UnchainedTV: Wildfires, Bird Flu: How Government Subsidies to Animal Agriculture Fuel these Crises

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Breaking news to bring you as California reels

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from devastating wildfires exacerbated by climate change.

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It's truly a disaster.

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Now another threat is growing.

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You're looking at dead cows dumped on the

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side of the road in California, undoubtedly victims

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of bird flu, and the New York Times

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is warning that the possibility of a pandemic

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is no longer remote.

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At the core of these calamities, industrialised animal

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agriculture, accelerating climate change, raising the risk of

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pandemics by exploiting animals in the food system

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through systemic overcrowding and cruelty.

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But the destructive role of factory farming is

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being ignored by the government and by mainstream

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media.

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That's a very sick cow you're looking at

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there.

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Now Congress is debating a new farm bill

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that will determine U.S. government subsidies to

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animal agriculture for years to come.

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Meanwhile, the incoming administration wants to cut two

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trillion dollars from the budget and the ag

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bailouts packed in the farm bill are an

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obvious solution that nobody seems to see.

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Here to discuss it all, we have three

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experts, Robert Grillo of Free From Harm, as

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well as Donnie Moss from TheirTurn.net, and

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we're going to be joined by Dr. Crystal

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Heath, a veterinarian who is being persecuted for

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bringing this subject up.

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I want to start with you, Robert Grillo,

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because you have literally stormed into the halls

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of Congress, basically shouting and screaming, begging to

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get members of Congress to look at the

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disastrous impact of this massive bailout to animal

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agriculture on climate change, on the bird flu,

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on human health, because it funds fast food

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and junk food.

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Is anybody listening?

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I think so, Jane.

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I think people are listening.

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The people we're targeting are some of the

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top decision makers, the biggest decision makers making

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the biggest deals and decisions in Congress as

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well as in the private sector.

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Just this last week, we confronted Senator John

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Cornyn from Texas, a CEO of the American

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Farm Bureau Federation, Zippy Duvall, one of the

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powerful people in the world, not just in

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agriculture, but one of the biggest power players

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shaping the farm bill, and the CEO of

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Fairlife, Tim Doleman, at the Dairy Forum.

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All in three days, the last three days,

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we've confronted these people.

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The responses are all over the place, but

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these people want less government.

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They say they want less government, but when

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it comes to subsidies for animal agriculture, they're

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calling for more, which makes zero sense.

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If you want less regulation, and you want

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to cut the government's budget, then you can't

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say, oh, but we still want a massive

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bailout for animal agriculture.

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The Americans don't want that.

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Let's look at one of your speak truth

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to power confrontations.

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I warn everybody, it's shaky video, but that's

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what happens when you speak truth to power.

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Americans need a farm bill that protects public

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health, animals, and the environment.

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And then our livestock producers are facing their

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own set of hurdles, which is why I'm

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focused on strengthening eradication efforts from things like

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feral swine and cattle feeder ticks, which cause

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devastating losses for ranchers across Texas and across

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the nation.

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To build on that, we need an animal

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disease vaccine ban.

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The bird flu is insane.

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Animal ag is to blame, and the animal

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ag bailout.

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Slaughter-free plant-based food system.

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I'm tired of our money going to bailing

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out all these animal ag industries.

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You need to leave, sir.

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Show them the Farm Bureau heart and the

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farm heart.

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So there you go, Robert, when you were

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thrown out, the crowd cheered.

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Yeah.

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So Zippy Duvall is a thin-skinned person

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that he is, in my opinion, a bit

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of an egomaniac.

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Can I just say something?

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We have to keep personal attacks out of

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this.

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And I'll also say, I invite anybody mentioned

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in this broadcast on at any time, we'd

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love to dialogue with you.

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But I mean, the point is you're trying

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to, any way you can, get this word

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out, and you get thrown out.

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And not only are you thrown out, but

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they're cheering as you're thrown out.

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Well, sure, because in true Trump fashion, that's

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what you do.

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If you're used to being in power and

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you're used to trying to control the narrative,

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you rouse the crowd against one dissenting voice

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in the audience because you don't want to

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hear dissent.

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That's a very classic authoritarian type of tactic.

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That's something that we've seen from Trump.

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And from people like this, we're going to

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see the same thing.

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But believe me, the one thing people are

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going to remember from the thousands of people

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in that room, the one thing that they

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will probably remember is not the boring rhetoric

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that they hear from Zippy Duvall, or Senator

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John Cornyn, or these other guys, but they're

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probably going to remember the fact that there

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was some dissent.

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And that doesn't happen very, very often in

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these circles.

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And for us to get a message out

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of dissent about a different path forward is

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something that a lot of people will probably

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remember rather than the boring rhetoric.

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Well, okay.

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I agree with you.

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And first of all, I applaud you for

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your courage and your team for going in

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there and speaking truth to power.

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I want to bring in Dr. Crystal Heath,

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who's a veterinarian, and she has also tried

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to speak truth to power.

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Dr. Heath, first, I want to play a

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clip of you speaking at VMX, the veterinary

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meeting and expo recently, where you outlined how

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you were essentially persecuted for asking some tough

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questions about animal agriculture and what is happening

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with, well, the way we're treating animals in

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the food system, particularly as it connects to

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mass killing of animals to prevent bird flu,

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which is not working.

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I was kind of thrust into the public

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sphere about all of this.

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I had voiced concerns about water-intensive animal

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protein production practises, terminal surgeries, and all these

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things.

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And my colleagues told me I really should

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shadow a livestock veterinarian so I know what

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I'm talking about.

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And I grew up in the porridge.

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I studied animal science at UC Davis before

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going to vet school.

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I think I know what I'm talking about,

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but I also recognise that I don't work

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in animal production.

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So I posted on the veterinary Facebook group

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that I was looking to shadow a livestock

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vet.

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And then it was like kind of this

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perfect storm.

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It was COVID.

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It was like the industry was already on

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edge.

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And this pileup assumed that like I did

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not respect at all.

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This meme went out about me.

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I was banned from veterinary Facebook groups.

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And it was like scary.

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My colleagues were sending me all of like,

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I was banned, but then my colleagues were

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sending me screenshots of the things that people

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were saying about me.

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And I can like look at it and

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laugh like right now, but it was quite

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frightening at the time.

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And it's just so frustrating to like not

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be able to set the record straight in

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these groups because I was banned and locked

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and couldn't tell my own story.

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Dr. Heath, first of all, wow.

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You and Robert, and we're going to talk

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to Donny.

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The courage that it takes to speak truth

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to power to these powerful organisations without naming

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specific names.

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Tell us your ordeal and what you've gone

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through.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I have been character assassinated.

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I have been smeared as somebody who collaborates

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with terrorist organisations, who works for terrorist organisations,

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someone who poses a threat to my colleagues.

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So recently I was banned from speaking at

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a symposium when my talk was not even

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related to anything having to do with animal

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rights.

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It was about how to pay off your

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debt and live your passion.

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And my table, our honour, my organisation, our

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honour was barred from even tabling at this

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event, this veterinary conference.

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I have been prevented from joining veterinary associations.

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I have been prevented from going to veterinary

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conferences, even just attending and watching because of

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my position.

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Thankfully, I'm thankful for this veterinary conference, allowed

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me to come and speak and table.

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And it was so positive.

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And we had so many positive interactions with

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so many veterinarians.

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We were passing out t-shirts.

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People were putting the t-shirts on, taking

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pictures with us.

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It was so great.

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And that's what they're scared of.

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Like other, my colleagues seeing us as normal

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people with an important perspective.

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We pose such a threat to the industry

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when veterinarians are able to join together and

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speak out about these cruel practises.

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Now, you were one of the only people

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to actually videotape the cows being piled up

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on the side of the road in California.

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This is your footage.

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I mean, this should set off alarm bells.

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And the New York Times, and I'll show

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the clip, has said basically the response to

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bird flu has been abominable.

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And now a pandemic is no longer a

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remote threat.

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Let me actually put that up and show

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you what the New York Times just said

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the other day.

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A dangerous virus, bird flu enters a new

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phase.

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A pandemic is not inevitable, scientists say, but

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the outbreak has passed worrisome milestones in recent

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weeks, including cattle that may have been reinfected.

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A human pandemic is not inevitable, even now,

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more than a dozen experts said in interviews.

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But a series of developments over the past

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few weeks indicates the possibility it is no

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longer remote.

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And then you showed me, we're going to

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get a little wonky here, but it's important.

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You showed me the sentient media article that

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lays out a case that U.S. taxpayers

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bailing out the poultry industry has helped propel

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the avian flu to an ever greater threat.

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Because in one case, they gave one company

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$44 million in indemnity payouts, basically to kill

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millions of birds, not that actually have bird

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flu, but that might be exposed or were

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exposed.

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So by compensating companies in such a flagrant

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manner, they've reduced the financial incentive for these

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companies to be careful about the bird flu.

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Can you elaborate on that?

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Yeah.

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Imagine if you had a business and no

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matter how risky your business model was, taxpayers

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were going to step in and take care

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of you.

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If you had a building that was, you

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know, at risk of burning down and it

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burned down, but because you could do your

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business much cheaper if you ignored, you know,

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safety protocols.

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That's the system that we have set up.

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And this is a method of protein production

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that now most Americans are dependent on because

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we made it this way.

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We are bailing out these billion dollar companies

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with who are making record profits, who stock

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prices are at record levels.

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We are forced to pay them millions of

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dollars when their birds become infected with avian

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influenza.

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We also don't require them to put plans

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in place to use less cruel methods of

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exterminating diseased animals.

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So we just allow them to seal up

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barns, pump in heat and wait for the

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animals inside to die.

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And our veterinary organisations support this method and

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enable this practise.

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And you are looking at a chicken being

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baked alive.

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More than 2000 veterinarians have signed a petition

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saying this method called ventilation shutdown or ventilation

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shutdown plus or VSD plus is an abominably

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cruel method.

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Honestly, even this video up, it depressed me

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so much and made me so embarrassed to

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be a human being.

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The idea that you would, you know, sometimes

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you've got to, they seal up houses, okay,

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and they put, that's what they're doing with

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millions of chickens inside.

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These chickens are dying slow deaths being baked

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to death.

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Who are we as a culture?

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And all of us, you and me and

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everybody listening is being forced to subsidise this

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with our tax dollars.

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It's complete madness.

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It's morally abhorrent.

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It's evil.

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I will say it.

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And you're simply trying to raise the alarm

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bell that it's not even effective.

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It's not even effective because the government by

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compensating the companies for doing this, then they

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don't take the extra precautions because they'd figure,

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well, we'll get compensated anyway.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Crystal?

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Yeah.

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And the, the discussion is always around, oh,

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the high price of eggs, but we're never

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talking about the high price of these production

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methods that these corporations are using that threaten

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our food security, our public health and animal

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welfare.

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And we need to incentivise these companies to

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transition to animal free methods of food production,

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which they can, which they have the resources

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to, but there's no incentive for them to

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do that.

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They can continue with this business model because

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they'll continue to be bailed out.

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And that puts our nation's food security at

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risk.

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And a question being asked, how many hours

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does it take to bake to death incomprehensible?

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It depends on the situation, anywhere from one

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hour to as many as eight hours we've

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seen.

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Dear God, dear God.

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And then, you know, the, the really horrifying,

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and as Karen LaCava says, horrific, the really

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horrifying part is it's horrifying enough.

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But then when people try to raise the

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alarm bells or even ask powerful members of,

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for example, the agriculture committee that is weighing

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what these subsidies should be, they're literally arrested.

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And we have some clips of Robert Grillo,

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who was here, basically just trying to get

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this point across that this is not necessary.

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And it results in being thrown out to

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cheers and arrests.

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The Farm Bill is a product of dark

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money that comes from the meat, dairy and

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egg industries who have bought your vote through

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millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

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You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse

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to pay for disease outbreaks that come from

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confining and slaughtering billions of animals, not another

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penny for cooking millions of birds alive.

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It's time to fund a water-free, plant

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-based food system.

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Stop the animal ad

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bailout.

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It's horrific!

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I'm worried about that bird flu very much,

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and I know that there are dead dairy

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cows infected with bird flu that lay along

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the roadside near dairy farms.

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The scavengers go after them.

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There's no biosecurity or warning.

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And that scavenger hunt there actually spreads the

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disease, the bird flu, to wildlife, other birds,

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and humans.

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How can the CDFA allow this?

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Are you putting industry profits over public health

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and animal welfare?

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That's my question.

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Donnie Moss of theirturn.net You've been working

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to try to alert the incoming administration that

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purports to want to cut $2 trillion from

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the budget, that there is a way.

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Take it away.

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It's not just the bailouts.

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It's the subsidies that the government gives to

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industrial animal agriculture, which makes it impossible even

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for smaller farmers to function fairly.

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If Trump is eager to cut the national

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federal budget by $2 trillion, one very easy

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way to make a big dent in that

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cut is to eliminate these subsidies to animal

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agriculture and to these other crops that are

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grown to feed these animals.

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We could eliminate those subsidies altogether to cut

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the budget, and that would encourage farmers to

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transition into grown fruits and vegetables, which would

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reduce health care costs, which would further reduce

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the federal budget.

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Right now, with the government's Department of Government

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Efficiency, DOGE, looking for ways to cut the

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budget, we've delivered them just the easiest possible

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solution to that.

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The problem is, how do we reach these

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people to show them the obvious?

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I look at something called the 80-20

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rule, and I was reading about it, and

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I was like, this is animal agriculture, absolutely,

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the 80-20 rule, which is 20%

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of the inputs cause 80% of the

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outcomes.

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That's a principle that a lot of people

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are talking about, and to me, that is

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animal agriculture.

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20% of this 20% of subsidies,

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of cruelty, of waste, of self-sabotage is

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creating 80% of our problems.

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The health care crisis, by subsidising animal agriculture,

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which is essentially subsidising fast food, you are

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creating the obesity crisis, you're creating the heart

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disease crisis, and you're creating the cancer crisis,

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because processed meat, which is how most people

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want to eat meat, to a large degree,

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is officially a level one carcinogen, according to

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the World Health Organisation.

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Mainstream media does not talk about that.

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That's why we created Unchained TV, to try

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to have these conversations.

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But how do we get the people who

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are making these decisions to listen in desperation?

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I actually wrote a comment in the New

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York Times.

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The article was about Musk planning to retool

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the government.

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We all have heard that the Department of

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Government Efficiency wants to cut $2 trillion from

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the budget.

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I thought this hadn't been published, but it

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actually did get published and got 28 recommends.

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This is what I wrote.

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Elon Musk, please read this.

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Elon

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Musk, please read this.

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67% of the population is lactose malabsorption.

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Please look into gutting the Farm Bill.

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This is an elegant solution to your challenge

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that will also benefit the American people.

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Let the law of supply and demand rule

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and end this corporate socialism for the benefit

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of Big Ag and Big Pharma.

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Now, sorry to read all that, but the

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devil's in the details here.

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I got 28 likes on that, which you

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don't usually get that many in a New

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York Times comment.

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But the point is, how do we get

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this message to Elon Musk?

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We had somebody try to write an op

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-ed in the Washington Times.

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Similar thoughts rejected.

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What do we do?

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Anybody who has any thoughts, raise your hand.

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James, can I comment on that?

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Go ahead.

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Can I just say that there's not nearly

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enough focus on—Congress holds the purse strings.

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They ultimately get to decide where the money

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gets appropriated.

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Now, of course, there's a lot of influences

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on Congress, but how many groups are actually

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pressuring Congress right now, or any part of

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the federal government, for that matter?

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How many animal groups or environmental groups are

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actually putting pressure right there where it needs

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to be to change our food system?

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I would say very few.

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Very few individuals and very few groups.

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Obviously, we need a lot more momentum.

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We don't have enough momentum yet.

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Today, the Senate Democrats come out with a

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letter that condemns Trump's cuts.

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They talk about the egg industry and how

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the price of eggs is going to soar.

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There's no leadership or imagination, even on the

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Democrats' side.

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Their idea is to pour more money into

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the egg industry to try to solve a

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bird flu crisis instead of having the leadership

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or imagination that perhaps this is a great

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opportunity to change course, to invest in alternatives

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to eggs.

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They have so much power to do so.

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We really need to focus and hold accountable

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that body and all those that are elected

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there.

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I have to say, I agree with you.

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To put it mildly, it's a bipartisan problem.

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During the Biden administration, the USDA announced more

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than $43 million investment in meat and poultry

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processing research, expansion, and innovation.

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It's truly a bipartisan problem.

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You're absolutely right.

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I pull my hair out when I watch

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liberal media, MSNBC, and they talk about the

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rising price of eggs or they use an

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example, eggs, bacon.

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It's like, wake up, people, and how do

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we get through to them?

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These are otherwise brilliant people, Rhodes Scholars, and

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yet they can't see that virtually all of

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our major problems are coming from our subsidy

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of a horribly destructive industry, not just cruel

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to animals, but causing horrible healthcare outcomes for

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human beings.

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Let's not forget climate change.

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Unchained TV just did a special report on

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climate change.

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I would like to play a little bit

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of it for you so that we can

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bring that aspect into the conversation because, and

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I'm looking for it right now, full disclosure,

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you get to see behind the camera for

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a minute.

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I know I uploaded it, and if I

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didn't upload it, shame on me.

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I will upload it now and we'll continue

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to talk about the idea of the wildfires

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that have so devastated California.

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They're exacerbated by climate change.

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What to me is truly maddening is that

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if the U.S. government didn't subsidise animal

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agriculture, Donnie, we wouldn't be accelerating climate change.

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If you take a look at what the

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New York Times reported on an Oxford University

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study, I can show you that right now,

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and it's unbelievable.

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It's basically showing that, well, that's true too.

542
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:28,170
You're more likely to go to prison for

543
00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,410
exposing animal cruelty than committing it, but additionally,

544
00:26:33,450 --> 00:26:35,590
there's this.

545
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:41,130
A dangerous phase of bird flu is arriving

546
00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:45,070
amongst us, and there's this.

547
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:48,090
Save the planet, put down that hamburger.

548
00:26:48,650 --> 00:26:52,170
Researchers examined a diet of 55,500 people

549
00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:54,590
and found that vegans are responsible for 75

550
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:57,930
% less in greenhouse gases than meat eaters.

551
00:26:57,930 --> 00:27:02,390
Right there, if we all transition to a

552
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:04,890
plant-based diet, we could reduce our collective

553
00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:07,610
greenhouse gas emissions by 75%.

554
00:27:07,610 --> 00:27:08,570
Donnie?

555
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:12,490
We know for years, we've known from the

556
00:27:12,490 --> 00:27:16,090
United Nations that animal agriculture emits more greenhouse

557
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:19,530
gases than all forms of transportation combined.

558
00:27:20,050 --> 00:27:23,690
If that's not something that should jolt us

559
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:25,770
into changing our habits, then nothing is.

560
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:26,870
That's really powerful.

561
00:27:27,370 --> 00:27:29,190
A few years ago, Jane, you may recall

562
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:30,930
that the Amazon was burning down.

563
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:36,290
There were man-made fires to clear rainforests

564
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:38,910
in order to make way for cattle grazing

565
00:27:38,910 --> 00:27:42,610
and to grow crops to feed those cattle.

566
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:45,730
When you think of the Amazon, we've all

567
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:50,850
learned that the Amazon, the tropical rainforests are

568
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:52,970
the lungs of the Earth, and they're big

569
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:53,810
carbon sinks.

570
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:57,750
In order to continue eating meat and producing

571
00:27:57,750 --> 00:28:04,190
cows for consumption, we are transforming our carbon

572
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:07,410
sinks into carbon emitters.

573
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:08,670
It's a little bit surreal.

574
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:12,610
I was struck during the last presidential election

575
00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:18,310
that, once again, there's not even talk about

576
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:23,690
animal agriculture, factory farming, its impact on human

577
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:28,410
health, on the climate, on the planet, on

578
00:28:28,410 --> 00:28:30,990
species extension, biodiversity.

579
00:28:31,670 --> 00:28:35,890
It plays such a big role in our

580
00:28:35,890 --> 00:28:39,970
lives, yet it's not even an issue for

581
00:28:39,970 --> 00:28:41,630
public consumption and debate.

582
00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:45,750
In response to your question, how do we

583
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:49,410
in the area specifically of getting animal agriculture

584
00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:52,930
onto the radar screen of DOGE, the Department

585
00:28:52,930 --> 00:28:55,870
of Government Efficiency, one of the things that

586
00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:57,150
I've been doing is I've been going to

587
00:28:57,150 --> 00:29:00,690
their Twitter page and responding to their tweets,

588
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:04,170
pointing out this obvious solution, this obvious way

589
00:29:04,170 --> 00:29:05,290
to cut the federal budget.

590
00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:08,310
I finally found the report.

591
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:09,250
Here it is.

592
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:12,690
Another alarm bell from Mother Nature has just

593
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:14,990
gone off, and the question is, is it

594
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:17,570
too late, or can we still change the

595
00:29:17,570 --> 00:29:18,050
outcome?

596
00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:29,530
I tried to run across two or three

597
00:29:29,530 --> 00:29:30,790
times to get in there and see if

598
00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:33,850
there's any pets that I could grab, and

599
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:36,510
unfortunately, every time I went there, it was

600
00:29:36,510 --> 00:29:39,330
like a massive heat wave hit me and

601
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:40,570
almost knocked me back.

602
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:42,350
It actually burned my tyres eventually.

603
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:44,870
And as I was running, a car drove

604
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:45,270
by me.

605
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:45,990
I heard, Billy!

606
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:48,950
And it was Aaron Christensen from Animal Advocacy

607
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:50,490
Network, and he was in that truck.

608
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:51,850
And I'm like, hey, what's going on?

609
00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:52,710
Do you want to help out?

610
00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:54,610
We're trying to get these horses and chickens

611
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:55,610
and pigs and this and that.

612
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:56,530
I said, sure.

613
00:29:56,690 --> 00:29:58,950
We did get all those animals out, everything

614
00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:01,190
from the horses, obviously, to the peacocks.

615
00:30:01,290 --> 00:30:03,310
Very dangerous animals, the peacocks.

616
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:06,390
Whether it's a dog, cat, or a goat,

617
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,110
people love their animals.

618
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:10,090
I don't care what their animals are.

619
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:11,830
There should be no discrimination here.

620
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:15,510
I think it's important to...nobody or no animal

621
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:18,750
deserves the suffocation, the smoke, and the burning

622
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:19,310
alive.

623
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:21,090
No animal deserves that.

624
00:30:22,110 --> 00:30:23,610
Take a look at that burnt out car.

625
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:25,390
Kind of tells the whole story, doesn't it?

626
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:26,510
Where are we headed?

627
00:30:26,670 --> 00:30:27,450
Off a cliff?

628
00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:30,630
We're in a time of climate crisis, and

629
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:33,510
it's clear we all have to collectively make

630
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:35,770
some major lifestyle changes.

631
00:30:36,770 --> 00:30:40,230
So the obvious lifestyle change, which was recommended

632
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:41,970
in the special report, which you can watch

633
00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:44,870
on Unchained TV, by somebody who lost her

634
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:46,030
boyfriend in the fires.

635
00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:48,670
Her boyfriend died in the fires and she

636
00:30:48,670 --> 00:30:50,870
said, go vegan.

637
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:52,770
That is the recommendation.

638
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:54,110
But I want to go to Dr. Crystal

639
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:57,490
Heath because it was tragically ironic that the

640
00:30:57,490 --> 00:31:01,330
animal rescuer said, no animal deserves to be

641
00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:02,530
baked to death.

642
00:31:02,730 --> 00:31:04,070
I'm sure you heard that.

643
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:06,330
And that's exactly what we're doing to the

644
00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:06,750
chickens.

645
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:12,550
In this mass ventilation shutdown horror that they're

646
00:31:12,550 --> 00:31:15,230
doing their darndest to keep the American people

647
00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:16,110
from even knowing about.

648
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:19,230
Yeah, it's absolutely horrifying and it was so

649
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:22,510
shocking at this veterinary conference how many veterinarians

650
00:31:22,510 --> 00:31:26,450
still had not heard of ventilation shutdown.

651
00:31:27,570 --> 00:31:29,150
So many people don't know about this.

652
00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:31,370
It should be in every news story about

653
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:32,270
avian influenza.

654
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:34,650
Journalists should be asking, well how are these

655
00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:35,970
birds being exterminated?

656
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:39,470
But that question still isn't being asked and

657
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:41,030
I'm trying my hardest to get it out

658
00:31:41,030 --> 00:31:41,250
there.

659
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:44,570
Thankfully Time Magazine published our op-ed about

660
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:44,790
it.

661
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:48,310
But my opinion is our 80-20 principle

662
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:51,830
is we should be focussing our attention on

663
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:55,250
educating veterinarians about this because every veterinarian I

664
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:58,150
talk to is horrified that this is being

665
00:31:58,150 --> 00:32:01,110
legitimised by our profession and they want to

666
00:32:01,110 --> 00:32:03,050
stop it, especially when there's a less cruel

667
00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:04,410
method available.

668
00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:08,410
Although we should of course transition and support

669
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:12,350
companies to transition away from animal agriculture animal

670
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:15,190
-based protein production towards animal-free methods of

671
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:20,090
protein production but instead we're just legitimising the

672
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:24,030
cruellest practises and that's just the way it

673
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:24,170
is.

674
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:26,350
Our whole system of incentives is set up

675
00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:29,570
to reward those with the most brutal and

676
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:31,090
callous business practises.

677
00:32:31,150 --> 00:32:35,150
We allow the most brutal companies to become

678
00:32:35,150 --> 00:32:38,690
the most successful and that is a dangerous

679
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:41,550
way to set up our food system and

680
00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:43,770
it endangers our food security and our public

681
00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:44,090
health.

682
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:47,210
So just to add a few little nuggets

683
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:51,670
to this terrible situation where we have the

684
00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:54,990
answers to all the problems and nobody wants

685
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:58,430
to listen to us and indeed persecutes anybody

686
00:32:58,430 --> 00:33:01,610
who tries to raise the potential solution.

687
00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:06,050
Now the good news is that DOGE, the

688
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:08,190
Department of Government Efficiency run by Elon Musk

689
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:10,210
says it wants to cut two trillion dollars

690
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:10,790
from the budget.

691
00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:14,150
The bad news is that he went on

692
00:33:14,150 --> 00:33:18,330
the Joe Rogan show and reportedly said you

693
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:19,330
can eat all the meat you want, it

694
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:20,730
has no impact on climate change.

695
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:22,490
That makes it even tougher.

696
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:26,350
I want to do a certain clip here

697
00:33:26,350 --> 00:33:28,530
that I think shows that there are some

698
00:33:28,530 --> 00:33:31,590
people, gotta give this guy from the Federal

699
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:34,650
Reserve some props for at least listening to

700
00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:37,750
Robert Grillo when Robert Grillo from Free From

701
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:38,710
Harm approached him.

702
00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:40,630
I think this is the first time where

703
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:42,530
they didn't call the cops and have you

704
00:33:42,530 --> 00:33:46,210
thrown out or arrested but let's play that

705
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:47,790
clip of you trying to make a point

706
00:33:47,790 --> 00:33:52,290
and this Federal Reserve bigwig actually listening for

707
00:33:52,290 --> 00:33:53,070
a minute.

708
00:33:53,290 --> 00:33:57,030
Beef has a protein conversion rate of only

709
00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:59,930
3.8% meaning that you have to

710
00:33:59,930 --> 00:34:02,590
feed a cow 100 grammes of plant proteins

711
00:34:02,590 --> 00:34:04,590
or whatever it is they feed cows wheat

712
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:07,770
or whatever just to get a little less

713
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:11,570
than 4 grammes of protein for human consumption

714
00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:15,330
and if we're talking about minimising input costs

715
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:19,130
and the most efficient type of system, doesn't

716
00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:21,690
it make sense from a sustainability standpoint to

717
00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:26,070
transition to plant based proteins and to divest

718
00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:27,429
from the livestock industry?

719
00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:31,150
I still think that the supply chain for

720
00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:34,510
any given commodity or any given food product,

721
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:36,389
we want it to be as efficient as

722
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:36,850
possible.

723
00:34:37,350 --> 00:34:42,989
I can see your point feeding a 1500

724
00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:46,330
pound cow from an energy efficiency perspective.

725
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:49,630
It's not my expertise here.

726
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,320
Take your small victories, what do you make

727
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,180
of it Robert Grillo?

728
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,560
The fact that you weren't arrested for making

729
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,280
a very valid point.

730
00:35:02,820 --> 00:35:05,420
That was an interesting experience because it was

731
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:09,640
the Federal Reserve Bank's annual agriculture conference and

732
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,800
Goolsbee is a leading spokesperson for the Federal

733
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,100
Reserve Bank you'll see him on major mainstream

734
00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,420
news outlets so I definitely wanted to make

735
00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:20,200
a point of talking to him and I

736
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,820
caught him on his way out after he

737
00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,640
made his closing speech to everybody.

738
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:26,140
He just showed up at the end just

739
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:27,680
to say a few words and say how

740
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,840
great agriculture is.

741
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,560
As he was walking out I was able

742
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,140
to stop him and ask him those questions.

743
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,500
Now keep in mind the context of this

744
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:38,120
conference.

745
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,500
The theme is how do we minimise costs

746
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:44,120
input costs and how do we create the

747
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,660
most efficient food system and I'm sitting there

748
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:49,000
like the only person in the room thinking

749
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,680
why aren't we talking about plant based transition?

750
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,080
Why is there no discussion?

751
00:35:56,300 --> 00:35:57,900
We have a dairy expert in the room.

752
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,740
We have somebody from a pig farm in

753
00:36:01,740 --> 00:36:03,440
Indiana.

754
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,380
We have all these people talking about how

755
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,260
they're going to make their industries more efficient

756
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,340
but they're all animal industries.

757
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:16,440
I'm the lone person there talking about plant

758
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,040
based transition and it was a great experience

759
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
because I got to talk to a lot

760
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,120
of leading ag people and this guy Goolsby

761
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,400
he says I'm just a financial guy I

762
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,440
don't know the ethics.

763
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,440
I'm like no yes you do.

764
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,960
You have spoken out about the energy sector

765
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,920
and how we need to move to renewables

766
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,480
and you have every point to make to

767
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,100
say we should also for the same reasons

768
00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:47,980
we need to transition to renewables we also

769
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:50,200
need to transition to a plant based food

770
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,660
system.

771
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,100
It's so frustrating how can we reach the

772
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:00,580
people who just want to cut the budget?

773
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,720
Now we got some really interesting comments from

774
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:05,520
people watching on social media.

775
00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:10,060
Barbara Glick says in the confirmation hearings the

776
00:37:10,060 --> 00:37:13,020
new secretary of agriculture mentioned subsidies distort the

777
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,640
market so we have another target to hold

778
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,240
accountable.

779
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:20,540
I believe this was the woman who wants

780
00:37:20,540 --> 00:37:23,000
to be the new agriculture secretary.

781
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,460
That's the good news that she has said

782
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:28,480
in the past that subsidies distort the market

783
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,960
which means she's potentially against subsidies.

784
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,460
The bad news is that she issued a

785
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:37,200
fiery defence of the EATS Act which would

786
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,480
wipe out every single little bit of progress

787
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,080
we've made in for example eliminating pig gestation

788
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,300
crates for a lot of pigs where they're

789
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:49,800
kept in crates the size of their bodies

790
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,800
unable to turn around.

791
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,140
If she's in favour of the EATS Act

792
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:56,180
that is the worst.

793
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,420
It's like everything's an upside down world Donnie.

794
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:01,380
I have to go back to you.

795
00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:07,260
There's no clear cut answer here.

796
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:08,820
I think the clear cut answer is how

797
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:11,040
do we reach these people with just the

798
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,780
financial cut not the moral lesson.

799
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:18,360
Jane I think first of all sadly things

800
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,700
happen in baby steps and while many would

801
00:38:21,700 --> 00:38:23,560
say that baby steps are for babies that's

802
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,340
probably who we're dealing with here.

803
00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:29,800
We can continue to do what we're doing

804
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,700
by educating the public and working with organisations

805
00:38:32,700 --> 00:38:36,420
that are trying to move the needle away

806
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:40,300
from animal agriculture toward plant based consumption.

807
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,720
You know who's on our side?

808
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:43,860
Mother Nature.

809
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,940
She has sent a strong message to Americans

810
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:50,060
and to people around the world that what

811
00:38:50,060 --> 00:38:51,140
we're doing isn't working.

812
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,420
We saw it with the wildfires in California.

813
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:55,220
We saw it with the hurricane in North

814
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:59,060
Carolina which destroyed parts of western North Carolina.

815
00:38:59,620 --> 00:39:03,420
Hurricanes that have decimated parts of the west

816
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:04,960
coast of Florida and Louisiana.

817
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,580
At some point it's going to be more

818
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:12,080
cost effective for the government to do the

819
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,320
right thing which is to cut these subsidies

820
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,600
to animal agriculture than it is to turn

821
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,380
a blind eye.

822
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,260
Maybe it'll come down to dollars and cents.

823
00:39:21,780 --> 00:39:24,900
Maybe it'll come down to people in positions

824
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,260
of power who are personally impacted by the

825
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:32,060
devastating impact of climate change driven by animal

826
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:32,700
agriculture.

827
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,380
But as grassroots activists on the ground, we

828
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:39,340
have our bodies, we have our keyboards and

829
00:39:39,340 --> 00:39:43,420
we can share stories like this and we

830
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:47,420
can take to our keyboards and do whatever

831
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:50,360
we can to reach the decision makers and

832
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,220
our elected officials who need our votes.

833
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:56,320
So Dr. Crystal Heath, here we are.

834
00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:58,040
We're offering a solution.

835
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,080
We're offering a solution to climate change to

836
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:01,820
a large degree.

837
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,280
Not a 100% but a pretty major

838
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,800
solution.

839
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,720
75% per human being reduction in greenhouse

840
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:09,340
gases.

841
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:12,080
We're offering a solution to the bird flu.

842
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,180
If we had no birds in factory farms

843
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:17,640
we wouldn't have a bird flu outbreak that

844
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,200
we would have to kill millions of birds

845
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,080
in factory farms.

846
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:24,040
We're offering a solution to the human health

847
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,800
crisis with 70% of Americans overweight and

848
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,760
more than 40% obese, which is causing

849
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,540
our healthcare costs to skyrocket.

850
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:38,520
We have also a solution to world hunger

851
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,020
by the way, which there are many people

852
00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:43,540
suffering from malnutrition and hunger around the world

853
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:47,460
because animals are eating a huge percentage the

854
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:49,080
majority you could argue of the food.

855
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,440
We're 8.2 billion humans and we're raising

856
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,800
and killing 92 billion animals every year.

857
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,780
I mean what I don't get is how

858
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:01,940
is it possible for these people not to

859
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:02,580
see this?

860
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,740
I could see the people who are making

861
00:41:05,740 --> 00:41:08,780
money off of the subsidies, okay, as somebody

862
00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:12,540
said famous, you can't get somebody to agree

863
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:16,060
to a reality that's going to cost them

864
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:16,300
money.

865
00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:18,500
You can't get them to see a solution

866
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:20,140
that's going to cost them money if they

867
00:41:20,140 --> 00:41:21,120
adopt the solution.

868
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,320
But somebody like Elon Musk, okay, he seems

869
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120
to be very focused on doing to the

870
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,660
U.S. government what he did to Twitter,

871
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:30,380
now X.

872
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,600
It's gutting it, gutting it, gutting it.

873
00:41:33,860 --> 00:41:36,900
Well, it's right there and it actually would

874
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:37,680
help people.

875
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,820
Yeah, I mean I just went to Sprouts

876
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:45,840
and you look at the egg section to

877
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,780
see, I'm always checking what the prices are.

878
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:50,780
Of course, the egg section is empty except

879
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:53,380
for there's a little just egg thing sitting

880
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:53,880
right there.

881
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,520
There's also some egg whites cans things too,

882
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,720
but the just egg of course is $7

883
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:03,220
while the egg still is, even though egg

884
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:05,220
prices have gone up, the egg is still

885
00:42:05,220 --> 00:42:07,680
cheaper than the just egg and that needs

886
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,480
to be switched.

887
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,120
It needs to be cheaper and easy for

888
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,180
people to grab.

889
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:18,580
I think a big thing with Elon Musk

890
00:42:18,580 --> 00:42:20,440
and a lot of these people, they still

891
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,740
do not believe that you can be healthy

892
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:25,160
on a diet that doesn't include animals.

893
00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:26,960
That's a big barrier for a lot of

894
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,440
people and a lot of people just aren't

895
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,860
used to eating these foods, so we have

896
00:42:30,860 --> 00:42:32,780
to solve that problem too.

897
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,720
I think going to this veterinary conference, I

898
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,280
met so many vegan vets who had no

899
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,380
idea who I was.

900
00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:44,320
I'm like how on earth is there any

901
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,940
vegan vet out there who doesn't know who

902
00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,600
I am and what our honour is and

903
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,660
know about ventilation shutdown, but still so many

904
00:42:50,660 --> 00:42:52,540
veterinarians who just need to get organised.

905
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,500
The politicians listen to us.

906
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,420
We need to get organised.

907
00:42:57,820 --> 00:42:59,580
We need to get out there too and

908
00:42:59,580 --> 00:43:01,960
take pictures of what is happening out there

909
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,280
in the world like I did with taking

910
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,840
pictures of the sick and dead cows.

911
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:08,820
Go to the areas near you where bird

912
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:09,760
flu outbreaks are happening.

913
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,600
Take pictures of what is happening and send

914
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,440
those to the media.

915
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,020
We need to change the narrative.

916
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:16,680
We need to get this information out there.

917
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,640
We need to raise awareness about the infectious

918
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,900
disease trap of animal agriculture, how we are

919
00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:25,080
paying so much for empty eggshells.

920
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,600
We are paying all this money and we're

921
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,060
not even getting food out of it.

922
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:33,980
Let's redirect those subsidies towards supporting animal free

923
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:35,960
methods of food production so that we can

924
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,260
ensure our nation's food security and our public

925
00:43:38,260 --> 00:43:41,920
health or else our nation will fall behind

926
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:43,640
all of the other nations.

927
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:48,100
That's what these guys should care about, ensuring

928
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:51,020
our future and our public health and our

929
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:53,520
food security and animal welfare of course too.

930
00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:57,000
We know that when Beyond Meat went public

931
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,780
in 2019 it was the most successful initial

932
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:04,820
public offering for years, the meat industry freaked

933
00:44:04,820 --> 00:44:08,140
out and launched a massive PR war against

934
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:13,020
plant-based meats basically calling them super processed.

935
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:17,060
Processed meat isn't processed, isn't super processed.

936
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:19,060
Meat isn't super processed.

937
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,080
When you eat a hamburger you could be

938
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,920
eating 100 animals or 200 animals.

939
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,860
It's all mixed up together, not appetising.

940
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:30,880
We have to counteract that as well because,

941
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,160
and I urge all plant-based vegan people

942
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,540
or vegan-friendly people, do not repeat meat

943
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:39,320
eating industry talking points.

944
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,240
Stop talking about how you hate veggie burgers.

945
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,520
If you don't want them, don't eat them,

946
00:44:44,860 --> 00:44:48,000
but zip it because every time somebody eats

947
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,800
a veggie burger they're not eating an animal

948
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,300
and they are 100,000 times healthier than

949
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:55,480
a meat burger.

950
00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:59,120
So where do we go from here?

951
00:44:59,220 --> 00:45:00,460
We've only got a couple of minutes.

952
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,460
How do we reach Elon Musk?

953
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,940
Now I talked to somebody who deals with

954
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:08,320
a lot of high-powered people and what

955
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,360
he told me is they have layers and

956
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,020
layers and layers.

957
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,480
Like they have an assistant who has an

958
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,120
assistant who has an assistant who has an

959
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,160
assistant who has an assistant.

960
00:45:17,380 --> 00:45:18,740
You can't really reach them.

961
00:45:19,620 --> 00:45:22,320
We were actually talking about maybe placing an

962
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,800
ad in a conservative publication if they would

963
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,760
even accept it.

964
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,780
You know how PETA does ads for the

965
00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:30,580
Super Bowl and they always turn them down

966
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:31,960
and then they get a lot of free

967
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:32,860
advertising as a result.

968
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Very clever way of trying to deal with

969
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,120
it.

970
00:45:36,260 --> 00:45:39,240
But just to recap and review about what

971
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:44,340
hasn't worked, just asking politely does not work

972
00:45:44,340 --> 00:45:48,080
and let's talk a little bit about when

973
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,640
you try to speak truth to power.

974
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,120
This is an example of when you, Robert,

975
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,660
were arrested for trying to speak truth to

976
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:54,920
power.

977
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040
There you are in the Congressional hearing and

978
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,440
you're being walked out.

979
00:46:01,660 --> 00:46:03,520
This is a hearing on the Farm Bill

980
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,220
and you're just trying to make the point

981
00:46:05,220 --> 00:46:09,540
that it's packed with these terrible subsidies and

982
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:13,520
you literally are handcuffed and arrested and walked

983
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:13,920
out.

984
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,980
So what can we do?

985
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,740
I'd like to hear from all three of

986
00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:20,680
us, all four of us.

987
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,100
I suggest let's pool our resources and put

988
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,100
an ad because I want to say one

989
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:28,700
other thing.

990
00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:32,200
There have been news articles where, first of

991
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,540
all, Vivek Ramaswamy who is a vegetarian left

992
00:46:35,540 --> 00:46:38,880
Doge, so that's bad news because he might

993
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,740
be more enlightened about this issue, but the

994
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:45,000
second is I've read articles saying that Elon

995
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Musk says, well, maybe I can't cut two

996
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,720
trillion because he's walked into a wall with

997
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,860
a lot of protections of federal employees, etc.

998
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,260
So we're offering an elegant solution that's actually

999
00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:58,200
good for the planet.

1000
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,660
How do we reach this individual?

1001
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,740
I know you said you're going to his

1002
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:06,060
Twitter page, but let's just brainstorm about other

1003
00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:06,840
possibilities.

1004
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:07,380
Donnie?

1005
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,660
How to reach Elon Musk.

1006
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,400
One thing I did, Jane, I think you

1007
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,020
probably did it too, is that we sent

1008
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:19,540
emails to the public affairs departments of all

1009
00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:23,780
of the companies that Elon Musk owns or

1010
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:24,980
has a controlling interest in.

1011
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:29,820
We created a campaign in which we had

1012
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:33,520
thousands of people sending those letters through one

1013
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,580
of these automated email programmes, then perhaps that

1014
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:41,160
would assuredly put this idea of cutting ag

1015
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,720
subsidies on his radar screen, no doubt.

1016
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,400
I also just want to make one point

1017
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,560
of clarification, Jane.

1018
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:49,900
We know that Elon Musk doesn't believe that

1019
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:53,440
cutting animals from your diet will impact climate

1020
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,300
change in a positive way and that he

1021
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:56,680
doesn't think it will have any impact at

1022
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,860
all, but we do know that he wants

1023
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:02,820
to cut federal spending and so he might

1024
00:48:02,820 --> 00:48:06,040
not discriminate against this idea if this idea

1025
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,780
would in fact be a way to cut

1026
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:09,160
the budget.

1027
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:12,740
Right, and I'd also like to say that

1028
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:15,580
a lot of these folks are libertarians and

1029
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:18,620
they basically feel that the government shouldn't be

1030
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:21,500
subsidising and they're against welfare.

1031
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:23,220
Well, this is corporate welfare.

1032
00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,440
It's blatant corporate welfare.

1033
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,920
Why would they be in favour of it

1034
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,480
if they're actually libertarians?

1035
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,000
The question is if we could reach Elon

1036
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,640
Musk, A, and then B, could we get

1037
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,880
Congress, which has the purse strings, to go

1038
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,080
along with Elon Musk?

1039
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,860
Your thoughts, Robert Yurlow.

1040
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:47,780
First of all, I'm not totally convinced that

1041
00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:50,460
Elon Musk will last very long so I'm

1042
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:52,080
not even sure how much we want to

1043
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,000
invest in trying to change his mind, but

1044
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,300
I will say Congress is not going anywhere.

1045
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,800
So we've had Congress for as long as

1046
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,360
we've had a country and we can get

1047
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,380
in front of these people.

1048
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,560
We can do more than just write emails

1049
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,320
and it's good to leave a paper trail.

1050
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:12,260
It's good to have emails and phone calls

1051
00:49:12,260 --> 00:49:15,160
and social media posts tagging these people, but

1052
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:15,620
guess what?

1053
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,880
They can ignore all that, but what they

1054
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,440
can't ignore is when we get in front

1055
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,180
of them and that's what other social movements

1056
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:21,980
have to do too.

1057
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:25,420
We have to have face-to-face, honest

1058
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:30,000
interactions, many different kinds of interactions, leading to

1059
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,140
a seat at the table so that they

1060
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:33,700
take our position seriously.

1061
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,360
We have to be willing to get out

1062
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,040
there and get in front of them.

1063
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,680
All right.

1064
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,260
I love your courage.

1065
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,600
I have a question about these as your

1066
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,260
own protesters said, these members of Congress who

1067
00:49:51,260 --> 00:49:53,580
you say are bought and paid for by

1068
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:55,660
the animal agriculture industry.

1069
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:59,860
I don't know that appealing to their conscience,

1070
00:50:00,100 --> 00:50:02,500
appealing to their logic is going to work.

1071
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:04,860
I really don't because...

1072
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:07,320
If they want to get re-elected they're

1073
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,160
going to have to take their constituent groups

1074
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,820
seriously as well and they're going to have

1075
00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:12,400
to figure out what the...

1076
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,660
they're going to have to make a calculus.

1077
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,760
Do I side with the animal ag interests

1078
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,080
or is there too much political pressure and

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too much change in my constituent base that

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says there has to be some concessions made?

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That's what we're looking for, concessions, a transition.

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We're not expecting something to happen overnight.

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Crystal Heath.

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So last year our honour got 87 press

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hits in the media from the New York

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Times, The Guardian, Vox Newsweek, The Intercept, so

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many Don't forget Unchained TV, lady.

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Unchained TV, of course.

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It's just me, mostly our honour and a

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couple of helpers and this year we plan

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to get a lot more media attention and

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I have been following Elon Musk and all

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of these people and there's this little crowd

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of people on Twitter that all know each

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other and all listen to each other.

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Right now we also have a group chat

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with around 800 people and we plan to

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wield that group chat to help amplify some

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tweets to various power holders.

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As a result of some of my supporters

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who have been tweeting at some prominent podcasters,

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I will be on a pretty major podcast

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hopefully in the next few weeks and we've

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got another major media story that might come

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out in the next few days too.

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So we're working hard to get media attention

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and I think this whole talk about bird

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flu is becoming much more prominent.

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There's a lot more media attention around it

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and I think we have the opportunity to

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really push our narrative, take advantage of this

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whole bird flu situation as horrifying as it

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is and get out there, take pictures, talk

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to people, put our perspectives out there on

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Twitter which is still, everybody's leaving Twitter but

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that's where Elon Musk and all of these

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people are and that's where all the journalists

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are too.

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So start writing thoughtful things, making creative content,

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going out there in the field and taking

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pictures of what is actually happening and talk

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to your veterinarian too who do have the

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power to change policy and legislation in the

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United States because our policy makers will listen

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to veterinarians and experts they won't necessarily listen

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to animal rights activists unfortunately but animal rights

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activists can influence veterinarians.

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Well you are a hero for first of

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all for many things but for going out

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there and videotaping those cows at your own

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risk because those cows undoubtedly had bird flu

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and died from bird flu so I'm glad

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you're safe.

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I don't see a lot of pictures of

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cows like that in mainstream media, systematically ignored.

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So I also applaud you Dr. Heath for

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getting on these major publications when so many

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people have had no luck.

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So I feel that you have a magic

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touch, keep going.

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But I also like Robert Grillo's approach of

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speaking truth to power, going into these hearings

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and disrupting them.

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I mean that's non-violent civil disobedience to

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get a point across because they don't listen.

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If you talk to them nicely and they

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don't listen you have to step it up.

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I also like Donnie Moss's idea of really

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doubling down on X and I also like

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the idea of a high-tech petition that

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00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:53,840
lays out exactly where they can cut the

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costs in the farm bill which has not

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passed yet.

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We do have an opportunity.

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So I just want to thank all of

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you for doing incredible work.

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