You Won't Believe This Epic Vegan Thanksgiving from the 19th Century

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The 1890s Vegan Thanksgiving Gala.

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Step back in time, ladies and gents, to

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the city of Philadelphia, where our nation was

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born in the sound of the Tofurky Rad

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and learn the amazing history of vegetarianism and

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veganism in the United States from two experts.

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History came alive at Philly's Vegan Thanksgiving Revival

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Gala on November 22nd, 2025.

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About 100 guests gathered in Philly for a

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unique celebration, the 1890s Vegan Thanksgiving Gala.

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This living history banquet transported attendees back to

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the golden age of vegetarianism with ragtime music,

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mocktails, vintage gowns, and delicious plant-based dishes

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adapted from original 19th century vegetarian recipes.

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Yes, there was a huge vegetarian movement in

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the United States in the 19th century, and

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that's what you're going to learn all about

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from two experts, one of whom is Seth

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Pivot, the founder of the one and only

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Tofurky, the amazing alternative to eating an actual

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turkey.

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There he is right in the center, Seth

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Pivot, the founder of Tofurky, and Ann Denshaw,

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the CEO of the American Vegan Society that

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put this incredible celebration on.

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So Tofurky started in 1995 in the Pacific

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Northwest where I had been struggling at Thanksgiving

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to find something to eat that was like

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celebratory and high-protein, center of the table,

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you know, and I saw all these people

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that were eating Tofurky, including some vegetarians who

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would backslide into eating turkey on Thanksgiving back

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then, and I wanted to have something that

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we, as vegetarians and vegans, that we could

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eat.

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So we invented Tofurky just for that purpose

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and right away it was apparent that this

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was a big moment, you know, we found

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a niche that was not really fiddled at

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that point, you know, which was having this

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food that vegetarians and vegans could eat at

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Thanksgiving.

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And so I thought, oh man, I've invented

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sliced bread, this is incredible.

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And then after that first season, I got

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an email from Bill Shurtleff, who is the

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author of the book of Tempeh, the book

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of Tofu, and kind of the historian of

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the soy movement and meat alternative movement, and

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he goes, hey Seth, did you know that

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in 1895 there were vegetable turkeys?

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And I was like, oh my god, I

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had no idea.

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And that idea really struck me, and he

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sent me an article about it, and I

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read it.

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And so I was researching that really for

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the next 20 years or so with Tofurky,

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and then it was last year, in 2024

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actually, that I found these recipes for a

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vegan, well, actually it was vegetarianism then, because

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veganism didn't really start until Donald Watson in

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1944 coined the word, but it was like

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news to me that here was these recipes

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that I found in, of all places, the

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1900 November issue of Good Housekeeping magazine.

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And so I thought then, wow, wouldn't it

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be great to taste these?

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Because I wanted to know what these recipes

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tasted like, and I thought it would be

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a good living history thing, because people think

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that vegetarianism, veganism only was a family that

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was born, you know, in the 1960s, but

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actually vegetarians were busy veganizing, vegetarianizing Thanksgiving all

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the way back in the 1890s.

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Before we get to Ann, you did an

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incredible presentation at the event, at the gala.

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By the way, we were all in costume.

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It was super fun.

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I hope you do it again, Ann, because

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it was a blast.

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But you gave an incredible speech that was

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so fun with a PowerPoint, but it also

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taught everybody, including myself, so much about the

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history of the plant-based movement in America.

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Let's hear a little bit about that, a

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clip from that incredible speech, and then we'll

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talk to you on the other side.

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The first mention of vegetable turkeys was in

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1869.

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It was like in Indiana, and it's almost

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like a early National Enquirer article, man finds

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giant beef and thinks it's turkey.

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And they published an article about it, but

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in the process they mentioned vegetable turkey in

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1869.

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So that's where the term came from, from

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this beef.

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In 1886, right here in Philadelphia, was the

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Vegetarian Society of America, who had this magazine,

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Food, Home, and Garden, and they published all

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the stories that, again, read like a social

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media post.

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Like here's one of the posts, Mr. O.

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Charrington Arthur of Oregon writes that after experimenting,

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he has come to the conclusion he is

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better without butter or any animal products.

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Here's the first vegetable turkey recipe, which is

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in 1891.

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This is what we had to go on

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a lot of times when we were researching

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these recipes.

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You'll notice that they're in paragraph form.

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It's not like we have recipes today, where

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you have the ingredients and then the preparation,

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and this was a recipe that was based

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on bread.

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It was just so fascinating.

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I learned a lot.

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I want to go to Ann Denshaw, the

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CEO of the American Vegan Society, and we'll

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talk more about the incredible history of that

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organization in a second.

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But you were sort of the concert master,

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the maestro of this entire, very complicated event.

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I'm going to show some of the incredible

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food that was served there.

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Tell us how you brought this together and

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all the different chefs that you recruited, top

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vegan chefs from around Philadelphia and the country,

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Ann.

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Well, I had the pleasure of being the

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event coordinator, and it was a lot of

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fun to get to work with amazing chefs.

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Really, Rachel Klein and Christina Perlow put together

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the food with the help of many other

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prominent Philadelphia chefs who veganized the recipes.

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I've got to give Seth credit for having

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the dream of doing this celebration, and American

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Vegan Society, that's a big part of what

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we do, is we like to throw celebrations

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because we spend a lot of time teaching

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people what vegan is, how to be vegan,

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how to be successful at being vegan, how

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to encourage others to be vegan.

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But sometimes you've got to just stop and

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celebrate, and so that was a big part

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of what this was about.

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Yeah, and you're looking at the main course.

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second.

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Absolutely delicious.

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The reviews were raves.

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That was a vegetable turkey on top, and

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here are the incredible desserts.

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Now, remember, everybody, this is all taken from,

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essentially inspired by, Good Housekeeping and other recipes

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that were published at the start of the

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20th century and the end of the 19th

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century.

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So I really want to ask you, Seth,

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for those people who have no clue that,

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first of all, veganism or the idea of

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a non-violent meatless diet goes back to

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Pythagoras, you know, to the ancient Greeks and

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to Buddhism.

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Why is it important to show that the

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plant-based movement has a rich and long

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history?

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veganism right now has had some incredible growth.

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Really, it's a golden age of veganism that

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we've been living in since, I would say,

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1995 when the first Tofurky came out.

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But, you know, Beyond an Impossible came so

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close to the sun, really.

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They were showing up all over in, you

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know, fast food restaurants and stores and, you

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know, Tofurky and other products were doing the

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same thing too.

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So, big meat and big dairy had to

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respond and this is what they have done,

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They've really tried to villainize plant-based foods

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with all of this misinformation and saying that

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their products are the ones that you should

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be eating and that this is just a

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fad.

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Plant-based food eating was a fad.

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important to look at, like you say, that

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this is a quote-unquote fad, but it's

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not a fad.

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It's a movement that's been around centuries, really,

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in the world.

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And I would say the movement in the

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USA has been around since 1819 when the

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Bible Christians came over from England with the

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idea of spreading their good news of the

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plant-based diet into America.

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So, I think it's really important to look

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at the long history and then you can

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extrapolate that this isn't a fad, but it's

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something, a diet that'll last on into the

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future and is strong and a great way

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to live and eat.

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So, that's why I think it's important to

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have these kind of living history events that

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underscore that.

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And it was just so much fun.

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Again, you're seeing people in period outfits and

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the food was based on these 19th century

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recipes.

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It was a unique event that also had

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a purpose of showing the history of the

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vegan movement and the vegetarian movement at a

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time where, as Seth mentions, basically there's a

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lot of very powerful forces that would like

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to just make veganism disappear.

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So, I want to go back to you,

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Ann, and talk about the history of the

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vegan movement in America and the crucial role

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that your parents played in founding your dad,

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J.

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Dinshaw, and your mom, Freya, in founding the

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American Vegan Society, helping it take off, helping

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it go pretty much from a concept that

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very few people had heard of in 1960

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to something that is obviously recognized around the

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world.

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So, why don't you tell us a little

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bit about the history of your family and

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how that relates to the vegan movement?

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My father, J.

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Dinshaw, visited a slaughterhouse because back then you

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could just knock on the door and say,

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your food is made.

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And he saw dairy cows get slaughtered in

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Philadelphia.

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He went vegan on the spot.

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And so, he decided to devote his life

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to lecturing, teaching people how to pronounce the

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word vegan and what it really means.

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So, in 1960, he founded American Vegan Society

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and he was the president.

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And my mom was actually his pen pal

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and she joined him in 1960, just a

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few months after he started the organization.

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And they really traveled together frequently.

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He would give the talks.

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She would help people learn how to cook

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vegan.

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In 1965, she published, that's Freya Dinshaw, my

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mother, she published the very first vegan cookbook

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in America that used the word vegan in

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the title.

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And that's what they devoted their lives to.

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So, when my dad passed away in 2000,

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because he internalized the suffering of billions of

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animals, my mom took over as being president

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and she just retired last year.

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And so, now I've decided to not be

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the president.

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We have someone else being our board president

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and we created a new role of CEO.

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And so, I like to call that coaching

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effective organization.

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And there's your incredible family.

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We learned so much about it by visiting

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the headquarters.

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There's two headquarters.

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There's the original headquarters in New Jersey.

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And then you have a Brownstone storefront in

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Old City, Philadelphia.

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That's incredible.

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But what history that you brought us.

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And by the way, we're in the process

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of doing a documentary series on that.

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And so, we're going to step back in

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time and really show all the, almost like

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secrets, secrets revealed of the start of the

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vegan movement in the United States.

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Just for one example, you, Ann, were born

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as a vegan baby and that was like,

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ah, everybody was up in arms.

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And your mother, Freya, wrote an article in

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the American Vegan Society publication to explain like,

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wow, you can be totally healthy on a

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vegan diet as a baby, as a mother

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who's pregnant, getting ready to give birth, dispelling

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a lot of these myths that frankly are

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perpetrated and perpetuated by people who make money

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off of selling formula and trying to convince

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customers and consumers that they have to consume

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dairy.

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Yes.

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Well, I've been vegan my entire life.

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So, 56 years of veganism as of now.

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I like to keep celebrating my 39th birthday.

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So, that's all good.

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But I've got plenty of energy.

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I've always been an athlete.

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And yeah, back in the day, like in

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the 70s and 80s, I just didn't really

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tell people I was vegan because the world

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wasn't really ready to hear it.

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And I just let people like me as

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a friend because I was growing up.

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Yeah.

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And everybody is just loving this concept of

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a vegan gala based on vegetarian recipes from

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the golden age.

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And I just only learned in the past

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year that the word vegan was created in

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1944.

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I mean, we have to put this in

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context.

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We're babies.

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We're babies here in terms of veganism.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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The word vegan was created in England.

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And ironically, that's also where my mother was

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from.

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So, she was about three years old when

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this word was coined and took her correspondence

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with an American to convince her to go

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fully vegan.

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But both my parents grew up in vegetarian

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households.

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And we did our own bit of research

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in preparation for the gala.

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And we found out that one of my

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grandparents was actually in America as a vegetarian

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in the 1890s.

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And so, he would have experienced a vegan

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or vegetarian, at least, 1890s experience.

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That's amazing.

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Well, let's get back to...

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Yeah, it's truly amazing, the history.

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And we all should learn it because it

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gives you strength.

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And nothing goes straight up.

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Right now, we're in a little bit of...

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Well, we're on our heels because very powerful

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institutions want to wipe us off the map.

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But I feel that there could be also

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a boomerang effect.

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So, it could end up being a positive.

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So, let's talk about the main course, the

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vegetable turkey.

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Again, to recap, you, the founder of Tofurky,

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Seth, thought you had created this incredible product,

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which you did.

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I've enjoyed it for many, many Thanksgivings and

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continue to have the Tofurky deli slices and

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the Tofurky plant-based chicken just this week.

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It's so good.

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But you were shocked to find out, oh

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my God, they were doing similar things back

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in the 1890s.

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So, tell us about how you tried to

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recreate but also modernize the original menu so

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that they were free of eggs, free of

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dairy.

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And let's dive into that vegetable turkey with

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chestnuts that was served at the gala.

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Yeah.

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So, this recipe was based on chestnuts and

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eggplant.

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And the modern Tofurky and Gardein and Field

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Roast, they're all kind of modern textural creations

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that use vital wheat gluten.

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And this was a whole food recipe that

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didn't have any of the isolates or concentrates

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that, well, Tofurky doesn't have those, but some

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of them do, but it didn't have tofu

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either because tofu was just getting a foothold

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in America at that time.

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And so, I was attracted to this recipe.

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I found five vegetable turkey recipes and I

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took them down to a culinary institute on

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the Oregon coast where I teach a class

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in veganism every year to these young student

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chefs.

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And we made up these five different recipes.

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Some were like more like a nut loaf.

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And then this one really stood out because

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of the eggplant chestnut texture.

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You know, chestnut trees in 1900 were about

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a fourth of the deciduous trees in America.

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And then in 1906, a blight came over

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from Japan and it destroyed all of these

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chestnut trees.

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So, chestnuts, which were a big part of

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holiday eating in the 1900s and 1890s, really

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disappeared.

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But this recipe tested good for us.

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And then I took it to my old

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friend, Hans Robel, who created the first tofu

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turkey for us in 1995.

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And he took the recipe and brought it

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to another level, but he kept the main

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ingredients the same.

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And he just tweaked them.

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Like for instance, onions, he caramelized the onions

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instead of just putting them in the roast

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like the recipe called for.

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And to make it like more of a

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flavorful vegetable turkey, he added a little bit

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of nutritional yeast.

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But those were really about the only things

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that he changed.

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So, it was a very historical recipe and

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it was, I felt like, very close to

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what a vegetarian would have eaten if they

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had made that recipe when it came out

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in 1900.

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And again, many, many chefs were involved.

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You have something like nine chefs total.

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Then you have all these student chefs and

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other supervisors.

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But there were two women, two female chefs

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who were at the very heart of it,

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let's hear a little bit from them.

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And then we'll talk about how they also

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made this all happen.

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I'm Christina Pirello.

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I've been vegan for 42 years.

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And I'm an instructor here at Walnut Hill

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and a television host on the longest running

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vegan cooking show on television.

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Hi, my name is Rachel Klein.

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I'm the chef owner of Miss Rachel's Pantry.

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I have been vegan since 2008.

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I went from vegetarian, which I did in

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kindergarten, to vegan because I watched a little

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documentary that someone made.

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They were a dairy farm owner and just

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about how the baby cows cry for their

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mom after they're separated.

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And that was enough to make me cut

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out dairy and then eggs followed.

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Wow.

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So, amazing chefs.

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As you see, they're world famous in their

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own, each in their own way.

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One from television, one from an extremely popular

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restaurant.

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Tell us how this came together, Anne.

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The menu is really extraordinary.

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Well, the menu, I really give credit to

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Seth.

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He wanted to keep it honoring what he

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found in a magazine.

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And then he recruited Rachel and it just

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blossomed from there that we got a lot

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of the other Philadelphia chefs involved.

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And sometimes I think it really takes having

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someone with a dream.

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Like this is really Seth's dream, but he's

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on the West Coast and he needed someone

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in Philadelphia to put it together.

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So, anything that wasn't the food was my

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job to put together.

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But the food, it was really Rachel and

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Christina.

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And we were so fortunate that Christina already

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works at Walnut Hill College and she's a

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chef educator there.

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So, we were able to use their facility,

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which was just beautiful for having a banquet.

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I want to add something to that.

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Christina works at Walnut Hill College, which is

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a non-vegan culinary college, but it's the

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only culinary college in America where student chefs

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have to take a course that she teaches

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in veganism to graduate.

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So, it was a perfect fit for us.

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And the president said that he jumped on

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the chance to host this because he thought

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this will be an amazing opportunity for our

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student chefs to work with these famous vegan

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chefs and learn vegan cooking.

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So, it was a win-win for everybody.

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And these student chefs really learned a lot

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from working with Christina and Rachel.

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And Rachel, I mean, all of Philadelphia, I

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want to give a shout out to the

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vegan restaurants that are there.

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It is an amazing vegan city.

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Do you know that there's 30 vegan cheese

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steaks in the city of Philadelphia and all

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these restaurants?

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That's an amazing number of vegan cheese steaks.

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And, you know, you have some high-end

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restaurants like everybody I think might know Veg,

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which is a pioneering restaurant that has been

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around and has done great work for years.

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But Rachel runs this pantry and it is

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amazing.

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She is a high-end meal.

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She changes the recipe every month.

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And it's like a big dinner party when

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you go there and you pay up front

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and then you go to the event and

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the dinner and people and you just enjoy

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it because you've already paid.

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You don't have to tip because you've already

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tipped.

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Tip is included.

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She pays her people a working salary and

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living salary.

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But people are flying in from places and

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driving three hours to come every month to

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Rachel's place.

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And there's some diners that literally have tears

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after eating her food.

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I mean, I think Rachel is an undiscovered

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gem and is one of the most amazing

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vegan chefs in America and really the world

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right now.

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And what a place that is.

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If you're ever in Philadelphia, you got to

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go there.

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I mean, it's just amazing.

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I don't want to date myself, but I

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worked in Philadelphia many decades ago and there

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was barely a single restaurant.

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There was only one famous one in the

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Rittenhouse Square area that I remember.

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But wow, what an incredible renaissance.

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I have to go way, way back because

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obviously Philadelphia is where our nation, the United

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States was formed.

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And Benjamin Franklin is one of the famous

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founding fathers.

540
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,920
I believe he's one of the very few

541
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,700
who signed both the Declaration of Independence and

542
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:28,620
the Constitution.

543
00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:32,600
And what is ignored in history is that

544
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,960
he was a vegetarian for most of his

545
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960
life, or I shouldn't say most.

546
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:40,280
He lived a long time, but for a

547
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,040
lot of his life.

548
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,340
And that's ignored in history.

549
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,520
Can you tell us a little bit more

550
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,760
about Benjamin Franklin and why that's so significant?

551
00:25:51,260 --> 00:25:51,460
Yeah.

552
00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,520
I mean, that's a great example that you

553
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,700
give a Benjamin Franklin.

554
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,060
He wasn't even mentioned, Ken Burns did a

555
00:26:01,060 --> 00:26:03,200
great series on him.

556
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,420
It was four hours and I watched the

557
00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:07,460
whole thing and I was like, okay, they're

558
00:26:07,460 --> 00:26:09,600
going to talk about his vegetarianism, right?

559
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Because he became a vegetarian in his late

560
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,320
teens and early twenties.

561
00:26:16,180 --> 00:26:19,560
And he was kind of, he talks about

562
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,860
how meat is murder.

563
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,880
He said that.

564
00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:25,240
And he said that vegetarianism gave him a

565
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,380
clarity of thought that he couldn't get anywhere

566
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:28,880
else.

567
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,120
And he just lived it for many years.

568
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,800
He talked about how hard it was, like

569
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,600
his friends would all be going out to

570
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,500
eat and they would say, why don't you

571
00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:41,080
come with us?

572
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,480
He said, no, I'm just going to stay

573
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,480
here and study because there's nothing for me

574
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,860
to eat at these restaurants.

575
00:26:46,260 --> 00:26:49,280
And so it was a big part of

576
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,980
him at a formative age of his life.

577
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,280
And then when he was over in France,

578
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,620
trying to convince them to help in the

579
00:26:59,620 --> 00:27:04,520
Revolutionary War effort, he discovered what he called

580
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,940
Chinese cheese, which was, and he wrote a

581
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:09,940
letter home about it, which was the first

582
00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:13,340
mention of tofu that we can find in

583
00:27:13,340 --> 00:27:13,780
literature.

584
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,880
And so he was onto that.

585
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:20,560
Even when he became more of a pescatarian,

586
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,640
when he was going back and forth to

587
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,700
Europe on boats, he started eating some fish.

588
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,100
But even back then, he was into tofu

589
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:33,500
and other products.

590
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:35,760
So he kept a lot of his plant

591
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,180
B eating diet, even back when he became

592
00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:41,000
a pescatarian.

593
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:46,700
So he was quite an interesting soul in

594
00:27:46,700 --> 00:27:47,440
many respects.

595
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,480
Well, I think this is another reason why

596
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,680
this is so important, is that veganism is

597
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,080
written out of the history books.

598
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,800
And you know, they say people who write

599
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,920
history, make history.

600
00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:03,140
Jane Goodall was a vegan.

601
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,560
I read several articles after she tragically passed

602
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,460
away, after a very long and healthy and

603
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:11,900
vibrant active life, active right till the end.

604
00:28:12,660 --> 00:28:15,600
Very, not the big media did not mention

605
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,240
she's vegan.

606
00:28:17,020 --> 00:28:19,920
And this happens over and over and over

607
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,240
again.

608
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,400
Think of the implications that the founding, one

609
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,720
of the seminal founding fathers of our nation

610
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,260
said meat is murder.

611
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,600
It puts it in an entirely different context.

612
00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:35,320
People like to say, well, that's the crazy

613
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,380
paint throwers, the red paint throwers.

614
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,460
No, that was our founding father.

615
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,100
And so, you know, we have to stand

616
00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:47,840
up for ourselves and especially now, and not

617
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,060
to get political, but I will say this

618
00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:51,700
is fact.

619
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:54,260
There's a new food pyramid put out just

620
00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:57,200
the other day that puts meat and dairy

621
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,620
at the top, even though, you know, heart

622
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:03,820
disease is the leading killer in America and

623
00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:07,480
Americans eat more meat than, you know, vast

624
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,500
parts of the world, most of the world.

625
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,360
We're one of the biggest consumers of meat

626
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,600
and yet the heart attacks are killing us

627
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,500
and we're suffering a lot from cancer.

628
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:20,400
So, you know, that's another reason.

629
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:23,280
Seth, I have to go to you on

630
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,580
this.

631
00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:26,740
Back in the 1890s or the early 20th

632
00:29:26,740 --> 00:29:30,280
century, the U.S. government was actually, as

633
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,280
I understand it from you, encouraging Americans to

634
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,820
reduce their meat consumption versus what you see

635
00:29:37,820 --> 00:29:38,600
right now.

636
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Tell us about that.

637
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,020
A hundred percent.

638
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:48,280
So there was the Secretary of Agriculture, Assistant

639
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,340
Secretary of Agriculture, was really worried at that

640
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:54,680
time about what does the future look like?

641
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:58,720
How could we feed a growing population when

642
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,160
meat at that time, animal meat, was very

643
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,800
expensive.

644
00:30:03,620 --> 00:30:09,380
Refrigeration was marginal, especially in transporting processed meat

645
00:30:09,380 --> 00:30:11,280
throughout the country.

646
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,520
And he went to, of all people, John

647
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,020
Harvey Kellogg, the brother of Will Kellogg, who

648
00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:20,680
founded the cereal company that we all know

649
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:20,980
of.

650
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,300
And he said, can't you create something that's

651
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:29,220
high protein that would not be based on

652
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:31,520
animals, but would be based on plant?

653
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,180
And so Kellogg went to work and he

654
00:30:34,180 --> 00:30:37,900
created granola, was one of the inventions of

655
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:38,180
his.

656
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:43,500
And he also created two canned meat products.

657
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,640
One was called Protose and one was called

658
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,300
Nuttose.

659
00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:50,520
And they were nut-based and Protose had

660
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,700
a little soy in it.

661
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,380
And they were high in protein and he

662
00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:56,360
was all for it.

663
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,660
And there were actually, in the 1900s, there

664
00:31:00,660 --> 00:31:03,660
were these pamphlets that were put out by

665
00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:07,160
the U.S. government that said, hey, we

666
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,740
know that you don't need to eat meat

667
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:10,960
in order to live.

668
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:14,360
And cutting down on your meat would be

669
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,080
good for your health and for our economy

670
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,060
and for the environment of the country.

671
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:26,260
So it was amazing to see that kind

672
00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:31,380
of support coming to vegetarian foods at the

673
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:31,780
time.

674
00:31:31,780 --> 00:31:35,180
And the government was, like you say, an

675
00:31:35,180 --> 00:31:39,400
ally of the plant-based movements in the

676
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,860
1900s.

677
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,080
So as a result, meat consumption went down

678
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,940
temporarily, correct?

679
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:49,560
That was incredible.

680
00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:53,960
Like due to the price of meat and

681
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,480
also, you know, a lot of the activism

682
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,380
of the vegetarians of that time, including Upton

683
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:02,680
Sinclair, who wrote The Jungle, which was a

684
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,780
novel that talked graphically about how meat was,

685
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,020
you know, animals were slaughtered and how meat

686
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:11,720
was processed in Chicago at the times.

687
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,180
And it just turned people off.

688
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:20,140
And so, you know, it was really from

689
00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:26,340
1901 to 1922, per capita meat consumption in

690
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:31,700
America fell an astounding 24%, which showed that

691
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,940
it wasn't just the vegetarians that were eating,

692
00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:38,640
you know, less meat or no meat, but

693
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,440
it was migrating out to society at large

694
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,420
and into the culture.

695
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:46,400
So it was, you know, in some of

696
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,640
the leading magazines, Ladies Home Journal, Good Housekeeping

697
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Magazine, it was everywhere.

698
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,060
There was a vegetarian football team that had

699
00:32:56,060 --> 00:33:00,580
vegetarian cheers, and they won the Big Ten

700
00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:04,840
division of football with this vegetarian football team.

701
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:08,140
There were people, athletes that were, you know,

702
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:12,640
showing their vegetarianism and how much more active

703
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,460
and better they could perform on the field

704
00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:18,480
by being vegetarian than animal-based ones.

705
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:20,900
So it was a golden age of vegetarianism,

706
00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:24,140
and it was amazing how the government supported

707
00:33:24,140 --> 00:33:24,400
it.

708
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,200
So now we have a government that is

709
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,920
pushing just, this is pretty much breaking news,

710
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:35,480
it's just happened this week, pushing meat and

711
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,060
dairy over the advice of the scientific community.

712
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:43,100
And in fact, there are efforts by Physician's

713
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:46,740
Committee for Responsible Medicine, filing a petition with

714
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:49,000
the USDA and Health and Human Services to

715
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,840
have it withdrawn based on undue corporate influence.

716
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,780
But if you look at the chart, tragically,

717
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,280
meat consumption is skyrocketing.

718
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,280
And Ann Dinshaw, you brought this up when

719
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,560
you were giving us the tour of the

720
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,699
American Vegan Society and what has happened since

721
00:34:07,699 --> 00:34:11,639
your father founded the American Vegan Society in

722
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:12,560
1960.

723
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,500
Well, also our population has exploded, so that

724
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:17,820
makes it even more of a challenge.

725
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,360
But what are your thoughts about where we

726
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,600
are right now and why this keeps going

727
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,020
up?

728
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,980
Well, I think it's tragic that it keeps

729
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:26,480
going up, of course.

730
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,440
But I think a big part of it

731
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,600
is that other countries, so that chart has

732
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,860
to do with the worldwide consumption of meat.

733
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:36,560
So yes, it's gone up in America as

734
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:36,800
well.

735
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:39,580
But other countries that used to be more

736
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:41,320
plant-based have followed our lead.

737
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,380
And that's why it's that much more important

738
00:34:43,380 --> 00:34:46,860
that right now American Vegan Society takes a

739
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:50,480
stronger role in helping people see that they

740
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,620
can have fun, they can eat well, it's

741
00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:57,180
delicious to eat plants and not eat animals,

742
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,720
and let other countries see that we can

743
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:01,520
change America.

744
00:35:02,020 --> 00:35:05,900
We are not all believers in what the

745
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:09,480
government says and that ridiculous food chart that

746
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,180
you just showed.

747
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,740
Most of us are much more intelligent and

748
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:14,980
it's time to really stand as a country

749
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:18,380
and show what we can do and what

750
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:20,440
the right things are to show the rest

751
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,740
of the world, that America can be much

752
00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:27,860
more vegan, much kinder, much gentler, much more

753
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:30,760
friendly, and all those good positive attributes that

754
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,440
we know we have.

755
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,660
Yes, of course.

756
00:35:36,180 --> 00:35:38,240
To be fair on that chart that you

757
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,320
showed that showed the number of animals being

758
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,040
slaughtered, beef and pork are down and those

759
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,920
are large animals.

760
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,940
And what's up is chicken.

761
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,540
So there's some, yeah, that's a great chart

762
00:35:54,540 --> 00:35:55,100
right there.

763
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,060
So you can see that the growth of

764
00:35:57,060 --> 00:36:01,920
chicken eating is really, you know, because you

765
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,180
have to slaughter so many other of these

766
00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:08,440
sentient beings, you know, which drives the numbers

767
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:08,860
up.

768
00:36:09,780 --> 00:36:10,920
You're absolutely right.

769
00:36:11,020 --> 00:36:13,380
And a lot of people don't even acknowledge

770
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,340
chicken as an animal.

771
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,620
They say, well, I don't eat meat.

772
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:17,500
I just eat chicken.

773
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,620
No, chickens are individuals and they are sentient

774
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:22,020
beings.

775
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,980
They're not vegetables nor are fish.

776
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:26,760
What's the future?

777
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,580
As we wrap up this incredible segment, I

778
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:31,160
really want to know, Ann, are you going

779
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,020
to do it again next year?

780
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:35,760
If you do, are you going to tweak

781
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,100
it?

782
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,780
What's it going to be like?

783
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,020
Because it was a hit.

784
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:41,860
There were about a hundred people there and

785
00:36:41,860 --> 00:36:44,280
everybody had the time of their lives.

786
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:47,860
The dress-up factor alone, the carriage, there

787
00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:49,360
was a carriage there.

788
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,700
The fact that it happened in historic Philadelphia,

789
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,880
the birthplace of our nation, this historic, beautiful

790
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,960
college, Walnut Hill College.

791
00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,060
I mean, look at this.

792
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:02,600
Everybody was just blown away by what you

793
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,060
accomplished here.

794
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:08,310
I thought it was a one-off event.

795
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:12,410
It wound up being an incredible experience for

796
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:14,790
not just the people attending, but those of

797
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:15,650
us putting it on.

798
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:20,030
And so I can't completely tell you what

799
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:21,850
we're planning for this year, but I can

800
00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:25,130
say that we would like to do something

801
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:28,050
that is another celebration.

802
00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:33,570
The city of Philadelphia is marking that it's

803
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:37,590
been 250 years since 1776, and there are

804
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:39,470
a lot of celebrations coming up.

805
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:41,510
So there's a really good chance that we're

806
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:44,010
going to do something amazing, and we'll be

807
00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:45,710
announcing that a little bit later this year.

808
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:48,410
Well, that's exciting.

809
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:51,030
Jane, I want to add something.

810
00:37:51,850 --> 00:37:54,750
You know, I want to thank you and

811
00:37:54,750 --> 00:37:58,430
Unchained TV, because, you know, when I was

812
00:37:58,430 --> 00:38:00,730
originally thinking of this event, I was thinking,

813
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:03,730
oh, this will be a media hit that,

814
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:07,110
you know, we had so much media attention

815
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:11,430
with Tofurky and still get it, you know,

816
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:13,490
and I was like, this is a twist

817
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:14,230
on Thanksgiving.

818
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:15,330
It's a great story.

819
00:38:15,330 --> 00:38:18,690
But you are the main person that saw

820
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:21,050
that, you know, and it really speaks to

821
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:24,350
the magic of you and Unchained TV and

822
00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:27,890
how you gave it the attention that the

823
00:38:27,890 --> 00:38:29,410
event really deserves.

824
00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:32,870
So I think that you were a shining

825
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:37,030
star in having the, giving it the attention

826
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:39,690
and the energy, and you brought the kind

827
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:41,670
of like the dress up and, you know,

828
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:46,530
the documentary and everything to the height that

829
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:46,970
it was.

830
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:50,970
So kudos to you, and kudos to the

831
00:38:50,970 --> 00:38:51,890
AVS.

832
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:53,850
You know, I think if you go to

833
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:56,730
Philadelphia, you got to go to the American

834
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:59,710
Vegan Center right there in Old City.

835
00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:01,710
And I want to give a shout out

836
00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:03,610
to my friend Vance, who is a member

837
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:07,330
of that, who gives vegan walking tours of

838
00:39:07,330 --> 00:39:09,230
Philadelphia, which is amazing.

839
00:39:09,230 --> 00:39:11,890
And it helps uncover this hidden history.

840
00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:13,910
And it's a fascinating tour.

841
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:17,970
And it goes through so many different parts

842
00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:20,230
of veganism and vegetarianism.

843
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:23,010
And he's just awesome, along with Anne and

844
00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:25,590
the team that she's created, you know, and

845
00:39:25,590 --> 00:39:27,870
having this, I think that's one of the

846
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:31,870
reasons why Philadelphia hasn't seen some of the

847
00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:36,110
fallout, you know, hitting these vegan restaurants that

848
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:39,810
are still going strong, you know, and you

849
00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:43,110
have people driving hours to eat at Miss

850
00:39:43,110 --> 00:39:45,810
Rachel's Pantry and stuff and veg and places

851
00:39:45,810 --> 00:39:46,470
like that.

852
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:49,050
It's because, you know, there's this brick and

853
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:52,790
mortar American Vegan Center that Anne and her

854
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:56,370
team run with Vance, and they're doing the

855
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:58,670
tours, and you can go there and you

856
00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:00,790
can find out where to eat, you know,

857
00:40:00,890 --> 00:40:02,350
and all these vegan and where you can

858
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:03,930
go to the nearest cheesesteak.

859
00:40:04,350 --> 00:40:08,990
I mean, Philadelphia is just an underrated vegan

860
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:09,930
world capital.

861
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,910
And I think a lot of the kudos

862
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:14,810
on that go to Anne and her team.

863
00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:17,290
Well, I want to say it's a team

864
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:17,790
effort.

865
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:19,510
And you've inspired me.

866
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:23,650
Actually, because we're working on this documentary, I

867
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:26,370
started thinking a lot about the importance of

868
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:26,890
history.

869
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:29,650
And I realized that right on my cell

870
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:33,870
phone, I had going back to 2015, a

871
00:40:33,870 --> 00:40:36,090
lot of historic moments in the animal rights

872
00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:36,470
movement.

873
00:40:36,830 --> 00:40:39,730
And I started putting them together as a

874
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:43,410
category on Unchained TV, for example, the world's

875
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:45,910
largest cube of truth in 2018 in San

876
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:48,450
Francisco, I had gone live, it was right

877
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:49,190
on my phone.

878
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:53,030
And so you've inspired me to explore more

879
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:53,730
of the history.

880
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:55,850
And then people began reaching out to me

881
00:40:55,850 --> 00:40:58,350
and saying, Hey, I've got something that belongs

882
00:40:58,350 --> 00:41:01,570
on the history of animal rights category.

883
00:41:02,030 --> 00:41:05,390
And so really what you've done, Anne and

884
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:09,690
Seth have sparked a whole renaissance of interest

885
00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:13,690
in the history of the plant based movement.

886
00:41:14,190 --> 00:41:16,010
And I have a feeling that you're just

887
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:16,790
getting started.

888
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:19,030
And I can't wait to see what you

889
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:19,570
do next.

890
00:41:19,570 --> 00:41:22,430
And also people are saying, why not California?

891
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:24,350
We have some comments.

892
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:27,490
Somebody wants to do this in California.

893
00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:29,450
So you might have to take your show

894
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:31,350
on the road and do it all over

895
00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:32,450
the United States.

896
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:36,510
Certainly, there's an interest.

897
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:38,690
I think people are really interested in this.

898
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:40,310
So I just want to say thank you

899
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:41,630
so very much.

900
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:43,290
You guys are my heroes.

901
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:49,310
You pulled off something extraordinary, unique, brilliant, and

902
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:51,070
very much needed.

903
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:57,650
The 1890s Vegan Thanksgiving Gala based on this

904
00:41:57,650 --> 00:42:02,310
menu from the 1900s Good Housekeeping magazine.

905
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:07,230
And it was reenacted and modernized as a

906
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:09,390
vegan Thanksgiving dish.

907
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:11,890
Absolutely incredible.

908
00:42:12,650 --> 00:42:15,970
And I just hope that we can do

909
00:42:15,970 --> 00:42:19,350
this again for Thanksgiving or some other holiday,

910
00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:22,470
especially as you mentioned, there are some major

911
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:24,990
milestones in the history of our country coming

912
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:25,230
up.

913
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:26,370
Thank you both.

914
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:31,810
And let's keep moving forward as we step

915
00:42:31,810 --> 00:42:32,650
back in time.

916
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:34,770
Thank you to both of you who made

917
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:35,390
this happen.

918
00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:37,710
So it's a vegan Netflix.

919
00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:39,890
Okay, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

920
00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,110
I love Unchained TV.

921
00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:41,990
Unchained.

922
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:43,150
Unchained TV.

923
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:44,130
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924
00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:45,290
It's just that easy.

925
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:48,130
Unchained TV has all sorts of content for

926
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:48,610
everybody.

927
00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:51,070
Unchained TV changed my life.

928
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:54,170
Unchained TV is crushing it.

929
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:55,850
I love Unchained TV.

930
00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:57,850
Unchained TV is my go-to.

931
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:58,950
Unchained TV.

932
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:59,950
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933
00:43:00,690 --> 00:43:02,590
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