell us a little

1042
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:20,650
bit more about your organisation and how we

1043
00:41:20,650 --> 00:41:21,450
can support you?

1044
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:22,490
Sure.

1045
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:28,650
So the organisation that we have, I started

1046
00:41:28,650 --> 00:41:29,750
this in 2007.

1047
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:31,310
It's called Climate Healers.

1048
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:34,390
And you can go to climatehealers.org.

1049
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:36,810
And you will see, and we have a

1050
00:41:36,810 --> 00:41:37,830
For You tab.

1051
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:39,190
If you click on the For You tab,

1052
00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:40,590
you'll see all the things you could do.

1053
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:43,410
There's a calendar there, which shows you all

1054
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:44,670
the meetings that we have.

1055
00:41:45,210 --> 00:41:46,370
So we get together.

1056
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:50,930
There's a large core team at Climate Healers.

1057
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:53,590
And we get together and we organise convergences

1058
00:41:53,590 --> 00:41:54,310
every quarter.

1059
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:59,610
We are basically, our primary motivation is to

1060
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:02,050
get to a vegan world as quickly as

1061
00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:02,450
possible.

1062
00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:05,650
Definitely before the end of 2026.

1063
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:09,750
My granddaughter's 16th birthday, which is November 19th,

1064
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:10,290
2026.

1065
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:11,790
And she has told me she wants a

1066
00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:12,510
vegan world by then.

1067
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:15,070
And whatever she says has always happened.

1068
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:18,410
My job is to make it happen for

1069
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:18,610
her.

1070
00:42:19,570 --> 00:42:20,790
I'm very excited.

1071
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:22,030
And you just had a convergence.

1072
00:42:22,230 --> 00:42:24,250
I was very honoured and delighted to speak

1073
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,510
at the convergence, along with some other notables

1074
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:31,490
like Dotsie Bausch, the vegan Olympian who did

1075
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:34,510
an incredible, incredible job.

1076
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:37,250
You know, we're only got a few minutes.

1077
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:42,590
I want to go back to, actually, we

1078
00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:43,630
have another pro.

1079
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:46,430
This was a woman who is, I believe,

1080
00:42:46,570 --> 00:42:50,570
connected to the Oxford Debate Club, maybe in

1081
00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:53,810
a leadership position, or was at the moment

1082
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:54,650
that she spoke.

1083
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:57,930
And she is, in favour of veganism, I

1084
00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,310
believe she is an unabashed vegan.

1085
00:43:00,330 --> 00:43:03,070
There's no animal that drinks milk past infancy.

1086
00:43:03,590 --> 00:43:06,570
Babies drink milk from their mothers until they're

1087
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:06,910
toddlers.

1088
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:09,890
And for some reason, after that, society tells

1089
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:11,770
us that we need to move to cow's

1090
00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:15,050
milk, which is meant for a baby cow.

1091
00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:18,510
Now, when does a cow start producing milk?

1092
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:19,990
After it's pregnant.

1093
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:22,470
I say that because for some reason, people

1094
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:24,590
seem to think that cows just magically keep

1095
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:25,430
producing milk.

1096
00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:26,530
They don't.

1097
00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:29,510
Now, of course, farms aren't leaving a cow

1098
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:31,370
and a bull in a room together with

1099
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:32,730
some candles and music.

1100
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:37,690
No, they are artificially inseminating cows so that

1101
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:40,150
we can produce the billions of litres of

1102
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:41,470
milk that the industry needs.

1103
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:45,210
Now, after the cow gives birth, what happens

1104
00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:45,810
next?

1105
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:50,990
If they're male, they are separated, taken, usually

1106
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:53,830
killed straight away because they don't have much

1107
00:43:53,830 --> 00:43:55,270
of a use for the industry.

1108
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:57,770
And if they're female, the calf will grow

1109
00:43:57,770 --> 00:44:00,050
up to suffer the same fate as its

1110
00:44:00,050 --> 00:44:00,270
mother.

1111
00:44:01,310 --> 00:44:04,330
Now, of course, there are obvious ethical issues

1112
00:44:04,330 --> 00:44:04,710
here.

1113
00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:07,430
And I'm aware that not everyone is convinced

1114
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:09,590
by the case that on a moral level,

1115
00:44:10,070 --> 00:44:11,390
this is simply wrong.

1116
00:44:12,030 --> 00:44:14,610
For some reason, we consider animals to be

1117
00:44:14,610 --> 00:44:17,310
less intelligent and therefore less deserving of our

1118
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,670
empathy, which doesn't really make sense.

1119
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:21,790
I mean, there are lots of unintelligent humans,

1120
00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:23,990
but you wouldn't want to go around, you

1121
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:26,230
know, eating Piers Morgan or eating Katie Hopkins,

1122
00:44:26,350 --> 00:44:26,850
for example.

1123
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:37,090
But on a fundamental level, animals want to

1124
00:44:37,090 --> 00:44:37,350
live.

1125
00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:39,950
They feel pain, they feel suffering.

1126
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,570
And just because we can do something doesn't

1127
00:44:42,570 --> 00:44:44,330
mean that it's the right thing to do.

1128
00:44:44,750 --> 00:44:46,910
But if that hasn't convinced you, this is

1129
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:48,570
also really bad for you.

1130
00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:50,650
It means that the cow's milk that we

1131
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:52,590
buy is what's known as stress milk.

1132
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:56,670
I want to end by saying that in

1133
00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:59,730
the absence of necessity, there is also the

1134
00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:01,110
absence of justification.

1135
00:45:02,050 --> 00:45:04,330
In our world today, we do not need

1136
00:45:04,330 --> 00:45:06,030
to eat meat or dairy.

1137
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:08,770
And all it does is bring more suffering,

1138
00:45:08,770 --> 00:45:11,890
not only to ourselves, but also to the

1139
00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:14,430
environment and also to the poor animals who

1140
00:45:14,430 --> 00:45:15,310
are going through this.

1141
00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:18,070
Oh, I just loved her.

1142
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:19,670
Her speech was great.

1143
00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:22,550
And she had that funny line about just

1144
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:24,910
because you can eat, doesn't mean you would

1145
00:45:24,910 --> 00:45:27,790
want to eat Piers Morgan or Katie Hopkins.

1146
00:45:28,070 --> 00:45:30,470
Katie Hopkins was the one with the vile,

1147
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:36,250
nasty, dark, almost demonic presentation.

1148
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:39,270
Now, tell us about the vote.

1149
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:40,370
What was the vote?

1150
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:42,290
I have it written down somewhere, but it

1151
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:43,170
was pretty overwhelming.

1152
00:45:43,470 --> 00:45:46,010
And also who that lady was.

1153
00:45:46,610 --> 00:45:47,090
Oh, yeah.

1154
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:50,410
So we owe her a lot for this

1155
00:45:50,410 --> 00:45:51,510
debate to happen.

1156
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:55,330
We owe her and Charles Frazier was the

1157
00:45:55,330 --> 00:45:56,910
one who connected us with Oxford Union.

1158
00:45:58,050 --> 00:46:00,730
And so she's Disha Hegde.

1159
00:46:01,470 --> 00:46:03,930
And she was the president of the Oxford

1160
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:06,150
Union during that term.

1161
00:46:07,230 --> 00:46:07,910
Michelmas term.

1162
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:10,790
So they changed their presidents every term.

1163
00:46:11,650 --> 00:46:13,290
They changed their office holders every time.

1164
00:46:13,390 --> 00:46:14,650
So there's an election every time.

1165
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,310
So she was the president and she was

1166
00:46:17,310 --> 00:46:17,670
a vegan.

1167
00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,770
She had been vegan for four years.

1168
00:46:20,510 --> 00:46:22,630
And she's the one who said, we were

1169
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:24,450
debating whether, we were asking whether it should

1170
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:26,510
be called this house would go plant-based

1171
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:28,990
or this house would go vegan.

1172
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:30,730
And she said, we have to do vegan.

1173
00:46:31,250 --> 00:46:31,450
Okay.

1174
00:46:31,470 --> 00:46:33,110
So she insisted it should be vegan.

1175
00:46:34,350 --> 00:46:37,290
And the incoming president, who is now the

1176
00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:39,910
president in this quarter, I think it's called

1177
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:42,950
the Hillary term, is Hannah Edwards.

1178
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:44,770
And she was on the other side.

1179
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:47,090
She was arguing against the proposition.

1180
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:49,770
We've got a little bit of her.

1181
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:51,610
So what I would like to do is

1182
00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:53,190
play a little bit of her, you know,

1183
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:54,490
by the way, this went on a long

1184
00:46:54,490 --> 00:46:54,810
time.

1185
00:46:54,850 --> 00:46:56,710
So we picked clips.

1186
00:46:57,450 --> 00:47:00,550
But here's the one who's the new president.

1187
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:03,570
And she was arguing against veganism.

1188
00:47:03,830 --> 00:47:06,110
It may include clips of some other people,

1189
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:08,910
but she's the blonde and she is most

1190
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:09,590
of this clip.

1191
00:47:09,850 --> 00:47:11,230
You eat a cow.

1192
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:12,730
It's the Holocaust.

1193
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:14,510
You murderers.

1194
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:17,030
When you're the victim, things look a lot

1195
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:17,950
differently from that angle.

1196
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:23,930
With this house against all our instincts and

1197
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:26,170
better judgement go vegan.

1198
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:28,570
When I Googled what do people think about

1199
00:47:28,570 --> 00:47:31,250
vegans in preparation for this debate, the results

1200
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:33,710
that came up were, why do people hate

1201
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:34,230
vegans?

1202
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:37,550
The war on vegans, the science of why

1203
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:41,490
people hate vegans and vegophobia, which I had

1204
00:47:41,490 --> 00:47:42,270
never heard of.

1205
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:45,410
We've even seen high profile cases where vegans

1206
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:46,770
have been discriminated against.

1207
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:49,970
William Sittwell was ex editor of Waitrose magazine

1208
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:52,110
and he had to resign after an email

1209
00:47:52,110 --> 00:47:54,370
was leaked where he joked about killing vegans

1210
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:55,210
one by one.

1211
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:58,390
NatWest Bank faced a scandal when a customer

1212
00:47:58,390 --> 00:48:00,150
calling to apply for a loan was told

1213
00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:02,210
by an employee that all vegans should be

1214
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:03,210
punched in the face.

1215
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:09,390
Wow, again, another ridiculous, absurd and not to

1216
00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:10,430
the point argument.

1217
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:12,590
And that's not what you get when you

1218
00:48:12,590 --> 00:48:13,390
look up vegans.

1219
00:48:13,530 --> 00:48:17,410
She selectively chose things that she thought might

1220
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:17,930
be funny.

1221
00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:20,930
They seem to be resorting to sort of

1222
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:25,390
callous sophomoric humour, Dr. Rao.

1223
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:27,810
It was actually appealing.

1224
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:29,410
They were trying to appeal to the students

1225
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:31,730
saying, don't go there, then you'll be looked

1226
00:48:31,730 --> 00:48:34,050
down upon by society and blah, blah, blah.

1227
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:37,530
I think that was the motivation for what

1228
00:48:37,530 --> 00:48:38,310
she was trying to do.

1229
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:40,650
But obviously, no, she lost.

1230
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:45,090
And they lost 112 to 84.

1231
00:48:45,250 --> 00:48:46,030
That was the score.

1232
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:49,030
Though I heard from people that the line

1233
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:51,350
for, because the way they do the tabulation

1234
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:54,290
of the words, they divide the door in

1235
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:54,530
two.

1236
00:48:54,730 --> 00:48:56,110
So they put a pole in the door.

1237
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:58,210
And if you go to the left of

1238
00:48:58,210 --> 00:48:59,610
the pole, you're voting no.

1239
00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:00,570
If you go to the right of the

1240
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:01,550
pole, you're voting yes.

1241
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:05,330
And people told me that the line for

1242
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:08,090
the yes was so long that people at

1243
00:49:08,090 --> 00:49:09,790
the back said, hey, they're gonna win anyway.

1244
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:11,110
And they walked out the no door.

1245
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:15,370
So despite that, it was 112 to 84.

1246
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:19,990
Wow, so what we've gotten out of this

1247
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:22,330
conversation, we only have a few minutes, is

1248
00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:25,990
that essentially we're gonna try to take this

1249
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:27,870
on the road, which I think would be

1250
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:29,750
absolutely fantastic.

1251
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:32,430
And I'm going to hook you up with

1252
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:36,210
the fabulous vegan student organisations at UCLA.

1253
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:37,650
They're very organised.

1254
00:49:38,330 --> 00:49:40,930
And they're all about spreading the word.

1255
00:49:41,710 --> 00:49:44,230
And so I think this is a great

1256
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:47,150
way to reach the up and coming generation.

1257
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:50,770
First of all, I also think they're a

1258
00:49:50,770 --> 00:49:53,210
little out of touch because I think for

1259
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:56,670
younger people, it's very cool and in to

1260
00:49:56,670 --> 00:49:57,150
be vegan.

1261
00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:58,890
It's not out.

1262
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:01,810
Frankly, they sound like their grandparents.

1263
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:05,110
These are young people who seem trapped in

1264
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:07,850
an Agatha Christie movie.

1265
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:11,450
I don't get it because if you look

1266
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:14,030
at the cool factor, the cool factor is

1267
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:14,430
vegan.

1268
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:17,550
And so I don't know.

1269
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:19,590
I honestly think it was just that they

1270
00:50:19,590 --> 00:50:20,750
didn't have any good arguments.

1271
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:23,190
I mean, if you don't have any good

1272
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:25,310
arguments, you just go with what you can

1273
00:50:25,310 --> 00:50:25,750
go with.

1274
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:28,050
There are no good arguments against veganism.

1275
00:50:28,850 --> 00:50:29,290
Absolutely.

1276
00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:30,990
I really think that was what happened.

1277
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:32,950
They didn't have any good arguments.

1278
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:36,570
And they also felt, they also feel like

1279
00:50:36,570 --> 00:50:40,750
they can openly attack vegans and not be

1280
00:50:40,750 --> 00:50:42,770
dragged out of the room for doing that.

1281
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:45,710
I mean, if Katie Hopkins had said, all

1282
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:47,790
black people are short, she would have been

1283
00:50:47,790 --> 00:50:48,550
pulled out of there.

1284
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:51,130
No one would have tolerated that.

1285
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:52,790
But she was saying all vegans are short.

1286
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:55,430
All vegans have small members and things like

1287
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:55,750
that.

1288
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:58,290
She was going on and on about physical

1289
00:50:58,290 --> 00:50:58,930
characteristics.

1290
00:51:00,890 --> 00:51:02,910
And she was trying to scare people.

1291
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:05,850
If you do this, your hair is going

1292
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:07,050
to fall off and this sort of thing.

1293
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:08,530
This is the kind of thing that people

1294
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:11,610
try to do to scare people from adopting

1295
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:12,970
something that makes sense to them.

1296
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:18,430
And so, yeah, it's highly unscientific from that

1297
00:51:18,430 --> 00:51:18,910
perspective.

1298
00:51:20,070 --> 00:51:22,490
Let me ask you about another issue.

1299
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:23,630
We only have a couple of minutes.

1300
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,270
I'd like to ask you personally, were you

1301
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:28,250
nervous when you had to get up there

1302
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:30,410
knowing everything that was riding on it?

1303
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:32,830
How did you handle that?

1304
00:51:32,890 --> 00:51:35,310
For people who have to, if we're going

1305
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:37,070
to do this at every university, it might

1306
00:51:37,070 --> 00:51:40,490
not always be you and Joey Carbstrong, who

1307
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:42,070
is a trained speaker.

1308
00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:43,670
Were you nervous?

1309
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:45,010
And how did you handle that if so?

1310
00:51:45,870 --> 00:51:46,950
No, I wasn't nervous.

1311
00:51:47,110 --> 00:51:49,770
I mean, see, I'm fortunate because when I

1312
00:51:49,770 --> 00:51:53,130
was going to school, my dad asked me

1313
00:51:53,130 --> 00:51:54,530
to join the debate club.

1314
00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:55,610
He asked me to join.

1315
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:57,270
So I was doing all these.

1316
00:51:57,730 --> 00:51:58,990
I used to go to schools and do

1317
00:51:58,990 --> 00:51:59,550
these debates.

1318
00:52:00,650 --> 00:52:03,170
And as a result, I lost my fear

1319
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:04,190
of public speaking.

1320
00:52:05,710 --> 00:52:08,790
So for me, I'm telling you my story.

1321
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:09,950
And if you don't like it, fine.

1322
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:10,970
If you like it, fine.

1323
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:13,990
So I always had that attitude.

1324
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:19,730
And I'm thankful to my dad for making

1325
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:20,950
me do that when I was a kid,

1326
00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:22,090
because then I was scared.

1327
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,390
As a child, I was scared to do

1328
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:24,530
it.

1329
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:27,390
But after you do the 15th debate, the

1330
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:28,830
20th debate, you get used to it.

1331
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:30,350
Yes.

1332
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:33,370
And to answer this question, nobody's saying there's

1333
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:34,470
anything wrong with being short.

1334
00:52:34,830 --> 00:52:36,990
The woman who said that was doing it

1335
00:52:36,990 --> 00:52:40,470
offensively as if there was something wrong with

1336
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:40,970
being short.

1337
00:52:42,110 --> 00:52:42,270
Yeah.

1338
00:52:42,510 --> 00:52:44,550
You know, I'm just so impressed by all

1339
00:52:44,550 --> 00:52:44,830
of this.

1340
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:46,230
And it does give me hope.

1341
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:49,430
People, one of the reasons we started Unchained

1342
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:52,030
TV is that the mainstream media does not

1343
00:52:52,030 --> 00:52:52,530
tell this.

1344
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:54,690
And I went and looked for, well, what

1345
00:52:54,690 --> 00:52:55,910
stories do we have on this?

1346
00:52:56,090 --> 00:52:58,630
And I found Plant-Based News and some

1347
00:52:58,630 --> 00:53:02,930
other publication that is basically one of the

1348
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:04,390
speakers wrote a little...

1349
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:05,730
It should have been in the New York

1350
00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:11,350
Times, the Washington Post, the Daily Mail, the

1351
00:53:11,350 --> 00:53:13,590
Daily Mirror, the Sun Magazine.

1352
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:15,570
By the way, Unchained TV is in all

1353
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:17,950
of those publications with the exception of the

1354
00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:18,570
New York Times.

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This week, due to our show, At Home

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with the Jenners, we hope you download our

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app and check out that very fun show,

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At Home with the Jenners, starring Brandon Jenner

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and his wife, Kaylee Jenner.

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And they are plant-based and they are

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inviting people into their Malibu home to cook

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vegan.

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And it's a delightful show.

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So we've gotten massive publicity, but it was

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the celebrity factor that brought that publicity in.

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And vegans are trying to break through the

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mainstream media blackout on animal rights and veganism.

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And that's why we started Unchained TV, the

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vegan streaming network.

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So that win at the Oxford Union is

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just one more example of how they won

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this spectacular win and there's no mainstream media

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reporting on it.

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And that's truly offensive.

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It's an abrogation of journalistic responsibility.

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And we're here to fill in the gap.

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So thank you for watching, Dr. Rao.

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I just wanna say, you're my hero.

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I remember I first heard you speaking in

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Texas at a cattle ranch turned vegan animal

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sanctuary, the Rowdy Girls Sanctuary.

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And you said, we are gonna go vegan

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and we're gonna do it by 2026.

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And I was transformed.

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I was like, finally, somebody saying that we're

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gonna do this and giving us a deadline.

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And that's when I really jumped in to

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your movement.

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And we did a documentary called Countdown to

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Year Zero.

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It's on Amazon Prime, but it's also on

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Unchained TV.

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I urge you to watch it because if

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we are going to achieve a vegan world

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by 2026, all of you have to get

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busy, okay?

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It's great to be vegan, but be vegan

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plus be an activist.

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That's what we urge you to do.

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Thank you so much, Dr. Silas Rao.

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Check out climatehealers.org.

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Learn more about everything this extraordinary individual is

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doing to save our planet by 2026.