UnchainedTV: Humans & Other Animals! Transformative New Film!

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I'm hoping that this film will be a

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single package that people can share with friends

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and family members that really makes the case

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for changing how we view and how we

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treat non-human animals and making changes in

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our own lives.

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Well, let's take a little look at a

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little clip and talk on the other side.

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It's a scientific revolution.

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Animals are way more intelligent than we used

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to think.

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Yes, chimpanzees are hunting with spears.

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So she's the leader.

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She's the one who made the decision.

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We discovered that they were paying very close

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attention to us.

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But that's just the beginning.

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There are a lot of people making a

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lot of money who don't want us to

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change how we see other animals.

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They want to separate humans from non-human

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animals because then it opens the door, gives

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them licence and power to do anything they

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want.

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And we're only getting crueller.

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I mean, the number of animals that we're

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killing as a species is mind-boggling.

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More animals are killed in one day than

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all the humans who have died in all

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the wars in human history.

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We're going in the wrong direction.

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And yet we're also going in the right

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direction as organisations like PETA, Mercy for Animals,

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and hundreds of others, the Non-Human Rights

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Project, Animal Legal Defence Fund, Physicians Committee for

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Responsible Medicine, you know, try to wake us

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up that when we hurt animals, we're killing

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ourselves, we're killing our planet.

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How do you make sense of those two

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trajectories where the number of animals being killed

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is going up, but we're also kind of

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waking up simultaneously?

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Yeah, we're really at an inflexion point.

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You know, things are changing in terms of

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people's attitudes towards non-human animals.

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Things are changing in terms of people changing

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their diets and so forth.

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But at the same time, we can't change

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things fast enough because literally trillions of animals

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are being tortured and killed every year.

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And once we change our human-centred view,

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something called speciesism, the assumption that there's a

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sharp moral gulf between different members of different

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species, and we start taking non-human animals

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seriously as a serious social and political issue,

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all of a sudden, this basically opens up

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the world and makes this a profoundly serious

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social issue and quite possibly, quite likely, perhaps

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the most serious social and political issue of

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our time.

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So things are changing.

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A growing number of people are standing up

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and saying we have to change how we

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view other animals.

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But every one of us who cares about

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ethics and who cares about reducing suffering and

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injustice in the world, we should know that

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we can make a difference whenever we speak

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with people about this issue.

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And I hope that this film will be

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another small part of the tools that we

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need to spread the word.

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Now, you use some very high-tech equipment,

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which, I mean, honestly, you've got guts.

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You're going into these dangerous situations.

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Uh, I've been working for animal rights my

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whole life, but you don't see me going

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in with drones and all the things that

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you did.

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I want to play another little clip, and

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then you can describe exactly what's going on

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because it seems pretty extraordinary.

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So I decided to see for myself.

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But these industries are pretty damn secretive.

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How do I get over the barbed wire?

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Hello, is anyone here?

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Hello, is anyone here?

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Excuse me, is anyone here?

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So I had to take some extreme measures.

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We had to design a new type of

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camera just for this investigation.

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This is quite a thing to try to

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sneak through the hole.

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Those recordings, if you share them, could mean

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that you're thrown in jail.

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I have a gunplay in my head.

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Be pretty dangerous.

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This is a good disguise, right?

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A risk when you went out there.

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Were you in fear?

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Did you fear that maybe something could happen

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to you as a result of what you

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were doing?

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Yes, that's the short answer.

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The industries really do whatever they can to

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stop people from seeing what happens inside these

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facilities.

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They've passed laws, as is mentioned in that

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clip, or gotten legislators to pass laws to

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make it illegal in some places to film

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or to share footage.

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These are industries that have a really strong

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interest in hiding what's happening.

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And so people who are trying to expose

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this have to get more and more creative.

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So we literally had to, as you'll see

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in the film, develop new technologies in order

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to find new ways to get into this

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facility, these facilities.

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They're always having to stay ahead of the

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ways that they're trying to stop us.

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And so that included some difficult and dangerous

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things, as you'll see in the film, but

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which thankfully paid off in terms of being

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able to expose what happens in these facilities

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in different parts of the world.

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I'm very fascinated by when I talk to

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people who have really devoted their lives to

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this issue.

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We recently interviewed Ingrid Newkirk, the co-founder

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and president of PETA.

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What made them devote their lives?

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Like, why you?

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And there is a clip from your previous

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movie where you explain that you saw something

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and it just totally changed the trajectory of

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your life.

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Let's look at that and discuss on the

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other side.

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This is me working on the movie that

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you're watching right now.

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I started researching and filming this in college

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when I was 20.

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I made it more important than anything else

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I did.

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I didn't do my homework or go out

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much.

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This just had to be made into a

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film.

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But I didn't have much time or money,

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so I worked at Disney World and Starbucks

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and a museum and put all of my

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money toward the film.

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Last year, at 22, when I was about

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to leave for law school, I decided to

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postpone it and move in with my dad

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for a year to finish the movie.

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Of course, I didn't know how to make

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a movie, but I did make some new

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friends along the way who helped me out

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by holding the camera.

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Like a PhD candidate named Alex.

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I can hear me pretty well in my

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headphones.

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And a fellow psychology student named Alana.

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Sometimes they just sat and watched.

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So anyway, back to the movie.

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Hey, what do you say?

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How many bears are killed today?

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I've been naked in Florida, Arizona, Las Vegas.

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Oh, should I Google your name?

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Are you naked on the internet also?

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Yes, I am.

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I visited a few more of these animal

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rights events.

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And by the way, you have Ringling Brothers

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there.

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One of the first videos I ever did

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when I started this project in 2015 was

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cover a rally in Brooklyn against Ringling Brothers.

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All of us wondering, do we have a

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shot in hell at getting circuses to stop

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using animals?

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Well, we ultimately won thanks to organisations like

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PETA.

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But every time I see Ringling Brothers, I

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remind myself of the Nelson Mandela quote, it

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always seems impossible until it's done.

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Getting back to you, why you?

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What was it about what you saw that

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just changed the whole direction of your life?

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You know, it's because what happens to animals

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is so shocking.

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It's almost impossible to believe that the industries

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fight so hard to keep it hidden.

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Once I found out, as a result actually

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of PETA, what really happens in factory farms,

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that animals who are as intelligent and as

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emotionally aware as dogs and cats and any

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other animals we know are kept by the

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billions in what are literally factories.

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They're not farms anymore.

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They're literally mechanised systems.

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Once I realised that, I thought, well, how

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is it?

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How is it possible that this isn't a

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massive public outreach?

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And the reason is, of course, in large

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part because it's kept hidden and in large

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part because it's just viewed as normal that

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we use animals for food as we do.

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So once I realised that and I started

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looking into it, the deeper you go, the

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deeper and more profound this issue becomes.

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And the more you come across the really

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deep philosophical questions about why we think we're

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so distinct, so different from other species.

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And that's what I tried to tackle in

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this film, really fundamental questions.

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We think that we're something separate, something different

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from other species.

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And I spoke with scientists all over the

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world, from the Congo to back home in

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the United States, who are studying particular individual

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animals, where they live in the world.

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And I was able to go to those

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places and see things like, for example, a

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bonobo.

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These are animals closely related to chimpanzees, where

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our common ancestor was only six to eight

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million years ago, maybe, between humans and these

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animals.

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And I saw one who decided, she was

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trying to decide how far into the water

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she could sort of wade in towards us.

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And she got a stick out and she

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measured the depth of the water with the

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stick.

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This is something I don't think I even

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would have thought of.

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And the more you see things that show

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that these are individuals making decisions, experiencing the

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world like us, the more you really wake

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up and say, oh my God, if that's

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true, and there are literally billions.

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Now, if we include aquatic animals, which we

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should, trillions of individuals being exploited by us,

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it really essentially changes the world.

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That's what happened to me.

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And that's what I hope that I can

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help have happen to viewers of this film.

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All right, we've got some callers.

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Annie in Sherman Oaks, California.

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Your question or thought for filmmaker Mark DeVries.

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Oh my goodness, I am so excited.

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Thank you, Jane, for doing the show and

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Mark for being here.

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You both are heroes.

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I mean, there's not much more to say,

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but I'd love to know these movies you're

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making, they're so, so important, so essential.

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Oh my God, every day I lose sleep

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over the horrors I see.

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Every day there's more to discover.

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One, I mean, I'm impressed like you leading

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the, not going to your law school and

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doing this because you do see the urgency.

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What really got you to feel that dire

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urgency that you put everything on freeze to

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make this movie?

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Thank you, Annie, excellent question.

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Mark, yes, a lot of people see this

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stuff and I try to show it to

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not only through our streaming network, millions of

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people, but also to relatives, et cetera.

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And sometimes I'll get a response like that's

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intense or ooh, but it doesn't seem to

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change some people's behaviour patterns.

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This is the conundrum.

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Like how can we be horrified by something

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and other people, oh, yawn.

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A lot of it is what the social

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norms are.

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When humankind held like human beings held other

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human beings as slaves for practically all of

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human history in practically every culture as far

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as I know.

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And so now we look back and say,

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that's crazy, how could we have done that?

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And I think the reason is if you're

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brought up in a situation where something that

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on reflection would be terribly wrong is just

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viewed as okay and normal by everyone around

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you, we're social animals and we essentially look

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around, look at what the norms are and

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we do that.

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And that's why it's up to a fairly

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small group of people who have woken up

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to changing their view of other animals to

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push the norms in the right direction to

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in the same way that people have done

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for past wrongs, start waking people up bit

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by bit.

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So it can seem like it's happening too

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slowly and it can make people feel like

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they just should give up.

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But really what we've seen throughout history is

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that changes do happen.

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They seem slow at the beginning and then

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there's a critical mass where we see a

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major change.

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And that's why it's important for all of

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us who do care about non-human animals

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and see the extent of the tragedy, the

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extent of the wrong, to do what we

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can effectively to influence and educate others.

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And of course, that's what I've tried to

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do with this film is really give you

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something in one package that you can, for

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example, bring friends and family to the screenings

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or share it with them when it's on

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streaming platforms.

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Yes, we've got another caller.

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Michelle in Los Angeles, your question or thought

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for Mark DeVries, the filmmaker of Humans and

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Other Animals.

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Hi, the trailer is really fascinating.

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I was wondering what response are you getting

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from non-vegans?

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And do you feel that it's actually making

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a connection?

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Do you think they're getting it?

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Do you think people's minds are changing?

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And by the way, we've already given out

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two free tickets.

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One to Annie and one to Michelle for

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the Los Angeles premiere on July 17th.

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And so keep calling.

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We will give away three more tickets.

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Go ahead, Mark.

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So I've seen, for example, with my first

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film, a lot of people who said things

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like, wow, I never saw it that way.

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When it introduced the philosophical case for really

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fundamentally changing how we view non-human animals.

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And I've heard from people who've said that

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it changed their lives and changed their diets

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and so forth.

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And I think with this film, it's aimed

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even more broadly.

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People are really fascinated with, as they should

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be, the incredible sophistication of non-human animals,

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their social and emotional lives.

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And that's what draws people in.

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And then when people are drawn in, they

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can be introduced to the case for, well,

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there are ethical implications from this.

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If these animals are experiencing something, then there's

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something ethically to take into account, especially as

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it shows in the trailer when we investigate

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what's really happening behind closed doors.

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So I've seen with this film, since it's

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not out yet, I've seen people's reactions to

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the promotional materials, to the trailer and so

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forth.

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And people who are not vegan, who are

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not animal advocates and so forth, say, wow,

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that looks interesting.

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That looks exciting.

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I'm curious to see it.

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And that's what I was aiming for, a

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film that people who are new to this

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issue and who are completely unfamiliar with this

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issue can be drawn in by, can be

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made curious and can be engaged throughout the

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film.

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And particularly importantly, it gets the points across

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without being excessively graphic.

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So if you're afraid of it being too

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upsetting to watch, it won't be.

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Sorry, Jane, go ahead.

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No, I think it's super important.

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A lot of people don't wanna watch graphic

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footage.

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In fact, I have to watch a lot

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of it.

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I'm sure you obviously have to watch a

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lot of it and enough, I'm already vegan.

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I don't need to self-traumatise by watching

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this.

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The people who need to watch it don't

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wanna watch it.

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And that's a conundrum that we have to

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solve.

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Oh, we've got another caller, Sarah in Atlanta,

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your question or thought.

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Hi, I actually saw your movie Speciesism when

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I lived in Atlanta and you were there

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and it was really nice.

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And I wanted to ask you, are you

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planning on screening this film in colleges and

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universities?

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I think that if someone's teaching a class

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on ethics, then this film should be immediately

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put into their curriculum.

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Thank you.

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Yes, indeed.

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We're working on exactly that, making it available

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to universities, through a particular company that actually

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makes things available for free through university library

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systems and so forth, so that professors can

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assign the film and can show the film

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and so forth and groups can do screenings.

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So we are doing exactly that because younger

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people and college age is like just a

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perfect age are willing more so it seems

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to rethink prejudices and assumptions and norms that

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they grew up with.

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So college students who have more open minds

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and are interested in new ideas and new

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ways of looking on the world and who

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are ethically concerned, those are exactly the people

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we want to make sure we bring it

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to a lot.

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I actually just got an email yesterday from

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a professor who's already interested in showing it

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to a class.

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I should mention just to continue something that

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was dropped off in the last question.

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This film intentionally has footage that shows the

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conditions that gets across what happens without being

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too graphic.

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So if you're afraid of watching graphic footage,

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you should still be able to watch this

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film.

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It gets the ideas across, it shows how

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bad it is, but it should not be

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traumatising.

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Yes, and by the way, Tom wants to

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know, will the movie be shown in other

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cities?

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Yes, and I will now put up where

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you go to get the entire list, but

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Chicago, Philly, Dallas, Boston, as well as New

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York and LA and even some others.

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All right, we've got another caller, Georgia and

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Santa Monica, your question or thought for Mark

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DeVries, the filmmaker.

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Hi, yes, Mark, I want to congratulate you

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and you have a great spark inside of

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you and that will light up a lot

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of people and I'm very excited about that.

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But how do we get it to the

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people who actually have power, who actually are

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the ones who need to change?

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I think it's fantastic to reach out to

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young people and start a revolution, but all

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the millions of animals that are suffering right

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now, how can we actually get into the

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hands of these people who actually can do

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something today?

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I think change happens too slowly from the

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standpoint of those who are suffering in current

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exploitation, but it happens and is happening in

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the case of animals quickly when we look

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at things historically, when we look at how

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we've exploited animals throughout our history as soon

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as we were able to and how quickly

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there's a serious public conversation about changing it.

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So I don't think things will end right

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away.

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I don't think there is a path to

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ending things within just the next few years,

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but we do see a change faster than

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I think we might have reasonably expected as

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a result of younger people and new generations

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questioning norms and the norms starting to shift.

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I am though also getting the support of

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intellectual influencers, people who have large followings and

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who have a large impact in the intellectual

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world who will be able to share the

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film, people like Steven Pinker, for example, at

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Harvard, who's written many best-selling books and

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who's in the film.

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And so that will help reach influential and

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powerful people as well as new generations coming

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in.

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All right, we've got yet another caller and

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Georgia, by the way, you have a free

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ticket to the premiere on July 17th.

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Now we've got Tiffany, also in Los Angeles.

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Tiffany, do you want a free ticket?

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And what's your question?

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I can't wait.

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Yes, please.

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Thank you for taking my call, Jane and

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Mark.

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I'm so inspired by your, it's a fresh

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energy, you're young and I'm just feeling really

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inspired by seeing you and excited to see

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the movie.

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And I wanna ask, have you received any

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pushback from Animal Ag or the industry at

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all?

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Yes, the, well, first of all, in the

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first film I did, they even had one

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of their front groups write basically hit pieces

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trying to discourage people from watching the film.

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I have heard that there are messages going

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around within Animal Agriculture telling them to watch

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out for this film.

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And that's a good sign because if they're

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doing that, it suggests that they see a

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potential impact of the film.

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And I think when it's on major streaming

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platforms, which it will be starting in a

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few months after all of the screenings, it

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will, I hope, reach those millions of people

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that the Animal Agriculture industry is concerned about.

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By the way, for people who can't make

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it to the screenings in New York, LA,

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San Francisco, Dallas, Boston, Philadelphia, or Chicago, if

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you add your email address on the website

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that's on the screen now, humansandotheranimalsmovie.com, you'll

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get an alert when it's available for streaming

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later on.

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Though the premieres, I'll be there and I

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hope to meet many of you at those.

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Wow, so I think you're right.

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It's a badge of honour to be listed

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as a threat.

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An Animal Agriculture magazine wrote up Unchained TV

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as a threat.

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Oh my God, they've got their own streaming

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network.

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I was like, yeah, let's put that up

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on the website.

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That shows that we're making a difference.

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So the Farm Bill.

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Now we've been covering protests about the Farm

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Bill because if you look at in terms

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of sheer numbers, the number of animals that

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are tortured and killed, food is undoubtedly number

544
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:40,080
one.

545
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,780
Correct me if you think I'm wrong.

546
00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:44,620
Maybe if you're talking about insects, it might

547
00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:46,180
be, but it's still food because they're being

548
00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:48,080
killed as part of the agricultural process.

549
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:53,420
So what will determine what happens with food

550
00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:56,460
subsidies, which is subsidies to the meat and

551
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:58,940
dairy industry by the US government for the

552
00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:02,140
next five years will be determined by the

553
00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:02,640
Farm Bill.

554
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:05,440
And we've interviewed people who have literally been

555
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,140
protesting and disrupting some of the hearings regarding

556
00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:15,600
the Farm Bill because speaking nicely doesn't seem

557
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,440
to do much.

558
00:24:17,020 --> 00:24:19,280
And so I'll play one little clip of

559
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,520
Free From Harm, an organisation that disrupted an

560
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,620
animal agriculture hearing saying, stop subsidising animal agriculture.

561
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,740
It's not free market.

562
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,840
It's not capitalism.

563
00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:32,320
It's corporate socialism.

564
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,340
Those who believe, well, it's the market.

565
00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:37,560
No, the average fast food hamburger would probably

566
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,040
cost 20, $25.

567
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,880
Who knows if it wasn't subsidised by our

568
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,800
tax dollars.

569
00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:46,960
The Farm Bill is a product of dark

570
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,340
money that comes from the meat, dairy, and

571
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:51,540
egg industries who have bought your vote through

572
00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:54,240
millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

573
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,880
You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse

574
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,260
to pay for disease outbreaks that come from

575
00:25:00,260 --> 00:25:03,920
confining and slaughtering billions of animals, not another

576
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,900
penny for cooking millions of birds alive.

577
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:09,860
It's time to fund a water-free plant

578
00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:11,120
-based food system.

579
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,300
And it goes on and on like that.

580
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,360
So what are your thoughts on that?

581
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,340
Because they're approaching it from a different perspective.

582
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,620
Yes, we have to make the consumers aware,

583
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,380
but ultimately a lot of consumers, it's gonna

584
00:25:32,380 --> 00:25:34,620
come down to not just taste, but price.

585
00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:37,580
And the government is making meat and dairy

586
00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:40,840
artificially cheap with massive subsidies.

587
00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:45,180
And so that is putting the thumb on

588
00:25:45,180 --> 00:25:45,820
the scale.

589
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:48,080
How do we overcome that?

590
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,060
Yeah, these issues go together, of course, because

591
00:25:52,060 --> 00:25:56,240
as people eat fewer animal products, there are

592
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,520
more people who are vegetarian, vegan who reduce

593
00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,160
their meat consumption.

594
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,580
The less power the meat industry has to

595
00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:05,340
pull those levers in Congress.

596
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:09,660
So the tactics go together, focussing to the

597
00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:14,700
extent possible on legislative change now, despite it

598
00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,140
being very difficult because of these industries who

599
00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:20,220
are, as shown, they're able to get themselves

600
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:23,620
subsidised and many other issues like being able

601
00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:27,180
to have limited environmental regulation and ineffective regulation

602
00:26:27,180 --> 00:26:28,420
in various areas and so forth.

603
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:33,840
So getting public concern on the side of

604
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,660
taking non-human animals seriously and taking the

605
00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:39,860
environmental impact seriously is extremely important.

606
00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:42,620
Getting people to reduce their consumption of animal

607
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:46,960
products is extremely important because of the power

608
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,340
that that gives the industry.

609
00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:51,500
And of course, bringing your voice to the

610
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,260
extent possible directly to the legislature, in part

611
00:26:55,260 --> 00:26:58,260
for the purpose of educating more of the

612
00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:03,460
public about how bad things are with the

613
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:04,880
influence that the meat industry has.

614
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,780
Those things really go together and mutually reinforce

615
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:08,300
each other.

616
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:11,340
Well, you talked about the environmental aspect because

617
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,060
we're in a climate crisis and animal agriculture

618
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:17,140
is one of the biggest reasons why that

619
00:27:17,140 --> 00:27:19,440
the mainstream media doesn't talk about.

620
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,900
And I was in the mainstream media for

621
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:22,580
38 years.

622
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,400
So I can tell you, I know why

623
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,240
they don't talk about it.

624
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,240
All you have to do is look at

625
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,340
the advertisers, primarily fast food and pharmaceuticals, and

626
00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:31,480
you can get your answer.

627
00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:32,740
They're not gonna talk about it.

628
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,900
It's verboten because those are the industries that

629
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:37,820
are keeping the lights on.

630
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,800
So how do we do an end run

631
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,380
around that?

632
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,500
Well, your documentary, Our Streaming Network on Shane

633
00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:47,620
TV, which I urge everybody to download.

634
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,560
But when it comes to the environmental impact,

635
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,020
you address that in one of your films

636
00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,240
or both of your films.

637
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,940
I haven't seen your newest film yet.

638
00:27:57,020 --> 00:27:57,740
I've seen clips.

639
00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:59,040
I can't wait to see the whole thing.

640
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,120
Let's check this out and talk about it

641
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:01,740
on the other side.

642
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,680
Everybody gets up in the morning and they

643
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,160
eat their bacon as if there's no problem

644
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,880
out in the world, in the countryside.

645
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:09,620
There's a tremendous problem.

646
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,080
The bacon isn't being raised on family farms

647
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,420
anymore.

648
00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:15,120
It's being raised in factory farms where animals

649
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,260
never see the light of day, where they

650
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:18,920
go from the size of your fist to

651
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,900
250 pounds in five months.

652
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:22,800
You can drive down any highway in North

653
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,180
Carolina, anywhere in Eastern North Carolina, almost one

654
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:28,820
after the other, you're going to see hog

655
00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:30,100
farm, hog farm, hog farm.

656
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:32,000
There's going to be confinement buildings and there's

657
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,060
going to be this huge cesspool that they

658
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:34,820
call a lagoon.

659
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,560
No pretty girls in bathing suits here.

660
00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:37,500
This is a cesspool.

661
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,720
They give it a name, lagoon, but it's

662
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,340
a cesspool.

663
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,900
It's full of basically untreated animal waste.

664
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:46,080
The only treatment it gets is it sits

665
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000
and ferments inside that cesspool.

666
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,240
When that cesspool fills up, they take it

667
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,080
out and they spread it and spray it

668
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,640
through the air on these fields.

669
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,060
If there's a wind blowing, it's going to

670
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:57,620
mist off and it's going to go off

671
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:58,040
the fields.

672
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,780
But even when they spray it on the

673
00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:02,480
fields, all these fields have ditches cut through

674
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,180
them to take the excess liquids that are

675
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:08,260
sprayed on them and get them off the

676
00:29:08,260 --> 00:29:09,700
field to keep the field drained.

677
00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:12,860
All of those ditches lead to rivers, wetlands,

678
00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:13,940
streams, and creeks.

679
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960
And that is from the film Speciesism, the

680
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,640
movie, which I'm very proud to say is

681
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,140
streaming on Unchained TV for free.

682
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,500
We are a 501c3 nonprofit.

683
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:28,780
We do not charge for anybody to watch

684
00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:29,400
any film.

685
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,400
You can literally download Unchained TV on your

686
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,180
phone right now for free via your app

687
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:36,500
store.

688
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:40,260
You can watch unchainedtv.com on your laptop

689
00:29:40,260 --> 00:29:44,260
and you can download Unchained TV, the streaming

690
00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,160
network on your television.

691
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,660
If you have a Samsung TV, it's right

692
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:50,380
there in the app store.

693
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,840
If you have any TV, you can use

694
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Amazon Fire Stick, Roku device, or Apple TV

695
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,080
device to download Unchained TV and check out

696
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,140
Speciesism, the movie, which is the previous film,

697
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,660
which has won many awards and which so

698
00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:08,780
many people have watched and it's changed so

699
00:30:08,780 --> 00:30:10,280
many lives.

700
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,180
So that was a clip from Speciesism, the

701
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:13,480
movie.

702
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:17,300
Since you've made that, has anything gotten better?

703
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:22,580
Have we become more aware of the horrific

704
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:25,580
impact of cows?

705
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:29,320
For example, here in California, America's largest dairy

706
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,660
state, and I have people always coming up

707
00:30:31,660 --> 00:30:33,460
to me and saying, oh, the almonds, because

708
00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:35,280
that's what the news media talks about.

709
00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:36,800
They don't talk about the fact that there

710
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,180
are millions of cows here in California and

711
00:30:39,180 --> 00:30:43,620
that their excrement is massive compared to humans.

712
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
They're much larger and that that excrement is

713
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,960
going into the rivers and streams and ending

714
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,440
up in the Pacific Ocean, which now, and

715
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,020
I live a block from the beach, there

716
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:57,000
are signs, advisory signs, do not go in

717
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,560
the water.

718
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:58,880
And why?

719
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Because of the agricultural runoff, but people don't

720
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,180
talk about it, Mark.

721
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,080
Things are changing in terms of awareness and

722
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,100
many different films and videos and your work,

723
00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:17,420
Jane, with Unchained TV and many others have

724
00:31:17,420 --> 00:31:19,640
helped spread awareness and help spread concern.

725
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:27,420
But the environmental issues are really increasingly shocking.

726
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:30,940
When I went down to North Carolina, I

727
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:33,680
really, it almost seemed like it was an

728
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,760
alien landscape.

729
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:38,600
We're talking about these facilities with thousands of

730
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,940
animals in each building, their waste falling through

731
00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:45,400
slats and the concrete floors and then being

732
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,460
flushed into these giant open pits, literally open

733
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:53,320
pits, the size of a football field or

734
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,540
more of untreated animal waste.

735
00:31:56,940 --> 00:31:59,560
It's just mind boggling.

736
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,620
And people next door have the wind just

737
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:06,660
blow right over these and right into their

738
00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:07,160
homes.

739
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,620
That's just, that just gives you a picture

740
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:15,060
of what today's animal agriculture industry really is.

741
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,000
It is so far from the farm that

742
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,740
people see on packaging and that they want

743
00:32:20,740 --> 00:32:23,060
you to believe is where animal products are

744
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:23,640
coming from.

745
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,440
But there is, I'm sorry, but there is

746
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,660
a wilful ignorance here.

747
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,760
I think you'd have to be living under

748
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,180
a rock not to understand what has happened

749
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:38,220
with agriculture.

750
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,320
You know, anybody who even occasionally glances at

751
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,680
Instagram or YouTube, much less watching in-depth

752
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560
documentaries, sees this, they just don't wanna see

753
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:49,740
it.

754
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,900
I mean, I've talked to my own, some

755
00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:57,380
good friends, relatives, who, there's a wall there.

756
00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:01,580
It's like, but who pays the price for

757
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:01,840
that?

758
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:04,180
How do we let people know that this

759
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:05,980
isn't just a personal choice?

760
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,220
First of all, when people say it's a

761
00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:09,520
personal choice, everything's a personal choice.

762
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:11,860
Driving the wrong way down the freeway is

763
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:12,580
a personal choice.

764
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Brushing your teeth in the morning is a

765
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,580
personal choice.

766
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:16,200
That doesn't mean anything.

767
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,260
But how do we get these people to

768
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:21,940
realise that this isn't just a personal choice?

769
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:26,000
It has incredible environmental impacts.

770
00:33:26,180 --> 00:33:28,380
It has impacts on the animals who are

771
00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:29,500
systematically tortured.

772
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:31,780
And it has impacts on the people who

773
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:34,640
are working in these industries who suffer so

774
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680
much psychological and physical distress from having to

775
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,280
kill animals all the time.

776
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,160
They are at the bottom of the socioeconomic

777
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,880
ladder, often former inmates who are released and

778
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,980
funnelled into these slaughterhouses or people who are

779
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:51,800
undocumented, who have no other choice.

780
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,220
And it seems like a lot of that

781
00:33:55,220 --> 00:33:57,060
goes out the window, even with people who

782
00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:59,600
are otherwise progressive and liberal.

783
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:04,120
If you try to connect it to meat

784
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,280
and dairy, they suddenly don't want to know

785
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,000
about it.

786
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,679
Well, first, of course, that's why I made

787
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,199
this film, because I hope that projects like

788
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:20,219
this, that introduce the really fascinating inner world

789
00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:25,120
of animals, that engage people's curiosity, scientific curiosity,

790
00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:27,060
sense of wonder and so forth.

791
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,940
Those, these types of projects can get people

792
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:34,480
to sit down and watch something that then

793
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:39,340
really introduces and educates and persuades, because people

794
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:41,860
aren't often willing to watch something if they

795
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:45,179
view it as, at the outset, just focused

796
00:34:45,179 --> 00:34:48,860
on say animal agriculture or speciesism.

797
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:51,659
So I hope that this is the type

798
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:55,159
of film that people can share and persuade

799
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,480
friends and family to come and see by

800
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,660
showing them the trailer and letting them know

801
00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:01,540
that it's not graphic if they ask.

802
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:05,140
But secondly, it is true that people are

803
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:07,680
stuck in their ways when it's what everyone

804
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,420
else around them does.

805
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,680
And so we do have to expect that

806
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,020
it will take a long time for a

807
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:16,880
social change and that we have to keep

808
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,700
plugging away as a loud minority of people

809
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,660
who are keeping this in the public eye,

810
00:35:26,780 --> 00:35:29,260
keeping this in public awareness, and more and

811
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,100
more people as it becomes more socially acceptable,

812
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,740
more and more people will start to make

813
00:35:35,740 --> 00:35:38,240
changes, will start to change their views, will

814
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,020
start to accept the strength of the arguments

815
00:35:41,020 --> 00:35:41,840
and ideas.

816
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,440
And it's over time that we can expect,

817
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,220
like with many other social changes, a tipping

818
00:35:48,220 --> 00:35:48,620
point.

819
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,060
But it will be a while of grabbing

820
00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:55,860
the people who are willing to update their

821
00:35:55,860 --> 00:35:57,960
views in accordance with the arguments and the

822
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,300
evidence.

823
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,460
And once again, I thank you for sharing

824
00:36:01,460 --> 00:36:03,300
about this video if you're watching on social

825
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:03,640
media.

826
00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:06,340
And if you're watching on our Unchained TV

827
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:09,080
streaming network, you can see right there, there

828
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,540
is the video.

829
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,300
You just click and you watch from, this

830
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:16,440
is a Samsung TV, but again, you can

831
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,640
watch from any television.

832
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:19,560
And I urge you to share it out

833
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,980
because what we are doing is equivalent to

834
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:28,740
living in, let's say the 19th century in

835
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:33,620
a fascist regime and trying to use a

836
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:37,440
printing press to get the word out under

837
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,740
the cover of darkness and dark alleys.

838
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,300
The powers that be don't want this information

839
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:45,160
disseminated.

840
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,260
So we have to go to extraordinary lengths.

841
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:52,340
Somebody who I admire a lot recently said,

842
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,940
if every single person who is vegan became

843
00:36:54,940 --> 00:36:58,400
an activist, we could achieve animal liberation overnight.

844
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,720
Do you agree with that?

845
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:04,680
That's a very powerful statement.

846
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,200
I think there's a lot of untapped potential

847
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,080
where each one of us as individuals has

848
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,700
a tremendous amount of power to have an

849
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,480
influence on the people around us.

850
00:37:18,740 --> 00:37:22,140
Whether it's what we're sharing on social media,

851
00:37:22,260 --> 00:37:25,800
if it's donating the percentage that we can

852
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,720
if it's handing out leaflets.

853
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,400
When you look at the millions of people

854
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,140
who care about this, it would be tremendous

855
00:37:35,140 --> 00:37:39,500
if even a small fraction more did more

856
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,840
to spread the word.

857
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640
And that includes donating, by the way.

858
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,220
I used to go to Starbucks down the

859
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:48,420
street from me to get coffee and I

860
00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:51,620
realised that those coffees are like $3 now.

861
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:53,580
And if I just had coffee at home,

862
00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:58,020
I'd have like $100 more a month to

863
00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:01,460
donate to effective work to educate people about

864
00:38:01,460 --> 00:38:01,740
animals.

865
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,600
So I encourage people also to think about

866
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,200
whether they can become monthly donors of effective

867
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,480
organisations working on farmed animal issues.

868
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,100
So all of those things collectively really do

869
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:12,980
make a difference.

870
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,800
We're seeing it make a difference, but it's

871
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,440
absolutely true that many of us feel like

872
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,220
there's only a little bit we can do.

873
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,960
And when they realise that every one of

874
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
us can really make a difference.

875
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,360
When you persuade someone to make a change

876
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,420
in their diet, that can save dozens or

877
00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:29,640
hundreds of animals.

878
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,740
Thousands of animals over a lifetime.

879
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,620
Oh, and in a life over a lifetime.

880
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:37,080
In fact, it might save hundreds of animals

881
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,120
with one hamburger because when you eat fast

882
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,140
food hamburgers, it's not one cow you're eating.

883
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,260
You're eating animal parts from sometimes thousands of

884
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:47,280
different animals because it's all mushed together.

885
00:38:47,580 --> 00:38:50,000
And just the thought of that is so

886
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,620
nauseating.

887
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:53,580
I can't even imagine somebody wanting to do

888
00:38:53,580 --> 00:38:53,740
that.

889
00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:57,300
We've got another caller, Michael in Los Angeles.

890
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,960
Do you want your free ticket?

891
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,160
We're actually gonna increase it.

892
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,220
We've already hit five.

893
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,540
We're gonna increase it to six.

894
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,620
And what is your question?

895
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,980
Oh yes, I would love that Jane.

896
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:09,740
Thank you so much.

897
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,240
Yeah, first I just wanna tell Mark, thank

898
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,140
you for making this film.

899
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,580
And I love the picture of your face

900
00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:18,740
in this first with the gorilla.

901
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Very powerful and eye-catching.

902
00:39:22,820 --> 00:39:25,060
But my question is, will the film be

903
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:27,300
available to stream in the future?

904
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,840
Because I want to have my friends and

905
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,420
family that are not digging yet to see

906
00:39:31,420 --> 00:39:31,900
this film.

907
00:39:32,540 --> 00:39:34,360
And I think if it was available to

908
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,180
stream, especially maybe on Unchained TV, I could

909
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:39,440
easily send it to them and they could

910
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:39,940
watch it.

911
00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:40,700
Thank you so much.

912
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Thanks, Jane.

913
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,560
Thanks for that plug, but I'll leave it

914
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,920
to Mark to answer that question.

915
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:51,120
Yes, streaming platforms will definitely be where it

916
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,520
reaches the most people.

917
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:58,360
And based upon the trailer that people will

918
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,060
watch on the page that the movie's on

919
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,980
on the streaming platforms, that should encourage people

920
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:06,460
who are not already interested in this issue

921
00:40:06,460 --> 00:40:08,880
to be curious and to be excited to

922
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,220
see it.

923
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,420
It's really aimed at catching people's attention, like

924
00:40:12,420 --> 00:40:16,900
you mentioned with the poster and similarly with

925
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:17,400
the trailer.

926
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,620
So it'll be on streaming platforms sometime a

927
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:25,520
little bit after the premieres, like a month

928
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,840
or so after the initial premieres.

929
00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:31,960
And you can get an email when it's

930
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,140
available on streaming platforms if you go to

931
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:40,440
the film's website, humansandotheranimalsmovie.com.

932
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,920
And of course, for people who are in

933
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,860
New York City, where the world premiere will

934
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,180
be Los Angeles, where the West Coast premiere

935
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:52,100
will be San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas, Boston or

936
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:56,800
Philadelphia, please bring your friends and family members

937
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,580
to the screening.

938
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,980
It's an entertaining movie to watch and it's

939
00:41:00,980 --> 00:41:03,960
not a too graphic movie to watch.

940
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,360
And I hope by striking that balance, but

941
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,880
still really educating people, bringing the ideas to

942
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,340
the forefront, it can help change friends and

943
00:41:13,340 --> 00:41:15,340
family members' thoughts.

944
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:19,660
Yeah, I would urge everybody who's coming, all

945
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:22,120
the six people who are getting free tickets

946
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,660
to the LA premiere from Unchained TV, bring

947
00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:28,920
a non-vegan or a pre-vegan.

948
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:31,120
And if you do that, we'll buy their

949
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:31,740
ticket too.

950
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,220
So that is a call to action right

951
00:41:35,220 --> 00:41:35,440
there.

952
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
I think all those folks are still watching.

953
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:40,280
You will get an additional free ticket if

954
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,800
you bring a pre-vegan to see it.

955
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
I will definitely bring a pre-vegan to

956
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:46,180
see it.

957
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,080
And I wanna say, I wanna give a

958
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,560
shout out to Mark personally because he has,

959
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,800
as I mentioned before, given us Speciesism, the

960
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,960
movie to stream.

961
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,640
And so that's an act of generosity.

962
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:01,280
He's not paid for that.

963
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:04,400
We are a 501c3 nonprofit.

964
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,380
We do not charge anybody to watch any

965
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:06,920
of our films.

966
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,040
And we are mostly volunteer run.

967
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:10,480
I don't take a salary.

968
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,840
This is a labour of love to basically

969
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,240
get people to wake up because the clock

970
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:18,800
is ticking.

971
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,640
I've also done a documentary called Countdown to

972
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,800
Year Zero, which is also streaming on Unchained

973
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:24,140
TV.

974
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,040
And we profile the work of Dr. Silas

975
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,260
Rao, who had said that we only have

976
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:32,500
less than a decade to transition to a

977
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,080
global plant-based culture or we will essentially

978
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,260
burst through the few boundaries that exist that

979
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:43,540
once you cross to the other side, there

980
00:42:43,540 --> 00:42:44,540
is no turning back.

981
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,240
And that's just not me or him saying

982
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:46,420
it.

983
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:49,900
Sir David Attenborough, speaking of documentaries, has a

984
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:50,860
wonderful documentary.

985
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,780
I believe it's on Netflix called Breaking Boundaries.

986
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:55,080
Those boundaries.

987
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,200
In other words, once the ice caps melt,

988
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,820
you can't go on amazon.com and order

989
00:42:59,820 --> 00:43:00,580
new ice caps.

990
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:02,600
It's game over for the ice caps.

991
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,460
And the impact of that is extraordinary.

992
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,540
Once we wipe out all species, we are

993
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:09,860
going to experience an ecological collapse that is

994
00:43:09,860 --> 00:43:11,860
going to come back and fight us every

995
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:12,320
day.

996
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,680
I wake up just this morning, Hurricane Beryl

997
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,140
hitting Jamaica and fires in Northern California.

998
00:43:21,540 --> 00:43:23,800
And the other day it was flooding in

999
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,460
the Midwest.

1000
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:26,820
And you see all this, what I call

1001
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:30,140
catastrophe porn on mainstream media.

1002
00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:33,640
But then when we offer a solution, they

1003
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:34,880
refuse to cover it.

1004
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,480
And we only have a couple of minutes,

1005
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,940
but I wanna ask you about that, Mark.

1006
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,840
The New York Times recently had an article

1007
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,500
that said, an Oxford University study showed that

1008
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,340
heavy meat eaters, which is most Americans, who

1009
00:43:47,340 --> 00:43:49,660
switch to a plant-based diet can reduce

1010
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:53,020
their greenhouse gas emissions by more than 75%.

1011
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,880
And I said, surely, well, that's in the

1012
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,500
New York Times.

1013
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:58,860
That's a solution to climate change right there.

1014
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,220
If we all did it, we'd all collectively

1015
00:44:01,220 --> 00:44:06,140
reduce our collective greenhouse gas emissions footprint by

1016
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:07,000
75%.

1017
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,060
Nobody covered it.

1018
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,600
Not CNN, not MSNBC, nobody else covered it.

1019
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,260
Shame on them, to be sorry to say,

1020
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:17,500
but that is a journalistic lapse.

1021
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:24,220
You know, yeah, it's not just animals that

1022
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:26,720
we impact with our food choices.

1023
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920
The environmental impacts are profound.

1024
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
You mentioned climate impacts.

1025
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,060
There are also local environmental impacts.

1026
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:38,400
People who live near these facilities being forced

1027
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,520
to breathe in these toxic fumes like ammonia

1028
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,480
and hydrogen sulphide, people getting sick from fine

1029
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,840
particulate matter in the air, manure ending up

1030
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,260
in people's water.

1031
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:59,080
And this is really catastrophic on so many

1032
00:44:59,080 --> 00:44:59,640
levels.

1033
00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:04,120
But what's powerful is that as more and

1034
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,600
more people are standing up and are making

1035
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,520
changes with their own diets and are acting,

1036
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:17,860
they are speaking with individuals, they are doing

1037
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:20,900
protests, they're sharing things on social media, they're

1038
00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:24,180
donating more, they're giving out flyers, they're inviting

1039
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:26,400
friends and family members to film screenings.

1040
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,280
This is what collectively allows each person whose

1041
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,340
impact is already substantial in terms of reducing

1042
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:38,300
damage to the climate, reducing the amount of

1043
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,060
animals forced to live in these facilities, reducing

1044
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:43,960
the amount of chemicals that people have to

1045
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,580
breathe who live near these facilities.

1046
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:50,280
You can double, triple, quadruple and so on

1047
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200
your impact as you share this information.

1048
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,520
So it's really about not just making the

1049
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,680
choices on your own, but standing up and

1050
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,300
being part of effective efforts to change policy

1051
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:09,420
and to change people's own behaviour around you.

1052
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:11,800
Yeah, and I do agree.

1053
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,260
I think if every vegan turned into a

1054
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:19,960
very determined activist, I think we could hit

1055
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,960
the tipping point much more quickly.

1056
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,420
And as we wrap up, I wanna urge

1057
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:27,180
everybody again, download Unchained TV.

1058
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:29,340
So it's a vegan Netflix.

1059
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,540
Okay, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1060
00:46:31,540 --> 00:46:32,800
I love Unchained TV.

1061
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,820
Unchained, Unchained TV.

1062
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,780
Your life will change.

1063
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:36,980
It's just that easy.

1064
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:39,780
Unchained TV has all sorts of content for

1065
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:40,240
everybody.

1066
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:42,720
Unchained TV changed my life.

1067
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:45,820
Unchained TV is crushing it.

1068
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:47,500
I love Unchained TV.

1069
00:46:47,500 --> 00:46:49,520
Unchained TV is my go-to.

1070
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:51,600
Unchained TV, who knew?

1071
00:46:51,980 --> 00:47:01,720
I wanna thank Mark

1072
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,240
DeVries for coming on.

1073
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,080
He is a very busy man.

1074
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,260
And wow, you give me inspiration.

1075
00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:11,820
I will say this, last night I was

1076
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:13,720
getting really tired and I knew I had

1077
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,180
to publish another article and I didn't wanna

1078
00:47:17,180 --> 00:47:18,300
review that article.

1079
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,960
But after watching the clip of you saying

1080
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that you basically gave up your plans to

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go to law school, which you later finished.

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And you are an attorney among many other

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things.

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You're an overachiever.

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And I looked at that clip and I

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go, what am I complaining about?

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Let me get this article published, which I

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did.

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So you've personally inspired me to give it

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my all.

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And also Ingrid Newkirk who said, we can't

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afford to have burnout.

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We can't afford to say, because the clock

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is ticking.

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So I will be at the July premiere.

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We are going to have a nice group

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of Unchained TV supporters at the July premiere.

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We urge everybody in New York and all

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around the country to go to, it's very,

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very simple.

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Just go to Humans and Other Animals Movie.

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Humansandotheranimalsmovie.com, humansandotheranimalsmovie.com and get your

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tickets and let's change the world together.

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We can do it.

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Thanks again, Mark.

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See you next time.

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Thank you.

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And I look forward to seeing you all

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at the premieres.

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And there's a Q&A afterwards.

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So you'll really get to hear.

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I will see you there.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Talk to you soon.

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Bye.