UnchainedTV: Passing Laws to Save Animals!

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We have breaking news to tell you about.

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Unfortunately, there is a war on the octopus.

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This beautiful, sensitive, intelligent sea creature who belongs

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in the wild, in the ocean, is now

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the target of people who, motivated by greed,

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want to create octopus farms.

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And there's a move to create octopus farms

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in Spain and other locations.

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What does that have to do with California?

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Well, California is the fifth largest economy in

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the nation, bigger than many, many other countries,

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about to become the fourth largest economy.

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So if California says hell no to octopus

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farming, then maybe these little guys, or big

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guys, have a chance.

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And so there is an incredible organisation that

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is working to stop the farming of octopus,

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the abuse of octopus, with the OCTO Act.

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But they need your help.

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They can't do it alone.

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I am talking about Social Compassion and Legislation,

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a high-powered organisation run by Judy Mancuso.

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You see her there, centre stage.

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She is always at the Capitol in Sacramento

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with large groups of caring Californians fighting to

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ban cruelty across the board.

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And she is a force of nature in

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Sacramento, and she's here with us today.

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Judy Mancuso, it is an honour.

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Tell us about your efforts to pass the

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OCTO Act and save the octopus.

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Well, Jane, as you know, factory farming is

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cruel, and there is enough of it already.

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And there are attempts right now, pilot programmes

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in other countries, to begin factory farming octopus.

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And so proactively, because we know that, you

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know, once this gets established, they'll be coming

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to California to start this cruel factory farming.

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So this bill proactively will prohibit these farms

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in California.

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And that is super important.

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Nick Sackett, you are the legislative director.

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They often say what happens in California spreads

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to the rest of the nation and then

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the rest of the world.

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So tell us about the ripple effect of

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this OCTO Act if it passes.

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Unmute yourself.

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Thank you, Jane.

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Sorry about that.

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A rookie mistake.

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Yeah, as you said, as California goes, so

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goes the nation.

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To be fair, we also have to give

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credit to our neighbours to the north in

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Washington, who actually just passed this same exact

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policy.

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And so we're hoping to get it in

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California.

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We imagine that Oregon will be next and

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possibly other coastal states after that.

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Yeah, so this is breaking news.

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And why it's important, Nick, is that you

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can't do it alone.

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You need people to go to social compassion

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legislation.

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And this organisation is really the organisation that

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goes there and gets sponsors and does the

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in the weeds difficult work of being on

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Capitol Hill, Sacramento Capitol Hill, the state legislature,

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talking to these state assembly members and these

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state senators.

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And they will do it if enough people

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write them letters.

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Is this not true?

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That's right.

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We're seeing a lot of support for this

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bill.

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So far, assembly members have been very receptive

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to the policy.

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We've gotten both Republican and Democratic votes on

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the bill thus far, but we need continued

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support from everybody out there to make sure

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that their representatives hear from them.

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Well, this is just a no brainer.

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My God, what have we become as a

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society where we're fighting the factory farming, the

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concentrated animal feeding operations that imprison cows, pigs,

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chickens, turkeys, and lambs.

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They're not content with that.

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Now they wanna start imprisoning octopus.

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I mean, it's truly upsetting.

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And it seems like despite the environmental consequences

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of all of these concentrated animal prisons essentially,

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the powers that be don't get it.

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They don't get that it's killing not just

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these animals, but it's killing our environment.

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Well, that's why it's so important to do

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this preemptive strike on it.

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Because obviously when you look at where we

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are with cows and pigs and all the

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other farm animals, with billions being killed a

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year, this is something that we get to

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prevent from happening before it gets started in

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our state.

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And people wanna just stop CAFOs, these high

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volume farms from existing, which is a big

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hill to climb.

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So once the agriculture gets started to undo

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it, unwind the clock is next to impossible.

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But the fact that we can prevent it

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from ever getting started, that's real progress.

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And what I have to say is that

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everybody needs to join in if this bothers

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you, just write this down.

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You have to write down the website you

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need to go to and you have to

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write down the act that you wanna sign.

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And where you need to go is Social

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Compassion and Legislation.

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And you're gonna see in just a second,

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grab your pen, check it out, socialcompassionandlegislation.org.

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You can sign up there.

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You get a newsletter that tells you about

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all the various crises involving animals.

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And what's really good about it is you

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don't have to do any heavy lifting.

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It's all done for you.

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All you have to do is click a

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button and it sends a letter to all

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sorts of legislators.

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So the key is for you to sign

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up, go to socialcompassionandlegislation.org and sign up.

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And I just wanna say, I've worked with

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Judy Mancuso and Nick Sackett and all these

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folks for a long time.

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Unchained TV, which is the world's only vegan

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streaming television network right there behind me, has

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gone to the Sacramento Capitol and really covered

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a lot of these events.

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And so we have a video and photos

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of them in action which I will show

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you because Judy gets around.

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She will talk about how she passed the

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pet lover's licence plate before in a second.

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But there she is holding news conferences in

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front of the Sacramento Capitol building, gathering with

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large groups of people that she mobilises from

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all over the state.

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And they have, at this point, sponsored more

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than 60 pieces of legislation and 25 of

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them have been signed into law, which is

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an incredible track record.

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Judy, what is your secret sauce?

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How is it that you're able to do

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all this?

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Well, and actually as of this year, we

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are at 70 pieces of legislation.

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Well, the secret is hard work, but it's

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also longevity and getting a reputation at the

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Capitol that we are a group to trust

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and work with.

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So I founded the group and Jane, you

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were there at the founding in 2007.

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And so for 17 years, we have been

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doing legislation at the state Capitol and even

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in the state of New York, thanks to

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you.

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And so it's hard work, it's integrity, keeping

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your word.

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It's also having a presence that when these

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legislators work with you, they know that you

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have a lot of support behind you.

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We had a fundraising event at the end

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of last year and one of the assembly

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members said, and this was the biggest compliment

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we could ever get.

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She said that when there's the analysis on,

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an animal bill, she looks to see who

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is supporting the legislation and who's opposed.

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And based on where our name shows up,

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that's the way that she votes because she

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knows that she can align with us and

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that we're on the right side of the

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animals every time.

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All right, we've got callers lining up.

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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas.

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Your question or thought for our incredible panel

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from Social Compassion and Legislation.

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Hi, if it's not enough to torture and

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kill trillions, trillions of individuals on the land

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and in the ocean, what has spurred an

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interest in octopus exploitation?

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Did it start in Spain?

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Nick, you wanna handle that backstory?

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Sure, well, unfortunately, demand for octopus is rising

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around the world.

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And so this company in Spain saw that

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as an opportunity to make money if they

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could figure out how to farm them.

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They are trying their darndest to do so.

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Our hope is that they never figure it

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out and that these animals never have to

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suffer at the hands of factory farming.

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But in the event that they do, we're

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here to pass a bill in California that

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prevents it.

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And I also wanna add that the bill

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bans the sale of farmed octopus in California.

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So even if the octopus are being farmed

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in Spain, they won't be able to sell

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it into California.

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And that's super important because as I mentioned,

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California is the fifth largest economy in the

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entire world.

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So if you're blocked from being in California,

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that already puts your product at a disadvantage.

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And that's something, of course, that came up

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recently with Prop 12.

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The California voters have overwhelmingly passed two major

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propositions to help animals.

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Prop 2, which went into effect in 2015,

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it said farmed animals have to have the

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ability to turn around and move.

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And Prop 12, which expanded that and talked

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about pig gestation crates.

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One of the problems, Judy, is that none

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of it has resulted in any prosecutions.

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So there are critics who say it's not

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being enforced.

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What are your thoughts on that, Judy?

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Well, my thought is that enforcement is lacking

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across the board with anything and everything that

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has to do with animals.

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And it's something that we have been discussing

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for quite some time and would like to

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look into, are looking into some ways to

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resolve that.

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But my point that I make is we

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can't enforce it if it's not on the

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books.

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So for our group, it's hard enough to

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get these laws passed.

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Sometimes they take multiple years to get passed.

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So our effort is to get them into

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law and then do our best to see

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that the enforcement is made.

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And we do, we work with local jurisdictions

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and individuals and at the state level.

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But again, with this particular bill being preemptive,

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that we won't have to worry about enforcement

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because it will prohibit these factory farms from

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ever getting started.

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So it really is such a winner.

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So once again, if you're watching, you can

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help.

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They can't do it alone.

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It really boils down to the number of

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letters and calls they get.

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These politicians need to be able to have

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cover.

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They need to have cover.

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And so if they get thousands of emails,

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they can feel confident that they're not risking

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their political futures by standing up for this

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bill.

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So you can help pass AB3162, the OCTO

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Act.

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This is breaking news.

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California can preemptively stop octopus farms from happening

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across the world by basically making it unprofitable.

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I mean, essentially, California, the fifth largest economy

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of the world, about to become the fourth

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largest.

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If you can't sell here, and that applies

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also to the pig gestation crate issue, where

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Prop 12 says, you can't sell in California

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pig products, which is pork and ham, et

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cetera, that comes from pigs who were kept

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in crates the size of their bodies, never

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able to turn around, basically coffins for living

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beings.

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But that is a question of enforcement.

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In this case, in the octopus case, if

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they pass the OCTO Act and it prevents

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these octopus farms from even opening because they

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decide, well, we're not gonna be able to

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make a lot of money.

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We won't be able to get into California.

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California is really big.

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Now we've got other states as well copying

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California.

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Let's forget about it.

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And that's what they're hoping will happen.

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So it's up to everybody watching.

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It's so easy.

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All you need to do is go to

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socialcompassionandlegislation.org four words, socialcompassionandlegislation

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.org.

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You sign up and you help.

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And there's a whole bunch of bills.

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We're gonna get to some of the others.

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Again, this is an organisation that has been

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so successful at passing bills for animals.

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My little rescue's here.

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We're gonna talk about her in a second.

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But first, let's go to another call.

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We got Michelle in Los Angeles.

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Your question or thought for our panel.

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Hi, well, I wanna say thank you so

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much for all you do.

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I was wondering what kind of pushback do

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you get from actually getting these bills passed?

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Well, it depends on which bill and it

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attracts different types of opposition.

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And depending on what bill we address next,

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I can tell you what type of opposition.

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For this octopus bill, we really have not

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gotten any pushback.

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It's been pretty supportive because we're not affecting

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existing industry here.

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So the pushback we get is when we're

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trying to change a particular industry as with

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our 4-H bill that has to do

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with ag and our RVT bill that has

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to do with the veterinary industry.

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So it all depends on which bill and

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what industry.

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But again, the beauty of this particular bill

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is that this farming hasn't taken hold yet

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in California.

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So we're not fighting an existing industry.

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We're preventing one from ever getting its foot

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in the door.

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And hopefully this will stop any plans from

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octopus farming in Spain and other regions and

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shame on them for even thinking about that.

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It's vile, it's disgusting.

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And we just had an award-winning film

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about octopus talking about their intelligence and their

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sensitivity.

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Of course, all animals are intelligent and sensitive,

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but I wish you the very best.

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I personally sign up to socialcompassionlegislation.org and

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I actually have a lot of fun because

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sometimes they say, call your legislators and I've

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had really interesting conversations.

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People sometimes think it's a waste of time.

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It's not a waste of time.

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People, they do, they say, I'll tell my

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manager and it does go up the chain

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because only people who really care bother to

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call.

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We've got, speaking of callers, another caller online,

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Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought

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for social compassion and legislation.

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Yes, thank you, Jane.

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And thank you, Julian, Nick, for all that

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you've done for the animals.

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And I wanted to ask you, have you

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noticed that more folks in the legislature are

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more aware of the horrors of factory farming

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and more willing to support stuff or is

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it still the same battle it's always been?

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Well, Big Ag has a death grip on

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cattle.

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California, so we are seeing a change for

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legislators backing dogs and cats legislation but the

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Ag community is very active and I can

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give it to Nick to talk about some

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latest opposition letter we got from many in

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the Ag industry, go ahead, Nick.

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Sure, I think to build off what Judy

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was saying is the one issue with agriculture

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bills moving through the legislature to protect animals

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is that both Democrats and Republicans are in

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agricultural districts.

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And so while you see a lot of

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separation on other issues between Democrats and Republicans

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on animal protection, particularly for farmed animals, you

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see actually Democrats and Republicans uniting against us.

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So it's really tough to get any kind

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of farm protections for animals through the state.

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We just got a letter from the Agriculture

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Teachers Association and the Western Fairs Association opposing

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our bill that would have simply allowed 4

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-H and FFA kids to save their animal

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from slaughter, would not have stopped them from

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sending to slaughter if that's what they chose

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to do but was simply giving them an

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opt out and it was strong opposition and

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Big Ag unfortunately won that battle.

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So that was just a recent example of

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how difficult it is to get these kinds

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of bills through Sacramento.

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Well, I wanna talk a little bit about

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another bill that you have.

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And the reason I have my dog Wednesday

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here is that Wednesday is an example and

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the most adorable, sensitive, intelligent, funny, charming little

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beauty you've ever seen, somebody tried to dump

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her at a shelter and the shelter was

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so full they said, just take her and

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put her back where you found her.

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And luckily, luckily there was a rescuer there

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and she heard this and she said, I'll

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take her.

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And then she contacted me through the proper

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channels of their nonprofit organisation and I adopted

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her along with my other dog who I

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will introduce to you later.

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But to me, that said everything.

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When the shelter system is saying, take this

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beautiful animal, this young girl and just throw

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her back where you found her, shame on

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them.

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I mean, she's living the life now, but

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this little angel could have been out on

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the street.

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God only knows what would have happened to

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her.

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She could have been hit by a car.

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She could have been sold for a laboratory

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experimentation.

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She could have been picked up by somebody

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who was abusive.

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We're California.

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We are California.

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This is an outrage.

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And I know you have legislation regarding cats

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and spay neuter, Judy, but you say that

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it affects all animals.

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So tell us a little bit about that

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bill and what we can do to support

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that bill.

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Thank you.

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So that bill is AB 2133.

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Which would allow a registered veterinary technician to

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perform a cat neuter.

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So this is kind of an abstract thing

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for some folks.

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So let me just kind of bring it

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home.

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So in the state of California, the data

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hasn't been out there and we're doing another

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bill to make shelters have to report all

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this data to our department of health.

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But the numbers that we had at one

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time that were solid were we were bringing

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in over 900,000 animals and killing over

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half.

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And a big percentage of the animals that

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were being euthanised in shelters are cats.

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And cats proliferate.

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They can have babies all year round.

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Some states where it gets freezing cold in

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the winter time, cats don't make it through

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the winter there.

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But with our weather conditions, outdoor cats can

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proliferate year round and they do.

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So what we need is we need more

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spaying and neutering.

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And there is a lack of veterinarians in

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our state.

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There's a lack of veterinarians across the United

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States.

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There's also what we have licenced here in

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the state of California is registered veterinary technicians.

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These RVTs are already allowed to do dental

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extractions, dental cleaning on dogs and cats, which

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is a much bigger procedure than a cat

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neuter.

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So what we thought to help, we had

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a big stakeholders meeting of over 30 folks

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that were in, that were vets, RVTs, rescue

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community, everyone who is trying to help solve

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this and touches this situation, this issue.

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And by far it's, we need a greater

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volume of spay and neuter.

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So one of the places that we can

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get this is to be able to allow

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RVTs to do a cat neuter.

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Why?

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Because it's a simple procedure.

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It doesn't take that long.

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And this would increase the volume of overall

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spay and neuter and alleviate at least this

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piece like dental surgeries and extractions from the

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veterinarian so they can do the more complicated

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spay surgeries.

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So it directly impacts the pet overpopulation because

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cats overwhelmingly are being euthanised in so much

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greater numbers than dogs.

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And procreate so much greater than dogs as

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well.

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Now, let me just say a couple of

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things about that.

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Being here in California and experiencing, here's my

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other rescue, Sunday.

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And she was found running on the streets

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in the rain in Arleta.

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Neither one of the dogs that I've adopted

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were spayed, neither had chips, neither had collars.

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There were all sorts of efforts made to

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find the human companion for Sunday here and

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no success.

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And so through an organisation, I adopted her.

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And the idea that these animals are running

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loose on the street, we all, many of

510
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us have visited third world nations, nations where

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there aren't as many resources, where animals are

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running wild.

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And we go, oh, isn't this terrible?

514
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Dogs all over the street, cats all over

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the street.

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It's happening here in California.

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It is an out of control problem and

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a shame on California.

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So I agree with you with the cats.

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There's even like a diagram that shows one

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cat unspayed can become thousands of cats within

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a very short period of time.

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And personally, I've contacted organisations like Stray Cat

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Alliance.

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00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:16,250
We had a stray cat back here.

526
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We did a trap, neuter and release.

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And now she basically lives with a neighbour.

528
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And you'll see the notch in her ear

529
00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:24,830
that shows that she was neutered.

530
00:26:25,550 --> 00:26:29,150
Why is it that it's so hard for

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00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:35,730
otherwise intelligent politicians to realise what any child

532
00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:36,890
could figure out?

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00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:39,590
It's a lot cheaper to spay one animal

534
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than to see that animal produce a thousand

535
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stray animals and then kill all those animals.

536
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:49,190
I mean, it's just dumb not to do

537
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:49,890
spay neuter.

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00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:54,890
I just don't get why California doesn't take

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care of this.

540
00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:57,030
This shouldn't be a problem, Nick.

541
00:26:58,490 --> 00:27:00,750
Yeah, while you're preaching to the choir, Jane,

542
00:27:01,470 --> 00:27:04,490
it's difficult to get folks to spend money

543
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:05,470
on prevention.

544
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:08,730
It's always about plugging the holes after the

545
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:11,970
fact, which is why we've gotten to this

546
00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:13,310
crisis that we're in.

547
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:17,890
So as Judy said, unfortunately, we're seeing pushback

548
00:27:17,890 --> 00:27:24,150
from the Veterinary Association and the board that

549
00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:25,010
regulates.

550
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:27,650
Wait, because they wanna make money doing the

551
00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:28,350
spay neuters?

552
00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:29,310
Why would they care?

553
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:33,550
I mean, you know, their intentions are, you

554
00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:37,130
know, they claim that it's dangerous that only

555
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:39,470
veterinarians can do these procedures.

556
00:27:39,910 --> 00:27:44,490
To Judy's point, RVPs are already doing dental

557
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:45,330
extractions.

558
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:48,250
They're already administering anaesthesia.

559
00:27:48,670 --> 00:27:52,230
They're already allowed to make incisions to help

560
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:52,710
the vet.

561
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:54,610
They're allowed to sew things up.

562
00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:58,690
So they can do the compartmental parts of

563
00:27:58,690 --> 00:28:00,070
a cat neuter.

564
00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:02,850
We just wanna say, hey, let's let them

565
00:28:02,850 --> 00:28:04,110
do the entire thing together.

566
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:07,350
Now, our bill would require training and these

567
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:10,170
RVTs would have to be doing these procedures

568
00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:14,950
under the direct supervision of their supervising veterinarian.

569
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:17,530
So if something were to go wrong, their

570
00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:21,150
veterinarian is on premises to jump in immediately.

571
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:23,890
So we think that their fears are a

572
00:28:23,890 --> 00:28:24,650
little overblown.

573
00:28:24,730 --> 00:28:27,550
I see people commenting, that's right, Jane.

574
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:30,250
It's happening all over, spay neuter.

575
00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:34,710
You know, no kill doesn't mean no kill.

576
00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:38,590
All sorts of people, but every single person,

577
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:41,450
if you really wanna see that happen, please

578
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:42,850
sign up.

579
00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:46,430
If you go, while you're watching, you could

580
00:28:46,430 --> 00:28:48,350
just open a new window and go to

581
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:51,150
socialcompassionandlegislation.org, okay?

582
00:28:51,570 --> 00:28:53,570
And it's very easy to sign up.

583
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:55,930
How easy is it to sign up so

584
00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:57,890
that you get the alerts, which I get,

585
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:59,850
and I'm always filling them out.

586
00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:01,010
It takes five seconds.

587
00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:04,410
I send a letter to my representatives, both

588
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:07,250
the state legislature, the state assembly and the

589
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:07,790
state Senate.

590
00:29:08,190 --> 00:29:09,910
And it's very easy.

591
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:11,250
How easy have you made it, Judy?

592
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:14,860
Judy?

593
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,380
Yes, very easy.

594
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,380
And I see that Michelle, who asked us

595
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:22,720
a question earlier, just signed up.

596
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:26,380
I get emails when people go to the

597
00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:27,440
site and sign up.

598
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,680
So thank you, Michelle, and hoping to see

599
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,480
many more.

600
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,360
So what happens is when people go to

601
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,720
our website and sign up, they then pick

602
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,740
which bills they want to support.

603
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:46,400
Or there's a check box to support all

604
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,040
the bills.

605
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,560
And then two things happen.

606
00:29:50,860 --> 00:29:55,260
One, when it's time for these bills to

607
00:29:55,260 --> 00:30:00,640
move to the various committees, we generate the

608
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,740
support letters and their name goes on that,

609
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,600
and it gets uploaded to the state's portal.

610
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,860
And that's something that Nick does for us

611
00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:13,180
as part of his lobbying job.

612
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:16,520
And it goes up to the portal.

613
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:22,340
And then that file of all those support

614
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:26,760
letters stays with the bill and we update

615
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,920
it as it goes.

616
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280
So it becomes a part of the permanent

617
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,100
record for the bill.

618
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,900
And this matters a lot, because if you

619
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:42,140
only have 10 people in support of your

620
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:46,080
bill and 50 people in opposition, it's not

621
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,360
gonna look very good.

622
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:53,020
But when we have 1,300 supporters and

623
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:58,780
40 organisations in support, and there's two groups,

624
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,240
maybe an opposition, that is really important.

625
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:07,100
And it's something that the legislators and their

626
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,680
staff go straight to when that analysis comes

627
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,000
out for the bill, they go straight to

628
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,100
that support and opposition to see who's there.

629
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,580
So it's extremely important.

630
00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:23,480
And I want your viewers to know that

631
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:30,820
we will never, ever share their information, copy

632
00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:32,200
it, give it to anyone.

633
00:31:32,420 --> 00:31:33,680
We don't do that.

634
00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,320
That when they sign up at our site,

635
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,700
it is only used for the bills that

636
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:44,120
they select to support those bills during this

637
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,720
legislative session.

638
00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,880
And then when next year starts and there's

639
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,540
new bills, we need people to sign up

640
00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:55,260
all over again, because we don't keep those.

641
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,700
We then have a new set of bills

642
00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:59,860
that people have to sign up for.

643
00:31:59,980 --> 00:32:02,780
So if someone signed up two years ago,

644
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,180
that is not active right now.

645
00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:08,980
We need them to sign up again, because

646
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:13,100
it's only pertinent to now this set of

647
00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:14,200
bills this year.

648
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,380
So I hope that makes sense.

649
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,100
It's a little complicated, but it matters.

650
00:32:20,540 --> 00:32:23,180
Heather Michael Lugmeyer says, done.

651
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,020
Yay, thank you, Heather.

652
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,240
And I say, if you really care, sign

653
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,900
up, because people spend so much time beating

654
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:31,380
their chest.

655
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,440
This is terrible, this octopus farming.

656
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,000
And the fact that there's all these stray

657
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960
cats, well, take all that energy and just

658
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,380
go to socialcompassionandlegislation.org and just sign up.

659
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,300
That's a much better use of your energy

660
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:48,420
than just complaining generally about how terrible things

661
00:32:48,420 --> 00:32:49,100
are.

662
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,420
Because these folks here are really expert in

663
00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,360
getting these laws passed.

664
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,480
I wanna go to one of your big

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,180
success stories.

666
00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:02,500
And that was an event that I attended

667
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:03,560
in 2018.

668
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:08,600
And here they are, the Cruelty-Free Cosmetics

669
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:09,300
Act.

670
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:10,900
Now you work with a bunch of other

671
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:14,260
groups, including PETA and Physicians Committee for Responsible

672
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:17,260
Medicine, but there was SCIL, Social Compassion and

673
00:33:17,260 --> 00:33:18,840
Legislation, front and centre.

674
00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:21,040
This was a major victory.

675
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:24,480
There's the movie star Alicia Silverstone, who was

676
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,620
there, a huge group of people that you

677
00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:27,240
mobilised.

678
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,220
I came up there.

679
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,060
It was quite an event.

680
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,180
This gives you an example of what social

681
00:33:32,180 --> 00:33:36,920
compassion and legislation does to pass these bills.

682
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,160
So tell us about that victory, Judy.

683
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Well, that was a big one.

684
00:33:42,460 --> 00:33:47,040
We started the process at the beginning of

685
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,560
the year back in 2018, 19, whatever year

686
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,020
it was.

687
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,280
And the first meeting we had in the

688
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,580
Senator's office, there was about 20 lobbyists in

689
00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:04,540
the room all against the bill.

690
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:11,340
They were from every large corporation, multinational, international

691
00:34:11,340 --> 00:34:13,320
in the world.

692
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:16,260
And they looked at us like, you gotta

693
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:16,840
be kidding.

694
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:21,120
And what the bill would do and does

695
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:28,380
is it prohibits any personal care product or

696
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:32,340
cosmetic being sold in California that has been

697
00:34:32,340 --> 00:34:33,780
tested on animals.

698
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:39,040
So this was very widespread before this bill

699
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,500
that they still did this testing.

700
00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:44,679
There's a lot of cruelty-free companies that

701
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,380
had stopped the testing, but there is still

702
00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:49,620
plenty doing it.

703
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:53,560
So our proposal would say no more, no

704
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,540
more of these products being sold in California

705
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:58,340
that have been tested on animals.

706
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:02,860
So they treated us like we were stupid

707
00:35:02,860 --> 00:35:05,400
kids or something, like, how dare you wanna

708
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,100
do this?

709
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:10,140
And long story short, in a year's time

710
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:15,680
with enormous public support and a lot of

711
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,340
hard work, we had 12 lobbyists working on

712
00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:20,140
this bill.

713
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,740
We spent an enormous amount of money to

714
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:24,460
get it done.

715
00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,000
We got it done.

716
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,960
It was signed by the governor and it

717
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,720
is law.

718
00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:31,960
And it has been copied in 12 other

719
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,980
states and has even changed the way that

720
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:42,620
China does business with other countries in accepting

721
00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:48,580
non-animal test to prove the safety of

722
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,700
personal care products and cosmetics.

723
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:54,660
Well, and you made an important point because

724
00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:57,280
there were some compromises you had to do,

725
00:35:57,340 --> 00:36:00,220
but you said, hey, either you want something

726
00:36:00,220 --> 00:36:03,080
or we get nothing, but then it still

727
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
managed to achieve even what you were afraid

728
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,440
would be lost with the compromise.

729
00:36:07,580 --> 00:36:08,460
Can you explain that?

730
00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:14,360
Yeah, it was a bit of a, China

731
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:21,080
at the time was forcing companies to test

732
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,060
on animals.

733
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:25,460
So if you wanted to sell your product

734
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:31,000
in China, you had to show them these

735
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,620
animal tests that were done to prove the

736
00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:38,100
safety.

737
00:36:38,460 --> 00:36:43,580
And so that requirement, unless you opened up

738
00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:47,740
a manufacturing firm in China, then you didn't

739
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:50,980
have to do it, which is a big

740
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:54,700
reason why American companies were actually opening up

741
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:58,780
in China because they made it easier to

742
00:36:58,780 --> 00:37:02,360
do business with them if your company was

743
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,020
in China, which is not good for America,

744
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:05,760
obviously.

745
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:11,740
So then we said, okay, well, there was

746
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:16,060
gonna be this China exemption type thing and

747
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:19,420
that the companies would still need to do

748
00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:19,960
this.

749
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,420
But we ended up at the end of

750
00:37:23,420 --> 00:37:26,000
the day, writing the bill that it was

751
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,560
still safe and secure, but then China changed

752
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,860
the way they did business.

753
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,720
And Nick can go into a little more

754
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,900
detail on the minutiae.

755
00:37:36,100 --> 00:37:38,980
I think that's important because sometimes people are

756
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:41,280
like, no, you can't pass this because it's

757
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,440
not 100% perfect.

758
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,840
Well, guess what?

759
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,980
Nothing is gonna be, it's a process, not

760
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:46,520
an event.

761
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,300
That's right.

762
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,640
And Nick, even though some people were like,

763
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,680
well, you shouldn't vote for this unless it's

764
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,480
100%.

765
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,940
Well, no, that's not how it works, but

766
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:58,580
it was a huge leap forward.

767
00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:02,260
And then China came around somewhat eventually, right?

768
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:02,740
Yes.

769
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,780
Yeah, that's right.

770
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,280
And China still has more room to go,

771
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:09,080
but they have made significant progress in reducing

772
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,700
the requirement to test on animals.

773
00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:12,960
And one thing I want everyone to know

774
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,140
that we wrote the bill so that if

775
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,680
a company was required to test by another

776
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,380
country, i.e. China, that when they came

777
00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:26,040
to sell in California, they would have to

778
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,780
show the safety of the product using non

779
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:31,340
-animal testing methods.

780
00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:33,740
So what that does is it sets up

781
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:37,700
an incentive to the cosmetic companies to test

782
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:41,000
without using animals because they're gonna have to

783
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,600
show that to sell in California.

784
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,340
So it wasn't perfect, but it has moved

785
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:52,400
China forward and it still had safeguards to

786
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,000
ensure that companies were incentivised not to use

787
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,320
animals.

788
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,160
And one of the other things that I

789
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,840
noticed was that all of a sudden, so

790
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,420
many companies started putting on their brands, oh,

791
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:07,160
we are cruelty-free because it became like

792
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,040
a selling point.

793
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:10,740
They saw how many people, including celebrities like

794
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:14,580
Alicia Silverstone, were wanting cruelty-free.

795
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:17,040
And all of a sudden it changed the

796
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,560
dynamic.

797
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:21,420
And so cosmetics companies are advertising more, we're

798
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:23,460
cruelty-free, we have the leaping bunny.

799
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,040
And by the way, don't take anybody's word

800
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:26,400
for it.

801
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:28,800
If it doesn't have something on the label

802
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,120
that says either the PETA's leaping bunny or

803
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,560
cruelty-free, not tested on animals, don't believe

804
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,280
any salesperson who says, oh, it's fine.

805
00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:41,620
Because I've had a lot of people try

806
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:42,360
to hit me with that.

807
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,640
And I'm like, no, if it doesn't say

808
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,120
cruelty-free, I'm not buying it.

809
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,120
And that applies to beauty products.

810
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:50,140
That applies to cleaning products.

811
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600
You wouldn't believe the horrible things they're testing

812
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,140
on animals.

813
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Oven cleaner, all of this crap, for lack

814
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,420
of a better word.

815
00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:00,700
And these are horrifically cruel experiments on beagles.

816
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,000
I have a beagle mix.

817
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:06,740
Imagine this little girl getting stuffed with a

818
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:10,780
detergent or some horrible hair dye or something

819
00:40:10,780 --> 00:40:12,580
till she and half of the others in

820
00:40:12,580 --> 00:40:13,540
the experiment die.

821
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,620
I mean, it's barbaric, it's mediaeval, it's gotta

822
00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:16,980
stop.

823
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,860
And California is the one that's gonna stop

824
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:19,020
it.

825
00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:22,220
We did.

826
00:40:22,220 --> 00:40:28,980
And why I chose to start my group

827
00:40:28,980 --> 00:40:32,560
in 2001 was I felt that I could

828
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,560
do the most to save animals by passing

829
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,800
legislation.

830
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,020
And at the time I was in animal

831
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:46,340
rescue, I was vegan, because obviously being vegan

832
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:50,100
is a hugely important part of saving animals.

833
00:40:50,860 --> 00:40:54,900
But I wanted to do something that was

834
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,020
going to be big.

835
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,780
And with California having 40 million people as

836
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:06,800
we do now, and being the fourth or

837
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,920
fifth, depending on what day of the week

838
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,080
it is, largest economy in the world, I

839
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,600
knew that what I get done in California

840
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,400
is going to make a big difference.

841
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,800
Just in California alone, because it's so huge.

842
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,440
But as in the Cruelty-Free Cosmetics Act,

843
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,940
when that bill gets copied in 12 other

844
00:41:34,940 --> 00:41:39,720
states and then changes the way a foreign

845
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,480
government does business and what is acceptable to

846
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,860
them as far as non-animal tests, all

847
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:51,020
of a sudden we're saving animals exponentially.

848
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:55,000
I mean, the number, you can't even come

849
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,100
up with a number because it's so big

850
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,640
and just keeps going year after year after

851
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,160
year.

852
00:42:02,460 --> 00:42:05,860
So what we do is just hugely important.

853
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,640
And I wanna thank Debbie.

854
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,620
She just signed up on the site.

855
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,860
So she's heard our message today.

856
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,760
Thank you, Debbie, for signing up.

857
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:19,760
And so on our website, we have our

858
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,020
how to help and sign up for support

859
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,820
and get our newsletter.

860
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,140
And it also shows all of our active

861
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:31,660
campaigns that we're doing right now, but it

862
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:34,660
also shows all of our past campaigns.

863
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:38,520
And why this is important is so that

864
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,200
other animal groups such as ours and other

865
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,160
states can actually use our work as a

866
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240
model and go get that bill passed in

867
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,400
their state.

868
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,240
And that's how these 12 other states have

869
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,020
done the Cruelty-Free Cosmetics Act because they

870
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:01,180
used our bill.

871
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,240
They went to their state legislature and they

872
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,020
got it done.

873
00:43:05,220 --> 00:43:08,500
And the same with our other bill that

874
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:11,220
kicked puppy mills out of pet shops.

875
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:16,780
That one too has been copied in about

876
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:18,580
a dozen other states too.

877
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:22,320
And again, it goes from just saving these

878
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,760
animals in our border of the huge state

879
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,200
of California to exponential because of these other

880
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,360
states and other countries following suit.

881
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:36,640
So let's get back to this little one

882
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,380
who loves to come to restaurants with me

883
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:41,440
and sit in the outdoor patio along with

884
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,020
her sister.

885
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,900
This is Wednesday and her sister, her adoptive

886
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,020
sister, they're both rescues from different parts of

887
00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:48,960
LA, is Sunday.

888
00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:51,460
They can do that because of you.

889
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,840
You, social compassion legislation got the Dining with

890
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,060
Dogs Act passed.

891
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,600
I have to say, I'm very proud.

892
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,960
On my deathbed, I'll look back and say,

893
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:03,860
I was part of that Dining with Dogs

894
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:05,860
Act because it's brought me personally so much

895
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:08,440
pleasure and so many other people who were

896
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,580
forced to leave their animals home in the

897
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:11,020
past.

898
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,940
And it's been copied.

899
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,100
It was started here in California.

900
00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:16,640
It's been copied in New York and other

901
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:16,960
places.

902
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Tell us about that one, Judy, one of

903
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,580
my faves.

904
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,940
I mean, it was, you know, it happened

905
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:25,760
to you.

906
00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:28,560
It happened to me that I was with.

907
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,120
I had just rescued two chihuahuas and we

908
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,340
went to a veggie grill one day and

909
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,680
sat outside in the patio with our dogs.

910
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,040
And then we went to another veggie grill

911
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,480
at a different location on another day.

912
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,240
And the man said, oh, you can't have

913
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,160
your dogs here.

914
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,240
And I said, but we just did this

915
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,940
like a couple of weeks ago at another

916
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:54,560
location.

917
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,620
And he said, no, it's, you know, health

918
00:44:57,620 --> 00:45:00,920
and safety code that you can't have the

919
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,580
dogs in an outdoor patio.

920
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
And I said, well, that's a law that

921
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,060
needs to be changed.

922
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:09,060
And I went home that day and I

923
00:45:09,060 --> 00:45:12,720
found the law, the exact law that stated

924
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,880
that, you know, an animal, companion animal could

925
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,340
not even be in the outside of a

926
00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:22,760
restaurant and spoke to my lobbyist at the

927
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,680
time about what it would take to change

928
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,220
the law.

929
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,740
And one of the things that we had

930
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:31,000
to do first and foremost was to get

931
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,920
the restaurant association on our side.

932
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,200
And they knew it was kind of a

933
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,320
long time coming because people were breaking the

934
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,920
law all over the place which is what

935
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,040
you experienced in New York as well where

936
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,940
people were just doing it anyway.

937
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,580
And if I remember right, you know, even

938
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:57,440
using it to target maybe restaurants to call

939
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,180
the health inspectors to come to certain restaurants.

940
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,060
Yes, I want to jump in with that

941
00:46:06,060 --> 00:46:06,640
anecdote.

942
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:09,300
Years ago, I was a very small investor

943
00:46:09,300 --> 00:46:12,100
in a Real Food Daily and I went

944
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:15,020
to Real Food Daily on La Cienega which

945
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:16,720
is now under new ownership, but it's a

946
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:17,460
great restaurant.

947
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,140
It was always wonderful.

948
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,520
And I saw they had a B and

949
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,120
I personally knew the owners very well and

950
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:23,900
they're meticulous.

951
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:24,760
And I said, what?

952
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,820
And they said, you won't believe this Jane.

953
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:29,700
There was a dog, we have an outdoor

954
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,280
patio and there was a little dog who

955
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,120
just went through.

956
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:34,060
She was tied up outside and she took

957
00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:35,580
it upon herself to go through the little

958
00:46:35,580 --> 00:46:37,520
bars and sit on the inside, right on

959
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:37,960
the inside.

960
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,980
And a health inspector came and reported the

961
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:41,540
restaurant.

962
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:45,220
And I became enraged because I felt like

963
00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:47,180
it was targeting vegan restaurants.

964
00:46:47,180 --> 00:46:49,120
Because then you go other places, you see

965
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,060
some bar with everybody eating and there's dogs

966
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:52,580
all over the place.

967
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
And so I called you Judy and I

968
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,360
know you were in process of doing this.

969
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:03,900
And once it got done in California, we

970
00:47:03,900 --> 00:47:06,400
also did it in New York state.

971
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,580
Tell us about that.

972
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:10,220
It would have never happened otherwise.

973
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:14,100
The day that you had me on your

974
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:19,320
HLN show, I was waiting at the studio

975
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,060
to go live with you.

976
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,340
And I got a text on my phone

977
00:47:24,340 --> 00:47:28,400
from my lobbyist that Jerry Brown, Governor Jerry

978
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,920
Brown had just signed the bill.

979
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:33,920
And so when I came on live with

980
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,000
you, I said, breaking news, Governor Brown just

981
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,940
signed the bill and you were so excited.

982
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:41,780
And you said, okay, we have to do

983
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:43,060
it next in New York.

984
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:46,140
And I thought, well, okay.

985
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,200
And you got me to commit right then

986
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,880
and there to do it in New York,

987
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,940
which we had never done a bill in

988
00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:55,520
New York.

989
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,940
And after that, I took a trip to

990
00:47:58,940 --> 00:48:04,340
New York and I interviewed lobbyists there and

991
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,880
we hired lobbyists.

992
00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:08,440
We raised the money to pay for them.

993
00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:11,100
And Jane, I have to give it to

994
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:15,780
you because you led that grassroots effort and

995
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:19,120
Nick was still in New York before he

996
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,580
relocated to Sacramento.

997
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,660
And having you and Nick there got it

998
00:48:25,660 --> 00:48:30,260
done because I stayed in California for the

999
00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:33,040
rest of that session and was able to

1000
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,220
go back and forth with the lobbyist over

1001
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,520
the phone, but everything in person, you and

1002
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,620
Nick took care of.

1003
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:41,020
And I have to thank you.

1004
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:43,260
And we got that bill passed and signed

1005
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:44,920
into law in the state of New York

1006
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,440
as well.

1007
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,500
It was a huge thing, huge.

1008
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,460
And quite a big effort because they weren't

1009
00:48:51,460 --> 00:48:53,920
so willingly coming along.

1010
00:48:54,460 --> 00:48:58,020
Media attention, like we often really struggle to

1011
00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:00,820
get media attention about really important issues like

1012
00:49:00,820 --> 00:49:03,400
this octopus bill, but because it captured the

1013
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,600
public's imagination, they were doing all sorts of

1014
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,000
sketches of dogs sitting at a table, dining,

1015
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,960
and remember the massive amount of media that

1016
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,340
this law got?

1017
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:15,660
Oh yeah.

1018
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:19,100
The Economist covered it, the New York Times.

1019
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,560
I mean, it was in every publication and

1020
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,120
it even went international.

1021
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:27,960
So yes, it got a huge, and you

1022
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,500
never know, with all the bills now 70

1023
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:36,560
that we've done, it is really just a

1024
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,660
hit and miss on what the press picks

1025
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:39,920
up and runs with.

1026
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,200
But I'm grateful for any and all the

1027
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,860
attention that they get because it certainly helps

1028
00:49:46,860 --> 00:49:50,540
us to get the bills across the finish

1029
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:50,680
line.

1030
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,760
Let me jump in on the pet lover

1031
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,420
licence plate because we only got a couple

1032
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:53,660
of minutes.

1033
00:49:53,780 --> 00:49:55,980
This was one of your other major victories

1034
00:49:55,980 --> 00:49:58,240
and it's raised millions for Spay, Neuter.

1035
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:58,800
Tell us.

1036
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:04,860
Well, there's speciality licence plates in California.

1037
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:07,060
There's a handful.

1038
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,140
And what happens is when you get one

1039
00:50:11,140 --> 00:50:13,820
of these through the Department of Motor Vehicles,

1040
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,140
so it's dmv.ca.gov and you renew

1041
00:50:18,140 --> 00:50:21,240
your licence, you can pick a speciality licence

1042
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:21,640
plate.

1043
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,100
So when you renew that licence or you

1044
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:29,040
get it for the first time, $40, $40

1045
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,740
of every plate on the road goes into

1046
00:50:32,740 --> 00:50:37,200
a fund and then that money gets granted

1047
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:37,620
out.

1048
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,760
There's a period where we open up the,

1049
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:44,740
it's under the Department of California, Department of

1050
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:47,700
Food and Ag, and they open up this

1051
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:52,780
grant period where shelters and other Spay and

1052
00:50:52,780 --> 00:50:56,720
Neuter providers can fill out this grant to

1053
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,360
get the money to perform these Spay and

1054
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Neuter surgeries for free or next to free.

1055
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:06,520
And as of today, it's about $2 million

1056
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:09,160
that have been granted out that would have

1057
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,800
never been there, that would have never ever

1058
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:17,280
came to be to support these communities.

1059
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,900
So we need to sell a lot more

1060
00:51:19,900 --> 00:51:22,460
plates because I'll tell you, if we could

1061
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:25,360
get everybody that's watching a Spay and Neuter

1062
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,080
licence plate, it would help us solve this

1063
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,880
pet overpopulation crisis.

1064
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:32,820
So when it's time to get a new

1065
00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:35,900
plate or renew your plate, go to dmv

1066
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:40,040
.ca.gov and select the Spay and Neuter,

1067
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,980
the pet lovers licence plate, and you will

1068
00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:48,880
get this automatically that $40 goes towards Spay

1069
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,200
and Neuter.

1070
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,440
And I have it and it's a lot

1071
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:52,240
of fun too.

1072
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,020
I mean, it's a fun licence plate to

1073
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:55,020
have, it's decorative.

1074
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:56,480
Oh, wow.

1075
00:51:56,860 --> 00:51:58,460
Well, we've only got a minute or two,

1076
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:59,320
what else?

1077
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,840
You do so many bills and I have

1078
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,380
a quick question.

1079
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,340
Are you gonna bring back this bill, which

1080
00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:09,340
I thought was so important that would allow

1081
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:11,140
kids who were involved in these 4-H

1082
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:13,040
type clubs to have a change of heart

1083
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,900
if they don't wanna send their animal to

1084
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:17,320
slaughter and not be traumatised?

1085
00:52:17,420 --> 00:52:18,900
I mean, it seems like a no brainer.

1086
00:52:19,340 --> 00:52:22,120
I can't even believe that that didn't pass,

1087
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,800
but are you gonna bring it back?

1088
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:25,880
Absolutely.

1089
00:52:26,260 --> 00:52:29,700
I mean, this is one that may take

1090
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:31,700
years to pass.

1091
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:34,300
One of the problems with it is there's

1092
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:36,720
not a constituency.

1093
00:52:37,820 --> 00:52:40,360
There's not like a whole bunch of people

1094
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,140
behind it.

1095
00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:45,780
There's families that this happens to, and it

1096
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:48,640
would be a safety net to help these

1097
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,340
families to opt out of this terminal slaughter

1098
00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:55,860
of their 4-H or FFA animal.

1099
00:52:56,540 --> 00:53:01,040
So when Big Ag had their fit over

1100
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,740
the bill, they won because they, oh, we

1101
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:10,420
don't wanna change the way we're doing things.

1102
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,680
People should know up front, this is the

1103
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:13,860
way it's gonna go.

1104
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,240
So this one is longer range that we

1105
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,300
have to raise the awareness.

1106
00:53:20,300 --> 00:53:25,280
We have to build support, but eventually it'll

1107
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:25,920
get done.

1108
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:28,740
Like, I won't get into it, but the

1109
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:31,340
blood bank bill, how we had to do

1110
00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:34,080
that for four years before it ever got

1111
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,640
done to get more animal blood banks that

1112
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,800
didn't hold greyhounds captive in our state, which

1113
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,680
was another huge cruel industry and a monopoly.

1114
00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:50,260
And that took us four years to get

1115
00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:50,580
done.

1116
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,640
So some of these things just take time.

1117
00:53:54,420 --> 00:53:57,420
They take an enormous amount of resources.

1118
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,900
So I would ask that your folks sign

1119
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:03,280
up on our website and please, if you

1120
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,220
can donate any amount of money, please donate

1121
00:54:06,220 --> 00:54:07,500
as well.

1122
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:11,400
All your money goes to save animals' lives.

1123
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,720
Well, I have to say, and Josie says,

1124
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,260
hope California will lead the world on compassionate

1125
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:17,900
legislation.

1126
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:21,140
Thanks to social compassion and legislation that is

1127
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:21,800
happening.

1128
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,520
Please, everybody, it's so easy.

1129
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,920
Just go to socialcompassionandlegislation.org, become part of

1130
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:30,880
the team, and we have a lot of

1131
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,120
fun.

1132
00:54:31,500 --> 00:54:33,180
You will end up, if you live in

1133
00:54:33,180 --> 00:54:36,580
California, being asked, do you want to go

1134
00:54:36,580 --> 00:54:37,900
to Sacramento?

1135
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,020
And we are out there lobbying and talking

1136
00:54:42,020 --> 00:54:43,620
to legislators, and then we have a great

1137
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:45,520
plant-based meal at a restaurant.

1138
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,520
It's a lot of fun.

1139
00:54:46,660 --> 00:54:49,040
It's really being part of a club of

1140
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,440
animal lovers, and I've always had a great

1141
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:52,780
time.

1142
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,480
I want to say, while we're at it,

1143
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,220
please download our streaming network.

1144
00:54:58,340 --> 00:55:01,980
We're the world's only animal welfare streaming network,

1145
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,740
and we're almost all volunteer run.

1146
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:06,860
It's so easy.

1147
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,560
You can download it right on your phone

1148
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,480
from the App Store.

1149
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,860
Just put Unchained TV, so you can do

1150
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:14,580
it on your TV, on your phone.

1151
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,680
It's free.

1152
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:17,000
I urge you to do it.

1153
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:18,320
We are out of time.

1154
00:55:18,460 --> 00:55:20,560
I want to thank you so much, everybody.

1155
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:23,700
Social compassion in legislation.

1156
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:25,100
Thank you.

1157
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,820
Be part of the solution.