April 3, 2024
UnchainedTV: Why Animal Rising Is Making Global Headlines!
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Animal Rising has made global headlines with its risk-taking actions including: sending hundreds of protesters to disrupt England's most famous horse race, rescuing lambs from the estate of the King of England and occupying massive dairy factories. Their mission is to reinvent humanity's broken relationship with animals by getting people to understand that it is morally wrong to use, abuse and kill animals for food, fashion, entertainment or experimentation. Often wearing matching pink sweatshirts, Animal Rising members risk arrest and even their lives to confront, in a nonviolent way, people who are participating in animal exploitation. In this interview, UnchainedTV's Jane Velez-Mitchell talks to Animal Rising Co-Director Ben Newman and Animal Rising associate Rose Patterson. To learn more and to get involved, visit: https://www.animalrising.org/
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Jane Velez Mitchell.
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We've got breaking news to bring you.
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You are looking at and hearing headlines that
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are all across the United States today.
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You've got the largest US egg producer in
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the United States, okay, with bird flu.
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Bird flu at a Texas plant.
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The largest US egg producer detects bird flu.
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Bird flu has been detected at the largest
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chicken egg manufacturer in the United States.
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And then you have another headline, dairy cattle
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in Texas and Kansas test positive for bird
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flu.
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And if that were not shocking and upsetting
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enough, check out this news release from the
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Centres for Disease Control.
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That's right, our US government, highly pathogenic avian
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influenza A, H5N1 virus.
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Infection reported in a person in the United
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States.
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Adding CDC's risk assessment for the general public
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remains low.
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That is breaking news to bring you.
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And I can tell you right now that
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there is an organisation called Animal Rising that
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is taking to the streets to try to
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wake people up.
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Hey, we're in a crisis.
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We're in an environmental crisis.
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We're in health crisis.
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We've got the avian flu.
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We just got through COVID.
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We need to change our relationship with animals.
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And so you'd think the public would say,
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yay, wow, what a great idea because we're
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in crisis.
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But no, what happens is there is really
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an effort to suppress the message.
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And also, even as the US government itself
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says that this is a very serious issue,
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actually arrest, arrest the people who are spreading
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this message.
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I wanna bring in some incredible activists.
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Wow, Rose, let me start with you.
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Tell us what your message is, not just
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to the people of England, but also to
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the people of the United States and your
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global message.
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Yeah, hey, Jane, thanks for having us on
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here, by the way.
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And I guess it's Animal Rising, or it
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originally formed as Animal Rebellion four years ago.
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And I guess our message is that we
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need to transition to a plant-based food
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system and have a mass rewilding programme to
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end the animal and climate emergency.
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And so, yeah, we do this through a
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variety of ways.
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We use, I mean, we're best known for
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our direct action, which you had a lot
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of images there of the direct action campaigns
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that we do.
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And we also have other campaigns targeted at
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many transition or institutional change, like the Plant
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-Based Universities Campaign, Plant-Based Councils.
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And we're also trying to build bridges and
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start dialogue with farmers as well.
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So we also have a Vegan Support the
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Farmers Campaign too.
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You're doing so much.
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And I have to say, you guys have
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guts because a lot of what you do,
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it scares me.
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Like, would I be willing to glue my
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hands to a fence?
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Would I be willing to climb over a
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fence?
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And one of your most famous campaigns that
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got global media attention, wow.
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Let's play it and talk with Ben on
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the other side because this disruption of England's
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arguably most famous horse race made global news.
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We made front page news 12 times in
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2023.
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Are you going to try and stop the
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most famous race in the world?
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Is that your plan?
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We were on the front page of the
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Daily Mail with our plans to target the
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Grand National before we even publicly launched the
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new Animal Rising.
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A vegan mob is plotting to sabotage the
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Grand National.
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It set the stage for a battle against
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the multi-billion pound industry.
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We're trying to protect those horses.
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I believe that the reason why we're doing
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it is what's most important.
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And the plan was simple.
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Ordinary people putting their bodies on the line
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to try and save the lives of animals
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dying on racetracks across the UK.
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So what the hell happened to the animals
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in our country?
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This day, I think, is going to be
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overshadowed by the protests.
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But it was bigger than that.
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This was not just about horses and dogs
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suffering and dying in the racing industry.
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This was about repairing our relationship with all
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animals.
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It raises a big question about not only
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how we treat horses, but how we treat
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animals in general.
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We're not asking for smaller jumps on racetracks
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or bigger cages for farmed animals.
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We need to repair our relationship to animals.
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From one of use and abuse to one
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where we prioritise their freedom and well-being.
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As Sir David Attenborough acknowledged just this month,
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we urgently need to transition to an animal
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-free, plant-based food system.
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For them and for the sake of all
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life on this planet.
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Ben Newman, couldn't have said it better myself.
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Wow, we need to transition to a new
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relationship with animals.
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Tell us how Animal Rising is doing that
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and where did you come from?
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Like you have just burst on the scene.
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Yeah, so we renamed from Animal Rebellion to
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Animal Rising last year with the launch of
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the Grand National.
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And one of the things we're doing, what
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we're doing to get the job done is
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these massive press-grabbing campaigns like the Grand
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National.
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And that really was, I was watching that
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video.
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It's reminding me what a crazy, crazy day
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that was.
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But yeah, that was the number one news
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story in the UK for 36 hours.
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We had 60 live interviews in like two
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or three days.
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Basically had a team of people doing interviews.
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Yeah, a thousand print press.
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And yeah, we ended up with the Grand
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National.
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Although horse racing isn't our focus, we were,
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I suppose, using the platform to talk about
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all animals.
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The Grand National ended up changing the rules
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for the following year.
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And yeah, and I guess there was 118
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arrests at the Grand National.
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It was pretty wild.
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And we were on the front page.
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Two weeks before it started, we had a
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Daily Mail journalist.
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So the Daily Mail was one of the
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main, I suppose, right-wing papers in the
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UK come to one of our trainings.
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It infiltrated it.
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It was on the front page of the
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Mail on Sunday, the UK's biggest newspaper, two
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weeks before it happened.
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And then somehow, well, through a lot of
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hard work, we still ended up doing it.
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Well, that's amazing.
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And you mentioned a lot of arrests.
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There was also accusations of excessive force by
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the police.
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Let's listen and discuss on the other side.
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There seemed to be a general lack of
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care across the entire police force.
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He just poleaxed me, flattened me to the
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ground, hit me on this side, and that
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fractured my collarbone.
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There was no warning given at all by
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the police officer.
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They didn't care.
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They didn't care what my condition was.
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I was grabbed from behind by a security
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guard who put their arm around my neck
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and choked me unconscious.
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I was screaming in pain and telling them
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that my hands were glued together and to
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the jump.
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But one officer was just encouraging the others
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to keep on pulling.
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I was sprayed by an officer in the
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eyes with pepper spray.
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The police officer covered me so tight that
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I couldn't feel my arms or my hands.
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And I told him that I felt like
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he was breaking my wrists.
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He called me a little prick and told
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me that it was my fault and I
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deserved this pain.
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I was tackled by a police officer and
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another individual and another police officer in front
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of the fence struck my hands.
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One police officer was pulling me by my
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hair and shouting that I was a prick
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and that I needed to walk.
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I'd only just regained consciousness.
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One of my teammates on the other side
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was being viciously attacked by a security dog.
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He desperately asked the security guard to remove
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the dog.
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He watched the dog viciously attack my friend
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and take a chunk out of his leg.
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Wow, brave people.
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Now, correct me if I'm wrong, approximately 300
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people jumped over fences or attempted to scale
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the walls and the fences and the barricades
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to get to the horse racetrack.
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And then about 118 people were arrested.
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You just saw some of them.
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Were either of you there and what was
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your experience like trying to wake the world
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up?
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I mean, PETA points out that, you know,
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thousands, tens of thousands of horses that are
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deemed, you know, not quite ready for the
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track or sent to slaughter.
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Here in the United States, they get sent
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to Canada and Mexico.
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Thoroughbreds who have served us and won races
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end up getting sent to slaughter in Japan.
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It's not just the horses who die right
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on the track.
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It's the entire system that breeding for perfection
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leads these discards to hideous lives at best
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and terrible deaths.
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What was your experience there trying to wake
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people up, Rose, if indeed you were there?
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Yeah, so, well, yeah, just to clarify, it
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was about 118 people attempting to get onto
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the track.
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So everyone was arrested that attempted to get
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on.
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It wasn't quite 300.
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It would have been nice to have that
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many people.
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And actually on the day, the story was
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a little bit different for me.
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And as you saw from the footage, how
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seriously the police took this action, it was
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actually shocking how far they went to protect
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the event.
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And yeah, they were using helicopters, drones, quad
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bikes.
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They were like, I'm not sure how many.
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I know there were definitely hundreds of police.
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I'm not sure exactly how many.
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But yeah, it was definitely overreaching from the
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police.
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And the way they treated individuals was horrific.
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But actually that morning, I was on my
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way to my friend's wedding on a train.
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I'd been near the area the day before
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and was getting a train from the North
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of UK to the South basically.
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And police actually caught me on the train.
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They tracked me down to try to prevent
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the protest from going ahead as they knew
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that I was involved in organising of it.
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And, or they thought so anyway.
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And yeah, so they actually arrested me on
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a train whilst I was on my way
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to my friend's wedding, unfortunately.
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So I missed the wedding and the action
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still went ahead.
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Yeah, even though I was arrested.
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And then you were there, right?
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And you were arrested and you actually ended
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up being convicted, but you got a suspended
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sentence, right?
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Yeah, well, this was, well, actually on the
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Grand National.
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So I got a suspended sentence later for
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running on Epsom Racecourse.
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But on the Grand National, I was one
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of the people who made it onto the
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track.
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Yeah, and I was quite an experience running
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down the middle of the Grand National at
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exactly five o'clock when it was supposed
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to have started.
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But I'll just add on the response.
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They actually used facial recognition.
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I think for the first time that they'd
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rolled it out en masse to protesters around
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the country.
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So they'd been tracking various people from Animal
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Rising facial recognition around the UK.
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So, or at least that's what we think.
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And so that's like an ongoing thing.
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So it was quite dystopian.
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I wanna jump in because we've got a
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bunch of callers and say, people, we're so
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thrilled that Animal Rising now has a channel
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on Unchained TV.
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There is Unchained TV right behind me.
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It's a couple of seconds delay.
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You can download Unchained TV on any phone
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anywhere in the world, except China and North
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Korea is my understanding.
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And you can also watch it on any
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Samsung TV.
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That's a Samsung TV I have there.
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As well as any TV using an Amazon
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Fire Stick, a Roku device or an Apple
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TV device.
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So we're excited that all the exciting videos
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that Animal Rising has put together are quite
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a few of them are streaming on Unchained
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TV.
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You can watch and absorb.
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These people are risking their lives to get
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these videos together.
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So download, please download the app.
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We're gonna go to the phone lines now.
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Wow, we're lining up.
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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Animal Rising.
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Oh, thanks for taking my call.
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I really love your bold actions.
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And I thank you for that.
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My question is of all the different campaigns
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that you guys have been involved with, what
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would you say is the greatest victory as
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a result of your actions so far?
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Thank you.
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Keep up the good work.
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Thank you.
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Rose.
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Yeah, that's a really difficult question.
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I think in terms of, I mean, yeah,
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one of our main objective is to reach
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the public and to start this like national
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conversation about the way we're treating animals.
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And I think the Grand National Action was
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the one that, yeah, achieved that basically.
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We reached, I think it was 50%
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of the British public saw the action, correct
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me if I'm wrong, Ben.
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But yeah, it was like a huge percentage
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of the British public saw that action that
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day, which is amazing.
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And yeah, we spoke about how much press
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we got in 12 front pages last year
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as well, mostly because of that action.
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So yeah, in my opinion, I think that
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one in terms of reaching people, I think
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that was the most successful.
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And congrats to you.
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It's a shame that people have to risk
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injury, death and arrest in order to get
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mainstream media coverage, which is why we started
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Unshamed TV after 38 years in the mainstream
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media business.
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I can tell you, I've been behind the
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curtain and you know who runs media?
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The advertisers, fast food and pharmaceuticals.
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So no wonder they're not covering this or
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not covering it fairly.
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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas, your question or
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thought for Animal Rising.
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Hi, watching the few moments of police brutality
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was just stunning to me.
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And I'm thinking, is this the United Kingdom?
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I honestly couldn't fathom it.
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My question is, yeah, so this was a
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direct action event at the horse racing and
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118 arrests.
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We saw the police brutality.
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What are the conditions in the UK prisons
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for animal activists?
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In the US, it is absolutely degrading, unhealthy
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and unsafe as documented by Wayne Chung recently.
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And there you see Wayne Chung.
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Thank you for that great question on the
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screen.
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And he is the leader of the Open
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Rescue Movement.
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We're gonna talk about him in just a
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second.
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But Ben, what's it like?
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Is it tea and crumpets or is it
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pretty brutal?
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So I was in prison for a month
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last year.
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So both Rose and I have been arrested
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probably about 20 times.
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And so that's when you go to a
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police cell, which it's all right.
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It's sort of like going to a really
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boring, really shit hotel generally.
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Wait, most of the time that's it for
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protesters at least.
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Prison, you know, you are in, I was
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in Wandsworth Prison, which is a big old
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Victorian prison.
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You don't get out yourself.
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You only get out sometimes not at all.
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Sometimes for an hour.
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Sometimes if you're lucky for two, there is,
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you can eat vegan food.
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You choose your food, but you have to,
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sometimes it ends up being baked beans, rice
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and pasta.
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So it was all right.
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My temperament, I think, is okay for prison.
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I just did lots of press-ups, wrote
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journal and read books.
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But yeah, it's not tea and crumpets, no.
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Well, yeah, it's brutal.
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And having been a reporter who's gone into
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prisons numerous times to interview people, and also
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they made me do a series where I
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was arrested as a prisoner and put through
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the whole system and thrown in a jail
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cell.
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It's horrible.
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It's horrible.
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And that's what these folks are putting themselves
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through.
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To send a message to people that is
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an alarm bell about what's going on with
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our planet as a result of animal agriculture.
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And instead of getting applauded, they get a
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slap in the face.
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It's beyond comprehension to me.
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We've got to wake up people.
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It's like our house is on fire, as
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Greta Thunberg said.
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Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Animal Rising.
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Yes, thank you, Jane.
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And thank you both for risking your personal
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freedom and physical injuries.
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I don't know anything about the group and
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a friend described it as a cross between
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ALF and EXE.
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Can you tell me a little bit about
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your mission?
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Great question.
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You know, you guys are coming onto the
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US world stage, but you're obviously very famous
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in England.
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And there is a backstory there about, well,
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animal rebellion, extinction rebellion.
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What can you tell us?
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Yeah, so we formed in 2019.
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Yeah, as we said, we were called Animal
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Rebellion and we're kind of like a sister
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organisation to Extinction Rebellion, who are obviously very
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climate focused.
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And the original reason for Animal Rebellion to
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form was, it was actually supposed to be
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just a short term campaign to inject the
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need for like a plant-based food system
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into the climate messaging, because no one was
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talking about animal agriculture and its effect on
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climate change.
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So yeah, I was really excited when Extinction
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Rebellion started doing actions.
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But yeah, just really disappointed that they weren't
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talking about animal agriculture.
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Yeah, that's when Dan Kidby, who's still with
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us, one of the co-founders plus other
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people, formed Animal Rebellion.
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And so yeah, we were very climate focused
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as well as bringing in the animal message.
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But at the beginning, it was very much
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climate focused.
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And over the first couple of years, we
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actually started seeing progress within the climate movement,
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more groups including Extinction Rebellion using our messaging
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basically about the need to transition to a
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plant-based food system.
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And so yeah, I feel like we've achieved
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that mission, like that goal.
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Of course, it'd be great to see other
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climate groups doing that even more than they
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are already.
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But yeah, I think we were successful in
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that sense.
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And now we've been bringing the animal message
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in more as well, doing things like rescuing,
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liberating beagles and like the Grand National, but
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using those actions and those events to draw
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attention to the wider issue of the suffering
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of all animals.
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It's about ending the exploitation of all animals.
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Yeah, for both them and the planet.
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Well, speaking of actions, we're gonna get to
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a couple of other really dramatic actions.
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And I think you're showing in this video,
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let's check out the rescue of three lambs
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from the estate of the King of England,
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King Charles.
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Animal rights campaigners have taken three lambs from
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the King Sandringham estate in Norfolk.
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I've been an animal lover my whole life.
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When you see a lamb jumping around a
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field, you can't help but be filled with
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joy, regardless of if you connect with the
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reason why they're there.
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It's not the differences that matter, it's what's
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similar.
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We can all experience fear, we can all
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experience pain, but also experience love and happiness
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and freedom.
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And that's what we want to give to
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these animals.
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If we don't save these sheep, essentially what
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will happen, the lambs will get taken to
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a slaughterhouse.
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Whereas if we go and rescue them, they
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can actually live out their lives in peace
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and never experience the fear of a slaughterhouse.
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We just don't think it needs to be
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like this.
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No animal or anyone should be born into
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a life of exploitation.
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There's no need to be treating them like
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that.
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And by breeding them and farming them, we
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are destroying our native landscape.
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We are causing a biodiversity crisis that is
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speeding us towards climate catastrophe.
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We can't continue like this.
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There are barely any trees, everything's being deforested.
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Animal agriculture is the leading cause of the
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biodiversity crisis.
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It's one of the leading causes of the
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climate crisis.
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It is one of the most harmful industries
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that there is on this planet, but we
544
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:10,390
can transition out of this.
545
00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:12,490
So you were there.
546
00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:13,790
First of all, tell us what it was
547
00:20:13,790 --> 00:20:16,770
like going on to the estate of the
548
00:20:16,770 --> 00:20:17,690
King of England.
549
00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:20,070
This sounds like something out of Knights of
550
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:25,630
the Round Table and taking these lambs, rescuing
551
00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:26,030
them.
552
00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:30,590
Yeah, so King Charles owns a lot of
553
00:20:30,590 --> 00:20:31,790
land in the UK.
554
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:34,830
People may not realise, but yeah, you couldn't
555
00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:36,490
really tell that you were on King Charles'
556
00:20:36,690 --> 00:20:37,010
land.
557
00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:41,250
He has massive, massive estates and we located
558
00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:44,830
a sheep farm on his estate where we
559
00:20:44,830 --> 00:20:46,890
saw that it was during lambing season.
560
00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:50,590
And of course, we know what's going to
561
00:20:50,590 --> 00:20:51,710
happen to those lambs.
562
00:20:52,170 --> 00:20:53,850
They're either going to go straight to slaughter
563
00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:56,990
or be used for breeding other lambs who
564
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:58,330
will be going to slaughter as well.
565
00:21:00,090 --> 00:21:02,890
I mean, obviously going to King Charles' estate
566
00:21:02,890 --> 00:21:05,550
is a way to get media attention.
567
00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:08,150
If you go to a regular sheep, yeah,
568
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:09,530
basically if we'd gone to a regular sheep
569
00:21:09,530 --> 00:21:11,010
farm, we know we wouldn't have got front
570
00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:12,910
page news, but because we went to King
571
00:21:12,910 --> 00:21:15,330
Charles' estate, we made it onto the front
572
00:21:15,330 --> 00:21:17,550
page of the newspaper the following day.
573
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:23,410
And yeah, I would say it was stressful.
574
00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:25,490
Obviously, yeah, you want to be successful.
575
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:30,510
And yeah, just the pressure of getting the
576
00:21:30,510 --> 00:21:33,110
lambs and taking them and just like knowing
577
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:35,810
that you're having to make that choice as
578
00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:37,030
well of who to take.
579
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:39,650
It's just like this horrible feeling of, yeah,
580
00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:42,330
it's basically a luck of the draw, basically
581
00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:42,950
for the lambs.
582
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:44,810
Obviously, they don't know what's happening, but yeah,
583
00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:47,350
it just felt really strange having to choose
584
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:48,010
who was going.
585
00:21:48,410 --> 00:21:52,130
And yeah, we took Sunny City and yeah,
586
00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:53,910
all the way to Sanctuary where they're now
587
00:21:53,910 --> 00:21:54,550
very safe.
588
00:21:55,030 --> 00:21:58,970
And yeah, the media were very interested in
589
00:21:58,970 --> 00:22:00,090
locating the lambs.
590
00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:02,190
The Daily Mail made it their mission to
591
00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:03,130
try to locate them.
592
00:22:03,170 --> 00:22:05,930
And we're going to Sanctuaries and yeah, trying
593
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:06,470
to locate them.
594
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:07,370
But yeah, they're safe.
595
00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:09,650
And a few days ago, we released a
596
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:11,810
photo of them all grown up now.
597
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:13,730
So yeah, it's really nice to see that
598
00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:15,810
they're living their lives out in peace.
599
00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:18,070
And yeah, it's unfortunate that the rest of
600
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:19,510
the lambs in that field now- I
601
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:21,570
have to say Prince Charles, correct me if
602
00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:24,430
I'm wrong, is some kind of environmental activist,
603
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:26,150
environmental advocate.
604
00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:28,710
Seems like he's always talking about, and that's,
605
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:31,630
I'm not knocking him, like better than saying
606
00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:33,990
it doesn't, climate change doesn't exist.
607
00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:38,710
However, what do you say, Ben, to his
608
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:42,750
obvious inability to connect animal agriculture since he's
609
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:46,330
participating in raising these lambs for slaughter?
610
00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:50,690
Yeah, I mean, Kings of Charles isn't the
611
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:50,970
worst.
612
00:22:51,090 --> 00:22:53,210
We haven't, I suppose, got a problem specifically
613
00:22:53,210 --> 00:22:54,030
with King Charles.
614
00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:57,450
He's, as they come, isn't too bad, but
615
00:22:57,450 --> 00:22:59,950
he's also, so he's a symbol with a
616
00:22:59,950 --> 00:23:01,150
massive amount of influence.
617
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,130
But he's, but the big problem is he's
618
00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:06,670
the, so in the UK, the UK is
619
00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:08,590
a very strange place and the royal family
620
00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:10,090
own huge amounts of land.
621
00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:11,770
And almost all of that is the sheep
622
00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:12,070
farming.
623
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:15,510
And for us, sheep farming is the most
624
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:15,950
inefficient.
625
00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:17,710
The UK, if anyone's been to the UK,
626
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:19,970
is nearly 20% of the UK is
627
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:20,790
covered in sheep farming.
628
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:22,610
And we only get about 1% of
629
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:23,390
our calories from it.
630
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:25,950
So it's the most ridiculous, ridiculous way to
631
00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:26,410
use land.
632
00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:28,880
So yeah, he should stop doing that.
633
00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:31,670
But I was going to say, I think,
634
00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:36,250
is King Charles even, as one of the
635
00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:38,810
witnesses in your case, I can't remember now,
636
00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:41,270
his name pops up somewhere.
637
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:45,790
Oh yeah, he is like, he's confirmed in
638
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:48,310
the evidence that he owns the land.
639
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,030
Obviously we don't agree with owning, but yeah,
640
00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:52,690
it confirms that King Charles owns the lands.
641
00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:54,630
But in court, so yeah, we do have
642
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:56,110
a trial coming up with a jury at
643
00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:56,790
the end of this year.
644
00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,170
Although King Charles won't be president as far
645
00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:00,610
as I know, it will be his, they
646
00:24:00,610 --> 00:24:02,610
call them like the farmer or like the
647
00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:03,490
stockman basically.
648
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:06,190
So unfortunately Charles isn't going to be president.
649
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,190
But I mean, isn't there a way to
650
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:10,170
capitalise on this?
651
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:12,490
People are obsessed with the Royal family and
652
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:14,430
frankly I have nothing against them as individuals.
653
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:16,350
My heart goes out to King Charles who's
654
00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:20,090
had a cancer diagnosis as well as other
655
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:21,150
members of the Royal family.
656
00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:23,770
I mean, they're people, but if you are
657
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:26,890
saying that you are an environmental activist and
658
00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:29,490
you want to save the environment and you
659
00:24:29,490 --> 00:24:31,950
are one of the biggest, if not the
660
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:37,510
biggest sheep farmers in the United Kingdom, there's
661
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,530
a complete hypocrisy there.
662
00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:40,510
There's a disconnect.
663
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:44,330
Is there a way to use this trial
664
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:49,370
as a vehicle to get that word out?
665
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:51,750
Not in a nasty way, but just in
666
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:52,890
a factual way.
667
00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:54,010
Rose.
668
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:55,990
Oh yeah, 100%.
669
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:59,010
I think that's something we'll definitely do.
670
00:24:59,150 --> 00:25:01,810
I think reaching out to King Charles for
671
00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:04,090
a statement and try and have positive dialogue
672
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:04,530
with him.
673
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:07,290
We're not targeting him or saying he's doing
674
00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:07,670
anything wrong.
675
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:10,290
We actually said, we genuinely believe if he
676
00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:15,510
knew the environmental impact of sheep farming, if
677
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:18,290
he knew the true cost of sheep farming,
678
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:21,090
plus if he'd known exactly what happens to
679
00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:22,810
lambs when they get slaughtered, he would have
680
00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:24,430
actually agreed with what we were doing.
681
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:26,990
So yeah, I think if anyone had been
682
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:30,190
in a lamb slaughterhouse, they would agree to
683
00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:31,470
saving their lives.
684
00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:33,030
So yeah, we'll definitely reach out.
685
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:34,390
I just want to disagree with you on
686
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:35,070
one thing.
687
00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:38,310
Respectfully, you have to be living with your
688
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:41,770
head under a pile of rocks, not to
689
00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:45,630
have, if you're an environmental expert and you're
690
00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,390
the head of the royal family and you
691
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:49,430
have all these experts at your command, not
692
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:50,190
to know this.
693
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:53,290
I mean, yes, the mainstream media suppresses and
694
00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:55,710
there's been studies showing the mainstream media, which
695
00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:58,690
is supported by advertisers, who are the industries
696
00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:02,050
that are creating the problem, fast food, pharmaceuticals,
697
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:02,490
et cetera.
698
00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:05,490
They're not talking about it, but it's not
699
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:07,130
like it's a secret.
700
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:11,450
The United Nations, what, back in 2006, had
701
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:13,830
a report called Livestock's Long Shadow that showed
702
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:17,410
that animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse
703
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:20,070
gas emissions than all transportation combined.
704
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:25,810
The idea that, oh, I just didn't know,
705
00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:27,690
we all know and we could think back
706
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:31,350
in history of times where that was just
707
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:33,210
a cop-out for atrocity.
708
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:36,910
I don't buy the, oh, I didn't know
709
00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:38,270
argument anymore.
710
00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:40,970
Maybe 20 years ago, but not now, Ben.
711
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:45,810
Yeah, well, it sounds like you should give
712
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:47,170
King Charles a call and tell him.
713
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:49,450
Yeah, yeah.
714
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:51,370
Oh yeah, of course, of course.
715
00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:53,170
But I think that's actually part of the
716
00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:53,490
defence.
717
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:55,330
So I think Rose is referring to, she's
718
00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:59,310
actually, so the, in the UK, that's a
719
00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:00,770
defence that you can use.
720
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:03,790
Had they known, they would have allowed me
721
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:04,190
to do it.
722
00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:05,350
They would have allowed me to take them.
723
00:27:06,910 --> 00:27:08,830
So that's actually part of the defence that
724
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:09,370
you can argue.
725
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:13,070
Had they really known, they would have allowed
726
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:13,650
me to do it.
727
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:15,670
So you can steal someone's property if you
728
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:16,950
were doing it for the right reason, if
729
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:17,650
I understand correctly.
730
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:18,910
So that's what Rose is referring to.
731
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:21,510
But yeah, I do think King Charles probably
732
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:21,890
does know.
733
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:25,570
Yeah, and I mean, you had mentioned in
734
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:27,970
one of your videos, which by the way,
735
00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:30,050
we're happy to say, once again, are streaming
736
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,970
on Unchained TV, including this interview, if you
737
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:34,510
want to watch it again later.
738
00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:38,770
And Animal Rising has their own channel now
739
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:40,610
on Unchained TV, and I'm so thrilled.
740
00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:44,110
You know, I'll be honest, I ran into
741
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:45,850
them because I had tried to reach out
742
00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:47,370
to Extinction Rebellion.
743
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:48,930
I thought, let's get some of those videos
744
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:49,170
on.
745
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:49,970
I didn't hear back.
746
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:51,970
So then I said, well, there's something called
747
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,210
Animal Rebellion, and then I got a notice
748
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:56,530
about Animal Rising, and I realised it was
749
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:57,890
an offshoot of that group.
750
00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,650
But Extinction Rebellion, the offer still stands.
751
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:05,030
We'd love to stream your video, and we'd
752
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:06,470
love you to talk a little bit more.
753
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:08,750
You've begun, but talk even a little bit
754
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:11,890
more about the connection between animal agriculture and
755
00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:12,610
climate change.
756
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:17,890
But you know, as you move forward, what
757
00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:19,210
is your strategy?
758
00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:21,710
You've proven that you can get headlines.
759
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:23,750
What's next, Rose?
760
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:28,670
Well, I guess each year we kind of
761
00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:32,250
restrategize or like evaluate, look at what we're
762
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:32,490
doing.
763
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:34,290
And I guess the end of last year,
764
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:38,390
after all of those very intense actions, highly
765
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:41,070
disruptive actions, so we did multiple horse races,
766
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:42,170
also a greyhound race.
767
00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:44,870
We realised it was time to kind of
768
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:48,290
calm down a little bit with the high
769
00:28:48,290 --> 00:28:50,630
stakes actions, because yeah, they are really risky,
770
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:53,050
like you said, in terms of people's freedom,
771
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,530
but also like physically they're risky for people
772
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:55,830
too.
773
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:58,590
And so over the last six months, we've
774
00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:01,290
been working on a campaign, which we can't
775
00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:02,790
actually talk about right now, which is really
776
00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:03,230
frustrating.
777
00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:04,910
So we're normally really open about what we're
778
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:05,250
doing.
779
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:08,110
But yeah, we're going to announce it in
780
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:09,610
a couple of weeks, basically, or at least
781
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:10,190
part of it.
782
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,530
So we can't announce everything right now, but
783
00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:15,750
I'd say, yeah, our strategy has changed in
784
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:17,690
the last year or so to, I guess
785
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:19,470
we're just reflecting on the fact that direct
786
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,290
action isn't the only way to make change.
787
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:23,930
And for the first few years, that was
788
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:24,670
our main focus.
789
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:26,170
And it still is a big part of
790
00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:26,670
what we're doing.
791
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:27,930
And it's something we're really good at, but
792
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:30,650
we're also acknowledging these other areas that we
793
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:32,850
need to work on as well.
794
00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:36,850
Like I mentioned, institutional change in universities, in
795
00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:37,850
councils as well.
796
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:40,490
And then also starting dialogue with those that
797
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:43,250
we don't always have the same or like
798
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:45,530
aligned values with like farmers.
799
00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:49,450
And so, yeah, basically, maybe Ben can talk
800
00:29:49,450 --> 00:29:50,910
a bit more about the university's campaign.
801
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:53,490
But yeah, that's something that we're, yeah, we're
802
00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:55,010
seeing like massive success with that as well
803
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:56,750
as like a student-led campaign.
804
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:58,370
But yeah, so I'd say our current strategy
805
00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:03,290
is to create this like ecosystem of multiple
806
00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:06,690
campaigns that are all directed towards the same
807
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,510
goal of a transition to a plant-based
808
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:09,110
food system.
809
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:12,170
But they're all using like different tactics and
810
00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:13,030
techniques to do that.
811
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:17,610
I agree, we absolutely have to reach universities
812
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:19,130
and even high schools.
813
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:23,590
I just did a video of the first
814
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,250
VegFest at UCLA.
815
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:27,610
And it was a whole bunch of animal
816
00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:29,270
groups that got together, no infighting.
817
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,590
I said, the kids can learn something from
818
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:33,730
the adults or the adults can learn something
819
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:34,530
from the kids rather.
820
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:37,450
And they put this great VegFest on and
821
00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:39,950
they said, we wanna export this to universities
822
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:42,070
and even high schools all around the world
823
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:44,810
to have universities and high schools having VegFest.
824
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,450
So maybe you wanna get in touch with
825
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,770
them because that would also be an incredible
826
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:49,070
way.
827
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:51,090
But I think the general idea is that
828
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:52,830
we've got to look to the next generation.
829
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:54,510
Is there change?
830
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:57,830
You know, Ben, the United Kingdom, particularly London,
831
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,210
which I've been to, we did a whole
832
00:30:59,210 --> 00:31:02,470
tour of vegan England tour, is one of
833
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:04,550
the most vegan places on the planet.
834
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:07,450
Do you see, because there's a lot of
835
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:09,630
attacking now of the vegan movement.
836
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:13,090
Piers Morgan did a whole segment is veganism
837
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:14,970
dying.
838
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:18,510
He's very nasty and vitriolic about the vegan
839
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:18,810
movement.
840
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:19,630
I don't know why.
841
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:21,210
Maybe he had a bad date with a
842
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:23,570
vegan once or something, but it's really gnarly.
843
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:26,330
And we had one of our hosts on,
844
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:28,150
Jamie Logan, debating with him.
845
00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:30,350
And she certainly looked healthy enough to put
846
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:30,950
it mildly.
847
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:32,970
But I mean, he was trying to make
848
00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:33,450
the case.
849
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:36,610
Now, even stocks, even the hottest stocks, they
850
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:37,850
don't just go straight up.
851
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:40,370
There's always a little bit of, you know,
852
00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:42,750
so, oh yeah, some vegan restaurants are closing.
853
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:44,330
Some new ones are opening.
854
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:48,170
Some stock prices are going down.
855
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:50,950
But then I was just at the Natural
856
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:53,930
Products Expo West in Anaheim, California.
857
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:56,590
And it's the largest natural products expo in
858
00:31:56,590 --> 00:31:56,890
the world.
859
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:58,770
And it seemed like every other, or almost
860
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:01,550
every booth was a vegan booth or had
861
00:32:01,550 --> 00:32:02,250
vegan options.
862
00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:03,770
I don't think it's dying.
863
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:06,910
I think it's rippling under the surface, ready
864
00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:07,570
to explode.
865
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:10,750
What do you think out of the United
866
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:11,170
Kingdom?
867
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:16,390
Well, from the work we're doing, it's going
868
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:16,870
quite well.
869
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:19,730
So for example, the plant-based universities campaign,
870
00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:20,710
I'll just explain what it is.
871
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:23,530
We're passing motions through student unions for 100
872
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:25,850
% plant-based campuses.
873
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,470
Well, it's first the student unions, which in
874
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:29,950
the UK normally control a few restaurants.
875
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:33,830
And we've done that in 10 universities in
876
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:34,290
the UK.
877
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:36,510
And we're doing it now in Europe.
878
00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:39,390
And we've got one successfully passed.
879
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:41,130
And so we've got 60 campaigns in the
880
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,210
UK, 20 in Europe.
881
00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:44,830
And we're able to pass motions for 100
882
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,630
% plant-based campuses with student votes.
883
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:47,330
They're democratic.
884
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:49,930
And if you tried to do this five
885
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:51,330
years ago, six years ago, even for a
886
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:52,470
meat-free Monday, it would be more or
887
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:52,990
less impossible.
888
00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:56,590
So younger people, students understand animal farming is,
889
00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:00,630
younger people who take climate change and the
890
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:02,990
destruction of the planet seriously are okay with
891
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:06,190
voting for 100% plant-based catering in
892
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:06,910
their student unions.
893
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:09,470
And then we're progressing to tackle the whole
894
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:09,990
universities.
895
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:12,110
And we've done the same thing in councils
896
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,750
where councillors are voting for all their internal
897
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:15,970
events to be 100% plant-based.
898
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:18,570
So for us, we don't really track, we're
899
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:20,830
not involved in the vegan, what we call
900
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:22,270
vegan capitalism so much.
901
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:23,930
And I know that's been not been going
902
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:25,710
so well in some respects, or at least
903
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:26,550
that's what some people say.
904
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:28,850
But from where we're looking, we're finding it
905
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:32,490
fairly easy or a lot easier to get
906
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,470
what we'd call transformative change than I think
907
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,290
it would have ever been before.
908
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:37,410
And then soon we hope to, and what
909
00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:39,430
we're doing is we're organising university students, hundreds
910
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:39,770
of them.
911
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:42,790
So we've got hopefully 200 UK students coming
912
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:45,130
to summer camps this summer and 100 going
913
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:46,550
to a German summer camp this summer.
914
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:48,470
And we hope to then now do the
915
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:50,890
same thing with school students as well, where
916
00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:53,190
we organise school students themselves to run campaigns.
917
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:54,590
And that's different to what we do.
918
00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:56,910
We don't contact universities directly.
919
00:33:57,090 --> 00:33:59,770
We give people the tools and the training
920
00:33:59,770 --> 00:34:01,390
to run campaigns and win them themselves.
921
00:34:02,030 --> 00:34:04,230
So from our perspective, we're doing okay.
922
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:08,190
Yeah, but don't give up your direct actions.
923
00:34:08,469 --> 00:34:09,810
Boy, I do love them.
924
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:12,630
I think they're very, very powerful and impactful.
925
00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:15,770
Easy for me to stay from my armchair,
926
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:16,110
right?
927
00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:17,550
While you guys are going out there and
928
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:19,850
taking the risks and getting arrested.
929
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:24,550
And every single time you make news, check
930
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:29,190
out this video of Animal Rising occupying a
931
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:31,030
United Kingdom dairy farm.
932
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:33,210
And by the way, for those watching and
933
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:35,870
think there's nothing wrong with dairy, just take
934
00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:36,090
a look.
935
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:37,310
Everyone does love animals.
936
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,610
And it's just the case of really acting
937
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:42,170
on that as a society and as a
938
00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:42,489
planet.
939
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:44,790
We're here today at this dairy farm where
940
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:47,030
there are thousands of baby calves.
941
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:50,429
Rows and rows of little babies trapped.
942
00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:54,850
They're in these little plastic pens in isolation
943
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:56,910
and away from their mothers so that we
944
00:34:56,910 --> 00:34:57,790
can have their milk.
945
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:59,610
We don't need to use animals.
946
00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:01,550
And if we say we love them, our
947
00:35:01,550 --> 00:35:03,130
actions need to line up with that.
948
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:04,110
And this isn't it.
949
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:05,850
This isn't what love looks like.
950
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:07,630
It doesn't have to be this way.
951
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:09,190
You can tell this isn't right.
952
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:11,230
They seek that interaction they should be getting
953
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:12,030
from their mothers.
954
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:14,170
Over here, they're running around.
955
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,370
They want to play and they have no
956
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:16,810
space.
957
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,330
This is completely unnatural.
958
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:21,050
You've only got to see the heartbreaking situation
959
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:22,630
that's here at this moment in time.
960
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:24,690
And you can see that our system is
961
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:25,930
fundamentally broken.
962
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:29,670
We're all trapped in a system which is
963
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:32,590
just based on greed and reducing everything to
964
00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:33,590
numbers.
965
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:36,310
And this farm isn't the exception.
966
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:37,070
It's the rule.
967
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:40,630
These animals are victims in a terrible system.
968
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,790
It's a monster and it's horrific.
969
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:45,890
If we stop using animals and we move
970
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:48,290
away from having them in our food system
971
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:50,050
and towards a plant-based food system, it's
972
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:52,110
not just creating a future for them.
973
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,910
It's creating a better future for all of
974
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:54,250
us.
975
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:56,590
We need to stop these industries that harm
976
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:59,170
animals completely, whether that be in animal agriculture,
977
00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:02,570
in horse racing, in animal testing.
978
00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:04,850
The way we exploit animals is so prevalent
979
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:06,210
and so ingrained in our society.
980
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:07,790
It's so completely unnecessary.
981
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:10,290
And if we claim to be this nation
982
00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:12,630
of animal lovers that we so often say
983
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:15,870
we are, then things need to drastically change.
984
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:18,630
Wow, so powerful.
985
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:21,850
And again, we started off today with breaking
986
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:25,810
news because yes, the animals are suffering, but
987
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:30,010
this is also affecting people, consumers.
988
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:32,690
The largest U.S. egg producer detects bird
989
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:33,970
flu at Texas plant.
990
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:36,790
Largest U.S. egg producer detects bird flu.
991
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,730
These are the headlines all across the United
992
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:39,390
States today.
993
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:43,310
Bird flu detected at the largest chicken egg
994
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:44,330
manufacturer.
995
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:48,210
And dairy cattle in Texas and Kansas test
996
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:48,770
positive.
997
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:51,190
And if you say, well, this isn't going
998
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,750
to affect me, I don't understand how people
999
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:54,950
can sleep at night.
1000
00:36:55,390 --> 00:37:00,370
When, let me just read one article, one
1001
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:01,970
sentence from the article.
1002
00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:05,470
Bird flu has cost the government roughly $660
1003
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:05,830
million.
1004
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:11,230
No, the government is what's keeping all these
1005
00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:16,270
industries alive with their insurance payouts and their
1006
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:16,790
subsidies.
1007
00:37:17,330 --> 00:37:19,730
But in recent times, this has raised the
1008
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:21,010
price of eggs and poultry.
1009
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:24,790
Again, why do we have to look at
1010
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:26,630
it just in terms of price?
1011
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:32,190
When frankly, people would be healthier by eliminating
1012
00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:33,970
this food from their diet.
1013
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:38,430
And then it says at least 58 million
1014
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:42,930
birds were slaughtered last year to spread, limit
1015
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:44,250
the spread of the virus.
1016
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:48,450
At least 58 million birds were slaughtered last
1017
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:50,390
year to limit the spread of the virus.
1018
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:52,550
And I think they're talking about just the
1019
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:53,250
United States.
1020
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:56,730
Now, anybody who can read that, and this
1021
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:57,850
is one of the things that I had
1022
00:37:57,850 --> 00:37:59,250
a problem with when I was a mainstream
1023
00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:00,150
media reporter.
1024
00:38:00,630 --> 00:38:03,450
You're not allowed to say, oh, isn't that
1025
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:03,950
terrible?
1026
00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:08,070
Because you have to disregard that as almost
1027
00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:09,590
just economic news.
1028
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:12,270
And that's part of the sickness of our
1029
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:12,710
system.
1030
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:16,490
And that's why people like Ben and Rose
1031
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:18,270
have to go out there and get arrested.
1032
00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:21,530
Because if they were simply to say, wow,
1033
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:25,110
this is not just animal suffering, it's posing
1034
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:27,090
a risk to us to wit.
1035
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:32,590
The CDC just issued this, highly pathogenic avian
1036
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:37,650
influenza A H5N1 virus infection reported in a
1037
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:41,150
person in the US, still maintaining that the
1038
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:42,690
risk of the general public is low.
1039
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:43,950
But that's scary.
1040
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:45,670
All of us who have lived through the
1041
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:50,290
pandemic, which again was certainly a zoonotic illness,
1042
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:52,890
whether it started, which it most likely did
1043
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:55,910
in the wet market in Wuhan, China, where
1044
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:58,050
all these animals were being slaughtered and there
1045
00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:00,650
was faeces and blood and pus and wild
1046
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:03,390
animals mixed with domestic animals, or whether it
1047
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:05,850
started nearby in the Wuhan lab where bats
1048
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:06,650
were being tortured.
1049
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:08,590
It was our abusive animals.
1050
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:10,670
And we just lived through that pandemic.
1051
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:13,810
And I just spent three years, I never
1052
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:17,130
got it, isolating in this place right here
1053
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:17,690
where I'm sitting.
1054
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:20,290
And still the general public and the US
1055
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:22,550
government and governments around the world are not
1056
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:23,390
connecting the dots.
1057
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:27,610
Honestly, I'm fed up as a taxpayer and
1058
00:39:27,610 --> 00:39:29,730
a citizen of this world who doesn't wanna
1059
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:32,930
have to go into hiding again for another
1060
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:34,850
three years because of another pandemic.
1061
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:37,030
I mean, what the hell's going on?
1062
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:38,650
What is it gonna take?
1063
00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:40,530
And I would like to round Robin this.
1064
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:41,550
What do you think, Rose?
1065
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:47,020
I mean, yeah, it's such a massive problem,
1066
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:47,700
I think.
1067
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,880
I mean, yeah, it's quite frustrating seeing people
1068
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800
just going back to like business as usual
1069
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400
after the pandemic and after everyone having to
1070
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:55,940
go into lockdown.
1071
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:58,800
And then I guess, yeah, during that time,
1072
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:01,020
we were still doing actions where we could.
1073
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,420
And it was, yeah, an interesting time to
1074
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:05,600
plan actions because, yeah, we were trying to
1075
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,540
do things socially distanced and things, and hoping
1076
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:11,140
that, yeah, the pandemic would change things.
1077
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,020
But yeah, I guess it just feels like
1078
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,000
almost nothing happened and everyone's forgotten that that
1079
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,480
ever happened.
1080
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,320
And people aren't changing their behaviour because of
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00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,560
that.
1082
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:22,580
And yeah, it's just, it is beyond belief
1083
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:25,340
like how dissociated people are.
1084
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Like people are not making that connection or
1085
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,700
not wanting to make the connection between what
1086
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,140
they're eating and pandemics or what they're eating
1087
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:35,640
and climate change and also animal suffering.
1088
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,880
So yeah.
1089
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,320
We're gonna jump in again because we've got
1090
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:38,860
another caller.
1091
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:40,980
Sarah in Venice Beach, California.
1092
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,960
Your question or thought for Animal Rising.
1093
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:47,160
Hi, I actually have a question.
1094
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:49,460
I wanted to find out, do you think
1095
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,640
the reason why they're trying to ban TikTok
1096
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,020
is because they don't want people to see
1097
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:55,720
all the cruelty?
1098
00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:58,660
Because I feel like now that I was
1099
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,780
thinking about this, about TikTok the other day,
1100
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,400
it's really depressing.
1101
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,740
I don't wanna watch it, but it seems
1102
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:08,780
to wake people up to what's really going
1103
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:09,160
on.
1104
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,800
And I wanted to find out, do you
1105
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,640
think that's good?
1106
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,140
Or what is the number one way that
1107
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,560
you can reach the youth of our nation
1108
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
to find out what's really going on?
1109
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,640
Because I feel like it's still really being
1110
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,180
suppressed.
1111
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:23,640
So thank you so much.
1112
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:24,980
Thanks.
1113
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:25,880
Good question, Ben.
1114
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:26,640
What do you say?
1115
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,060
Well, actually we keep having our TikTok taken
1116
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:29,720
down actually.
1117
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,400
Cause yeah, TikTok does reach, but it's quite
1118
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,120
strict actually.
1119
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,440
It's specifically on TikTok.
1120
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,340
So that's our one platform that I think
1121
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,840
anything that looks a little bit illegal, they
1122
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,380
just take down.
1123
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,700
But how do you reach young people?
1124
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:46,740
I don't know.
1125
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:50,040
We're on Instagram, Facebook's a bit for older
1126
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,700
people, we use Instagram, but we do get
1127
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,420
a lot of news.
1128
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:56,980
And getting viral videos, we've got a lot
1129
00:41:56,980 --> 00:42:00,100
better at designing viral videos, which I take
1130
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:00,800
off on Twitter.
1131
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:02,260
And we've had somewhere like 10s of millions,
1132
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,220
while we're on with 15 million views.
1133
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
So I'm not sure, I'm afraid if I
1134
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,220
had the exact answers to that, probably wouldn't
1135
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,160
be in the state we're in.
1136
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,180
Well, I look back to my youth when
1137
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:16,800
I was in high school and college was
1138
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,920
the Vietnam War.
1139
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,460
That's what everybody was talking about.
1140
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,620
And the protests were enormous.
1141
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:25,580
And I remember hearing a famous musician.
1142
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,820
And honestly, I wish I could remember, was
1143
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:29,380
it Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell?
1144
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,400
One of them was saying, the movement was
1145
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,220
a political movement until music entered the picture.
1146
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:41,080
And once music started, songs started being written
1147
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,460
about the Vietnam War, all of a sudden
1148
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:46,600
it became a cultural and a social phenomenon.
1149
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,900
And that's when all the quote unquote, kids,
1150
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,140
the students, the college students really got on
1151
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:54,560
board.
1152
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,280
And that's why I think what you're doing
1153
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,260
in colleges is really important.
1154
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,980
But what about bringing in that music component?
1155
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,340
That's one of the reasons why we put
1156
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:06,380
up a music category on Unchained TV.
1157
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:09,740
Anybody who's written anything about animal suffering, I've
1158
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:11,120
written a couple of songs myself.
1159
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,380
We invite you to do a music video
1160
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,840
because it's a video channel and submit it.
1161
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,940
We'd be happy assuming it meets certain technical
1162
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:21,280
criteria to put it up.
1163
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,820
But where are we?
1164
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,400
If you look at the example of the
1165
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,060
Vietnam War protests, the anti-war protests, which
1166
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:31,420
really went from a political issue to a
1167
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:34,220
cultural issue that enveloped anybody, everybody.
1168
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:36,780
Where are we on that, Rose?
1169
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:41,240
Yeah, I think we're so far from that
1170
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:41,860
right now.
1171
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:43,920
But I think it's really important.
1172
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,900
I guess it's like two ways to approach
1173
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,460
it like in the music industry, because yeah,
1174
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,000
you can have like animal rights activists or
1175
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,440
vegans creating music.
1176
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:53,280
However, I don't think many people or to
1177
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,020
reach people with that music is quite difficult.
1178
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:56,820
But I think really we need to be,
1179
00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:59,820
well, the ideal would be for people that
1180
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:02,560
already have influence, like Billie Eilish, for example.
1181
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:03,980
She's vegan.
1182
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:07,660
She's already speaking out for animals and against
1183
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:08,600
climate change as well.
1184
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,060
And she's already got that platform.
1185
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:11,820
So I think we need more people like
1186
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:12,180
her.
1187
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,380
Also people like Cillian Murphy, who stars in
1188
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:14,980
Oppenheimer.
1189
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,000
He recently came out as going vegan or
1190
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,700
at least plant-based.
1191
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:21,300
So I think we are slowly seeing more
1192
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,220
people with celebrity status, which to me, it
1193
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:27,880
shouldn't matter if it's a celebrity thing.
1194
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,600
But yeah, those people do have influence on
1195
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,540
young people and the general public.
1196
00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:33,420
And I think it's important that those people
1197
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:34,800
do speak out for animals.
1198
00:44:35,220 --> 00:44:36,560
And it is nice seeing more people doing
1199
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:36,780
that.
1200
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,240
And we are seeing a lot of support
1201
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,740
from people like, for example, Moby recently reached
1202
00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:42,220
out to us.
1203
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:43,460
We're not even having to reach out to
1204
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:43,940
them anymore.
1205
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,380
It's like Moby reached out to us to
1206
00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:47,000
support the Plant Based Universities campaign.
1207
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:53,040
Brian May has also supported, publicly supported our
1208
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,760
campaigns too.
1209
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:55,640
We're seeing a lot of celebrities coming out
1210
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,640
and support without us even having to reach
1211
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,580
out, which is really cool.
1212
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,120
So yeah, I think things are changing a
1213
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,880
little bit, and I think they see it
1214
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,040
as being risky for them to be speaking
1215
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,500
out, I guess, in any way, like any
1216
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,380
political way.
1217
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,500
But yeah, particularly around animals, I think it's
1218
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:12,540
quite controversial still.
1219
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,360
So it's quite a risk for them.
1220
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,500
It's funny you said come out, like they're
1221
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:19,260
revealing their sexuality.
1222
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,640
And I'm speaking as somebody who came out,
1223
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,720
I was one of the earlier journalists to
1224
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,540
come out as gay publicly on the radio.
1225
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:34,720
But it's almost like coming out, because yes,
1226
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,420
you're right.
1227
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,080
To reveal that you are a vegan is
1228
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,860
considered a political statement.
1229
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:46,160
But here's the thing I can't really understand.
1230
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,220
What is it going to take?
1231
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,940
We are in a climate crisis.
1232
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Your videos have referred to the climate crisis
1233
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,240
that we're in and deforestation.
1234
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,220
And the New York Times recently reported a
1235
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:03,900
story that wasn't picked up by anybody, okay?
1236
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:06,380
I thought, is this going to be on
1237
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:06,720
CNN?
1238
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,300
Is this going to be on NBC?
1239
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:09,960
Is this going to be on ABC?
1240
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:11,080
Crickets.
1241
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Even though they play catastrophe porn all day
1242
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,640
and show people, you know, houses going up
1243
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,640
in flames and going into the water and
1244
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,420
people drowning.
1245
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:22,700
I call that catastrophe porn.
1246
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,640
When it comes to solutions, unless it's fossil
1247
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,060
fuels.
1248
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,440
You know, half the people marching couldn't even
1249
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,620
identify exactly what a fossil fuel is.
1250
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,200
But people know what a hamburger is.
1251
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,400
So it's much more threatening because people could
1252
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,320
take the power back.
1253
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,100
But I mean, Oxford University, as reported in
1254
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,620
the New York Times, did a study that
1255
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:46,860
showed that heavy meat eaters, which is most
1256
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:50,880
Americans, could reduce their greenhouse gas emissions footprint
1257
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,060
by 75% by switching to a plant
1258
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:55,740
-based diet.
1259
00:46:57,740 --> 00:46:59,120
It was in the New York Times.
1260
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,120
Nobody else reported it, right?
1261
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,260
Even though they're on TV.
1262
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:04,240
What can we do?
1263
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:05,100
What can we do?
1264
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:08,720
Yeah, drive a fancy electric car that most
1265
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,420
people can't afford.
1266
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:10,920
That's not the answer.
1267
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,620
But what's it going to take for people
1268
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:15,640
to connect the dots?
1269
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:18,540
One of your videos, Ben, mentioned Sir David
1270
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:21,300
Attenborough, who has a great documentary called Breaking
1271
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:22,100
Boundaries.
1272
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,120
There's only about nine.
1273
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,860
We're already crashing through about six of them.
1274
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,260
I mean, we're going to get to the
1275
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:30,720
point, we have a documentary on Unchained TV
1276
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:35,220
called Countdown to Year Zero, which I produced,
1277
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,360
which says we have only until 2026 to
1278
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,020
transition to a plant-based culture.
1279
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:42,280
That's two years away.
1280
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,920
What is it going to take, Ben, for
1281
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,980
people to wake up?
1282
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,880
Well, I'd say one of the really annoying
1283
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,940
things in the UK is, and around the
1284
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:54,340
world, is the big NGOs, the big nature
1285
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,140
NGOs, the big animal NGOs, and the big
1286
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:58,340
climate NGOs not talking about animal farming.
1287
00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:01,080
So that's something that we tried in the
1288
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,640
past and we'll probably try and get in
1289
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,780
the future, is pushing those big organisations to
1290
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:10,280
actually say stuff on animal farming, which is
1291
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,860
really frustrating.
1292
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,720
But I'd also actually highlight, Jamie, is I
1293
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,840
think the media environment in the US is
1294
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,100
particularly hostile.
1295
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,940
So when we talk to our friends DXC
1296
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:25,980
in the US, it sounds that the media
1297
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,840
are a lot more hijacked by big ag
1298
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,420
in the US and also in Australia than
1299
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:32,060
they are in the UK.
1300
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:32,860
It's not great.
1301
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,280
It's not great in the UK, but that's
1302
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
part, I think we've got it slightly easier
1303
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
in our, we don't yet have like proper
1304
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,720
ag-gag laws.
1305
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,540
So if you report on, you know, if
1306
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:46,100
you say anything bad about animal farming, you
1307
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:47,180
can be pursued and sued.
1308
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:50,160
So I think we'll probably get there over
1309
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,620
the next couple of years, but we're not
1310
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:52,300
quite there yet.
1311
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,080
So we do have it a little bit
1312
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,420
easier than what you have in the US,
1313
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,220
I think sometimes.
1314
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:57,800
Well, yes.
1315
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,140
And this whole idea of crackdowns, you talked
1316
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:04,560
about excessive force being used on you.
1317
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,600
I just wanna play some video of an
1318
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,880
open rescue in action.
1319
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:14,980
This is in Northern California and you could
1320
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:16,660
see the police turnout.
1321
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:20,140
Now the protesters are holding flowers and singing
1322
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:23,860
songs, a la Peace Knicks in a way.
1323
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:27,920
And there's, look at the police presence.
1324
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,880
And you know, I'm scared to walk my
1325
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,580
dogs after 10 o'clock at night because
1326
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:35,400
I could get mugged very easily.
1327
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:38,140
Okay, crime is rampant.
1328
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,080
Their big box stores are closing in California
1329
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:44,480
because of mass thefts.
1330
00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:45,140
Where are the police?
1331
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:49,960
Well, they're here cracking down on animal activists
1332
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,920
who are trying to point out that what's
1333
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,200
going on inside these factory farms is a
1334
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,900
lot of suffering.
1335
00:49:57,380 --> 00:50:01,900
And they allege that there's violations of Prop
1336
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,560
2, which is a proposition passed overwhelmingly by
1337
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,440
California voters that says that animals have to
1338
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,100
have certain rules, certain room, blah, blah, blah.
1339
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,840
There has never been a single prosecution based
1340
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000
on Prop 2 since it was put into
1341
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,960
law in 2015.
1342
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,280
So either you could presume that there's never
1343
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,240
been a single violation or they're just not
1344
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enforcing it, which kind of makes the voters
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of California suckers, including me.
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I collected signatures for Prop 2 and for
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Prop 12.
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And actually I threw a big party for
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Prop 2.
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And here we are all these years later,
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almost a decade later, and it's never been
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enforced ever.
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So it's really a problem.
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00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,080
And the crazy thing is, I don't know
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if you saw this film, Don't Look Up,
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00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,360
starring Leonardo DiCaprio, but it's a metaphor for
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climate change where these people know that there's
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a meteor coming and they're trying to alert
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the media.
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00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,040
And the media is like, you're so strident,
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you're so extreme, calm down.
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00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:12,840
Do you ever get that sense of like,
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hello, you're not getting a commission every time
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a chicken is saved.
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00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
You're doing this for a greater reason, Rose.
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00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,660
Yeah, definitely.
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I love that film as well.
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And yeah, I agree.
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It sounds like we're just like screaming into
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the wind.
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00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,860
And it's like the problem to us is
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00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:34,540
so obvious and so severe as well and
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serious.
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00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,980
And the suffering is so great and no
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one's listening.
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So yeah, I definitely, definitely relate to that.
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00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:44,800
So yeah, it's just, yeah, trying to get
1378
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,500
people to wake up is just, yeah, it
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00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:48,160
just shocks me.
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And yeah, it's beyond belief sometimes.
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00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,420
We've got another caller.
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00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,900
We've got Annie in Los Angeles.
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Your question, your thought for Animal Rising.
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00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,360
Hi, thanks, Dane, for taking the call.
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00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,180
And oh my gosh, I love you guys.
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00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,160
Like you, Dane, when I searched for animal
1387
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,500
rebellions, I found you.
1388
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,400
You are so incredible.
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00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,460
I am just impressed by how you got
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00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:15,960
together and do all these incredible world-changing
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actions.
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00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:18,000
What motivated you?
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00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:19,780
What got you to get together?
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00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,300
And what bonds you together?
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00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,920
It's just impressive.
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And I can't thank you enough.
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You're heroes plus infinite.
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Love you all.
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Thank you so much.
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Great question.
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So why you, Ben?
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And I always wonder why some people get
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it and others don't.
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Well, I went vegan.
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And then I think I watched Dominion.
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And then I spent three months ranting.
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Then my mom said, stop ranting at me.
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Go do something about it.
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And yeah, I'm not like an overly emotional
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kind of person.
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I mean, I can't remember the last time
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I cried, except when I watch videos of
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what happens to pigs and stuff.
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So yeah, so that's.
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And you, Rose?
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Yeah, I guess I went vegan almost 12
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years ago now after watching the Earthlings documentary.
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And yeah, it just made me, I guess
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since I was a child, I've always felt
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a strong connection with animals and felt very
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angry.
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When there was anything that was ever unjust,
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I felt like, yeah, anger.
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And felt like life doesn't have to be
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unfair.
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You can make it more fair.
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And I always felt like that as a
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child.
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And then, yeah, learning about what's going on
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in the dairy and egg industries after going
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vegetarian and then vegan, I don't know, yeah,
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just straight away, I was like, I need
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to do something.
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I felt just really moved to do something
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and wanted to wake, help wake people up.
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And then four years ago, I guess I
1437
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:49,710
was doing a lot of outreach as well
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as some covert animal rescues for years.
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And then, yeah, then found Animal Rebellion, met
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Ben in, I joined in 2020.
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And then Ben joined a few months later.
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And yeah, we've just got the best team.
1443
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:05,510
Just the most amazing, passionate, dedicated group of
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00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:05,830
people.
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And we just have a real, we're just
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00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:10,130
all so motivated and know that we can
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do this.
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And yeah, we're just, I don't know, we
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00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:15,450
just work so hard to make things happen.
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And we're just good at making things happen,
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I think.
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And it's animalrising.org, correct?
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Yeah.
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Yes, go to animalrising.org and get involved.
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00:54:26,290 --> 00:54:28,570
And I assume that you as a nonprofit
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take donations, right?
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Yep, that's right.
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00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:35,470
Yeah, so I think it's super important to
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support Animal Rising.
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Are you coming to America?
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We've had some issues getting into America.
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We'll try, we'll try.
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00:54:45,630 --> 00:54:47,710
What I like about you guys is you're
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so laid back.
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00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:51,350
Like you're like, yeah, we're doing open rescues.
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We're rescuing the king's sheep.
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00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:58,210
But it's like, you're very chill about it.
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00:54:58,490 --> 00:55:01,950
I think you're accomplishing some really amazing stuff.
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And I just am very grateful that you
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agree to allow us to stream some of
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your videos and keep them coming because they're
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really, really good.
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So I think you're working on all cylinders
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00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:18,890
because you're also documenting the work you're doing
1475
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:21,670
in creative ways and getting it out to
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00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:22,190
the media.
1477
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And everybody would like to have the same
1478
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:29,130
luck as you have, but it's not luck,
1479
00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:33,650
it's strategy in getting the mainstream media to
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cover this.
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So I just wanna say thank you both.
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It's late at night in England.
1483
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:40,210
They're both coming to us from England.
1484
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I'm in Los Angeles.
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00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:43,570
And of course, I always leave you with,
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00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:46,850
please download the Unchained TV app.
1487
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:47,590
It's free.
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00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:49,810
We're a nonprofit run by volunteers.
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00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:51,910
You can download for free on your phone,
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on your TV, Samsung, Amazon Fire Stick, Roku,
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00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:57,830
Apple TV device.
1492
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:59,050
It's all over the world.
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There it is.
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00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:03,270
Download Unchained TV and be part of the
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00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:03,610
team.
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00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:06,890
This is a community and we are trying
1497
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:08,690
to wake up the rest of the world.
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00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:11,590
So see you next time here on Unchained
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TV.
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Jane Velez Mitchell.
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We've got breaking news to bring you.
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You are looking at and hearing headlines that
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are all across the United States today.
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You've got the largest US egg producer in
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the United States, okay, with bird flu.
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Bird flu at a Texas plant.
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The largest US egg producer detects bird flu.
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Bird flu has been detected at the largest
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chicken egg manufacturer in the United States.
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And then you have another headline, dairy cattle
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in Texas and Kansas test positive for bird
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flu.
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And if that were not shocking and upsetting
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enough, check out this news release from the
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Centres for Disease Control.
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That's right, our US government, highly pathogenic avian
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influenza A, H5N1 virus.
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Infection reported in a person in the United
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States.
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Adding CDC's risk assessment for the general public
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remains low.
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That is breaking news to bring you.
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And I can tell you right now that
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there is an organisation called Animal Rising that
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is taking to the streets to try to
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wake people up.
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Hey, we're in a crisis.
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We're in an environmental crisis.
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We're in health crisis.
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We've got the avian flu.
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We just got through COVID.
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We need to change our relationship with animals.
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And so you'd think the public would say,
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yay, wow, what a great idea because we're
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in crisis.
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But no, what happens is there is really
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an effort to suppress the message.
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And also, even as the US government itself
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says that this is a very serious issue,
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actually arrest, arrest the people who are spreading
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this message.
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I wanna bring in some incredible activists.
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Wow, Rose, let me start with you.
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Tell us what your message is, not just
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to the people of England, but also to
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the people of the United States and your
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global message.
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Yeah, hey, Jane, thanks for having us on
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here, by the way.
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And I guess it's Animal Rising, or it
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originally formed as Animal Rebellion four years ago.
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And I guess our message is that we
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need to transition to a plant-based food
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system and have a mass rewilding programme to
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end the animal and climate emergency.
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And so, yeah, we do this through a
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variety of ways.
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We use, I mean, we're best known for
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our direct action, which you had a lot
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of images there of the direct action campaigns
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that we do.
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And we also have other campaigns targeted at
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many transition or institutional change, like the Plant
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-Based Universities Campaign, Plant-Based Councils.
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And we're also trying to build bridges and
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start dialogue with farmers as well.
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So we also have a Vegan Support the
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Farmers Campaign too.
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You're doing so much.
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And I have to say, you guys have
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guts because a lot of what you do,
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it scares me.
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Like, would I be willing to glue my
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hands to a fence?
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Would I be willing to climb over a
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fence?
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And one of your most famous campaigns that
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got global media attention, wow.
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Let's play it and talk with Ben on
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the other side because this disruption of England's
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arguably most famous horse race made global news.
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We made front page news 12 times in
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2023.
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Are you going to try and stop the
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most famous race in the world?
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Is that your plan?
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We were on the front page of the
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Daily Mail with our plans to target the
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Grand National before we even publicly launched the
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new Animal Rising.
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A vegan mob is plotting to sabotage the
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Grand National.
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It set the stage for a battle against
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the multi-billion pound industry.
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We're trying to protect those horses.
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I believe that the reason why we're doing
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it is what's most important.
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And the plan was simple.
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Ordinary people putting their bodies on the line
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to try and save the lives of animals
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dying on racetracks across the UK.
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So what the hell happened to the animals
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in our country?
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This day, I think, is going to be
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overshadowed by the protests.
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But it was bigger than that.
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This was not just about horses and dogs
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suffering and dying in the racing industry.
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This was about repairing our relationship with all
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animals.
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It raises a big question about not only
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how we treat horses, but how we treat
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animals in general.
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or bigger cages for farmed animals.
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where we prioritise their freedom and well-being.
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we urgently need to transition to an animal
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-free, plant-based food system.
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life on this planet.
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Ben Newman, couldn't have said it better myself.
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relationship with animals.
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Tell us how Animal Rising is doing that
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and where did you come from?
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Like you have just burst on the scene.
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Animal Rising last year with the launch of
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the Grand National.
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we're doing to get the job done is
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these massive press-grabbing campaigns like the Grand
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that was.
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story in the UK for 36 hours.
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all animals.
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for the following year.
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arrests at the Grand National.
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Daily Mail journalist.
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main, I suppose, right-wing papers in the
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UK come to one of our trainings.
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Mail on Sunday, the UK's biggest newspaper, two
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weeks before it happened.
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hard work, we still ended up doing it.
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There seemed to be a general lack of
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care across the entire police force.
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ground, hit me on this side, and that
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fractured my collarbone.
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I was grabbed from behind by a security
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guard who put their arm around my neck
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and choked me unconscious.
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I was screaming in pain and telling them
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that my hands were glued together and to
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the jump.
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to keep on pulling.
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I was sprayed by an officer in the
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eyes with pepper spray.
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The police officer covered me so tight that
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he was breaking my wrists.
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He called me a little prick and told
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me that it was my fault and I
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deserved this pain.
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I was tackled by a police officer and
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another individual and another police officer in front
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of the fence struck my hands.
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One police officer was pulling me by my
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hair and shouting that I was a prick
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and that I needed to walk.
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I'd only just regained consciousness.
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was being viciously attacked by a security dog.
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the dog.
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He watched the dog viciously attack my friend
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and take a chunk out of his leg.
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Wow, brave people.
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people jumped over fences or attempted to scale
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the walls and the fences and the barricades
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to get to the horse racetrack.
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Were either of you there and what was
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your experience like trying to wake the world
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up?
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thousands, tens of thousands of horses that are
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deemed, you know, not quite ready for the
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track or sent to slaughter.
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to Canada and Mexico.
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end up getting sent to slaughter in Japan.
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on the track.
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leads these discards to hideous lives at best
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and terrible deaths.
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What was your experience there trying to wake
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people up, Rose, if indeed you were there?
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was about 118 people attempting to get onto
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the track.
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many people.
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a little bit different for me.
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seriously the police took this action, it was
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actually shocking how far they went to protect
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the event.
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bikes.
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police.
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way to my friend's wedding on a train.
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and was getting a train from the North
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of UK to the South basically.
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the protest from going ahead as they knew
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that I was involved in organising of it.
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a train whilst I was on my way
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to my friend's wedding, unfortunately.
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still went ahead.
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And you were arrested and you actually ended
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up being convicted, but you got a suspended
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sentence, right?
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Grand National.
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running on Epsom Racecourse.
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of the people who made it onto the
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track.
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down the middle of the Grand National at
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exactly five o'clock when it was supposed
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to have started.
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But I'll just add on the response.
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They actually used facial recognition.
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I think for the first time that they'd
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rolled it out en masse to protesters around
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the country.
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So they'd been tracking various people from Animal
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Rising facial recognition around the UK.
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So it was quite dystopian.
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I wanna jump in because we've got a
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bunch of callers and say, people, we're so
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thrilled that Animal Rising now has a channel
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on Unchained TV.
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There is Unchained TV right behind me.
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It's a couple of seconds delay.
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You can download Unchained TV on any phone
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anywhere in the world, except China and North
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Korea is my understanding.
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Samsung TV.
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That's a Samsung TV I have there.
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As well as any TV using an Amazon
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Fire Stick, a Roku device or an Apple
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TV device.
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So we're excited that all the exciting videos
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that Animal Rising has put together are quite
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a few of them are streaming on Unchained
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You can watch and absorb.
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These people are risking their lives to get
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these videos together.
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So download, please download the app.
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We're gonna go to the phone lines now.
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Wow, we're lining up.
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Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Animal Rising.
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Oh, thanks for taking my call.
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I really love your bold actions.
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And I thank you for that.
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My question is of all the different campaigns
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that you guys have been involved with, what
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would you say is the greatest victory as
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a result of your actions so far?
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Thank you.
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Keep up the good work.
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Rose.
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Yeah, that's a really difficult question.
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I think in terms of, I mean, yeah,
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one of our main objective is to reach
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the public and to start this like national
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conversation about the way we're treating animals.
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And I think the Grand National Action was
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the one that, yeah, achieved that basically.
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We reached, I think it was 50%
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of the British public saw the action, correct
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me if I'm wrong, Ben.
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of the British public saw that action that
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day, which is amazing.
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we got in 12 front pages last year
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as well, mostly because of that action.
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one in terms of reaching people, I think
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that was the most successful.
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And congrats to you.
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It's a shame that people have to risk
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injury, death and arrest in order to get
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mainstream media coverage, which is why we started
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Unshamed TV after 38 years in the mainstream
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media business.
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I can tell you, I've been behind the
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curtain and you know who runs media?
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The advertisers, fast food and pharmaceuticals.
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So no wonder they're not covering this or
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not covering it fairly.
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Nilo Farr in Dallas, Texas, your question or
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thought for Animal Rising.
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Hi, watching the few moments of police brutality
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was just stunning to me.
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I honestly couldn't fathom it.
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My question is, yeah, so this was a
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direct action event at the horse racing and
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118 arrests.
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We saw the police brutality.
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What are the conditions in the UK prisons
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for animal activists?
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In the US, it is absolutely degrading, unhealthy
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and unsafe as documented by Wayne Chung recently.
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And there you see Wayne Chung.
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Thank you for that great question on the
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screen.
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And he is the leader of the Open
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Rescue Movement.
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We're gonna talk about him in just a
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second.
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But Ben, what's it like?
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Is it tea and crumpets or is it
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pretty brutal?
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So I was in prison for a month
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last year.
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So both Rose and I have been arrested
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probably about 20 times.
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And so that's when you go to a
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police cell, which it's all right.
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It's sort of like going to a really
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boring, really shit hotel generally.
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Wait, most of the time that's it for
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protesters at least.
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Prison, you know, you are in, I was
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in Wandsworth Prison, which is a big old
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Victorian prison.
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You don't get out yourself.
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You only get out sometimes not at all.
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Sometimes for an hour.
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Sometimes if you're lucky for two, there is,
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you can eat vegan food.
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You choose your food, but you have to,
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sometimes it ends up being baked beans, rice
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and pasta.
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So it was all right.
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My temperament, I think, is okay for prison.
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I just did lots of press-ups, wrote
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journal and read books.
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But yeah, it's not tea and crumpets, no.
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Well, yeah, it's brutal.
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And having been a reporter who's gone into
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prisons numerous times to interview people, and also
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they made me do a series where I
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was arrested as a prisoner and put through
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the whole system and thrown in a jail
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cell.
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It's horrible.
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It's horrible.
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And that's what these folks are putting themselves
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through.
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To send a message to people that is
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an alarm bell about what's going on with
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our planet as a result of animal agriculture.
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And instead of getting applauded, they get a
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slap in the face.
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It's beyond comprehension to me.
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We've got to wake up people.
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It's like our house is on fire, as
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Greta Thunberg said.
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Tiffany in Los Angeles, your question or thought
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for Animal Rising.
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Yes, thank you, Jane.
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And thank you both for risking your personal
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freedom and physical injuries.
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I don't know anything about the group and
446
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a friend described it as a cross between
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ALF and EXE.
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Can you tell me a little bit about
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your mission?
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00:16:35,950 --> 00:16:37,050
Great question.
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You know, you guys are coming onto the
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US world stage, but you're obviously very famous
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in England.
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And there is a backstory there about, well,
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animal rebellion, extinction rebellion.
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What can you tell us?
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Yeah, so we formed in 2019.
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Yeah, as we said, we were called Animal
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Rebellion and we're kind of like a sister
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organisation to Extinction Rebellion, who are obviously very
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climate focused.
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And the original reason for Animal Rebellion to
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form was, it was actually supposed to be
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just a short term campaign to inject the
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need for like a plant-based food system
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into the climate messaging, because no one was
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talking about animal agriculture and its effect on
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climate change.
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So yeah, I was really excited when Extinction
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Rebellion started doing actions.
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But yeah, just really disappointed that they weren't
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talking about animal agriculture.
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Yeah, that's when Dan Kidby, who's still with
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us, one of the co-founders plus other
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people, formed Animal Rebellion.
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And so yeah, we were very climate focused
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as well as bringing in the animal message.
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But at the beginning, it was very much
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climate focused.
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And over the first couple of years, we
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actually started seeing progress within the climate movement,
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more groups including Extinction Rebellion using our messaging
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basically about the need to transition to a
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plant-based food system.
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And so yeah, I feel like we've achieved
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that mission, like that goal.
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Of course, it'd be great to see other
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climate groups doing that even more than they
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are already.
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But yeah, I think we were successful in
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that sense.
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And now we've been bringing the animal message
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in more as well, doing things like rescuing,
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liberating beagles and like the Grand National, but
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using those actions and those events to draw
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attention to the wider issue of the suffering
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of all animals.
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It's about ending the exploitation of all animals.
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Yeah, for both them and the planet.
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00:18:39,050 --> 00:18:42,510
Well, speaking of actions, we're gonna get to
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a couple of other really dramatic actions.
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And I think you're showing in this video,
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let's check out the rescue of three lambs
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from the estate of the King of England,
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King Charles.
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Animal rights campaigners have taken three lambs from
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the King Sandringham estate in Norfolk.
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I've been an animal lover my whole life.
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When you see a lamb jumping around a
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field, you can't help but be filled with
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joy, regardless of if you connect with the
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reason why they're there.
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It's not the differences that matter, it's what's
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similar.
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We can all experience fear, we can all
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experience pain, but also experience love and happiness
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and freedom.
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And that's what we want to give to
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these animals.
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If we don't save these sheep, essentially what
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will happen, the lambs will get taken to
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a slaughterhouse.
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Whereas if we go and rescue them, they
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can actually live out their lives in peace
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and never experience the fear of a slaughterhouse.
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We just don't think it needs to be
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like this.
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No animal or anyone should be born into
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a life of exploitation.
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There's no need to be treating them like
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that.
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And by breeding them and farming them, we
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are destroying our native landscape.
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We are causing a biodiversity crisis that is
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speeding us towards climate catastrophe.
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We can't continue like this.
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There are barely any trees, everything's being deforested.
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Animal agriculture is the leading cause of the
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biodiversity crisis.
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It's one of the leading causes of the
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climate crisis.
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It is one of the most harmful industries
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that there is on this planet, but we
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can transition out of this.
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So you were there.
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First of all, tell us what it was
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like going on to the estate of the
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King of England.
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00:20:17,790 --> 00:20:20,070
This sounds like something out of Knights of
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the Round Table and taking these lambs, rescuing
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them.
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00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:30,590
Yeah, so King Charles owns a lot of
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land in the UK.
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People may not realise, but yeah, you couldn't
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00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:36,490
really tell that you were on King Charles'
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land.
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He has massive, massive estates and we located
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a sheep farm on his estate where we
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saw that it was during lambing season.
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And of course, we know what's going to
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happen to those lambs.
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They're either going to go straight to slaughter
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or be used for breeding other lambs who
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will be going to slaughter as well.
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00:21:00,090 --> 00:21:02,890
I mean, obviously going to King Charles' estate
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is a way to get media attention.
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00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:08,150
If you go to a regular sheep, yeah,
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00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:09,530
basically if we'd gone to a regular sheep
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farm, we know we wouldn't have got front
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page news, but because we went to King
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Charles' estate, we made it onto the front
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page of the newspaper the following day.
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00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:23,410
And yeah, I would say it was stressful.
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00:21:23,790 --> 00:21:25,490
Obviously, yeah, you want to be successful.
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00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:30,510
And yeah, just the pressure of getting the
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lambs and taking them and just like knowing
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that you're having to make that choice as
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well of who to take.
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00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:39,650
It's just like this horrible feeling of, yeah,
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00:21:39,690 --> 00:21:42,330
it's basically a luck of the draw, basically
581
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for the lambs.
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00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:44,810
Obviously, they don't know what's happening, but yeah,
583
00:21:44,850 --> 00:21:47,350
it just felt really strange having to choose
584
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who was going.
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And yeah, we took Sunny City and yeah,
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all the way to Sanctuary where they're now
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very safe.
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And yeah, the media were very interested in
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locating the lambs.
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The Daily Mail made it their mission to
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try to locate them.
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And we're going to Sanctuaries and yeah, trying
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00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:06,470
to locate them.
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00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:07,370
But yeah, they're safe.
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And a few days ago, we released a
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photo of them all grown up now.
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So yeah, it's really nice to see that
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they're living their lives out in peace.
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And yeah, it's unfortunate that the rest of
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the lambs in that field now- I
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have to say Prince Charles, correct me if
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00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:24,430
I'm wrong, is some kind of environmental activist,
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00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:26,150
environmental advocate.
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00:22:26,570 --> 00:22:28,710
Seems like he's always talking about, and that's,
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00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:31,630
I'm not knocking him, like better than saying
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it doesn't, climate change doesn't exist.
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00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:38,710
However, what do you say, Ben, to his
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obvious inability to connect animal agriculture since he's
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00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:46,330
participating in raising these lambs for slaughter?
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00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:50,690
Yeah, I mean, Kings of Charles isn't the
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00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:50,970
worst.
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00:22:51,090 --> 00:22:53,210
We haven't, I suppose, got a problem specifically
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with King Charles.
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00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:57,450
He's, as they come, isn't too bad, but
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he's also, so he's a symbol with a
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massive amount of influence.
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00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,130
But he's, but the big problem is he's
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the, so in the UK, the UK is
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00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:08,590
a very strange place and the royal family
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00:23:08,590 --> 00:23:10,090
own huge amounts of land.
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And almost all of that is the sheep
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farming.
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00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:15,510
And for us, sheep farming is the most
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00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:15,950
inefficient.
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00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:17,710
The UK, if anyone's been to the UK,
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is nearly 20% of the UK is
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00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:20,790
covered in sheep farming.
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And we only get about 1% of
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our calories from it.
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00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:25,950
So it's the most ridiculous, ridiculous way to
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00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:26,410
use land.
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00:23:27,470 --> 00:23:28,880
So yeah, he should stop doing that.
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00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:31,670
But I was going to say, I think,
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is King Charles even, as one of the
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00:23:36,250 --> 00:23:38,810
witnesses in your case, I can't remember now,
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00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:41,270
his name pops up somewhere.
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00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:45,790
Oh yeah, he is like, he's confirmed in
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00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:48,310
the evidence that he owns the land.
639
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,030
Obviously we don't agree with owning, but yeah,
640
00:23:50,050 --> 00:23:52,690
it confirms that King Charles owns the lands.
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00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:54,630
But in court, so yeah, we do have
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00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:56,110
a trial coming up with a jury at
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00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:56,790
the end of this year.
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00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:59,170
Although King Charles won't be president as far
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00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:00,610
as I know, it will be his, they
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00:24:00,610 --> 00:24:02,610
call them like the farmer or like the
647
00:24:02,610 --> 00:24:03,490
stockman basically.
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00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:06,190
So unfortunately Charles isn't going to be president.
649
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:09,190
But I mean, isn't there a way to
650
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:10,170
capitalise on this?
651
00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:12,490
People are obsessed with the Royal family and
652
00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:14,430
frankly I have nothing against them as individuals.
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00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:16,350
My heart goes out to King Charles who's
654
00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:20,090
had a cancer diagnosis as well as other
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members of the Royal family.
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00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:23,770
I mean, they're people, but if you are
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saying that you are an environmental activist and
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you want to save the environment and you
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are one of the biggest, if not the
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biggest sheep farmers in the United Kingdom, there's
661
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,530
a complete hypocrisy there.
662
00:24:39,650 --> 00:24:40,510
There's a disconnect.
663
00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:44,330
Is there a way to use this trial
664
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as a vehicle to get that word out?
665
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:51,750
Not in a nasty way, but just in
666
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:52,890
a factual way.
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00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:54,010
Rose.
668
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:55,990
Oh yeah, 100%.
669
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:59,010
I think that's something we'll definitely do.
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00:24:59,150 --> 00:25:01,810
I think reaching out to King Charles for
671
00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:04,090
a statement and try and have positive dialogue
672
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:04,530
with him.
673
00:25:04,650 --> 00:25:07,290
We're not targeting him or saying he's doing
674
00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:07,670
anything wrong.
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00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:10,290
We actually said, we genuinely believe if he
676
00:25:10,290 --> 00:25:15,510
knew the environmental impact of sheep farming, if
677
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:18,290
he knew the true cost of sheep farming,
678
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:21,090
plus if he'd known exactly what happens to
679
00:25:21,090 --> 00:25:22,810
lambs when they get slaughtered, he would have
680
00:25:22,810 --> 00:25:24,430
actually agreed with what we were doing.
681
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:26,990
So yeah, I think if anyone had been
682
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:30,190
in a lamb slaughterhouse, they would agree to
683
00:25:30,190 --> 00:25:31,470
saving their lives.
684
00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:33,030
So yeah, we'll definitely reach out.
685
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:34,390
I just want to disagree with you on
686
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:35,070
one thing.
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00:25:35,910 --> 00:25:38,310
Respectfully, you have to be living with your
688
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:41,770
head under a pile of rocks, not to
689
00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:45,630
have, if you're an environmental expert and you're
690
00:25:45,630 --> 00:25:47,390
the head of the royal family and you
691
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:49,430
have all these experts at your command, not
692
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:50,190
to know this.
693
00:25:50,730 --> 00:25:53,290
I mean, yes, the mainstream media suppresses and
694
00:25:53,290 --> 00:25:55,710
there's been studies showing the mainstream media, which
695
00:25:55,710 --> 00:25:58,690
is supported by advertisers, who are the industries
696
00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:02,050
that are creating the problem, fast food, pharmaceuticals,
697
00:26:02,090 --> 00:26:02,490
et cetera.
698
00:26:03,290 --> 00:26:05,490
They're not talking about it, but it's not
699
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:07,130
like it's a secret.
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00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:11,450
The United Nations, what, back in 2006, had
701
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:13,830
a report called Livestock's Long Shadow that showed
702
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:17,410
that animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse
703
00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:20,070
gas emissions than all transportation combined.
704
00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:25,810
The idea that, oh, I just didn't know,
705
00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:27,690
we all know and we could think back
706
00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:31,350
in history of times where that was just
707
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:33,210
a cop-out for atrocity.
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00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:36,910
I don't buy the, oh, I didn't know
709
00:26:36,910 --> 00:26:38,270
argument anymore.
710
00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:40,970
Maybe 20 years ago, but not now, Ben.
711
00:26:43,030 --> 00:26:45,810
Yeah, well, it sounds like you should give
712
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:47,170
King Charles a call and tell him.
713
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:49,450
Yeah, yeah.
714
00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:51,370
Oh yeah, of course, of course.
715
00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:53,170
But I think that's actually part of the
716
00:26:53,170 --> 00:26:53,490
defence.
717
00:26:53,690 --> 00:26:55,330
So I think Rose is referring to, she's
718
00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:59,310
actually, so the, in the UK, that's a
719
00:26:59,310 --> 00:27:00,770
defence that you can use.
720
00:27:01,410 --> 00:27:03,790
Had they known, they would have allowed me
721
00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:04,190
to do it.
722
00:27:04,270 --> 00:27:05,350
They would have allowed me to take them.
723
00:27:06,910 --> 00:27:08,830
So that's actually part of the defence that
724
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:09,370
you can argue.
725
00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:13,070
Had they really known, they would have allowed
726
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:13,650
me to do it.
727
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:15,670
So you can steal someone's property if you
728
00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:16,950
were doing it for the right reason, if
729
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:17,650
I understand correctly.
730
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:18,910
So that's what Rose is referring to.
731
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:21,510
But yeah, I do think King Charles probably
732
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:21,890
does know.
733
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:25,570
Yeah, and I mean, you had mentioned in
734
00:27:25,570 --> 00:27:27,970
one of your videos, which by the way,
735
00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:30,050
we're happy to say, once again, are streaming
736
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:32,970
on Unchained TV, including this interview, if you
737
00:27:32,970 --> 00:27:34,510
want to watch it again later.
738
00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:38,770
And Animal Rising has their own channel now
739
00:27:38,770 --> 00:27:40,610
on Unchained TV, and I'm so thrilled.
740
00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:44,110
You know, I'll be honest, I ran into
741
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:45,850
them because I had tried to reach out
742
00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:47,370
to Extinction Rebellion.
743
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:48,930
I thought, let's get some of those videos
744
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:49,170
on.
745
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:49,970
I didn't hear back.
746
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:51,970
So then I said, well, there's something called
747
00:27:51,970 --> 00:27:54,210
Animal Rebellion, and then I got a notice
748
00:27:54,210 --> 00:27:56,530
about Animal Rising, and I realised it was
749
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:57,890
an offshoot of that group.
750
00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,650
But Extinction Rebellion, the offer still stands.
751
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:05,030
We'd love to stream your video, and we'd
752
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:06,470
love you to talk a little bit more.
753
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:08,750
You've begun, but talk even a little bit
754
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:11,890
more about the connection between animal agriculture and
755
00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:12,610
climate change.
756
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:17,890
But you know, as you move forward, what
757
00:28:17,890 --> 00:28:19,210
is your strategy?
758
00:28:19,210 --> 00:28:21,710
You've proven that you can get headlines.
759
00:28:22,590 --> 00:28:23,750
What's next, Rose?
760
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:28,670
Well, I guess each year we kind of
761
00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:32,250
restrategize or like evaluate, look at what we're
762
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:32,490
doing.
763
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:34,290
And I guess the end of last year,
764
00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:38,390
after all of those very intense actions, highly
765
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:41,070
disruptive actions, so we did multiple horse races,
766
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:42,170
also a greyhound race.
767
00:28:42,550 --> 00:28:44,870
We realised it was time to kind of
768
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:48,290
calm down a little bit with the high
769
00:28:48,290 --> 00:28:50,630
stakes actions, because yeah, they are really risky,
770
00:28:50,730 --> 00:28:53,050
like you said, in terms of people's freedom,
771
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:55,530
but also like physically they're risky for people
772
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:55,830
too.
773
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:58,590
And so over the last six months, we've
774
00:28:58,590 --> 00:29:01,290
been working on a campaign, which we can't
775
00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:02,790
actually talk about right now, which is really
776
00:29:02,790 --> 00:29:03,230
frustrating.
777
00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:04,910
So we're normally really open about what we're
778
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:05,250
doing.
779
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:08,110
But yeah, we're going to announce it in
780
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:09,610
a couple of weeks, basically, or at least
781
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:10,190
part of it.
782
00:29:10,750 --> 00:29:12,530
So we can't announce everything right now, but
783
00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:15,750
I'd say, yeah, our strategy has changed in
784
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:17,690
the last year or so to, I guess
785
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:19,470
we're just reflecting on the fact that direct
786
00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:22,290
action isn't the only way to make change.
787
00:29:22,670 --> 00:29:23,930
And for the first few years, that was
788
00:29:23,930 --> 00:29:24,670
our main focus.
789
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:26,170
And it still is a big part of
790
00:29:26,170 --> 00:29:26,670
what we're doing.
791
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:27,930
And it's something we're really good at, but
792
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:30,650
we're also acknowledging these other areas that we
793
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:32,850
need to work on as well.
794
00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:36,850
Like I mentioned, institutional change in universities, in
795
00:29:36,850 --> 00:29:37,850
councils as well.
796
00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:40,490
And then also starting dialogue with those that
797
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:43,250
we don't always have the same or like
798
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:45,530
aligned values with like farmers.
799
00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:49,450
And so, yeah, basically, maybe Ben can talk
800
00:29:49,450 --> 00:29:50,910
a bit more about the university's campaign.
801
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:53,490
But yeah, that's something that we're, yeah, we're
802
00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:55,010
seeing like massive success with that as well
803
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:56,750
as like a student-led campaign.
804
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:58,370
But yeah, so I'd say our current strategy
805
00:29:58,370 --> 00:30:03,290
is to create this like ecosystem of multiple
806
00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:06,690
campaigns that are all directed towards the same
807
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,510
goal of a transition to a plant-based
808
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:09,110
food system.
809
00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:12,170
But they're all using like different tactics and
810
00:30:12,170 --> 00:30:13,030
techniques to do that.
811
00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:17,610
I agree, we absolutely have to reach universities
812
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:19,130
and even high schools.
813
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:23,590
I just did a video of the first
814
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,250
VegFest at UCLA.
815
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:27,610
And it was a whole bunch of animal
816
00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:29,270
groups that got together, no infighting.
817
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:31,590
I said, the kids can learn something from
818
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:33,730
the adults or the adults can learn something
819
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:34,530
from the kids rather.
820
00:30:34,770 --> 00:30:37,450
And they put this great VegFest on and
821
00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:39,950
they said, we wanna export this to universities
822
00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:42,070
and even high schools all around the world
823
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:44,810
to have universities and high schools having VegFest.
824
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,450
So maybe you wanna get in touch with
825
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:48,770
them because that would also be an incredible
826
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:49,070
way.
827
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:51,090
But I think the general idea is that
828
00:30:51,090 --> 00:30:52,830
we've got to look to the next generation.
829
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:54,510
Is there change?
830
00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:57,830
You know, Ben, the United Kingdom, particularly London,
831
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:59,210
which I've been to, we did a whole
832
00:30:59,210 --> 00:31:02,470
tour of vegan England tour, is one of
833
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:04,550
the most vegan places on the planet.
834
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:07,450
Do you see, because there's a lot of
835
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:09,630
attacking now of the vegan movement.
836
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:13,090
Piers Morgan did a whole segment is veganism
837
00:31:13,090 --> 00:31:14,970
dying.
838
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:18,510
He's very nasty and vitriolic about the vegan
839
00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:18,810
movement.
840
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:19,630
I don't know why.
841
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:21,210
Maybe he had a bad date with a
842
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:23,570
vegan once or something, but it's really gnarly.
843
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:26,330
And we had one of our hosts on,
844
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:28,150
Jamie Logan, debating with him.
845
00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:30,350
And she certainly looked healthy enough to put
846
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:30,950
it mildly.
847
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:32,970
But I mean, he was trying to make
848
00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:33,450
the case.
849
00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:36,610
Now, even stocks, even the hottest stocks, they
850
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:37,850
don't just go straight up.
851
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:40,370
There's always a little bit of, you know,
852
00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:42,750
so, oh yeah, some vegan restaurants are closing.
853
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:44,330
Some new ones are opening.
854
00:31:45,950 --> 00:31:48,170
Some stock prices are going down.
855
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:50,950
But then I was just at the Natural
856
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:53,930
Products Expo West in Anaheim, California.
857
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:56,590
And it's the largest natural products expo in
858
00:31:56,590 --> 00:31:56,890
the world.
859
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:58,770
And it seemed like every other, or almost
860
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:01,550
every booth was a vegan booth or had
861
00:32:01,550 --> 00:32:02,250
vegan options.
862
00:32:02,590 --> 00:32:03,770
I don't think it's dying.
863
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:06,910
I think it's rippling under the surface, ready
864
00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:07,570
to explode.
865
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:10,750
What do you think out of the United
866
00:32:10,750 --> 00:32:11,170
Kingdom?
867
00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:16,390
Well, from the work we're doing, it's going
868
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:16,870
quite well.
869
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:19,730
So for example, the plant-based universities campaign,
870
00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:20,710
I'll just explain what it is.
871
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:23,530
We're passing motions through student unions for 100
872
00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:25,850
% plant-based campuses.
873
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:27,470
Well, it's first the student unions, which in
874
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:29,950
the UK normally control a few restaurants.
875
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:33,830
And we've done that in 10 universities in
876
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:34,290
the UK.
877
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:36,510
And we're doing it now in Europe.
878
00:32:36,510 --> 00:32:39,390
And we've got one successfully passed.
879
00:32:39,650 --> 00:32:41,130
And so we've got 60 campaigns in the
880
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,210
UK, 20 in Europe.
881
00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:44,830
And we're able to pass motions for 100
882
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:46,630
% plant-based campuses with student votes.
883
00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:47,330
They're democratic.
884
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:49,930
And if you tried to do this five
885
00:32:49,930 --> 00:32:51,330
years ago, six years ago, even for a
886
00:32:51,330 --> 00:32:52,470
meat-free Monday, it would be more or
887
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:52,990
less impossible.
888
00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:56,590
So younger people, students understand animal farming is,
889
00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:00,630
younger people who take climate change and the
890
00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:02,990
destruction of the planet seriously are okay with
891
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:06,190
voting for 100% plant-based catering in
892
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:06,910
their student unions.
893
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:09,470
And then we're progressing to tackle the whole
894
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:09,990
universities.
895
00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:12,110
And we've done the same thing in councils
896
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,750
where councillors are voting for all their internal
897
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:15,970
events to be 100% plant-based.
898
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:18,570
So for us, we don't really track, we're
899
00:33:18,570 --> 00:33:20,830
not involved in the vegan, what we call
900
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:22,270
vegan capitalism so much.
901
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:23,930
And I know that's been not been going
902
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:25,710
so well in some respects, or at least
903
00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:26,550
that's what some people say.
904
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:28,850
But from where we're looking, we're finding it
905
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:32,490
fairly easy or a lot easier to get
906
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:34,470
what we'd call transformative change than I think
907
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,290
it would have ever been before.
908
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:37,410
And then soon we hope to, and what
909
00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:39,430
we're doing is we're organising university students, hundreds
910
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:39,770
of them.
911
00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:42,790
So we've got hopefully 200 UK students coming
912
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:45,130
to summer camps this summer and 100 going
913
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:46,550
to a German summer camp this summer.
914
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:48,470
And we hope to then now do the
915
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:50,890
same thing with school students as well, where
916
00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:53,190
we organise school students themselves to run campaigns.
917
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:54,590
And that's different to what we do.
918
00:33:54,670 --> 00:33:56,910
We don't contact universities directly.
919
00:33:57,090 --> 00:33:59,770
We give people the tools and the training
920
00:33:59,770 --> 00:34:01,390
to run campaigns and win them themselves.
921
00:34:02,030 --> 00:34:04,230
So from our perspective, we're doing okay.
922
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:08,190
Yeah, but don't give up your direct actions.
923
00:34:08,469 --> 00:34:09,810
Boy, I do love them.
924
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:12,630
I think they're very, very powerful and impactful.
925
00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:15,770
Easy for me to stay from my armchair,
926
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:16,110
right?
927
00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:17,550
While you guys are going out there and
928
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:19,850
taking the risks and getting arrested.
929
00:34:20,350 --> 00:34:24,550
And every single time you make news, check
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00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:29,190
out this video of Animal Rising occupying a
931
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:31,030
United Kingdom dairy farm.
932
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:33,210
And by the way, for those watching and
933
00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:35,870
think there's nothing wrong with dairy, just take
934
00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:36,090
a look.
935
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:37,310
Everyone does love animals.
936
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:39,610
And it's just the case of really acting
937
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:42,170
on that as a society and as a
938
00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:42,489
planet.
939
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:44,790
We're here today at this dairy farm where
940
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:47,030
there are thousands of baby calves.
941
00:34:47,370 --> 00:34:50,429
Rows and rows of little babies trapped.
942
00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:54,850
They're in these little plastic pens in isolation
943
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:56,910
and away from their mothers so that we
944
00:34:56,910 --> 00:34:57,790
can have their milk.
945
00:34:58,030 --> 00:34:59,610
We don't need to use animals.
946
00:34:59,610 --> 00:35:01,550
And if we say we love them, our
947
00:35:01,550 --> 00:35:03,130
actions need to line up with that.
948
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:04,110
And this isn't it.
949
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:05,850
This isn't what love looks like.
950
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:07,630
It doesn't have to be this way.
951
00:35:07,830 --> 00:35:09,190
You can tell this isn't right.
952
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:11,230
They seek that interaction they should be getting
953
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:12,030
from their mothers.
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00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:14,170
Over here, they're running around.
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00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:16,370
They want to play and they have no
956
00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:16,810
space.
957
00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:18,330
This is completely unnatural.
958
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:21,050
You've only got to see the heartbreaking situation
959
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:22,630
that's here at this moment in time.
960
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:24,690
And you can see that our system is
961
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:25,930
fundamentally broken.
962
00:35:26,430 --> 00:35:29,670
We're all trapped in a system which is
963
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:32,590
just based on greed and reducing everything to
964
00:35:32,590 --> 00:35:33,590
numbers.
965
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:36,310
And this farm isn't the exception.
966
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:37,070
It's the rule.
967
00:35:37,350 --> 00:35:40,630
These animals are victims in a terrible system.
968
00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:42,790
It's a monster and it's horrific.
969
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:45,890
If we stop using animals and we move
970
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:48,290
away from having them in our food system
971
00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:50,050
and towards a plant-based food system, it's
972
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:52,110
not just creating a future for them.
973
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,910
It's creating a better future for all of
974
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:54,250
us.
975
00:35:54,510 --> 00:35:56,590
We need to stop these industries that harm
976
00:35:56,590 --> 00:35:59,170
animals completely, whether that be in animal agriculture,
977
00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:02,570
in horse racing, in animal testing.
978
00:36:03,070 --> 00:36:04,850
The way we exploit animals is so prevalent
979
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:06,210
and so ingrained in our society.
980
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:07,790
It's so completely unnecessary.
981
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:10,290
And if we claim to be this nation
982
00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:12,630
of animal lovers that we so often say
983
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:15,870
we are, then things need to drastically change.
984
00:36:17,150 --> 00:36:18,630
Wow, so powerful.
985
00:36:18,810 --> 00:36:21,850
And again, we started off today with breaking
986
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:25,810
news because yes, the animals are suffering, but
987
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:30,010
this is also affecting people, consumers.
988
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:32,690
The largest U.S. egg producer detects bird
989
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:33,970
flu at Texas plant.
990
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:36,790
Largest U.S. egg producer detects bird flu.
991
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,730
These are the headlines all across the United
992
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:39,390
States today.
993
00:36:40,010 --> 00:36:43,310
Bird flu detected at the largest chicken egg
994
00:36:43,310 --> 00:36:44,330
manufacturer.
995
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:48,210
And dairy cattle in Texas and Kansas test
996
00:36:48,210 --> 00:36:48,770
positive.
997
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:51,190
And if you say, well, this isn't going
998
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,750
to affect me, I don't understand how people
999
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:54,950
can sleep at night.
1000
00:36:55,390 --> 00:37:00,370
When, let me just read one article, one
1001
00:37:00,370 --> 00:37:01,970
sentence from the article.
1002
00:37:02,650 --> 00:37:05,470
Bird flu has cost the government roughly $660
1003
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:05,830
million.
1004
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:11,230
No, the government is what's keeping all these
1005
00:37:11,230 --> 00:37:16,270
industries alive with their insurance payouts and their
1006
00:37:16,270 --> 00:37:16,790
subsidies.
1007
00:37:17,330 --> 00:37:19,730
But in recent times, this has raised the
1008
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:21,010
price of eggs and poultry.
1009
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:24,790
Again, why do we have to look at
1010
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:26,630
it just in terms of price?
1011
00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:32,190
When frankly, people would be healthier by eliminating
1012
00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:33,970
this food from their diet.
1013
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:38,430
And then it says at least 58 million
1014
00:37:38,430 --> 00:37:42,930
birds were slaughtered last year to spread, limit
1015
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:44,250
the spread of the virus.
1016
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:48,450
At least 58 million birds were slaughtered last
1017
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:50,390
year to limit the spread of the virus.
1018
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:52,550
And I think they're talking about just the
1019
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:53,250
United States.
1020
00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:56,730
Now, anybody who can read that, and this
1021
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:57,850
is one of the things that I had
1022
00:37:57,850 --> 00:37:59,250
a problem with when I was a mainstream
1023
00:37:59,250 --> 00:38:00,150
media reporter.
1024
00:38:00,630 --> 00:38:03,450
You're not allowed to say, oh, isn't that
1025
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:03,950
terrible?
1026
00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:08,070
Because you have to disregard that as almost
1027
00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:09,590
just economic news.
1028
00:38:10,170 --> 00:38:12,270
And that's part of the sickness of our
1029
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:12,710
system.
1030
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:16,490
And that's why people like Ben and Rose
1031
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:18,270
have to go out there and get arrested.
1032
00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:21,530
Because if they were simply to say, wow,
1033
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:25,110
this is not just animal suffering, it's posing
1034
00:38:25,110 --> 00:38:27,090
a risk to us to wit.
1035
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:32,590
The CDC just issued this, highly pathogenic avian
1036
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:37,650
influenza A H5N1 virus infection reported in a
1037
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:41,150
person in the US, still maintaining that the
1038
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:42,690
risk of the general public is low.
1039
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:43,950
But that's scary.
1040
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:45,670
All of us who have lived through the
1041
00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:50,290
pandemic, which again was certainly a zoonotic illness,
1042
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:52,890
whether it started, which it most likely did
1043
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:55,910
in the wet market in Wuhan, China, where
1044
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:58,050
all these animals were being slaughtered and there
1045
00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:00,650
was faeces and blood and pus and wild
1046
00:39:00,650 --> 00:39:03,390
animals mixed with domestic animals, or whether it
1047
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:05,850
started nearby in the Wuhan lab where bats
1048
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:06,650
were being tortured.
1049
00:39:07,210 --> 00:39:08,590
It was our abusive animals.
1050
00:39:08,590 --> 00:39:10,670
And we just lived through that pandemic.
1051
00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:13,810
And I just spent three years, I never
1052
00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:17,130
got it, isolating in this place right here
1053
00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:17,690
where I'm sitting.
1054
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:20,290
And still the general public and the US
1055
00:39:20,290 --> 00:39:22,550
government and governments around the world are not
1056
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:23,390
connecting the dots.
1057
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:27,610
Honestly, I'm fed up as a taxpayer and
1058
00:39:27,610 --> 00:39:29,730
a citizen of this world who doesn't wanna
1059
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:32,930
have to go into hiding again for another
1060
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:34,850
three years because of another pandemic.
1061
00:39:35,490 --> 00:39:37,030
I mean, what the hell's going on?
1062
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:38,650
What is it gonna take?
1063
00:39:38,830 --> 00:39:40,530
And I would like to round Robin this.
1064
00:39:40,590 --> 00:39:41,550
What do you think, Rose?
1065
00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:47,020
I mean, yeah, it's such a massive problem,
1066
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:47,700
I think.
1067
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,880
I mean, yeah, it's quite frustrating seeing people
1068
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800
just going back to like business as usual
1069
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400
after the pandemic and after everyone having to
1070
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:55,940
go into lockdown.
1071
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:58,800
And then I guess, yeah, during that time,
1072
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:01,020
we were still doing actions where we could.
1073
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,420
And it was, yeah, an interesting time to
1074
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:05,600
plan actions because, yeah, we were trying to
1075
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,540
do things socially distanced and things, and hoping
1076
00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:11,140
that, yeah, the pandemic would change things.
1077
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:13,020
But yeah, I guess it just feels like
1078
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:16,000
almost nothing happened and everyone's forgotten that that
1079
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,480
ever happened.
1080
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,320
And people aren't changing their behaviour because of
1081
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:18,560
that.
1082
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:22,580
And yeah, it's just, it is beyond belief
1083
00:40:22,580 --> 00:40:25,340
like how dissociated people are.
1084
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Like people are not making that connection or
1085
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,700
not wanting to make the connection between what
1086
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,140
they're eating and pandemics or what they're eating
1087
00:40:31,140 --> 00:40:35,640
and climate change and also animal suffering.
1088
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,880
So yeah.
1089
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:38,320
We're gonna jump in again because we've got
1090
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:38,860
another caller.
1091
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:40,980
Sarah in Venice Beach, California.
1092
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:42,960
Your question or thought for Animal Rising.
1093
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:47,160
Hi, I actually have a question.
1094
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:49,460
I wanted to find out, do you think
1095
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,640
the reason why they're trying to ban TikTok
1096
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,020
is because they don't want people to see
1097
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:55,720
all the cruelty?
1098
00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:58,660
Because I feel like now that I was
1099
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:00,780
thinking about this, about TikTok the other day,
1100
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,400
it's really depressing.
1101
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,740
I don't wanna watch it, but it seems
1102
00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:08,780
to wake people up to what's really going
1103
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:09,160
on.
1104
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,800
And I wanted to find out, do you
1105
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,640
think that's good?
1106
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,140
Or what is the number one way that
1107
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,560
you can reach the youth of our nation
1108
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
to find out what's really going on?
1109
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:21,640
Because I feel like it's still really being
1110
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,180
suppressed.
1111
00:41:22,580 --> 00:41:23,640
So thank you so much.
1112
00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:24,980
Thanks.
1113
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:25,880
Good question, Ben.
1114
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:26,640
What do you say?
1115
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,060
Well, actually we keep having our TikTok taken
1116
00:41:29,060 --> 00:41:29,720
down actually.
1117
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,400
Cause yeah, TikTok does reach, but it's quite
1118
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:34,120
strict actually.
1119
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,440
It's specifically on TikTok.
1120
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,340
So that's our one platform that I think
1121
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,840
anything that looks a little bit illegal, they
1122
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,380
just take down.
1123
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,700
But how do you reach young people?
1124
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:46,740
I don't know.
1125
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:50,040
We're on Instagram, Facebook's a bit for older
1126
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,700
people, we use Instagram, but we do get
1127
00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:54,420
a lot of news.
1128
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:56,980
And getting viral videos, we've got a lot
1129
00:41:56,980 --> 00:42:00,100
better at designing viral videos, which I take
1130
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:00,800
off on Twitter.
1131
00:42:00,980 --> 00:42:02,260
And we've had somewhere like 10s of millions,
1132
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,220
while we're on with 15 million views.
1133
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,040
So I'm not sure, I'm afraid if I
1134
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,220
had the exact answers to that, probably wouldn't
1135
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:11,160
be in the state we're in.
1136
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,180
Well, I look back to my youth when
1137
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:16,800
I was in high school and college was
1138
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,920
the Vietnam War.
1139
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:19,460
That's what everybody was talking about.
1140
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,620
And the protests were enormous.
1141
00:42:22,940 --> 00:42:25,580
And I remember hearing a famous musician.
1142
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,820
And honestly, I wish I could remember, was
1143
00:42:27,820 --> 00:42:29,380
it Joan Baez or Joni Mitchell?
1144
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:33,400
One of them was saying, the movement was
1145
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,220
a political movement until music entered the picture.
1146
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:41,080
And once music started, songs started being written
1147
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,460
about the Vietnam War, all of a sudden
1148
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:46,600
it became a cultural and a social phenomenon.
1149
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,900
And that's when all the quote unquote, kids,
1150
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:54,140
the students, the college students really got on
1151
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:54,560
board.
1152
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,280
And that's why I think what you're doing
1153
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,260
in colleges is really important.
1154
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,980
But what about bringing in that music component?
1155
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,340
That's one of the reasons why we put
1156
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:06,380
up a music category on Unchained TV.
1157
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:09,740
Anybody who's written anything about animal suffering, I've
1158
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:11,120
written a couple of songs myself.
1159
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,380
We invite you to do a music video
1160
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,840
because it's a video channel and submit it.
1161
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,940
We'd be happy assuming it meets certain technical
1162
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:21,280
criteria to put it up.
1163
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,820
But where are we?
1164
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,400
If you look at the example of the
1165
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,060
Vietnam War protests, the anti-war protests, which
1166
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:31,420
really went from a political issue to a
1167
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:34,220
cultural issue that enveloped anybody, everybody.
1168
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:36,780
Where are we on that, Rose?
1169
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:41,240
Yeah, I think we're so far from that
1170
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:41,860
right now.
1171
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:43,920
But I think it's really important.
1172
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,900
I guess it's like two ways to approach
1173
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:47,460
it like in the music industry, because yeah,
1174
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,000
you can have like animal rights activists or
1175
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,440
vegans creating music.
1176
00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:53,280
However, I don't think many people or to
1177
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,020
reach people with that music is quite difficult.
1178
00:43:55,380 --> 00:43:56,820
But I think really we need to be,
1179
00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:59,820
well, the ideal would be for people that
1180
00:43:59,820 --> 00:44:02,560
already have influence, like Billie Eilish, for example.
1181
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:03,980
She's vegan.
1182
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:07,660
She's already speaking out for animals and against
1183
00:44:07,660 --> 00:44:08,600
climate change as well.
1184
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,060
And she's already got that platform.
1185
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:11,820
So I think we need more people like
1186
00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:12,180
her.
1187
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,380
Also people like Cillian Murphy, who stars in
1188
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:14,980
Oppenheimer.
1189
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,000
He recently came out as going vegan or
1190
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:18,700
at least plant-based.
1191
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:21,300
So I think we are slowly seeing more
1192
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,220
people with celebrity status, which to me, it
1193
00:44:26,220 --> 00:44:27,880
shouldn't matter if it's a celebrity thing.
1194
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,600
But yeah, those people do have influence on
1195
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young people and the general public.
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And I think it's important that those people
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do speak out for animals.
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And it is nice seeing more people doing
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that.
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And we are seeing a lot of support
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00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,740
from people like, for example, Moby recently reached
1202
00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:42,220
out to us.
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00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:43,460
We're not even having to reach out to
1204
00:44:43,460 --> 00:44:43,940
them anymore.
1205
00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:45,380
It's like Moby reached out to us to
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00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:47,000
support the Plant Based Universities campaign.
1207
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:53,040
Brian May has also supported, publicly supported our
1208
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:53,760
campaigns too.
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00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:55,640
We're seeing a lot of celebrities coming out
1210
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,640
and support without us even having to reach
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00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,580
out, which is really cool.
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So yeah, I think things are changing a
1213
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,880
little bit, and I think they see it
1214
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as being risky for them to be speaking
1215
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,500
out, I guess, in any way, like any
1216
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,380
political way.
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00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,500
But yeah, particularly around animals, I think it's
1218
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:12,540
quite controversial still.
1219
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So it's quite a risk for them.
1220
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,500
It's funny you said come out, like they're
1221
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:19,260
revealing their sexuality.
1222
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,640
And I'm speaking as somebody who came out,
1223
00:45:22,660 --> 00:45:24,720
I was one of the earlier journalists to
1224
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:28,540
come out as gay publicly on the radio.
1225
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:34,720
But it's almost like coming out, because yes,
1226
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:35,420
you're right.
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00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,080
To reveal that you are a vegan is
1228
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,860
considered a political statement.
1229
00:45:42,420 --> 00:45:46,160
But here's the thing I can't really understand.
1230
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,220
What is it going to take?
1231
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,940
We are in a climate crisis.
1232
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Your videos have referred to the climate crisis
1233
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,240
that we're in and deforestation.
1234
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,220
And the New York Times recently reported a
1235
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:03,900
story that wasn't picked up by anybody, okay?
1236
00:46:04,340 --> 00:46:06,380
I thought, is this going to be on
1237
00:46:06,380 --> 00:46:06,720
CNN?
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00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,300
Is this going to be on NBC?
1239
00:46:08,660 --> 00:46:09,960
Is this going to be on ABC?
1240
00:46:10,700 --> 00:46:11,080
Crickets.
1241
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,640
Even though they play catastrophe porn all day
1242
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,640
and show people, you know, houses going up
1243
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,640
in flames and going into the water and
1244
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,420
people drowning.
1245
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:22,700
I call that catastrophe porn.
1246
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,640
When it comes to solutions, unless it's fossil
1247
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,060
fuels.
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00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,440
You know, half the people marching couldn't even
1249
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,620
identify exactly what a fossil fuel is.
1250
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:34,200
But people know what a hamburger is.
1251
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,400
So it's much more threatening because people could
1252
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,320
take the power back.
1253
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,100
But I mean, Oxford University, as reported in
1254
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,620
the New York Times, did a study that
1255
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:46,860
showed that heavy meat eaters, which is most
1256
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:50,880
Americans, could reduce their greenhouse gas emissions footprint
1257
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,060
by 75% by switching to a plant
1258
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:55,740
-based diet.
1259
00:46:57,740 --> 00:46:59,120
It was in the New York Times.
1260
00:46:59,500 --> 00:47:02,120
Nobody else reported it, right?
1261
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,260
Even though they're on TV.
1262
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:04,240
What can we do?
1263
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:05,100
What can we do?
1264
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:08,720
Yeah, drive a fancy electric car that most
1265
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:09,420
people can't afford.
1266
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:10,920
That's not the answer.
1267
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,620
But what's it going to take for people
1268
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:15,640
to connect the dots?
1269
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:18,540
One of your videos, Ben, mentioned Sir David
1270
00:47:18,540 --> 00:47:21,300
Attenborough, who has a great documentary called Breaking
1271
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:22,100
Boundaries.
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00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,120
There's only about nine.
1273
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,860
We're already crashing through about six of them.
1274
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,260
I mean, we're going to get to the
1275
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:30,720
point, we have a documentary on Unchained TV
1276
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:35,220
called Countdown to Year Zero, which I produced,
1277
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:39,360
which says we have only until 2026 to
1278
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,020
transition to a plant-based culture.
1279
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:42,280
That's two years away.
1280
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:44,920
What is it going to take, Ben, for
1281
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:45,980
people to wake up?
1282
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,880
Well, I'd say one of the really annoying
1283
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,940
things in the UK is, and around the
1284
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:54,340
world, is the big NGOs, the big nature
1285
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:56,140
NGOs, the big animal NGOs, and the big
1286
00:47:56,140 --> 00:47:58,340
climate NGOs not talking about animal farming.
1287
00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:01,080
So that's something that we tried in the
1288
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,640
past and we'll probably try and get in
1289
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,780
the future, is pushing those big organisations to
1290
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:10,280
actually say stuff on animal farming, which is
1291
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:10,860
really frustrating.
1292
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,720
But I'd also actually highlight, Jamie, is I
1293
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,840
think the media environment in the US is
1294
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,100
particularly hostile.
1295
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,940
So when we talk to our friends DXC
1296
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:25,980
in the US, it sounds that the media
1297
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:28,840
are a lot more hijacked by big ag
1298
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,420
in the US and also in Australia than
1299
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:32,060
they are in the UK.
1300
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:32,860
It's not great.
1301
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,280
It's not great in the UK, but that's
1302
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
part, I think we've got it slightly easier
1303
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,880
in our, we don't yet have like proper
1304
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,720
ag-gag laws.
1305
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,540
So if you report on, you know, if
1306
00:48:44,540 --> 00:48:46,100
you say anything bad about animal farming, you
1307
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:47,180
can be pursued and sued.
1308
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:50,160
So I think we'll probably get there over
1309
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,620
the next couple of years, but we're not
1310
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:52,300
quite there yet.
1311
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,080
So we do have it a little bit
1312
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,420
easier than what you have in the US,
1313
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,220
I think sometimes.
1314
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:57,800
Well, yes.
1315
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,140
And this whole idea of crackdowns, you talked
1316
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:04,560
about excessive force being used on you.
1317
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,600
I just wanna play some video of an
1318
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,880
open rescue in action.
1319
00:49:10,580 --> 00:49:14,980
This is in Northern California and you could
1320
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:16,660
see the police turnout.
1321
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:20,140
Now the protesters are holding flowers and singing
1322
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:23,860
songs, a la Peace Knicks in a way.
1323
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:27,920
And there's, look at the police presence.
1324
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,880
And you know, I'm scared to walk my
1325
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,580
dogs after 10 o'clock at night because
1326
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:35,400
I could get mugged very easily.
1327
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:38,140
Okay, crime is rampant.
1328
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:41,080
Their big box stores are closing in California
1329
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:44,480
because of mass thefts.
1330
00:49:44,580 --> 00:49:45,140
Where are the police?
1331
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:49,960
Well, they're here cracking down on animal activists
1332
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,920
who are trying to point out that what's
1333
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,200
going on inside these factory farms is a
1334
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,900
lot of suffering.
1335
00:49:57,380 --> 00:50:01,900
And they allege that there's violations of Prop
1336
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,560
2, which is a proposition passed overwhelmingly by
1337
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,440
California voters that says that animals have to
1338
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,100
have certain rules, certain room, blah, blah, blah.
1339
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,840
There has never been a single prosecution based
1340
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,000
on Prop 2 since it was put into
1341
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,960
law in 2015.
1342
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,280
So either you could presume that there's never
1343
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,240
been a single violation or they're just not
1344
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,780
enforcing it, which kind of makes the voters
1345
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:32,360
of California suckers, including me.
1346
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:35,160
I collected signatures for Prop 2 and for
1347
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:35,740
Prop 12.
1348
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:38,320
And actually I threw a big party for
1349
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:38,780
Prop 2.
1350
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,700
And here we are all these years later,
1351
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:45,460
almost a decade later, and it's never been
1352
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:46,460
enforced ever.
1353
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:50,340
So it's really a problem.
1354
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,080
And the crazy thing is, I don't know
1355
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,020
if you saw this film, Don't Look Up,
1356
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,360
starring Leonardo DiCaprio, but it's a metaphor for
1357
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,140
climate change where these people know that there's
1358
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:05,980
a meteor coming and they're trying to alert
1359
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:06,560
the media.
1360
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,040
And the media is like, you're so strident,
1361
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:11,140
you're so extreme, calm down.
1362
00:51:11,140 --> 00:51:12,840
Do you ever get that sense of like,
1363
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,580
hello, you're not getting a commission every time
1364
00:51:17,580 --> 00:51:18,700
a chicken is saved.
1365
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
You're doing this for a greater reason, Rose.
1366
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,660
Yeah, definitely.
1367
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,060
I love that film as well.
1368
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:25,660
And yeah, I agree.
1369
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,160
It sounds like we're just like screaming into
1370
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,560
the wind.
1371
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,860
And it's like the problem to us is
1372
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:34,540
so obvious and so severe as well and
1373
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:34,860
serious.
1374
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:36,980
And the suffering is so great and no
1375
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:37,440
one's listening.
1376
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:40,900
So yeah, I definitely, definitely relate to that.
1377
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:44,800
So yeah, it's just, yeah, trying to get
1378
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,500
people to wake up is just, yeah, it
1379
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:48,160
just shocks me.
1380
00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:49,860
And yeah, it's beyond belief sometimes.
1381
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:51,420
We've got another caller.
1382
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,900
We've got Annie in Los Angeles.
1383
00:51:53,060 --> 00:51:54,980
Your question, your thought for Animal Rising.
1384
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,360
Hi, thanks, Dane, for taking the call.
1385
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,180
And oh my gosh, I love you guys.
1386
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,160
Like you, Dane, when I searched for animal
1387
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,500
rebellions, I found you.
1388
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,400
You are so incredible.
1389
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,460
I am just impressed by how you got
1390
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:15,960
together and do all these incredible world-changing
1391
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:16,420
actions.
1392
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:18,000
What motivated you?
1393
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:19,780
What got you to get together?
1394
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,300
And what bonds you together?
1395
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:23,920
It's just impressive.
1396
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:25,520
And I can't thank you enough.
1397
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:28,300
You're heroes plus infinite.
1398
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,020
Love you all.
1399
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,580
Thank you so much.
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00:52:29,580 --> 00:52:30,420
Great question.
1401
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:31,840
So why you, Ben?
1402
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:34,040
And I always wonder why some people get
1403
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,760
it and others don't.
1404
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:39,130
Well, I went vegan.
1405
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:40,790
And then I think I watched Dominion.
1406
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:42,990
And then I spent three months ranting.
1407
00:52:44,330 --> 00:52:46,850
Then my mom said, stop ranting at me.
1408
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:48,150
Go do something about it.
1409
00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,030
And yeah, I'm not like an overly emotional
1410
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:54,730
kind of person.
1411
00:52:55,150 --> 00:52:56,330
I mean, I can't remember the last time
1412
00:52:56,330 --> 00:53:00,630
I cried, except when I watch videos of
1413
00:53:00,630 --> 00:53:02,250
what happens to pigs and stuff.
1414
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:05,050
So yeah, so that's.
1415
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:06,430
And you, Rose?
1416
00:53:08,130 --> 00:53:10,750
Yeah, I guess I went vegan almost 12
1417
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:13,050
years ago now after watching the Earthlings documentary.
1418
00:53:13,630 --> 00:53:15,130
And yeah, it just made me, I guess
1419
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:16,770
since I was a child, I've always felt
1420
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:20,150
a strong connection with animals and felt very
1421
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:20,550
angry.
1422
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:23,690
When there was anything that was ever unjust,
1423
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:25,430
I felt like, yeah, anger.
1424
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:27,150
And felt like life doesn't have to be
1425
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:27,410
unfair.
1426
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:28,850
You can make it more fair.
1427
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:30,070
And I always felt like that as a
1428
00:53:30,070 --> 00:53:30,250
child.
1429
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:33,510
And then, yeah, learning about what's going on
1430
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:36,850
in the dairy and egg industries after going
1431
00:53:36,850 --> 00:53:39,650
vegetarian and then vegan, I don't know, yeah,
1432
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:40,830
just straight away, I was like, I need
1433
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:41,510
to do something.
1434
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:43,750
I felt just really moved to do something
1435
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:46,270
and wanted to wake, help wake people up.
1436
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:48,050
And then four years ago, I guess I
1437
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:49,710
was doing a lot of outreach as well
1438
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:51,710
as some covert animal rescues for years.
1439
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:55,670
And then, yeah, then found Animal Rebellion, met
1440
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:58,150
Ben in, I joined in 2020.
1441
00:53:58,450 --> 00:54:00,010
And then Ben joined a few months later.
1442
00:54:00,730 --> 00:54:02,730
And yeah, we've just got the best team.
1443
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:05,510
Just the most amazing, passionate, dedicated group of
1444
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:05,830
people.
1445
00:54:06,090 --> 00:54:08,350
And we just have a real, we're just
1446
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:10,130
all so motivated and know that we can
1447
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:10,570
do this.
1448
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:12,910
And yeah, we're just, I don't know, we
1449
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:15,450
just work so hard to make things happen.
1450
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:16,750
And we're just good at making things happen,
1451
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:17,090
I think.
1452
00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:19,870
And it's animalrising.org, correct?
1453
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:21,250
Yeah.
1454
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:25,650
Yes, go to animalrising.org and get involved.
1455
00:54:26,290 --> 00:54:28,570
And I assume that you as a nonprofit
1456
00:54:28,570 --> 00:54:29,910
take donations, right?
1457
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:31,970
Yep, that's right.
1458
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:35,470
Yeah, so I think it's super important to
1459
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:36,770
support Animal Rising.
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Are you coming to America?
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We've had some issues getting into America.
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We'll try, we'll try.
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What I like about you guys is you're
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so laid back.
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Like you're like, yeah, we're doing open rescues.
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We're rescuing the king's sheep.
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But it's like, you're very chill about it.
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I think you're accomplishing some really amazing stuff.
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And I just am very grateful that you
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agree to allow us to stream some of
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your videos and keep them coming because they're
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really, really good.
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So I think you're working on all cylinders
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because you're also documenting the work you're doing
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in creative ways and getting it out to
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the media.
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And everybody would like to have the same
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luck as you have, but it's not luck,
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it's strategy in getting the mainstream media to
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cover this.
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00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:36,170
So I just wanna say thank you both.
1482
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It's late at night in England.
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They're both coming to us from England.
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I'm in Los Angeles.
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And of course, I always leave you with,
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please download the Unchained TV app.
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It's free.
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00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:49,810
We're a nonprofit run by volunteers.
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00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:51,910
You can download for free on your phone,
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00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:56,890
on your TV, Samsung, Amazon Fire Stick, Roku,
1491
00:55:57,050 --> 00:55:57,830
Apple TV device.
1492
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:59,050
It's all over the world.
1493
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:59,930
There it is.
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00:55:59,930 --> 00:56:03,270
Download Unchained TV and be part of the
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00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:03,610
team.
1496
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:06,890
This is a community and we are trying
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00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:08,690
to wake up the rest of the world.
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00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:11,590
So see you next time here on Unchained
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TV.