Sept. 18, 2024
UnchainedTV: The TMZ Paparazzi Turned Animal Rights Filmmaker
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Harambe is a true-crime documentary like no other and will have you on the edge of your seat with crucial information never before revealed. You can watch it by clicking here: https://watch.unchainedtv.com/videos/harambe-the-movie. Erik Crown, the director, is a former TMZ paparazzi who used to photograph and interview celebrities on the fly before reinventing himself and becoming an animal rights filmmaker. Harambe, a critically endangered, silverback gorilla, was shot and killed after a child entered into his enclosure at the Cincinnati Zoo in 2016. The story made international news and Harambe’s photo quickly became a viral internet sensation that sparked an important discussion on captivity. Was the gorilla actually trying to protect the child when the primate was shot? Let’s dive deep and find out with the team that made this award-winning film. Featuring Downton Abbey star Peter Egan, this movie has been hailed as the next Blackfish, revealing the dark underbelly of zoos. “The killing of Harambe was murder,” says Captain Paul Watson, star of Whale Wars and founding member of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd. UnchainedTV’s Jane Velez-Mitchell speaks with Director Erik Crown and Producer Sierra Williams about this groundbreaking film. For more, or to get involved, visit: https://harambemovie.com/
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Welcome to Unchained TV featuring best-selling author,
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TV journalist, and the founder of the Unchained
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Now here's your host, Jane Valez Mitchell.
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Welcome, let's go to May 28th, 2016, the
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zoo in Cincinnati, horror erupts, a child has
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somehow ended up in the zoo enclosure, and
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what happened next has become a movie that
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will rock your world.
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This image alone of Harambee has been shared
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28 billion times.
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His case went viral because they shot him
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dead.
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They shot this innocent being who was in
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captivity, not in the wild, dead because a
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child had fallen into his enclosure.
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Now I'm going to talk to the two
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extraordinary filmmakers who took a deep dive into
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this case to find out what really happened
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and also explore the horrors of animals in
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captivity and a syndrome called zookosis, which is
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the psychosis that animal prisoners inside zoos endure.
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This film has been hailed as the next
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Blackfish, and it is rocking the world of
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zoos, which in this film makes an argument
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are animal prisoners.
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Rest in peace, Harambee.
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Thank you so much for joining us, Eric
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Crown and Sierra Williams.
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And you just got back from Africa, where
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you were also trying to save animals.
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Let's just start with this extraordinary film you
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did, Harambee.
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Eric, if you had to do the 32nd
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elevator pitch to somebody, what would you say
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about the importance of your film?
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I would say that right now the most
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important thing we can do as a modern
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society is to re-examine the concept of
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captivity for entertainment and re-examine the idea
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of keeping sentient beings in these types of
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prisons.
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It's an outdated concept, and we need to
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look at it through modern eyes, modern understanding
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of animals, and modern sense of empathy that
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has grown and grown and grown, and we
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have seen an overwhelming amount of people that
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stand behind this idea.
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But I think captivity is outdated, cruel, and
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needs to be ended.
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And I'm very proud to say that Harambee
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is streaming for free on Unchained TV, which
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is our free streaming television network for animal
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rights and compassion to all animals and the
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plant-based lifestyle.
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So let's play a trailer, a snippet of
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a trailer of Harambee with sound so that
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you can experience truly the horror of that
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moment when this young boy fell into the
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enclosure, and then we're going to discuss it
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on the other side.
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Oh my god!
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A zoo under fire for shooting and killing
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an endangered gorilla instead of tranquillizing him.
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This whole tragedy was a misunderstanding.
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I don't know for sure if he was
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trying to protect him, but I know he
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wasn't trying to hurt him.
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It went viral.
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Everyone was talking about it.
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It was on every news channel.
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It was dominating the headlines about a boy
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coming face to face with a gorilla.
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I mean, this is not a common news
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story that you hear about.
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I know about it because of what happened,
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and then it blew up into a meme,
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and it's unforgettable.
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He was known as Handsome Harambee.
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He was there, but he preferred to be
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out in the wild.
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I know that.
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He didn't even know what the wild was,
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but he would tell us, like, you know,
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there's a better place for me.
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So this child somehow ended up in the
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gorilla world, which is the enclosure where these
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gorillas were kept.
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There were two females, and then there was
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Harambee, who, according to published reports, was 440
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pounds.
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The two females were shushed away.
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Harambee remained, and just describe what happened next
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for the next crucial 10 minutes, because the
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whole question that your film poses is, was
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he trying to hurt the boy, or was
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he trying to protect the boy?
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You know, and that is really the crux
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of the questions that we hear the most
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of.
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What happened next is very challenging because they
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whisked everybody away.
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No one was allowed to be in the
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area, so there's not a lot of video
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or imagery.
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When we asked for security tapes, even first
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responder cameras, we were denied, and we were
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also denied all information from the city when
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we made our FOIA request.
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What happens next is Harambee, so Harambee was
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on the opposite side of the exhibit as
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the exit door was located, where Harambee knew
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to go in and out of the door
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and to get food, and he was trained
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for that one particular door.
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He lived on the other side of the
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enclosure.
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He kept to himself.
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He was not very happy.
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He was very closed off, and when the
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boy fell down, he, in many, I would
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say most guerrilla experts' opinions, was trying to
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return the boy to the parents.
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Now, this is where people will argue different
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things, but what we do know is he
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was on the opposite side of the enclosure.
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He grabbed the boy, picked him up.
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He did carry him in a very normal
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guerrilla fashion, and then actually climbed up 13
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feet to the top of the exhibit and
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stood next to the door he usually comes
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in and out of, waiting for zookeepers, and
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he was killed with a single bullet, and
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his head exploded.
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the ammunition they used, so what everybody saw
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was a guerrilla and a child, and understandably,
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they were very frightened for the child's safety,
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but that fear created a series of chaos
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and confusion that led to his death, as
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opposed to an understanding of animal behaviour and
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an appreciation that, as Ian Redmond says in
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the movie, if he wanted to harm the
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boy, he could have in an instant, but
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he didn't.
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He brought the boy back to the actual
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exhibit door, and then he was killed.
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So, one shot, boom, he's dead, and of
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course, even the newscasters were asking, why didn't
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they use a tranquillizer gun?
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That is one of the key questions.
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We have some callers lining up, but can
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you answer that crucial question?
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Yes, actually, it's very important that they did
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not use a tranquillizer, because tranquillizers don't work
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the way people think of in movies.
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You don't fire a tranquillizer dart and somebody
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goes down.
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It actually puts a system into overdrive, which
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then shuts the system down.
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It can take up to 20-25 minutes
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to become active inside, especially inside of a
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large guerrilla, so that may have agitated Harambe
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and may have led to a different outcome
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or a very dangerous outcome for the boy.
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So, as much as we would have liked
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to have seen a non-lethal ending to
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it, I don't believe the zookeepers necessarily had
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a choice with the way their programme runs,
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and that is exactly why we feel we
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should not have endangered animals in captivity anymore.
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I don't think we should have any animals
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in captivity, frankly.
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Let's go to the phone lines.
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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for the makers of Harambe.
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Yeah, thank you for having the show.
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I remember when this incident happened, and I
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was so angry, and I still am.
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This is so sad on so many levels,
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and it's something that should never have happened
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for the simple reasons that zoos should not
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exist.
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Plain and simple, they're prisons, but my question
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is why were the parents never charged with
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the crime, and for no other reason than
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endangering their child by not properly watching him
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and letting him enter the enclosure?
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Thank you.
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You know, Michael, that is a great question,
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and that is one of one of the
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biggest points that we do talk about, because
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when we talk about Harambe, people are very
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upset, because we all know that what happened
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to him was wrong.
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Now, what we uncovered while making the movie
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is that the zoo actually was not in
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compliance.
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Their fence was not proper size, and as
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a matter of fact, it was a little
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under three feet tall, and it was three
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simple wires that the kid climbed right under.
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as to what were the parents doing, but
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we posit a similar question in response, which
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is when you take your children to a
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zoo or a movie theatre, for example, someplace
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where there's a public place that is allowed
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to have children, you do expect a certain
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level of safety, and the zoo failed, and
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that's why the zoo was actually charged, penalised,
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and we spoke to some of the responding
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officers who didn't want to be in the
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movie, but they did an investigation and found
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no negligence on the mom's part, but what
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we did see at the end was a
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spin where everybody took their anger, and it
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went directly to the parents instead of the
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zoo who was legally responsible.
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In fact, this is the first time that
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a child is falling into a gorilla enclosure.
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This is the third time it's happened.
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It's true.
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Yeah, and you know, the thing that really
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just drives me crazy is that people always
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talk about zoos as educational for the children,
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for the children.
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This is the 21st century.
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I can swim with the dolphins with a
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headset.
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I can experience in a real world way
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what these animals are like with 21st century
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technology, 3D technology, virtual headsets, etc.
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We don't need to keep these animals in
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these prisons called zoos, and I invite the
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Cincinnati Zoo or any zoo on here on
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Unchained TV to debate me on that and
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dialogue with me.
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We've got so many callers.
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We're going to run through them.
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Karen in Venice, California, your question or thought.
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Okay, so I have been to Rwanda.
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I've been up close with gorillas.
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I've seen how gentle they are.
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They are not threatening.
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These zookeepers should have been trained properly.
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They should know these gorillas.
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They should know better, and it is totally
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criminal on the zoo's part.
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They shouldn't be in zoos anyway, but it's
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common knowledge how gentle they actually are, and
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they should be prosecuted to the fullest.
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Absolutely.
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These beautiful animals are so close to us.
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They understand young children.
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They're not going to harm a young human
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child.
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Definitely not, and they should have known that.
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We've got so many callers lined up, but
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just to address quickly, did charges ever, whatever
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happened legally?
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Legally, the only response was the zoo was
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fined, and then they changed their fence.
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As a result, they raised it two inches
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approximately, and when we went back, we still
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saw children standing on the fence trying to
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crawl under it.
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Absolutely.
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It is in no way a safe barrier
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and in no way a good idea for
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this to be there, especially just to sell
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tickets for exhibition.
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We invite the zoo on any time to
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respond.
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Let's go to our next caller, Nilo Farr
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in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought for
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our incredible panel, the makers of Harambee.
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Hi.
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What strategies have you found effective in getting
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all people to engage with Harambee?
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In other words, how do we get a
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house filled with those who want to watch
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this film?
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Great question.
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Yeah.
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Send us an email at harambeemovie.com and
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let us know where you're located, and let's
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get a screening set up.
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It's a matter of spreading the word and
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just people coming together.
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Aside from this programme, we have found a
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very silence within the press, because a lot
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of times zoo money is borne into advertising
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money, fundraisers, all that stuff, so we really
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are relying on people all around the country
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that want to watch the movie, talk about
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the movie.
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We offer it for free here on Unchained
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TV.
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You can have a watch party, contact us.
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We'll come do a Q&A afterwards for
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free.
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We just want to talk about this topic
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because we want to stop the next Harambee
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from happening, and the only way we can
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do that is if we demand bigger changes
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from the zoo, not in security measures, but
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in keeping these animals in the wild, which
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I know we are on a time crunch,
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but at the same time, I also want
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to mention that every gorilla in a zoo
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is a nail in the coffin of our
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environment.
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They are very important.
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They're keystone species, and the longer they sit
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in zoos, the less they're doing their work
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for the biodiversity and for the planet, which
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we all rely on to survive.
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Our survival is wrapped in their survival, and
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their survival is wrapped in their freedom.
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We're in the world of species extinction right
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now.
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Let's go to the next caller, Christina in
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Los Angeles.
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Your question or thought for the makers of
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Harambee.
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Hi there.
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My question is, and I hope I didn't
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miss it.
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I just joined.
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So did any of the zookeepers or gorilla
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caretakers, did any one of them try to
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go into the area to save the kids?
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I mean, where are they?
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Great question.
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That is a great question.
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Yeah, where were they the whole time?
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Harambee was standing for at least five minutes
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next to the door that he usually comes
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in and out of waiting, just waiting for
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a keeper to come in and take over.
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He knew where his responsibility ended.
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Like I said, he walked over, climbed up
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13 feet to the top of the exhibit
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to return the child, and the zookeepers, we
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don't really know.
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The biggest problem is it seems to us
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that they went to violence right away.
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If you're not aware, or if you guys
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haven't seen the movie yet, there's this thing
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called the dart team, which is a team
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of zookeepers that are trained to lethally kill
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the animals if there is an unwanted human
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animal interaction.
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The problem we see is that they went
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right to the dart team as a measure
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because they were worried for the child's safety.
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It's very hard for us to, you know,
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Monday morning quarterback everyone's things there.
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The way we see it is it was
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a tragedy for everybody.
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We know whoever had to take that shot
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is probably still living with that decision in
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that moment today.
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It is another form of cruelty that is
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on everybody.
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It's crazy to think that people go spend
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all their time, money, and lives to become
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zookeepers only to potentially have to shoot the
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very animals they love.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, this is a bad setup for
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everyone because the premise is let's take animals
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from the wild or breed them in captivity
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and keep them in animal prisons.
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All right.
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We've got so many callers.
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This is touching a nerve.
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Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for the makers of Harambe.
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Hi, Jane.
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Thank you for taking my call.
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To be honest, I haven't seen the movie
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yet, so I will watch it on Unchained.
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Thank you both for making this movie.
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My question is how did you become interested
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in making this?
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What brought you to decide to make the
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film?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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That is a really great question, you know,
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because we have always been very focused on
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pollution, environmental rights, and animal rights as filmmakers
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and storytellers.
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We ended up meeting the man who took
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the viral image of Harambe, and he said,
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I want to do something positive with this
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that can help gorillas today.
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We thought, let's tell Harambe's true story, not
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just those last few moments that he's remembered
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for, but let's tell his whole life story
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so people can get a sense of what
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he's been through.
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That will give everybody an opportunity to reconsider
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the idea of gorillas in captivity.
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I agree, Jane, every animal should actually be
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out of captivity, but hopefully with an animal
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that shares 98% of our DNA, maybe
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people can relate and understand him and understand
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that we need to build these, you know,
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we already have understanding of how their minds
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work and how their logic works.
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They are sentient.
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And, you know, so when we found all
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of these things, and then we linked up
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with Born Free and learned about zookosis, which
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is absolutely a terrible, terrible psychological issue that
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occurs to animals that are forced to be
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in captivity or born in captivity.
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We all got to touch that with COVID
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and everybody got a little stir crazy.
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We decided we had a great opportunity to
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try to fight against the idea that captivity
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is essential and that it needs to be
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there for education because we know that there
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are so many more ways, and you're not
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even going to learn about the animals properly
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inside of the zoo.
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All right, Annie and Sherman Oaks, your question
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or thought?
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Hi.
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Yes.
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Thank you for having the show, Jane.
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And thank you for making this movie amazing.
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Thank you.
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This is long overdue.
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I still cry when I think of Harambee.
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I know the suffering they go through being
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locked up.
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During COVID, people that do not relate to
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animals in zoo and think that we're getting
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education.
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They need to remember during COVID how psychotic
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they went.
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These animals are innocent, being kidnapped, taken away
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and forced into being locked up.
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I want to know, is there any kind
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of way that we can have a class
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action lawsuit against all zoos because they're prison
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for every single being, not only Harambee, the
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innocent, beautiful, intelligent, going extinct species, but all
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animals?
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I love it.
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That's an excellent question.
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Is there a possibility of taking overall legal
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action?
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Because it's just like it's never just one
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factory farm doing the bad thing.
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It's all zoos.
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Eric?
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Yes.
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We have linked up with the non-human
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rights project, and they're actually working on, they
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tried to work on getting freedom for primates
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previously.
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Now they are fighting for elephants, which are
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other keystone sentient beings that are facing the
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same thing.
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They do try one by one.
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What we would love to see would be
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to not only have the captivity, but the
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ability to breed, just like with the recent
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Big Cat Safety Act, where they stopped breeding
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in roadside zoos.
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We have some friends that were instrumental in
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making that happen.
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We would love to see the same thing
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with major zoos and with breeding, especially if
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we can start with our endangered animals.
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We don't have enough for the world to
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operate right now.
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To have one that's just sitting there locked
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away and then executed is absolutely, it's against
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the idea of saving the animals.
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I think as a nation, as we continue
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to rethink our relationship to the world around
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us and the sentient animals, especially around us,
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and all nature around us, I think we're
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headed towards a movement where, you know, we're
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personally, we're vegan, and so we do always
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try to fight for all animal rights.
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And I think that as that also continues,
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we're finding this holistic movement where everybody says,
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I don't want to do this.
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And when people learn about zookosis, this is
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our biggest one we found so far.
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When people learn about zookosis, you can't unlearn
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it.
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And when you learn that they're being psychologically
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damaged by being in these exhibits that people
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think maybe you're okay for them, you start
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to rethink what's there.
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And I see a big change in our
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society, and I think there's a really strong
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possibility we can change this.
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Now, I urge everybody, watch Harambee.
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It's streaming for free.
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That's Unchained TV right behind me.
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On my Samsung TV, you can download it
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on Samsung TV, Amazon Fire Stick, Roku device,
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Apple TV device.
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You can watch Unchained TV on your phone.
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You can watch it online.
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Just go to unchainedtv.com and click streaming
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now.
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Boom.
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I want to ask you about zookosis in
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specific.
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But first, let me play a clip from
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your trailer that features prominent people speaking up
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about this entire issue of zookosis and saying
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essentially that zoos are animal prisons, and the
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animals inside them are experiencing severe psychological distress.
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We value our freedom.
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And we put these beautiful creatures who we
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say we want to look after and save
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in prison, because that is what zoos are.
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600 million zoo visits a year.
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We are fundamentally mis-educating people, misleading them
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about what these animals are, their role in
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the natural environment.
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All of that is effectively lost.
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They're not ornaments.
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Here's a complex autonomous being locked in a
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cage.
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This isn't acceptable.
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Once you engage with and contribute to selective
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compassion, you actually have gone on the journey
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of reducing your natural compassion.
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Zookosis, wild creatures kept in confinement, which they
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cannot really tolerate.
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It does drive them crazy.
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If you can't leave, you're in jail.
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The zoo is here.
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00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:23,520
And we can make an informed choice about
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whether we go and patronise and fund through
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00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,340
our buying a ticket or not.
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00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:34,840
The zoo just wants to forget about Harambe,
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00:23:34,980 --> 00:23:37,220
because their part of it was, you know,
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00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,520
the bad part of it.
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00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,800
And so it seems like I'm the only
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00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,720
one in Cincinnati fighting for Harambe's rights and
560
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,360
say, hey, you need to remember him.
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00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,720
He was a part of this city.
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And now you're acting like he's not.
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And that was one of the key players
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in your amazing film.
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00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,020
Peter Egan, the famous actor who you may
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00:23:57,020 --> 00:24:00,040
remember from Downton Abbey, is the narrator and
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plays himself in this film.
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So I personally will say that when I
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lived in New York City and I was
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00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:08,680
in Central Park and people would say, which
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00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,180
way is the zoo?
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I said, I'm not going to tell you
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because I don't believe that you should go
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to the zoo.
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I don't think it's healthy psychologically for your
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kids.
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When I was a kid, my father took
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me to the Central Park Zoo and I
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00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:22,880
would get depressed because I saw these animals
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and they were clearly miserable, clearly to a
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child.
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00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,960
It's funny how children can sometimes see what
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the adults repress to the point they can't
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see them.
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00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:38,060
So tell us about Zookosis.
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00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,380
This was, I mean, we didn't even know
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00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:44,000
about Zookosis when we started the movie.
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00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:46,780
So we learned along with the audience.
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First of all, it was understood by animal
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00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,360
behaviourists back in the 50s and 60s when
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they started to travel around and understand how
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animals behave differently in captivity than in nature.
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00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,960
There's a lot of great examples of that
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00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,620
that we have, especially in the movie, to
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talk about.
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But one thing that people need to remember
597
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,120
also is in 1973, the Endangered Species Act
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was passed, which meant that any animals that
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were left over from poaching could no longer
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00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:21,120
be imported into zoos.
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00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080
Since then, the zoos created a workaround to
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00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,420
breed different endangered animals and trade them for
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free amongst other zoos.
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00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:32,600
So you have babies that are being born
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to sell tickets.
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00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:34,680
Zoo babies are very popular.
607
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,180
These animals are never going to understand freedom,
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00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,660
but they're never going to forget what it
609
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:42,080
is either.
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00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:42,920
It's their instinct.
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00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:45,780
We've seen a lot of animals successfully rehabilitated
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00:25:45,780 --> 00:25:48,560
into the wild, whether it's through rewilding programmes,
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00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,040
even dolphin programmes.
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00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:53,940
They have gorilla programmes now.
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00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:58,760
And so Zookosis is this psychological effect where
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they're born into a world they don't understand
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00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,620
and are held captive.
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00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:04,560
So there's a lot of things that they
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00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,120
can no longer do in captivity that they
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00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:07,920
normally would do.
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One would be calling to other gorilla groups.
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00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:14,640
They're very communicative and they all speak to
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each other.
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00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:17,460
Without that communication, they start to lose their
625
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:19,020
sense of what's happening.
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00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,300
They're not allowed to climb trees.
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00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:23,360
One of the biggest things is gorillas climb
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00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:23,780
trees.
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They love being in trees.
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They eat from the trees.
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00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,660
They'll sleep in the trees.
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00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,960
And to this day, I've never seen a
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00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,900
gorilla be allowed in a tree in a
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00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:32,100
zoo.
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00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:36,640
So they take their natural habits, they transform
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00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,800
them into habits that'll be good for the
637
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080
viewer, the audience member, sit there on that
638
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,420
log.
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00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:45,940
And we learned about hot wires in zoos.
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00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:48,980
There's electric wires all over the place in
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00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:51,000
the greenery to keep the animals from eating
642
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,300
it.
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00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:53,380
I mean, can you imagine if really a
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00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:54,800
gorilla was acting the way they wanted to,
645
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,800
they'd be climbing the trees, eating all the
646
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,060
leaves.
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00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,700
And when you look at their exhibits, you'll
648
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,060
notice there's a lot of greenery.
649
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,140
It's not fake.
650
00:27:01,260 --> 00:27:03,720
It's just electrified to shock them.
651
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:06,480
So they don't know what's happening.
652
00:27:06,620 --> 00:27:08,200
They're now on a human schedule.
653
00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:09,940
They're going to eat at 8 a.m.,
654
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:11,700
have lunch at 4 p.m. That's extremely
655
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:12,240
unnatural.
656
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,380
And the diets that they're supposed to have,
657
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,980
they don't have, and they're supposed to change
658
00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:18,620
all the time.
659
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,740
So that creates a lot of heart issues
660
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:25,160
and a lot of the gorillas will die
661
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,600
earlier with heart disease and other issues as
662
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:28,760
well.
663
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,340
So zookosis is the psychological devastation to these
664
00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:33,820
animals.
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00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:35,460
And when you go to a zoo and
666
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:38,620
you see them just sitting there going that's
667
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:40,900
what's happening, they've shut down internally.
668
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,120
And as Peter says, you're not going to
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00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,160
learn anything from them because they're shut down
670
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,940
and they're closed off.
671
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:51,540
I'd also like to add that Ian Redmond,
672
00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:57,180
our biologist, mentions that the animals are bred
673
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:01,760
for different characteristics or traits.
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00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:05,260
So they will become more docile or they'll
675
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:07,540
do certain behaviours that the zoo likes.
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00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:13,300
So generations after generations, are you still looking
677
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:16,420
at a gorilla or any other animal that's
678
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:18,500
bred for certain traits?
679
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:22,380
Well, what struck me as I was researching
680
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:26,660
this is that gorillas are our closest relatives
681
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:28,620
in terms of our DNA.
682
00:28:29,100 --> 00:28:30,860
They're also the largest primates.
683
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,620
So they are really as close as we're
684
00:28:32,620 --> 00:28:38,840
going to get to our ancestors because we
685
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,200
stem from them.
686
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,440
And that is the real tragedy that we
687
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,620
are persecuting the very beings who are our
688
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:48,400
own ancestors.
689
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,820
Once again, you can watch Harambe for free
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on Unchained TV.
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I hope you do.
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Let's take a moment to learn a little
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more about Unchained TV.
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So it's a vegan Netflix.
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everybody.
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Unchained, baby, yeah.
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All right, now you and I have something
709
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:33,960
in common.
710
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:38,480
And this is the personality side, the backstory
711
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,960
of this incredible team.
712
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:44,280
Eric is a former paparazzi and he worked
713
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,960
at TMZ, of course, the very well-known
714
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,800
tabloid celebrity gossip site run by Harvey Levin.
715
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,920
I also worked for Harvey Levin as a
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00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,960
reporter on the precursor to TMZ, which was
717
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,140
called Celebrity Justice.
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00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,620
Interestingly enough, Harvey allowed me to do a
719
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:06,740
lot of animal rights stories.
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00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,620
I worked with PETA and other groups to
721
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:15,740
get stories about celebrities advocating for animals on,
722
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,760
and we won a couple of Genesis Awards.
723
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:22,180
So TMZ paparazzi turns environmental activists.
724
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Tell us your story.
725
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,200
This is one of the headlines that really
726
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,360
intrigued me.
727
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:30,800
I'm like, wow, we have so much in
728
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:31,060
common.
729
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,920
I was a crime reporter for many years,
730
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:38,200
decades, and yet my true passion was animal
731
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,560
rights and still is.
732
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,720
We have that in common.
733
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,080
It's funny that Harvey would be at one
734
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,060
of our intersections in time.
735
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,060
For me, I was there at the beginning
736
00:30:50,060 --> 00:30:54,300
of TMZ and my job was to work
737
00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:54,740
at the airport.
738
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:59,220
So I created that environment there on that
739
00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:00,020
television show.
740
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:05,040
What I learned was how to think quickly,
741
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,540
how to come up with good questions, and
742
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:09,540
how to get people to interact with you
743
00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:13,000
while you're changing your lenses, walking backwards, and
744
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,900
still getting a nice video or image.
745
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,840
So the training ground was incredible.
746
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,520
One day I thought to myself, I'm battling
747
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,220
cancer over and over, and what am I
748
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,400
doing with my life?
749
00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:27,540
I want to go do something that will
750
00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:28,140
have an impact.
751
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,820
So I wanted to take those skills that
752
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,380
I had learned at TMZ.
753
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:32,780
I had grown up in production, but this
754
00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:33,660
was a whole new world.
755
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:36,940
I wanted to take those skills and take
756
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:38,540
them to something that was important that could
757
00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:39,160
make a difference.
758
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,080
So for me, it was a big transition
759
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,380
to just say, you know what?
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00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:46,940
I'm going directly into conservation and see what
761
00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:48,280
I can do and see how I can
762
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,720
help out.
763
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,400
So it was a big motivator for me
764
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,700
to change over there.
765
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Plus, it was okay to not have celebrities
766
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,360
getting mad at us anymore.
767
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Oh, yeah.
768
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,840
I chased a few celebrities down the street
769
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,440
myself.
770
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:06,040
And I agree with you, and I also
771
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,060
relate to using the skills.
772
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,120
Because the one thing you learn when you
773
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,440
are reporting...
774
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,700
I used to have a morning meeting with
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00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,600
Harvey at 7 a.m. I had to
776
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,220
have three story ideas, and the story had
777
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:21,080
to be shot and edited by something like
778
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,160
11.30 in the morning.
779
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
I mean, we work super, super, super, super
780
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,680
fast.
781
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240
And we need to teach those skills to
782
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
animal rights activists so that they can get
783
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,560
things done quickly.
784
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,720
I don't think a lot of the folks
785
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,780
have any clue as to how fast we
786
00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:43,020
worked, because that deadline's breathing down our neck.
787
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,340
If you have to determine a story, shoot
788
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,460
it, write it, edit it, and have it
789
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,260
ready to go out before noon of the
790
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:54,340
same day, that is an incredible training.
791
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,160
And I try to use that myself.
792
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:01,020
What are your thoughts on that?
793
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,020
Exactly, exactly that.
794
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:06,460
The fact is, it was live television every
795
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:08,340
day, so we had to produce.
796
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:10,420
And the thing is, when you start to
797
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:12,420
look at any story, you can start to
798
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:14,080
find a unique angle, you can start to
799
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,040
find a unique way.
800
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,140
And the other thing was, I really learned
801
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:18,620
how to approach people that did not want
802
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:19,280
to talk to me.
803
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,940
Every now and then you get attacked, like
804
00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:23,760
where it happened to me a few times,
805
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,560
unfortunately, semi-high profile.
806
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,620
But for the most part, how do you
807
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,380
get somebody that normally wouldn't give you the
808
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:31,760
time of day to talk to you?
809
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,700
And that is one of the bigger things,
810
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:37,640
because as conservationists, environmentalists, vegans, we believe in
811
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,500
outreach and we believe in discussing things.
812
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,600
We want to bring, like we tried to
813
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600
get the zoo involved several times in this
814
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:43,900
movie.
815
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,040
They refused, refused, refused.
816
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,880
So we're always wanting to talk to the
817
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,580
other side, wanting to bring everybody in, because
818
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:55,000
until we get a big, inclusive discussion, the
819
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,440
solutions are going to be more challenging.
820
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,540
So I think that really made a big
821
00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:01,320
impact on how we wanted to do things.
822
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
We wanted to try to be inclusive, friendly
823
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,679
to everybody, and respectful to everybody that we
824
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,139
have involved in our conversations.
825
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,239
Yeah, and that was definitely something that it
826
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,540
taught me.
827
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,480
And as well as, yes, making sure that
828
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,420
we don't miss our deadlines.
829
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:18,360
Yeah, and we've got some good news here.
830
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:21,860
Nilo Farr says she's subscribed to Harambe, and
831
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:24,380
she's going to plan a screening in Dallas,
832
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:24,940
Texas.
833
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,420
And she would love the two of you
834
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,880
to be present for a Q&A session.
835
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:32,520
And remember, you can watch this on Unchained
836
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,380
TV, our free streaming network.
837
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:38,840
Just go to watchunchainedtv.com.
838
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,280
You can go to unchainedtv.com and just
839
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,719
click watch now, stream now, and boom, you
840
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,420
can watch it immediately.
841
00:34:50,219 --> 00:34:53,199
So I hope everybody takes advantage, because I
842
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,800
have to say, I also review a lot
843
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,840
of animal rights environmental films.
844
00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:01,460
And what I really love about your film
845
00:35:01,460 --> 00:35:03,440
is it doesn't come off as preachy.
846
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:05,940
It comes off as something that is like
847
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,040
literally a true crime movie, like, oh, my
848
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,880
God, it's shot and produced in an exciting
849
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,340
way.
850
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,400
And that's not to say it's exploitive.
851
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:19,480
It's telling Harambe's story in a way that's
852
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,640
going to get people to watch.
853
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,480
We have to get people in the tent
854
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,680
if we want them to watch.
855
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:26,820
And just playing sad music and preaching ain't
856
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:27,540
going to cut it.
857
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,460
Your thoughts?
858
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:32,200
So right, you know, Harambe's story is every
859
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,220
captive animal story, and especially for zoo animals.
860
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:43,100
It's really something we wanted to dive into
861
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,280
Harambe's story, but also show how it's connected
862
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,660
to every other zoo captive animal there is
863
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:49,080
out there.
864
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
And we wanted to change that, you know.
865
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:54,920
His death was, I don't want to say
866
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,380
by design, but it was something that they
867
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:58,000
had thought about.
868
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,800
It's their protocol when something like that happens.
869
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:03,340
And the next time it happens, it will
870
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:04,000
happen again.
871
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:07,140
And it's just really sad to see Harambe
872
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:10,880
was replaced by Fiona, a baby hippo.
873
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:13,760
And the sad, the really, the worst part
874
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,640
is that it could happen to Fiona, too.
875
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,980
So we want to make sure that that
876
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:19,440
doesn't happen.
877
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:21,900
We're waging war on wildlife.
878
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,620
Just today, I got a text that I
879
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:25,920
couldn't even believe it.
880
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,080
It was so disturbing.
881
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,880
I want to make sure I have it
882
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,260
right.
883
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,100
I just texted somebody to say, can we
884
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:33,820
stop this?
885
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,460
CNN says Zimbabwe is going to call, call
886
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:40,920
it what it is, kill, slaughter 200 elephants,
887
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,320
defeat citizens left hungry by drought.
888
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:46,760
This makes me insane.
889
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,180
Oh, there we go.
890
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,600
CNN.
891
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Now, when you click that, it plays.
892
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:54,240
Zimbabwe has authorised a mass slaughter of elephants
893
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,920
to feed citizens left hungry by the worst
894
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,460
drought.
895
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,180
Now, of course, I have tremendous compassion for
896
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:02,280
anybody experiencing hunger.
897
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,740
In fact, if you want to end hunger
898
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:08,200
worldwide, if we all transition to a plant
899
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,540
-based diet, we could take all the food,
900
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:13,460
which is a huge percentage of the food
901
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:16,440
produced globally, that is fed to farmed animals,
902
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,000
which is a very inefficient food source, and
903
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,980
transition that food directly to people.
904
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,740
We could end world hunger right now.
905
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:27,220
You know, people don't realise 85 percent of
906
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:30,060
the soybeans produced are fed to farmed animals.
907
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,840
A huge percentage of all commodity crops aren't
908
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,500
fed to people.
909
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,060
They're fed to farmed animals.
910
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:38,120
So if we reduce the number of farmed
911
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,660
animals that we are raising and killing, billions
912
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:44,480
and billions and billions of them every year,
913
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,840
who are not just miraculously coming onto this
914
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,100
planet, they are artificially inseminated by people, and
915
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,140
took that food and diverted it to people,
916
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,640
we could end world hunger.
917
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:58,500
We could live in a world of natural
918
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,800
abundance where food is a right and everybody
919
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,480
has whatever they need to eat.
920
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:08,520
Instead, in our sick, sick, sick human supremacist
921
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,780
mentality, we allow corporations to continue feeding all
922
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:19,720
this food to artificially produced animals and then
923
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,380
decide to kill elephants to feed people.
924
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,760
It's so sick.
925
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,880
It's so demented that I'm embarrassed to be
926
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,440
a member of the human race.
927
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,500
You know, that story really caught our attention
928
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,100
because, you know, we've just been working a
929
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:41,000
lot with elephants in Thailand, Africa, and a
930
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,900
couple other areas here in the States, also
931
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:43,340
in Canada.
932
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,640
And, you know, it's mismanagement leading to more
933
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,260
mismanagement.
934
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,620
But one thing we always find is poaching
935
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:53,640
itself is indicative of poverty.
936
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,580
And one way we can end poaching is
937
00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:59,600
to end world hunger and end that poverty
938
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,480
that creates the opportunity for exploitation for people
939
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,660
that are trying to just survive each day
940
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:10,180
from major companies, other corporations, poachers, syndicates, things
941
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:10,640
like that.
942
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:12,920
So one of the ways we need to
943
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,700
save the animals is to save the people.
944
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:16,520
And the best way I think that we
945
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,280
can do that is like you're saying, we
946
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,620
fully believe that Peter Egan always says, to
947
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:23,600
align our stomachs and our hearts together.
948
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Because, you know, we need to approach the
949
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,000
world with more love and empathy and compassion
950
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
in order to get more of it circulating
951
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
in order to save all the animals.
952
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:36,880
And, you know, not only the fact that
953
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160
elephant meat is, I mean, that's even a
954
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,920
terrible, terrible resource for them to give people.
955
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,100
That's the equivalent of them feeding people dolphin
956
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:47,400
and whale meat in Japan, as we learned
957
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,180
in the cove, is extremely dangerous and in
958
00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:54,480
no way beneficial to the people eating it
959
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,720
as well.
960
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:57,420
Is there anything, my understanding is you just
961
00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:00,220
got back from Africa, is there anything we
962
00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:01,680
can do to stop this?
963
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:06,220
I mean, I just, my mind is just
964
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:10,220
blown by the sheer stupidity of this decision
965
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:12,380
and that people are sort of accepting it.
966
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:13,820
Oh, this is what they're going to do.
967
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:14,940
Hell no.
968
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,420
I mean, do we need to go to
969
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:19,180
the Zimbabwe consulates and the Zimbabwe embassy and
970
00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:19,740
have protests?
971
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,320
What can we do right now to contact
972
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,780
hunger organisations and say, don't let this happen.
973
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Send food.
974
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:32,020
Send food there that people can eat.
975
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:33,640
Exactly.
976
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,020
There are so many companies that can step
977
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:38,220
in right now that can be world food
978
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:40,240
banks, all types of groups that can come
979
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,640
in and help these people.
980
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680
I mean, I've never even heard of anybody
981
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,060
offering elephants as a meat source anywhere.
982
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:49,580
So the fact that that's not even outraging
983
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:52,660
people, it's, I mean, it's so out of
984
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:53,000
the ordinary.
985
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:54,540
I think what we need to do is
986
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:57,020
make sure for one, the story stays going.
987
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:58,840
You know, a lot of times in conservation,
988
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,060
we get shocked and we get upset and
989
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,740
we want to turn ourselves off, but we
990
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:04,440
have to remember that as bad as humans
991
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,580
are, we're also the solution.
992
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,260
So the kind ones of us need to
993
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:11,660
find solutions to fight against the ones that
994
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:12,660
are purely exploitative.
995
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:14,780
And I think, you know, we do need
996
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:16,540
to let Zimbabwe know this is a no
997
00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:16,700
-go.
998
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:18,300
You know, a lot of these countries are
999
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,340
based on tourism.
1000
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:20,980
We were just in Tanzania.
1001
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,780
They have an amazing programme to save their
1002
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:25,200
animals.
1003
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,700
You can't coach, you can't do any of
1004
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:27,860
that.
1005
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:29,940
Tanzania.
1006
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,780
They are completely on top of keeping all
1007
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:34,580
elephants wild.
1008
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,320
There are no captive elephants there.
1009
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,440
We're really amazed by.
1010
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,660
So, you know, these countries need to remember
1011
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:42,480
that if they're going to do this, they're
1012
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,720
going to have to pay the price.
1013
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:44,880
And I do think we should be out
1014
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,760
there, you know, mobilising and being in front
1015
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
of the Zimbabwe embassy, doing as many different
1016
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,040
ways to have our voices heard and to
1017
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,940
not let the story disappear.
1018
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,380
Where are you located right now?
1019
00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:59,760
Where are you right now?
1020
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:02,120
Right now we're in Florida and we'll be
1021
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,200
back in LA next week.
1022
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:06,460
So you might see us out in front
1023
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,200
of the embassy there.
1024
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Well, we should, I would be willing to
1025
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,740
organise a protest.
1026
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:11,540
We protest.
1027
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,620
I The Turkish consulate in LA, I should
1028
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:29,860
say, but there were also demonstrations at consulates
1029
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:32,560
and embassies around the world.
1030
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,900
We protested against Turkey's decision to try to
1031
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,920
kill all the stray dogs and cats.
1032
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:40,200
We did several demonstrations there.
1033
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:44,040
There's been demonstrations, I believe against the Denmark
1034
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,060
consulate here in Los Angeles for the apprehension
1035
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:54,520
of a Sea Shepherd captain, co-founder, Paul
1036
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Watson.
1037
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:58,720
So we could organise a very fast demonstration
1038
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,580
at the Zimbabwean consulate here in Los Angeles.
1039
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,320
I think it's something we should consider.
1040
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,180
These elephants cannot speak for themselves.
1041
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Elephants are endangered.
1042
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,940
We do stories all the time about the
1043
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:17,600
problems with elephants being under assault in India
1044
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,360
and Africa, you know, all over the place.
1045
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,400
And just to go out and proactively kill
1046
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
them is just completely insane.
1047
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:29,500
Let's talk about it.
1048
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960
I think we should organise a protest for
1049
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,300
what day of the week now people who
1050
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:35,980
are watching get to see how animal rights
1051
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:36,300
happens.
1052
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:38,160
What day of the week are you back
1053
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,740
from in LA?
1054
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,740
I'll be back around the 27th of September.
1055
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:47,000
So maybe we could do like any day
1056
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,120
after that, maybe next week, the week after
1057
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,760
would be great.
1058
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:52,160
Yeah.
1059
00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:53,220
Yeah.
1060
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,560
I mean, I think we might have to
1061
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,600
do something on my birthday, September 20th.
1062
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,920
Well, that's a Sunday, maybe Monday, September 30th.
1063
00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:02,340
If it's not too late.
1064
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,900
I don't know when they're going out to
1065
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:04,920
kill these animals.
1066
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,760
It's never too late.
1067
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:08,800
Well, it is.
1068
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,520
If they say they're going to kill them,
1069
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:12,800
I'd like to know when they're going to
1070
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,200
kill them.
1071
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:15,120
I mean, it's just insane.
1072
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,940
Our human supremacy is at the root of
1073
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:19,740
all of this.
1074
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,840
And, you know, is it changing?
1075
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,380
You're an observer of this scene.
1076
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,260
Is it getting any better or is it
1077
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:28,120
getting worse?
1078
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,000
You know, it's tough.
1079
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,340
You know, I am personally always optimistic about
1080
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,800
our ability to cause change.
1081
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:40,120
You know, when you look at stopping animal
1082
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,360
testing for cosmetics and the change over to
1083
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,820
that, although it has some issues, things can
1084
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:45,420
be changed.
1085
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:48,760
We do find more and more empathy growing
1086
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,200
further and further, especially as the vegan movement
1087
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,580
grows.
1088
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,020
People are a little bit less able to
1089
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:56,920
determine what they want to kill and what
1090
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,800
they want to love.
1091
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,920
And we need to love all of these
1092
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,700
animals and realise that, again, it's part of
1093
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:03,300
our biodiversity.
1094
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Our success as a species depends on them.
1095
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,640
And we're all interdependent.
1096
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:12,180
We do see around the world always a
1097
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:14,060
series of some of the bad guys, but
1098
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:16,880
we find so many local people picking up
1099
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
the torch and fighting back and saying, no
1100
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,240
longer, we're not going to do this anymore,
1101
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:23,680
especially in places like Thailand, where we just
1102
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,520
were, where it is thousands and thousands of
1103
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,880
years of cultural normalcy to own elephants.
1104
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,160
As a matter of fact, they're registered as
1105
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,640
motor vehicles in Thailand.
1106
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,760
But we have groups that are all for
1107
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,100
tourism.
1108
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,580
Now we have groups that are going in
1109
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:41,220
and they're unchaining them, which is why we
1110
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:45,860
love Unchain TV, because that is the best
1111
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:46,440
result.
1112
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:48,400
Unchain them, get them to a safe place.
1113
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,700
I think with the internet, we have a
1114
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,540
wider global community of activists and we have
1115
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:55,580
a lot more options now.
1116
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,300
And we just have to keep pushing and
1117
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,280
pushing and pushing and not maybe expect to
1118
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,220
see all the results we want in our
1119
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:03,400
lifetime, but to remember we can plant the
1120
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,180
tree and hopefully generations down can benefit animals
1121
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:07,680
and people.
1122
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,440
And you mentioned you were recently in Africa,
1123
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,900
I believe.
1124
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Tell us about your other work, your other
1125
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,760
films.
1126
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:19,940
Yeah, well, we saw a lot of wildlife
1127
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:23,440
in Tanzania and it was really, truly amazing
1128
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,980
and actually very inspirational.
1129
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:26,880
The way that they take care of their
1130
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520
animals is just incredible.
1131
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,400
I've never seen anywhere in the world, actually.
1132
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:36,220
And it's really incredible to see that.
1133
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,180
And we can't really talk too much about
1134
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:41,480
that project, just that's about it for that
1135
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,660
one.
1136
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,860
But we do have some more projects coming
1137
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,220
out.
1138
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,620
Well, we also, you know, one thing about
1139
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:48,900
interesting about Africa is we wanted to show
1140
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,900
nature from a different perspective and we wanted
1141
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,280
to see it from a bird's point of
1142
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,580
view because they are off the ground.
1143
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:58,160
And, you know, like when you get off
1144
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,840
land, sometimes you can see things better on
1145
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,080
land.
1146
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,320
So we went and actually followed a group
1147
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,200
of hang gliders that wanted to explore places
1148
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600
like the Serengeti and other areas to get
1149
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,960
an idea of what was happening biodiversity wise,
1150
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:12,220
natural wise, and to do it in a
1151
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:14,160
way that required no oil and gas.
1152
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,620
So it's a completely all natural way of
1153
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:18,260
travel.
1154
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:19,920
So that was really interesting for us.
1155
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:22,340
We normally stick to activist pieces.
1156
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:24,600
We actually just finished a movie on Cancer
1157
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,120
Alley, which is a place down in Louisiana
1158
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,760
between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
1159
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,980
It's an 85 mile stretch of the Mississippi
1160
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,840
River where it has 500 times minimum the
1161
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600
national average cancer exposure and risk.
1162
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,840
And it has over 200 petrochemical companies that
1163
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,760
are poisoning many communities that are dotted along
1164
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,160
the river.
1165
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,760
Us being a family that fights cancer a
1166
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120
lot with my cancer and Sierra having to
1167
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,720
go through multiple radiations with me, multiple medicines,
1168
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,320
surgeries, you know, we want to stop environmental
1169
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,840
pollution that's causing cancer, especially for younger people.
1170
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,180
And we're learning that the cancer rates are
1171
00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:07,500
skyrocketing right now due to environmental cancers.
1172
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:08,860
I have an environmental cancer.
1173
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:12,620
So we're very passionate about stories that attack
1174
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:15,940
the polluters that are attacking our environment.
1175
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:17,700
And the same with the people, the poachers
1176
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,760
that are attacking the animals that are also
1177
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,640
destroying the environment.
1178
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,860
So I got to ask you, I am
1179
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:28,180
really blown away by how much you're doing.
1180
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:31,020
How do you fund this?
1181
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,300
You were a paparazzi.
1182
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,020
I mean, I'm sure you made some good
1183
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:36,400
money, but not to fund all of this,
1184
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:37,600
the travel, et cetera.
1185
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,400
How are you doing it?
1186
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,700
And also how do you manage to stay
1187
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,700
so prolific and so upbeat in the face
1188
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:47,460
of all this?
1189
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,160
Well, you know, I have to, I have
1190
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,060
to thank my cancer for staying upbeat because
1191
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:55,260
I was diagnosed 2005.
1192
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,600
I've had an environmental cancer.
1193
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:57,820
I've been battling it ever since.
1194
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,540
I've had over 13 surgeries.
1195
00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:02,060
I've been through chemo multiple times.
1196
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,220
I've been through radiation on different areas multiple
1197
00:49:04,220 --> 00:49:04,640
times.
1198
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:06,200
I actually have a tumour right now in
1199
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,560
my neck that October 1st, we'll have a
1200
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,180
doctor's appointment to determine what kind of surgery
1201
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:13,760
we can do.
1202
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:18,120
But cancer taught me that every day really
1203
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,520
matters.
1204
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,020
And your frame of mind really matters because
1205
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:22,700
you always hit a point where you either
1206
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:24,360
have to throw it all away or pick
1207
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,260
it all up when you have cancer.
1208
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:28,440
I always say that it's either a death
1209
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,280
sentence or a life sentence.
1210
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:32,360
And if you're lucky enough to get a
1211
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,140
life sentence, I believe you really need to
1212
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:35,960
take advantage of that.
1213
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,960
So that's what really motivated us to get
1214
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,960
out into the field.
1215
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,600
We have a bunch of projects as well
1216
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
that we finished shooting that we're editing right
1217
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:43,820
now.
1218
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,340
The challenge is funding.
1219
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:48,320
It's very hard to get funding, especially to
1220
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,260
talk about these topics.
1221
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,160
Sometimes we get people that are willing to
1222
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,380
step in and help us.
1223
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,180
Very often we'll have to go and work
1224
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:59,300
on projects, save up a little bit of
1225
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:02,980
money and go for unbelievably low budgets and
1226
00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:06,160
go live somewhere in rough conditions to just
1227
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:06,860
get the movie done.
1228
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:09,060
New Orleans, it took us about three or
1229
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:11,580
four trips because we couldn't afford to stay
1230
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:13,800
there to shoot as long as we could.
1231
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:16,500
So it's a challenge.
1232
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:18,360
But the thing is, it's important.
1233
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
It's the most important thing that we can
1234
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,380
do in our lifetime.
1235
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,340
So we don't let any constraints stop us.
1236
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:26,940
If we have $800 to make a movie,
1237
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,340
we'll figure out how to do that.
1238
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,600
And we'll beg, borrow.
1239
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,800
Let me say that Harambee is produced like
1240
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,260
it's a multi-million dollar production.
1241
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,100
And I think one of the reasons is
1242
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,340
that you have all the skills.
1243
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,900
So you don't have to hire an editor.
1244
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,080
You don't have to hire a cinematographer.
1245
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,420
And then going back again to your training
1246
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:53,460
as a paparazzi, you know how to grab
1247
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:53,900
things.
1248
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:55,980
You know how to get those dramatic moments.
1249
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,820
Because one of the things with paparazzi is
1250
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:59,080
every second counts.
1251
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,780
If you're too slow in taking your camera
1252
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,620
out, boom, it's gone.
1253
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,040
In fact, when I worked at Celebrity Justice,
1254
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,420
and this was before reporters started carrying around
1255
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:14,260
these things that just basically, we had cell
1256
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:15,920
phones, but people weren't using them the way
1257
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,880
they were using them today.
1258
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,820
And I got myself a camera and started
1259
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:21,220
recording things because by the time the cameraman
1260
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:23,740
got his camera out of the back of
1261
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:26,040
the truck, the person who we were trying
1262
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,700
to videotape was long gone.
1263
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,100
And I got some blowback as a reporter
1264
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,220
for doing that.
1265
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:34,620
People were basically saying I was trying to
1266
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:35,400
put somebody out of a job.
1267
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:38,520
No, I was just trying to capture the
1268
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:38,920
moment.
1269
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:43,720
But you have these priceless skills that allow
1270
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,600
you to do stuff that would normally require
1271
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,200
a large crew of people.
1272
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:51,340
So I am so impressed.
1273
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,200
I can't wait.
1274
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:53,520
First of all, I want to thank you
1275
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,300
for allowing us to stream Harambe, this incredible
1276
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,180
movie, on our streaming network, Unchained TV.
1277
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,800
And I'm urging everybody, watch it.
1278
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:08,540
That's Unchained TV behind me.
1279
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,460
And you can just literally find Harambe and
1280
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,580
click on it and watch it for free
1281
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:16,620
on your TV.
1282
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:20,660
We are on all streaming devices, Amazon Fire
1283
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:22,680
Stick, Roku device, Apple TV device.
1284
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,300
You just download it.
1285
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,960
You can also watch it on your phone
1286
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,040
if you want to, or you can watch
1287
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,200
it on a laptop.
1288
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,140
We do a free programming on Unchained TV.
1289
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:35,160
So wow.
1290
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,980
I am very, very inspired.
1291
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,720
And somebody else said that, that they are
1292
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:45,680
inspired by you because you're not just sitting
1293
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,780
there and complaining about the terrible conditions and
1294
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:50,260
the situation with animals.
1295
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:56,060
You are really taking action rapidly, constantly, like
1296
00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:58,760
you're on a breaking news story at all
1297
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,140
times.
1298
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:01,000
Is that just my imagination, Eric?
1299
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:03,980
That is how we do it.
1300
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:06,400
Because it is a breaking news story, right?
1301
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:07,620
Every second does count.
1302
00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:09,540
And we are just part of a very
1303
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,600
large army fighting for a better future.
1304
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,960
And we have found family everywhere.
1305
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:15,740
And we're so happy to be on Unchained
1306
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:17,840
because we have a place now where we
1307
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,320
can really connect with a larger community and
1308
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,260
family that is going to be here to
1309
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:25,040
talk about all of these topics as we
1310
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,660
move forward, because they're all interrelated.
1311
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,120
Yes.
1312
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,620
And just for the record, Unchained TV is
1313
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:34,000
expanding to fast channels, free ad supported television
1314
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,140
channels, where we can then reach other audiences.
1315
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:42,200
Because one of the reasons why I started
1316
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Unchained TV is I had gone to one
1317
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640
too many animal rights screenings where every single
1318
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,360
person in the room was already on board.
1319
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,680
And I thought, wow, we are in an
1320
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,000
echo chamber, in a bubble.
1321
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:57,860
This crucial information has to go out to
1322
00:53:57,860 --> 00:54:00,980
the general public, not just people who are
1323
00:54:00,980 --> 00:54:03,740
looking for it, but people who want free
1324
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:06,540
programming and they want something to watch.
1325
00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:07,880
And a lot of times people want to
1326
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:08,920
watch something educational.
1327
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:09,860
I know I do.
1328
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,020
Sure, there are times when I want to
1329
00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:16,600
watch basically just some Agatha Christie and unwind
1330
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,300
with some popcorn.
1331
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,200
But I also like to watch documentaries and
1332
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,640
learn something.
1333
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,080
So I'm so excited to be collaborating with
1334
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:25,320
you.
1335
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:26,820
You're my heroes.
1336
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Keep going, keep fighting the good fight.
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And I just was tickled that we had
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this backstory in common of both having been
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in the tabloid world and done our fair
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share of chasing celebrities and are now both
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using those skills to hopefully help animals.
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So I just want to thank you so
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much.
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And people are just sending well wishes, all
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the best for your health.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Eric is so inspiring and amazing.
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Thank you for all you do.
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You inspire us.
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So know you're inspiring a lot of people.
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Welcome to Unchained TV featuring best-selling author,
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TV journalist, and the founder of the Unchained
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Now here's your host, Jane Valez Mitchell.
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Welcome, let's go to May 28th, 2016, the
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zoo in Cincinnati, horror erupts, a child has
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somehow ended up in the zoo enclosure, and
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what happened next has become a movie that
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will rock your world.
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This image alone of Harambee has been shared
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28 billion times.
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His case went viral because they shot him
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dead.
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They shot this innocent being who was in
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captivity, not in the wild, dead because a
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child had fallen into his enclosure.
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Now I'm going to talk to the two
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extraordinary filmmakers who took a deep dive into
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this case to find out what really happened
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and also explore the horrors of animals in
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captivity and a syndrome called zookosis, which is
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the psychosis that animal prisoners inside zoos endure.
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This film has been hailed as the next
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Blackfish, and it is rocking the world of
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zoos, which in this film makes an argument
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are animal prisoners.
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Rest in peace, Harambee.
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Thank you so much for joining us, Eric
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Crown and Sierra Williams.
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And you just got back from Africa, where
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you were also trying to save animals.
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Let's just start with this extraordinary film you
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did, Harambee.
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Eric, if you had to do the 32nd
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elevator pitch to somebody, what would you say
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about the importance of your film?
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I would say that right now the most
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important thing we can do as a modern
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society is to re-examine the concept of
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captivity for entertainment and re-examine the idea
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of keeping sentient beings in these types of
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prisons.
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It's an outdated concept, and we need to
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look at it through modern eyes, modern understanding
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of animals, and modern sense of empathy that
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has grown and grown and grown, and we
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have seen an overwhelming amount of people that
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stand behind this idea.
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But I think captivity is outdated, cruel, and
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needs to be ended.
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And I'm very proud to say that Harambee
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is streaming for free on Unchained TV, which
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is our free streaming television network for animal
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rights and compassion to all animals and the
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plant-based lifestyle.
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So let's play a trailer, a snippet of
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a trailer of Harambee with sound so that
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you can experience truly the horror of that
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moment when this young boy fell into the
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enclosure, and then we're going to discuss it
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on the other side.
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Oh my god!
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A zoo under fire for shooting and killing
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an endangered gorilla instead of tranquillizing him.
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This whole tragedy was a misunderstanding.
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I don't know for sure if he was
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trying to protect him, but I know he
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wasn't trying to hurt him.
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It went viral.
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Everyone was talking about it.
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It was on every news channel.
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coming face to face with a gorilla.
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story that you hear about.
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I know about it because of what happened,
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and then it blew up into a meme,
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and it's unforgettable.
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He was known as Handsome Harambee.
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He was there, but he preferred to be
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out in the wild.
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I know that.
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but he would tell us, like, you know,
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there's a better place for me.
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gorilla world, which is the enclosure where these
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gorillas were kept.
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Harambee, who, according to published reports, was 440
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pounds.
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whole question that your film poses is, was
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he trying to hurt the boy, or was
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he trying to protect the boy?
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of the questions that we hear the most
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of.
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What happened next is very challenging because they
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whisked everybody away.
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No one was allowed to be in the
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area, so there's not a lot of video
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or imagery.
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When we asked for security tapes, even first
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responder cameras, we were denied, and we were
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also denied all information from the city when
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we made our FOIA request.
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What happens next is Harambee, so Harambee was
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on the opposite side of the exhibit as
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the exit door was located, where Harambee knew
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to go in and out of the door
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and to get food, and he was trained
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for that one particular door.
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enclosure.
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He kept to himself.
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He was not very happy.
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boy fell down, he, in many, I would
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say most guerrilla experts' opinions, was trying to
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return the boy to the parents.
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things, but what we do know is he
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was on the opposite side of the enclosure.
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guerrilla fashion, and then actually climbed up 13
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feet to the top of the exhibit and
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stood next to the door he usually comes
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in and out of, waiting for zookeepers, and
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he was killed with a single bullet, and
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his head exploded.
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the ammunition they used, so what everybody saw
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was a guerrilla and a child, and understandably,
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they were very frightened for the child's safety,
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but that fear created a series of chaos
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and confusion that led to his death, as
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opposed to an understanding of animal behaviour and
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an appreciation that, as Ian Redmond says in
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the movie, if he wanted to harm the
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boy, he could have in an instant, but
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he didn't.
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He brought the boy back to the actual
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exhibit door, and then he was killed.
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course, even the newscasters were asking, why didn't
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they use a tranquillizer gun?
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That is one of the key questions.
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We have some callers lining up, but can
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you answer that crucial question?
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Yes, actually, it's very important that they did
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not use a tranquillizer, because tranquillizers don't work
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the way people think of in movies.
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You don't fire a tranquillizer dart and somebody
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goes down.
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It actually puts a system into overdrive, which
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then shuts the system down.
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to become active inside, especially inside of a
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large guerrilla, so that may have agitated Harambe
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and may have led to a different outcome
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or a very dangerous outcome for the boy.
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to have seen a non-lethal ending to
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it, I don't believe the zookeepers necessarily had
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a choice with the way their programme runs,
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and that is exactly why we feel we
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should not have endangered animals in captivity anymore.
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I don't think we should have any animals
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in captivity, frankly.
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Let's go to the phone lines.
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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for the makers of Harambe.
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Yeah, thank you for having the show.
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I remember when this incident happened, and I
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was so angry, and I still am.
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This is so sad on so many levels,
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and it's something that should never have happened
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for the simple reasons that zoos should not
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exist.
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Plain and simple, they're prisons, but my question
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is why were the parents never charged with
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the crime, and for no other reason than
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endangering their child by not properly watching him
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and letting him enter the enclosure?
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Thank you.
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You know, Michael, that is a great question,
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and that is one of one of the
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biggest points that we do talk about, because
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when we talk about Harambe, people are very
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upset, because we all know that what happened
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to him was wrong.
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Now, what we uncovered while making the movie
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is that the zoo actually was not in
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compliance.
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Their fence was not proper size, and as
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a matter of fact, it was a little
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under three feet tall, and it was three
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simple wires that the kid climbed right under.
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as to what were the parents doing, but
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we posit a similar question in response, which
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is when you take your children to a
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zoo or a movie theatre, for example, someplace
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where there's a public place that is allowed
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to have children, you do expect a certain
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level of safety, and the zoo failed, and
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that's why the zoo was actually charged, penalised,
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and we spoke to some of the responding
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officers who didn't want to be in the
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movie, but they did an investigation and found
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no negligence on the mom's part, but what
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we did see at the end was a
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spin where everybody took their anger, and it
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went directly to the parents instead of the
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zoo who was legally responsible.
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In fact, this is the first time that
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a child is falling into a gorilla enclosure.
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This is the third time it's happened.
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It's true.
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Yeah, and you know, the thing that really
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just drives me crazy is that people always
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talk about zoos as educational for the children,
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for the children.
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This is the 21st century.
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I can swim with the dolphins with a
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headset.
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I can experience in a real world way
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what these animals are like with 21st century
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technology, 3D technology, virtual headsets, etc.
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We don't need to keep these animals in
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these prisons called zoos, and I invite the
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Cincinnati Zoo or any zoo on here on
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Unchained TV to debate me on that and
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dialogue with me.
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We've got so many callers.
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We're going to run through them.
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Karen in Venice, California, your question or thought.
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Okay, so I have been to Rwanda.
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I've been up close with gorillas.
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I've seen how gentle they are.
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They are not threatening.
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These zookeepers should have been trained properly.
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They should know these gorillas.
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They should know better, and it is totally
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criminal on the zoo's part.
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They shouldn't be in zoos anyway, but it's
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common knowledge how gentle they actually are, and
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they should be prosecuted to the fullest.
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Absolutely.
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These beautiful animals are so close to us.
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They understand young children.
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They're not going to harm a young human
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child.
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Definitely not, and they should have known that.
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We've got so many callers lined up, but
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just to address quickly, did charges ever, whatever
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happened legally?
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Legally, the only response was the zoo was
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fined, and then they changed their fence.
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As a result, they raised it two inches
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approximately, and when we went back, we still
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saw children standing on the fence trying to
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crawl under it.
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Absolutely.
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It is in no way a safe barrier
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and in no way a good idea for
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this to be there, especially just to sell
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tickets for exhibition.
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We invite the zoo on any time to
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respond.
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Let's go to our next caller, Nilo Farr
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in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought for
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our incredible panel, the makers of Harambee.
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Hi.
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What strategies have you found effective in getting
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all people to engage with Harambee?
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In other words, how do we get a
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house filled with those who want to watch
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this film?
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Great question.
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Yeah.
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Send us an email at harambeemovie.com and
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let us know where you're located, and let's
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get a screening set up.
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It's a matter of spreading the word and
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just people coming together.
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Aside from this programme, we have found a
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very silence within the press, because a lot
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of times zoo money is borne into advertising
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money, fundraisers, all that stuff, so we really
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are relying on people all around the country
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that want to watch the movie, talk about
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the movie.
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We offer it for free here on Unchained
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TV.
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You can have a watch party, contact us.
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We'll come do a Q&A afterwards for
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free.
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We just want to talk about this topic
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because we want to stop the next Harambee
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from happening, and the only way we can
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do that is if we demand bigger changes
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from the zoo, not in security measures, but
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in keeping these animals in the wild, which
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I know we are on a time crunch,
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but at the same time, I also want
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to mention that every gorilla in a zoo
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is a nail in the coffin of our
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environment.
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They are very important.
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They're keystone species, and the longer they sit
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in zoos, the less they're doing their work
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for the biodiversity and for the planet, which
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we all rely on to survive.
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Our survival is wrapped in their survival, and
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their survival is wrapped in their freedom.
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We're in the world of species extinction right
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now.
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Let's go to the next caller, Christina in
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Los Angeles.
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Your question or thought for the makers of
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Harambee.
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Hi there.
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My question is, and I hope I didn't
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miss it.
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I just joined.
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So did any of the zookeepers or gorilla
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caretakers, did any one of them try to
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go into the area to save the kids?
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I mean, where are they?
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Great question.
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That is a great question.
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Yeah, where were they the whole time?
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Harambee was standing for at least five minutes
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next to the door that he usually comes
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in and out of waiting, just waiting for
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a keeper to come in and take over.
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He knew where his responsibility ended.
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Like I said, he walked over, climbed up
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13 feet to the top of the exhibit
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to return the child, and the zookeepers, we
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don't really know.
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The biggest problem is it seems to us
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that they went to violence right away.
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If you're not aware, or if you guys
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haven't seen the movie yet, there's this thing
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called the dart team, which is a team
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of zookeepers that are trained to lethally kill
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the animals if there is an unwanted human
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animal interaction.
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The problem we see is that they went
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right to the dart team as a measure
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because they were worried for the child's safety.
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It's very hard for us to, you know,
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Monday morning quarterback everyone's things there.
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The way we see it is it was
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a tragedy for everybody.
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We know whoever had to take that shot
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is probably still living with that decision in
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that moment today.
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It is another form of cruelty that is
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on everybody.
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It's crazy to think that people go spend
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all their time, money, and lives to become
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zookeepers only to potentially have to shoot the
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very animals they love.
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Oh, yeah.
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I mean, this is a bad setup for
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everyone because the premise is let's take animals
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from the wild or breed them in captivity
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and keep them in animal prisons.
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All right.
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We've got so many callers.
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This is touching a nerve.
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Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for the makers of Harambe.
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Hi, Jane.
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Thank you for taking my call.
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To be honest, I haven't seen the movie
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yet, so I will watch it on Unchained.
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Thank you both for making this movie.
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My question is how did you become interested
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in making this?
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What brought you to decide to make the
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film?
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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That is a really great question, you know,
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because we have always been very focused on
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pollution, environmental rights, and animal rights as filmmakers
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and storytellers.
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We ended up meeting the man who took
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the viral image of Harambe, and he said,
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I want to do something positive with this
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that can help gorillas today.
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We thought, let's tell Harambe's true story, not
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just those last few moments that he's remembered
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for, but let's tell his whole life story
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so people can get a sense of what
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he's been through.
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That will give everybody an opportunity to reconsider
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the idea of gorillas in captivity.
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I agree, Jane, every animal should actually be
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out of captivity, but hopefully with an animal
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that shares 98% of our DNA, maybe
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people can relate and understand him and understand
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that we need to build these, you know,
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we already have understanding of how their minds
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work and how their logic works.
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They are sentient.
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And, you know, so when we found all
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of these things, and then we linked up
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with Born Free and learned about zookosis, which
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is absolutely a terrible, terrible psychological issue that
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occurs to animals that are forced to be
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in captivity or born in captivity.
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We all got to touch that with COVID
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and everybody got a little stir crazy.
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We decided we had a great opportunity to
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try to fight against the idea that captivity
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is essential and that it needs to be
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there for education because we know that there
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are so many more ways, and you're not
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even going to learn about the animals properly
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inside of the zoo.
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All right, Annie and Sherman Oaks, your question
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or thought?
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Hi.
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Yes.
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Thank you for having the show, Jane.
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And thank you for making this movie amazing.
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Thank you.
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This is long overdue.
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I still cry when I think of Harambee.
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I know the suffering they go through being
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locked up.
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During COVID, people that do not relate to
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animals in zoo and think that we're getting
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education.
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They need to remember during COVID how psychotic
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they went.
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These animals are innocent, being kidnapped, taken away
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and forced into being locked up.
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I want to know, is there any kind
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of way that we can have a class
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action lawsuit against all zoos because they're prison
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for every single being, not only Harambee, the
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innocent, beautiful, intelligent, going extinct species, but all
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animals?
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I love it.
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That's an excellent question.
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Is there a possibility of taking overall legal
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action?
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Because it's just like it's never just one
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factory farm doing the bad thing.
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It's all zoos.
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Eric?
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Yes.
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We have linked up with the non-human
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rights project, and they're actually working on, they
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tried to work on getting freedom for primates
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previously.
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Now they are fighting for elephants, which are
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other keystone sentient beings that are facing the
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same thing.
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They do try one by one.
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What we would love to see would be
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to not only have the captivity, but the
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ability to breed, just like with the recent
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Big Cat Safety Act, where they stopped breeding
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in roadside zoos.
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We have some friends that were instrumental in
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making that happen.
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We would love to see the same thing
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with major zoos and with breeding, especially if
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we can start with our endangered animals.
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We don't have enough for the world to
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operate right now.
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To have one that's just sitting there locked
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away and then executed is absolutely, it's against
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the idea of saving the animals.
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I think as a nation, as we continue
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to rethink our relationship to the world around
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us and the sentient animals, especially around us,
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and all nature around us, I think we're
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headed towards a movement where, you know, we're
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personally, we're vegan, and so we do always
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try to fight for all animal rights.
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And I think that as that also continues,
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we're finding this holistic movement where everybody says,
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I don't want to do this.
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And when people learn about zookosis, this is
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our biggest one we found so far.
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When people learn about zookosis, you can't unlearn
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it.
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And when you learn that they're being psychologically
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damaged by being in these exhibits that people
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think maybe you're okay for them, you start
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to rethink what's there.
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And I see a big change in our
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society, and I think there's a really strong
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possibility we can change this.
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Now, I urge everybody, watch Harambee.
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It's streaming for free.
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That's Unchained TV right behind me.
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On my Samsung TV, you can download it
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Just go to unchainedtv.com and click streaming
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Boom.
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I want to ask you about zookosis in
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specific.
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But first, let me play a clip from
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your trailer that features prominent people speaking up
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about this entire issue of zookosis and saying
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essentially that zoos are animal prisons, and the
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animals inside them are experiencing severe psychological distress.
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We value our freedom.
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And we put these beautiful creatures who we
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say we want to look after and save
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in prison, because that is what zoos are.
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600 million zoo visits a year.
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We are fundamentally mis-educating people, misleading them
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about what these animals are, their role in
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the natural environment.
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All of that is effectively lost.
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They're not ornaments.
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Here's a complex autonomous being locked in a
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cage.
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This isn't acceptable.
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Once you engage with and contribute to selective
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compassion, you actually have gone on the journey
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of reducing your natural compassion.
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Zookosis, wild creatures kept in confinement, which they
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cannot really tolerate.
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It does drive them crazy.
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If you can't leave, you're in jail.
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The zoo is here.
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And we can make an informed choice about
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whether we go and patronise and fund through
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our buying a ticket or not.
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The zoo just wants to forget about Harambe,
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because their part of it was, you know,
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the bad part of it.
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And so it seems like I'm the only
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one in Cincinnati fighting for Harambe's rights and
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say, hey, you need to remember him.
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He was a part of this city.
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And now you're acting like he's not.
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And that was one of the key players
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in your amazing film.
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Peter Egan, the famous actor who you may
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remember from Downton Abbey, is the narrator and
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plays himself in this film.
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So I personally will say that when I
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lived in New York City and I was
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in Central Park and people would say, which
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way is the zoo?
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I said, I'm not going to tell you
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because I don't believe that you should go
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to the zoo.
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I don't think it's healthy psychologically for your
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kids.
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When I was a kid, my father took
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me to the Central Park Zoo and I
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would get depressed because I saw these animals
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and they were clearly miserable, clearly to a
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child.
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It's funny how children can sometimes see what
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the adults repress to the point they can't
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see them.
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So tell us about Zookosis.
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This was, I mean, we didn't even know
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about Zookosis when we started the movie.
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So we learned along with the audience.
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First of all, it was understood by animal
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behaviourists back in the 50s and 60s when
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they started to travel around and understand how
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animals behave differently in captivity than in nature.
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There's a lot of great examples of that
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that we have, especially in the movie, to
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talk about.
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But one thing that people need to remember
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also is in 1973, the Endangered Species Act
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was passed, which meant that any animals that
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were left over from poaching could no longer
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be imported into zoos.
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Since then, the zoos created a workaround to
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breed different endangered animals and trade them for
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free amongst other zoos.
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So you have babies that are being born
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to sell tickets.
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Zoo babies are very popular.
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These animals are never going to understand freedom,
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but they're never going to forget what it
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is either.
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It's their instinct.
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We've seen a lot of animals successfully rehabilitated
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into the wild, whether it's through rewilding programmes,
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even dolphin programmes.
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They have gorilla programmes now.
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And so Zookosis is this psychological effect where
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they're born into a world they don't understand
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and are held captive.
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So there's a lot of things that they
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can no longer do in captivity that they
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normally would do.
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One would be calling to other gorilla groups.
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They're very communicative and they all speak to
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each other.
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Without that communication, they start to lose their
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sense of what's happening.
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They're not allowed to climb trees.
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One of the biggest things is gorillas climb
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trees.
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They love being in trees.
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They eat from the trees.
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They'll sleep in the trees.
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And to this day, I've never seen a
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gorilla be allowed in a tree in a
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zoo.
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So they take their natural habits, they transform
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them into habits that'll be good for the
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viewer, the audience member, sit there on that
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log.
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And we learned about hot wires in zoos.
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There's electric wires all over the place in
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the greenery to keep the animals from eating
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it.
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I mean, can you imagine if really a
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gorilla was acting the way they wanted to,
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they'd be climbing the trees, eating all the
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leaves.
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And when you look at their exhibits, you'll
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notice there's a lot of greenery.
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It's not fake.
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It's just electrified to shock them.
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So they don't know what's happening.
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They're now on a human schedule.
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They're going to eat at 8 a.m.,
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have lunch at 4 p.m. That's extremely
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unnatural.
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And the diets that they're supposed to have,
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they don't have, and they're supposed to change
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all the time.
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So that creates a lot of heart issues
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and a lot of the gorillas will die
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earlier with heart disease and other issues as
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well.
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So zookosis is the psychological devastation to these
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animals.
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And when you go to a zoo and
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you see them just sitting there going that's
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what's happening, they've shut down internally.
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And as Peter says, you're not going to
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learn anything from them because they're shut down
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and they're closed off.
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I'd also like to add that Ian Redmond,
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our biologist, mentions that the animals are bred
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for different characteristics or traits.
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So they will become more docile or they'll
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do certain behaviours that the zoo likes.
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So generations after generations, are you still looking
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at a gorilla or any other animal that's
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bred for certain traits?
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Well, what struck me as I was researching
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this is that gorillas are our closest relatives
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in terms of our DNA.
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They're also the largest primates.
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So they are really as close as we're
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going to get to our ancestors because we
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stem from them.
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And that is the real tragedy that we
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are persecuting the very beings who are our
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own ancestors.
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Once again, you can watch Harambe for free
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I hope you do.
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Let's take a moment to learn a little
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more about Unchained TV.
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So it's a vegan Netflix.
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All right, now you and I have something
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in common.
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And this is the personality side, the backstory
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of this incredible team.
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Eric is a former paparazzi and he worked
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at TMZ, of course, the very well-known
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tabloid celebrity gossip site run by Harvey Levin.
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I also worked for Harvey Levin as a
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reporter on the precursor to TMZ, which was
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called Celebrity Justice.
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Interestingly enough, Harvey allowed me to do a
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lot of animal rights stories.
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I worked with PETA and other groups to
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get stories about celebrities advocating for animals on,
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and we won a couple of Genesis Awards.
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So TMZ paparazzi turns environmental activists.
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Tell us your story.
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This is one of the headlines that really
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intrigued me.
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I'm like, wow, we have so much in
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common.
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I was a crime reporter for many years,
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decades, and yet my true passion was animal
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rights and still is.
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We have that in common.
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It's funny that Harvey would be at one
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of our intersections in time.
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For me, I was there at the beginning
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of TMZ and my job was to work
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at the airport.
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So I created that environment there on that
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00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:00,020
television show.
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What I learned was how to think quickly,
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00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,540
how to come up with good questions, and
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how to get people to interact with you
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while you're changing your lenses, walking backwards, and
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00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,900
still getting a nice video or image.
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00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,840
So the training ground was incredible.
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00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,520
One day I thought to myself, I'm battling
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00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,220
cancer over and over, and what am I
748
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,400
doing with my life?
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I want to go do something that will
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have an impact.
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00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,820
So I wanted to take those skills that
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00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,380
I had learned at TMZ.
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00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:32,780
I had grown up in production, but this
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00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:33,660
was a whole new world.
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00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:36,940
I wanted to take those skills and take
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00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:38,540
them to something that was important that could
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00:31:38,540 --> 00:31:39,160
make a difference.
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00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,080
So for me, it was a big transition
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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,380
to just say, you know what?
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I'm going directly into conservation and see what
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00:31:46,940 --> 00:31:48,280
I can do and see how I can
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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,720
help out.
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00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:51,400
So it was a big motivator for me
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to change over there.
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00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Plus, it was okay to not have celebrities
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00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,360
getting mad at us anymore.
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00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Oh, yeah.
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00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,840
I chased a few celebrities down the street
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myself.
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00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:06,040
And I agree with you, and I also
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00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,060
relate to using the skills.
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Because the one thing you learn when you
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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,440
are reporting...
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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,700
I used to have a morning meeting with
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Harvey at 7 a.m. I had to
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00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,220
have three story ideas, and the story had
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to be shot and edited by something like
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11.30 in the morning.
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00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
I mean, we work super, super, super, super
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00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,680
fast.
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00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,240
And we need to teach those skills to
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00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
animal rights activists so that they can get
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00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:33,560
things done quickly.
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00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,720
I don't think a lot of the folks
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00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,780
have any clue as to how fast we
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00:32:38,780 --> 00:32:43,020
worked, because that deadline's breathing down our neck.
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If you have to determine a story, shoot
788
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:48,460
it, write it, edit it, and have it
789
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:51,260
ready to go out before noon of the
790
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:54,340
same day, that is an incredible training.
791
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,160
And I try to use that myself.
792
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:01,020
What are your thoughts on that?
793
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:04,020
Exactly, exactly that.
794
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:06,460
The fact is, it was live television every
795
00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:08,340
day, so we had to produce.
796
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:10,420
And the thing is, when you start to
797
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:12,420
look at any story, you can start to
798
00:33:12,420 --> 00:33:14,080
find a unique angle, you can start to
799
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,040
find a unique way.
800
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,140
And the other thing was, I really learned
801
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:18,620
how to approach people that did not want
802
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:19,280
to talk to me.
803
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,940
Every now and then you get attacked, like
804
00:33:21,940 --> 00:33:23,760
where it happened to me a few times,
805
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,560
unfortunately, semi-high profile.
806
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,620
But for the most part, how do you
807
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:30,380
get somebody that normally wouldn't give you the
808
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:31,760
time of day to talk to you?
809
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,700
And that is one of the bigger things,
810
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:37,640
because as conservationists, environmentalists, vegans, we believe in
811
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,500
outreach and we believe in discussing things.
812
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:41,600
We want to bring, like we tried to
813
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600
get the zoo involved several times in this
814
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:43,900
movie.
815
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,040
They refused, refused, refused.
816
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,880
So we're always wanting to talk to the
817
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,580
other side, wanting to bring everybody in, because
818
00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:55,000
until we get a big, inclusive discussion, the
819
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,440
solutions are going to be more challenging.
820
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,540
So I think that really made a big
821
00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:01,320
impact on how we wanted to do things.
822
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,200
We wanted to try to be inclusive, friendly
823
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,679
to everybody, and respectful to everybody that we
824
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,139
have involved in our conversations.
825
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,239
Yeah, and that was definitely something that it
826
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,540
taught me.
827
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,480
And as well as, yes, making sure that
828
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:15,420
we don't miss our deadlines.
829
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:18,360
Yeah, and we've got some good news here.
830
00:34:18,460 --> 00:34:21,860
Nilo Farr says she's subscribed to Harambe, and
831
00:34:21,860 --> 00:34:24,380
she's going to plan a screening in Dallas,
832
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:24,940
Texas.
833
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,420
And she would love the two of you
834
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,880
to be present for a Q&A session.
835
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:32,520
And remember, you can watch this on Unchained
836
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,380
TV, our free streaming network.
837
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:38,840
Just go to watchunchainedtv.com.
838
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,280
You can go to unchainedtv.com and just
839
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,719
click watch now, stream now, and boom, you
840
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,420
can watch it immediately.
841
00:34:50,219 --> 00:34:53,199
So I hope everybody takes advantage, because I
842
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,800
have to say, I also review a lot
843
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,840
of animal rights environmental films.
844
00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:01,460
And what I really love about your film
845
00:35:01,460 --> 00:35:03,440
is it doesn't come off as preachy.
846
00:35:03,540 --> 00:35:05,940
It comes off as something that is like
847
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,040
literally a true crime movie, like, oh, my
848
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,880
God, it's shot and produced in an exciting
849
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,340
way.
850
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,400
And that's not to say it's exploitive.
851
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:19,480
It's telling Harambe's story in a way that's
852
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,640
going to get people to watch.
853
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,480
We have to get people in the tent
854
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,680
if we want them to watch.
855
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:26,820
And just playing sad music and preaching ain't
856
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:27,540
going to cut it.
857
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,460
Your thoughts?
858
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:32,200
So right, you know, Harambe's story is every
859
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,220
captive animal story, and especially for zoo animals.
860
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:43,100
It's really something we wanted to dive into
861
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,280
Harambe's story, but also show how it's connected
862
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,660
to every other zoo captive animal there is
863
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:49,080
out there.
864
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,120
And we wanted to change that, you know.
865
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:54,920
His death was, I don't want to say
866
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,380
by design, but it was something that they
867
00:35:57,380 --> 00:35:58,000
had thought about.
868
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,800
It's their protocol when something like that happens.
869
00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:03,340
And the next time it happens, it will
870
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:04,000
happen again.
871
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:07,140
And it's just really sad to see Harambe
872
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:10,880
was replaced by Fiona, a baby hippo.
873
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:13,760
And the sad, the really, the worst part
874
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,640
is that it could happen to Fiona, too.
875
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,980
So we want to make sure that that
876
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:19,440
doesn't happen.
877
00:36:19,580 --> 00:36:21,900
We're waging war on wildlife.
878
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,620
Just today, I got a text that I
879
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:25,920
couldn't even believe it.
880
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,080
It was so disturbing.
881
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,880
I want to make sure I have it
882
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:29,260
right.
883
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:33,100
I just texted somebody to say, can we
884
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:33,820
stop this?
885
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,460
CNN says Zimbabwe is going to call, call
886
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:40,920
it what it is, kill, slaughter 200 elephants,
887
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,320
defeat citizens left hungry by drought.
888
00:36:44,540 --> 00:36:46,760
This makes me insane.
889
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,180
Oh, there we go.
890
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:48,600
CNN.
891
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,560
Now, when you click that, it plays.
892
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:54,240
Zimbabwe has authorised a mass slaughter of elephants
893
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,920
to feed citizens left hungry by the worst
894
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,460
drought.
895
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,180
Now, of course, I have tremendous compassion for
896
00:37:01,180 --> 00:37:02,280
anybody experiencing hunger.
897
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,740
In fact, if you want to end hunger
898
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:08,200
worldwide, if we all transition to a plant
899
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,540
-based diet, we could take all the food,
900
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:13,460
which is a huge percentage of the food
901
00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:16,440
produced globally, that is fed to farmed animals,
902
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,000
which is a very inefficient food source, and
903
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,980
transition that food directly to people.
904
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,740
We could end world hunger right now.
905
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:27,220
You know, people don't realise 85 percent of
906
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:30,060
the soybeans produced are fed to farmed animals.
907
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,840
A huge percentage of all commodity crops aren't
908
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:33,500
fed to people.
909
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,060
They're fed to farmed animals.
910
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:38,120
So if we reduce the number of farmed
911
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,660
animals that we are raising and killing, billions
912
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:44,480
and billions and billions of them every year,
913
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,840
who are not just miraculously coming onto this
914
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,100
planet, they are artificially inseminated by people, and
915
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:55,140
took that food and diverted it to people,
916
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,640
we could end world hunger.
917
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:58,500
We could live in a world of natural
918
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:00,800
abundance where food is a right and everybody
919
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,480
has whatever they need to eat.
920
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:08,520
Instead, in our sick, sick, sick human supremacist
921
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,780
mentality, we allow corporations to continue feeding all
922
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:19,720
this food to artificially produced animals and then
923
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,380
decide to kill elephants to feed people.
924
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,760
It's so sick.
925
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,880
It's so demented that I'm embarrassed to be
926
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,440
a member of the human race.
927
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,500
You know, that story really caught our attention
928
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:37,100
because, you know, we've just been working a
929
00:38:37,100 --> 00:38:41,000
lot with elephants in Thailand, Africa, and a
930
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,900
couple other areas here in the States, also
931
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:43,340
in Canada.
932
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,640
And, you know, it's mismanagement leading to more
933
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,260
mismanagement.
934
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,620
But one thing we always find is poaching
935
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:53,640
itself is indicative of poverty.
936
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,580
And one way we can end poaching is
937
00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:59,600
to end world hunger and end that poverty
938
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,480
that creates the opportunity for exploitation for people
939
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,660
that are trying to just survive each day
940
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:10,180
from major companies, other corporations, poachers, syndicates, things
941
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:10,640
like that.
942
00:39:11,180 --> 00:39:12,920
So one of the ways we need to
943
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,700
save the animals is to save the people.
944
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:16,520
And the best way I think that we
945
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,280
can do that is like you're saying, we
946
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,620
fully believe that Peter Egan always says, to
947
00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:23,600
align our stomachs and our hearts together.
948
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Because, you know, we need to approach the
949
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,000
world with more love and empathy and compassion
950
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
in order to get more of it circulating
951
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,040
in order to save all the animals.
952
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:36,880
And, you know, not only the fact that
953
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160
elephant meat is, I mean, that's even a
954
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,920
terrible, terrible resource for them to give people.
955
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,100
That's the equivalent of them feeding people dolphin
956
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:47,400
and whale meat in Japan, as we learned
957
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,180
in the cove, is extremely dangerous and in
958
00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:54,480
no way beneficial to the people eating it
959
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,720
as well.
960
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:57,420
Is there anything, my understanding is you just
961
00:39:57,420 --> 00:40:00,220
got back from Africa, is there anything we
962
00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:01,680
can do to stop this?
963
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:06,220
I mean, I just, my mind is just
964
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:10,220
blown by the sheer stupidity of this decision
965
00:40:10,220 --> 00:40:12,380
and that people are sort of accepting it.
966
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:13,820
Oh, this is what they're going to do.
967
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:14,940
Hell no.
968
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,420
I mean, do we need to go to
969
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:19,180
the Zimbabwe consulates and the Zimbabwe embassy and
970
00:40:19,180 --> 00:40:19,740
have protests?
971
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,320
What can we do right now to contact
972
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,780
hunger organisations and say, don't let this happen.
973
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Send food.
974
00:40:28,220 --> 00:40:32,020
Send food there that people can eat.
975
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:33,640
Exactly.
976
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,020
There are so many companies that can step
977
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:38,220
in right now that can be world food
978
00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:40,240
banks, all types of groups that can come
979
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,640
in and help these people.
980
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,680
I mean, I've never even heard of anybody
981
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,060
offering elephants as a meat source anywhere.
982
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:49,580
So the fact that that's not even outraging
983
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:52,660
people, it's, I mean, it's so out of
984
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:53,000
the ordinary.
985
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:54,540
I think what we need to do is
986
00:40:54,540 --> 00:40:57,020
make sure for one, the story stays going.
987
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:58,840
You know, a lot of times in conservation,
988
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,060
we get shocked and we get upset and
989
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,740
we want to turn ourselves off, but we
990
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:04,440
have to remember that as bad as humans
991
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,580
are, we're also the solution.
992
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,260
So the kind ones of us need to
993
00:41:09,260 --> 00:41:11,660
find solutions to fight against the ones that
994
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:12,660
are purely exploitative.
995
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:14,780
And I think, you know, we do need
996
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:16,540
to let Zimbabwe know this is a no
997
00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:16,700
-go.
998
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:18,300
You know, a lot of these countries are
999
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,340
based on tourism.
1000
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:20,980
We were just in Tanzania.
1001
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,780
They have an amazing programme to save their
1002
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:25,200
animals.
1003
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,700
You can't coach, you can't do any of
1004
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:27,860
that.
1005
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:29,940
Tanzania.
1006
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,780
They are completely on top of keeping all
1007
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:34,580
elephants wild.
1008
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,320
There are no captive elephants there.
1009
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,440
We're really amazed by.
1010
00:41:38,500 --> 00:41:40,660
So, you know, these countries need to remember
1011
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:42,480
that if they're going to do this, they're
1012
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,720
going to have to pay the price.
1013
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:44,880
And I do think we should be out
1014
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,760
there, you know, mobilising and being in front
1015
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
of the Zimbabwe embassy, doing as many different
1016
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,040
ways to have our voices heard and to
1017
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,940
not let the story disappear.
1018
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,380
Where are you located right now?
1019
00:41:58,660 --> 00:41:59,760
Where are you right now?
1020
00:42:00,140 --> 00:42:02,120
Right now we're in Florida and we'll be
1021
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,200
back in LA next week.
1022
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:06,460
So you might see us out in front
1023
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,200
of the embassy there.
1024
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Well, we should, I would be willing to
1025
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,740
organise a protest.
1026
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:11,540
We protest.
1027
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,620
I The Turkish consulate in LA, I should
1028
00:42:26,620 --> 00:42:29,860
say, but there were also demonstrations at consulates
1029
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:32,560
and embassies around the world.
1030
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,900
We protested against Turkey's decision to try to
1031
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:37,920
kill all the stray dogs and cats.
1032
00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:40,200
We did several demonstrations there.
1033
00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:44,040
There's been demonstrations, I believe against the Denmark
1034
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,060
consulate here in Los Angeles for the apprehension
1035
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:54,520
of a Sea Shepherd captain, co-founder, Paul
1036
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Watson.
1037
00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:58,720
So we could organise a very fast demonstration
1038
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,580
at the Zimbabwean consulate here in Los Angeles.
1039
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,320
I think it's something we should consider.
1040
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,180
These elephants cannot speak for themselves.
1041
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,080
Elephants are endangered.
1042
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,940
We do stories all the time about the
1043
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:17,600
problems with elephants being under assault in India
1044
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,360
and Africa, you know, all over the place.
1045
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,400
And just to go out and proactively kill
1046
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
them is just completely insane.
1047
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:29,500
Let's talk about it.
1048
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960
I think we should organise a protest for
1049
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,300
what day of the week now people who
1050
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:35,980
are watching get to see how animal rights
1051
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:36,300
happens.
1052
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:38,160
What day of the week are you back
1053
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,740
from in LA?
1054
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,740
I'll be back around the 27th of September.
1055
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:47,000
So maybe we could do like any day
1056
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,120
after that, maybe next week, the week after
1057
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:50,760
would be great.
1058
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:52,160
Yeah.
1059
00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:53,220
Yeah.
1060
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:55,560
I mean, I think we might have to
1061
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,600
do something on my birthday, September 20th.
1062
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,920
Well, that's a Sunday, maybe Monday, September 30th.
1063
00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:02,340
If it's not too late.
1064
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,900
I don't know when they're going out to
1065
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:04,920
kill these animals.
1066
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:06,760
It's never too late.
1067
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:08,800
Well, it is.
1068
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,520
If they say they're going to kill them,
1069
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:12,800
I'd like to know when they're going to
1070
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,200
kill them.
1071
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:15,120
I mean, it's just insane.
1072
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,940
Our human supremacy is at the root of
1073
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:19,740
all of this.
1074
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,840
And, you know, is it changing?
1075
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,380
You're an observer of this scene.
1076
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,260
Is it getting any better or is it
1077
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:28,120
getting worse?
1078
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,000
You know, it's tough.
1079
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,340
You know, I am personally always optimistic about
1080
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:37,800
our ability to cause change.
1081
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:40,120
You know, when you look at stopping animal
1082
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,360
testing for cosmetics and the change over to
1083
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,820
that, although it has some issues, things can
1084
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:45,420
be changed.
1085
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:48,760
We do find more and more empathy growing
1086
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,200
further and further, especially as the vegan movement
1087
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,580
grows.
1088
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,020
People are a little bit less able to
1089
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:56,920
determine what they want to kill and what
1090
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:57,800
they want to love.
1091
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,920
And we need to love all of these
1092
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,700
animals and realise that, again, it's part of
1093
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:03,300
our biodiversity.
1094
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,080
Our success as a species depends on them.
1095
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,640
And we're all interdependent.
1096
00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:12,180
We do see around the world always a
1097
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:14,060
series of some of the bad guys, but
1098
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:16,880
we find so many local people picking up
1099
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,800
the torch and fighting back and saying, no
1100
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,240
longer, we're not going to do this anymore,
1101
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:23,680
especially in places like Thailand, where we just
1102
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,520
were, where it is thousands and thousands of
1103
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,880
years of cultural normalcy to own elephants.
1104
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,160
As a matter of fact, they're registered as
1105
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,640
motor vehicles in Thailand.
1106
00:45:35,100 --> 00:45:36,760
But we have groups that are all for
1107
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:37,100
tourism.
1108
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,580
Now we have groups that are going in
1109
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:41,220
and they're unchaining them, which is why we
1110
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:45,860
love Unchain TV, because that is the best
1111
00:45:45,860 --> 00:45:46,440
result.
1112
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:48,400
Unchain them, get them to a safe place.
1113
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,700
I think with the internet, we have a
1114
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,540
wider global community of activists and we have
1115
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:55,580
a lot more options now.
1116
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,300
And we just have to keep pushing and
1117
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,280
pushing and pushing and not maybe expect to
1118
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,220
see all the results we want in our
1119
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:03,400
lifetime, but to remember we can plant the
1120
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,180
tree and hopefully generations down can benefit animals
1121
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:07,680
and people.
1122
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,440
And you mentioned you were recently in Africa,
1123
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,900
I believe.
1124
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,200
Tell us about your other work, your other
1125
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,760
films.
1126
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:19,940
Yeah, well, we saw a lot of wildlife
1127
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:23,440
in Tanzania and it was really, truly amazing
1128
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,980
and actually very inspirational.
1129
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:26,880
The way that they take care of their
1130
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520
animals is just incredible.
1131
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,400
I've never seen anywhere in the world, actually.
1132
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:36,220
And it's really incredible to see that.
1133
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,180
And we can't really talk too much about
1134
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:41,480
that project, just that's about it for that
1135
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,660
one.
1136
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,860
But we do have some more projects coming
1137
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,220
out.
1138
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,620
Well, we also, you know, one thing about
1139
00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:48,900
interesting about Africa is we wanted to show
1140
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,900
nature from a different perspective and we wanted
1141
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,280
to see it from a bird's point of
1142
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,580
view because they are off the ground.
1143
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:58,160
And, you know, like when you get off
1144
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,840
land, sometimes you can see things better on
1145
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:00,080
land.
1146
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,320
So we went and actually followed a group
1147
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,200
of hang gliders that wanted to explore places
1148
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,600
like the Serengeti and other areas to get
1149
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,960
an idea of what was happening biodiversity wise,
1150
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:12,220
natural wise, and to do it in a
1151
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:14,160
way that required no oil and gas.
1152
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,620
So it's a completely all natural way of
1153
00:47:17,620 --> 00:47:18,260
travel.
1154
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:19,920
So that was really interesting for us.
1155
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:22,340
We normally stick to activist pieces.
1156
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:24,600
We actually just finished a movie on Cancer
1157
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,120
Alley, which is a place down in Louisiana
1158
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,760
between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
1159
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,980
It's an 85 mile stretch of the Mississippi
1160
00:47:30,980 --> 00:47:34,840
River where it has 500 times minimum the
1161
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600
national average cancer exposure and risk.
1162
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,840
And it has over 200 petrochemical companies that
1163
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,760
are poisoning many communities that are dotted along
1164
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,160
the river.
1165
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,760
Us being a family that fights cancer a
1166
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120
lot with my cancer and Sierra having to
1167
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,720
go through multiple radiations with me, multiple medicines,
1168
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,320
surgeries, you know, we want to stop environmental
1169
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,840
pollution that's causing cancer, especially for younger people.
1170
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,180
And we're learning that the cancer rates are
1171
00:48:05,180 --> 00:48:07,500
skyrocketing right now due to environmental cancers.
1172
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:08,860
I have an environmental cancer.
1173
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:12,620
So we're very passionate about stories that attack
1174
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:15,940
the polluters that are attacking our environment.
1175
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:17,700
And the same with the people, the poachers
1176
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,760
that are attacking the animals that are also
1177
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,640
destroying the environment.
1178
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,860
So I got to ask you, I am
1179
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:28,180
really blown away by how much you're doing.
1180
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:31,020
How do you fund this?
1181
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,300
You were a paparazzi.
1182
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,020
I mean, I'm sure you made some good
1183
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:36,400
money, but not to fund all of this,
1184
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:37,600
the travel, et cetera.
1185
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,400
How are you doing it?
1186
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,700
And also how do you manage to stay
1187
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,700
so prolific and so upbeat in the face
1188
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:47,460
of all this?
1189
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:50,160
Well, you know, I have to, I have
1190
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,060
to thank my cancer for staying upbeat because
1191
00:48:53,060 --> 00:48:55,260
I was diagnosed 2005.
1192
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,600
I've had an environmental cancer.
1193
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:57,820
I've been battling it ever since.
1194
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,540
I've had over 13 surgeries.
1195
00:48:59,740 --> 00:49:02,060
I've been through chemo multiple times.
1196
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,220
I've been through radiation on different areas multiple
1197
00:49:04,220 --> 00:49:04,640
times.
1198
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:06,200
I actually have a tumour right now in
1199
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,560
my neck that October 1st, we'll have a
1200
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,180
doctor's appointment to determine what kind of surgery
1201
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:13,760
we can do.
1202
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:18,120
But cancer taught me that every day really
1203
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:18,520
matters.
1204
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,020
And your frame of mind really matters because
1205
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:22,700
you always hit a point where you either
1206
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:24,360
have to throw it all away or pick
1207
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,260
it all up when you have cancer.
1208
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:28,440
I always say that it's either a death
1209
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,280
sentence or a life sentence.
1210
00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:32,360
And if you're lucky enough to get a
1211
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,140
life sentence, I believe you really need to
1212
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:35,960
take advantage of that.
1213
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,960
So that's what really motivated us to get
1214
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,960
out into the field.
1215
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,600
We have a bunch of projects as well
1216
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,520
that we finished shooting that we're editing right
1217
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:43,820
now.
1218
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,340
The challenge is funding.
1219
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:48,320
It's very hard to get funding, especially to
1220
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,260
talk about these topics.
1221
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,160
Sometimes we get people that are willing to
1222
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,380
step in and help us.
1223
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,180
Very often we'll have to go and work
1224
00:49:57,180 --> 00:49:59,300
on projects, save up a little bit of
1225
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:02,980
money and go for unbelievably low budgets and
1226
00:50:02,980 --> 00:50:06,160
go live somewhere in rough conditions to just
1227
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:06,860
get the movie done.
1228
00:50:06,940 --> 00:50:09,060
New Orleans, it took us about three or
1229
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:11,580
four trips because we couldn't afford to stay
1230
00:50:11,580 --> 00:50:13,800
there to shoot as long as we could.
1231
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:16,500
So it's a challenge.
1232
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:18,360
But the thing is, it's important.
1233
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
It's the most important thing that we can
1234
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:21,380
do in our lifetime.
1235
00:50:21,700 --> 00:50:24,340
So we don't let any constraints stop us.
1236
00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:26,940
If we have $800 to make a movie,
1237
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,340
we'll figure out how to do that.
1238
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,600
And we'll beg, borrow.
1239
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,800
Let me say that Harambee is produced like
1240
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,260
it's a multi-million dollar production.
1241
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,100
And I think one of the reasons is
1242
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,340
that you have all the skills.
1243
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,900
So you don't have to hire an editor.
1244
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,080
You don't have to hire a cinematographer.
1245
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:50,420
And then going back again to your training
1246
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:53,460
as a paparazzi, you know how to grab
1247
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:53,900
things.
1248
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:55,980
You know how to get those dramatic moments.
1249
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,820
Because one of the things with paparazzi is
1250
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:59,080
every second counts.
1251
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,780
If you're too slow in taking your camera
1252
00:51:01,780 --> 00:51:03,620
out, boom, it's gone.
1253
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,040
In fact, when I worked at Celebrity Justice,
1254
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,420
and this was before reporters started carrying around
1255
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:14,260
these things that just basically, we had cell
1256
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:15,920
phones, but people weren't using them the way
1257
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:16,880
they were using them today.
1258
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:18,820
And I got myself a camera and started
1259
00:51:18,820 --> 00:51:21,220
recording things because by the time the cameraman
1260
00:51:21,220 --> 00:51:23,740
got his camera out of the back of
1261
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:26,040
the truck, the person who we were trying
1262
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,700
to videotape was long gone.
1263
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,100
And I got some blowback as a reporter
1264
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:31,220
for doing that.
1265
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:34,620
People were basically saying I was trying to
1266
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:35,400
put somebody out of a job.
1267
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:38,520
No, I was just trying to capture the
1268
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:38,920
moment.
1269
00:51:39,380 --> 00:51:43,720
But you have these priceless skills that allow
1270
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,600
you to do stuff that would normally require
1271
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,200
a large crew of people.
1272
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:51,340
So I am so impressed.
1273
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,200
I can't wait.
1274
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:53,520
First of all, I want to thank you
1275
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,300
for allowing us to stream Harambe, this incredible
1276
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:02,180
movie, on our streaming network, Unchained TV.
1277
00:52:02,820 --> 00:52:05,800
And I'm urging everybody, watch it.
1278
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:08,540
That's Unchained TV behind me.
1279
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,460
And you can just literally find Harambe and
1280
00:52:13,460 --> 00:52:15,580
click on it and watch it for free
1281
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:16,620
on your TV.
1282
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:20,660
We are on all streaming devices, Amazon Fire
1283
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:22,680
Stick, Roku device, Apple TV device.
1284
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,300
You just download it.
1285
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,960
You can also watch it on your phone
1286
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,040
if you want to, or you can watch
1287
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,200
it on a laptop.
1288
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,140
We do a free programming on Unchained TV.
1289
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:35,160
So wow.
1290
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,980
I am very, very inspired.
1291
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,720
And somebody else said that, that they are
1292
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:45,680
inspired by you because you're not just sitting
1293
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,780
there and complaining about the terrible conditions and
1294
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:50,260
the situation with animals.
1295
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:56,060
You are really taking action rapidly, constantly, like
1296
00:52:56,060 --> 00:52:58,760
you're on a breaking news story at all
1297
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,140
times.
1298
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:01,000
Is that just my imagination, Eric?
1299
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:03,980
That is how we do it.
1300
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:06,400
Because it is a breaking news story, right?
1301
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:07,620
Every second does count.
1302
00:53:07,780 --> 00:53:09,540
And we are just part of a very
1303
00:53:09,540 --> 00:53:11,600
large army fighting for a better future.
1304
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:13,960
And we have found family everywhere.
1305
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:15,740
And we're so happy to be on Unchained
1306
00:53:15,740 --> 00:53:17,840
because we have a place now where we
1307
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,320
can really connect with a larger community and
1308
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,260
family that is going to be here to
1309
00:53:23,260 --> 00:53:25,040
talk about all of these topics as we
1310
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,660
move forward, because they're all interrelated.
1311
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,120
Yes.
1312
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,620
And just for the record, Unchained TV is
1313
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:34,000
expanding to fast channels, free ad supported television
1314
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,140
channels, where we can then reach other audiences.
1315
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:42,200
Because one of the reasons why I started
1316
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,640
Unchained TV is I had gone to one
1317
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,640
too many animal rights screenings where every single
1318
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,360
person in the room was already on board.
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And I thought, wow, we are in an
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echo chamber, in a bubble.
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This crucial information has to go out to
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the general public, not just people who are
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looking for it, but people who want free
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programming and they want something to watch.
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And a lot of times people want to
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watch something educational.
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I know I do.
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Sure, there are times when I want to
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watch basically just some Agatha Christie and unwind
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with some popcorn.
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But I also like to watch documentaries and
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learn something.
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So I'm so excited to be collaborating with
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you.
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You're my heroes.
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Keep going, keep fighting the good fight.
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And I just was tickled that we had
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this backstory in common of both having been
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in the tabloid world and done our fair
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share of chasing celebrities and are now both
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using those skills to hopefully help animals.
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So I just want to thank you so
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much.
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And people are just sending well wishes, all
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the best for your health.
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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Eric is so inspiring and amazing.
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Thank you for all you do.
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You inspire us.
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So know you're inspiring a lot of people.
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And again, everybody out there, you know, check
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out Unchained TV.
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