UnchainedTV: South Korea Bans Dog Meat!

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are so excited.

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Breaking news Unchained TV is speaking live with

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the animal rights leaders who helped achieve an

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historic breakthrough for animals and animal rights.

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South Korea has now voted to ban the

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dog meat trade.

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There were tears of joy outside the South

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Korean parliament after this groundbreaking vote was taken.

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Last chance for animals and its sister organisation,

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Animal Liberation Wave, led the charge to end

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this brutal dog meat industry.

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And last chance for animals, President Chris DeRose

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and Animal Liberation Wave President Jian Li, who

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is joining us live from South Korea, are

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here to talk about what this means for

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dogs everywhere and animals everywhere.

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We're also joined by Sheena Gao, who rescued

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so-called meat dogs from China.

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So what does this mean for the dogs

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in China?

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Will this ban on dog meat spread to

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the rest of the world?

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We hope so.

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But let's find out.

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So excited to have my heroes.

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Let's start with Chris DeRose, founder and president

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of Last Chance for Animals.

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What an historic breakthrough.

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Put it in perspective.

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How big is this, Chris?

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This is international.

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This is huge.

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It's the biggest thing that I know of

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in my 45 years in the movement that

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took place that is this big in magnitude

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with the government of one very productive country

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working in cooperation with NGOs.

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This is the first time I've seen this

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ever happen.

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And it's really, really exciting.

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As you can see, the video there and

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the picture says it all.

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It just says how excited the activists were.

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Some were in shock.

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Some were so ecstatic that they just couldn't

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hold themselves back.

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And you can see, I mean, you can

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see here the prime minister with the blue

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scarf.

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And she's she was a minister of parliament.

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And she's the one who introduced the bill

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initially and has stuck with it all this

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time.

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And then this is Jian Li.

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Jian Li is head of the animal liberation

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wave, which is a sister organisation to LCA.

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And basically, she was the frontline soldier and

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doing all this, and also the frontline thinker

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and creator of different events, different campaigns that

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we could go after to bring attention to

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this issue.

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It was one we had to keep it

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in front of them nonstop to let them

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know that this is just not a bunch

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of people out here demonstrating.

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And then they're going to go away.

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We're okay for another year.

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You know, no, that's what's been happening.

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So what we did is we set up

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a plan to have many demonstrations, many, yeah,

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many demonstrations and just to keep it out

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there, keep it in front of them, having

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laser lights shining on the Blue House Dome,

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which was unheard of at any time.

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I mean, even for LCA, that was unheard

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of.

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So, you know, we, we act, we actually

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acted as a liaisons between the animal liberation

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wave, and what was going to happen out

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there.

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We gave advice, we helped in that sense.

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We helped in a lot of different areas,

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but the credit is all due to animal

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liberation wave and Jieun Lee.

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Well, you could just see how emotional everybody

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is.

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This literally is history in the making.

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And of course, it's great news for dogs,

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but I think it's also great news for

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animals everywhere.

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And I just want to applaud everybody who

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worked so hard to make this happen.

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What an historic day.

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And there you see Jieun Lee and Chris

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DeRose, who are joining us today speaking after

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this historic vote.

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And Jieun Lee, I want to talk to

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you about some of the incredible sort of

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techniques that you use to get across to

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the public that this is something that must,

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must end and must end now.

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We also have to talk about the fact

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that there is a three year adjustment period

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that is built into the law.

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So the dog meat farmers of whom there

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are what, more than a thousand still can

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ply their trade for three years is my

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understanding.

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Bring us up to date.

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Tell us exactly what this vote said and

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what it means.

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And again, you are joining us live from

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South Korea.

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What a privilege to have you.

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It's such an honour to be joining this

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show.

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And yeah, well, as Chris explained, we've done

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for the last six years, we've done multiple

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campaigns, actions and demonstrations, both hosted by LCA.

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Also we've been in the forefront to collaborate

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with the coalition itself, which means we have

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a bunch of NGOs who have been working

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in South Korea tirelessly to end dog meat

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trade.

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And well, basically the tactics that we used

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is get the MPs, the members of parliament,

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to be able to continue to speak about

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the necessity to end this brutal dog meat

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trade.

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And that was about really making creative scenes

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that South Korean people have not seen before,

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that this kind of thing can also happen

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in animal rights movement in South Korea, which

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is, as you see, this is like gigantic

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banner that we dropped on top of a

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building that is in a really strategic location

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in the heart of Seoul.

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So after we did this action, I've been

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hearing from my friends who are not really

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looking into this issue's news every time, but

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they had seen this banner going down while

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they were commuting to work on like bus

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or cars.

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So yeah, this is what we have been

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doing continuously.

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And yeah, thanks to this kind of effort

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and all the efforts compiled from the local

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organisations and international too, I'm glad that we

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had this ban passed not too much later

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than January 2024 this year, because it also

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could have been the case that we would

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have seen the passage in sort of a

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delayed in time, so just like 2024 May

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or something.

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But it was like really to our surprise

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that ruling party and the opposition party has

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actually really met their promise.

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They made it come true that the promise

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that they made that they will make sure

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to pass this law early.

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I want to jump in because we've got

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callers lined up, don't want to lose them.

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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought

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for our team of heroes?

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Yeah, listen, I am so excited by this

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news, best news all year so far.

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I actually adopted a South Korean rescue dog

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seven years ago.

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And it's been a real challenge, but I'm

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so grateful to have him in my life.

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And I'm just really thankful that this happened

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and to everyone that made it happen.

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And my question is this, I know that

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dog meat is actually an older cultural thing.

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I don't think many of the younger people

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that live in these countries where they still

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consume dog meat.

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So my question is, do you think as

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the older generation dies off, that this will

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be a natural progression to where what happened

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in South Korea will happen in China, Vietnam

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and these other countries?

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Yeah, and I'd like to toss that out

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to Sheena Gao.

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Sheena Gao is somebody who rescues dogs from

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China.

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I've actually attended a couple of your events.

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We're going to play a little bit of

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that in a second.

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But do you think, and there were articles

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that said, well, what is China going to

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do now?

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Because there's a Yulin dog meat festival that

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is horrific.

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And I've got footage of that.

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I only want to play like 30 seconds

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of it because it's very disturbing.

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I mean, it disturbed me to edit it.

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I'm getting tears in my eyes just editing

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it.

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I'm thinking about editing it this morning.

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Let's play that for 30 seconds.

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It's difficult, only 30 seconds, and then we'll

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talk about it on the other side.

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Oh, Sheena, what are your thoughts about it

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spreading to China?

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I'm really hoping this winning in South Korea

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will set a precedent for China to change

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its way and its way of looking at

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animals and looking at dogs as a consumption

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meat.

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And it's just not going to prolong.

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I feel like it's going to change.

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Most of the Chinese do not want dog

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meat to be on their plates.

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And you cannot really even buy dog meat,

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just go to a grocery store.

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I grew up in China.

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I didn't even know there was dog meat

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until I actually come to America just a

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At the start of 2015, it came to

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my radar that China is a huge consumption

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of dog meat.

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And I was telling people, no, no, it's

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not happening because I grew up in China,

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never seen that before.

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And little do I know, China, certain regions,

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there's five different regions that have huge consumption

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of dog meat, including Guangxi, Guangdong province, which

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is one of the biggest dog meat trays

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It's called Yulin Dog Meat Festival that happens

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every June during, I think it's the summer

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solstice.

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They celebrate that, consume dog meat and lychee

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wine.

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So I do believe it's going to stop.

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Young generation do not want to see that

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happening.

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Okay, I'm just going to jump out because

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we've got callers lining up.

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This has touched a nerve.

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I want to get to them all.

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Niloufar in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought

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for our panel of heroes.

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Wow, this is huge.

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It is such a pleasure to meet you

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all.

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We just saw that it literally took an

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act of God to pass this dog meat

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ban in South Korea.

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A two-part question, can it be reversed

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during the three years or if it does

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move forward, do you expect a weak or

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strong enforcement of the law?

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Okay, Chris DeRose.

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I'm going to pass that on to Jian,

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she's more up on that than I am.

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And plus I didn't hear the question.

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Okay, Jian.

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I think the possibility of getting this ban

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reversed is almost zero, like close to zero,

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because this is not just a announcement that

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a regime made or a policy that government

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seeks to implement.

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This is really a law that is now

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going to be promulgated, that was passed with

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unanimous voting, almost unanimous voting.

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So we don't have a case where we

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will have favourable

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amendments, I would say, to better it and

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maybe solve some loopholes that we missed last

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year or this year to make this law

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pass quickly.

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Yeah, that's what I think.

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And also about your enforcement, I would believe

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this is going to be over 50%

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enforced.

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If we are talking about from zero to

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100% of the satisfactory level of the

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enforcement, I would say this would stay between

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50% to 100%.

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Because this law was also backed by the

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ruling People Power Party and for the most

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thing, the First Lady, which means this government

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will need to act really strong to implement

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because they want to take the credit.

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They don't want to be remembered to South

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Korean people who, after the law's passage, did

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a bad job in enforcing this whole thing.

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And for the most thing, we do have

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not only Last Chance for Animals and ALW,

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Animal Liberation Wave on the ground, we do

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have many local groups who are scattered all

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over the country.

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So we've got activists, many activists who are

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really ready to monitor and we're just all

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over the country.

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And we are really ready to deliver our

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strong opinions to the Department of Ministry of

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Agriculture, who is currently formulating the task force

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already to really enforce this bill.

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It's great news that there's going to be

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enforcement because here in California, we passed Prop

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2, we passed Prop 12, no enforcement.

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No enforcement.

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So what does it mean?

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Okay, we're going to run through these callers

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because we've got so many of them.

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So quick answers, thank you.

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Rudy in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought?

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Okay, Rudy, turn down the feed that you're

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listening to.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I just did.

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I turned it down.

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Hello.

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Yeah.

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Hi.

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Greetings from Dallas, Texas.

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It's freezing over here.

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But anyway, I've actually been to Korea four

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times to campaign against dog meat.

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And I actually met Yujin Lee and Kristen

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Rose and Kim Basinger back in 2018.

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They don't remember, but I was there in

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front of the National Assembly.

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And I've also done work with KBS, Jenny

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Kim, and also with Hangang with Mr. Wonsoong

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Park and Ms. Miyambang.

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And I've been to dog meat farms.

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And I'm very happy that this bill finally

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passed.

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My question is, should they have a three

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-year transitional period?

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What I'm afraid of is there's going to

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be an increase in dog meat farms in

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order to shut it down.

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What's the probability of that happening?

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An excellent question.

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And, you know, again, thank you for your

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patience.

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We have somebody in South Korea, we got

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somebody in Dallas, Texas.

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It's the miracle of conversation, but it's not

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going to be like we're sitting next to

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each other talking on the couch.

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So basically, what he's saying is, with the

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three-year transition period, could they ramp up

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production to try to make some money at

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the last minute?

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And what is going to happen to the

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dogs that are currently behind bars now in

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these dog farms?

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Jian, do you want to handle that?

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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This is a question that is raised in

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South Korea, too.

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And by the way, I remember you, Rudy.

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And I would say, on the process of

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this bill, this law, when it was first

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introduced, and when it was being discussed in

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the National Assembly, and in the process, the

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Ministry of Agriculture has been also delivering their

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opinion, how they think about this law, the

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bill, to the National Assembly.

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And hearing that, the content was, the government

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was really cautious not to hint that they

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are going to compensate by the number of

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dogs dog farmers hold in their farms.

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And not only they are not hinting that

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this will happen, they are actually really active

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in speaking to us that they have no

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plan of really making this happen, like compensating

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by the number of farms, which means they

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are also aware of the problem.

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And I think government is also in the

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position that if they make this happen, it's

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going to be a tremendous amount of expenditure.

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It's going to mean a tremendous amount of

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expenditure that the Ministry of Agriculture will have

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to be admitted to spend by the Ministry

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of Finance in South Korea, which is really

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hard to happen, I would say.

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So at this point in time, I can't

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really say that this is going to happen.

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This is not going to happen, but that's

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what I got.

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That's the overall sense that I'm feeling.

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But then again, of course, the monitoring is

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really the key, which is why I've been

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emphasising before that local groups would have to

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be really investigating.

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Yeah, so I'm going to go to the

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next column.

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I hear what you're saying.

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It's all about enforcement.

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And you know, somebody just said at an

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LCA anti-fur demo that she considered herself

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the anti-fur police because California has passed

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a ban on the sale of new fur,

405
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and she went into some stores on her

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own and found out that they were still

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selling new fur, and she contacted LCA, and

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you guys are taking action on that.

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Way to go.

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But when she said we have to be

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our own fur police, I thought, bingo, that

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is really true.

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So when the government isn't doing its job

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of enforcement, you guys on the ground in

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South Korea have to go in there and

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enforce this law, and boy, that's a big

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job.

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You have done so much already.

419
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Paige in Los Angeles, we've got a couple

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of callers here, so let's race through them.

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Paige, what do you got to say?

422
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Hello.

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I just wanted to throw this question over

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to Chris DeRose and say, first of all,

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hi.

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Hi, everyone.

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Thank you so much.

428
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It's a huge success.

429
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And what had you start, Last Chance for

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Animals, and how long have you been fighting

431
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for this ban?

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Thank you very much.

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We've been fighting for the ban cohesively for

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about six years, but we had been in

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there doing preliminary research and stuff to see

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what needed to be done, and that went

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on for about eight years altogether.

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And then we were in China before that,

439
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so we got our licks in China as

440
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well.

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But cohesively, we've been working with ALW for

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six years, and it's been a real cooperation,

443
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and Jian has been great.

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She's been able to create things to keep

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it out there, like these banners, like the

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laser lights, like the demonstrations, the demonstrations with

447
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the dead puppies.

448
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And we used that, and I modelled that

449
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after some other group had done it, and

450
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I just said, you know what?

451
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This works.

452
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Let's use it.

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Let's make it happen.

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So we kept it out there.

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It's the thing that we did.

456
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We kept this out there so that the

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government of South Korea didn't think this was

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just a passing phase.

459
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This is something that was going to be

460
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here until they changed the law.

461
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And it's an embarrassment to the country.

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Many South Koreans despise this whole dog meat

463
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trade.

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They don't dislike it.

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They despise it because it makes them look

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bad.

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And it's not all Koreans that are bad

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on this.

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It's just the minority, but the minority speaks

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up.

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And this is what we did.

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We came in there.

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We spoke up.

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We had demonstrations.

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We had them internationally.

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We had demonstrations at the same time in

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Washington, D.C. and New York City, Los

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Angeles, at the Korean consulate here.

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We had demonstrations everywhere.

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So wherever the problem was, LCA was there.

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ALW was there.

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And as far as enforcement, you could bet

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your last dollar, I'm going to make sure

484
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that the enforcement is taking place.

485
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,180
We've had a meeting on this before.

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We left South Korea a few days ago.

487
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And it's an understanding now that the GN

488
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has and we have that the most important

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thing now is enforcement and cooperation, cooperation with

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the NGOs and cooperation with the new bill

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being passed.

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I'm going to jump in only because we've

493
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got so many callers.

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I also have a few questions.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Sam in Pasadena, your question or thought for

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our panel of heroes.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Thank you.

501
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Hi, Jane.

502
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,140
Thank you so much.

503
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Congratulations on such a huge win for dogs

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and all animals.

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Thank you all for your dedication and saving

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dogs.

507
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It just goes to show that perseverance and

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persistence can change hearts and minds, even for

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such a longstanding practise.

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My question is, what are some of the

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biggest challenges you guys face when pushing for

512
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this dog ban in South Korea?

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Thank you.

514
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,540
Great question.

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Jian, you want to handle that one?

516
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Again, she's speaking for South Korea.

517
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The challenges that we faced?

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Yes.

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In the past that we, the challenges that

520
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we faced is, okay, here's the biggest challenge.

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The MPs, we've got, we had MPs, members

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in the Parliament, National Assembly, who was willing,

523
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who are willing to propose a law about

524
00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:03,120
banning the dog meat trade.

525
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,880
But then again, it was so hard to

526
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:11,420
make the bill actually get processed, passed in

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relevant committee, in the first place, which is

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Agriculture Committee, and proceed to the Judiciary Committee

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and plenary session.

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This was because, looking back, it was hard

531
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to make the dog meat ban a formal

532
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programme, priority policy of any of the two

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biggest parties that we have.

534
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But the good thing is, last year, all

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of a sudden, the situation changed.

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So there was a, um, instigated by the

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First Lady's comment, I would say, there was

538
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a competition between the ruling People Power Party

539
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and the opposition Democratic Party to take this,

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take their lead on this issue.

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So that was the success factor that made

542
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this passage of dog meat ban that was

543
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so much wanted within a year, looking back.

544
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,040
Wow.

545
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Okay, I'm going to jump in and let's

546
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go to more callers.

547
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I mean, this has just touched a nerve.

548
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Sarah in Culver City, your question or thought

549
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for our panel of heroes.

550
00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:26,760
Yes, I have a question for you.

551
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,900
Now that they voted that they don't want

552
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to have the dog meat in South Korea,

553
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,760
two questions.

554
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,900
One, do they breed dogs for this specific

555
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:38,480
thing?

556
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Will they shut down all the breeding facilities

557
00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:40,580
there?

558
00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,160
Because that's a huge problem.

559
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As we know, the more animals bred is

560
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a big problem.

561
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,380
So they don't go into shelters and stuff.

562
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And then if this is going away in

563
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South Korea, what's the time?

564
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You know, is it going to be a

565
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year from now?

566
00:25:55,740 --> 00:25:56,360
Is it immediate?

567
00:25:56,740 --> 00:25:59,340
And then do you see that China is

568
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going to continue doing this kind of stuff?

569
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,740
Or do you see like, is there an

570
00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:07,760
agreement with shipping these dogs to other countries

571
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,220
for dog meat?

572
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:11,640
I just want to know what's going on

573
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,440
because it could stop somewhere, but just be

574
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,080
going on in another place.

575
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:16,920
You know what I'm saying?

576
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:17,960
Yeah, we do.

577
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:18,940
Excellent questions.

578
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,060
Now, we just want to bring you up

579
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to date because we've been covering this.

580
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,680
It goes into effect in three years.

581
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720
And so that answers that question.

582
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,880
But the folks here, the heroes and the

583
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,400
activists you see in this video who are

584
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,760
celebrating after the vote are not going to

585
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,700
just stand by for three years and do

586
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:38,120
nothing.

587
00:26:38,860 --> 00:26:41,300
So please tell us what you're going to

588
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:42,760
do in that three year time period.

589
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,440
And also, yeah, people don't realise that there

590
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920
are farms that breed these dogs, just like

591
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,500
in the United States, we have farms that

592
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,600
breed cows and pigs.

593
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,520
And in fact, there is a huge contingency

594
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,860
of people who say, well, isn't this hypocritical?

595
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:03,720
We're factory farming pigs who actually have a

596
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,180
higher IQ than dogs, which is not really

597
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:09,320
something that should count at all, but it

598
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,640
just happens to be the fact.

599
00:27:11,020 --> 00:27:13,220
And look how we keep pigs, okay?

600
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,920
We keep pigs in gestation crates, the size

601
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,720
of their bodies, unable to turn around and

602
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,720
scratch themselves.

603
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
It is a literally torture device.

604
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,320
And Americans are eating an average of 66

605
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,980
.18 pounds of pork per year.

606
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,500
So there's a very good argument to be

607
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,500
made that it's hypocrisy for us to call

608
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:40,100
out another country while we are systematically torturing

609
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:41,440
animals here for food.

610
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:45,080
I'd like to get some round table on

611
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,860
that because I think that is a really

612
00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:47,700
crucial fact.

613
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,620
Now, nobody here on this panel eats animals.

614
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:53,980
So we're not the problem, but it's the

615
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:56,580
people who love dogs and continue to eat

616
00:27:56,580 --> 00:28:00,820
other animals that, in my opinion, are the

617
00:28:00,820 --> 00:28:04,640
ones who have a disconnect between their views

618
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,660
about how animals should be treated and what

619
00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:08,500
their actions are.

620
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,380
Chris, take it away.

621
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,660
You know, I wanted to just bring up

622
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something that was real important.

623
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:13,900
I didn't want to interrupt you before.

624
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:20,580
The spokesperson for the Ag Committee, he came

625
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:23,560
out and when he announced that they voted

626
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,660
on it, first the subcommittee voted on it,

627
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and then the Ag Committee voted on it.

628
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:30,540
And both have said, this is going to

629
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be a bill that's going to be put

630
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into effect.

631
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:33,820
It's going to be a law.

632
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,420
And there's no skirting around it because there'll

633
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:40,400
be severe penalties, fines of up to $32

634
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,600
,000, US dollars.

635
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,740
There'll be imprisonment of three years.

636
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,500
So they've said some powerful words, which is,

637
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:52,360
I've never heard before in any bill, even

638
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,080
the Proposition 2 in California and all these,

639
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:58,400
I've never heard jail sentences and major fines

640
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:58,920
like that.

641
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,220
And then the committee's coming out and saying

642
00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:05,820
that they're going to enforce it.

643
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:07,400
This is not something to play with.

644
00:29:07,700 --> 00:29:09,260
This is something that's going to be serious,

645
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,300
that they're putting a lot into it.

646
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,300
And that's the beauty of the government.

647
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,440
Yes, it moves a little bit slower than

648
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,380
we activists, but it moves in a cohesive

649
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:20,860
manner.

650
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,560
And that's what we need to see.

651
00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:26,060
We've got to believe that they're going to

652
00:29:26,060 --> 00:29:28,120
tell the truth because their names are on

653
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,960
the line.

654
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:30,920
Their reputations are on the line.

655
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,020
And it's a bill.

656
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:34,620
It's a law.

657
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,020
It's going to be, it's a law.

658
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,680
So whatever it is, it's going to be

659
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,840
something that needs to be enforced.

660
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,140
Let me just jump in and say, I

661
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:45,000
would hope that there's a way of approaching

662
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,580
these farmers who actually protested and there were

663
00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:49,600
fights outside the parliament.

664
00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,220
We chose not to bring you that, but

665
00:29:52,220 --> 00:29:56,140
there were fistfights outside with the dog farmers

666
00:29:56,140 --> 00:29:58,880
that farm dogs, just like other people farm

667
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,380
pigs here in the United States, saying, it's

668
00:30:03,380 --> 00:30:03,920
jobs.

669
00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:06,240
You're taking away our jobs, which is always

670
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,020
the argument.

671
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:10,800
Throughout time, whether it's civil rights, women's rights,

672
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,440
anytime somebody wants to keep power for whatever

673
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,640
it is that they're doing, that ends up

674
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,380
causing a lot of suffering for somebody else,

675
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:23,240
another being or another person, they always cite

676
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,880
jobs.

677
00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:25,240
This is the first thing.

678
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:26,180
And you know what?

679
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,180
There will be new jobs created as people

680
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:33,620
try to have other sorts of food to

681
00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:38,040
eat, like plant-based meats, which actually originated

682
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:38,680
in Asia.

683
00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:41,300
Tofu has been eaten for centuries in Asia,

684
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:43,940
and it's not something that the United States

685
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:44,900
invented at all.

686
00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:46,940
You might say the Asian world is the

687
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:48,600
leader in meat alternatives.

688
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:49,740
Jian?

689
00:30:51,340 --> 00:30:52,840
Yes, I totally agree.

690
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:53,440
Yes.

691
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:56,500
Yeah.

692
00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,580
Well, I mean, no, let me go to

693
00:30:58,580 --> 00:30:59,280
Sheena on this.

694
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,440
Sheena, there is a sense that people are

695
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,920
saying, some people are saying, look, in the

696
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:10,300
United States, we're saying, oh, this is terrible,

697
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,800
this is horrible, because we look at dogs

698
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,620
as pets, which they also do in South

699
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:17,680
Korea and China as well.

700
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:20,620
The pet population is growing rapidly, companion animals,

701
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:22,080
it's a growing industry.

702
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,280
But they're also saying there's a certain hypocrisy

703
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,320
for people who are eating pigs, saying, how

704
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,280
dare you eat dogs?

705
00:31:30,420 --> 00:31:31,600
I just want to address that.

706
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:36,260
Yeah, it's definitely, it's a speciesism.

707
00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:40,240
Certain animals are to be eaten, others are

708
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,300
to be as a pet, like a panda

709
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:43,180
and a pig.

710
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,520
I saw a picture before, they said, what's

711
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,140
the difference between panda and pig?

712
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,760
Just the outer skin, they look the same,

713
00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:51,160
actually.

714
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,920
So I do believe a lot of people,

715
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,520
I transitioned into veganism from fighting against dog

716
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:58,940
meat.

717
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,760
And in 2016, I've noticed that, I started

718
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,720
to fight and then started to connect the

719
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,220
thoughts, I realised that meat is meat, animal

720
00:32:07,220 --> 00:32:09,600
is animal, they're all the same thing, and

721
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,360
just eat one and treat the other one.

722
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,860
There's no equality in human or humanity, we

723
00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:19,920
should all treat all human beings equally.

724
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,980
So we're against dog meat, against pig, eating

725
00:32:23,980 --> 00:32:27,200
pig, eating cows, this is just a harm

726
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,440
programme.

727
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:29,360
I believe that we should not be eating

728
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,660
any living beings.

729
00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:33,280
All right, we've got one more caller.

730
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:37,340
Annie and Sherman Oaks, your question or thought

731
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:38,060
for our panel.

732
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,300
Oh, hi, thank you for this.

733
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,580
Oh, my God, I'm so stoked up.

734
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:45,140
Thank you so much, heroes.

735
00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:47,600
Appreciate you all for all you do.

736
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:49,780
Chris Zero as well, heroic.

737
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,960
I want to ask maybe two part questions.

738
00:32:55,460 --> 00:32:58,620
Is there any other bills to try and

739
00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:00,340
stop reproduction?

740
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,000
Because this had come up earlier from questions

741
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,900
of dogs, because these farms are perpetuating.

742
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,300
And what was the most powerful, strategic thing

743
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:12,900
that you've done?

744
00:33:13,020 --> 00:33:14,840
I know this has been years you've been

745
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,720
working on, bless you, heroes in all meanings.

746
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,820
But what was the most powerful, strategic thing

747
00:33:22,820 --> 00:33:25,380
that you did you feel that was most

748
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:26,140
effective?

749
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
So that we can adapt that.

750
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,720
Take it away, Chris.

751
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:33,760
The investigations, the expose of what's going on

752
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
in the slaughterhouses, what's going on in the

753
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,380
dog farms, what's going on in the auction

754
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:38,800
houses.

755
00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:42,160
This was constantly gotten out there.

756
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,700
And we had cameras inside these places, GoPro

757
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,920
cameras that had maybe five or six GoPro

758
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,320
cameras going nonstop, nonstop.

759
00:33:51,460 --> 00:33:53,800
So we had hundreds of hours of video.

760
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,660
And that video really is what shook the

761
00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:58,780
world when they saw what was going on

762
00:33:58,780 --> 00:33:59,120
in there.

763
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,140
And it's unedited.

764
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,820
It's nothing that we could say we edited

765
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:05,820
this in there or this out of there,

766
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,000
nothing like that.

767
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:09,239
And so it was very powerful.

768
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,380
And then doing the campaigns on it, setting

769
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:15,960
up a faux dog meat slaughter place in

770
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960
the centre of Seoul and making it look

771
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000
like you're doing exactly what you would be

772
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,520
doing with a dog in a slaughterhouse, slamming

773
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,460
it down on the ground.

774
00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:29,639
But of course, it's a dummy dog.

775
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,760
And that was very effective.

776
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,400
And then the laser beam on the dome

777
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,620
of the Blue House, sending a message in

778
00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:43,440
Korean, sending a message that this is wrong

779
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,920
and that the government needs to get behind

780
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,880
it and ban it once and for all.

781
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400
So that's it.

782
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:54,860
So what would you say, Jian, was the

783
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:56,620
most successful strategy?

784
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,680
I would pick media presence because government really

785
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,960
is very sensitive.

786
00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:10,580
Well, both government officials and the members of

787
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:13,400
parliaments are very sensitive to media coverage.

788
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:22,990
So LCA and ALW have been doing two

789
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:27,590
or three campaigns every year, an investigation, getting

790
00:35:27,590 --> 00:35:30,350
it out to the major media, that includes

791
00:35:30,350 --> 00:35:30,790
TV.

792
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:36,550
So I would think that continuous media coverage

793
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:41,270
and public awareness campaigns really piled up to

794
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:42,710
make this change happen.

795
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:46,290
And on this point also, about what Jian

796
00:35:46,290 --> 00:35:50,450
explained about race, about what are we going

797
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:51,570
to do with factory farms?

798
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:56,450
Isn't it hypocrisy to ban only dog meat?

799
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:57,590
I totally agree.

800
00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:02,610
And what this case that we experienced in

801
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:06,150
South Korea could mean is how I really

802
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:12,190
think, because in South Korea, the anti-movement

803
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:14,890
about dog meat trade is something that happened

804
00:36:14,890 --> 00:36:18,430
over the last 30 years by continuous participation

805
00:36:18,430 --> 00:36:19,730
of different peoples.

806
00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:21,290
It just piled up.

807
00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:24,630
And what we saw in this country is

808
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:30,530
that public perception opposing the dog meat trade

809
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:32,970
has been slowly rising up.

810
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:37,470
And it's right before the bill's passage just

811
00:36:37,470 --> 00:36:44,350
this month, we were seeing absolute amount, 81%,

812
00:36:44,350 --> 00:36:47,550
78% or 9% of South Koreans

813
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:51,650
now for the legal change to ban this,

814
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:54,470
which wasn't the case in five years ago,

815
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:56,770
or 10 years ago, or even 20 years

816
00:36:56,770 --> 00:36:57,010
ago.

817
00:36:57,390 --> 00:37:00,050
So what this means is how, even if

818
00:37:00,050 --> 00:37:03,590
we could think any action by itself doesn't

819
00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:06,350
change the world, it just piles up.

820
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:08,610
And I think it's really important that we

821
00:37:08,610 --> 00:37:12,150
keep on doing this because that changes slowly

822
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:16,950
the people's opinions and their behaviours, and the

823
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:22,050
members of parliament, politicians, governments, they're just always

824
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:26,690
going for these changes in public perception because

825
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:27,610
they want to rule.

826
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:29,710
Yeah, that's what I think.

827
00:37:29,710 --> 00:37:32,910
And you see here, this is from South

828
00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:35,790
Korea outside the parliament building, after the historic

829
00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:38,530
vote was taken, see Chris speaking, you see

830
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:41,570
Jen Lee speaking, you see all of these

831
00:37:41,570 --> 00:37:41,910
folks.

832
00:37:42,590 --> 00:37:46,310
My thought is, does it change the attitudes

833
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:49,090
of South Koreans toward all animals?

834
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:53,330
Is there a growing vegan movement in South

835
00:37:53,330 --> 00:37:57,530
Korea, along with a movement toward having dogs

836
00:37:57,530 --> 00:38:00,950
as companion animals and showing compassion to dogs?

837
00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:01,450
Jian?

838
00:38:02,250 --> 00:38:03,510
Sure thing.

839
00:38:04,350 --> 00:38:08,010
Animal Liberation Wave is actually on the forefront,

840
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:11,090
really in the forefront, to make this happen

841
00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:13,250
in South Korea, because we are renowned in

842
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:15,990
South Korea as a first organisation in the

843
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:20,890
country to put animal liberation on the forefront,

844
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:24,910
to liberate all the species of beings, and

845
00:38:24,910 --> 00:38:29,770
to put anti-speciesism on the forefront, and

846
00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:34,130
really act, spread words about veganism, how South

847
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:36,510
Korean people should adopt more vegan lifestyle.

848
00:38:37,570 --> 00:38:41,950
So, and this is also very interesting, is

849
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:44,930
how over the last three or four, no,

850
00:38:45,250 --> 00:38:47,450
I would say four to five years, three

851
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:51,470
to four years, that veganism has been appearing

852
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:53,690
a lot in the media stream.

853
00:38:54,190 --> 00:38:56,850
So I would say five years ago, when

854
00:38:56,850 --> 00:39:00,010
five or six years ago, when we were

855
00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:02,950
not existent, we did see in the mainstream

856
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:06,010
media, people talking about vegetarianism.

857
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:11,790
But really, veganism was not there, or even

858
00:39:11,790 --> 00:39:15,130
anti-speciesism, or even a word about animal

859
00:39:15,130 --> 00:39:20,010
liberation, or the necessity to free these farm

860
00:39:20,010 --> 00:39:23,450
animals from exploitation.

861
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:27,910
So what's happening now is that if I

862
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:30,590
turn on TV, I could suddenly see vegan

863
00:39:30,590 --> 00:39:33,690
cosmetic products being advertised, really.

864
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:39,090
And yes, we are just seeing a growing,

865
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:41,270
fast growing of vegan movement in South Korea.

866
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:44,990
And I've, I've experienced fast growing of young

867
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:49,870
vegans in South Korea, among South Korean young

868
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:50,450
generations.

869
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:52,070
And this is something huge.

870
00:39:52,410 --> 00:39:54,730
And I would like to pinpoint that every

871
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:58,810
South Korean think about our country, that when

872
00:39:58,810 --> 00:40:01,030
we adopt, when we are willing to adopt

873
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:04,010
any change, this is, we are a small

874
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:04,510
country.

875
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,360
Go ahead.

876
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,340
Sometimes living really fast produces some problems.

877
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:14,080
But a good thing is we're also fascinated

878
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,300
with adopting good changes.

879
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:17,400
So that's actually, that's what I got to

880
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,440
say to your question.

881
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,120
Well, I'd like to say that I have

882
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,480
another very special guest who is with me

883
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:23,920
now.

884
00:40:24,140 --> 00:40:26,300
And this is one of my two rescue

885
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,520
dogs, Wednesday, who was, somebody tried to dump

886
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,680
her at a shelter in Los Angeles.

887
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,400
And the shelters are so overrun and frankly

888
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,760
mismanaged that they actually said, oh no, just

889
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,240
take her back where you found her.

890
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,340
And luckily a rescuer heard that and rescued

891
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:44,560
her.

892
00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:47,920
And now she is my little, my little

893
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,940
companion animal.

894
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,020
But like so many Americans, I love my

895
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:52,300
dogs.

896
00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:54,100
You'll meet my other dogs Sunday in a

897
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:54,400
second.

898
00:40:55,780 --> 00:41:00,400
I consider dogs the gateway drug to compassion

899
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,400
to animals because people love their dogs, like

900
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,780
they're their children, because they essentially are their

901
00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:08,140
children.

902
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,340
I know people who have five or six

903
00:41:10,340 --> 00:41:13,180
children, but they always talk about their dogs

904
00:41:13,180 --> 00:41:14,660
every time I see them.

905
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,080
So let me ask the big question.

906
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:21,140
And I'd like to get a round table

907
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:21,960
from everybody.

908
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:26,280
Chris, as this, in fact, let me play

909
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,320
what you said in South Korea about how

910
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,280
the world is watching all of this.

911
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,160
And then we're going to talk about the

912
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,840
implications for the world when it comes to

913
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,700
compassionate dogs and translating that into compassion for

914
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:42,840
all animals.

915
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,920
The world is watching.

916
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,920
I say to you again now, the world

917
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,620
is watching.

918
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,320
The people that have gathered here today have

919
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,760
been by no means alone in their fight

920
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,340
for the lives of millions of dogs slaughtered

921
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:57,960
every year.

922
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,820
So Chris, you said the world is watching.

923
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,680
Is the world getting the message that it's

924
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,800
not just about dogs in South Korea?

925
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,900
That's huge.

926
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,820
It's a huge victory, but it's really about

927
00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:13,280
all animals everywhere.

928
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,220
Yes, it is.

929
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,640
And especially farm animals, because these dogs on

930
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,100
the dog meat slaughter line were raised on

931
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:24,960
farms, in factory farms.

932
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,740
And so anything to do with factory farm

933
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:29,520
animals, yes.

934
00:42:29,580 --> 00:42:31,040
And I think anything to do with any

935
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,060
animals in general, yes.

936
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,980
It sends a message.

937
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:38,260
It sends a message, number one, it can

938
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:38,720
be done.

939
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,400
It can be done on this scale.

940
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:41,860
And it has been done.

941
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:44,880
Now we've proven it can get done on

942
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,740
a national level.

943
00:42:45,740 --> 00:42:48,640
And let me tell you, the dog lobbyists,

944
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:49,840
they were very powerful.

945
00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:50,820
They were very vocal.

946
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:53,380
They were very in your face on things.

947
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,200
But we got just as aggressive, but in

948
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,800
a very more of a political way.

949
00:42:58,420 --> 00:43:05,260
And so, yes, we feel that it's made

950
00:43:05,260 --> 00:43:06,600
a difference all around the world.

951
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:08,840
It's like throwing that little pet rock in

952
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,900
a lake and it just ripples across the

953
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:12,980
lake and it just has an effect all

954
00:43:12,980 --> 00:43:13,720
over the place.

955
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,000
So, yes, it's having an effect everywhere.

956
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,380
And it's building that momentum up.

957
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,360
And it happened at the beginning of the

958
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,080
year, 24.

959
00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:25,400
And it's very exciting to see that.

960
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:29,720
And then plus, don't forget, enforcement is on

961
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,240
everybody, back of everybody's mind.

962
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:34,600
Because like you said before, Jane, we passed

963
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,500
these bills and there was no enforcement on

964
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:37,000
them or anything.

965
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
When we, LCA enforcement, gets a bill passed,

966
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,220
we stay behind it.

967
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:45,280
We say like, we've been going into these

968
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,500
stores on the fur farms, getting fur coats

969
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:52,640
from slaughterhouses and stuff.

970
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,140
So, yes, we're going to stay on top

971
00:43:55,140 --> 00:43:55,500
of this.

972
00:43:55,700 --> 00:43:57,480
We're definitely not going to let go of

973
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:57,740
it.

974
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:01,280
You can rest assured, as sure as we're

975
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,960
having this conversation, this is going to continue.

976
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,920
The enforcement of this is going to be

977
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,540
taken very seriously.

978
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,480
Okay.

979
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:11,040
I'm going to jump in because we've got

980
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,580
yet another caller.

981
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,060
People are just really, wow.

982
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,140
Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought

983
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:19,400
for our panel of heroes.

984
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,580
Yes, this is great news.

985
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,480
And thank you, Unchained TV for covering this

986
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,540
exciting news.

987
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,060
I wanted to ask the Animal Liberation Waves,

988
00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:32,920
what is their next, where do they go

989
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,660
from here?

990
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:36,980
Do they continue this campaign or what are

991
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:37,680
their next plans?

992
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:39,680
Take it away.

993
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,160
For the foremost thing, we would, because after

994
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,400
the passage, this is not the end.

995
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,940
We do have to spend this three years

996
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:58,750
until the enforcement of the ban, spend it

997
00:44:58,750 --> 00:45:01,690
well to really monitor whether or not the

998
00:45:01,690 --> 00:45:05,070
transition of dog farms and slaughterhouses, which means

999
00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:07,730
shrinking of the dog meat industry that we

1000
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:10,590
used to have, is really happening at a

1001
00:45:10,590 --> 00:45:12,090
satisfactory level.

1002
00:45:12,590 --> 00:45:20,820
And afterwards, when the raising, slaughtering and selling

1003
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:23,660
happens, we would need to monitor as you

1004
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:25,880
do in LA to monitor fur sales.

1005
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,380
So yeah, that's one of our missions.

1006
00:45:29,820 --> 00:45:31,840
That's going to be our continued mission.

1007
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,900
And also this overlaps with what we are

1008
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:39,900
talking about in this show is that we

1009
00:45:39,900 --> 00:45:44,780
definitely need to take this case to have

1010
00:45:44,780 --> 00:45:48,320
impact on other farm animals or fur animals,

1011
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:51,820
I would say, and spread egonism in South

1012
00:45:51,820 --> 00:45:56,960
Korea, because every animals are all the same.

1013
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,740
And it's not that only dogs were suffering

1014
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:04,180
from farms and systematic exploitation when pigs, cows,

1015
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,240
chickens are not.

1016
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,040
Actually, more number of animals are being slaughtered

1017
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,240
every day in this continued business, bigger industry.

1018
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,660
So we are, I think we are gearing

1019
00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:17,620
up for a even bigger fight because it's

1020
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:20,720
an industry, the livestock industry, animal agriculture, as

1021
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,260
it is in the United States and South

1022
00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:22,800
Korea too.

1023
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:27,360
It's another totally bigger scale industry.

1024
00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:29,840
And we would like to, well, just one

1025
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,220
more thing.

1026
00:46:30,220 --> 00:46:34,160
What we're trying to do is make this

1027
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,480
change in South Korea to have an impact

1028
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,900
throughout the Southeast Asia and China and Japan

1029
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:40,260
too.

1030
00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:43,280
And we are already seeing what we're seeing

1031
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,980
after the passage of dog meat ban.

1032
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,060
We are getting foreign coverage about how Indonesia

1033
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:53,760
is responding, how people in China is responding,

1034
00:46:53,980 --> 00:46:56,440
which is, I think South Korea is a

1035
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,560
country in Asia that is really has powerful

1036
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,280
movement, civil rights movement.

1037
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,900
So what we see, what we make in

1038
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,260
this country, I definitely believe is going to

1039
00:47:09,260 --> 00:47:11,660
have, is good to have a ripple effect

1040
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:12,980
throughout the whole Asia.

1041
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:14,180
Yes.

1042
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,260
And people were asking to meet my other

1043
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:16,540
dog.

1044
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:19,940
This is my other companion animal, Sunday.

1045
00:47:20,460 --> 00:47:22,880
And she was rescued on a Sunday and

1046
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,660
she was found in Arlita running in the

1047
00:47:24,660 --> 00:47:29,380
rain, no chip, no collar and not spayed.

1048
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,340
Now both my animals are spayed because pet

1049
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:35,340
overpopulation is another big aspect of this problem.

1050
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:36,160
Obviously.

1051
00:47:36,780 --> 00:47:40,160
I also want to talk about the dogs

1052
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,940
that Sheena Gao rescued.

1053
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,600
She rescues dogs from the dog meat trade

1054
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,560
in China.

1055
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:48,820
I attended one of those events.

1056
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,860
Let's talk about it on the other side.

1057
00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:52,980
Come here, babies.

1058
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:59,560
Oh, look at these babies all from China

1059
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,940
rescued from the dog meat trade.

1060
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,160
They're up for adoption.

1061
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:08,160
This one just got adopted by this lovely

1062
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,980
lady came in from Chicago.

1063
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:12,140
Oh, baby.

1064
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,600
Come on, baby.

1065
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:20,120
Tell me how you feel about rescuing your

1066
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,480
dog.

1067
00:48:21,020 --> 00:48:22,320
I feel, I feel really great.

1068
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:26,560
It's, it's very honourable and I feel like

1069
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,040
I'm on a mission, but I also, I

1070
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,220
will love the dog and like give her

1071
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:32,800
a safe and warm home, make her feel

1072
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,300
happy.

1073
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,660
So excellent work, Sheena Gao.

1074
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,020
You do so much.

1075
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:41,660
I have attended so many of your events.

1076
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:43,420
I just want to know, how do you

1077
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:45,320
get these dogs out of China?

1078
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,060
Okay.

1079
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,140
Thank you for the platform.

1080
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:49,860
Actually, I want to correct it.

1081
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:53,920
I personally do not strictly go to China

1082
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,680
rescue dogs.

1083
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:56,900
I work with a lot of rescue groups

1084
00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:02,020
in China and in Chinese organised rescues in

1085
00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:02,600
America.

1086
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,120
So I'll give them a platform to adopt

1087
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,680
the dogs.

1088
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,580
I foster them in the airport, pick them

1089
00:49:09,580 --> 00:49:11,540
up and their organisations.

1090
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,520
I work on the paperwork for them to

1091
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,640
go through the whole process of a medical

1092
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,900
check, plan through CDC to get the dogs

1093
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:22,420
here to make sure these dogs are adopted.

1094
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,860
The one that you saw the last event,

1095
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:28,160
I was working with a couple of other

1096
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,400
Chinese rescue dog groups and they were able

1097
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,820
to get the dogs here and just looking,

1098
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,460
loving to get them placed from the meat

1099
00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:39,820
trade.

1100
00:49:40,940 --> 00:49:41,120
Yeah.

1101
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:43,380
And I think that's a really important point.

1102
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,400
You're part of a much bigger team.

1103
00:49:45,540 --> 00:49:47,440
I know you do have your own organisation,

1104
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,660
Mercy for Chinese Dogs, but obviously it takes

1105
00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:52,500
a village to make these things happen.

1106
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:57,660
My last question is, Jian, is there a

1107
00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:00,060
plan to in any way, try to work

1108
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:02,140
with these farms, these so-called farms that

1109
00:50:02,140 --> 00:50:06,100
are manufacturing these dogs, basically giant breeding facilities

1110
00:50:06,100 --> 00:50:09,220
to see if there's a way you can

1111
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:11,080
get some of these dogs out, maybe help

1112
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,500
them transition to another line of work.

1113
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,820
Are you going to dialogue with them at

1114
00:50:15,820 --> 00:50:18,060
all or is there just too hostility there?

1115
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:22,650
I think it's a possibility.

1116
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:28,550
I do know some farmers who are still

1117
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:31,710
working, who are still running their farms, but

1118
00:50:31,710 --> 00:50:34,290
are also okay to speak with.

1119
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:37,050
And the thing is, when you see on

1120
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:40,690
the media, you will see only angry farmers.

1121
00:50:40,990 --> 00:50:43,010
But then again, in South Korea, there are

1122
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:46,090
actually quite a bit of farmers who are

1123
00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:51,930
okay to speak with and who say that

1124
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:58,010
if only government compensation or government support is

1125
00:50:58,010 --> 00:51:04,260
there, it slows down this business early.

1126
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,580
So I think it's going to be another

1127
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:13,560
one of our campaign lines to actually speak

1128
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,220
with these people, how they think now, and

1129
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:17,300
hear their opinions.

1130
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,520
And I think our role is to just

1131
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,900
be in the middle between the government and

1132
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:26,760
these farmers, not only to speak for dogs,

1133
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,800
of course, we will need to gather stories

1134
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,160
from underground and just deliver it to the

1135
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:37,660
government.

1136
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:44,840
Because what we want at the end of

1137
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,820
the day is to fasten these closure and

1138
00:51:47,820 --> 00:51:50,220
transition of dog farms into another livelihood.

1139
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,600
If the industry shrinks fast, then we're going

1140
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,580
to see some effects that's even earlier than

1141
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:02,160
the ban even takes place.

1142
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:02,580
Yeah.

1143
00:52:03,220 --> 00:52:05,360
We have only a minute left.

1144
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:07,560
Chris, what are your final thoughts on this?

1145
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:10,060
And again, wow, well done.

1146
00:52:10,620 --> 00:52:11,680
Let me just say this.

1147
00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:13,040
One of the things I feel made this

1148
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,920
very successful too, is that the people over

1149
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,120
there and the people that we dealt with

1150
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,500
as far as NGOs and even the MPs,

1151
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:24,480
no one made it a personal thing.

1152
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:27,720
No one's lashed back at these dog farmers

1153
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:28,840
and made it a personal thing.

1154
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,540
It's not them that we hate, it's what

1155
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:33,100
they're doing that we don't like.

1156
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:36,340
And that was the focus on all this.

1157
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:37,600
And it stayed that way.

1158
00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:40,840
So it didn't become a personal battle between,

1159
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:43,780
I say this about you, and then you

1160
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:44,600
say this about me.

1161
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:47,000
No, this is about the dog meat trade.

1162
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,940
It's wrong.

1163
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:49,560
It's really wrong.

1164
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:52,280
And that's what we stayed focused on.

1165
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:54,300
We never got sidetracked on personalities.

1166
00:52:54,580 --> 00:52:56,800
We never got sidetracked on egos or anything

1167
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,260
like that.

1168
00:52:57,540 --> 00:52:59,100
This is what I've always been talking about

1169
00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:00,380
for the last 45 years.

1170
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:02,100
Stay focused on the issue.

1171
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:03,500
It's the issue that's going to win.

1172
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,740
And that's what came about in the forefront

1173
00:53:06,740 --> 00:53:11,800
of this battle with the dog meat people.

1174
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:13,520
We are out of time.

1175
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:14,840
I want to thank all of you.

1176
00:53:14,980 --> 00:53:16,420
You truly are my heroes.

1177
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:20,400
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1178
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1179
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:22,920
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1180
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1181
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1185
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1186
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1187
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1188
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:42,700
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1189
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,340
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1190
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1191
00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:48,920
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1192
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