Why They're Prosecuting a Woman for Rescuing 4 Chickens

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Welcome to Unchained TV's coverage of the Zoe

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Rosenberg chicken rescue trial.

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It is week two, day five, and we've

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got plenty of breaking news for you.

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For example, over the weekend there were marches

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in the area where the trial is occurring.

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Cows deserve to be free, just like us.

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Pigs deserve to be free, just like us.

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Chickens deserve to be free, just like us.

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One smile, one fight.

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Happy Freedom Animal Rights!

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Zoe Rosenberg is facing one felony conspiracy and

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three misdemeanors and could face up to five

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years in prison for rescuing four chickens from

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a slaughter truck.

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What you are watching now is the actual

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incident for which she is charged in progress.

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This happened way back in 2023.

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At first she was facing 20 years behind

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bars.

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They keep dropping the charges to now one

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felony and three misdemeanors.

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We have a team that is on hand

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to cover this case and I have to

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tell you there's been some pretty interesting developments.

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First of all, it's week two and there

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is no jury seated.

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The judge, Kenneth Noss, has told the jury

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panel, the potential jurors, this trial could extend

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through the end of October.

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More than 80 jurors per day were questioned

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on Thursday and Friday with a huge percentage

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claiming hardship, underscoring just how difficult seating a

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jury is going to be.

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So there were a series of pivotal pre

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-trial evidentiary rulings last week that could shape

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the outcome and most significantly, and I want

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to go to Justine Block on this, an

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attorney, the judge ruled the defense cannot introduce

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any of direct action everywhere's animal cruelty investigations

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prior to May and June of 2023, except

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for when Zoe Rosenberg testifies about Rose, the

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one chicken that authorities at one point did

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allow rescuers to take.

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What do you think, and I'm going to

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introduce our incredible expert panel now, but going

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to Justine Block, what do you think about

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the fact that DXC's defense team, Zoe Rosenberg's

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defense team will not be able to testify

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about the seven years that they tried to

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report what they describe as criminal animal cruelty

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at the facility from which and the suppliers

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to the facility of the chickens that she

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took from that from that location?

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Thanks, Jane.

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I think that it is for us.

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It's frustrating.

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My understanding is only that video that you

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showed is going to be allowed in as

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evidence.

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Are you able to hear me?

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Okay, great.

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So, um, my understanding also on the good

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side, as far as good news, though, is

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that Zoe would be able to testify as

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to her firsthand accounts in 2023 of the

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investigations and what she saw that night in

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the video going in as to counter the

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intent of the crimes she's charged with.

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So my understanding of the judge's ruling is

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that I'm not on the good side for

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the defense is that there is some evidence

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witnesses and for Zoe to be able to

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testify.

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She could also testify as to the the

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situation in in rescuing Rose when she took

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Rose, the chicken Rose.

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So we can talk more about that as

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well.

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Absolutely.

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And we've got Johnny Mora at the courthouse.

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Johnny, take it away.

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You're there at the courthouse with Cassie, who

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is DXC's lead investigator, lead communications lead, I

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should say.

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Take it away.

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Correct.

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Yes, Johnny more over here at the Superior

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Court of California Santa Rosa.

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I have here Cassie King, who is the

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organized one of the organizers for direct action

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everywhere.

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She's gonna let us know a little bit

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about what happened today in court on day

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five.

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Cassie King.

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Thanks, Johnny.

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Hi, everybody.

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Yeah, we just literally got out.

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It's the lunch break now.

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We've only had about 55 minutes of court

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this morning, but I can break down what

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happened in there because it is starting to

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get interesting.

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We had Carla Cabral, who is a former

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veterinary technician working in emergency rooms and hospitals

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and who has a lot of experience caring

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for chickens at sanctuaries like One Living Sanctuary

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and Jolene's retreat.

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She took the stand and basically the 402

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hearing that was happening for Carla outside of

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the presence of the jury.

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It's kind of a pre screening of her

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testimony, what it will be, but limited to

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her credentials and her experience as a vet

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tech and an animal caretaker to specifically determine

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whether she will be able to testify as

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an expert witness.

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So she's already been admitted, fortunately, as a

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fact witness because she was the primary caretaker

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of the four rescued birds, Poppy, Ivy, Aster

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and Azalea after Zoe rescued them.

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But we're hoping that she'll be admitted as

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an expert witness so that her physical observations

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of the animals can have that backing behind

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them.

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That, you know, it wasn't just me, someone

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without veterinary training, but someone with that training

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making these assessments of the animals and in

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consultation with a veterinarian and that has.

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Oh, well, let me just ask you overview

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wise.

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This is a case about four chickens to

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a large degree, which direct action everywhere says

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in the best of cases, even if they

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were healthy, they would be worth approximately $24.

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Right?

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How long has the judge said this trial

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is going to go on?

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How many jurors are there?

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How many have claimed hardship?

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Do you get any sense of like jurors

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going?

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Uh, what?

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Are you gonna keep me here for weeks

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over four chickens?

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Any thoughts on that?

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Yes, because I was in there last week

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for the first day of the start of

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jury selection, and there were audible gasps and

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pause in the courtroom when the judge said

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the expected length, which is six weeks.

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Of course, it could be less.

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It could also be more.

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Wayne's trial was a whopping eight weeks.

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So, you know, we didn't think that that

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would happen in this case because that involved

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two open rescues and a lot of different

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moving parts.

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And this is a much more slimmed down,

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uh, story, I guess, incident.

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But it is looking like because this is

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such a weighty issue and because there are

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such strong feelings in the community and I

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think just in the world about the treatment

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of animals, this is looking like it'll be

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six weeks.

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So there are a lot of jurors who

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are claiming hardship, understandably taking six weeks off

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of work or six weeks away from child

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care or anything that you're occupied with.

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That's a huge burden.

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That's a hardship.

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So I mean, that's kind of unfortunate because

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I don't know if that leaves us with

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a more homogenous group of people in the

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jury rather than a diverse jury.

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If it's a specific group of people who

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are able to take that kind of time

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away, but we don't even have a jury

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yet.

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So it's hard to say at this point

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with that.

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So let me ask you about this.

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Uh, this is something that Zoe talked about

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over the weekend on her instagram real, uh,

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stand with Sonoma County poultry workers, a glossy

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brochure that was widely distributed to, uh, people

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who live in Sonoma County.

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Obviously that impacts the jury pool.

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You know, by the same token, there have

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been a lot of marches by those in

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support of Zoe Rosenberg.

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So I guess it goes both ways.

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But what are your thoughts on this?

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And is this going to be mentioned by

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the defense team?

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Uh, in court?

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Well, right now there's no gag order on

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Zoe.

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Thank goodness.

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The prosecution tried to gag her, bar her

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from speaking about this case publicly.

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And the judge in the case denied that.

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And he made some excellent points about how

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that would not be equal to gag Zoe.

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While Petaluma poultry is free to tell, you

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know, he didn't say all the lies they're

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telling, but that's what's happening, right?

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They're telling their version of of the facts,

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which is false.

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And that wouldn't be right to gag us

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from speaking the truth.

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So people are at this point allowed to

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chime in.

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And this is an active discussion in the

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county.

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There's the press Democrat.

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The big paper here has already had this

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case on the front page.

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There's six billboards that Petaluma poultry just got,

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and that actually is Petaluma poultry.

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The flyer you showed it wasn't sent directly

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by Petaluma poultry.

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They may have had a hand in it,

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a say in it, but that was sent

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by basically a pack that's opposing animal rights

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activism and telling people that, you know, we

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need to stand up against these extremists.

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And that is, by the way, littered with

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photos that are not from the Sonoma, not

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from Sonoma County, not even from the United

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States.

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They're from three different countries.

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We did reverse image searching on those stock

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photos and found them on stock photo sites

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from Germany and South Africa.

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You know, completely random.

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They probably looked up happy chickens outside because

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they knew they couldn't find photos of that

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at Petaluma poultry.

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So that's that's what people are being led

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to believe through their mailbox is what Petaluma

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poultry factory farms look like.

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And so fortunately there is a billboard up

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now countering that with photos of crowded animals

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at Petaluma poultry and a chicken stuck on

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their back at Petaluma poultry that says when

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they tell you it's free range and organic

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because these billboards Petaluma poultry has up are

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all bragging about being an organic brand and

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showing you these rolling hills.

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And we need to we need to show

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people the truth.

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Well, I just want to thank you for

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taking the time.

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I hope that you will come back again

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and update us as um it's there's no

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cameras in the courtroom.

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Uh we can't even get still photos from

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inside the courtroom.

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So we kind of rely on the folks

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who are inside court to bring us the

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very latest.

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So uh if there's any questions, I know

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Justine, we have an attorney here today.

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Do you have any questions for Cassie before

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she goes?

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I do.

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Thank you for asking Cassie.

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Do you know as far as the jury

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questionnaire whether measure J was allowed to be

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mentioned in the questionnaire?

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Yes, it's one of the I believe 11

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questions on there and I think it's something

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along the lines of did you have strong

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feelings about measure J.

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So it's not, you know, did you vote

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a certain way?

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But did you have strong feelings?

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And it's a short answer.

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So I think people can put whatever they're

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comfortable sharing without being put on the spot

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about how they voted.

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All right, excellent.

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Thank you so much, Cassie.

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We really appreciate you taking the time and

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thank you johnny Mora out there doing a

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great job at the courthouse.

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So let's do a little round robin.

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What are some of the thoughts that that

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you have page?

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But before I get there, it's very important

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that I mention that, uh, the, uh, the

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company mentioned by those folks and I'm going

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to mute johnny because it's kind of busy

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out there at court.

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Um, the company mentioned that is at the

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heart of this case, the company that that

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Zoe took the four rescued the four chickens

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from is Petaluma Poultry owned by Purdue Farms,

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one of the largest chicken producers in the

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world.

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They deny all the allegations of animal cruelty.

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They have a very in depth website talking

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about their treatment of animals.

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Corporate dot Purdue Farms dot com forward slash

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responsibility forward slash animals dash care.

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And they have said that they are a

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leader in animal welfare, dedicated to the highest

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standards of animal care, give their bird space

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to roam and that the false claims in

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their mind are being pushed by extreme group

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D.

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X.

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C.

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With the ultimate goal of ending animal agriculture

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and imposing a radical agenda.

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We invite them on any time for further

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comment page.

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Um, what were you going to say as

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a result of what you were hearing from

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the court this morning?

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Well, when I heard about these brochures being

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sent out, um, to potentially, uh, the juror

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jury in the future, right?

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So they're, they're receiving these in the mailbox.

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Here's what came to mind.

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And then now a billboard being placed.

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First of all, this is a lot of

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money.

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This is a lot of money being put

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in about this messaging.

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And here's the thing is the profits are

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at stake for the producers.

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You see the, the, the, the life of

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Zoe Rosenberg is at stake because she's dealing

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with health challenges as well as own livelihood

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of being a 23 year old who has

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just recently graduated from college.

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So to me, this is an expensive endeavor,

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six weeks of jury costing people their time,

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their energy, and now billboards are being put

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up and brochures are being sent out with

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alleged misinformation.

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This is taxpayers dollars that are being spent

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right and left.

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And it's okay.

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But let me, let me clarify here.

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The trial is taxpayer dollars, not the brochure.

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Of course.

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But what I'm saying, that's why left and

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right, because the money being spent for the

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jury and the, all the proceedings that happen

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inside that courtroom are taxpayer dollars.

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So this is, you said earlier, these chickens

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are worth their lives are worth their, their

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animal lives matter and are worth more than

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$24, but to the regular consumer, they would

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purchase them at X amount of dollars to

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come to 24, $8 piece, let's say on

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the high end.

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And the thing is, what do you think

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about it?

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These are, they're duping the public for the

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profit for them, the profitability for the producer.

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And we invite those producers on anytime we

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would love.

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Actually, we would love to dialogue with them.

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Let's play what Zoe Rosenberg said over the

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weekend about this brochure and then talk about

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it on the other side.

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Just days before my trial was set to

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begin an animal agriculture interest group sent these

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mailers to just about every household in Sonoma

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County.

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It urges my potential jury to support local

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family farms that are quote being unfairly targeted

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by extreme animal activists.

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These photos are stock photos.

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This is how multi-billion dollar factory farm

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company twist reality to protect their profits.

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The truth is our investigation show tens of

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thousands of birds crowded together in filthy sheds.

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Sick birds are left to die often slowly

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and painfully at the slaughterhouse.

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Evidence shows that birds are routinely scolded alive

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in hot water due to negligence and fast

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moving slaughter lines.

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I faced nearly half a decade in jail

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for rescuing four chickens.

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And the jury is not going to see

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any of the footage that you just saw

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there.

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That's another ruling.

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So let's do a little round robin.

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What are your thoughts considering all these developments?

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I'm going to go to Ellen Dent.

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You're going to have to unmute yourself, my

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dear.

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Sure, Jane.

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Thank you.

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I mean, it's just really upsetting that they're

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tampering with the public that way ahead of

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this trial.

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I mean, Direct Action Everywhere should be flattered

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that this business feels so intimidated by their

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actions that they are going to these measures

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of sending out this, you know, mailer and

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this like super pack of, you know, animal

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agriculture companies.

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So I don't know.

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It's just it's just really upsetting to see

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that.

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And I'm glad that Direct Action Everywhere has

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up their billboards showing the truth from their

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investigations, showing the footage that they have so

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that the public can actually see what's happening

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and not see these stock photos of of

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what the public thinks, you know, chickens are

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experiencing as they grow on these farms.

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Are we all complicit in the stories we

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tell ourselves?

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This is very interesting.

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I was worked all day yesterday, but then

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I unwinded by watching a documentary about Victorian

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England and the Industrial Revolution, where all these

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people came from the countryside to work in

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these factories.

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And while some people were getting very rich,

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the conditions in the factories were horrific.

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It reminded me of factory farming, children drenched

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in just filth.

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And then if if they were protected, they

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were put in these workhouses, which were a

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form of punishment in themselves, where they were

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fed gruel that was pretty much inedible.

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And what was so interesting is that the

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painters of the day were painting these, but

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they were always told when they sold them

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to beautify them.

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So when people bought the paintings of what

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was happening, suddenly the women in the workhouse

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had smiles and they had flowers.

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And they basically, the conclusion of the documentary

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was that the powers that be, people who

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weren't suffering themselves, did not want to know

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what was happening in the streets to all

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these children.

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In Manchester in particular, which was the hub

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of the Industrial Revolution, they didn't want to

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know.

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Everybody was in collusion with keeping this quiet

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because they were all benefiting.

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There was a growing middle class and then

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obviously the aristocracy were benefiting and becoming fabulously

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wealthy due to the textile mills, etc.

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And as I was listening to this, I

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was like, this has such commonality with what's

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happening today.

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So consumers do, I'm going to posit this,

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do consumers really want to know?

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Or would they prefer to have fairy tales

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about how you can kill 140,000 chickens

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a minute in this world?

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That's how many are killed globally, 140,000

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chickens every minute.

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Tiffany Brunelli, I want to put it to

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you.

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You're a former law enforcement investigator turned DXC

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member.

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Yes, I bought the fairy tale a few

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years ago.

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I would buy, you know, I'd pay the

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extra $3 for the cute little chicken on

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the cart and out in the field.

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It reminds me of these photos.

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And I thought, oh, I'm doing the right

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thing.

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So yeah, I was buying into it.

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So I can see how, why they want

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to continue this campaign.

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This trial must be, they must be very

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concerned to put this kind of money and

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PR into those flyers.

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They really are protecting the truth to continue

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to benefit off of it.

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So they must, I think it's a good

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thing.

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They must feel threatened by the trial and

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the publicity and the press that this trial

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is receiving.

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It does feel with that brochure, you're absolutely

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right.

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It actually sort of offers confirmation that Lindsay

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Baker, the powers that be, and let's face

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it, while this is about a particular company,

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because that's a particular company is where she

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went in to rescue these chickens.

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It's truly all of animal agriculture on trial.

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When they're marching, they're not just talking about

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chickens, they're talking about pigs, they're talking about

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cows.

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Is there any nice way to kill more

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than 80 billion animals every year?

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Okay, I'll put it out to Lindsay Baker.

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I would say, of course not.

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And the one thought I had was when

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you said this footage would not be shown

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to the jury, or sorry, the video that

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Zoe made, when, where she shows the stock

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footage and the real, what it really looks

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like would not be shown to the jury.

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My thought was, that's tragic, but it's going

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to be out all over social media.

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And just addressing your point, it isn't, you

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know, there's no way, nice way to kill

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any animal.

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And getting that out to the public is

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really paramount.

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And it is getting out, this is just

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going to explode.

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And I think the thing that's going to

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make it explode is people are not buying

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into the BS anymore.

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They're seeing it right in front of their

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eyes.

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And they're believing it.

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And I believe it's going to make a

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change happen.

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But no, it's tragic.

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And the fact that when you watch that

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footage of how these animals are put through

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this process so fast, just for profit, and

537
00:22:05,780 --> 00:22:08,560
how inhumane it is, think back to what

538
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,540
you were saying about those children, we're one

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00:22:10,540 --> 00:22:12,660
step away from that, on the other end

540
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of it.

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I like to look at the positive and

542
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say what I just said.

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But I also see the other side of

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it.

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This is the footage that Direct Action Everywhere

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has offered, which will not apparently be included

547
00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:30,840
in the trial of what they say they

548
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,700
videotaped at a Purdue's facility.

549
00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:37,700
And this is what they're talking about animals

550
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:42,820
being too sick to reach the water, when

551
00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:46,440
they fall on the ground, they can't get

552
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:46,800
up.

553
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,940
This is the video that Direct Action Everywhere

554
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:56,600
took with their undercover investigations into these facilities,

555
00:22:57,180 --> 00:23:00,280
that they tried to report to law enforcement.

556
00:23:01,060 --> 00:23:05,280
And they say law enforcement repeatedly ignored them

557
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,480
over and over again.

558
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,420
The jury will not see this footage.

559
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,700
That's what the court has ruled.

560
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,140
They've narrowed it to the, I believe the

561
00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:18,080
only chickens that the jury is going to

562
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,620
see are the chickens that Zoe Rosenberg took.

563
00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:25,720
And apparently they do have surveillance footage, like

564
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,160
in other words, the camera, what we had

565
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,560
showed you prior is Direct Action Everywhere videotaping

566
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,360
themselves, taking the chickens, but apparently there's also

567
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,300
a security camera of Zoe and others entering.

568
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,520
But these slaughter lines with the chickens flapping,

569
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,440
the jury is not going to see that.

570
00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:49,780
And they're not going to see any of

571
00:23:49,780 --> 00:23:50,300
this footage.

572
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:54,360
So my question is, you know, how can

573
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,080
they make an informed decision?

574
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760
And once again, I'm going to emphasize that

575
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:04,500
we invite, we definitely invite Purdue Farms Petaluma

576
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,140
Poultry on any day, we would love to

577
00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:08,100
dialogue with you.

578
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,080
And we also urge people to check out

579
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,360
your side of the story at the website

580
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:20,480
that you have created, which is corporate.purduefarms

581
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,460
.com forward slash responsibility forward slash animal care.

582
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,900
Who wants to take that like, the way

583
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:31,460
I see this developing is that, and I

584
00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:33,560
think I'll throw this to Justine, because you're

585
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,020
an attorney, it seems more and more, it's

586
00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:39,880
going to come down to what Zoe can

587
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,200
get on the stand.

588
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:43,500
And we still don't know if she's going

589
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,220
to take the stand.

590
00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:47,200
It seems like pretty obvious that she would,

591
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,480
but you never know.

592
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,820
And they don't make that decision.

593
00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:51,880
They don't announce that decision generally.

594
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:54,660
But it seems like it's all falling on

595
00:24:54,660 --> 00:24:58,940
her shoulders, Justine, that videos are not going

596
00:24:58,940 --> 00:24:59,460
to be shown.

597
00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:06,020
Right, Jane, I, I did want to address

598
00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:09,340
where we're at now in the process is

599
00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:10,580
the jury selection.

600
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:14,420
And the propaganda, I'll call it propaganda, the

601
00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:19,840
brochures that you put out there earlier, completely

602
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,260
go against the reality that you're showing us

603
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:26,980
here, that the prosecution has worked so hard

604
00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:29,900
to not let in, they're not letting in

605
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:33,360
evidence of the reality that goes against this,

606
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,320
the humane washing and, and these brochures, it's

607
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,180
not the first time the public has seen

608
00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:43,640
the PR reflected in these brochures.

609
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:46,260
I want to go back to measure J.

610
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,460
It's the same argument that the Sonoma County

611
00:25:49,460 --> 00:25:55,140
area is a rural, generally farm areas, and

612
00:25:55,140 --> 00:25:58,400
they have seen the arguments and all the

613
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:05,900
information characterizing the the animal advocates as radicals

614
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,340
and trying to take away the livelihood of

615
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:10,100
the local farms.

616
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:13,220
And one of the arguments is that from

617
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:15,620
measure J was that for people that voted

618
00:26:15,620 --> 00:26:19,620
for it, it would increase the cost of

619
00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:24,060
the food in, it would have to be

620
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:25,180
imported and all of that.

621
00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:25,620
So I just want to say- Yeah,

622
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,600
and just to clarify, for people who don't

623
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,880
know what measure J is, it was a

624
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,080
measure that was put before the voters in

625
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,020
Sonoma County that basically would phase out factory

626
00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:36,920
farms, such as the one at the heart

627
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,580
of this case, and it failed.

628
00:26:39,140 --> 00:26:40,360
Continue on, Justine.

629
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,580
Right, I did.

630
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:42,400
Exactly.

631
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,040
So the measure J would have phased out

632
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,160
factory farming over three years, it would have

633
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,500
basically prohibited the, the concentrated feedlots.

634
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:55,940
So people have heard about this issue for

635
00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:57,260
a while there in Sonoma County.

636
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,660
So what that means is, how does this

637
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,980
affect the jury pool?

638
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,200
So it's not, it's not just the hardship

639
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,580
of potentially a very long trial, six weeks

640
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:09,820
or longer, Wayne's was eight, that's a long

641
00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:10,180
commitment.

642
00:27:10,340 --> 00:27:12,000
But also for the defense, they want to

643
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320
make sure these people are fair and impartial.

644
00:27:14,740 --> 00:27:16,480
And so it's good that for the defense,

645
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,920
that the measure J aspect is on the

646
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,040
question so that when, during the voir dire

647
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,840
process, that the defense attorneys can ask how

648
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,540
heavily is this weighing on people?

649
00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:28,200
And so get a sense of how much

650
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,060
are they affected by all this propaganda that's

651
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:31,280
put out there by the industry.

652
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:32,860
So those are my thoughts.

653
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,080
Yeah, it's very interesting because it does kind

654
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,120
of dovetail, there was this measure that said,

655
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:42,200
hey, let's phase out these concentrated animal feeding

656
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,500
operations, these factory farms, but it failed.

657
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:47,620
So a lot of these jurors may have

658
00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:49,820
voted one way or the other on that.

659
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,080
And just in terms of probability, they probably

660
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,200
voted against it, which means that they kind

661
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400
of cast their vote for factory farms, because,

662
00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:00,180
well, I can't read their minds, but it

663
00:28:00,180 --> 00:28:02,040
is a heavily agricultural area.

664
00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:06,560
So there's an old saying, it's very hard

665
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,600
to convince people of a truth that their

666
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,860
income depends upon not accepting.

667
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,780
Paige, you wanted to say something.

668
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,920
I just want to say that absolutely, this

669
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,660
is all, who's being twisted, who's twisting the

670
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:23,160
truth here?

671
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,560
That's what's the question for me is, when

672
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,780
I learned that my food was coming from

673
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:33,880
98% of it, or allegedly from factory

674
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,500
farms that were not these humanely raised, and

675
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:39,820
I was spending extra money to pay for,

676
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,840
and the truth was being twisted that I'm

677
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,580
now learning about, I was enraged, honestly, enraged.

678
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,100
So that's what I want to say there,

679
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
but go ahead, back to you.

680
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,100
Yeah, no, I just was, somebody was asking

681
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:57,460
what the charges were, so I put up

682
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:59,760
that graphic, but everybody jump in when you

683
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,040
have a thought, raise your hand.

684
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,100
This is a freewheeling conversation.

685
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,340
Go ahead, Tiffany Brunelli.

686
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,220
Yes, actually, Johnny and I went door knocking

687
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:13,280
for Measure J, the campaign, and we had

688
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600
some flyers there, we would show the conditions

689
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,580
of the farms up there, and they're up

690
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:24,680
there, they love their rosy and rocky brands

691
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,700
and their clover, and many of the doors

692
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:29,520
we knocked on, several would say, that is

693
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,620
not, those pictures are not our family-owned

694
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:33,020
farms.

695
00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:35,860
We have family-owned farms up here, so

696
00:29:35,860 --> 00:29:37,920
maybe they're, because they're going back to the

697
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,200
days when a single family would own the

698
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,100
farm, they don't realize that they've been sold

699
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:44,240
to corporations and what's been going on.

700
00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:46,440
So I feel like the trial in this

701
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,240
press may get that out up there more

702
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,040
also, because a lot of the residents up

703
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,000
there are very loyal to their so-called

704
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,120
family brands and how many jobs would be

705
00:29:59,120 --> 00:29:59,740
lost.

706
00:30:00,060 --> 00:30:02,060
So it was interesting to see when you

707
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:03,880
get out there and actually knock on the

708
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:04,320
doors.

709
00:30:04,460 --> 00:30:05,000
Remember, Johnny?

710
00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:08,420
Yeah, feel free to weigh in on that,

711
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:08,800
Johnny.

712
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:17,920
Yes, I remember very clearly last year with

713
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Tiffany, several organizers, activists, as well as volunteers

714
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,300
for direct action everywhere, we went out into

715
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:31,560
suburbia and knocked on many doors.

716
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:34,120
It was quite impressive to be able to

717
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520
pull into any of these suburban areas and

718
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,420
park our car and just see an ocean

719
00:30:39,420 --> 00:30:42,400
of houses that would say, you know, it

720
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,440
was pretty split in the middle, yes on

721
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,120
J, no on J, yes on J, no

722
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:46,580
on J.

723
00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:48,640
And as we would walk up, I remember

724
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,860
vividly with Tiffany, I mean, it was a

725
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:54,860
little intimidating because we were knocking on doors

726
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:59,720
of homes where residents knew more about J

727
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,700
than we did.

728
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,940
I mean, because there were residents in that

729
00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:03,360
community.

730
00:31:03,540 --> 00:31:05,360
And so as we would knock on or

731
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,880
as we would approach these doors, a lot

732
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,500
of these people were already opening the door,

733
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840
kind of nodding their head up and down,

734
00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:13,720
like, yeah, we know why you're here.

735
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640
And of course, those that felt that we

736
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960
were trying to take away jobs from the

737
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,220
average farmer that in turn was affecting their

738
00:31:21,220 --> 00:31:23,340
family and or that we were trying to

739
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:28,060
destroy their community by trying to pass a

740
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,560
measure that would essentially phase out CAFOs and

741
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,700
factory farms.

742
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:34,740
Of course, we weren't very welcome in their

743
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:37,300
homes, and there were some heated debates, but

744
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,460
there were also, of course, residents that have

745
00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:43,700
no attachment to factory farming and, you know,

746
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:45,780
don't like the smell and don't like the

747
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:49,460
idea of birds, you know, tortured and scalded

748
00:31:49,460 --> 00:31:52,780
in boiling tanks before they were their throat

749
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:53,180
slashed.

750
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,880
And so, you know, the conversations went swang

751
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,920
both ways.

752
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,180
You know, clearly we did not have enough

753
00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:02,880
time to be able to have all the

754
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,980
conversations we could have.

755
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:06,240
And yes, it was quite impressive.

756
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Johnny, is anybody else there?

757
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680
Yes, I believe that Paul, I'm not sure

758
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,060
exactly how deep he is into his notes,

759
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,080
but I could definitely reach over here.

760
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:19,880
Yeah, why don't you check with him and

761
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
come back, and if he can speak, we

762
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,740
can get some thoughts from him.

763
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:26,440
All right, and I'm going to mute you

764
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,040
in the meantime.

765
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,140
You know, it's very interesting because if you

766
00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:33,540
look at history, and I'm going to play

767
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:36,900
previous coverage here on Unchained TV behind me,

768
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:40,900
and anybody who has to leave, go ahead,

769
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,180
Ellen.

770
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:42,580
We love your commentary.

771
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,780
We'll see you next time.

772
00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:45,840
We're going to be doing this every day

773
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,180
through the length of the trial, so you're

774
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:49,300
going to see more of these folks, and

775
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:51,320
we urge everybody to share out, share out,

776
00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:51,940
share out.

777
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,580
But if you look at history, anytime there

778
00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:59,640
is an attempt to advance and change the

779
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,200
status quo and give rights to a group

780
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,720
that didn't have rights, let's say women, okay?

781
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400
One of the biggest arguments is always it's

782
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,600
going to be jobs.

783
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,700
Jobs are going to be lost, okay?

784
00:33:13,780 --> 00:33:15,040
Well, jobs are also going to be won

785
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,100
for women, for example.

786
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:19,000
Let's go to Paul Picklesimer, who's one of

787
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,720
the lead organizers at Direct Action Everywhere.

788
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,820
Hey, Paul, what are your thoughts on the

789
00:33:23,820 --> 00:33:24,940
trial at this point?

790
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,180
Yeah, the trial has been interesting.

791
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,300
I'm overall just encouraged by the judge because

792
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:35,120
he seems to be a lot more fair

793
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,800
than other judges we've had in the past,

794
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,780
whether that's my case that we actually got

795
00:33:38,780 --> 00:33:40,840
an acquittal in or Wayne's case up here

796
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,340
where the judge was terrible and we lost.

797
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:46,800
But this judge definitely seems more fair than

798
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,960
any other judge we've had, in my opinion.

799
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,840
And yeah, today's interesting.

800
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,980
We heard from Carla Cabral today, a little

801
00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:56,740
bit about her expertise, and yeah, it's been

802
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:57,100
interesting.

803
00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:01,040
So Carla is going to be, from my

804
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,800
understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm

805
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,460
not in the courtroom, but I'm looking at

806
00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:08,000
notes, for example, Purdue Rescue Trial has a

807
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,199
bunch of notes that they, it's going to

808
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,940
be Raven Darebrook, who my understanding is an

809
00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:17,679
alleged co-conspirator of Zoe's, then Carla Cabral,

810
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:20,580
who is a vet tech amongst being a

811
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:24,580
animal rescuer, then Dr. Sherston Rosenberg, who was

812
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:27,380
also Zoe's mother, but a veterinarian, and then

813
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:30,900
Dr. Daniela Castillo, who was also a veterinarian.

814
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:32,719
Can you give us a sense of what

815
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,420
we might expect from that testimony?

816
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,540
Obviously, that's a lot, but just like maybe

817
00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:37,600
the elevator.

818
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:42,380
Yeah, we got started with Carla at 11

819
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:45,060
a.m. and the purpose of her 402

820
00:34:45,060 --> 00:34:47,340
hearing, which is still ongoing, we're just on

821
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:50,120
break, was to assess whether or not she

822
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,280
can be counted or just sort of advertised

823
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,940
as an expert witness for the case, because

824
00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:59,300
Carla is definitely going to testify a bit

825
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:02,620
regarding her possession of the birds themselves.

826
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,900
And today we're going to try to figure

827
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,660
out if the court will view her as

828
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:09,500
an expert witness, which would help a little

829
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:10,280
bit with the credibility.

830
00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:12,580
And yeah, so far it's went well.

831
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:17,020
Chris Carraway, Zoe's attorney, questioned her on that

832
00:35:17,020 --> 00:35:19,080
kind of stuff, asked her a bit about

833
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,280
the conditions, and then Jessilee Mills from the

834
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,760
state, she questioned Carla, and at that point

835
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,760
it was kind of interesting because the judge,

836
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,480
he basically, he just showed his fairness a

837
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,040
bit, I think.

838
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:40,280
Pretty early on, right off the bat, Jessilee

839
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,500
Mills said, okay, before we go into the

840
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:46,220
402 hearing questions, I want to establish some

841
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:48,080
stuff about your background with DXC.

842
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:52,360
And so Chris Carraway objected to that, and

843
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,900
the judge said, yeah, that's not really the

844
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:56,760
purpose of this hearing.

845
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,060
And Chris mentioned that Jessilee Mills even said

846
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:02,040
before we talk about the 402 stuff, and

847
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Chris said it wasn't relevant.

848
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,300
And the judge said, yeah, I'll let you

849
00:36:06,300 --> 00:36:08,700
ask a couple questions about that, but we're

850
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,500
going to cut you off pretty soon.

851
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,880
And so, yeah, Jessilee Mills proceeded to ask

852
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,640
her questions about DXC and her role with

853
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:15,940
them.

854
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,660
And then eventually the judge was like, or

855
00:36:18,660 --> 00:36:20,780
Chris objected again, and the judge said, yeah,

856
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:21,480
sustained.

857
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Let's get to the actual substance here.

858
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:25,680
And so that was- If I can

859
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,080
summarize that, are you essentially saying that Carla

860
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,420
Cabral's role as a vet tech is going

861
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:34,420
to be focused on in court, not her

862
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:37,860
work with direct action everywhere, where she's been

863
00:36:37,860 --> 00:36:39,140
involved in some rescues?

864
00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:41,180
Well, actually, no.

865
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,080
When she actually testifies in front of the

866
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,760
jury, I'm sure that the defense will ask

867
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,640
her a lot of questions about DXC and

868
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
even her actions with DXC, because that can

869
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,160
apparently play to her motive and her intent

870
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:55,780
as a witness.

871
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:58,160
And so we'll hear about that stuff.

872
00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:01,240
But for this 402 hearing is supposed to

873
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,640
be just about determining if she's an expert

874
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,160
or not.

875
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,420
And so, yeah, we'll eventually- Carla will

876
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:09,720
get grilled for being a member of DXC,

877
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:10,060
I'm sure.

878
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:10,740
Yes.

879
00:37:10,820 --> 00:37:13,520
Well, we're putting up some photos of her

880
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,860
rescuing a goat and being arrested.

881
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,140
So there you go.

882
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:21,760
Paul, thank you so much for bringing us

883
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,300
up to date.

884
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:23,700
Really appreciate it.

885
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,140
Absolutely.

886
00:37:24,140 --> 00:37:26,160
Hopefully you can talk to us throughout the

887
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,860
trial, because we don't have anybody really, we

888
00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:30,140
can't see inside the courtroom.

889
00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:31,280
So it's really important.

890
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:33,840
And Johnny's doing a great job there at

891
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,420
the courthouse.

892
00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:36,440
All right, well, we're going to wrap it

893
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,760
up in a second, because remember everybody, share

894
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,880
this out, share this out, share this out.

895
00:37:40,940 --> 00:37:42,060
You can be a part of history.

896
00:37:43,060 --> 00:37:46,900
Unshade TV- Can Ellen make a comment

897
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,060
about the jobs?

898
00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:51,780
Ellen, can you please comment about, just before

899
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:53,840
we go off, I'm sorry, Jane, but she

900
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,060
has an important point to bring out about

901
00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:57,840
the jobs being lost.

902
00:37:57,980 --> 00:37:59,340
And I really take this personally.

903
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:01,940
So Ellen, could you please explain about that?

904
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:02,640
Yes.

905
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:03,960
Oh, sure.

906
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,620
Well, on our internal chat, I put statistics

907
00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:10,880
saying that the World Economic Forum estimates that

908
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,400
18 million jobs would be created by transitioning

909
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,220
to a plant-based food system.

910
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,140
So we shouldn't fixate on the jobs that

911
00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:21,300
are lost, because they aren't lost.

912
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,340
They can be transitioned to other opportunities.

913
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,280
These farms, these so-called farms can actually

914
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,780
be changed into producers of different crops, like

915
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:37,680
mushrooms, or make almonds for almond milk, something

916
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,520
other than using a living, breathing being as

917
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,640
a commodity.

918
00:38:45,380 --> 00:38:47,940
I totally see your point and think it's

919
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:49,320
a very, very important point.

920
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,580
My point was that anytime society attempts to

921
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,560
move forward, and I use the example of

922
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,620
giving women rights, the right to vote, the

923
00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:01,040
response is always, it's going to rob people

924
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,620
of jobs.

925
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,100
Every single social justice movement, the powers that

926
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,200
be that want to preserve the status quo

927
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,600
will cite jobs.

928
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,020
Doesn't mean it's valid.

929
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:15,440
Just like anytime there's a technological innovation, when

930
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,120
refrigerators were brought in to replace iceboxes, they

931
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,120
said, oh, it's going to stop jobs, right?

932
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,300
So that's just the knee-jerk reaction of

933
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:32,560
entrenched establishment that wants to preserve the status

934
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,720
quo, because they're benefiting from the status quo.

935
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,380
They don't want things to move forward.

936
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:39,860
They're generally wrong.

937
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,660
I mean, we've had that when cars came

938
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:45,680
in to replace horses, there was a whole

939
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,560
hullabaloo about how this was going to put

940
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,220
carriage horse drivers out of business.

941
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,620
So everybody who is against change will have

942
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:57,360
a tendency to want to cite jobs.

943
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,900
Doesn't mean it's valid.

944
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,600
And your point is very good.

945
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,380
Go ahead, Faith.

946
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:02,460
I was just going to say, Jane, that

947
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:04,800
I'm going to pass it over to Justine

948
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,240
because some new initiative that just happened.

949
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,800
But when we were working towards the fur

950
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,840
ban in the city of Los Angeles, that

951
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,980
was definitely one of the pushbacks was jobs.

952
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,180
So back over to you, Justine.

953
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:21,420
Yes.

954
00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:24,580
And it's always that way.

955
00:40:25,420 --> 00:40:28,960
Justine Block, you are very involved with trying

956
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,260
to find justice for animals beyond chickens.

957
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,700
Tell us about the big breaking news that

958
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:38,780
your team, your campaign has achieved.

959
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Sure, Jane.

960
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:42,340
Thank you.

961
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:43,340
Thanks, Paige.

962
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:47,140
So I am working on a campaign to

963
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:47,800
ban the sale.

964
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:55,740
We're venturing into Anaheim, too, to ban the

965
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:58,740
sale of animals in pet stores and expos.

966
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,080
So we had a really important victory that

967
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:09,660
Ellen, Paige, other organizations worked on to urge

968
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:13,080
the city of West Hollywood to expand the

969
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,560
current ban on the sale of cats and

970
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,280
dogs to include other species.

971
00:41:17,780 --> 00:41:22,940
And that includes other mammals, as well as

972
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:28,560
birds, fish, spiders, hermit crabs.

973
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:32,580
So this is really, really, really important to

974
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:37,720
push forward on including other species that are

975
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,700
sold at pet stores that come from very

976
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:41,080
cruel mills.

977
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,440
And the reptiles are also included in this,

978
00:41:44,580 --> 00:41:45,740
reptiles and amphibians.

979
00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:50,520
And they are an unregulated sort.

980
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,380
They're unregulated in terms of at least the

981
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:56,440
mammals are regulated under the Federal Animal Welfare

982
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,660
Act, but reptiles and amphibians are generally not.

983
00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:03,380
So there's these mills that feed into the

984
00:42:03,380 --> 00:42:04,080
pet stores.

985
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040
So this is really huge, a huge victory

986
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,060
for the animals sold in pet stores in

987
00:42:09,060 --> 00:42:09,580
West Hollywood.

988
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,360
So that's excellent news.

989
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,460
West Hollywood has banned the sale of live

990
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:14,980
animals.

991
00:42:15,260 --> 00:42:17,660
And it relates to what we're talking about

992
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:21,900
here, Tiffany, because the big argument is animals

993
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:22,860
are not products.

994
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:25,120
Animals are not a can.

995
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,020
Animals are not a widget.

996
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:32,100
And this has come up over and over

997
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:32,820
again.

998
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:35,040
In one of the cases that are similar

999
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,400
to this, that Wayne Sheung won, he was

1000
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:37,900
acquitted.

1001
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:40,660
One of the reasons that the jurors later

1002
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:43,260
said that they voted to acquit was that

1003
00:42:43,260 --> 00:42:45,640
they were kind of, well, they were very

1004
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,180
much turned off by the closing statement of

1005
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:52,140
the prosecutor who acquitted animals to inanimate objects.

1006
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:56,680
Let's listen to that closing statement and talk

1007
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,780
about it on the other side.

1008
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:03,100
Analyze for just a moment the reasoning being

1009
00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:04,360
demonstrated here tonight.

1010
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:07,260
I think it's clear that the pigs were

1011
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:09,820
stolen, they were taken, and they were not

1012
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:10,240
returned.

1013
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,120
In fact, Mr. Sheung stated he didn't want

1014
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:13,260
to.

1015
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,420
That's that.

1016
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Imagine the use of the word rescue in

1017
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,260
some other context.

1018
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:22,920
Suppose you were in the grocery store and

1019
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,440
you saw a can with dents in it.

1020
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920
You thought to yourself, oh my goodness, that

1021
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:28,640
can has a dent.

1022
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:30,220
It has the potential of going bad.

1023
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,880
I better rescue that can, put it in

1024
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,320
my purse, take it out of the store.

1025
00:43:35,940 --> 00:43:39,240
Or imagine your DQ, you see a dripping

1026
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:40,440
ice cream cone up there.

1027
00:43:40,820 --> 00:43:41,920
The clerk just put it on the counter,

1028
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,900
oh dear, that cone is dripping off the

1029
00:43:43,900 --> 00:43:44,180
side.

1030
00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:46,440
I better take it so that it doesn't

1031
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:47,760
make a mess on the floor.

1032
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,420
By the way, there's always a chance that

1033
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:55,260
during the lunch hour, the prosecution in the

1034
00:43:55,260 --> 00:43:57,140
Zoe Rosenberg case could be watching us.

1035
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,340
If you're watching us, don't use that argument,

1036
00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:59,780
okay?

1037
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:02,120
Or maybe do use that argument.

1038
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:05,280
Do use it, please.

1039
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Yes, compare chickens to ice cream cones that

1040
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,420
are melting in dented cans.

1041
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:13,980
But you can see how the jurors said

1042
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:15,880
that really turned them off because it was

1043
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,520
sort of insulting their intelligence.

1044
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:20,800
Talking to them like children and suggesting that

1045
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,500
a living being that has eyes, that had

1046
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:25,940
a mother, had a father, that's lived, well,

1047
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:28,840
let's face it, these chickens are not living

1048
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,100
the lives that they would in nature, that

1049
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,680
somehow that's equivalent to a can or a

1050
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,280
melting ice cream.

1051
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:40,360
Who wants to weigh in on that mentality?

1052
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:45,100
Because ultimately, Lindsay Baker, that's what this case

1053
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:45,840
is about.

1054
00:44:46,220 --> 00:44:50,340
The mentality that humans have toward non-human

1055
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:51,440
animals.

1056
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Exactly.

1057
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:56,120
And that attorney right there showed it in

1058
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,980
the way his mental thinking.

1059
00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:01,740
He was talking about food, a dented can.

1060
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:03,440
Maybe I could take the dented can home,

1061
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,640
eat the contest, the ice cream cone, eat

1062
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:05,780
it.

1063
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:07,880
What do you do with, it was a

1064
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,660
pig, I think, that was stolen.

1065
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,960
What do you do with a pig?

1066
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,420
You eat it, of course.

1067
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:16,280
So how stupid that anyone would think of

1068
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200
doing anything else but eating a pig.

1069
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,640
It's like built into his mentality.

1070
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,180
So you're expressing what his mentality was?

1071
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:24,920
Yes.

1072
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:26,660
What was your question?

1073
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,500
Well, no, I was asking you, the reason

1074
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:34,840
why this is a fascinating case for many

1075
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,840
reasons, but one is that it is a

1076
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,120
window into our culture and our cultural divide

1077
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,500
and where we are as a human species,

1078
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,000
how we treat other species.

1079
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,380
And anytime you look back in history, you're

1080
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:53,980
aghast.

1081
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,160
How could they have done that?

1082
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:57,820
I was looking at Victorian England, where they

1083
00:45:57,820 --> 00:46:01,060
were putting all these children, eight, 10 children,

1084
00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:01,960
and they were all living.

1085
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,820
They said they had one bathroom for 380

1086
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:09,740
people, one hole, one hole, and that they

1087
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:11,660
would put bricks on it so that people

1088
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:13,100
could walk through the feces.

1089
00:46:13,540 --> 00:46:15,000
I mean, this is how they were letting

1090
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,300
people live in Victorian England, and they didn't

1091
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,660
want any coverage of it.

1092
00:46:21,220 --> 00:46:23,440
And then when the paintings were made, it

1093
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,140
was all the happy people sipping tea and

1094
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:29,100
holding flowers.

1095
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:35,080
The society demanded that the reality not be

1096
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,800
shown by the artists who were painting this,

1097
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:40,040
which was our media of the day.

1098
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,000
And so it really struck me that human

1099
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,240
nature does not want to look at, well,

1100
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,160
how the sausage is made, right?

1101
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:50,580
That's the old cliche.

1102
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:52,760
We don't want to know how the sausage

1103
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,380
is made.

1104
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,800
But this trial is about showing how the

1105
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,960
sausage is made.

1106
00:46:58,460 --> 00:47:02,600
But unfortunately, Zoe's team will not be able

1107
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,960
to show how the sausage is made during

1108
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,640
the trial because they've dropped the theft charge.

1109
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,140
So it limits the amount of footage and

1110
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:14,240
even testimony about that.

1111
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,020
And that's really what I think is this

1112
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:23,620
epic David and Goliath battle.

1113
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,940
There's only one chicken she's allowed to speak

1114
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:29,780
about, apparently, aside from the four chickens that

1115
00:47:29,780 --> 00:47:33,460
she rescued, and that's the chicken in the

1116
00:47:34,060 --> 00:47:37,640
trying to report allegations of animal cruelty to

1117
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,360
law enforcement and being ignored.

1118
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:46,060
She is allowed to talk about Rose, the

1119
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:50,640
one chicken that cops allowed, way back in

1120
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,220
2018, animal activists to rescue during an open

1121
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:55,940
rescue.

1122
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,380
Let's listen to that, and then we'll get

1123
00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:59,960
Paige's comment on the other side.

1124
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:05,080
About five years ago, animal rescuers went to

1125
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,360
a factory farm, this applies to Petaluma Poultry,

1126
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,220
and tried to rescue chickens for dying on

1127
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:13,560
the floor of this factory farm.

1128
00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:17,940
And the animal rescuers called the police because

1129
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:19,520
they were hoping that the police would come

1130
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,820
and try to help the animals and address

1131
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:22,940
the criminal animal cruelty.

1132
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:26,140
And the police did show up, but they

1133
00:48:26,140 --> 00:48:28,420
decided, instead of helping the animals, that they

1134
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:30,820
were going to protect corporate interest.

1135
00:48:31,420 --> 00:48:34,680
And they actually tore those chickens out of

1136
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,740
the arms of animal rescuers, and law enforcement

1137
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:39,260
killed all of them.

1138
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,120
All but one.

1139
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:42,340
One chicken.

1140
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,780
One chicken was allowed to go past police

1141
00:48:46,780 --> 00:48:47,280
lines.

1142
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,920
One chicken was allowed to go to the

1143
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,840
vet and get care and spend her life

1144
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,340
at sanctuary.

1145
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:55,080
And that chicken was Rose.

1146
00:48:56,140 --> 00:49:00,280
Rose was brought to me, and she was

1147
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,360
severely debilitated.

1148
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:02,740
She was really sick.

1149
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:05,300
The first night that she was with me,

1150
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:06,420
she was so scared.

1151
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,900
I remember I had her in my bedroom

1152
00:49:08,900 --> 00:49:10,160
in case she needed anything.

1153
00:49:12,100 --> 00:49:14,200
And when I turned the lights out, she

1154
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:14,900
started crying.

1155
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,280
And I couldn't figure out what was wrong.

1156
00:49:17,740 --> 00:49:18,860
I didn't know if she was in pain.

1157
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:20,400
I just didn't know why she was so

1158
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:20,800
upset.

1159
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,760
She just wouldn't stop crying.

1160
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:25,240
And finally, I wrapped her in a blanket,

1161
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:27,800
and I brought her up onto my bed.

1162
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,200
And then she fell asleep.

1163
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:31,480
She stopped crying.

1164
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,520
And I realized she just didn't want to

1165
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:34,020
be alone.

1166
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,840
And from that day forward, she slept in

1167
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,680
my bed every night.

1168
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,280
She went with me everywhere.

1169
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:41,080
She came with me to the grocery store,

1170
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:44,100
to restaurants, even sometimes to school.

1171
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,620
And about a year after she was rescued,

1172
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:49,620
she passed away very suddenly.

1173
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,160
She had never really fully regained her health.

1174
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:54,940
She never regained use of one of her

1175
00:49:54,940 --> 00:49:55,380
legs.

1176
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,300
And I've spent the last four years grieving

1177
00:49:59,300 --> 00:49:59,840
Rose.

1178
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:04,400
After Rose's death, her story inspired a mass

1179
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,040
movement for animals, a movement for Rose's law,

1180
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:10,200
a law that would give animals a bill

1181
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:10,720
of rights.

1182
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:12,920
And the first one of those rights is

1183
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,100
the right to be rescued.

1184
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Wow, so powerful.

1185
00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:20,900
First of all, Zoe is a very powerful

1186
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:21,580
speaker.

1187
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:25,860
So I want to get your reaction, Paige.

1188
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,180
And then also from Justine, how much of

1189
00:50:29,180 --> 00:50:30,900
that do you think the jury is ever

1190
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:31,540
going to hear?

1191
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,020
So Paige, take it away.

1192
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,180
Well, here's the thing that I'm left with.

1193
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,140
I actually posted about this today.

1194
00:50:38,020 --> 00:50:39,860
Compassion should not be a crime.

1195
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,580
In this case, this is what she's on

1196
00:50:41,580 --> 00:50:42,200
the stand for.

1197
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,520
If you ask me, think of a dog

1198
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,100
in a hot car.

1199
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:45,880
We talked about that.

1200
00:50:46,180 --> 00:50:49,100
What about a chicken on the road?

1201
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,340
Or any animal that you were driving along

1202
00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:54,940
and saw on the road?

1203
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,400
Most people would veer out of the way

1204
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,540
for that chicken to stay alive.

1205
00:51:01,060 --> 00:51:03,900
What about, okay, we've all seen videos of

1206
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,820
animals like deers stuck in a barbed wire

1207
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:08,560
fence in distress.

1208
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,820
That's my point.

1209
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,720
So most human beings living and breathing right

1210
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,540
now have compassion for animals, period.

1211
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,820
Then we have the disconnect, which is purposeful

1212
00:51:20,820 --> 00:51:23,100
of our food system, right?

1213
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,780
Standard average diet has made it American call

1214
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:32,200
it average is this circular plate that includes

1215
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,060
protein.

1216
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,180
It does not say sometimes poultry, beef, right?

1217
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,500
They do go with ham, right?

1218
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,340
That's all considered protein.

1219
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,940
We're not talking shit.

1220
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:44,940
Well, there is chicken.

1221
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,340
That's interesting because it's sometimes used like that

1222
00:51:47,340 --> 00:51:47,840
or poultry.

1223
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,720
But the point is, this all is a

1224
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,080
dodge and slide and twist of the truth

1225
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,000
that these are animals that we're consuming.

1226
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,060
When I used to eat pepperoni on my

1227
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:01,540
pizza chain, I didn't think about that being

1228
00:52:01,540 --> 00:52:03,400
an animal and pig and lots of pig

1229
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:03,720
parts.

1230
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:05,500
It was tasty pepperoni.

1231
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,180
So my point is, most human beings and

1232
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:13,280
the jury have the right, I believe, to

1233
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,600
be presented with all the information.

1234
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:17,940
How can you create a full picture?

1235
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:21,260
Because right now there's billboards up, there's brochures

1236
00:52:21,260 --> 00:52:23,660
going out about extremists.

1237
00:52:24,100 --> 00:52:26,720
We are human beings who are showing that

1238
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,800
compassion matters and is not a crime.

1239
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:30,160
Yeah.

1240
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:32,580
Good points.

1241
00:52:33,300 --> 00:52:36,540
Justine, that was a very incredible speech that

1242
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:38,020
Zoe Rosenberg gave.

1243
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,740
She is a very good speaker.

1244
00:52:40,060 --> 00:52:41,260
She is compelling.

1245
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:43,860
How much of that do you think is

1246
00:52:43,860 --> 00:52:45,440
going to get to the jury and what

1247
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,680
impact could it have on the jury?

1248
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:51,860
Well, I think that it remains to be

1249
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:54,320
seen the extent of the story that she's

1250
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,500
allowed to share on the stand.

1251
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:59,500
It is a good ruling in the defense's

1252
00:52:59,500 --> 00:53:02,320
favor that she is allowed to talk about

1253
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,900
the story with Rose to counter the intent

1254
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:09,740
element of the crimes that she's charged with.

1255
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,020
So that's really big.

1256
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:12,680
That's important.

1257
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:16,580
And the story really humanizes Rose, the way

1258
00:53:16,580 --> 00:53:17,720
she talks about Rose.

1259
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,080
This addresses that cognitive dissonance.

1260
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,260
I think that page was addressing as well,

1261
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:31,820
is that you have the story that Zoe's

1262
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:34,740
conveying and I think it's compelling.

1263
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,660
I think that most people want to see

1264
00:53:37,660 --> 00:53:39,440
animals treated humanely.

1265
00:53:39,580 --> 00:53:43,320
That's why that people buy into the humane

1266
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,380
washing and the aspect of just going up,

1267
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:52,080
you used the phrase earlier about seeing how

1268
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,480
a sausage is made.

1269
00:53:53,820 --> 00:53:58,120
Well, who is involved with a sausage being

1270
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:58,320
made?

1271
00:53:58,340 --> 00:54:01,760
For us, it's about terminology and what the

1272
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,760
jurors hear in that story and the terms

1273
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:05,960
used matter.

1274
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:09,700
Are they going to see Zoe's story as

1275
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:16,020
that she did this out of compassion, care.

1276
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:19,140
She was worried about the health of the

1277
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:20,740
four chickens that were taken.

1278
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,000
And it's other good news that the veterinary

1279
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,140
information will be allowed.

1280
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:30,720
The witnesses about the health of those four

1281
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,000
chickens is important.

1282
00:54:32,460 --> 00:54:35,820
So the dissonance is on the one hand,

1283
00:54:36,060 --> 00:54:38,820
people want to see that animals are treated

1284
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:39,640
humanely.

1285
00:54:40,060 --> 00:54:41,580
So that's going to be really important is

1286
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:42,780
how sick were these chickens?

1287
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,400
Were they really cruelly treated or was that

1288
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,840
just standard care, standard practice in this industry?

1289
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,780
So the terms matter.

1290
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,960
And if I could just get back to

1291
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,500
the measure J language for a while about

1292
00:54:57,500 --> 00:54:59,900
the opposition of what people are seeing in

1293
00:54:59,900 --> 00:55:03,320
those brochures, it really talks about animals as

1294
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,200
products.

1295
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,740
They're talking about their family, whether it's the

1296
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:13,600
family industry or the CAFOs, the animals are

1297
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,160
referred to, I mean, what we think of

1298
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:22,020
as care for the animals, people are thinking

1299
00:55:22,020 --> 00:55:23,980
of as, yes, we care about the animals

1300
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:27,840
too, but we see them as food.

1301
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:32,080
And the terms used in a no on

1302
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,580
measure J language, I just want to say,

1303
00:55:35,580 --> 00:55:38,500
this is an opposition to measure J.

1304
00:55:38,740 --> 00:55:41,080
We talked about that would have banned the

1305
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:42,480
CAFOs in Sonoma County.

1306
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,780
Measure J would increase costs of dairy, eggs,

1307
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,800
and poultry as these products would need to

1308
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,660
be imported from other parts of the state

1309
00:55:53,660 --> 00:55:55,380
country and other countries.

1310
00:55:56,100 --> 00:55:59,860
So people want to have their products, but

1311
00:55:59,860 --> 00:56:04,560
not recognize who, what bodies are involved with

1312
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:05,000
those products.

1313
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:07,520
Another way of saying it is they want

1314
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,740
their cake and eat it too, except it's

1315
00:56:09,740 --> 00:56:10,320
not cake.

1316
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:11,460
It's a living animal.

1317
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,700
Just yesterday I was at the supermarket and

1318
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:16,900
yes, I did have my two service dogs

1319
00:56:16,900 --> 00:56:17,280
there.

1320
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:20,240
And the woman behind me checking out just

1321
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:22,800
loved my dogs and was talking and petting.

1322
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,620
And then as I turned, she had literally

1323
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:28,560
two things she was buying, bacon and steak.

1324
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,720
And it was just such a disconnect because

1325
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,660
obviously she loves animals, but she doesn't see

1326
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,620
pigs when she looks at bacon.

1327
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,560
She doesn't see cows when she looks at

1328
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:39,980
steak.

1329
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:45,100
That's really the big challenge for us is

1330
00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:49,420
to get that truth to people, that truth.

1331
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,020
And all of us, I think we're at

1332
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:57,140
a point once where that switch hadn't turned.

1333
00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:58,740
It's literally a switch.

1334
00:56:59,740 --> 00:57:02,900
And so maybe if let's say, for example,

1335
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,980
the prosecutors are watching, that switch can be

1336
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:08,000
turned because you might have dogs at home

1337
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:08,720
that you love.

1338
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:12,720
And the chickens are very similar to the

1339
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,860
dogs you have that are similar to the

1340
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:16,580
cows that are similar to the pigs.

1341
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:21,420
They all are sentient beings with individual personalities

1342
00:57:21,420 --> 00:57:22,560
who want to live.

1343
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:29,020
So how do we get people to make

1344
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:31,240
that switch in their mentality?

1345
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,320
That's it.

1346
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,280
We're at the end of our broadcast.

1347
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,580
I'm going to give everybody 30 seconds.

1348
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,860
Thank you for your patience.

1349
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,480
Final thoughts, Paige.

1350
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,080
Final thoughts.

1351
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,440
Compassion is not a crime.

1352
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:46,420
Over to you.

1353
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,200
All right, Ellen Dent, final thought.

1354
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:54,620
Well, my final thought is that I hope

1355
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:56,700
that they do show some of the footage.

1356
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:58,000
I hope they show Rose.

1357
00:57:58,380 --> 00:58:00,020
I hope that they change their mind about

1358
00:58:00,020 --> 00:58:04,000
showing the footage from the other chickens, Poppy,

1359
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,700
Ivy, Azalea, and Aster as well so that

1360
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:09,820
people can see the truth.

1361
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:11,520
Because how can they come to that conclusion?

1362
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,100
How can we break through the cognitive dissonance

1363
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:17,480
of not understanding who they're eating?

1364
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,300
It's not a what, but a who that

1365
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:20,620
they have on their plates.

1366
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,020
How can they do that without seeing the

1367
00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:23,220
footage?

1368
00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:24,060
Thank you.

1369
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:25,280
All right.

1370
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,260
Now we're going to go to Tiffany Brunelli.

1371
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,080
Final thought.

1372
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,480
Yes.

1373
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,040
I want to give a plug out to

1374
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,960
DXC Los Angeles too.

1375
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,420
For Rose's Law, we're going into a week

1376
00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:37,260
of action all over the world.

1377
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,300
We have something very exciting planned in LA

1378
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:42,560
on October 1st.

1379
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,260
If people want to join, hit up the

1380
00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:47,500
DXC Los Angeles Facebook page.

1381
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:51,140
We're going to do six bridges, consecutive bridges,

1382
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:52,980
and each one is going to have a

1383
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:56,000
16-foot-long banner for one of the

1384
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Rose's Laws, each one.

1385
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:01,400
They'll be driving and you can see each

1386
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,720
one, each of the six requests for Rose's

1387
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:04,880
Law.

1388
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:05,820
Wow.

1389
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:06,220
Okay.

1390
00:59:06,260 --> 00:59:07,980
We'll talk more about Rose's Law and the

1391
00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:09,000
details of that tomorrow.

1392
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,800
Lindsay Baker, your final thought.

1393
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:12,440
Yeah.

1394
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,880
I'm just glad to hear what Paul said

1395
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,700
about the judge being more fair this time,

1396
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:19,220
hopefully.

1397
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,300
I also agree what Ellen said and what

1398
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:23,100
Paige said.

1399
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:24,980
Compassion is not a crime.

1400
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,260
I do hope that footage is shown.

1401
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:30,100
I hope that everyone does everything they can

1402
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,520
to make sure the word gets out.

1403
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:33,740
Well, Anne, I want to thank ...

1404
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:35,500
Let's hear it for Johnny Mora at the

1405
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:37,520
courthouse doing a bang-up job.

1406
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,540
Really, way to go, Johnny.

1407
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:42,220
You've really come through.

1408
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:46,620
My final thought is share this out, people.

1409
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:52,980
Back in the day when you had people

1410
00:59:52,980 --> 00:59:55,700
at night handing out leaflets in the dark,

1411
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,700
that's where we're at.

1412
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,500
The power of social media is great.

1413
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,540
We're streaming this across all of our socials

1414
01:00:03,540 --> 01:00:08,300
on X, on YouTube, on Facebook, on LinkedIn,

1415
01:00:08,540 --> 01:00:10,420
and on our streaming network behind me.

1416
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:11,800
Please share it out.

1417
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,880
We invite the companies involved on any time.

1418
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,340
Thank you so much, everybody.

1419
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:17,320
We'll see you tomorrow.

1420
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,300
Be part of the history.

1421
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:20,420
Come back tomorrow.

1422
01:00:21,020 --> 01:00:22,000
Woo-hoo, Anne.

1423
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:22,800
Thanks.