Why Music Icon Moby Is Praising Chicken Rescue Defendant Zoe Rosenberg

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You are watching a moment in history.

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The defense case has begun in the trial

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of Zoe Rosenberg, what's being called the Chicken

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Rescue Trial, and it's going to be really

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historic as Zoe says it was worth it

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all to rescue these four innocent beings that

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she rescued from a slaughter truck way back

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in 2023.

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This is the moment that everybody's been waiting

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for since June 2023.

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You're seeing her commit the alleged crime for

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which she is charged, rescuing four chickens from

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a slaughter truck in Sonoma County, California.

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She could do five years in prison and

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we are going to hear from a very

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special guest in just a moment who will

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bring us an entirely new perspective in this

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case.

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But first, let's go straight out to the

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courthouse where our reporter Matthew Zirbel is standing

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by as supporters of Zoe Rosenberg gather to

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enter the courtroom in just a couple of

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minutes.

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So without further ado, we are going to

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go straight out to Matthew Zirbel.

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Matthew, just give us a sense of what's

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happening there, the intensity, the emotion.

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Yeah Jane, well we've got a lot of

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people gathered and this is still early.

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We're expecting I think a good number of

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people more to gather as we get a

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little bit closer to the start of court

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which is in about a half an hour

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now.

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So we're all very excited to hear Carla

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and Rocky's testimony today.

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Carla, especially being able to testify as an

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expert witness, will be able to say just

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a little bit unfortunately, but a fair bit

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of what she was experiencing, what her conclusions

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were about the chickens that she rescued.

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And so the trial is about to really

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shift from what happened to why it all

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happened.

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And there's a picture of Carla.

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She was the one who took in the

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chickens after Zoe Rosenberg rescued them.

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Can you flesh that out a little bit?

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Yeah, unfortunately I don't know the full timeline

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of events afterwards.

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So I'll be learning in court along with

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the jury, but I believe so.

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I believe she took in the chickens, did

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the initial caregiving, sent her report over to

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Dr. Rosenberg.

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Thank you so much.

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We'll be back to you in a second.

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Now our very special guest.

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This is Tracy Glover and she runs a

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Sweet Peeps Chicken Sanctuary in Alabama.

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Tracy, who are you with?

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You've been following this case.

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What are your thoughts and feelings about it?

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Hi, yeah, thanks so much for having me.

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This is Jasmine and Jasmine is the same

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kind of chicken that Zoe rescued, a Cornish

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cross.

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She also was rescued from a factory farm

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about six years ago.

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And when I watch the footage of the

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rescue, all I can think is about my

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chickens.

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So I currently have 24 right now and

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every single one of them, I mean, they're

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sentient beings.

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So, you know, to see them crammed into

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that crate, I just can't imagine that they're

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not having like wings broken or bones broken.

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I mean, they're living beings.

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They're not things.

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And it just, I can't even quite put

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into words how much it hurts my heart

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to think about somebody like Jasmine being treated

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like that.

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Jasmine and every other chicken here is an

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individual.

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They are intelligent, they are sensitive, they have

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emotions.

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They're not different in any relevant way from

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our dogs and our cats.

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I also have dogs and cats and, you

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know, they're all individuals.

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But the bond I have with the chickens

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is the same.

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And I just, you know, if we wouldn't

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do it to dogs and cats, then I

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don't, you know, we shouldn't be doing it

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to chickens.

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So many people have talked about this case

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as really highlighting a cultural divide.

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When the officer in the prosecution's case testified,

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he referred to the chickens as products and

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said, I wouldn't interact with these products because

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of contamination risk.

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What is your reaction to that?

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Essentially, I mean, let's face it, to give

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him a little leeway, everybody who buys chickens

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in the store when they're dead refers to

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them as products essentially.

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Right.

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I mean, it's just such a fiction.

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It's such a, it's so counter to reality.

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Um, you know, I mean, again, like, yeah,

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when people buy animal products in the store

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and they are already, you know, they've already

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been slaughtered and cut up and they don't

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resemble the living being that they were.

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But like, especially you're talking about these animals

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at the slaughterhouse, they're obviously not things, they're

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living beings.

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Like, I mean, I think it, though, it

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reflects so, um, accurately the way that they're

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treated.

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Like if they were things, it would be

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okay to treat them like in the industry

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does.

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But, um, it's just such a lie.

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It's, it's such a, I mean, I think

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it's, it's like the lie that we have

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to tell in order to be able to

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do to them what we do.

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But, you know, you, you just, it's just

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not reality.

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Um, it's like we can, you know, when

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you see the animals themselves and especially, I

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mean, I wish everybody had a chance to

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get to know them as individuals.

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Um, because it's, it just puts the lie

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to that whole, um, story that we've been

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told, you know, I think our whole lives

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in this society that chickens and the other

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animals that we eat are, um, fundamentally somehow

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different from other living beings like dogs and

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cats.

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Um, and, uh, I mean, I don't know,

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just to hear them talk about his products

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is it's, it's just, it's just insanity.

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It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's insane.

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It's so disconnected from the reality.

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Like this is obviously not a product.

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Jasmine is not a product.

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Jasmine is a living being, um, who feels

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pain and, and on the other side, like

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feels joy.

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Like, you know, the animals at sanctuary, the

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animals here, they're such a joyful, happy, sweet,

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little people.

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They feel safe here.

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And that's the other thing is like, just

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thinking about, you know, my, my whole goal,

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my whole mission here is to keep these

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animals safe and to make them feel safe.

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Um, and to see all those animals in

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the video, um, uh, with the you just

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know that those animals are terrified and they're

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babies.

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Um, you know, I mean, I see here

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all the time, if there's, you know, a

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Hawk or something and one of the chickens

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will spot the Hawk and, you know, you

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can see the fear on their faces and

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they run for cover or, you know, if,

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if a strange person even comes onto the

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property, they don't know if they can trust

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them or not.

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And you could just see it in their

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faces.

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They look to me like, is this person

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okay?

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Is this situation okay?

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Um, and I mean, again, these are babies

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or, you know, what, six, maybe eight weeks

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old.

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They're just these innocent, fragile, I mean, fragile

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and to cram them in there like that.

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Um, I mean, if they, again, if they

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were products, if they were inanimate objects, that

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would be fine, but they're not, they're living

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beings.

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Um, and they're trying, you know, I can't

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even imagine the trauma of that baby right

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there, the fear, um, just, just the misery

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of, of their whole existence.

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And every chicken that was shoved back there,

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they're dead, right?

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Right.

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Right.

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4,000 chickens, approximately according to the defense

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in every truck.

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And one of the reasons I just want

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to state why this is an historic trial

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is that it really goes to the heart

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of animal agriculture companies aside, chickens are the

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most killed by far.

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This is figures from 2022, more than 75

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billion chickens.

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If you were to remove chickens from the

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food chain, the number of animals kill would

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drop by 95% approximately.

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Now, let me say this, uh, Purdue is

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invited on any time.

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They say they have high animal welfare standards,

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no cages or crates.

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Well, okay.

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But obviously that's not true during transportation because

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they were transported in crates in the truck.

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Um, so we invite them on any time

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to discuss that.

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And, um, also they have an entire website

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devoted to their record on animal welfare, corporate

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.purduefarms.com forward slash responsibility forward slash animal

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care.

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They say they're a leader in animal welfare,

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dedicated to the highest standards of animal care

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and give their bird space to roam to

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the outdoors.

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And basically say DXC is an extremist group

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with the ultimate goal of ending animal agriculture.

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So before we move on and go back

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to court, what is your reaction?

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And again, we invite them on any time

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and, and that those trucks are industry standards.

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They're not unique to this company or any

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company, but right.

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Just in the transportation, what would you say?

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I mean, like one thing too, that in,

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um, in that list of, you know, humane,

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uh, conditions, um, and it says the ability

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to express their natural behaviors.

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I don't even know how they could make

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that claim.

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Um, I mean, there's obviously nothing natural about

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that truck, but also, you know, I don't

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know where they're coming from.

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Um, but for sure in that moment, they're

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still alive.

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And, um, that's just, uh, uh, I mean,

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I don't know how a living being, like

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how you could think that they wouldn't be

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injured, um, treating them like that.

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Um, yeah.

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I mean, I just think it's, it's, uh,

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it's a lot of propaganda on that.

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I'm, you know, it seems to me, this

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is a crate.

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That's a crate.

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And this is not natural.

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There's nothing natural about being packed in like,

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like this.

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Um, uh, it's just, um, yeah, I mean,

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it's, it's got to be, I'm sure that

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there are, if there, if there are 4

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,000 birds on that truck and Zoe rescued

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four, I mean, I bet, I can't imagine

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how many more had have injuries or other,

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um, you know, health issues besides just again,

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like the, the real, you know, these are

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emotional, sensitive beings.

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Like imagine if we did that to dogs

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or cats, just how, how, how terrified they

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would be.

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Um, so, I mean, I don't know.

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I think, uh, like you say, though, I

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mean, there's so much that is considered standard

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industry practice that is, that's legal that leads

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to tremendous suffering.

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That's tremendously cruel and we can't share it

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with who they really are.

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Um, and so we have to about who

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they are.

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I mean, like Jasmine, again, she was rescued

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from a factory farm over six years ago.

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Um, uh, you know, the typical age that

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these birds are sent to slaughter is six

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to eight weeks old.

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The birds in that crate in the video,

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they're six to eight weeks old max.

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They look older because they've been so genetically

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manipulated to grow so big that they appear

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to be almost like adults, but they're babies.

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I promised they were peeping.

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They were peeping like chicks peep.

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Um, and, um, they can have, uh, you

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know, like their lives, obviously like you said,

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the rest of them, the rest of them

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have all been sent to slaughter.

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Whereas the four that Zoe rescued right there,

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they're getting to live the lives that they

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deserve to have.

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Um, I mean, Jasmine for one, again, this

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is like one bird, every single one.

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I see how she's nuzzling under your arm.

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She would stay.

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I mean, sometimes like, again, if there's like

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a good treat or something, she might, you

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know, decide she wants to go somewhere, but

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otherwise she'll just sit in my arms.

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Like when I go out into the yard,

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they all come over to me.

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They all want attention.

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They all want to have their little like

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heads rubbed and their cheeks rubbed.

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And they're just, they like to snuggle.

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I mean, they're so, and they, you know,

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and again, they all have these individual personalities.

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They're so much smarter than people know.

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Um, you know, I did this film for

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you or with you.

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Um, and one of the chickens in that

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film, sunshine is we featured.

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And, um, she's one of the chickens who

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sleeps in the house at night.

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And like every night at bedtime, she comes,

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she goes outside during the day to be

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with her sisters.

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But every night at like dinnertime, she comes

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to the door and she waits for me,

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like on the dot, like she doesn't wear

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a watch, but she knows what time it

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is.

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And then I opened the door.

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I have to open like four doors.

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She just knows the whole way through the

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yard and then through the porch and then

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through the house.

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And she makes her way to her own

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little kennel.

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Uh, I mean, they're, they're so much smarter

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than, than people know.

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Um, and I think, you know, we have

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this like misconception that if they, if, if,

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uh, if they're, if they're stupid enough, then

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like they're suffering, then they can't suffer or

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something.

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And that just doesn't make any sense.

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Like, like babies, babies can suffer.

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I mean, we know, you know, it's like,

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it doesn't make sense.

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And it's not true.

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Like, even if they were not smart, it

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wouldn't be okay to treat them the way

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that we treat them just as in the

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same way that it's not okay to treat,

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uh, you know, somebody with like a mental

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disability or a baby or, uh, you know,

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a senior, um, you know, you had mentioned

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dogs and what's interesting is, of course, there

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is as it, there should be an uproar

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about what some other societies and not very

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many, and there's animal rights movements in all

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those societies, but look what is done to

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these dogs going to market for food and

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Americans are outraged, screaming at the top of

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their lungs as they should be.

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Right.

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But you make the point that chickens are

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not that different.

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We really want to draw the line at

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chickens.

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Final comment.

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I think I would, you know, reiterate what

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you said that, um, if you want, if

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we want to reduce the greatest amount of

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suffering as fast as possible, like just stop

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eating chickens, a lot of people, you know,

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they, as they're, as they see the, um,

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environmental implications and everything of eating meat, you

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know, they often want to, we'll start with

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the larger animals and that they end up

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eating more of the smaller animals, which means

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more animals dying and more suffering.

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Um, I think just, you know, to, to,

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to reiterate they're, they're sensitive, emotional beings with

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like rich inner lives and they don't want

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to suffer and they want to live.

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And so just, um, give up eating chickens

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and you can do so much good.

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You can reduce so much suffering in the

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world.

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And before you go, can you just, just

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bring Jasmine a little closer to the camera

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so we can see her beautiful face.

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Yeah.

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Thank you Jasmine for being our very special

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guests.

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We have an exclusive with Jasmine, the chicken

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at the Sweet Peeps Animal Sanctuary in Alabama.

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Thank you so very much.

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Appreciate you.

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Appreciate you.

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All right.

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We're going to go out now to, back

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to Matthew.

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Okay.

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We've got 15 minutes till the start of

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the defense case.

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Um, just give us a sense of the

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importance and the drama of this moment.

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Yeah.

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This is going to be the turning point

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where we get to talk about how the

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chickens were treated.

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What's like the situation that they found themselves

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in was immediately after the rescue.

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And so this is really where we get

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to talk about all the things we've been

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trying to get in.

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And it's very fortunate that we've been able

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to get in Zoe's, all of this is

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on the basis of Zoe's ability to say,

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I had a necessity defense.

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Now she's not allowed to argue in court

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that the necessity defense actually applies here.

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The judge has ruled that it does not,

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unfortunately, but she does get to argue because

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she's being charged with conspiracy that her belief

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in necessity meant that she was not planning

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to do anything illegal.

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And that was because of her good faith

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belief that it was legal to rescue chickens

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when they're being abused.

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And for good faith belief that the chickens

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at the slaughter house were being abused.

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And so that's informed by the jury, the

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actual conditions of the chickens, which Carla will

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be able to testify to.

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And that's why all of that is able

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to be discussed in court.

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And it'll be really interesting to see how

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much of it gets to get thrown to

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the jury and what the jury will make

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of it.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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This is very exciting.

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I want to bring in first our legal

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analyst, Justine Block.

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Now, one of the things that happened, of

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course, when the prosecution ends its case in

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chief, there is this opportunity before the defense

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starts for the defense to say, they didn't

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make their case, throw it all out.

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That's what the defense tried to do.

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The judge did not throw the case out,

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but he did make a ruling eliminating one

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of the aggravating factors.

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Can you tell us about that?

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Because that is a victory for the defense.

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Sure, Jane.

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What happened after the prosecution rested their case

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is that the defense asked for a directed

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verdict, basically saying that, would the judge acquit

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the defendant because the prosecution failed to present

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legally sufficient evidence to prove their case?

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So as you mentioned, the judge did not

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acquit on the three charges that the defense

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brought up and had made arguments to ask

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for those charges to be dropped.

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It's very unusual, very rare that that would

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happen.

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So those charges, there's total of four charges.

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So those are still proceeding.

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However, there was a success, as you mentioned,

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on an aggravating factor.

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There were two aggravating factors and both of

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them relate to the felony conspiracy charge.

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And those are factors that are considered in

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sentencing.

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If Zoe is found guilty and convicted on

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felony conspiracy and those aggravating factors that the

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prosecution put in their complaint are one that

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the crime indicates planning, sophistication, or professionalism, the

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judge did not dismiss that factor.

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And the second factor is inducement or leadership

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of co-conspirators.

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So the judge agreed with the defense that

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the prosecution didn't present enough evidence in their

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case to support that aggravating factor.

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However, he did leave a little room for

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the prosecution to bring it up again after

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the defense rests and for the judge to

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reconsider whether that aggravating factor would apply depending

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on the testimony presented by the witnesses.

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If Zoe testifies, it would be on her

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testimony and potential rebuttal witnesses as to that

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aggravating factor.

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A very good summary.

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So it was a victory for the defense,

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but it could come back.

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The judge could reconsider.

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And basically the aggravating factor is she's a

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leader and she inspired others to commit crimes.

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And the judge said, no, there's not enough

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evidence to show that she was in any

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kind of leadership position.

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But after she testifies, after the defense case,

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they could come back and rebuttal.

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And I get the feeling because the prosecution

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only called, correct me if I'm wrong, three

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witnesses, a cop and two employees, that they're

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planning on some big monster rebuttal case.

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We'll see if that happens.

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Certainly they're trying to think outside the box

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because other defendants in similar cases have been

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acquitted.

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Notably Alexandra Paul, the former Baywatch actress who

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also rescued a chicken.

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She was acquitted in another county.

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So they're changing the game up a little

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bit.

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So let me get to some really exciting

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news.

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Our reporter, Michelle Celestino with Unchained TV ran

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into Moby, the music icon over the weekend.

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And she asked him about this case and

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what he thought about it.

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And I've got his soundbite coming up here

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in a second.

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And where is it?

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Just so you know, we have many, many

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soundbites that we accumulate here for, here it

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is.

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Let's listen to Moby.

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And essentially Moby is calling Zoe Rosenberg a

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hero.

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This is news.

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So the fact that the Chronicle and Yahoo

540
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,500
News are covering it and calling it a

541
00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,540
chicken rescue trial, I think that's great.

542
00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:54,300
I mean, yeah, so it's people want to

543
00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:55,520
do the right things, but I feel like

544
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,640
everyone's just so overwhelmed.

545
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,260
He made a movie last summer and Zoe

546
00:21:58,260 --> 00:21:59,000
was in the movie.

547
00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,620
What I would say to Zoe, because I've

548
00:22:03,620 --> 00:22:05,520
never been in that situation, so I can't

549
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,480
be so presumptuous as to say I understand

550
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:07,880
it.

551
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:12,360
But when you look at history, the number

552
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,480
of people who've been where she is, the

553
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,360
people who've been arrested and persecuted for their

554
00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:22,520
ethical beliefs, she's certainly in good historical company.

555
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,900
She's in company with Cesar Chavez and Martin

556
00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,120
Luther King Jr. and on and on and

557
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,020
on with the suffragettes.

558
00:22:32,300 --> 00:22:35,240
So many people have been arrested for doing

559
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:35,980
the right thing.

560
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,360
So I don't know if there's any comfort

561
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,660
in that, but she's certainly on the right

562
00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:41,340
side of history.

563
00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:45,680
And thank you to our reporter, Michelle Celestino,

564
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:46,860
for getting that interview.

565
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,860
Tiffany Brunelli, former law enforcement investigator turned Direct

566
00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:53,000
Action Everywhere member.

567
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,080
What's your reaction to what Moby had to

568
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,420
say?

569
00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:01,410
Oh, she's definitely on the right side of

570
00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:01,830
history.

571
00:23:02,090 --> 00:23:05,050
Just to put her up there with Martin

572
00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:07,310
Luther King and the others he mentioned.

573
00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:08,430
Yes, I agree.

574
00:23:08,550 --> 00:23:10,070
She's on the right side of history.

575
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:13,930
And I just keep thinking about the quote

576
00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:18,110
or what the responding officer said that when

577
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:22,290
he was asked by the prosecution, you know,

578
00:23:22,350 --> 00:23:24,770
did you check the condition of these animals?

579
00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:27,330
The prosecution even used the word animals.

580
00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:30,950
I still can't get around why the responding

581
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:35,590
officer said, called the chickens products.

582
00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:38,790
I just, I can't imagine if he responded

583
00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:41,130
to a call of child abuse or even

584
00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:43,930
like a fighting dog ring, would he say

585
00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:44,650
products?

586
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,490
Did the prosecution prep him on that?

587
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:49,050
Did he come up with that himself?

588
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:53,750
It's just so distancing from the whole scenario.

589
00:23:54,050 --> 00:23:56,050
Like why would I check the products?

590
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:59,170
It's hard for me to get my mind

591
00:23:59,170 --> 00:24:00,590
around that.

592
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,490
Well, also what stood out to me is

593
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:10,730
that he had indicated that he didn't investigate

594
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:14,070
the products, the animals, the sentient beings, because

595
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:18,090
he was not aware of any issues surrounding

596
00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:21,910
them, which according to the defense he had

597
00:24:21,910 --> 00:24:24,890
in a previous hearing, like a preliminary hearing

598
00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:27,850
stated that he was aware of a controversy.

599
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:30,570
But my point is you have to be

600
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:31,650
living under a rock.

601
00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:34,330
It's not like this is happening in New

602
00:24:34,330 --> 00:24:36,630
York city where there's five boroughs and 8

603
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:37,430
million people.

604
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:42,030
This area is relatively small and everybody who

605
00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:45,930
lives there knows about direct action everywhere and

606
00:24:45,930 --> 00:24:51,430
the gazillion protests and open rescues and all

607
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:53,270
sorts of events that have been happening in

608
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:56,610
Northern California for years now.

609
00:24:56,810 --> 00:25:00,850
I'll just point to one here, a massive

610
00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:03,750
open rescue where the police showed up in

611
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:08,430
force again in Northern California in this general

612
00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:09,030
region.

613
00:25:09,210 --> 00:25:14,510
How could you not know about the claims

614
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:18,230
of direct action everywhere that they have tried

615
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:21,970
to submit to law enforcement for decades, not

616
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:25,150
decades, excuse me, for many years, let's say

617
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:31,070
a half a decade, saying essentially that there

618
00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:35,610
is ongoing animal cruelty at all these factory

619
00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:36,110
farms.

620
00:25:36,430 --> 00:25:41,550
Essentially, and correct me if I'm wrong, but

621
00:25:41,550 --> 00:25:44,030
what direct action everywhere is saying is the

622
00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:47,370
institution of factory farming itself is inherently cruel.

623
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:53,050
Industrialized animal agriculture that kills 140,000 chickens

624
00:25:53,050 --> 00:25:57,530
every minute on this planet is inherently cruel.

625
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:59,970
The systems are inherently cruel.

626
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:04,050
I find it very hard to believe that

627
00:26:04,050 --> 00:26:08,410
any law enforcement officer could be living in

628
00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:11,530
that part of California and not be aware

629
00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:13,870
that there is a controversy over the treatment

630
00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:19,430
of animals in these industrialized facilities, whether it

631
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:22,010
be the factory farm or the slaughterhouse.

632
00:26:22,810 --> 00:26:24,190
I'm going to go back to you, Tiffany,

633
00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:26,550
because you are a member of direct action

634
00:26:26,550 --> 00:26:29,030
everywhere and you're a former law enforcement investigator.

635
00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:31,710
Yes, Jane, I think that was all a

636
00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:32,890
great point.

637
00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:35,210
I remember I was up there for Wayne's

638
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:40,710
sentencing hearing and rally when Zoe and Rocky

639
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:41,970
and others were arrested.

640
00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:46,750
They must have had at least 10 officers

641
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:50,450
just swarm us just to do those simple

642
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:51,990
arrests during a rally.

643
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:54,990
I don't know if they were planning on,

644
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,550
we were going to get violent, but they

645
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:58,950
know it's not a violent group.

646
00:26:59,370 --> 00:27:02,790
How big can this police department be, Petaluma

647
00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:03,730
Police Department?

648
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:08,770
These are sheriffs here that we're looking at.

649
00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:12,630
By the way, the young man with the

650
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:18,410
rose and the light green jacket, that is

651
00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:19,090
Rocky Chow.

652
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:20,570
He's going to be one of the first

653
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:21,250
witnesses.

654
00:27:22,170 --> 00:27:24,970
Then the other first witness is going to

655
00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:28,790
be Carla Cabral, who is a well-known

656
00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:31,050
animal activist in her own right.

657
00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:34,090
Yes, she has been arrested in a recent

658
00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:35,050
goat rescue.

659
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:38,870
She is on the witness stand probably two

660
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:42,430
minutes away from taking the stand right now

661
00:27:42,430 --> 00:27:45,790
as the first witness in the defense, the

662
00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:48,790
one who received the four chickens, we are

663
00:27:48,790 --> 00:27:49,150
told.

664
00:27:49,570 --> 00:27:51,310
Obviously, I can't predict what's going to be

665
00:27:51,310 --> 00:27:53,250
said on the stand, but this is what's

666
00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:53,970
been reported.

667
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:56,250
These are the four chickens who are living

668
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:59,270
their best life now after having been rescued.

669
00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:01,830
This is the healthy version of them.

670
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:05,030
Of course, the version that they're going to

671
00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:07,290
be talking about is the version of what

672
00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:10,530
happened to them minutes after this rescue.

673
00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:13,810
Carla Cabral is going to testify.

674
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:17,430
The allegations are that they had scratches, they

675
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:20,790
had bruises, they were traumatized, and they also

676
00:28:20,790 --> 00:28:22,310
had bacteria.

677
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:28,550
We could hear from Carla Cabral as a

678
00:28:28,550 --> 00:28:29,330
defense witness.

679
00:28:29,610 --> 00:28:36,130
Additionally, another witness is going to be Zoe

680
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:37,650
Rosenberg's own mother.

681
00:28:38,510 --> 00:28:41,910
Zoe Rosenberg's own mother, the defendant's mother, is

682
00:28:41,910 --> 00:28:43,150
a veterinarian.

683
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:46,750
She also is going to testify.

684
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:53,310
As we bring this together, this all could

685
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:56,070
happen before Zoe takes the stand.

686
00:28:56,710 --> 00:29:00,790
Just to recap and review, we're going to

687
00:29:00,790 --> 00:29:04,150
have Carla Cabral, we're going to have Rocky,

688
00:29:04,750 --> 00:29:08,550
we're going to have Dr. Rosenberg, Zoe's mother,

689
00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:12,730
and we may also have this woman.

690
00:29:13,950 --> 00:29:18,270
Let me get to her image, Raven Deerbrook.

691
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:21,990
She is a famed undercover investigator who is

692
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:25,350
most notable for having gone into a pig

693
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:28,610
slaughterhouse and been one of the only people

694
00:29:28,610 --> 00:29:31,730
on the planet to videotape the pig gas

695
00:29:31,730 --> 00:29:35,930
chambers, uncovering to the world that these pigs

696
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:38,030
scream and writhe to death as they are

697
00:29:38,030 --> 00:29:39,270
slowly suffocated.

698
00:29:39,790 --> 00:29:42,710
Very different from the, oh, they just fall

699
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:46,410
asleep peacefully storyline that the public has been

700
00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:46,710
given.

701
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:52,410
These are hardcore, although nonviolent in the extreme,

702
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:56,390
extreme in their nonviolence, animal cruelty investigators.

703
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:59,110
This woman literally risked her life.

704
00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:00,790
I interviewed her after that and she said

705
00:30:00,790 --> 00:30:03,610
she was just literally moments away.

706
00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:05,970
If she had not grabbed on one thing

707
00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:07,650
and pulled herself out, would have died in

708
00:30:07,650 --> 00:30:08,330
the gas chamber.

709
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:12,150
It's fair to say that whatever you have

710
00:30:12,150 --> 00:30:14,790
to say about these folks, however you feel

711
00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:16,430
about them, they are courageous.

712
00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:22,630
Zoe Rosenberg is actually, in her own words,

713
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:25,410
potentially risking her life as she has a

714
00:30:25,410 --> 00:30:30,770
lifelong from birth type one diabetes and a

715
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:33,570
health problem that she was born with that

716
00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:37,090
requires her to have medication and all sorts

717
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:39,810
of equipment that she was told, or she

718
00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:41,830
said that law enforcement told her that they

719
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:43,690
can't always provide behind bars.

720
00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:49,030
Let's listen to something else that Zoe had

721
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:52,970
to say about the prosecution's case.

722
00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:55,910
Remember it was one law enforcement officer and

723
00:30:55,910 --> 00:30:59,910
two people who work for the company.

724
00:31:00,530 --> 00:31:01,670
And one was a woman.

725
00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:03,210
Let's listen to this.

726
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:06,490
She testified that I caused about $28,000

727
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:09,830
in losses on June 13th and about $75

728
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:13,750
,000 in losses on the following Saturday in

729
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:16,850
overtime that they had to pay employees during

730
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:17,770
cross-examination.

731
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:19,550
She was asked about footage that was taken

732
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:22,110
on the of birds flailing who clearly were

733
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:23,050
not stunned properly.

734
00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:24,890
And she was a bit dodgy with those

735
00:31:24,890 --> 00:31:25,490
questions.

736
00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:29,210
She also admitted that birds sometimes eat condemned

737
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:31,310
chickens out of the dumpster, which is very

738
00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:34,230
concerning because wild birds can be getting sick

739
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:35,550
from those chickens.

740
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:37,030
In fact, a lot of the birds who

741
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:39,010
are thrown in the dumpster are thrown in

742
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:41,630
the dumpster because they are infected with concerning

743
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:42,150
bacteria.

744
00:31:42,890 --> 00:31:45,910
So a couple of things, I'm going to

745
00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:47,650
go back to Tracy in a second to

746
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:49,510
talk to her about this idea of the

747
00:31:49,510 --> 00:31:52,910
other birds, wildlife eating the condemned birds.

748
00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:57,210
But when it comes to money, Justine Block,

749
00:31:57,290 --> 00:31:58,110
you're our attorney.

750
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:03,890
So they're saying it cost, I think she

751
00:32:03,890 --> 00:32:07,410
said $28,000 the night of, and then

752
00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:10,650
more from lost overtime for a total of

753
00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:12,030
almost $100,000.

754
00:32:12,690 --> 00:32:15,070
What are your thoughts on that?

755
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:19,390
I mean, how important is the money?

756
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:20,990
I always say, follow the money.

757
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,680
What's going on there with that witness's testimony

758
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,340
for the prosecution is I'm gathering that the

759
00:32:30,340 --> 00:32:34,620
prosecution's trying to prove their elements of the

760
00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:38,980
crime of trespass Remember, there's two counts of

761
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:39,520
trespass.

762
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,180
And one of the trespass counts has to

763
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:47,020
do with committing the trespass by entering lands

764
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:49,940
for the purpose of injuring property or property

765
00:32:49,940 --> 00:32:54,020
rights with the intention of interfering or obstructing

766
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:56,400
or injuring the lawful business.

767
00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:59,720
And that's just part, I'm quoting part of

768
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,420
the charge, because that's what the prosecution's trying

769
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:10,000
to show is this action by Zoe on

770
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,580
the property of removing the chickens interfered with

771
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:14,300
their business.

772
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,700
And so they are saying they suffered damages,

773
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:18,880
financial damages.

774
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:23,400
But from what I gathered on the expos

775
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,300
about the back and forth, it's hard to

776
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:28,680
say without hearing it myself, but it seems

777
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,340
very weak in terms of the intent.

778
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,740
So I'm looking forward to hearing what the

779
00:33:33,740 --> 00:33:38,040
defense witnesses say about about this about the

780
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,120
situation and more about Zoe's intent because it

781
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,460
she specifically what she wasn't going there to

782
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:46,240
interfere with their business, she was going to

783
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,820
rescue the chickens and keep them from from

784
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:52,440
being they were sick.

785
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,700
So she you can see in the video

786
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,280
where she's pulling out the chickens, she's sorting

787
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,620
through to identify which ones are sick.

788
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,760
And the defense's position, as I understand, has

789
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,960
been to say, well, these chickens probably wouldn't

790
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,040
have been slaughtered for food consumption.

791
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,639
Anyway, if they're sick chickens, they are removed

792
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,320
from the line, they may not even be

793
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,900
stunned.

794
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,679
And and they're suffering.

795
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,100
If they're not stunned, they're hanging upside down

796
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:25,800
and not and just stunned and flailing their

797
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,020
arms or their wings are flailing.

798
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:32,159
And so the argument and position, as I

799
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,280
understand, is what the defense is trying to

800
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,760
say is that these animals may not even

801
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,440
been sold for food.

802
00:34:38,460 --> 00:34:40,179
So how is that even interfering with their

803
00:34:40,179 --> 00:34:42,860
business if they're just discarding these animals, the

804
00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:46,460
sick birds into piles, they're not entering the

805
00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:48,840
food chain is one and then this particular

806
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,800
witness that testified about the financial damages, she

807
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,900
couldn't say that that particular truck that Zoe's

808
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:59,360
at with the 4000 chickens didn't go through

809
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,220
the slaughterhouse that day.

810
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,220
So then they may not have this particular

811
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:06,300
truck may not have caused them and what

812
00:35:06,300 --> 00:35:09,080
Zoe's did in that video may not have

813
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,240
directly caused them any financial losses.

814
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,720
So they couldn't really tie that truck.

815
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,920
So the witness that they had didn't really

816
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,480
seem to deliver what the prosecution was wanting.

817
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:21,120
So I thought the defense was able to

818
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,940
poke a lot of holes in it.

819
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,460
And to leave enough for a reasonable doubt.

820
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,680
All the defense has to show is reasonable

821
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,380
doubt.

822
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,140
And and so I thought that was good

823
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:31,920
for the defense.

824
00:35:31,940 --> 00:35:34,760
And we'll see more about how they present

825
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,380
this today.

826
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:38,000
You raise a really important point.

827
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,120
All it takes is one juror and I

828
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,360
want to go back to Tracy Glover who

829
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:47,020
runs the Sweet Peeps Animal Sanctuary in Alabama.

830
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:48,840
Are you still there?

831
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,940
Is that Jasmine or is that somebody else?

832
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,400
I had somebody else for a minute Satya

833
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,500
but Satya was more interested in seeing what

834
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,900
kind of treats she could find but Jasmine

835
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,980
so Jasmine popped back up in my lap.

836
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:04,540
I didn't want to keep playing the chickens

837
00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:08,000
upside down over and over but I mean

838
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000
as you see again I think in a

839
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,320
way this is a defense of the company

840
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,020
itself.

841
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,640
These are standard procedures.

842
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:24,240
Industrialized animal agriculture is killing 75 excuse me

843
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,680
now it's really 80 or even 82 or

844
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,520
90 however you count it land animals alone

845
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,740
billion billion every year.

846
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,340
Is there any way to this is what

847
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:40,800
DXC says there's no nice way to kill

848
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,620
an animal who doesn't want to die.

849
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:46,140
Is there any nice way to kill 80

850
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:50,820
or 90 billion animals every year or which

851
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:54,440
amounts to approximately 140,000 chickens a minute

852
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,340
on this planet all the companies included.

853
00:36:57,980 --> 00:37:00,100
This is I think the essence of the

854
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:00,480
case.

855
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:06,120
All systems that we're seeing here are not

856
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,780
unique to any one company.

857
00:37:09,140 --> 00:37:12,460
Right I mean I think that's what makes

858
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:15,340
the case so hard I think all around

859
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:19,580
is that the company is trying to defend

860
00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:24,660
these standard practices that are inherently causing tremendous

861
00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:29,040
suffering like even if everything goes right they're

862
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,120
causing you know not just the death of

863
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,400
these animals who want to live like all

864
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,280
of us do but there's just inherent suffering

865
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,660
in the process and then you have these

866
00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:46,900
other instances like things like you know chickens

867
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,800
being boiled alive or not being properly stunned

868
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,260
before they're slaughtered and even though that's like

869
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:54,840
not supposed to happen it's to your point

870
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,200
about when you're killing this many animals and

871
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,680
like you know and it's all about the

872
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,700
bottom line right so the faster you can

873
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:05,240
kill the more animals the more profit and

874
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,020
that's what it's all about and the and

875
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:09,960
the faster you you do and you know

876
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,160
the more animals you kill the more animals

877
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,340
will fall through whatever minimal care standards are

878
00:38:17,340 --> 00:38:19,720
set up and even those minimal care standards

879
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:23,940
ensure suffering but it's also a guarantee when

880
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:26,980
the lines are running that fast that animals

881
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:29,980
will not even get the the bare minimum

882
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:33,940
protections and so things like being boiled alive

883
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:36,800
will are happening even if it's a fraction

884
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,720
of that total number it's millions it's probably

885
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,660
hundreds of millions of animals who are suffering

886
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:45,920
like they're not just being killed they are

887
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
being tortured before they're killed and they are

888
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,500
not products they're not widgets they're sweet individual

889
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,080
beings like jasmine like even right now like

890
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,880
little jasmine was like she kind of wants

891
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,360
to get she was thinking about getting up

892
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,940
my off my lap and i'm gonna let

893
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,480
her if she wants to because i don't

894
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,100
want her to for a moment to suffer

895
00:39:05,100 --> 00:39:09,140
um you know just just uh she's an

896
00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:11,460
individual being and her individual needs need to

897
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:14,180
be considered um that's just like the foundation

898
00:39:14,180 --> 00:39:17,460
of a compassionate society of like a base

899
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,860
a society that that reveres kindness at all

900
00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:25,760
and the industry is the antithesis of a

901
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,100
good society of a society where we care

902
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:32,080
for the vulnerable and the innocent where kindness

903
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,300
and compassion are revered and that's the you

904
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:39,920
know what's so um just just twisted about

905
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,300
this case is like here's this brave young

906
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:47,120
girl who is moved to this to take

907
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,280
that you know to risk her own liberty

908
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,180
and safety to um protect these innocent beings

909
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,100
she's moved by kindness and compassion and we

910
00:39:58,100 --> 00:40:02,060
are contemplating jailing her and i have to

911
00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:05,320
believe that most people would be on her

912
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,260
side but then it's like you look at

913
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:09,460
like you know what are the repercussions of

914
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:11,020
acquitting her and like what does that say

915
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:13,360
about the industry and you you can't escape

916
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,860
the the larger questions about whether or not

917
00:40:17,860 --> 00:40:20,140
this industry should exist and i think you

918
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:22,440
know if we believe in kindness if we

919
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,620
believe in compassion and if we think suffering

920
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:30,060
is wrong then this industry should not exist

921
00:40:30,060 --> 00:40:33,800
i mean first of all i want to

922
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,760
say that you're talking about the industry in

923
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,800
general the figures that we're talking about are

924
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,400
the industry in general 140 000 chickens killed

925
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,280
every minute globally there's 8.2 billion humans

926
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,060
at least on this planet and um unfortunately

927
00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:52,440
meat consumption continues to rise and that's why

928
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,480
this trial is such an important trial historically

929
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,760
because chickens are again the number one animal

930
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,040
killed and uh you know the last question

931
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,820
i have to ask you is why is

932
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:07,960
it that and do you see people change

933
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,280
their attitude toward chickens when they come to

934
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,200
your sanctuary because it seems that particularly chickens

935
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,620
i mean i've had people say to me

936
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:17,520
i don't eat meat i just eat chicken

937
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,220
uh they they just have a special quality

938
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:24,940
there's there's a wall yeah people who've woken

939
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:28,220
up about pigs and cows just aren't waking

940
00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:31,420
up about chickens yeah yeah i don't know

941
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:33,100
what that is but i have to admit

942
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,460
that i mean i think before i started

943
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:38,960
caring for chickens i was vegan um i

944
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,660
had been for like 15 years before i

945
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:42,960
took in my first rescues but i still

946
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,620
think that i felt more of a connection

947
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:48,340
with the larger mammals you know i don't

948
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:50,080
know if it's like that they have these

949
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,480
big eyes or if there's some like can

950
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,920
you know some more instinctive connection because they're

951
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,680
mammals and chickens are are birds i don't

952
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,300
know what that is but you know i

953
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,020
also think sometimes too it's that thing of

954
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:04,900
especially like you know the the chickens that

955
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:08,180
we raise for meat um cornish crosses they're

956
00:42:08,180 --> 00:42:09,700
all these big white birds the ones we

957
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:11,740
lay we we raise for eggs are mostly

958
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:14,860
these small white birds but they all just

959
00:42:14,860 --> 00:42:17,460
look indistinct it's hard especially to you know

960
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:19,560
you hear the numbers and it just they

961
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,260
just become like an undifferentiated mass when people

962
00:42:23,260 --> 00:42:26,800
come here and i put jasmine or fanny

963
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,720
or jojo eloise into somebody's arms and they

964
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,000
meet them people are stunned like people i

965
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,740
don't have a lot of visitors here because

966
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:36,660
it's a small sanctuary it's my home and

967
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:38,100
more than anything i want to make sure

968
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,360
that the animals here are safe and feel

969
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,860
comfortable and aren't stressed out but whenever anybody

970
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:44,940
does come and they get to hold one

971
00:42:44,940 --> 00:42:47,060
of these chickens especially and again because they're

972
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:48,520
all individuals right some don't want to be

973
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,040
held so i i basically you know i

974
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,440
asked like do you want to be held

975
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,040
and there are some like jasmine who who

976
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,960
loves to be held by she had made

977
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,140
anybody you know she just wants to be

978
00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:00,640
snuggled all the time and people come and

979
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,080
they meet them and they go like oh

980
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,560
my god i had no idea is this

981
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,120
what chickens are like i'll never eat another

982
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,500
chicken again and they don't um and um

983
00:43:08,500 --> 00:43:10,240
so i think it has has a lot

984
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,660
to do with like we don't know who

985
00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:13,320
they are even to you know i mean

986
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,120
it's not very common anymore that people like

987
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,820
grow up on farms but even the people

988
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:18,940
i know who've grown up on farms have

989
00:43:18,940 --> 00:43:21,100
had the you know they've had chickens as

990
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,540
a product to be exploited and so they

991
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:26,020
haven't treated them they haven't you know it

992
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,960
hasn't been like the norm to treat them

993
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,160
with the gentleness and kindness that you need

994
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,880
to treat them with for them to earn

995
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,800
your trust or to earn their trust and

996
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,400
so i you know i think people will

997
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:38,880
come and they'll say like oh every farm

998
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,260
i've ever been at the chickens run away

999
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:41,640
from you they don't run from you like

1000
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,340
no of course they don't run from me

1001
00:43:43,340 --> 00:43:44,960
they run to me because they know i'm

1002
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,780
safe so i just i don't know i

1003
00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:50,020
think people don't know them um and they're

1004
00:43:50,020 --> 00:43:53,800
presented as this amorphous mass they don't you

1005
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,600
know they don't see them as individuals um

1006
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,320
but they are that's what you're providing for

1007
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
us is an opportunity to see them as

1008
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,940
individuals it was great to meet jasmine so

1009
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:07,140
great to talk to you i hope you

1010
00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,500
come back as this trial progresses apparently it's

1011
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:10,580
going to go through the end of the

1012
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:15,240
month uh final thoughts from our attorney jazz

1013
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:18,600
justine block and then we'll go over to

1014
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,600
tiffany i just want to address about the

1015
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,440
the terminology as far as referring to the

1016
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,380
birds as products remember the um about the

1017
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:34,040
officer referring to the chickens as products terminology

1018
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,340
is so important and we've talked about this

1019
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:40,400
on other live panels is that um not

1020
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,420
only was officer referring to them as products

1021
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:48,640
another witness talked about the facilities as processing

1022
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,980
facilities instead of a slaughterhouse she didn't even

1023
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:53,940
want to say the word slaughterhouse the defense

1024
00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:56,020
had to really press her to even say

1025
00:44:56,020 --> 00:45:00,080
the word slaughterhouse so or that the chickens

1026
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,300
are slaughtered that it's instead of processing facility

1027
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,960
so these terms are really important and now

1028
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,480
that um the defense is going to present

1029
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,360
their case the jury's going to hear the

1030
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,720
other side of um the side that we're

1031
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,440
seeing we were seeing with meeting jasmine today

1032
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,200
that the individual lives that they're not that

1033
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,760
chickens aren't just products they are lives and

1034
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,800
that the the law is behind i do

1035
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,780
want to make a second point is that

1036
00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:33,620
if the law is considering chickens and other

1037
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:37,820
farm animals as property and that's what the

1038
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:40,220
law is reflecting that's what we're up against

1039
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,340
and you see it all coming to a

1040
00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:44,500
head in this trial are the jurors gonna

1041
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:50,140
see the chickens as food or as individuals

1042
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:55,280
that that shouldn't suffer and be harmed in

1043
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,420
this industry and that and that they'll see

1044
00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:00,480
the whole other side of the chickens as

1045
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,020
individuals so look forward to seeing how this

1046
00:46:04,020 --> 00:46:07,740
plays out all right thank you excellent points

1047
00:46:07,740 --> 00:46:10,260
uh we're also very appreciative to have an

1048
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:12,060
attorney by the way i found out that

1049
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:15,300
um the owner of the sanctuary the chicken

1050
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:17,920
sanctuary is also an attorney so you're not

1051
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,640
going to get away from us that quickly

1052
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:23,540
tracy we need our attorneys all right tiffany

1053
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:26,680
tiffany your final thoughts for today and i

1054
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,960
just want to thank tracy and jasmine i've

1055
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,340
i have never really until the last couple

1056
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:33,240
of years when i've gone to sanctuaries i've

1057
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:35,740
never been around chickens i didn't know how

1058
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:37,640
sweet they are and that you can actually

1059
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,180
hold them and that they actually know people

1060
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:43,400
by sight or sound i had i had

1061
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,160
no idea just sitting here watching her with

1062
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,060
jasmine she's such a good chicken mama it

1063
00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:50,940
just reminded me of when i try and

1064
00:46:50,940 --> 00:46:52,740
hold my dog and he wants to get

1065
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:56,240
down or you just forget and then you

1066
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:00,120
keep hearing these words products and and it's

1067
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,720
just i want to thank her for being

1068
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,360
on with jasmine and i'm excited to see

1069
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,680
the defense's case and see what they can

1070
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get through to the jury i think it's

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going to be a very exciting week i

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agree i think ultimately we have to get

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back to the consumers none of this would

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be happening if consumers weren't lining up to

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eat chicken and um you know i realize

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that compassion is curiosity having the curiosity the

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courage to be curious about how that food

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that you like ends up on your plate

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and i drive like everybody else down my

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local miracle mile and people are lined up

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around the chicken especially and we all know

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that there are now ad campaigns that are

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so cynical featuring a cartoon cow saying eat

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more chicken um this is well i think

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it's sad honestly i think whoever came up

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with that campaign probably thinks they're very clever

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but i would say i feel sorry for

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them um and here's somebody saying prayers for

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zoe rosenberg um somebody said tracy is my

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friend thank you for doing this it's debbie's

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birthday by the way happy birthday debbie happy

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birthday debbie and guys keep coming back guys

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and gals uh we are mimicking what they

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do on core tv what they do on

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all the major networks covering trials as i

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used to do on major networks including core

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tv and cnn headline news hln but we

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don't have the reach we rely on the

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people watching to share share share share hit

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that share button and go down there and

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share to as many groups as possible because

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there's a woman who is actually facing half

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a decade behind bars and because she suffers

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from lifelong illnesses it could potentially she says

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be fatal she's willing to do that i

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think we at at the very least can

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be willing to hit that share button over

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and over and over again we're going to

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see you next time we still don't know

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whether this crazy case where the days change

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i've covered many criminal charges i've trials i've

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never seen one work when we're going to

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start tomorrow is always up in the air

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but we know we're going to be back

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thursday possibly tomorrow but we're told thursday for

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sure so please just watch on unshamed tv

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as well as uh on facebook for when

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it's coming up next unshamed tv is a

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501c3 non-profit news network for the sustainable

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plant-based lifestyle you can get it on

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your phone you can watch it online unshamed

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.tv it's absolutely free mostly volunteer run including

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myself a volunteer and we need your support

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so download unshamed tv it's right there on

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your phone it's on your tv it's on

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my tv behind me and there are two

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thousand more than two thousand videos about all

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aspects of this movement and lifestyle see you

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next time