UnchainedTV: Robot Elephants Are Replacing Real Ones! And, That's Great!

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Check this out.

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Those are not real elephants.

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They look like real elephants, but they are

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life-size robotic elephants.

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And that photo was taken moments ago in

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India.

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We are bringing you the latest.

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Here's what happened.

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Captive elephant-related tragedies, which you're looking at,

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have now killed six people and left more

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than 50 people injured in India.

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This one temple ceremony turned into a nightmare

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when two elephants, as you can see, spooked

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by fireworks, deprivation, exhaustion, and abuse, sparked chaos

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in the huge crowd.

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There was another captive elephant at a different

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festival who gored two people, one of whom

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later died in a desperate bid for freedom.

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That elephant ran for more than eight miles

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before being recaptured.

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And you can see the attempts to recapture

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that poor, poor, animal.

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And this has highlighted the immense suffering and

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safety risks posed by elephants used in temple

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ceremonies in India.

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And now, what a miracle, you are looking

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at robotic elephants.

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They are realistic, they are life-size, and

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they offer the solution.

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All of India's temple elephants can be sent

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to sanctuary to live out their lives in

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peace while these lifelike robots take their place,

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preserving the culture without cruelty.

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And we are so honoured to have the

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woman who is making this happen.

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She is spearheading this, Sangeeta Iyer, Executive Director

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of Voices for Asian Elephants and award-winning

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filmmaker of the UN-nominated documentary, Gods in

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Shackles.

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What you are looking at now are robotic

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elephants.

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Tell us all about it, Sangeeta.

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It's wonderful to be here, Jane, and what

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a great honour for me to be on

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this show to talk about these precious animals.

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And yes, indeed, they are robotic elephants and

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they weigh approximately 800 kilos.

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You can multiply that to make it into

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pounds, 2.2 pounds.

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I mean, one pound, sorry, one kilo is

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2.2 pounds.

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And they look exactly like live elephants, ears

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moving, eyes moving, tails moving, and they even

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sprinkle water on the devotees.

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And so this is really catching on.

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We launched our very first robotic elephant last

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year in the Southern Indian state of Tamil

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Nadu.

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And the first few images that you shared

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earlier, that was from the location called Gudalur

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at the Sivan Kovil.

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And so I went there live to watch

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this.

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I mean, live on camera that is.

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And it was just an incredible privilege to

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realise that what we are doing is making

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a difference.

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This particular elephant you're seeing, his name is

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Shiva Shakti.

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And Shiva Shakti was just donated recently on

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February the 24th to a temple called Bhagavati

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Temple, which is located in Thrissur, Kerala.

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And Kerala is actually the elephant entertainment hub.

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It is indeed the ground zero for elephant

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torture.

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And this is where my film, Gods and

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Shackles, that is now streaming live on Unchained

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TV, this is where it was entirely produced.

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And so for me, it's a full, like,

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you know, coming full circle kind of moment

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for me, because this is where everything started.

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And to be able to present this incredibly

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precious robotic elephant that has, you know, kind

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of replaced the live elephant in this particular

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temple is just like an aha moment for

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me.

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And one of the great things about donating

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this elephant is that they appreciate, they understand

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the value of not using live elephants.

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And one of the founders or one of

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the persons who actually was responsible who organised

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this whole robotic elephant, he came and he

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said that just a few months ago, a

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live elephant was so frustrated, so distressed that

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he gored his handler and killed him instantaneously.

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That's when the temple made a commitment that

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they would never, ever use live elephants.

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But then they didn't know where to turn

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until Voices for Asian Elephants.

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We came into the picture and we said,

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we're going to help you.

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You can still have the cultural festivals.

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Cultures can thrive.

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Elephants don't have to suffer.

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People don't have to get killed in the

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stampedes.

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And there could be a total peaceful coexistence

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between elephants and culture and the traditions, right?

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So it's a win-win situation for all.

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When I'm looking at this, I'm seeing, I

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can't tell the difference.

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I actually, when you sent me this footage,

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I was like, I hope I got this

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right.

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I hope these are the robot elephants and

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not the real ones because I'm looking at

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this and I'm like, damn, they look so

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real.

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Their eyes move, their ears move.

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They, as you said, people can also get

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on top of them because part of the

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abuse is that a lot of times there's,

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you know, four or five, six men on

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top of these elephants.

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And I saw some four men on top

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of one of these robotic elephants.

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They're so fantastic that you really have to

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remind yourself, these are robot elephants.

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Look, there's the guys on there.

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One, two, three, four, at least, that I'm

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seeing.

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So they're strong.

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They're huge.

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How much do they cost?

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Because I know that your nonprofit has very

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little overhead.

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Everything you do goes directly to saving elephants

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in India.

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That's your life's work.

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How much do these cost?

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We're going to go straight out to you.

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How much do these cost?

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They cost about $10,000.

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And this includes not just the creation of

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the elephant, designing of the elephant, but also

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the jewellery and the transportation and all of

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the rest that goes with it.

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Yeah.

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$10,000.

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That's not a lot.

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No, that's not, not at all.

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And this elephant has the ability to do

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almost everything that a live elephant does, except

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it won't run amok.

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You know, the robotic elephant will not run

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amok.

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He sprinkles water on the devotees, which is

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one of the big deals, you know, that

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they think that they are blessed when the

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elephant sprays water and, you know, their beliefs

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are valuable and it can be preserved.

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The traditions can be preserved, like I said,

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and yet elephants don't have to suffer.

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And you mentioned about the men sitting on

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top of the elephants, right?

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When they do that on live elephants, they

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have to control the live elephants using brute

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force, which means they'd have to use bull

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hook and they have to use long poles

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and keep poking and prodding.

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In fact, some of the elephants, the live

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elephants are even drugged so that they can

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be brought under control.

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There's so many evil things that they do

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to these poor, precious, intelligent, highly supremely social

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animals.

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And these robotic elephants completely prevent all of

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the cruelty and the suffering that live elephants

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would never ever have to endure.

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Yeah.

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And the image that you're just showing, this

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is one of the elephants who ran amok

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on February the 13th.

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And as you showed previously a footage of

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two elephants attacking each other, what happened was

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there was fireworks that they were lighting up

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just behind them, so close to them.

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And both these elephants, they were spooked and

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they didn't know what to do.

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And so they kind of started attacking each

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other in the process.

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Three people were killed, three devotees were killed,

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50 of them seriously injured.

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But here's the thing, one of the elephants,

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the image that you showed, he was so

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badly injured.

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He sustained at least 24 grievous injuries.

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And worse still, despite those grievous injuries, they

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shackled and they took him to wherever he

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was brought from and tortured him further instead

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of nurturing him.

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Of course, there were veterinarians who were trying

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to treat them.

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But in order for them to bring the

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elephants under control, as I said earlier, they

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had to impose brute force.

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And this is where despite the elephants being

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injured, they still had to suffer.

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No compassion, no love, only cruelty.

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All that has been replaced by the robotic

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elephants.

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And we are just so excited.

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We are over the moon to be contributing

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these robotic elephants.

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And we are only going to expand.

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There are so many temples who are so

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delighted seeing the progress and how they can

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still preserve their culture and traditions.

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And they're actually asking, how can we obtain

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these robotic elephants?

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So we're absolutely thrilled to be, we hope

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to do, provide like two or three more

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this year later.

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And I'll share with you when it happens.

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And yeah, it's all good.

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What I would like to say is I

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think this is the best spend for animal

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rights that I've ever heard.

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Because look, we all donate, we donate our

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time, we donate our money as much as

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we can.

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And sometimes it's hypothetical, it's you're giving to

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a possibility.

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But in this case, for only $10,000,

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so two people could split five each and

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get an elephant.

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My question to you is, because I've seen

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this work in the past with other groups,

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naming rights.

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If somebody donated $10,000, for example, I'm

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not saying I'm doing this, but my name's

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Jane.

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Is there an Indian word for Jane?

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Would you be able to name the elephant

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after the person who donated?

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Take that away.

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That's a really good question.

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Actually, I'll tell you something, right?

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The first robotic elephant was donated by a

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person by the name of Ganesh Hariharan.

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He donated it in his father's name.

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He lives in Chicago, but he donated it

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in his father's name.

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So we call the elephant Shankar Hariharan.

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We gave him the last name.

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Now, with regards to this particular elephant, he

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was donated by Dolores Whitley.

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Obviously, we couldn't call the elephant Whitley because

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you need to have an Indian name and

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there's no Indian translation.

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So what we did was we asked her,

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here are three Indian names, which one would

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you prefer?

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And we gave her the opportunity to select

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the name.

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So that's something we can do.

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And somewhere at the bottom of the foot

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of the elephant or something we can say

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donated by Jane Valez Michelle, for instance.

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That's very sweet of you.

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Look, I would go in 50-50 with

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somebody.

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If somebody were willing to do 5,000,

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I would do 5,000.

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Or if we could get four people to

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do 2,500, I would do 2,500

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because I've never seen anything that has such

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a payoff immediately.

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So I want to say that right now,

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I will say that if we can get,

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and I'll just say this right off the

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top of my head, I wasn't thinking about

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it, but I'll do 2,500.

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If we get three other people who can

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each do 2,500, we can have an

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elephant.

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I don't need the naming rights.

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I will give the naming rights to the

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other three people.

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Let's keep it out there in the atmosphere

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and let's see what happens.

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Additionally, you could get 10 people giving $1

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,000 each.

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But what I love about this is that

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the payoff is immediate and we know that

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there are temples in India who want these.

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So somebody asked, how do we donate?

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It's very, very simple.

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It's the easiest thing in the world.

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You go to vfaes.org forward slash donate.

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That's vfaes.org forward slash donate.

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That stands for voices for asianelephantsociety.org.

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So I urge everybody, look, $5, you can

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become a monthly donor.

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I love this idea because the payoff is

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immediate and what these animals have gone through,

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the real ones, I just can't even imagine.

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It makes me completely embarrassed to be a

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human being.

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Let's listen to and watch the actual rampage

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that occurred and you will hear the fireworks

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in the background.

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It's disturbing, but we're only gonna play you

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a very short less than 30 seconds of

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it.

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So that

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is, it's revolting and let's not attack any

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particular nationality or culture.

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We can talk about what's happening to elephants

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in zoos here in the United States.

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And that's also horrific.

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We're going to get to that in a

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minute.

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So tell us who in their right minds

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would set off fireworks when there's two elephants

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right there.

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Now, before you answer that question, let me

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say that right where I live, they set

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off fireworks every 4th of July next to

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a bird sanctuary.

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So again, this is a human problem, not

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a problem of any particular ethnicity or or

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nationality.

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Take it away.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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First of all, I want to thank you

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so much for your generosity.

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And you have started a chain reaction, put

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it out in the universe.

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Thank you for your offer.

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And we will promote it on our website.

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Okay, with regards to the fireworks, listen, there

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are real stringent guidelines, rules, regulations, etc.

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Nobody enforces it because the elephant lobby groups,

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they have immense power to do whatever they

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want.

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In fact, the Kerala High Court had issued

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specific guidelines saying you have to keep the

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elephants at least eight metres apart.

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What did you see in that image?

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They were right.

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I mean, in that video, they were right

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next to each other.

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And where was the fireworks coming from?

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Behind the wall, right next to the elephant,

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this this book, they were completely spooked, right?

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You saw that.

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So you're absolutely right.

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Anyone in the right frame of mind will

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never do this.

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And given that this is a temple, would

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you not follow the guidelines?

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And would you not conduct ethical practise?

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This is our challenge.

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And these two elephants that you saw running

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amok, these are from a world renowned temple

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called the Guruvayur temple.

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And my organisation voices for Asian elephants had

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launched a public interest litigation three years ago.

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And now they're actually still arguing the case.

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But some incredible things have happened.

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Because the Animal Welfare Board of India, the

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Central Zoo Authority, and all of these top

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Indian animal welfare organisations run by the government,

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they have completely validated what we have been

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suggesting all along that elephants are being mistreated.

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And that if they are going to be

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held in captivity, they need a minimum of

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two acres of land to roam freely, unchained

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when they're not being used in cultural festivals,

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they need to be given a minimum amount

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of water, they need to be given a

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minimum amount and a certain type of diet,

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and they need to be provided with shelter.

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That's the absolute basic right to be shaded

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from the elements like rain and sunshine and

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torrential thunderstorm and lightning that also spooks the

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elephants.

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And a couple of them have died because

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of heart attack, literally, you know, and so

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even these basic things, this world renowned temple

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cannot provide Guruvayur temple.

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And that's what is really gut wrenching to

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me.

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Like when you are a temple, you are

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supposed to practise the basic Hindu tenet called

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Ahimsa.

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Ahimsa means non violence, yet everything being inflicted

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upon these elephants, everything is violent, because in

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order to control this massive animal, you have

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to impose brute force, real force.

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And that in turn hurts these supremely intelligent

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and highly sensitive animals.

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And so yeah, so it's time, you know,

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that all of the religious institutions took charge.

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We have some breaking news.

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So people are saying they want to donate.

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People want to get together to get at

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least one elephant out of this broadcast.

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So let's go to the comments.

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This is super exciting.

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We have the incredibly generous Nilofar Ashgarian, who

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often helps us, who says that she is

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going to second what somebody else said, a

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team of 10 to each donate 1000.

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So we've got Nilofar, we've got me, and

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we've got this person who said that he

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or she would, she I guess, I think

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you said 10,000, we need 10 people

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to do 1000.

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So Extropian Transhuman, which is quite a name,

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are you willing, you can comment, are you

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willing to give 1000?

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Because then we're on our way, we've already

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got 3000.

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And we can move this up throughout the

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course of this conversation.

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There was somebody else, Bruce Anderson, who asked,

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Sangeeta, does this ensure that an elephant will

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be released to sanctuary, take it away?

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No, it doesn't ensure that they'll be released

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into a sanctuary because they don't have sanctuaries

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for wild elephants.

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They do have wildlife rescue and rehab centres

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run by the government.

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And it is up to the elephant owners,

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you see, because these elephants, so you need

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to understand the whole situation behind the captive

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elephants of Kerala.

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These elephants are owned by private citizens.

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What these private citizens do is they lease

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out these elephants for these temple rituals, right?

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And they make money out of this.

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If they are so culturally and traditionally connected,

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then they should not even be charging, right?

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Or they should not even be using the

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elephants in the first place.

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So the point in providing these robotic elephants

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is to reduce the demand of live elephants.

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When you reduce the demand of the live

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elephants, it's going to cut into their pocketbook.

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And then they'll realise, oh, my goodness, there's

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nothing we can do with these live elephants.

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So we might as well voluntarily surrender them

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into an elephant rehab centre.

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So there's nothing we can do to, like

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in Thailand, you can buy out elephants.

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That's not possible here in India because of

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the laws, right, that many of them flout.

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And yet when we try to do something

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legally and ethically, we get attacked, being called

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the enemy of culture, et cetera, et cetera.

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But to answer your question, this will actually

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reduce the demand for live elephants in many

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temples and ultimately cut into the pocketbook.

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This is going to take time and effort.

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And I cannot guarantee that these private elephant

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owners will voluntarily even give those elephants away.

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But if they're not able to make money

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out of these elephants, which they need in

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order to maintain them, then I reckon they

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would have no choice but to give them

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away.

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And we would say, OK, bring them to

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the elephant rehab centre.

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Again, in India, private rehab centres are not

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allowed.

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I mean, this is kind of crazy, right?

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There are one or two available in different

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states, like for instance, in Karnataka.

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I know somebody who runs an elephant rehab

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centre.

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She does a phenomenal job and she collaborates

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with the government.

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That's the kind of thing we can do

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in Kerala in the long run.

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But this is not going to happen overnight.

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You're saying is that we have to eliminate

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the market for the captive elephants used in

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temple ceremonies.

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And it's kind of like think of stuff

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that used to be normalised that isn't anymore.

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You know, elephants in circuses.

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So you reduce the demand for elephants in

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circuses.

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You know, when I first started this whole

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nonprofit, after 30 years in the news business,

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I went with a little GoPro camera in

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the middle of the winter in Brooklyn, New

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York, to cover a protest against elephants in

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the circus.

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And I thought, is this even worth it?

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And I saw 200 people lined up, shaking

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with the cold, nine degrees, demanding an end

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to elephants in circuses.

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And all the customers were walking right by

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with their kids, ignoring us or basically telling

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us to get lost.

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And I thought, wow, this is an uphill

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battle.

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But guess what?

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Not because of me, because of incredible organisations

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like PETA, and because of those protesters, now

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Ringling Brothers is out of business, does not

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use any animals.

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We thought it could never happen.

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It happened.

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Okay.

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As I believe it was Nelson Mandela said,

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it's always seems impossible until it happens, until

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it's done.

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So by making it cool to have these

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robotic elephants and creating a demand for the

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robotic elephants, then the real elephant's demand vanishes

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and that business ends.

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And that's exactly what happened with elephants and

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tigers and lions and circuses that used to

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be everywhere.

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And they are, for the most part, with

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some exceptions, gone, especially Ringling.

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So it's worth it.

532
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These things take over, right?

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Can you elaborate?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And so, as we are already seeing, we

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launched our first robotic elephant last year in

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the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, after

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this temple watched what happened there.

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And yes, exactly.

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This is the robotic elephant called Sankar Hariharan.

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And he was donated by one of our

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precious donors.

543
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,500
And he donated the full amount for us

544
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:35,500
to buy him.

545
00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,520
And we got the decorations and everything.

546
00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:41,680
And so when we did this, actually, this

547
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,220
temple is, it actually borders Tamil Nadu and

548
00:24:45,220 --> 00:24:45,760
Kerala.

549
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,720
So this temple watched what happened there and

550
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,500
said, can we also get this?

551
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,940
And so, of course, they reached out to

552
00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:58,960
us and, you know, we designed this by

553
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,240
collaborating with an amazing designer who's based in

554
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,860
Kerala.

555
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,140
And when we donated now this temple to

556
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:10,980
this particular temple called Sri Bhagavati Temple, there

557
00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:15,220
are other temples who are actually asking, can

558
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:16,360
we, can we, can we?

559
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,420
So we are creating ripples.

560
00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:21,240
And this is how we kind of do

561
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:21,900
it gradually.

562
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,780
But we do it in a manner that

563
00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:26,600
we are not being called the enemies of

564
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,100
the culture.

565
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,440
How are we diminishing the culture in any

566
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,640
way by using the robotic elephants?

567
00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:35,720
We are allowing you to sit on top

568
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,360
of the elephants.

569
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:39,300
The elephant actually can even squirt water on

570
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:41,860
the devotees, you know, and you can actually

571
00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:43,000
touch the elephants.

572
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,040
And this elephant actually conducts rituals.

573
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,300
It moves its tails, its tail, and it

574
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,900
can even sort of, we crawl him on

575
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,400
a, on a trolley, right?

576
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,380
He moves his ears.

577
00:25:57,580 --> 00:26:00,760
And even his eyes, his eyes are absolutely

578
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,900
stunningly gorgeous when he looks up and down,

579
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:04,340
right?

580
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:06,720
And so you can never tell the difference,

581
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,120
even the colouration.

582
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:11,960
This is how the festival elephants look because,

583
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:15,420
you know, they consider it a pride and

584
00:26:15,420 --> 00:26:16,120
privilege.

585
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:20,240
And so for me, the best way to

586
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,380
present the opportunity or to do this is

587
00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:26,260
to present an opportunity to them and let

588
00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:29,160
them take the reign rather than us impose

589
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,480
things on them.

590
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,100
When they see this trend, it's kind of

591
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,080
trendy right now.

592
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:36,120
When they see this trend to take over,

593
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,440
then there's going to be an issue with

594
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,100
the demand for live elephants because people are

595
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:44,960
now seeing, hey, there's peace here.

596
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,120
We can actually conduct this, you know, these

597
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,100
rituals peacefully.

598
00:26:49,380 --> 00:26:51,520
We can, you know, we can fire, we

599
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,960
can use fireworks without worrying that elephants will

600
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,540
run amok.

601
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,140
People will not get killed.

602
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:58,600
Cultures can thrive.

603
00:26:59,340 --> 00:27:02,300
And so that's, that's where our focus is.

604
00:27:02,660 --> 00:27:05,600
And when the demand for the robotic elephant

605
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,420
increases, the demand for the live elephants will

606
00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:11,020
decrease, will cut into the pocketbook of the

607
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:13,820
elephant owners who will not be able to

608
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:16,600
lease out their elephants to the temples, which

609
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,020
means they won't be able to make money

610
00:27:18,020 --> 00:27:20,840
and, you know, elephants will be saved and

611
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,300
it's going to be a win-win situation

612
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:22,800
for all.

613
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:26,040
A lot of questions coming up as people

614
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,780
are watching on the Unshaded TV streaming network,

615
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,320
as well as on social media.

616
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,900
Tom wants to know, how is it that

617
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:35,020
these animals move?

618
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,140
What is the mechanism?

619
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,180
What are the gears?

620
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:38,680
Is it electric?

621
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,820
Tell us about the technology.

622
00:27:41,540 --> 00:27:44,200
Yeah, it's not, it's not electric at all.

623
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,300
And I'm glad you raised that question, but

624
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:47,600
let me tell you, this is an artificial

625
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,100
intelligence based technology, artificial intelligence based robotic

626
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:54,180
technology.

627
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:54,540
Okay.

628
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,600
And I will tell you about the electrical

629
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:03,800
information, misinformation or disinformation that is going across

630
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,760
just as it's happening in our political arena.

631
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,660
Some of these elephant owners are pushing out

632
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:15,560
fake news saying that these elephants are connected

633
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,660
to electrical supply or whatever.

634
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:20,420
And as a result, four people were electrocuted,

635
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,840
complete nonsense, complete nonsense.

636
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800
And so with regards to the specifics of

637
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,940
how they make this, I can tell you

638
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:32,260
that it's made with fibreglass and it's the

639
00:28:32,260 --> 00:28:33,840
duration or fibre optics.

640
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,160
The duration is quite a bit.

641
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,540
And I don't think they have an engine

642
00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:40,520
inside them.

643
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:44,140
How they move.

644
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,420
Yeah.

645
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,720
Like I said, I don't have the details

646
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,640
on the technology because the designer is obviously

647
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,060
going to keep it close to his chest.

648
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,860
I can only tell you that it's the,

649
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:58,540
it's an artificial intelligence based technology that they,

650
00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:01,420
it's probably battery operated to my best of

651
00:29:01,420 --> 00:29:01,740
guessing.

652
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:03,860
And even the batteries are like solar powered.

653
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,420
And so yeah, that's, that's about what I

654
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:09,800
know about the technology.

655
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
I'm not going to pretend like I know

656
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,020
how they are moving, but that's a really

657
00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:15,720
good question.

658
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,740
And I did ask the designer and you

659
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:20,320
know, there are secrets that they will not

660
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:20,940
divulge.

661
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,240
That's just the way it goes.

662
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:25,020
I would have to think that this would

663
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:26,980
be cheaper for the temple too.

664
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,580
Animals are very expensive to keep up.

665
00:29:30,180 --> 00:29:32,100
They, if you want to keep them alive,

666
00:29:32,100 --> 00:29:35,100
even if they're being abused, they require veterinary

667
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:38,040
care and they require food, water, housing.

668
00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:41,200
There's all their excrement that has to be

669
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,780
cleaned up.

670
00:29:42,140 --> 00:29:43,660
I mean, it's expensive.

671
00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:46,500
One of the reasons why horses unfortunately end

672
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,100
up going to slaughter is that people get

673
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:50,260
a horse on a whim or you know,

674
00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:52,380
a romantic notion and then they see how

675
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:53,280
expensive it is.

676
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:56,320
So can you appeal to these temples on

677
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,520
a price basis?

678
00:29:58,420 --> 00:29:59,480
Yeah, exactly.

679
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,020
And that's one of the things that we

680
00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:02,240
are already doing.

681
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,700
And we did this with the temple in

682
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,740
Tamil Nadu, right?

683
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,620
Exactly what we said is not only leasing

684
00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:12,120
the elephant from the elephant owner.

685
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:13,260
So that's one cause.

686
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,240
Number two is transporting them.

687
00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:18,220
That's highly expensive, not just in terms of

688
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:20,960
money, but also in terms of the stress

689
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,400
and the physical and mental exhaustion that these

690
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,640
elephants have to endure.

691
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,680
And then of course, in terms of feeding,

692
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,720
I mean, many of these live elephants are

693
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
deprived of food, water, and shelter, and they're

694
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,020
transported for hours on end beneath the scorching

695
00:30:37,020 --> 00:30:37,900
sunshine.

696
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:43,120
And sometimes they're paraded on hot, tar roads,

697
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:46,420
which kind of is really, really heartbreaking and

698
00:30:46,420 --> 00:30:47,240
gut-wrenching.

699
00:30:47,540 --> 00:30:49,800
And sometimes the elephants can't even walk.

700
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,500
The minute they see water, they take the

701
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,220
water and they toss it on their foot

702
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:56,120
instead of drinking the water.

703
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,920
Like that's how sad it is for these

704
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,680
poor elephants.

705
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,800
And so, yes, there's not just the financial

706
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,620
cost, but also all kinds of other costs.

707
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,020
Here, one of the elephants is being treated.

708
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,540
He's getting foot treatment from one of our

709
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:15,160
elephant care people called Steve Coyle.

710
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,740
He had actually worked with us in one

711
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:22,240
of the elephant rehab centres in Kerala.

712
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:25,000
And we can provide this kind of rehab

713
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,180
for the elephants, even the owners have.

714
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,620
And kind of coax and convince them that

715
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:35,360
it's in their best interest to kind of

716
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:36,500
retire these elephants.

717
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,180
And the temples to suggest, look at all

718
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:41,300
the costs, not just the financial, but all

719
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:41,760
of the costs.

720
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,360
And you just invest one time.

721
00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:45,800
You don't even have to pay for this.

722
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,500
We are giving this to you.

723
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,640
And you can use the same elephant over

724
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,620
and over and over again, every single year.

725
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,780
In fact, you can add to your elephant

726
00:31:53,780 --> 00:31:54,320
troop.

727
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Maybe we can give you one elephant each

728
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,840
year, you know, if you wish, because they

729
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,860
need like two or three elephants in some

730
00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:02,340
temples.

731
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:04,140
We are willing to do that for you,

732
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:04,980
you know?

733
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,880
So yes, indeed.

734
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,260
Yeah.

735
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,780
Money plays a big role.

736
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,680
I'm just so fascinated by this because it's

737
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,880
such a win-win.

738
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
And what is the reaction amongst the people?

739
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:20,920
It seems like they're very fascinated.

740
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,340
I don't know how they would react with

741
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:27,660
normal elephants, with real elephants, but it seems

742
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:31,180
that everybody is just playing their part and

743
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:33,300
not acting like, well, there's something wrong here

744
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:34,640
because these elephants aren't real.

745
00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:37,660
You're seeing all these people engaged in very

746
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:42,660
ornate, elaborate cultural traditions, and they're doing it

747
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:48,320
with the elephants without any, to my view,

748
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:49,600
negative reaction.

749
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,540
Yeah, absolutely.

750
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,640
And so funny I should bring that up

751
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,880
because when they inaugurated this, because I could

752
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,360
not be there this time, I produced a

753
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,560
recorded video and I played it.

754
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:05,940
They displayed it on a big, big screen.

755
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:11,580
And oh my goodness, 300 to 400 women

756
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:14,760
and 300 to 400 men seated on either

757
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,380
sides.

758
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:18,580
It was just like pin drop silence.

759
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:21,600
Everybody was listening so keenly.

760
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,120
And towards the end, there was this massive

761
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,560
applause because everything I said in that related

762
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,740
to how the Hindu traditions actually promote ahimsa,

763
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,000
which is nonviolence, and yet they need to

764
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,240
open their eyes to see the real suffering

765
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:39,760
of the elephants.

766
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:42,120
So I used a small trailer of Gods

767
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,740
and Shackles in that presentation so they could

768
00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:47,860
see the difference, you know, between the actual

769
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:50,580
live elephants and the suffering that they have

770
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:52,300
to endure and the people have to endure.

771
00:33:53,460 --> 00:33:55,040
And here you have the robotic elephant.

772
00:33:55,460 --> 00:33:57,920
So it takes a lot of awareness and

773
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,440
ongoing education.

774
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:02,660
And I think the temple authorities have done

775
00:34:02,660 --> 00:34:06,440
a phenomenal job convincing the devotees and the

776
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,139
organiser, Dr. Prakash, who actually approached us.

777
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,940
He, again, reminded the devotees of that, you

778
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:19,480
know, fateful day when that elephant, the live

779
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,580
elephant, was so distressed and so sick and

780
00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:25,159
tired of being mistreated that he ran amok

781
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,940
and he gored the handler.

782
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,760
And that's when he decided we will never,

783
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:33,120
ever do this to an elephant or cause

784
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,420
any harm to the people.

785
00:34:34,699 --> 00:34:37,239
And so it's that kind of determination from,

786
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,260
you know, a leadership level that has also

787
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:40,639
helped.

788
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:42,340
And we continue to collaborate.

789
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,340
I continue to, you know, give them my

790
00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:47,040
short films so that they can screen them

791
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,880
in the temples whenever they want so they

792
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,199
can educate the employees regarding the beautifully sensitive

793
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,340
and highly intelligent creatures these animals are and

794
00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:59,400
that they deserve to be in the wild

795
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,100
and not in captivity.

796
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,100
So I think the message is getting out

797
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:03,400
there.

798
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,560
It's a combination of a you can't just

799
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,460
say, OK, I don't want you to use

800
00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:11,200
these elephants in the cultural celebrations.

801
00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:13,700
We offered an alternative.

802
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:15,020
So that was number one.

803
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,260
Number two is, OK, well, now we have

804
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:17,860
an alternative.

805
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:20,880
But, hmm, you know, they're kind of sitting

806
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,800
and thinking exactly what you suggested.

807
00:35:22,900 --> 00:35:24,000
This is not a live elephant.

808
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,140
We cannot touch and feel.

809
00:35:25,580 --> 00:35:27,580
But yes, they can touch and feel this

810
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:27,820
elephant.

811
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:30,700
You can see the fascination of all of

812
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:31,440
these people.

813
00:35:31,540 --> 00:35:35,200
They're taking selfies and their little kids that

814
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,200
used to be terrified of going close to

815
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,900
the elephants are now falling in love with

816
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:39,500
these elephants.

817
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,180
This way, you could even nurture and cultivate

818
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:46,000
empathy, love, compassion for these beautiful animals and

819
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,020
indeed all animals.

820
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,020
So it's again, like you said, it's a

821
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:49,820
win win situation.

822
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,620
Tell us about this image taken minutes ago

823
00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:55,660
in India that was just texted to you.

824
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:57,540
Yeah, thank you.

825
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,480
Yeah, this one was this is our amazing

826
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,980
elephant called Shankar Hariharan.

827
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,160
And there is a special event going on

828
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
in southern India, actually across India.

829
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,880
It's called Shivaratri.

830
00:36:11,340 --> 00:36:13,700
And if many of you may have heard

831
00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:15,880
or not have heard about Lord Shiva, it

832
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,760
is his birthday.

833
00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:20,880
He is considered to be very, very strong,

834
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,580
but in a very peaceful manner.

835
00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:27,400
Like he's not the aggressive kind of strong

836
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,560
people that think that being aggressive and being

837
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,420
a bully is being strong.

838
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,340
No, but this Lord Shiva, through peace, like

839
00:36:36,340 --> 00:36:38,500
even when people attacked him, even when snakes

840
00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,520
came near him, even when the folklore goes

841
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,940
that even when tigers came next to him,

842
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,500
they were so touched by his peace and

843
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,740
calm that they settled next to him.

844
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,380
So it's a huge celebration.

845
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:54,920
And the image that you shared earlier was

846
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,340
that they were parading Shankar Hariharan on the

847
00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:04,060
streets of Gudalur, right next to this Sivan

848
00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:06,300
Kovil, which is like Shiva temple.

849
00:37:06,900 --> 00:37:10,540
And the organiser, he actually called me live.

850
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,880
And he's like, just watch this elephant.

851
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,780
Look, our elephant has been paraded.

852
00:37:15,020 --> 00:37:17,020
And I just went crazy clicking on my

853
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,520
iPhone, all of the screenshots.

854
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:21,080
And I'm so happy that you could use

855
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,340
them.

856
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,580
Yeah, it was just really touching to see,

857
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:27,220
you know, that the elephant that we donated

858
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:30,740
last year is still being put to proper

859
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:31,160
use.

860
00:37:31,260 --> 00:37:33,160
This is like really, really heartwarming.

861
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,380
And it's really fascinating because we were getting

862
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:40,140
ready to do this show and Sangeeta said,

863
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,720
I'm going to text you some images from

864
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,160
India.

865
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,700
I got just minutes ago, like 30 seconds

866
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:48,040
ago, try to put them up.

867
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,180
And I said, okay.

868
00:37:49,180 --> 00:37:51,300
And I managed to get these two shots.

869
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:52,640
She sent me about 18 shots.

870
00:37:52,740 --> 00:37:54,340
I managed to get these two up right

871
00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:57,460
before we started, but look at this robotic

872
00:37:57,460 --> 00:38:01,740
elephant in the streets of India being surrounded

873
00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:02,580
by people.

874
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:05,560
You can't tell that it's a robot elephant

875
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200
from this distance.

876
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:09,160
And it's even hard to tell very close

877
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:09,460
up.

878
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,480
So, you know, I think this is so

879
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,140
fascinating.

880
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,400
And the fact that they only cost $10

881
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,660
,000, it's shocking to me.

882
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,100
I would have thought you'd say $100,000.

883
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:25,760
$10,000 is very, very cost-effective for

884
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,720
something like this with moving ears, with moving

885
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,780
eyes, with the actual elephant moving, the moving

886
00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:35,340
trunks.

887
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,140
My mind is blown.

888
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,900
And again, if you want to donate to

889
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:45,160
make one of these happen, we're trying to

890
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,840
get one elephant out of the show, one

891
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,520
robot elephant, you can donate to vfaes.org

892
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,580
forward slash donate.

893
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:57,520
That's Voices for Asian Elephant Society.org.

894
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,080
And they have very low overhead, huge, overwhelming

895
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,500
amount of everything they raise goes right into

896
00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:08,940
these robotic elephants and similar projects.

897
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:12,440
And I just think it's absolutely fascinating.

898
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:13,440
Congratulations.

899
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:17,160
People are saying, cannot tell, this is genius.

900
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:20,120
Wow, this is amazing.

901
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,900
It's, you know, it's so much better than

902
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:27,060
the alternative, which is so cruel and backward.

903
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:31,800
I mean, let's face it, India is known

904
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,800
for being on the forefront of technology.

905
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,080
And so I would think it would be

906
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,080
a point of pride to say, look at

907
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,120
the high-tech methods that we're using.

908
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,520
That's got to be another selling point, Sangeeta.

909
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:46,700
Indeed.

910
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,180
And so the thing is, the irony of

911
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:51,860
it all is that they love technology, but

912
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:55,240
when it comes to really implementing technology in

913
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,600
terms of cultural celebrations, some of these elephant

914
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,540
owners are still resisting.

915
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,080
But I mean, obviously we are seeing the

916
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,960
temples embracing this opportunity and this option and

917
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:08,780
the technology.

918
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,800
And so I think it'll get to a

919
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,940
point where the elephant owners will begin to

920
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:18,260
realise that there's no point in actually owning

921
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:18,840
the elephants.

922
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,580
Let's leave them in the wild.

923
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,020
This is where they belong.

924
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:24,120
And, you know, there are times that I,

925
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:27,320
when I have the social media conversations with

926
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,480
people who comment and stuff like that, I

927
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,740
say, you know what?

928
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,300
We all love technology and India, like you

929
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:36,840
said, is like in the forefront, on the

930
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,060
forefront of technology.

931
00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:41,220
And the worst thing is that you don't

932
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:43,860
use the knowledge that you have to serve

933
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:46,740
the collective good and to ensure that nobody

934
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:47,480
is harmed.

935
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:49,220
This includes the animals as well.

936
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:51,580
You know, they have the best cell phones,

937
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,540
the best selfies that they take, all kinds

938
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:55,920
of incredible things.

939
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Right.

940
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,860
And they've been to the moon recently, just

941
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:59,560
last year.

942
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,920
So there are scientists and technology is so

943
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,240
highly evolving drastically in India.

944
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,880
And it's about time, you know, that they

945
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,280
embraced the culture and there's this merging of

946
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,740
culture and technology that can bring forth harmony,

947
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,560
compassion, love, and peace of mind for people

948
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,760
and for the elephants.

949
00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:27,740
And get rid of the horror of elephants

950
00:41:27,740 --> 00:41:28,580
in captivity.

951
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,940
Never take an elephant ride.

952
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,020
Never, ever, ever.

953
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:36,720
And let's talk about one other thing that

954
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,920
you're doing that is really fascinating.

955
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,580
Again, another high-tech solution to a big

956
00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:44,100
problem in India.

957
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,760
And that is many, many elephants are killed

958
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,420
by trains because they're traversing and the trains

959
00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:52,220
are coming at them.

960
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:57,740
You've created this high-tech EleSense elephant alerting

961
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:58,220
system.

962
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,620
Tell us about that.

963
00:42:00,420 --> 00:42:01,520
Yeah, it's beautiful.

964
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,540
And it's an AI-based technology.

965
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,080
And I can tell you that between January

966
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,720
2023 and December of 2024, we have averted

967
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:16,760
1139 train collisions with elephants.

968
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,460
And in West Bengal, there's been absolutely no

969
00:42:20,460 --> 00:42:24,560
train collision deaths of elephants since we have

970
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,100
installed, especially in this particular region.

971
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:28,780
So we are now in the process of

972
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:33,780
expanding it in the Chapramati Wildlife Sanctuary because

973
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:36,920
the sad reality is India is the most

974
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,140
densely populated country on the planet with 19

975
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:44,260
% of the world's human population in India.

976
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:48,000
And so space is a very sacred commodity

977
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,480
and the competition for space is rampant between

978
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,400
people and animals, two dominant species.

979
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:58,980
And so humans are encroaching into the wild

980
00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:04,120
habitat and they're building train tracks, roadways and

981
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,540
railways and all kinds of structures inside the

982
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:10,140
wildlife sanctuary, which is the home of these

983
00:43:10,140 --> 00:43:10,580
elephants.

984
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Electrical wires cutting through the forest and they

985
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,380
sometimes drop down because of thunderstorm, rainfall and

986
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:18,640
everything.

987
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,580
And so many elephants are getting killed.

988
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,260
So we decided, no, we've got to implement

989
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,320
some high tech technology here.

990
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:29,780
So this is again, artificial intelligence-based technology

991
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:32,020
grounded in four components.

992
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:35,060
Number one is that this alert system can

993
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:38,640
detect the temperature, the height, the pattern and

994
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,220
the movement.

995
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:42,580
These are the four components that this EleSense

996
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:43,420
can detect.

997
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,620
As soon as it detects it, that's what

998
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:46,120
it does.

999
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:48,720
It sends out that message saying, oh, elephant

1000
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,160
movement has been tracked.

1001
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:55,460
And that message is dispersed to everybody, including

1002
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:58,680
our team, the railway department, the forest department

1003
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,020
and the tea plantation owners and all of

1004
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:03,940
the relevant stakeholders.

1005
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,980
So when the railway department gets this information,

1006
00:44:08,220 --> 00:44:10,480
what they then do is they send a

1007
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,480
walkie talkie message to the train pilots and

1008
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,900
the train pilot then slows down and allows

1009
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:19,740
these elephants to cross over.

1010
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,880
We have so many camera trap images that

1011
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,100
I'll share with you soon that we have

1012
00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:29,960
captured recently of elephants crossing over the train

1013
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,460
tracks and the train halted in a distance.

1014
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,920
And it's just really heartwarming to see that

1015
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,620
we are harnessing technology to see these tangible

1016
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:42,740
outcomes and thus save elephants.

1017
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,600
Hundreds of elephants get killed on the train

1018
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,660
tracks every single year.

1019
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,020
These are like completely senseless tragedies that can

1020
00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:52,260
be totally avoided.

1021
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:56,380
And so, yeah, it's really heartwarming to see

1022
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:57,140
the results.

1023
00:44:57,700 --> 00:45:02,800
1,139 train collisions with elephants have been

1024
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:09,420
averted since January 2024 and sorry, January 2023

1025
00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:11,040
and December 2024.

1026
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Absolutely amazing what you're doing for elephants in

1027
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,080
India.

1028
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,140
I would like to see it expanded globally

1029
00:45:19,140 --> 00:45:24,080
to other animals in other parts of the

1030
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,420
world.

1031
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:28,360
I know you're also doing something to stop

1032
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,840
elephants from falling into water wells, which happens

1033
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,700
and you're building like basically a block around

1034
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:39,760
the well so that the elephants can't fall

1035
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,000
in.

1036
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,740
And the same thing is happening to donkeys

1037
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:43,960
in another part of the world.

1038
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,560
I saw it online and I was going

1039
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,540
to contact you.

1040
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,460
I mean, all your incredible practical ideas need

1041
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:54,620
to spread around the world to other species.

1042
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:59,120
But getting back to elephants, you know, sometimes

1043
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,220
people say, well, you're attacking a culture.

1044
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,060
No, there's plenty of cruelty directed at elephants

1045
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:06,860
and other animals right here in the United

1046
00:46:06,860 --> 00:46:07,240
States.

1047
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:10,180
Let's take a look at the world famous

1048
00:46:10,180 --> 00:46:13,420
singer actress Cher and what she had to

1049
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:15,040
say about one particular elephant.

1050
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:23,340
Billy the elephant has been at the LA

1051
00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:25,100
Zoo for 33 years.

1052
00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:29,630
He lives in constant pain and anguish.

1053
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:35,600
It was seeing Billy suffer that made me

1054
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:36,460
want to help him.

1055
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,580
The LA Zoo claims that they're taking good

1056
00:46:41,580 --> 00:46:44,740
care of Billy and the other elephants, but

1057
00:46:44,740 --> 00:46:47,020
the truth reveals a very dark and different

1058
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:47,560
reality.

1059
00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:51,320
We invite the LA Zoo on anytime to

1060
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,380
comment on what Cher and other critics have

1061
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:53,780
said.

1062
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:57,640
And I actually contacted an attorney who's been

1063
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,800
involved in litigation attempts, unsuccessful thus far, to

1064
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,300
get Billy out and said, hey, have you

1065
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:06,060
heard about these robotic elephants?

1066
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:08,680
And he has said that he has offered

1067
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,680
the robotic elephant concept to zoos here, there

1068
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,720
and everywhere and has not heard a positive

1069
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,440
response.

1070
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:19,800
So, you know, that's sad because that would

1071
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,220
be a solution to elephants trapped in zoos

1072
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:23,400
as well, Sangeeta.

1073
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,580
Absolutely.

1074
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,140
And that, I mean, it's, they can even

1075
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:30,160
use the robotic elephant for elephant back rides.

1076
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,240
I mean, which child would not want to

1077
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,720
climb up this robotic elephant and touch the

1078
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,840
year and see the eye movement?

1079
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,080
It can be used for elephant back rides

1080
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,360
in Thailand, which is where it is rampant.

1081
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:45,120
And even in India, you know, and they

1082
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,480
can actually get these people to sit on

1083
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,340
their, on the elephant back if that's all

1084
00:47:50,340 --> 00:47:52,420
they want, because this is a life size

1085
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:53,000
elephant.

1086
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:55,660
The elephant that we gave was like 10

1087
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:56,580
feet tall.

1088
00:47:56,740 --> 00:47:59,460
He's 10 feet tall, this guy, you know,

1089
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,120
and so it's, it can be used as

1090
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,160
an alternative in every situation, including the zoos,

1091
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,860
including circuses, even.

1092
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,980
Oh, can I tell you, they in Spain,

1093
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,500
they have actually replaced live elephants with the

1094
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:19,260
robotic elephants designed by the same designer who

1095
00:48:19,260 --> 00:48:20,380
made our elephant.

1096
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,760
And he, he actually created three solid elephants

1097
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,020
for the Spanish circus in Spain and his

1098
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:33,160
elephants are displayed at the airports in Bangalore

1099
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,640
airport in Dubai, in all of these Middle

1100
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,180
Eastern places where there are so many people

1101
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:40,960
from Kerala that live there.

1102
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,520
It's just becoming really a global phenomenon and

1103
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,420
it's, it's, yeah, it's really, really, it's really

1104
00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:50,100
good to see positive changes.

1105
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,020
It's just not fast enough for all of

1106
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:52,300
us.

1107
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:54,040
Of course not.

1108
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:56,760
We'd like to see it all end, but

1109
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,880
you know, sometimes we have to have patience.

1110
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,860
I say that to myself when I start

1111
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:05,500
new projects and I want payoff immediately.

1112
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:08,620
I want to see animals saved like yesterday

1113
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:09,880
when I start a project.

1114
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,340
And then I have to remember, Jane, you

1115
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:13,320
have to learn patience.

1116
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,700
You can't just expect it to be an

1117
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:18,000
event.

1118
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,360
It's a process and it's starting.

1119
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,980
The process is the most important part.

1120
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,040
You have, how many of these elephants do

1121
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,200
you now have?

1122
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:29,720
So this is only our second one.

1123
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,560
And this year we are planning to give

1124
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,460
away three more in October.

1125
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:36,680
So that we are just trying to enhance

1126
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:37,900
because we need money, right?

1127
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,600
For everything.

1128
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,460
We are a small organisation and without the

1129
00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:43,820
money, we cannot provide this.

1130
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,260
And so all of those people who came

1131
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:48,680
up with those brilliant ideas to donate money,

1132
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:51,360
I am more than happy to meet with

1133
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,100
them on a Zoom call.

1134
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,880
We can all get together on a Zoom

1135
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,240
call.

1136
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:57,740
And if you have any questions, I would

1137
00:49:57,740 --> 00:50:00,620
be more than happy to answer, you know,

1138
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:02,960
and I can even share with you some

1139
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,980
of the intricacies in terms of how the

1140
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:08,720
temples operate, what is going on, why is

1141
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:09,660
change so difficult?

1142
00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:12,340
So this way your questions will be answered

1143
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:13,080
one-on-one.

1144
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:15,340
I'm more than happy to do that.

1145
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,100
Just send us an email to support at

1146
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:21,800
vfaes.org.

1147
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:25,460
And you can even contact Jane directly, whatever

1148
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:26,080
you want.

1149
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,000
I mean, Jane is the one who launched

1150
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,280
all of this for us.

1151
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,200
So if she wants to take the lead,

1152
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:32,720
by all means, go for it.

1153
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,740
I just, I interview a lot of groups

1154
00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:38,160
and I, what I love about your organisation

1155
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:43,000
is that it's practical solutions for specific problems.

1156
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,000
And so you're drilling down on very specific

1157
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:47,400
things.

1158
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,200
We only have a couple of minutes.

1159
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:53,100
Tell us very briefly about your wildlife corridors.

1160
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Wow.

1161
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:56,600
I'm so excited to share with you about

1162
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,640
the wildlife corridors.

1163
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,600
So let me explain to you quickly what

1164
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,480
corridors are.

1165
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:03,780
Forests are being broken up into tiny patches,

1166
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:05,840
because as I said, railways are cutting through

1167
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,900
the forest, roadways are cutting through the forest.

1168
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:10,480
So these forests are being broken up into

1169
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,580
forest patches and even homes and settlements and

1170
00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:13,880
everything.

1171
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:16,220
So what we are doing is we are

1172
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:19,520
purchasing plots of land, which we just donated

1173
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,660
another, like a four acre plot of land

1174
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:26,020
to the Kerala forest department just in 2024,

1175
00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:30,120
March, which has now been officially transferred to

1176
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:30,980
the forest department.

1177
00:51:31,580 --> 00:51:34,340
And this corridor, even though it seems like

1178
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:37,840
only four acres, it's a significant corridor for

1179
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,880
elephant movement.

1180
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,340
So they can come from this patch to

1181
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:43,600
this patch, but they can move peacefully because

1182
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,440
there are no obstacles on their way.

1183
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,080
And so there are 340 plus elephants living

1184
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,040
in that area where we bought the four

1185
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:53,040
acre plot of land.

1186
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,500
And we're going to continue to expand that

1187
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:56,980
project in Odisha.

1188
00:51:57,420 --> 00:51:59,960
And I'll have something to share with Jane

1189
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,500
sometime in the future.

1190
00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:03,860
I cannot share much more than that right

1191
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:05,080
now, but it's so exciting.

1192
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,460
And these patches of land, we are not

1193
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:10,780
only purchasing, but we're also rewilding.

1194
00:52:11,140 --> 00:52:14,080
We are planting saplings and creating water holes

1195
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,500
in Odisha on the forest lands, elephant-friendly

1196
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:22,240
saplings like jackfruit, mangoes, and whatever things that

1197
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,100
elephants love.

1198
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:24,580
Everything elephant, right?

1199
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,840
We plant those things and we have the

1200
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,820
tribal people.

1201
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:31,040
We employ 200 tribal people in order to

1202
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,560
take care of these plantations, water them, nurture

1203
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,180
them, et cetera.

1204
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,260
And so when these plantations come to maturity,

1205
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,560
then elephants will have regular fruits and regular,

1206
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:44,900
you know, these are fruit yielding trees.

1207
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:46,720
And so we are doing that.

1208
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,800
We're employing people.

1209
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:48,880
People are happy.

1210
00:52:49,300 --> 00:52:51,040
And now they're more into conservation.

1211
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,980
They're like, Ooh, if we protect elephants, guess

1212
00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:54,180
what?

1213
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,320
We're also going to get paid.

1214
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:57,580
So that's the kind of approach we are

1215
00:52:57,580 --> 00:52:59,460
taking rather than vilify them.

1216
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,060
We are trying to partner with them, bring

1217
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:02,640
them together.

1218
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,720
And collectively we are, we are making a

1219
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:06,080
difference.

1220
00:53:06,260 --> 00:53:08,540
And I'm really excited about returning to India

1221
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:11,940
on March the 21st.

1222
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,520
And I will share something with you via

1223
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,980
WhatsApp and you can share it with your

1224
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:17,360
public.

1225
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:18,660
Wow.

1226
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,000
You are doing so much.

1227
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,440
I am so impressed.

1228
00:53:21,620 --> 00:53:24,160
And it also, you know, it inspires me

1229
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,840
because you're hitting the finish line.

1230
00:53:25,940 --> 00:53:26,940
You're getting something done.

1231
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:28,420
Like it's not just a proposal.

1232
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:32,600
These robotic elephants are going into the temples.

1233
00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:37,880
You are putting these high-tech elephant warning

1234
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,960
signals on the train track, saving elephant lives.

1235
00:53:41,100 --> 00:53:44,300
You are creating these moats that prevent elephants

1236
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:47,060
from falling into the wells and you are

1237
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,440
creating these wildlife corridors.

1238
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,940
So it's a win, win, win, win.

1239
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,980
And I just want to tell everybody support

1240
00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:55,940
Voices for Asian Elephant Society.

1241
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:59,820
And it's come back because you always have

1242
00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:01,680
great, great information.

1243
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,640
There it is, vfaes.org forward slash donate.

1244
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:07,920
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