UnchainedTV: Will the Farm Bill Battle Decide Our Future?

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Author, TV journalist and the founder of the

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Now here's your host, Jane Velez Mitchell.

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Take a look at this people.

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Well, New York Times, a cruel way to

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control bird flu, poultry, giants cull and cash

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in.

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Big poultry farms have received millions of dollars

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for their losses.

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Animal welfare groups contend that aid reinforces inhumane

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cullings of birds exposed to the virus.

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So I am with people who have disrupted,

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repeatedly disrupted hearings that are designed to get

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this farm bill passed.

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This farm bill that is going to determine

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quite possibly the future of our planet.

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There you see Robert Grillo, the head of

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free from harm being arrested, led out of

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a congressional hearing as he tries to make

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the case that this farm bill could spell

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doom for planet earth.

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If you consider that animal agriculture is a

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leading cause of climate change and that our

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government is actually subsidising animal agriculture, thereby accelerating

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climate change at the very time that it

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purports to want to solve climate change, at

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the very time that we are headed toward

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extinction, at the very time when we are

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killing many, many tens of millions of birds

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because they're getting bird flu and a lot

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of the birds being killed, indeed, the vast

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majority don't even have bird flu.

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It's just let's control it and kill what,

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a hundred million birds at taxpayer expense.

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So it's a very complicated subject, but breaking

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it down for us is a man who

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knows so much about it, as well as

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Natalie Fulton, who spoke truth to power.

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Both of these individuals have spoken truth to

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power at recent hearings.

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Robert, bring us up to date.

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What are we facing as a nation and

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a world as we grapple with the farm

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bill that is coming up for renewal and

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being debated in the houses of Congress right

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now?

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So right now, thank you, Jane.

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Thank you for having us on and for

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caring about this issue because it's just not

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being covered enough in our movement and in

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general, right?

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We see a lot of news headlines, but

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so right now, Congress is in recess through

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the month of August and to our knowledge,

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they're not planning any hearings on the farm

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bill until they come back.

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But there's also a very good chance that

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they might just both sides stall because the

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Republicans are like, hey, if Trump gets elected,

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then we can get this through and maybe

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we'll get more Republican Congress and we can

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get our version of the farm bill passed.

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And the Democrats are calculating the same thing

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and saying, hey, if Kamala Harris gets elected

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and we defeat Trump and we get some

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of those Republican seats, maybe we can get

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our version of the farm bill passed through.

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But for us, the big picture here is

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that both versions of these farm bills provide

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a massive and I mean massive bailout to

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animal agriculture while giving a mere pittance to

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what they call speciality crops.

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You know what speciality crops are?

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All the crops that are grown for human

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consumption, nuts, seeds, grains, fruits, vegetables, all of

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those things are considered speciality crops.

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Isn't that sad that the majority of crops

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are actually raised to feed the animals that

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we consume?

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And they're the ones that are benefiting from

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this farm bill through a crop insurance programme

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that the Democrats are actually spearheading a trillion

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and a half dollars in a seven trillion

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dollar U.S. budget.

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That's how much is at stake here.

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And a lot of it is going to

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animal agriculture.

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And we say, no, enough is enough.

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We need a change.

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We need to transition subsidy programme because if

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we can just transition the subsidy programme towards

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plant based agriculture and plant based proteins, that's

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a first huge milestone in the direction of

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transitioning to a plant based food system.

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Now, we also have Natalie Fulton here.

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I'm going to play her speaking truth to

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power at a recent hearing.

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And that concerns drought, which obviously we're all

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dealing with.

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We're in these incredible heat waves.

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I was just recently in Calabasas, California.

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And I have to tell you, walking from

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my car to the restaurant where I was

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meeting people, I almost passed out.

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It's it's gotten to the point of being

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almost unlivable.

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And this is just the beginning.

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And, of course, drought is a huge part

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of that.

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So let's play this clip of you, Natalie,

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speaking truth to power.

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And then we're going to break it down

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on the other side.

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This is a climate crisis.

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We need to end the causes, not thwart

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them.

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Animal ag is causing the climate crisis and

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cannot solve it.

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No more money for planet killers.

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No more money for animal killers.

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Plant based food systems now.

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Animal agriculture is one of the leading causes

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of climate change.

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Fifty four percent of the water in the

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Colorado Basin goes toward animal farming.

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Drought is caused by animal agriculture.

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And we will keep disrupting until we switch

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to a plant based food system.

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Your system is outdated and tradition is no

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excuse for animal abuse.

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Wow, Natalie, powerful.

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Where were you and what was your message?

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Thank you so much.

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So we were actually in Burlington, Colorado, which

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is a very small town.

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And they mentioned at one point that the

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reason they had that hearing in Burlington was

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because the ones in D.C. had been

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disrupted so often.

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So they were hoping that they would avoid

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the types of interruptions that they've been experiencing.

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So when we showed up, we had three

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people and I didn't actually know I was

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going to be disrupting.

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I thought I was driving and filming and

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then two people disrupted before me.

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And then I found the courage to go

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and do it myself.

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And the entire room was filled with animal

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ag people, farmers, ranchers from the surrounding states.

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And, you know, the drought is caused by

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animal agriculture.

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It's insane how much water we use just

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to grow alfalfa and hay, which is then

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fed to cows.

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So they're the ones causing the drought, but

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they're also getting money for the drought.

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And it just doesn't make any sense.

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So I'm really happy we had the chance

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to disrupt that particular meeting because they were

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not expecting us at all.

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That's for sure.

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Did you get a sense that anybody heard

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you?

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I mean, because I've been to similar events

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for various issues.

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And a lot of times, you know, you

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can't get somebody to listen to something when

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their livelihood depends on them not understanding that.

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That's an old saying, right?

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So did you break through with anybody, any

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indication that you might have been effective in

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terms of reaching the people in the room?

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Sure.

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So I love that saying.

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I think that actually comes from Upton Sinclair.

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And, you know, he wrote that excellent book,

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The Jungle, about the Chicago stockyards.

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And as far as if people heard us,

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I mean, they definitely heard us.

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And then I was actually lucky because I

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did the last disruption.

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So I could hear the kinds of murmurs

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after my two friends had disrupted previously.

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And they always seem to say the same

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things right after the first disruption.

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They say, oh, we're so happy that democracy

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exists and stuff like that.

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But no, they're absolutely in complete denial.

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Whenever we say anything about climate change, they

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say, oh, we're not causing climate change.

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It's absolutely ridiculous.

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And then they go and they use industry,

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meat industry funded research at universities and then

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perpetuate that.

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So absolutely, I don't think we changed any

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minds of the people who have been ranching

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for generations there.

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But at least we were able to make

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them uncomfortable and show them that we are

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going to fight back and we are going

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to continue to target them until we have

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achieved a plant based food system.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Very powerful.

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And I want to say for those who

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say, well, you know, meat and dairy have

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nothing to do with climate change.

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OK, here's The New York Times again.

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Save the planet.

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Put down that hamburger.

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Researchers examined the diets of fifty five thousand

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five hundred people and found that vegans are

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responsible for seventy five percent less in greenhouse

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gases than meat eaters.

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Put another way, if everybody went plant based,

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we could collectively reduce our greenhouse gas emissions

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by seventy five percent.

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Put another way, if everybody went plant based,

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we could solve the climate crisis.

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And check this out.

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This didn't get a lot of coverage in

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mainstream media, but the World Bank, the World

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Bank, which is a massively important, powerful institution

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that controls a lot of money, is now

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batting for alternative proteins, calling for a shift

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away from meat and dairy subsidies and saying

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that changes in farm and food production can

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cut greenhouse gas emissions by a third.

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So there's one headline, the World Bank tiptoes

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into fire debate over meat emissions.

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Last one I want to show you is

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that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

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Change wanted to recommend a transition to a

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plant based diet.

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But the meat industry blocked the IPCC's attempt

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to recommend a plant based diet.

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A leaked draft revealed how the meat industry

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is obstructing efforts to curb climate change.

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So while the U.S. government says it

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wants to solve the climate crisis and is

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spending billions of our tax dollars purportedly to

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do that, they are also subsidising the meat

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and dairy industry, which is a leading cause

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of the climate crisis.

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So I have to go back to Robert

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Grillo before we play another one of your

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exciting clips of you disrupting one of these

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hearings.

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I mean, at a certain point, I think

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it's just a question of, are we a

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stupid species?

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We are experiencing the impacts of climate change

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in real time.

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Swaths of the world are very rapidly becoming

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unlivable.

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I'm talking to people who have homes in

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Nevada and Arizona who say they don't know

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how much longer they can live there because

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it's so damn hot.

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And I think that applies to California, too,

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because I was just 20 miles inland and

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it was I was frying.

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How is it possible that the government continues

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to ignore the big elephant in the room?

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Well, you know, there's some really bad actors

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in Congress right now.

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And Senator Michael Bennett of Colorado is a

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perfect example.

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And but by the way, he was the

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target.

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We are not necessarily targeting ranchers and farmers.

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We're targeting people like Senator Bennett, who have

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a tremendous amount of power, who are controlling

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a seven trillion dollar budget.

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And a trillion and a half of that

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is probably going to be allocated to the

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Farm Bill and to bail out various forms

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of agriculture.

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So, yes, it was effective to target Senator

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Bennett.

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We need to be holding accountable the most

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powerful people in this country that are shaping

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agriculture policy.

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And we achieved that here and in many

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other cases.

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Now, let me also say that when you

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you put up on the screen at the

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very beginning, the New York Times article that

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that said exactly what we have been saying

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at these disruptions and getting pulled out of

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rooms and arrested for.

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That is it does it really make sense

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to kill millions of birds and have the

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industry pay nothing while working Americans pay for

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everything and they still can't control it?

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It's completely out of control because in reality,

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the industry just keeps growing and growing.

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Does this really make sense?

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Now, when we see that message getting through

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to mainstream media, we know we're being effective

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because it wasn't happening even a year ago,

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six months ago.

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We were not seeing mainstream media looking at

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this critically.

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They were just saying, oh, isn't it terrible?

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All the farmers losses, nothing about the tremendous

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cost to animal suffering or the planet, or

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could this be a threat?

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And now we're seeing critical views in the

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media.

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We consider that a huge milestone in the

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right direction.

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And it doesn't matter whether they credit free

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from harm or pro animal future or PETA

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or whoever, because the point is, even though

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we're the catalyst behind this change in messaging,

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the media is picking it up.

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And we want to see more of that.

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Absolutely.

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We've got a caller, Nilo Farr from Dallas,

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Texas.

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Your question or thought for our panel on

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the Farm Bill.

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Could it determine the fate of our planet?

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Hi, I think it's very effective to get

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in the faces of of the Farm Bureau,

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as you know, as you've talked about it,

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they're extremely powerful.

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Let's say that we are in Texas and

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we are contemplating doing similar actions.

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Would the first step be to, you know,

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make an appointment with the with the staff

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member of a U.S. senator, sit down

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with them, talk to them about the ethics

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and environmental impact of the Farm Bill and

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then give them some time to respond?

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We can expect what their response will be.

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And then the next step is to try

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to figure out when the next hearing is

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and try to do a similar approach with

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speaking, going into a meeting, a hearing and

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speaking out.

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OK, thank you.

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Excellent question, Robert.

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Well, I would you know, I'm so glad

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you're on the call, Nilo Farr.

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Nilo Farr was on our Action Hours last

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week and we were brainstorming, which is a

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brainstorming session to help people develop their own

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actions.

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And so we're going to continue with you

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and help you map this out and plan

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it out.

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And so you can, you know, you can

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count on us to to be there to

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help you develop this.

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So I'm sorry we haven't been on it

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right right away after the call, but we

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will certainly be following up and we will

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help you through it.

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I want to play another example of speaking

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truth to power.

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The Farm Bill is a product of dark

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money that comes from the meat, dairy and

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egg industries who have bought your vote through

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millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

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You have betrayed hardworking Americans, but we refuse

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to pay for disease outbreaks that come from

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confining and slaughtering billions of animals, not another

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penny for cooking millions of birds alive.

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It's time to find a slaughter free plant

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based food system.

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Stop the animal ad bailout, stop the animal

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ad bailout.

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Stop the animal ad bailout, stop the animal

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ad bailout.

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Now, if you think this is no big

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deal, for those listening, just take my word

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for it.

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A hundred, up to a hundred million birds

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have been killed just as a prevention.

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Like, well, let's make sure it doesn't spread.

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What we're showing to those watching, but take

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my word for it, it's grim, is one

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chicken dying of ventilation shutdown.

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And more than 2000 veterinarians have signed a

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petition saying this is an incredibly cruel way

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to kill animals.

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It's called VSD Plus.

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And essentially, these animals are baked alive.

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They shut off the air, they turn up

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the heat, and they just let them bake

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to death.

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It's something that I would not wish on

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any living being.

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My worst enemy, not that I have any

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really enemies, but I can't even imagine a

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society where this is considered okay, to let

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these animals bake to death, die a slow

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death by sealing off these horrible barns that

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they've been subjected to living in, and then

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turning up the heat.

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It's sick, I'm gonna say it right now.

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It makes me embarrassed to be a human

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being.

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And what makes me even more upset is

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that my tax dollars and yours are forced

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to go into this.

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And why is that?

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Because we are at a situation now where

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we, having just come through a pandemic, are

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facing the potential of another one because of

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bird flu.

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So let me ask you, if I may,

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Natalie, as a taxpayer, as somebody who is

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pro-animal future, what do you say to

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people who may try to defend the way

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the government is handling this?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So obviously, this is a huge problem.

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And as vegans, we like to think that

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we're making a huge difference in terms of

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saving animals, making the world a better place.

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And while we are making a big difference

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in that area, the unfortunate reality is that

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our tax dollars go toward funding this horrible

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industry, whether we like it or not.

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So that's why it drives me crazy when

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the meat industry pushes back against our ballot

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initiatives or any of this legislation and says,

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oh, you should just give people the choice.

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If they don't wanna support slaughter, then they

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just shouldn't eat meat.

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And I think that's so divorced from reality

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because the government is so heavily involved with

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the choices that people make at the grocery

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store.

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Animal products get 800 times more government subsidies

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than plant-based products.

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And if it weren't for these subsidies, then

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animal products would cost two to four times

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more than they currently do.

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So I would just ask people, and whenever

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we talk about changing the meat industry or

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switching to a plant-based food system, one

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of the main arguments they use is economic,

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that it would be so bad for our

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economy.

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It would be terrible.

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We would lose all this money.

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But if they are such the economic powerhouse

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they say that they are, then why are

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they so heavily subsidised by taxpayer money?

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They shouldn't need any of those subsidies if

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they were as profitable as they said they

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were.

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So I would just ask anyone, why do

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we allow this industry to violate the free

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market whereas we let other industries play by

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the same rules?

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We've got another caller.

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Matt in Franklin, Indiana.

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Your question or thought?

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Yes.

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Hi.

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First of all, I would just like to

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give a huge thanks to Robert Grillo, Natalie

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Fulton, and every activist that exposed Congressman Thompson.

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What I'd like to say is that according

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to the data, Dr. Silas Schro stated that

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by the year 2026, 100% of wild

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vertebrates will be gone.

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Now, if the Farm Bill does not pass

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in favour of subsidising higher plant-based alternatives,

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should humans continue to procreate as they will

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be taking valuable resources away from the animals?

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All right.

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Well, that's a mouthful.

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Thank you for calling.

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I think the bottom line question there is

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that we're living in an age of diminished

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resources.

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And so everybody's talking about, well, the earth's

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getting hotter.

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Prices are getting higher.

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We've got all sorts of problems.

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We're facing another pandemic.

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We just got through a pandemic.

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There is a solution to every single problem

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I just mentioned.

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And that is into a plant-based culture.

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It would reverse climate change.

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We could take the climate back to where

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it was in pre-industrial times 200 years

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ago.

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We could reforest the earth.

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Wildlife would grow.

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So we would end the wildlife extinction crisis

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we're experiencing now.

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We would have plenty of food to feed

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all the hungry people, millions of people as

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we speak.

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Are threatened with hunger and malnutrition because animals

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are eating so much of the food that

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we're producing.

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And it's an inefficient food source.

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I mean, I could go on and on

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and on.

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All the problems that would be solved, not

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to mention preventable lifestyle diseases like heart disease,

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cancer, obesity, type two diabetes.

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This is what we have on Unchained TV.

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Hundreds of videos that outline exactly how society

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could heal itself by switching to a plant

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-based culture.

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And nevertheless, Robert, it seems like all the

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pillars of our democracy are controlled by the

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meat and dairy industry.

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You've got Congress, you've got the executive branch,

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you've got the media.

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The media, with few exceptions, is controlled by

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the meat and dairy industry because look at

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all the fast food commercials.

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That's right.

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And how much resistance do you really see

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to this?

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You don't see very much or you don't

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hear too much about it either.

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Groups that are making an orchestrated effort to

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expose and hold accountable Congress and lobbyists, the

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industry lobbyists who are using Citizens United to

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their advantage.

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Citizens United, which made it possible for private

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investors to make huge investments in political campaigns

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of our elected Congress people and to therefore

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shape them into their puppets so that they

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can pass policies that are favourable to their

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industries.

547
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,680
This is hugely damaging to democracy in general,

548
00:24:02,010 --> 00:24:06,380
but also to all different areas of life,

549
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:11,500
whether it be healthcare, agriculture, the environment, fossil

550
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:13,140
fuels versus renewable.

551
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,140
So we have a huge problem and until

552
00:24:17,140 --> 00:24:20,660
Citizens United gets revoked, we have to deal

553
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:23,600
with this and we have to expose it

554
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080
and hold accountable the people involved.

555
00:24:26,780 --> 00:24:30,420
Like Senator Debbie Stabenow, who was the target

556
00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:32,260
of the last video that you showed.

557
00:24:32,700 --> 00:24:34,900
She cowered back in the corner and wouldn't

558
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:35,820
speak to anybody.

559
00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:38,500
That's how out of touch these people are.

560
00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:40,200
They're not talking to their constituents.

561
00:24:40,820 --> 00:24:42,660
They go into a room with a bunch

562
00:24:42,660 --> 00:24:45,340
of lobbyists and they talk about how they're

563
00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:48,880
gonna bail out the dairy industry because they're

564
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,680
experiencing all of these losses due to bird

565
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,620
flu.

566
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,760
They're cowering- Speaking of the dairy industry,

567
00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:56,760
speaking of the dairy industry, I wanna play

568
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,920
a clip where you disrupted a dairy industry

569
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:01,640
event.

570
00:25:01,860 --> 00:25:03,680
Let's play it and we'll discuss on the

571
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,240
other side.

572
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,320
Hi, it's Robert with Free From Harm and

573
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,060
today we're here at the Sheraton Grand Riverwalk

574
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:12,120
Hotel in Chicago where there's a huge international

575
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:14,680
dairy industry conference taking place.

576
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:17,440
And we're going into a climate session that

577
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,120
should be attended by several hundred industry people

578
00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:23,300
where they will try to greenwash their way

579
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:25,760
through the future of dairy and we will

580
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,000
be there to disrupt that narrative.

581
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,280
How can you greenwash dairy?

582
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,640
How can you sit up there and pretend

583
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,560
that the dairy industry is anything but cruel

584
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,360
and inhumane and unsustainable?

585
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,660
Experts have been warning about a potential bird

586
00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:45,060
flu pandemic for years.

587
00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:47,320
But now the worst part of this is

588
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,980
that Congress is bailing this industry out with

589
00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:53,520
our hardworking tax dollars.

590
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,800
It's burning down the Amazon rainforest to raise

591
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,160
cows and crops to feed those cows.

592
00:26:00,380 --> 00:26:02,580
Shame on you for sitting up there and

593
00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,420
talking big about sustainability.

594
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:09,460
I commend your husband to speak to this

595
00:26:09,460 --> 00:26:10,320
group today.

596
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,380
Unfortunately, we live in a country where everybody

597
00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:15,860
gets to give their point of views and

598
00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:17,980
I respectfully disagree with those.

599
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,780
The only way people like you actually can

600
00:26:20,780 --> 00:26:22,200
do that is to shut up.

601
00:26:26,110 --> 00:26:28,600
By the way, we invite any corporation or

602
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,160
agency or representative of any corporation or representative

603
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,420
agency on any time.

604
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:36,400
We would love to dialogue with you about

605
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,100
this issue.

606
00:26:39,780 --> 00:26:43,860
Robert, you're saying this is absolutely vital, your

607
00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:46,040
efforts and you get in there and you

608
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,040
disrupt and you make your point.

609
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840
But let me just ask a provocative question.

610
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:55,120
If they're not listening, if they're just completely

611
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,700
shut off, where's the benefit?

612
00:26:57,700 --> 00:27:03,730
The job of an activist is to make

613
00:27:03,730 --> 00:27:07,370
people listen to about an issue that they

614
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:11,210
don't care about and impress upon them why

615
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:11,970
they should care.

616
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:15,250
This was the basis of any successful social

617
00:27:15,250 --> 00:27:15,750
movement.

618
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:20,370
We should be under no illusions that people

619
00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:23,430
care and just like in the ACT UP

620
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:25,870
movement or the suffragette movement or the civil

621
00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:28,250
rights movement or the Black Lives Matter movement

622
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:30,150
or anyone that you can mention that has

623
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:33,470
had any progress started out with people not

624
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:34,170
caring.

625
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:36,830
Well, guess what the job of activism is?

626
00:27:37,230 --> 00:27:39,870
To get people to care, to make the

627
00:27:39,870 --> 00:27:43,010
case, to create the spark for change and

628
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:46,730
to make people question the status quo and

629
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:49,310
say maybe there is a better way forward.

630
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:54,950
Yeah, and this gentleman says, US House of

631
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:57,190
Representatives passed the Whole Milk for Healthy Kids

632
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:59,570
Act of 2023, a bill that would allow

633
00:27:59,570 --> 00:28:01,910
for whole milk to once again be served

634
00:28:01,910 --> 00:28:02,430
in schools.

635
00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:04,610
I didn't even know whole milk went away

636
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:09,290
because we've covered stories where people have had

637
00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:11,330
to sue, parents and their children have had

638
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:14,590
to sue school districts in order to get

639
00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:17,090
plant-based milk served to them, which is

640
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:20,470
crazy when you consider that the National Institutes

641
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:22,270
of Health on its own website, which I

642
00:28:22,270 --> 00:28:25,750
have access, says that 67% at least

643
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:30,270
of people experience lactose malabsorption, which is another

644
00:28:30,270 --> 00:28:32,830
fancy way of saying most people are allergic

645
00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:34,030
to dairy products.

646
00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:37,970
At a certain point, there seems to be

647
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:42,170
almost a level of, not just denial, but

648
00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:43,790
self-destructiveness.

649
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:46,910
We know that humans can be very self

650
00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:47,510
-destructive.

651
00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:50,010
When people are addicts, they can do things

652
00:28:50,010 --> 00:28:54,510
that are incredibly self-destructive, but can institutions,

653
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:58,790
Natalie, be self-destructive in the same way?

654
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:03,850
Because we are on a track to a

655
00:29:03,850 --> 00:29:07,550
climate apocalypse as we speak, and the farm

656
00:29:07,550 --> 00:29:11,950
bill could easily determine how much in the

657
00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:15,470
billions of subsidies animal ag, big ag will

658
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:21,450
get, thereby perpetuating big ag, thereby ensuring our

659
00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:25,030
collective demise, or at least living in a

660
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:26,070
dystopian world.

661
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:30,870
Totally, even just speaking about milk in schools,

662
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:33,290
one of my memories from being in elementary

663
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:35,170
school was that I couldn't even go to

664
00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:38,610
recess until I finished my gross milk carton

665
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:41,410
that tasted rancid, and I would drink it,

666
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:43,390
and I wouldn't feel good, and I wouldn't

667
00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:45,810
know that it was the milk because they

668
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:47,230
didn't talk to us about that.

669
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:49,630
So it's absolutely ridiculous that kids have to

670
00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:51,250
drink milk in schools, and they have to

671
00:29:51,250 --> 00:29:53,430
have doctor's notes in a lot of cases

672
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:55,030
in order to get the plant-based milk

673
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:55,530
option.

674
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:58,530
As far as if the industries are self

675
00:29:58,530 --> 00:30:01,650
-destructive, I am not sure if they would

676
00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:04,390
think of themselves in that way.

677
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:07,650
They think that they are vital to human

678
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:08,050
health.

679
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:10,530
They think that they're saving the world.

680
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:12,590
They're denying the climate science.

681
00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:15,610
They have scientists they work with, like Frank

682
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:19,610
Mitloehner at UC Davis, and he creates these

683
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:22,190
studies and then uses it to legitimise their

684
00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:23,030
talking points.

685
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:26,690
So they say that they're actually not causing

686
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:29,570
that much climate damage, that methane isn't really

687
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:31,430
this big problem, and that they can use

688
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:34,690
technology to solve the methane issue instead of

689
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:36,810
reducing the number of animals.

690
00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:39,850
So I think it's more just a complete

691
00:30:39,850 --> 00:30:43,570
denial surrounding the situation, and it is very

692
00:30:43,570 --> 00:30:45,790
ironic because their industry is one of the

693
00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:48,970
industries that's the most dependent on having a

694
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:51,130
healthy climate, and they're the ones who are

695
00:30:51,130 --> 00:30:52,410
destroying the climate.

696
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:54,410
But we see similar things with fossil fuels

697
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:55,070
and tobacco.

698
00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:58,190
I think it's just a huge amount of

699
00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,730
denial that they can't face the truth because

700
00:31:00,730 --> 00:31:04,610
earlier that quote you used about how their

701
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:07,730
profit depends on them, not seeing the truth.

702
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:09,730
So I think that's what- I do

703
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:12,870
wanna say, we invite any individual, including the

704
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:14,770
person you mentioned on, anytime we would love

705
00:31:14,770 --> 00:31:19,750
to dialogue with any individuals, agencies, corporations, universities,

706
00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:21,590
you have an open invitation.

707
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:23,530
I would love nothing more.

708
00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:26,450
Paige, in Los Angeles, your question or thought

709
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:29,490
for our panel on the front lines of

710
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:30,610
the Farm Bill battle.

711
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960
I think about when I learned about the

712
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:42,000
vote for larger cages for the pigs, and

713
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,700
I remember people who were not vegan were

714
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:48,140
telling me they were gonna be voting for

715
00:31:48,140 --> 00:31:48,900
larger cages.

716
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,320
How do we get the general public to

717
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,140
realise how essential this is to shift?

718
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,220
How do we do that?

719
00:31:58,260 --> 00:32:01,460
Because I think common sense for people to

720
00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:05,040
actually put two and two together, like having

721
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,480
larger cages, whether they're gonna be drinking the

722
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,940
plant milk or not, that their tax dollars

723
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:13,560
are going to be the wasted milk in

724
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,680
schools, for example, right?

725
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,780
Most people are aware they don't really wanna

726
00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:19,940
have the wasted food.

727
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,120
That's kind of mainstream information.

728
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,260
Let's not waste food.

729
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,160
So how do we get this information into

730
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,340
the hands and to the minds of the

731
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:34,200
general public who are not paying attention, per

732
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,400
se?

733
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,940
Great question.

734
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:40,240
As we get the answer from Robert, let's

735
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,080
watch him do his thing at a congressional

736
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,360
hearing on the Farm Bill.

737
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:50,400
He is walked out while shouting that this

738
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,620
is a corrupt process where people who want

739
00:32:55,620 --> 00:32:59,560
alternatives don't get a chance to really weigh

740
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:59,880
in.

741
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,260
I mean, even though some of these politicians

742
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:06,040
say they're going on listening tours, those are

743
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,600
all prearranged, as you showed in one instance

744
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200
where when you really ask an honest question,

745
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,800
they really shut you down.

746
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:16,160
They do not wanna hear the honest questions.

747
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,900
They've got all the prearranged orchestrated questions and

748
00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:24,260
you have literally gotten arrested, Robert, trying to

749
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:25,760
speak truth to power.

750
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,140
So what would you say to Paige's question?

751
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:32,520
So Paige, I think we need to have

752
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,480
a populist message that resonates with the public,

753
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:40,020
that builds popular support, rather than an over

754
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:41,500
-professionalised message.

755
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:44,540
Because the more we professionalise our movement, and

756
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:46,540
that's not to take anything away from the

757
00:33:46,540 --> 00:33:48,840
doctors and the scientists and the nutritionists and

758
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
the veterinarians and all of those people that

759
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,020
do such fantastic work, but the bottom line

760
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:58,100
is we need a popular, emotive message that

761
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:00,700
appeals to the average working American.

762
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280
And if we want to broaden our base,

763
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:06,280
and they are going to be non-vegans.

764
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,739
They're people that we're gonna target that hopefully

765
00:34:09,739 --> 00:34:11,860
will one day become vegan, but in the

766
00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:14,060
meantime, we need them to back our movement

767
00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:15,639
for a plant-based food system.

768
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,600
And groups like Pro Animal Future, of which

769
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Natalie belongs, and others, are doing research and

770
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,080
finding, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong,

771
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,760
but I think they're finding that most people

772
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,639
see the reason, the common sense in transitioning

773
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,020
to a plant-based, soda-free food system.

774
00:34:35,380 --> 00:34:37,219
They might not be vegan yet, but they

775
00:34:37,219 --> 00:34:40,659
definitely see the rationale in doing that.

776
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,239
So we already have a tremendous amount of

777
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,679
support.

778
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,580
And then you add to that our populist

779
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:50,560
message at Free From Harm, that hardworking Americans

780
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,719
should not be paying for problems that the

781
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,220
industry created, like spreading diseases like bird flu,

782
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,120
and costing us an immense fortune to try

783
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,900
to clean up.

784
00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:04,960
Most Americans across the political spectrum believe that

785
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,020
it's wrong for corporate welfare like that.

786
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:10,220
So there you go.

787
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,280
There's a populist message that we could work

788
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,160
with, and we're finding that it's resonating.

789
00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:16,600
Well, I hope you're right.

790
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,340
All I hear about is people talking about,

791
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:21,200
this is, I think, the conundrum.

792
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,800
People are complaining about the high price of

793
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,160
food.

794
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,880
It is a major issue in electoral politics.

795
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:38,160
And so in order to basically counteract meat

796
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,100
and dairy, we would have to let it

797
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:42,780
go to the price it would be if

798
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:45,740
it wasn't subsidised by the government.

799
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:48,620
So I've heard the average hamburger could be

800
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:49,740
$25, $30.

801
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,760
So these dollar burgers that you see, the

802
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,140
only reason they're dollar burgers is that our

803
00:35:56,140 --> 00:35:58,960
tax dollars are being funnelled to prop up

804
00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,800
this industry.

805
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,620
So what we would have to do is

806
00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:08,260
not just reduce those subsidies, but redirect subsidies

807
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:11,600
to healthy food so that that food isn't

808
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,480
as expensive.

809
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,720
And that's a tall order.

810
00:36:15,140 --> 00:36:17,080
And that's why this farm bill is so

811
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,340
very important, is that potentially, if they all

812
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:24,340
had a moment, an epiphany, all these people

813
00:36:24,340 --> 00:36:27,040
who are in these powerful positions had an

814
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,120
epiphany and realised, oh my gosh, we could

815
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,460
be literally signing the planet's death warrant.

816
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,320
Of course, the planet will survive us.

817
00:36:35,380 --> 00:36:37,020
We're talking about the living beings on the

818
00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:37,340
planet.

819
00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:40,100
We have to make a switch.

820
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,500
It's just gotten to be too much.

821
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:45,700
Like hit bottom, just like addicts hit bottom

822
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:48,800
when they've had a really bad night and

823
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,360
they wake up the next morning and they

824
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,520
say, I can't live like this anymore.

825
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:54,880
I mean, our government needs to hit bottom

826
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,260
on subsidising animal agriculture and wake up and

827
00:36:58,260 --> 00:37:00,180
start subsidising healthy food.

828
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,940
Is there any chance, is there a snowball's

829
00:37:03,940 --> 00:37:04,220
chance?

830
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:05,800
What do they say?

831
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:09,180
A snowball's chance in hell of that happening,

832
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:09,500
Robert?

833
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:14,840
Well, yes, but we have to be smart

834
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,280
about what we leverage.

835
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:18,340
So bird flu is an Achilles heel for

836
00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:19,000
the industry.

837
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,980
If things keep going bad, this is really

838
00:37:21,980 --> 00:37:23,800
going to be a problem for the chicken,

839
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:25,600
egg and turkey and dairy industries.

840
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,920
And we need to leverage that.

841
00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:32,220
There's not enough of us demanding change in

842
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:34,840
the places of power where change can be

843
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:35,360
made.

844
00:37:36,060 --> 00:37:41,480
People, consumers will follow changes based on what

845
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,940
our food system provides and markets to them.

846
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,200
Unfortunately, most people are followers in this way.

847
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:52,500
We're social animals and we go with trends.

848
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:53,560
We go with marketing.

849
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:56,600
We're very much seduced by the propaganda of

850
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,480
the food industry.

851
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,800
So that could actually, we could turn that

852
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,060
into, instead of trying to addict them with

853
00:38:03,060 --> 00:38:06,920
animal products, we could try to actually, like

854
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,960
you said, subsidise healthy foods.

855
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,980
We're not against subsidies.

856
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,160
We just think the subsidies should be changed.

857
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,640
But we need to have more people focussing

858
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,360
on those who actually have the power to

859
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,920
change the system, not the consumers, because they

860
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,420
have no power over this.

861
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,680
And just for the record, what is the

862
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,320
amount that the Farm Bill and the US

863
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,280
government is subsidising animal agriculture versus how much

864
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,940
our government is subsidising foods that human beings

865
00:38:37,940 --> 00:38:41,560
eat, fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains, and legumes?

866
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,960
My understanding is it's completely, utterly lopsided.

867
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,680
Can you elaborate, Robert?

868
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:51,640
According to the Environmental Working Group's recent study,

869
00:38:51,780 --> 00:38:53,320
which is the best thing we have so

870
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:59,040
far, the government has subsidised animal agriculture 59

871
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,660
billion since 1994 and only 124 million for

872
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:06,120
alternative plant proteins.

873
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:07,880
And that's all I'll say because I don't

874
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,640
wanna take up too much room so Natalie

875
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,280
can talk too.

876
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,020
That's right, but I mean, that's crucial, Natalie.

877
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,660
I mean, look at that.

878
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:21,320
That basically, yeah, you know, game, set, match.

879
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,000
Yeah, absolutely.

880
00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:27,220
It's crazy how much more attention animal products

881
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:27,560
get.

882
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,360
And I've heard different numbers in different places.

883
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
The one that I heard was that we

884
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,660
subsidise animal products 800 times more than plant

885
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:36,060
products.

886
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,360
I've also heard that only 4% of

887
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,260
subsidies go toward plants grown directly for human

888
00:39:41,260 --> 00:39:41,820
consumption.

889
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:45,060
A lot of plants get subsidies when they're

890
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:47,820
used to feed farmed animals like corn and

891
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:48,140
soy.

892
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:51,100
But absolutely, we need to subsidise these speciality

893
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,160
crops as they're called, which is just really

894
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,140
crops that humans can eat.

895
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:59,840
What I see over and over again is

896
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,620
that nobody is connecting the dots.

897
00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:07,780
For example, I just read an article that

898
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:11,060
the sea lions and the seals are suffering

899
00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:16,040
again from another tide that is toxic and

900
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,360
they're getting poisoned.

901
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:20,720
And all these people are rushing to pull

902
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,940
them out and to go to a rehab

903
00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:25,100
centre and then re-release them.

904
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,360
And I went to a re-release recently,

905
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,280
not far from where I live, several were

906
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:30,940
being released.

907
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:33,800
Nobody's talking about what is causing the algae

908
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,120
bloom.

909
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,040
What's causing the algae bloom is that California

910
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,380
is America's largest dairy state with millions of

911
00:40:41,380 --> 00:40:41,760
cows.

912
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,320
And all those cows are producing cities worth

913
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,180
of manure that is going into our streams,

914
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,260
our rivers, and ultimately into our oceans.

915
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,340
This did come to a head at Point

916
00:40:53,340 --> 00:40:57,840
Reyes National Seashore, where in defence of animals

917
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,920
has been fighting a battle to at least

918
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,280
allow the Thule elk who are on the

919
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,580
national property to get water.

920
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,680
The dairy industry wants to keep that water

921
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,340
for itself and is literally trying to deprive

922
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:14,260
these animals of even water.

923
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,260
Right.

924
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,980
And the dairy runoff is going into the

925
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:23,440
waters off Point Reyes National Seashore.

926
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:25,520
And the activists say they did tests and

927
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,260
they're saying the water's polluted.

928
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,700
And millions of people come there to experience

929
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:33,780
not dairy industry, but experience the Thule elk

930
00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:35,940
and go swimming in clean water.

931
00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:38,500
So nobody's connecting the dots.

932
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:41,020
And when I talk about drought, the first

933
00:41:41,020 --> 00:41:42,560
thing people say is, oh, those almonds.

934
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,580
But they don't talk about the fact that

935
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:47,920
the cows, National Geographic says a vegan diet

936
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480
saves 600 gallons of water per day per

937
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:50,900
person.

938
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,200
It's like the truth that dare not speak

939
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,620
its name over and over again.

940
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,260
This is the big problem.

941
00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:02,540
How do we burst through this wilful denial,

942
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,040
Robert?

943
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,160
I think we may not, but like I

944
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,400
said, I think the strategy that is going

945
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,860
to work and really have the kind of

946
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:15,360
sweeping kind of change that we want is

947
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
by focussing on those in charge of the

948
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,260
food system and making the change happen there

949
00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:26,400
because consumers I think will follow and they

950
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,900
don't know what to think and they don't

951
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:29,080
think they have any power.

952
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:32,940
So we have to show people, even those

953
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,040
that aren't activists, just everyday working people, that

954
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,780
this is how you can get involved.

955
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:40,640
This is how you can become civically involved

956
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,680
in this process.

957
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,780
And it does matter because the collective voices

958
00:42:45,330 --> 00:42:46,820
is what changes things.

959
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,320
They might come back and say, well, if

960
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,760
I go vegan or if I go plant

961
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,100
-based, that's not gonna change the world.

962
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:58,080
And it's gonna make a small change relative

963
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,620
to the huge problem we're dealing with.

964
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,320
But if they become civically involved and realise

965
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,120
that they have an important role to play,

966
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:07,060
which is what we want to convince people

967
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:09,940
of, then that's the path to the kind

968
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:11,060
of change we want.

969
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:14,060
And if we take cues from other successful

970
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:16,320
social movements, that's how it's done.

971
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:19,800
But our focus has to be on the

972
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,280
powerful.

973
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:23,080
And I'm afraid we just haven't arrived there

974
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,340
yet.

975
00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:26,620
We just don't have enough groups working on

976
00:43:26,620 --> 00:43:28,240
the power holders of the food system.

977
00:43:28,740 --> 00:43:32,460
Let's take a look at another speak truth

978
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:33,280
to power moment.

979
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:36,520
Bailing out the chicken and egg industry for

980
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,880
a bird flu nightmare that they created.

981
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,200
The USDA's mission is to create safe and

982
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,380
nutritious foods.

983
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,460
Yet instead, you are the chicken industry's puppet,

984
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,880
protecting an industry, making record profits and betraying

985
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,840
America's health and safety.

986
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:58,240
This industry forces billions of birds to live

987
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,780
in squalid confinement, perfect conditions for new pandemics

988
00:44:03,340 --> 00:44:06,460
with a constant supply of new hosts.

989
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,820
As I said on an earlier occasion.

990
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,880
Defund factory farms.

991
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,100
Defund factory farms.

992
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,320
Stop the bird flu bailout.

993
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,240
Stop the bird flu bailout.

994
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,380
Please don't touch me, that's assault.

995
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:22,660
Stop the bird flu bailout.

996
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Stop the bird flu bailout.

997
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:27,340
Where are we going?

998
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,440
Okay.

999
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,060
Stop the bird flu bailout.

1000
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:43,760
Not another penny.

1001
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:45,100
Where are we going?

1002
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,980
Stop the bird flu, I'm sorry.

1003
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,940
So where was that, Robert?

1004
00:45:02,460 --> 00:45:04,820
That was at the National Press Club with

1005
00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:07,040
Tom Vilsack's speech.

1006
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:10,700
You may have heard that he mentioned what

1007
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:13,060
a great thing democracy is and that people

1008
00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:15,200
can speak their voice.

1009
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,660
I don't think we necessarily live in a

1010
00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:18,220
democracy.

1011
00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:19,540
A true one.

1012
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:23,260
But it's ironic, it couldn't be more ironic

1013
00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:27,260
that he is a championing democracy when he

1014
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:31,180
is presiding over one of the most corrupt

1015
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:34,280
food systems in the world in which animal

1016
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,380
agriculture money pours in and controls policy.

1017
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,340
And he used to be- By the

1018
00:45:41,340 --> 00:45:45,820
way, Tom Vilsack is the USPA, the head

1019
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:49,280
of the United States Department of Agriculture for

1020
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,160
those who do not know.

1021
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:53,860
Yes, and he was a dairy industry trade

1022
00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:54,440
group leader.

1023
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,940
So that's another issue, is that the people

1024
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:01,780
who are in power in the government used

1025
00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:04,220
to work for the very industry they're supposed

1026
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:05,200
to regulate.

1027
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,680
The revolving door.

1028
00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:10,900
It's a revolving door.

1029
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:13,040
And he served twice.

1030
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,100
This is the second time that he is

1031
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,640
serving as the head of the USDA.

1032
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,040
It's just, it's really bizarre.

1033
00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:23,960
You see this with other issues that are

1034
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,320
in the animal rights sphere, like vivisection.

1035
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:29,840
The people who are running the National Institutes

1036
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,500
of Health are to a large degree vivisectors

1037
00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:35,500
who came up torturing animals in laboratories.

1038
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,400
So of course they're gonna think that that's

1039
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,700
a good idea to continue when obviously we

1040
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:43,740
live in the 21st century and there are

1041
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:47,660
many high-tech methods to determine the safety

1042
00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:49,960
or lack of safety of a particular product,

1043
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,680
other than sticking it in the eye of

1044
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,700
a monkey or a mouse.

1045
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,540
But they like to do it their way

1046
00:46:57,540 --> 00:46:59,320
because that's how they've been doing it.

1047
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:02,160
And so you have the revolving door.

1048
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:07,860
And I just, I just very, very, very

1049
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:11,260
concerned about what could happen with this farm

1050
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:11,440
bill.

1051
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:14,680
So, you know, I have to go back

1052
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,220
to you, Robert.

1053
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,400
Where does it stand?

1054
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,260
When is it likely to be passed?

1055
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:21,100
And what is likely to be in it?

1056
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:22,080
Right.

1057
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,080
So in a nutshell, I'm just gonna say,

1058
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,200
we don't have high expectations for making any

1059
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,360
big meaningful change in this farm bill.

1060
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,440
But what we can do is get the

1061
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,240
narrative chain, starting to change the narrative and

1062
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,880
getting the media to report on the farm

1063
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,280
bill and bird flu and other issues related

1064
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,900
to agriculture policy in a more critical light,

1065
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,360
infusing it with our message.

1066
00:47:48,540 --> 00:47:50,320
That's a first big step.

1067
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,700
And maybe the next farm bill will see

1068
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,060
something a little bit different.

1069
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:58,660
This farm bill unfortunately is corrupted on both

1070
00:47:58,660 --> 00:47:59,660
sides of the aisle.

1071
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000
The Democrats are just as bad as the

1072
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,000
Republicans, even though I guess you could say

1073
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,060
the Republicans take more private money.

1074
00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:10,140
But in terms of the massive bailout, it's

1075
00:48:10,140 --> 00:48:11,920
the same in both sides.

1076
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,780
And right now we just need to get

1077
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:18,680
the message out that we can't stand for

1078
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,320
this anymore, that there needs to be a

1079
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:21,740
change.

1080
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:26,100
And so we're not gonna see any big

1081
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:29,940
policy change, but what our hope is, is

1082
00:48:29,940 --> 00:48:33,900
that we can inspire people to join us

1083
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:38,900
and we can start getting the public's attention

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00:48:38,900 --> 00:48:41,040
that there is another path forward.

1085
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:44,140
And when they see activists doing things highly

1086
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:47,760
publicised like this, it makes them realise that

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00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,440
there's a desperate need, urgent need for change.

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00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:54,840
How much publicity did that disruption get in

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00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,580
front of the USDA secretary?

1090
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,620
I mean, it's hard to measure, right?

1091
00:48:59,620 --> 00:49:01,960
Because there's a lot of social media posts

1092
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,660
from the different reporters that were there.

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00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:07,800
And there were some stories published in Bloomberg,

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00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,440
not stories, but newsletter mentions in Bloomberg and

1095
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Politico.

1096
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,680
So it's really hard to measure that.

1097
00:49:16,380 --> 00:49:19,440
Because one of the reasons we started Unchained

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00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,080
TV is that the news media is not

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00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,380
reporting on these things.

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00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:27,260
I mean, look, we went through a pandemic

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00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:31,360
and it really doesn't matter whether you thought

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00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,580
it started in the Wuhan market in China,

1103
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:37,440
where they were keeping thousands and thousands of

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00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,120
animals of many different species in cramped conditions

1105
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,720
and slaughtering them with blood and guts and

1106
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,860
faeces and everything else, or whether you think

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00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:46,460
it started in the lab where they were

1108
00:49:46,460 --> 00:49:47,300
torturing bats.

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00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,420
It's a zoonotic illness.

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00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,800
And the pandemic that people fear now with

1111
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,920
the bird flu would be a zoonotic illness.

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00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,780
That did not get people's attention.

1113
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:02,440
That's what worries me.

1114
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:05,220
Even a pandemic that shut down the entire

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00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:08,840
world for several years did not get the

1116
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,500
attention because the news media did not connect

1117
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:12,400
the dots.

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00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
They showed the Wuhan market in the very

1119
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,460
first days of the pandemic and then, right?

1120
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:24,820
Just like Michelle Obama tried to get people

1121
00:50:24,820 --> 00:50:27,840
hooked on veggies when she did her garden

1122
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,140
in the White House with the vegetables, and

1123
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:31,820
what happened?

1124
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Suddenly it was turned into let's move.

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00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,700
I don't wanna sound like a conspiracy theorist,

1126
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,860
but it switched to exercise.

1127
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:44,700
So there is, I think, a conspiracy of

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00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:46,620
silence about these issues.

1129
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,580
And I'm not saying that everybody gets together

1130
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,520
and has a meeting, but it's a cultural

1131
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,040
thing.

1132
00:50:52,460 --> 00:50:56,780
I mean, it reminds me of LGBT, right?

1133
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,000
The love that dare not speak its name.

1134
00:50:59,260 --> 00:51:01,620
And now we have the truth that dare

1135
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:04,920
not speak its name about animal agriculture's horrific

1136
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,960
impact on a wide range of issues.

1137
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:11,700
And so that's a big problem.

1138
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:14,840
That's, can I just say something real quick

1139
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,260
is that if you, how other social movements

1140
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:20,560
got the media's attention is very interesting to

1141
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,080
look at.

1142
00:51:22,060 --> 00:51:25,700
They did bold, creative actions that compelled the

1143
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:29,080
media to cover it, that they couldn't ignore

1144
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,300
it because it was either interesting or created

1145
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:34,380
enough controversy that the media glammed onto it.

1146
00:51:35,250 --> 00:51:37,420
But they're not gonna cover us standing on

1147
00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:38,020
a street corner.

1148
00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:41,640
They're not gonna cover us doing routine things.

1149
00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:45,360
They've gotta be extraordinarily different or things that

1150
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,620
they just can't avoid covering.

1151
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:49,740
So like, that's why we stopped complaining about

1152
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:53,140
the media not covering our previous events.

1153
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,600
And we said, we're just gonna go where

1154
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:55,480
the media is going.

1155
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,140
They're gonna be in this Farm Bill hearing.

1156
00:51:57,340 --> 00:52:00,240
Every single major media outlet is going to

1157
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,420
be at this Farm Bill hearing.

1158
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,780
And we are gonna get right in front

1159
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:05,320
of the cameras with our message, with our

1160
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,380
voices and our signs and get covered.

1161
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,000
So that's what we, if we want media

1162
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,400
attention, we have to get in front of

1163
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:12,580
them.

1164
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:15,920
Yeah, well, you know what they say, if

1165
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,880
we wanna get attention in our movement, we

1166
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,480
have to either get arrested or get naked.

1167
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,320
And then when you get arrested as you

1168
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,600
have, Robert, they say, well, you know, they're

1169
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:27,080
disruptive.

1170
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,400
And then when you get naked, they make

1171
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:29,800
fun of you.

1172
00:52:29,940 --> 00:52:31,800
So they try to put you in a

1173
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,280
situation, a context where there's no win, just

1174
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,380
like with the vegan movement in general, where

1175
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:40,080
people would say, what do you eat, grass?

1176
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,460
So we created all these alternatives where there's

1177
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:49,000
veggie burgers and even veggie ribs and veggie

1178
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,620
eggs and veggie cheese.

1179
00:52:50,820 --> 00:52:52,180
And then they say, oh, it's processed.

1180
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,140
So they try to put you in a

1181
00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:55,940
situation where you can't win.

1182
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:58,940
And guess who is the real loser?

1183
00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:01,880
They are, because when we go down, we're

1184
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,520
all gonna go down, okay?

1185
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,700
So certainly people in certain climes are gonna

1186
00:53:07,700 --> 00:53:10,840
suffer more severely and sooner.

1187
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:14,680
I mean, large swaths of Latin America and

1188
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,240
large swaths of Africa are already suffering, but

1189
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,700
it's affecting everybody.

1190
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,220
And we have here in California, they don't

1191
00:53:22,220 --> 00:53:24,780
wanna give insurance to some homes because of

1192
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:25,540
climate crisis.

1193
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,700
We have situation where it's people, delivery people

1194
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:31,600
are collapsing on the street from the heat

1195
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,580
and still nothing gets through to the media,

1196
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,340
to the government, to members of Congress.

1197
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:43,260
It's a scary situation.

1198
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,680
I do believe in the law of unintended

1199
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,500
consequences.

1200
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:52,620
I believe personally that big thinkers, the very

1201
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:55,380
smart people, whether they're in Silicon Valley or

1202
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:58,560
wherever they may be are gonna realise, woo,

1203
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,660
it doesn't matter how much money I have.

1204
00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:05,200
If we have a completely unlivable planet, my

1205
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,820
money isn't gonna mean that much.

1206
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,420
Maybe they, maybe they will decide that they've

1207
00:54:12,420 --> 00:54:14,740
gotta take action and change the system.

1208
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,840
I wanna thank both of you so much

1209
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:18,700
for being here.

1210
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,600
We are gonna stay on top of this

1211
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:22,940
farm bill because I honestly believe it is

1212
00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:26,040
perhaps the most important issue of our time

1213
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,000
because all of those fast food restaurants you

1214
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,240
see in every Miracle Mile across the country,

1215
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,280
nobody would be walking into them if the

1216
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,780
burgers and the chicken wings cost what the

1217
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:42,220
market would bear, which would be exponentially higher.

1218
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,920
The only reason those items are as cheap

1219
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,980
as they are is because your tax dollars

1220
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,040
are being forced to subsidise them.

1221
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,420
Think about that.

1222
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,900
And please think about your food choices because

1223
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:56,960
ultimately this is a consumer issue.

1224
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,640
All of this would go away overnight if

1225
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:06,060
people started switching to vegan plant-based options.

1226
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,000
And no, vegan is not a dirty word.

1227
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,560
So that's why we do what we do

1228
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,960
at Unchained TV.

1229
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,300
I wanna thank you again and urge everybody

1230
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:18,660
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1231
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1233
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:27,440
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