UnchainedTV: PETA's Ingrid Newkirk Turns 75 & Reveals Her Fascinating Life!

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We have a very exciting show for you

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today with some breaking news.

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It is Ingrid Newkirk's 75th birthday.

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This is the woman who launched PETA back

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in 1980, the world's most powerful, most influential

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animal rights organisation.

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And leave it to Ingrid Newkirk to use

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her birthday not to celebrate herself, but to

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issue a call to action to you, to

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you to speak for voiceless animals.

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There are 75 simple ways that you can

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help animals for Ingrid's birthday.

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Animals used in experimentation, food, animals used for

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clothing, animals used for entertainment, companion animals, of

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course, wildlife, as well as those poor creatures

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used for dissection.

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There are many, many other ways that you

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can help celebrate Ingrid Newkirk's birthday.

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And I am so honoured that we have

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Ingrid Newkirk, my hero here for the hour

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on Unchained TV, straight out to you, Ingrid,

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happy birthday.

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Thank you.

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I'm the same person I ever was.

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I don't know what happened that I came

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to be 75, but I'm as determined as

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ever to do as much as possible for

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animals.

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I just hate that the clock is still

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ticking.

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Well, tell us, you founded PETA way back

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in 1980.

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How far have we come?

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Oh boy, we have come a long, long,

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long, long way.

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I always say it's like a massive mountain

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range that we have to conquer or we

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have to climb.

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But we have gone up and up and

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up and we've got a long way to

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go, but it's nothing like what it was

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in 1980.

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And I guess people who are 20 today

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or 15 or 25 haven't the faintest clue

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of how there weren't all these extraordinary options

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available in 1980.

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I mean, we didn't even have the internet,

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so you had to leaflet on the street,

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but you couldn't get plant milk to save

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your life.

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So it's been extraordinary.

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Well, I always say you are my hero

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because every single day, I get a call

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to action from PETA and every single day

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I follow that call to action.

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And what's so fantastic about it is once

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you sign up to PETA.org, boom, boom,

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boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

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In 10, 15 seconds, you can send letters

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out to your members of Congress, your representatives

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and your senators, to the head of the

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USDA, to the head of the NIH.

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It is so unbelievable, the effectiveness of your

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organisation.

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It is a fine-tuned machine and that's

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why they come after you because you are

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the largest and most powerful animal rights organisation

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in the world.

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So I wanna talk to you about some

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big moments.

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I don't think a lot of people know

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your life story.

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You were born in England, but you moved

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to India when you were a child.

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Will you tell us about your formative years

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and how they influenced you devoting your life

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to speaking up for voiceless animals?

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Well, Jane, I'm the poster child for slow

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learning because I grew up in the land

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of Ahimsa from the time I was seven

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years old until I was 16.

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And you'd think that I would have emerged

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at least as a vegetarian, but I didn't.

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I grew up in a family that we

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considered ourselves animal lovers.

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My mother, bless her heart, she adored children.

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She loved animals, but we never connected the

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dots between the shoes that we had.

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I had a wild cat fur hat from

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Kashmir.

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We had ivory on the ornamentation on the

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sideboard.

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We had an elephant's foot umbrella stand in

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the hallway and people would come over and

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talk about pig sticking, which is going out

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and hunting wild boar.

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So all those things were going on, but

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my friends were all vegetarian.

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They were all Indian.

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Nobody was vegan, but I met the Jains,

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which is a wonderful religious sect.

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And they would be so considerate of animals.

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They would sweep the ground before they walked

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to make sure they didn't step on insects.

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They would never have a meal after sundown

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because insects might be drawn to the light

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of the cooking fire, all sorts of things

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like that.

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But when I went back to England, I

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was still a meat and potatoes person and

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I loved organ meats and all that stuff.

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But I will say this.

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Our house was full of injured animals, stray

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animals, and stray and injured people.

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Unwed mothers who'd been thrown out of their

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home.

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We worked for the leper colony.

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We worked for Mother Teresa.

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We packed pills, we stuffed toys for kids

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because my mother said, even though she didn't

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understand the whole concept, she said, it doesn't

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matter who suffers.

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It matters that they suffer and what you

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can do about it.

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So I grew up stopping people on the

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street from beating the bullocks that pulled the

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heavy carts, taking in the stray dogs with

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mange and had all sorts of experiences like

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that, but still kept on eating and wearing

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animals and buying things that were tested on

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them.

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It just wasn't on the radar.

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Wow, well, your story is so inspirational because

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you're so honest.

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I mean, some people might say, well, it'd

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be easy to pretend I was born perfect,

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but very few people are born vegan.

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Very few people are perfect at any point.

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So by expressing your journey, you give everyone

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hope that they can move forward.

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Now, you launched PETA in 1980 and in

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the 44 years you've accomplished so much, let's

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go back to what I would consider, and

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you can correct me if I'm wrong, a

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pivotal image and a pivotal moment in the

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development of PETA as a global organisation.

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This image, this image, tell us what this

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image is all about and what impact it

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had on the world.

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Well, when we started PETA, I was already

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a law enforcement officer and I had been

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inside laboratories, big ones, the US Navy laboratory,

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which became Walter Reed and is where the

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presidents go to get their medical exams.

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I'd been inside NIH's, their pride and joy

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facility, their flagship facility in Poolsville, Maryland, where

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they keep all the monkeys, but I hooked

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up with a young man who came into

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the animal shelter where I was working and

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when together we formed PETA because I figured

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if people hadn't seen inside those places, they

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hadn't read Animal Liberation, which was a pivotal

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moment for me reading that book, they probably

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had no idea that the money they were

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spending on household products and shampoo and shoes

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and belts and food was going to hurt

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animals that they really thought they cared about.

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So we formed the organisation.

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He, Alex, his name was, didn't have any

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experience with laboratories.

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He'd been out on a whaling ship or

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an anti-whaling ship called the Sea Shepherd

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and they had been tracking down whaling vessels

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and they actually sunk one.

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And so he had a wealth of experience.

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He'd been in England disrupting fox hunts and

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so on.

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So I had a completely different set of

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experiences, stopping trapping and working to end pet

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shop cruelties and going into laboratories.

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So I thought, well, he should get some

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experience.

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So we looked in the United States Department

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of Agriculture list of the laboratories that have

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to be registered with the government, animal experimentation

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places.

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And right near my apartment, there was one.

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It was called the Institute for Behavioural Research,

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which sounds really grand.

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Turned out to be basically a warehouse down

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a dirt road, just awful place.

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Nobody would ever find it.

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And he went along, knocked on the door

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and asked for a job.

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And they said, well, they didn't have any

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jobs, but he could volunteer if he liked.

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So he did.

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And when he went inside, he was able

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to take pictures.

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I would sit outside in a cardboard box

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in a car to let him know with

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a Radio Shack walkie talkie if anyone was

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coming so he could put the camera away.

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And he would take pictures of what was

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happening to these poor monkeys.

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There was 17 macaque monkeys, 16 of whom

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had come from the Philippines, captured from the

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jungle.

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And they were in these, and one other

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one that was bred in captivity, a rhesus

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macaque.

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They were in these tiny, rusted, broken wired

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cages, barely bigger than their bodies.

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They couldn't stand up or stretch their arms.

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And they were missing most of their fingers.

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Because the experimenter, who Jane was, as you

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know, a psychologist, he had no medical training,

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no veterinary training at all, was getting a

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lot of money from the federal government to

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open up their backs, perform surgery on them,

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deafferentate them, which means cutting some of the

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nerves in their spines so that one or

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both of their arms would be almost or

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totally useless.

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Then he would put them in this converted

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mini fridge that he had made into an

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electrical device, and he would shock them to

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make them use their bad arms.

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This was all, this is all supposed to

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be to help people.

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This is the stated intent of his grant

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application, to help people with therapy for stroke.

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I mean, can you imagine locking someone with

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a stroke in a refrigerator and giving them

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electric shocks if they don't use a bad

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arm?

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And he was- The whole thing is

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insane.

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It's insane.

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It's sociopathic.

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Yeah, and it still is.

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I mean, throughout the National Institutes of Health,

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which is where we have a massive campaign

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now.

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I mean, Fauci was just before Congress, and

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his boss was Francis Collins, still advises President

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Biden, and they admitted.

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They have no idea when they give money

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to a laboratory, overseas, for example, if there

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are any laws or regulations, and at this

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Silver Spring Lab, there were no inspections.

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A U.S. Department of Agriculture man would

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come, and he would sit and have coffee

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in the front office, and he would never

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even go in the back and look at

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the monkeys in their cages.

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Oh my God.

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Jane, we found a barrel of dead monkeys

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with their arms bandaged up who had died

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of gangrene and other things because of no

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medical care.

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And if anyone thinks, oh, that must have

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been an aberration, oh gosh, that sort of

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stuff doesn't go on, I inspected labs.

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I know it goes on, and it goes

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on today as if you go to peter

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.org, you'll see the videos.

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You'll see the photographs.

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You'll read about what they're getting money to

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do, and we just closed down a massive

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lab in Columbia, South America.

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I wanna talk to you about that, but

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first I wanna play a clip of Bill

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Maher basically saying the same thing you're saying

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on national television.

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New rule, listen to PETA.

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According to polls, the majority of people now

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agree with what PETA's been saying since 1980.

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Experiments on animals are not only cruel, they

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don't work.

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95% of new medications that work when

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tested on animals fail in humans.

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95%.

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A drug tested on a mouse has about

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as much chance of making it to the

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market as Joe Exotic has of seeing his

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mullet come back in fashion.

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Tax payers have spent billions funding junk science

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like cutting open cats' skulls and deafening them

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or tearing baby monkeys from their mothers and

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tormenting them with loud noises and rubber snakes,

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all the while admitting that their work isn't

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applicable to humans.

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These are the sort of things that if

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a child did them, you'd know they were

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gonna grow up to be a serial killer.

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And the National Institutes of Health that funds

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these experiments, more like National Institutes of Hell.

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Wow.

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Well, I think he says it in a

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very clever way, but he's making the exact

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same point.

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With artificial intelligence, organs on a chip and

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all of the other advances technologically, are we

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any closer to ending animal experimentation?

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Well, there is some good news because the

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Environmental Protection Agency, for example, the FDA, the

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Food and Drug Administration, we've been hammering on

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their front doors for a long time and

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we've actually got ourselves onto some committees about

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the use of animals in experimentation.

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And they have made some pronouncements that in

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certain areas like toxicity testing, poisoning, they're gonna

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move away from the use of animals.

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And a lot of industries have come behind

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us to say, why should we have to

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spend years and years testing on first mice,

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then beagles, then monkeys before we release a

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drug?

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We have high-speed computers that we can

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programme now with human information, not information from

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a slug or a chicken or whatever they're

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going to use.

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And we've got state-of-the-art technology.

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So let's not withhold good drugs and let's

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not put bad ones on the market because

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as you say, 95%, and it's actually a

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little higher of drugs tested safe on other

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species go on to give us side effects

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like anaphylactic shock and even death.

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So they're no good.

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Let's move to state-of-the-art stuff.

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But yes, we are slowly moving away.

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And it's vital that people do not give

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up on their members of Congress because there

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are bills now before Congress like the Cargo

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Act that we need every member of Congress

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to sign on to.

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That would stop the importation of monkeys, for

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example, from Vietnam and the Philippines and Cambodia

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and all these places where they're caught in

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the jungle.

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They come in with diseases.

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They are not quarantined properly anyway.

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They live in hell and their babies are

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taken away from them.

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They're just breeding machines.

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And they're just like us.

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They're just like us.

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So please, everybody get to your member of

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Congress and don't take no for an answer.

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And that's it, the Cargo Act.

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We have to support the Cargo Act.

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We've got some breaking news to tell you

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about.

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Just got this call just in from the

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President of Social Compassion and Legislation, Judy Mancuso.

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Judy has a positive breaking news story to

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bring us live.

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Tell us about it, Judy.

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Hi.

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Hi, Jane and happy birthday to Ingrid.

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Well, we are co-sponsoring my group, Social

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Compassion and Legislation, along with PETA, what's called

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the Compassionate Advancements in Science Studies Act.

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So that's the CLASS Act.

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It's AB 2640.

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And it just passed the California Senate Education

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Committee with a unanimous vote of six to

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zero.

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Woo, congrats.

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What's your reaction to that victory?

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And can you tell us a little bit

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about your thoughts regarding that legislation, Ingrid?

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Well, first, hi to Judy, who does wonderful

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work.

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Everybody should support her group.

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And she's put super legislation through the California

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legislature.

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Oh, we're delighted.

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It just passed out of committee.

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I think it's got one more to go,

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but Judy would know more.

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It's very important, I think, that children are

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not desensitised.

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And that's one of the reasons that we

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went after Ringling so heavily.

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People would say, oh, it's only so many

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elephants.

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And we would say, yes, but the last

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thing that you want a child to see

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is human beings dominating this wonderful wild creature

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and making him stand on his head.

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But it's the same thing with dissection.

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Jane, it just drives me insane.

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I have no idea who started the idea

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that a child needs to see what's inside

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a frog.

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Nobody's going to grow up to be a

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frog doctor, but they do.

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And when I was in school, it was

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a cow's eye, it was a cat, it

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was a frog.

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And we have been working diligently to say,

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children need a choice at the very least.

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Actually, all dissection should go because they're taking

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frogs out of ponds in Louisiana.

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There's a depletion of frogs and frogs are

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the climate bellwethers.

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They're taking cats from pounds that still release

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them, or maybe they're taking barn cats that

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are rounded up and given to them.

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We've been inside the supply houses where they

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inject them with formaldehyde and what have you.

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They don't die a nice death.

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And then all these other things.

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So we say, we've been pushing the sin

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frog and these other models, plastic models of

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frogs.

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If you're going to see inside a frog,

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look inside a plastic one.

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They have all the little organs.

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You can take them out with your forceps.

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There are no frog guts to dangle in

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front of little girls and make them feel

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sick.

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There's no formaldehyde for you to inhale and

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get ill and it's cheaper and you can

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reuse them.

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So there are practical reasons as well as

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the ethical reasons to not desensitise kids.

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Well, thank you, Judy Mancuso.

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We're very excited about that victory.

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Let's get to the finish line and pass

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that law.

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Thank you, social compassion and legislation.

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So I wanna talk about some of the

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other battles you're waging.

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I actually interviewed recently somebody from PETA on

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a battle to stop this new monkey breeding

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facility.

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It seems like every time we put one

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down, they come up with another location where

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they're trying to start it up again.

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Can you talk a little bit about this

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constant effort by the vivisection industry to create

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laboratory monkey breeding facilities in the United States?

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Two words, big business, a lot of money

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to be made.

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It's just like career experimenters and the people

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who make the monkey chow and the monkey

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cages and the monkey decapitators and the monkey

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everything else.

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They want to produce more monkeys so that

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they can use them.

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And this is why the Cargo Act is

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so important is it stops one stream of

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monkeys who are tortured overseas.

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They go on days long, nights long journeys

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in cargo holds of planes in wooden crates

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with no food and water.

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But they also are trying to breed them

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once they get here.

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And that's what we're trying to do in

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Texas.

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We've already started and in Georgia, big facility.

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They have very secretly, quietly gone to see

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the local government, got all their permits without

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saying a word to the residents who would

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find suddenly a 30,000 monkey facility on

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their doorstep.

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You know, you think of all, if you

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want to look at practical issues, the disease

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risk, I mean, Ebola came in on monkeys.

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Everybody knows you get Ebola, you're gone.

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We've had all sorts of other dangerous diseases

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like the Marburg virus come in with monkeys.

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We are primates, they're primates.

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It's very, very easy for these diseases, which

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can be fatal to cross the species barrier.

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They also carry tuberculosis, the human variety of

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tuberculosis.

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So there are good reasons that the people

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in Georgia who we have now alerted to

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the fact that these sneaky people were coming

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in to build the lab are up in

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arms.

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And at the moment there is a stalemate

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and we hope to win.

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We hope the citizens of Georgia are able

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to keep this place out.

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Then yes, they'll try to pop it up

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somewhere else.

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They tried to pop it up in Texas

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and we stopped it there.

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They tried to pop it up overseas in

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St. Kitts or somewhere and we stopped it

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there.

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I think you were a great help there.

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Where was that?

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I can't remember the island.

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Puerto Rico.

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Puerto Rico, it was Puerto Rico.

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So it's big money.

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And everybody I think remembers the In Vigo

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Beagles in Virginia.

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We had an undercover agent who went in

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and got the dirt on them, 350 puppies

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dead in the drainage ditches or for other

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reasons, mothers going without food, the whole gamut.

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The same characters who have now been forced

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to close that facility, forced to give up

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the over 4,000 beagles and they're all

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in good homes now.

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It's just wonderful.

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Great cooperative effort from humane societies everywhere.

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They, some of them are involved in these

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other facilities.

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In Vigo isn't finished.

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It's got other irons in the fire with

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other exploitive facilities around the country and around

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the world getting government money.

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So we all need to be very aware

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and we all need to just look at

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the very simple facts on peter.org for

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the Cargo Act for this primate facility in

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Georgia.

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And please, please get to your representatives.

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And again, do not take no for an

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answer.

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They will fob you off and you need

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to come right back and say, I'm a

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citizen, I have a vote.

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I've got friends.

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I'll get my friends and my family and

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my coworkers involved.

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And we want you to stop this bleeding

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of money from NIH into animal experiments that

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go nowhere that have a 95% failure

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rate and cost the taxpayer billions of dollars

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a year and a lot of grief for

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the animals.

543
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800
Well, I also just read an article yesterday

544
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:46,160
about how artificial intelligence is revolutionising drug research

545
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,140
and they can take all the information that's

546
00:23:49,140 --> 00:23:51,100
ever been gathered on any drug and put

547
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:52,020
it into a formula.

548
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,020
And it was a fascinating article.

549
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,880
And I was looking at this going there.

550
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:59,880
I mean, animal experimentation is mediaeval at best

551
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,200
compared to these high-tech systems that can

552
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,340
come up with solutions and analyse in a

553
00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:08,700
moment what would take people years to do

554
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:09,320
by hand.

555
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:14,060
It just brought home how backward the NIH

556
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:16,860
is for still continuing to try to push

557
00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:18,080
animal experimentation.

558
00:24:18,620 --> 00:24:20,580
And of course, the universities, they get money.

559
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,260
That's why they push it.

560
00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:24,000
It's easy to get a grant when you

561
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,660
show, oh, it's gonna cause 50% of

562
00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:28,040
the animals tested to die.

563
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,540
It doesn't take any really creative thinking to

564
00:24:32,540 --> 00:24:33,720
do those kinds of tests.

565
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,600
So I will just say one more time.

566
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,740
Yesterday, I heard somebody, an animal activist say,

567
00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:45,220
if every single person who is vegan became

568
00:24:45,220 --> 00:24:47,980
an activist, we could achieve animal liberation tomorrow.

569
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,560
I think that there's a lot of truth

570
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,180
to that statement.

571
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,000
Maybe it's not tomorrow, maybe it's the day

572
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,700
after tomorrow, but how do you do it?

573
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,400
Because there are so many people out there

574
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800
who are waking up, they're going vegan, they're

575
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,600
going plant-based, they love animals, but it

576
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,560
can be tough being an activist.

577
00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:09,000
How do you do it?

578
00:25:09,140 --> 00:25:10,700
This is your 75th birthday.

579
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,000
You're celebrating your birthday with us.

580
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,940
We're so honoured.

581
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,140
Give us some pointers for all the activists

582
00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:18,660
out there and all the people who are

583
00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:20,060
maybe afraid to become activists.

584
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,720
How the heck have you been able to

585
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,260
do this for so many years without burnout?

586
00:25:24,140 --> 00:25:27,780
Oh, I can't imagine burnout because there's so

587
00:25:27,780 --> 00:25:29,180
much work to be done.

588
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,400
And I have the luxury perhaps of looking

589
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,540
back and seeing how far we've come, which

590
00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:36,780
is how you started the show, is that

591
00:25:36,780 --> 00:25:39,980
I see progress, enormous progress, but I also

592
00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:41,680
see the mountain to climb in front of

593
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:41,860
me.

594
00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:43,860
And so I get up every morning thinking,

595
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:45,820
gosh, there's a lot to do today.

596
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,900
So there's no time to spare.

597
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:49,660
But I think you also hit on something

598
00:25:49,660 --> 00:25:49,940
else.

599
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:55,660
There is irrational fear in people that they

600
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:57,680
don't want to stick their head above the

601
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,240
parapet.

602
00:25:58,340 --> 00:26:01,920
They don't want to say something.

603
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:04,480
They're afraid of what?

604
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:08,420
Remember during the fur wars, and we always

605
00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:10,340
said to people, we can get rid of

606
00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:10,580
fur.

607
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:13,000
You just need to say something to anyone

608
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,340
you see wearing it.

609
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,160
And there were people in fur everywhere.

610
00:26:17,860 --> 00:26:19,540
So people said, oh, I don't know.

611
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:20,580
I can't say anything.

612
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:22,720
You said, what's the worst that can happen?

613
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:25,700
You say politely to somebody, if you like,

614
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,520
excuse me, I used to have a fur.

615
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:31,040
I know you think it's beautiful, but if

616
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,000
you could see the blood and the guts

617
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,880
and how animals are suffering and the steel

618
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,680
traps and the fur.

619
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,580
And even if they say go to hell

620
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:41,780
or something much worse, who cares?

621
00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:43,380
It's just words.

622
00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:44,940
It doesn't hurt you.

623
00:26:45,180 --> 00:26:47,860
And you have done something wonderful.

624
00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:50,940
Animals who were killed for fur couldn't say

625
00:26:50,940 --> 00:26:51,800
anything themselves.

626
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,460
The animals in the future who would be

627
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:55,780
killed for fur couldn't say anything, but you

628
00:26:55,780 --> 00:26:58,800
have used the act, never be silent.

629
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,220
You've used your voice.

630
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,180
You've got a voice.

631
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,440
In many countries, you don't have a voice.

632
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,260
We have the luxury of that.

633
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:07,200
Say something.

634
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,020
You can do it so nicely.

635
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,460
When you go to a party, when you're

636
00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:14,520
out with friends, if someone's ordering or buying

637
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,040
something, you could say, by the way, you

638
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,320
know, that does involve animal suffering.

639
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,920
And I know you don't want to hear

640
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,460
this, but I didn't want to hear it

641
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:25,200
when someone told me the first time, but

642
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,100
I'm glad they did.

643
00:27:26,420 --> 00:27:28,320
So forgive me, but I'm going to tell

644
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,980
you how that comes about.

645
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:31,240
And I'm going to give you an option

646
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,800
and maybe you'll take it.

647
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,700
You know, it's up to you, but please,

648
00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:36,700
so at least you're saying something.

649
00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:40,300
It doesn't take any more time if you're

650
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:42,060
going to the grocery store or the gym

651
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:45,180
to take, and we give them free, free

652
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:49,700
newsletters, vegan starter kits, and leave them in

653
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:51,920
the magazine rack, leave them on the table.

654
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,220
There are so many things that you can

655
00:27:55,220 --> 00:27:56,640
do every single day.

656
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,280
I try to do five things a day

657
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,340
outside my work.

658
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,240
You know, going to work, coming back from

659
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,380
work, speaking to somebody on the elevator.

660
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000
There are so many things, leaving a sticker,

661
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:09,860
putting a sticker on the little library.

662
00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:15,500
And let me say this, for those who

663
00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:18,380
are afraid of just mentioning to somebody, please

664
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:19,200
don't wear fur.

665
00:28:19,380 --> 00:28:21,620
There are others who really go out on

666
00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:25,860
a limb thanks to encouragement from PETA.

667
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,560
Check this out.

668
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:31,700
Coach Runway, New York Fashion Week, Leather Kills.

669
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,680
These two activists jumped on the runway.

670
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:37,720
Anna Wintour and all the other fashionistas were

671
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,780
right there, and they strutted the runway with

672
00:28:40,780 --> 00:28:44,480
a PETA sign, Coach Leather Kills.

673
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,940
And this got so many headlines.

674
00:28:47,380 --> 00:28:49,680
So if you're afraid of just speaking up

675
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,320
politely to a friend or neighbour, imagine the

676
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,640
guts it took to do this, the world

677
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,320
watching, jumping on the stage.

678
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Nonviolent, nothing's destroyed, just walking the runway with

679
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,140
a powerful message, speaking truth to power, and

680
00:29:07,140 --> 00:29:09,120
watch how she gets tackled in just one

681
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,460
second.

682
00:29:09,780 --> 00:29:10,940
It's coming up.

683
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:12,360
Oh, there she is.

684
00:29:12,420 --> 00:29:12,900
She's grabbed.

685
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,380
That's Jamie Logan, who has a lot of

686
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:18,680
shows on Unchained TV, as well as the

687
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,440
PETA channel on Unchained TV.

688
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480
So tell us about that, about how you,

689
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:28,220
I'll give you one more example, PETA goes

690
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,600
out on a limb to do provocative demonstrations.

691
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,720
This is an anti-leather demonstration where they've

692
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,540
poured what appears to be tar on their

693
00:29:40,540 --> 00:29:41,120
bodies.

694
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,160
Turns out it's molasses.

695
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:46,960
What's the inspiration behind all this, Ingrid?

696
00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:50,980
Well, you know, I said the very simple

697
00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:53,340
things that people can do, because anyone and

698
00:29:53,340 --> 00:29:54,500
everyone can do that.

699
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:56,800
But I adore our girls.

700
00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:58,880
I shouldn't just call them girls, I suppose,

701
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,620
but to me, they're my girls.

702
00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:03,700
I adore these girls who get on the

703
00:30:03,700 --> 00:30:03,960
runway.

704
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,340
It was Victoria Beckham's too, and it was

705
00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:09,180
others that they did, H&M and so

706
00:30:09,180 --> 00:30:11,480
on, and Paris and London and New York,

707
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:11,940
all over.

708
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,000
We liked people to do outrageous things.

709
00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:18,500
They're not so outrageous when you compare them

710
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,380
to what happens to animals, which is truly

711
00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:20,880
outrageous.

712
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,280
Sit in a cage, drag yourself somewhere, lock

713
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,480
yourself to a doorway.

714
00:30:25,860 --> 00:30:27,980
We've done so many things, set fire to

715
00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:30,140
cars that were donated to us so that

716
00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:32,680
we could stop experiments on pigs and baboons

717
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,200
who were used in old car crash experiments.

718
00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:39,840
But, you know, people, if you feel strongly,

719
00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:41,780
don't just bottle it up.

720
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Don't just be vegan yourself.

721
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,780
Being vegan yourself is not enough.

722
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,980
It's just a step.

723
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,660
We can't grow our movement if you sit

724
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:51,000
at home and eat vegan food.

725
00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:53,140
You need to bring other people into the

726
00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:54,840
movement, and that's why we have all the

727
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,140
videos and the pamphlets and the stickers and

728
00:30:58,140 --> 00:31:00,300
everything else, and you have your voice.

729
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,580
But it's wonderful to see activism.

730
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,080
It's vital to see activism, and what you

731
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,800
said is right.

732
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:10,800
If each of us converted five people, or

733
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,660
each of us spent time really agitating in

734
00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:18,800
nice ways or in pushy ways, who cares,

735
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:22,040
we would be able to get the animal

736
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,440
liberation going.

737
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:25,260
We would be able to get the animals

738
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:29,300
out, and we wouldn't have to settle for

739
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:32,080
a slightly bigger cage, a slightly longer chain,

740
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,320
you know, slightly less cruel procedure.

741
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,960
We need them out.

742
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,080
We need liberation for the animals.

743
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:40,440
They are us.

744
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:43,140
They are the same as us.

745
00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:46,920
It's only our prejudice, our feelings of superiority,

746
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,380
which are totally false.

747
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:51,500
If you learn anything about bats or snakes

748
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:55,520
or insects, these animals we despise often, you

749
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,660
find out jaw-dropping facts about their abilities,

750
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,840
their talents, their thinking, their altruism, everything else.

751
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040
We are garbage compared to so many species'

752
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:07,720
abilities.

753
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,300
I wanna ask you a tough question because

754
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,580
I think it's one that a lot of

755
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:14,880
activists grapple with.

756
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,840
You know, there are days where I say,

757
00:32:17,020 --> 00:32:19,080
yeah, wow, we're winning, blah, blah, but there

758
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
are other days, whether it's an encounter with

759
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,820
somebody who you're close to, who no matter

760
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:28,840
what you say, continues to insist on serving

761
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:34,380
dead animals at their functions, or certain things

762
00:32:34,380 --> 00:32:35,980
that just make you deflated.

763
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,500
Do you experience that?

764
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,320
And do you ever get like, do you

765
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,740
ever feel hopeless?

766
00:32:42,740 --> 00:32:45,640
You know, I mean, it doesn't last long,

767
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,060
but there are times where it's just like,

768
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:50,860
what's it gonna take to wake people up?

769
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:52,640
What's it gonna take?

770
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Yeah, this species makes me despondent and I'm

771
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,080
a member of it.

772
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,180
And I think, as I said, what a

773
00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:01,540
slow learner I was.

774
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,060
So I don't despair because I look at

775
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:06,240
myself and I know all the things that

776
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,520
I did.

777
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:07,820
I wanted to be a falconer.

778
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:12,300
My uncle had falcons that he hunted with

779
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,440
and I thought how glamorous, how exotic, how

780
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:14,840
wonderful.

781
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,020
I went fishing.

782
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:17,500
I went deep sea fishing.

783
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:19,020
I mean, I did everything.

784
00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:21,260
And what was it?

785
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:23,820
For me, it was a heart matter.

786
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,580
It was seeing animals suffer that I hadn't

787
00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:29,520
seen and suddenly thinking, what in God's name

788
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,820
am I doing to cause suffering like this?

789
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,720
But for other people to tell if it's

790
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,120
the environment, you don't know what will ping

791
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,460
them into consciousness.

792
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,420
So you have to keep going and you

793
00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:40,780
have to keep trying angles.

794
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,700
And I have somebody I knew years ago.

795
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,620
His name was Michael Handley.

796
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,380
He was an NRA spokesperson.

797
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:50,500
He found a dog.

798
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,500
It was just before the internet or before

799
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:53,180
cell phones.

800
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,620
He found a dog who'd been hit by

801
00:33:54,620 --> 00:33:55,140
a car.

802
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:57,360
And he was desperately, he was on the

803
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,560
Beltway in Washington.

804
00:33:58,780 --> 00:34:00,280
He didn't know which county he was in.

805
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,660
Was he in Prince George's or Montgomery?

806
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,440
And so he had to go off the

807
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,460
Beltway, find a call booth, call the local

808
00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:08,940
police.

809
00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:10,060
They said they didn't help.

810
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:11,159
Call animal control.

811
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:11,940
It was closed.

812
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,780
Try and find in the yellow pages a

813
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:15,659
veterinarian.

814
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:17,440
So he came to me at the Washington

815
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,380
Humane Society at the time and he said,

816
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,179
I will pay for a commercial and I'll

817
00:34:22,179 --> 00:34:24,159
appear in it and I'll give one number

818
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,280
for people so if they find an animal

819
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,960
in trouble, they can call and you have

820
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,620
an answering service and take care of it.

821
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,340
I did.

822
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,480
He made such fun of me for being

823
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,199
a vegetarian.

824
00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:34,980
All he cared about was dogs.

825
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,400
He worked for the NRA.

826
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,540
He was a racist.

827
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:40,639
He was just an incredible challenge.

828
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,620
By the time he died, he had raised

829
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,280
a 17-year-old vegan son.

830
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,580
He spoke out against fishing.

831
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,880
He had resigned from the NRA.

832
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:53,860
He himself was a vegan.

833
00:34:54,260 --> 00:34:56,600
He wouldn't use anything that came from animals.

834
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:59,300
If you had ever said, here's a hopeless

835
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:01,660
case, Mike was a hopeless case.

836
00:35:01,780 --> 00:35:04,080
But it worked in the end.

837
00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:06,860
Well, I think you raise an important point.

838
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:09,500
I've heard people say that it's the people

839
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:13,600
who fight you the most vigorously who may

840
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,500
be the most open to change because it's

841
00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,220
a defence mechanism so they're pushing back.

842
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,720
No, you're not gonna change me but it's

843
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,680
the people who absolutely have no reaction that

844
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:26,880
you really have to worry about.

845
00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:32,420
Through your years of activism, PETA founded 44

846
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:33,400
years ago.

847
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:36,480
You launched the world's most powerful animal rights

848
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,180
organisation.

849
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:42,260
Have you made any observations or conclusions about

850
00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:46,160
what personality types are low-hanging fruit?

851
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,240
Actually, that's a very tough question because Mike,

852
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,940
I would have said, was the highest hanging

853
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:53,980
fruit you could get.

854
00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:58,300
I don't know because I've seen almost everybody

855
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,700
change for one reason or the other with

856
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:03,480
no particular type.

857
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:06,500
I mean, people say, oh, well, liberals, they're

858
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:09,820
gonna be, no, I find more Republicans, if

859
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:13,080
anything, in Congress who are against animal experimentation

860
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,920
and more Democrats who are in favour of

861
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,520
veganism.

862
00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:19,780
And they both involve horrendous suffering of animals.

863
00:36:20,260 --> 00:36:23,380
So it's not that, I honestly don't know.

864
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,280
And people say an old dog can't learn

865
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,000
new tricks and yet you find here's Ruth

866
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080
Heydrich becoming a vegan that whatever she was,

867
00:36:32,140 --> 00:36:33,240
70 or something.

868
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,940
And I find those things every day.

869
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,800
And kids, of course, if you don't desensitise

870
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,100
them, maybe they're the low-hanging fruit because

871
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:44,800
they've got many years ahead of them if

872
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,900
you can change them early, so that's good.

873
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:50,980
But also because, maybe because they're small, that

874
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:52,680
they relate to animals.

875
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,580
Maybe because they're not listened to as much,

876
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,060
they relate to animals.

877
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,700
And it's only when they grow up and

878
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:03,920
they're taken aside by career or money or

879
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,900
the way culture is or who their loved

880
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:09,460
one, what they think, that they start to

881
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:11,920
change and become a little bit cold.

882
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,260
So everybody is fair game.

883
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:17,700
Don't give up on anybody, go for it.

884
00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:19,320
That's what I say.

885
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:20,960
When people say, what's your target audience?

886
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,440
I say people who eat food.

887
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:27,380
Speaking of food, the vast majority of animals

888
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:28,720
killed for food are chickens.

889
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,760
If we could just get people off chickens,

890
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,260
we would literally be able to reduce by

891
00:37:36,260 --> 00:37:37,940
more than three quarters the number of animals

892
00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:38,300
killed.

893
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:39,940
You've spoken about this.

894
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:42,380
For my 75th birthday, may I ask you

895
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:43,500
to do one thing?

896
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,780
Don't eat chickens or eggs.

897
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:48,900
And in one year, I believe that you

898
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:51,340
will have saved the lives of about 20

899
00:37:51,340 --> 00:37:53,700
of these dear, wonderful little birds.

900
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,080
And can you please decide to feed vegan

901
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,360
chicken salad, vegan hard-boiled eggs, maybe vegan

902
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,460
scramble to non-vegans.

903
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,400
Post our chicken in reverse or other videos

904
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,380
on your social media pages and talk to

905
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:12,180
people about the fantasy of cage-free eggs

906
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:14,880
so that other people can save chickens too.

907
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,320
That way, you'll have soon saved 75 of

908
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:18,500
them.

909
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,520
What a great video.

910
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,180
What can we do about chickens as I

911
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:30,200
drive down the Miracle Miles and I see

912
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,480
Chick-fil-A and all the other chicken

913
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,720
-centric fast food joints?

914
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:39,820
I just, that's the kind of moment that

915
00:38:39,820 --> 00:38:41,280
gets me a little overwhelmed.

916
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,560
Like, how are we going to handle this?

917
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,320
But then I realised that when change happens,

918
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:47,760
it happens very rapidly.

919
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:51,240
Looking back at some old documentaries, you see

920
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,900
the moment where cars entered the picture and

921
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:56,800
since time immemorial, people were getting from point

922
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,120
A to point B on horseback.

923
00:38:59,260 --> 00:39:02,520
And then in a very tiny period of

924
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,760
time, you saw the streets change radically where

925
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,540
the horse was the outlier and it was

926
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:10,160
all cars.

927
00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:13,240
Yeah, you've got to certainly speak to store

928
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,200
managers, to fast food outlets, go online, speak

929
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:16,780
to them there.

930
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,060
Ask them when they're getting faux chicken.

931
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:21,200
You know, in England, you can get it.

932
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,160
The KFC in England, as soon as I

933
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,580
get off the plane, I don't go to

934
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:26,600
some gourmet place.

935
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:28,220
I go to the KFC and get a

936
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:31,040
faux chicken sandwich because they're just so great.

937
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,020
But all these things, Gardein has chicken nuggets

938
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:36,800
and they're there.

939
00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:39,920
But if we are the squeaky wheels, we

940
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,720
are consumers.

941
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Our purse, our pocketbooks count.

942
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,760
Everybody's looking at us to see what we're

943
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,320
going to buy.

944
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,940
So we need to make sure they know

945
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:50,320
we'll be there if you sell it.

946
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:52,460
But I think the big thing, as I

947
00:39:52,460 --> 00:39:56,320
said in that video, Jane, is vegans shouldn't

948
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,400
just be talking to other vegans and looking

949
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,600
after their own interests.

950
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,460
We need to find people who are getting

951
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:07,500
the chicken salad or getting the chicken drumsticks

952
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,000
and talk to them.

953
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,520
We were talking to United Airlines for a

954
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,040
long time.

955
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,060
I was just on a United Airlines flight

956
00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:17,800
back from Europe and they, and this is

957
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,420
the second one that I was on in

958
00:40:19,420 --> 00:40:22,440
two weeks or so, and they had the

959
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,100
meal option.

960
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,540
Meal option is always beef or chicken, beef

961
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:26,980
or chicken.

962
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:29,620
And this time, of course, it was chicken,

963
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,120
but it was also a vegetarian option, which

964
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:33,840
was a lasagna.

965
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:36,060
I mean, I'm against dairy, but there you

966
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:36,240
are.

967
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,080
We've come a step.

968
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:40,820
And I thought, you know, it's moving.

969
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,160
The needle is moving, but agitation, asking for

970
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,840
the special meal if you fly, asking on

971
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,320
the website for, you just got to say

972
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,880
what you want and push and educate others

973
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,800
to get it and feed the non-vegans,

974
00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:57,580
feed the people who are buying the chicken

975
00:40:57,580 --> 00:40:57,960
meat.

976
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Give them the Gardein stuff and say, look,

977
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:02,880
it's so much better for your health, your

978
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,140
arteries, the earth, the chickens, whatever moves you.

979
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,460
Well, so many things to respond to with

980
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:10,740
that.

981
00:41:10,740 --> 00:41:14,940
There is an ongoing coordinated multimillion dollar campaign

982
00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:16,300
by the meat industry.

983
00:41:16,580 --> 00:41:19,360
It's been documented in a Gardein article.

984
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:21,820
It's been documented by a new, more than

985
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:25,700
100 page report by the Freedom Food Alliance.

986
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,220
They are trying to demonise a plant-based

987
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:34,860
meat as processed or ultra processed, not mentioning

988
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:38,900
that processed meat from animals is officially cancer

989
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:41,340
causing according to the World Health Organisation.

990
00:41:41,740 --> 00:41:43,000
What's your response to that?

991
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,020
Is PETA doing anything to counteract that campaign?

992
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:49,380
Yes, and a bunch of other stupid campaigns

993
00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:51,240
that these frat boys come up with.

994
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:54,820
The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, I think

995
00:41:54,820 --> 00:41:59,000
this week is issuing some videos about how

996
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,940
processed regular meat that comes from cows and

997
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,840
chickens is.

998
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,540
I mean, the cow and the chicken is

999
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:08,580
a processing machine and there are hormones in

1000
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:08,780
it.

1001
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:10,400
There are chemicals in it.

1002
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,020
The fat is put in from the chicken.

1003
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:15,560
The fibre is taken out.

1004
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:18,520
It's just, it's such a ludicrous thing.

1005
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:20,840
It reminds me of when, during the fur

1006
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,680
wars again, that the furriers came up with

1007
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:24,400
this great thing.

1008
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,080
We don't use any fur from endangered species.

1009
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,860
Well, nobody said you didn't, nobody cares anyway.

1010
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,860
We just, all animals, thank you.

1011
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,720
So they're always coming up.

1012
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:37,280
They're now trying to ban in vitro meat

1013
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,240
before it's a real thing.

1014
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:40,720
I mean, it's not in the supermarkets.

1015
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,760
It's not in the restaurants, except for an

1016
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,440
occasional very elite taste testing, but they're trying

1017
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:46,920
to ban it.

1018
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:48,760
They've already banned it in Florida, I think.

1019
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,300
So this reactionary kowtowing to the Cattlemen's Association,

1020
00:42:55,020 --> 00:42:58,880
worrying about what's woke and what's traditional, all

1021
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,900
this sort of rubbish.

1022
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,720
And it's so easy to combat because everything

1023
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,800
they say is gibberish.

1024
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,060
And it's so easy to just say, no,

1025
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,640
actually, what you're eating is not only highly

1026
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,800
processed, but no matter whether it's bologna or

1027
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,460
it's a chicken thigh, it's processed.

1028
00:43:17,820 --> 00:43:20,280
And it also has no fibre.

1029
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:22,060
It has tonnes of cholesterol.

1030
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:24,800
It's gonna clog your arteries and eventually animals

1031
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,980
will bite back and kill you.

1032
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:31,020
One of the things that highlights, Peta, is

1033
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:34,680
you're going out on a limb with creative,

1034
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,600
controversial campaigns that attempt to wake people up.

1035
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:44,280
And critics of Peta love to throw the,

1036
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,180
oh, red paint thing, like anybody at Peta

1037
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:49,620
has thrown red paint for 40 years, if

1038
00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:50,780
you ever did it.

1039
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,480
But I always respond by saying, look, they

1040
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,240
have something like 19 lawyers.

1041
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,840
They file lawsuits.

1042
00:43:56,980 --> 00:43:59,200
They issue Freedom of Information Act requests.

1043
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,340
They put out in-depth news releases that

1044
00:44:02,340 --> 00:44:02,860
I read.

1045
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,900
They don't get covered by mainstream media.

1046
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:06,880
It's almost like you have to get naked

1047
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,720
or you have to get arrested in order

1048
00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:12,440
to get mainstream news media coverage of this

1049
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:12,780
issue.

1050
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,320
And the reason, of course, is look at

1051
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,920
the advertisers on mainstream media, meat, dairy, and

1052
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,380
pharmaceuticals, okay?

1053
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,580
So you do very creative things.

1054
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,420
I'll just play one that you just have

1055
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:26,620
going right now.

1056
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:32,000
We got this from a volunteer, a member

1057
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,800
of our team in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

1058
00:44:34,940 --> 00:44:37,060
We've been giving away vegan hot dogs.

1059
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,980
We've been giving away vegan hot dogs and

1060
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:42,220
they're going like hotcakes.

1061
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,820
We've only got 20 left.

1062
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:46,180
We've got a bit of 150 in five

1063
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:46,960
seconds flat.

1064
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,180
And I am gonna eat one before they're

1065
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:49,720
all gone.

1066
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:12,050
So this truck was outside a rib festival.

1067
00:45:12,690 --> 00:45:14,690
Tell us about that strategy, Ingrid.

1068
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:19,410
Well, you're right that nowadays it's very hard

1069
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:21,030
to get serious discussion going.

1070
00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:23,330
You have to have gimmickry.

1071
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:26,610
You have to have sex or controversy, confrontation,

1072
00:45:27,070 --> 00:45:27,710
and so on.

1073
00:45:27,730 --> 00:45:30,490
So people are always astonished when they hear

1074
00:45:30,490 --> 00:45:32,530
how many scientists we have, how many lawyers

1075
00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:38,710
we have, how many undercover investigations, how many

1076
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:41,850
everything other than a catchy demonstration, which is

1077
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:43,250
interesting to look at.

1078
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:46,610
We have our pig truck, Hell on Wheels.

1079
00:45:46,810 --> 00:45:49,550
We have chicken trucks, Hell on Wheels, that

1080
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:51,790
are going around the country to rib fests,

1081
00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:55,750
to hot dog eating contests, to hot dog

1082
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:56,730
and hamburger outlets.

1083
00:45:56,970 --> 00:45:58,910
And they all have soundtracks.

1084
00:45:59,010 --> 00:46:01,250
So you hear the pigs screaming and those

1085
00:46:01,250 --> 00:46:02,730
are real pigs screaming.

1086
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:04,070
That's an audio recording.

1087
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:08,210
You hear the chickens crying and being upset.

1088
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:10,770
And we drive around, people look at it,

1089
00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:12,970
and it says at the bottom, after you've

1090
00:46:12,970 --> 00:46:15,750
stared at it, you'll see, it says, if

1091
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:17,770
this upsets you, please go vegan.

1092
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:19,570
And there are vegan starter kits there for

1093
00:46:19,570 --> 00:46:20,730
people and we hand them out.

1094
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:24,650
So it's gimmickry because otherwise you can't get

1095
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:26,970
people to turn around and look in this

1096
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:30,130
day and age of so much competing for

1097
00:46:30,130 --> 00:46:31,290
everyone's attention.

1098
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:34,850
What would you say to the mainstream media?

1099
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,230
I was in the mainstream media for more

1100
00:46:37,230 --> 00:46:38,170
than 30 years.

1101
00:46:38,330 --> 00:46:40,890
And I know having been behind the curtain,

1102
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:45,050
it's just incredibly slanted against plant-based because

1103
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:47,490
of the advertisers who keep the lights on,

1104
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:50,450
meat dairy and pharmaceuticals, also because a lot

1105
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:52,410
of the people who are deciding what's news

1106
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:54,730
are not vegans, they're meat eaters.

1107
00:46:54,730 --> 00:47:00,610
And so they ignore stories, important stories that

1108
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:04,230
talk about the benefits of a plant-based

1109
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:08,390
diet, for example, reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

1110
00:47:08,670 --> 00:47:09,910
They completely ignore it.

1111
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:11,650
The New York Times did a story that

1112
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:14,950
said that people who go from being heavy

1113
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:17,870
meat eaters to plant-based can reduce their

1114
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:20,430
greenhouse gas emissions by 75%.

1115
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:22,990
I thought, surely, it's in the New York

1116
00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:25,030
Times, it's an Oxford University study.

1117
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:26,390
They'll cover that, right?

1118
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:28,710
No, once again, disappointed.

1119
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:32,370
I mean, how bankrupt has the media become

1120
00:47:32,370 --> 00:47:33,130
on this issue?

1121
00:47:33,790 --> 00:47:36,170
Well, we try, as you know, to run

1122
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:39,770
commercials and then they're mild because we know

1123
00:47:39,770 --> 00:47:41,510
we can't get the gory ones on, the

1124
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:44,750
real life things, the real life pictures and

1125
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:46,830
so on and videos that we have.

1126
00:47:47,290 --> 00:47:50,870
We try to get them on major networks,

1127
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:53,930
national networks, and we'll pay top dollar and

1128
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:55,890
they won't take them because they know that

1129
00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:58,070
we are a one-off advertiser or a

1130
00:47:58,070 --> 00:48:03,090
few-time advertiser, whereas Butterball and all these

1131
00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:05,790
other companies are going to put money in

1132
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:06,270
their pockets.

1133
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:08,650
And media is hurting at the moment, as

1134
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:11,390
you know, and people aren't watching TV news,

1135
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:12,570
they're watching on the internet.

1136
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:15,470
Newspapers have lost so many reporters.

1137
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:17,710
It's very, very hard.

1138
00:48:17,830 --> 00:48:20,850
And that, I think, comes back to why

1139
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:24,290
it is beyond important that people use their

1140
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:27,910
own voices, their own social media platforms, that

1141
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:30,210
they talk to everybody and that they show

1142
00:48:30,210 --> 00:48:32,250
the videos and they get the facts out

1143
00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:32,490
there.

1144
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:35,670
We have an ad now that says, you

1145
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:37,370
know, if you're talking about, you say you're

1146
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:40,550
an environmentalist, if you still eat meat or

1147
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:42,930
eat dairy, put a cork in it, and

1148
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:45,030
it's a picture of the earth.

1149
00:48:45,330 --> 00:48:47,330
I mean, just be quiet if you say

1150
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:49,450
you're an environmentalist but you still eat animals

1151
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:51,630
and dairy products, dairy is worse, of course,

1152
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:52,030
than meat.

1153
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:56,370
Yes, another major frustration, people who say they're

1154
00:48:56,370 --> 00:49:00,670
environmentalists and they're having organisational meetings and they're

1155
00:49:00,670 --> 00:49:01,330
serving meat.

1156
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:04,930
You know, you raise the point of, it's

1157
00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:06,870
important for every one of us to use

1158
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:07,330
our voice.

1159
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:10,170
With 8.1 billion humans on the planet,

1160
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:12,170
we can't hope to talk to them all

1161
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:16,090
individually, which is why I started Unchained TV,

1162
00:49:16,210 --> 00:49:19,030
the world's only vegan streaming television network.

1163
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:22,390
This is my opportunity to urge everyone watching,

1164
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:25,970
please download Unchained TV, it's absolutely 100%

1165
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:27,890
free, takes a second to go to your

1166
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:29,470
app store on your phone and download it,

1167
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:31,190
you can also watch it online and you

1168
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:32,890
can watch it on any Samsung TV and

1169
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:35,290
any TV if you've got an Amazon Fire

1170
00:49:35,290 --> 00:49:37,450
Stick, a Roku device or an Apple TV

1171
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:37,890
device.

1172
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:39,810
So it's a vegan Netflix.

1173
00:49:40,130 --> 00:49:42,010
Okay, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

1174
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:43,250
I love Unchained TV.

1175
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:46,870
Unchained, Unchained TV, your life will change, it's

1176
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:47,410
just that easy.

1177
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:50,250
Unchained TV has all sorts of content for

1178
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:50,750
everybody.

1179
00:49:51,310 --> 00:49:53,150
Unchained TV changed my life.

1180
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:56,290
Unchained TV is crushing it.

1181
00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:57,950
I love Unchained TV.

1182
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:59,970
Unchained TV is my go-to.

1183
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:02,050
Unchained TV, who knew?

1184
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:04,530
Unchained, baby, yeah!

1185
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,860
Yes, and that last lady was the director

1186
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:16,160
of the Twilight series and she actually said

1187
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,900
that she made some of her characters vegetarian,

1188
00:50:19,660 --> 00:50:24,360
that's vegetarian, but to encourage people from not

1189
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,400
eating animals.

1190
00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:28,320
So we only have a couple of minutes

1191
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,800
left.

1192
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:30,420
What is the future?

1193
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,000
What does the future hold, Ingrid?

1194
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:36,140
I think the future depends on everybody watching

1195
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:37,400
and everybody they know.

1196
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,260
You hold the key to the future.

1197
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:42,140
You know, Jane, you've got these fabulous talents.

1198
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,180
Everybody has some fabulous talents.

1199
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,620
I'm basically talentless, but I'm enthusiastic.

1200
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,660
And everybody can get out there and make

1201
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:51,540
this happen.

1202
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:54,380
And that will be our future of animals

1203
00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:55,920
still in chains and cages.

1204
00:50:56,580 --> 00:50:58,560
I mean, we've even got dogs out in

1205
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,060
this extreme heat on a chain in the

1206
00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:04,040
backyard in a dirt patch in their own

1207
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,340
urine.

1208
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,140
I mean, if we can't get with our

1209
00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:09,920
legislators locally and get that banned, come on,

1210
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:12,020
there's something that will call to you, something

1211
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:12,620
you can do.

1212
00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:15,420
Never sit home and think, there's nothing I

1213
00:51:15,420 --> 00:51:15,960
can do.

1214
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,800
I'm only one person, one person, one person.

1215
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:22,420
I wrote a book called, One Can Make

1216
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:23,060
a Difference.

1217
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:24,340
And you are that one.

1218
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:26,420
Every single person listening is that one.

1219
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,980
So thank you, Jane, for having this fantastic,

1220
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,380
phenomenal podcast.

1221
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:33,300
You are changing the world and everybody can.

1222
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:34,300
We all can.

1223
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,780
Well, you fill me with hope.

1224
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,400
I'm gonna get all teary-eyed because you

1225
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,360
are my hero.

1226
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:44,180
I often say to myself, what would Ingrid

1227
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:45,140
Newkirk do?

1228
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:49,740
And I'm not joking, because your consistency, your

1229
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:53,840
relentlessness, your strategic brilliance.

1230
00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:57,360
I mean, everybody, it's easy to be an

1231
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,580
activist if you go on PETA's website, sign

1232
00:52:00,580 --> 00:52:01,740
up for these alerts.

1233
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,760
I get them on my phone and I

1234
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,620
literally, I stop whatever I'm doing.

1235
00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:07,460
If I get them on my email or

1236
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:08,960
I get them on my phone, because I

1237
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,140
know I can get to the finish line

1238
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:16,460
and reach somebody important with, just like this,

1239
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:18,020
bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

1240
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,500
In fact, for your 75th birthday, you have

1241
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,580
an entire way that people can do this.

1242
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:26,160
It's very simple and we'll just put this

1243
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,540
up so everybody can just go to PETA

1244
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:31,100
.org forward slash 75.

1245
00:52:32,260 --> 00:52:35,080
And what it does is, if you wanna

1246
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,780
celebrate Ingrid Newkirk's birthday, she's 75 years young,

1247
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:43,140
you can take these actions by going to

1248
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:46,460
that PETA.org forward slash 75.

1249
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,820
And it's so easy.

1250
00:52:48,980 --> 00:52:51,760
I literally clicked bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

1251
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:54,780
And then I got all these notifications on

1252
00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:55,260
my email.

1253
00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:56,660
Thank you for doing this.

1254
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,780
Thank you for doing that.

1255
00:52:57,940 --> 00:52:59,040
Thank you for doing this.

1256
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,080
Thank you for doing that.

1257
00:53:00,620 --> 00:53:04,560
You know, it doesn't require you going out

1258
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,660
and getting sweaty and having a confrontation with

1259
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:07,980
somebody.

1260
00:53:07,980 --> 00:53:10,000
PETA's doing all the heavy lifting.

1261
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,600
All you need to do is sign up

1262
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,860
and be part of their rapid response team.

1263
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:17,380
And it's super fun.

1264
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,280
I feel very empowered.

1265
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,720
Like if I'm struggling with a project one

1266
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,880
day and then I get this and I

1267
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,340
go bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, I already

1268
00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:26,880
feel like, okay, I've accomplished something.

1269
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,540
It energises me to move forward.

1270
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,680
So I just wanna say thank you, Ingrid

1271
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:37,400
Newkirk, for starting PETA, for your 44 years

1272
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,220
of relentless activism as the head of PETA.

1273
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:44,860
And I just urge everybody, I wish we

1274
00:53:44,860 --> 00:53:47,200
could all get together and sing happy birthday

1275
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:47,700
to you.

1276
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,420
And many more.

1277
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,280
Talk to you soon.

1278
00:53:53,460 --> 00:53:54,580
Thank you, Jane.

1279
00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:55,360
Thank you.

1280
00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:55,980
Bye.